lime oar
That’s so unbelievably troll
#pvp
orchid plinth
I got my warrior to 80 and they have like 4 buttons, feels so little compared to Sub rogue???
potent pivot
arms or something?
orchid plinth
Fury in this case
Btw when you get full honor gear do y'all just jump into Shuffle/Blitz? There isn't really much of a choice, no? Or is 2s quicker?
For getting Conquest that is
jaunty osprey
i try to get as much bloody token gear i can before i get into anything
then i just 2s before shuffle/blitz/3s
blitz hardly gives any conq
orchid plinth
Yeah I've managed to get 3 bloody token pieces but out of WQs for that now
Resetting tomorrow though!
potent pivot
make sure you do the Sparks weekly
and any WQs that reward 500 bloody tokens
you can also do any WQs in war mode for 100 tokens
jaunty osprey
also
if you're eating dinner at your desk and are just afking
afk outside somewhere so you can loot the war crates
if you're alliance
they give conq and tokens
jaunty osprey
holy shit
potent pivot
potent pivot
you gotta get insanely lucky with the shard you're on
it's wild
first shuffle back on rogue
i'm actually a lil rusty
jaunty osprey
dirty feral fotm reroller
rotting ur brain
that's what happens when u leave zuljin
jaunty osprey
i
think radiant is better if playing envenom
supercharger and going for a cheese
but at the same time, i kinda like depths cause it's an additional dot that can put people in range of sudden demise
if im off fucking around, ccing healer with garrotes and cheapshots
but honestly, if vs melee cleaves, you should prob use radiant
if you're multi dotting
radiant better in aoe
potent pivot
i just had a round where it didn't even proc lmao
potent pivot
but at the same time, i kinda like depths cause it's an additional dot that can ...
i don't think it does
potent pivot
ah
thought you meant like it contributing toward the proc
but yeah i just had
probably the easiest first match back ever
enh/fury/outlaw hpal/disc
jaunty osprey
i hate outlaws man
potent pivot
the amount of times i was able to vanish and dot all 3 was intense
jaunty osprey
when conq uncapped
im prob gonna have 2x diff wep with radiant
for melee cleaves
potent pivot
you still playing Forced>Tea?
jaunty osprey
yeah, idk i really tested it a bunch in duels
and my envenoms hit a lot less
with tea
but i think tea is better
potent pivot
maybe that's why mine seemed sorta piss
jaunty osprey
for overall gameplay
but with the amount of shuffles that ive won because of big envenom
i cant see myself switching off
potent pivot
i wonder if combo point damage modifies differently than mastery
jaunty osprey
like i really dont see situations where im in need of energy from tea
and then the extra mastery, is good for bleeds i guess, but im spamming envenoms
which does get buffed by mastery, but long ruptures and harder envenoms seem good to me
potent pivot
tea also benefits KB which should make it better but idk
jaunty osprey
i think in dampening with no trinkets up, forced just gives you a win condition
but im also playing DFA
every round
jaunty osprey
the amount of coils and kidneys that i dodge with DFA is insane
and bolts
i think veil of midnight is so bad if not vs feral or assa rogue
it's crazy to me that most people run it
to cloak disarm off
potent pivot
yeah i don't think it's worth unless vs a bleed spec
jaunty osprey
yeah no1 is playing forced except me
i dont think anyone's actually tried it
in a big enough sample
hidden moth
iforgot it lets u cloak disarms
jaunty osprey
in 3v3 and shuffles
potent pivot
there's 3-4 people playing it in 3s
hidden moth
but yeah i just run manuv if its vs 2 casters and depending on melee i slam a disarm on there gg
potent pivot
manuv is just so bad
hidden moth
yeah this is top 50 in 3v3
jaunty osprey
i dont see a situation where hitting 1.5m-2m envenoms every go is worse than an extra cp
hidden moth
what do we run vs 2 caster then
veil is useless dismantle doesnt do shit
system shock for more dam?
potent pivot
dfa
potent pivot
but there's 3 !!
jaunty osprey
TRU
jaunty osprey
what do we run vs 2 caster then
dfa is really good! acts like another shadowstep
hidden moth
maybe vs double caster u just run thick as theifs
jaunty osprey
yep
if you ever have all of those buttons back up in shuffle while it's dampening
you win
orchid plinth
DFA Deathcoil #neilyo
hidden moth
i hit 2400 in blitz but 3v3 is just a different beast im about 1900 mmr but havnt even done 50 games of 3v3
jaunty osprey
3s is a dead bracket
hidden moth
but mount
jaunty osprey
it's kinda a weird way to measure of proper skill nowadays cause you're comparing yourself to people who play with partners that they've played with for years
like the best 3v3 players are still the best players, but it's hard for other people to get up there
potent pivot
the way it's look right now barely anyone is going to get Glad
jaunty osprey
without playing with those players
potent pivot
the bracket is just too dead
jaunty osprey
ya
potent pivot
in DF s1 people would be getting close to 3k CR by now
and it's stagnant around 2600? or some shit
jaunty osprey
well
it's climbing
2750
it's just that
everyone is practicing for AWC
so no high mmr games are going on, teams keep hopping to diff chars
with lower mmr
or mixing up comps
orchid plinth
Man I gotta give Assa a try. Sub is very frustrating at times. Feels like I'm waddling around just to have teammates refresh stun DRs with a 0.75s Binding Shot or whatever.
jaunty osprey
i highly recommend outlaw and assa over sub
whenever i play sub, i want to rip my hair out when i see a binding shot
or shockwave
hidden moth
which is interesting bc i still see sub as the pvp
spec
or that s what most want. idk
potent pivot
a lot of people don't keep up with the 'meta'
hidden moth
thats fair
hidden moth
but in like 3v3 as assa aff
im just trying to dot everything and setup cc on the enemy healer for the lock to pump the dam yeah?
sap and fear dr no?
hidden moth
gotcha
hidden moth
ive been doing that
like step healer kidney dot em and as im walking away drop smokebomb on them so they have to waddle a bit to be able ot heal
that and i find i dr stun on the kill target to kidney them until 2nd go
with cheap shot opener
orchid plinth
So converting to Assa gear my first thing would be to get Tier Helm and Chest? Perhaps Proc trinket as well?
might be a bit high on Mastery since I use mostly crafted pieces for Sub right now but it's not game breaking
jaunty osprey
Tier shoulders and legs!
orchid plinth
I have those for sub, but looking at 4piece
jaunty osprey
Oooo yeah
Head and chest 🙂
proc trinket or badge both work
badge you can line up with kingsbane if talented
Proc trinket better for bonespike builds
hidden moth
@jaunty osprey https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Schtabbytime rate the gear
im gonna get 3 star wep enchants once i craft the 639 ones in 2 weeks
ill prob snag the high vers low mast gloves to make up for losing vers on the crafted daggers.
zealous sand
Give glad in soloshuffle
potent pivot
Give glad in soloshuffle
Don’t think that’s ever gonna happen tbh
Though I do think they need to add mounts for every bracket
thorny gate
im honestly shocked it hasnt happened yet, i wonder if league of legends releases their clash numbers (which is 5 man coordinated, vs solo q, i bet solo shuffle/blitz is dwarfing 3v3 participation too
hidden moth
prob
why find a group when u can just solo que
dont need ot find good teammates if everyone is always bad
thorny gate
you also avoid the whole, queue in lfg for x hours to play 3 games and someone quit
i think they also really hurt lfg when they added the feature where u have to link mobile security to your account to edit your lfg title/description
potent pivot
well from what i understand 5 man premades are the most cometitive bracket in league as well
ofc solo q has more participation, but the premades are where the high skill games are
thorny gate
they are the most competative, but almost noone plays it
well tbh, solo q is still very competative its not like people dont put thousands of games in
potent pivot
i think the only thing wow needs to do
thorny gate
its just a different kind of skill
potent pivot
is adopt a league style ranking
thorny gate
i wana see them try a battle pass type system for a season, where u can earn like old pvp season transmogs by playing x games above 1800, or old mounts with x games above 2400 , old enchant mogs with x games above 2100 , would improve participationa lot
just open it up to shadowlands and dragonflight mogs for the trial season, if it works open it up to older seasons
thorny gate
imo you cant listen to people who are anti fun gatekeeprs
thats why 3v3 died
keep r1 and titles unobtainable outside of that season gg
are there any good gearing links btw, thinking of trying assassin for fun, got like 4k conquest saved up in healer q tokens
thorny gate
was hoping for a set template, murlok i feel just somtimes has assassin people in their sub gear and vice versa
looking at top assassin rogue in blitz atm and its showing him with 3 set
potent pivot
you just look at what most people are using
thorny gate
guess so, is rogue same as warriors where elemental focus is the go to, just alot of ppl have authority cus they played first week before free weps quest changed
thorny gate
nicu thx
tepid peak
yo guys, most playeble 2 builds for assa atm is the doomblade + spikes vs MA + kingsbane?
and the difference between them is more tunnel dot damage vs some sort of burst?
potent pivot
you prolly want to play the build in the pins for 2s
tepid peak
this one?
potent pivot
ye
potent pivot
it's optional, but cheat is better in most cases
tepid peak
tnx
potent pivot
Should I not spec into it?
depends on the rest of your build
outer briar
potent pivot
if you spec supercharger you should take KB as well
if you're not going to run cold blood with KB or supercharger with KB then don't run KB
slender bay
Im using cold Blood with kingsbane and i enjoy It, but i dont know if its optimal tbh
radiant glen
its so over
tepid peak
if you're not going to run cold blood with KB or supercharger with KB then don't...
what is the main idea behind picking kingsbane
potent pivot
damage
potent pivot
Im using cold Blood with kingsbane and i enjoy It, but i dont know if its optima...
i think charger+kb is better tbh
tepid peak
its like you wanna more burst - u take kingsbane
or u wanna more sustain damage and u go for some other
?
potent pivot
kinda
lone goblet
I saw some people on murlokio are running tricks of the trade with the pvp talent. What are your thoughts on that?
potent pivot
would only recommend it for 3v3 or double dps 2v2
slender bay
i think charger+kb is better tbh
I have to try, also for the extra 1% healing talent, Idk if u feel that healing or its justo garbage
potent pivot
i don't think you can rely on your team mates to do damage in solo q until you get to pretty high rating
potent pivot
I have to try, also for the extra 1% healing talent, Idk if u feel that healing ...
idk if that shit even works lol but nah just for supercharger
can also drop tea for forced induction
slender bay
Lol
tepid peak
@potent pivotbtw do u ever tried coin assa?
potent pivot
recuperator was bugged for a long time and never worked, dunno if they ever fixed
yes i've tried it a lot and it's pretty bad
slender bay
can also drop tea for forced induction
Uf difficult choice, Im using tea a lot
potent pivot
forced induction envenoms slam
outer briar
Two questions. When coming out of stealth, is there a scenario where you use mut > ambush? Second, am I trying to keep crimson up as a bleed?
hidden moth
Two questions. When coming out of stealth, is there a scenario where you use mut...
2+ targets crimson
and no
lol
mut is trash compared to vanish
potent pivot
mut can give more combo points
you should probably just use ambush during subterfuge to make sure you get your deathstalker's mark up
outer briar
Yea that makes sense
tepid peak
assa dk heal viable comp?
safe pelican
UDK could act like a great value aff lock , no ? 😂
potent pivot
to get to like 2100 prob
safe pelican
Aff lock would be best
tepid peak
mb after some games my friend start gearing up lock 😄
thorny gate
ive played against some decent frost dk at 2100
just focus on making enemy healer miserable
tepid peak
for some reason after seasons on wlock he want to play some dk stuff
safe pelican
Go to sleep brother @potent pivot 😂
thorny gate
it gets boring being the train target constantly as lock
potent pivot
Go to sleep brother <@629463378250956810> 😂
hidden moth
mut can give more combo points
sure but thats 2-4 vs 3 guaruntee
which my crit is low in pvp since its all vers mast
so 9/10 times mut is 2 cp
also is it me or is fok giving random cp
potent pivot
you've got MA running anytime you'd be able to press ambush
fok gives cp based on crits
hidden moth
like it feels when i fok on 3 targets i get 1 cp
potent pivot
fok gives cp based on crits
it's only guaranteed to give you 1 cp
awards 1 cp
hidden moth
ah i see
blissful peak
sometimes i notice i have supercharged combo points without popping symbols but i have no idea where they are coming from
i am probably an idiot but i cant find the talent
orchid plinth
Haha I love Sub!
potent pivot
shush
orchid plinth
Huh
potent pivot
shhh
orchid plinth
potent pivot
Haha I love Sub!
hasty sinew
it never occurred to me to pop sod to get some supercharged points ready for my first opener while in the waiting area of a battleground.
potent pivot
abusing bugs is bad mk
hasty sinew
i dont think popping talents at start of BG is considered abuse.
i guess it depends on if it only works if you have combo points which i dont think you can build up without a target
potent pivot
i dont think popping talents at start of BG is considered abuse.
it 100% is
hasty sinew
Not sure im following that. I accidentally pop shadow dance and trinkets all the time while waiting for the BG countdown...
i can smash face on my keyboard or drop my mug on it and trigger SOD by accident..
orchid plinth
potent pivot
yes but the combo points sticking at the start of the match is 100% a bug
they are supposed to be cleared like every other buff you "accidentally" press in the starting area
hasty sinew
so when people buff others in the starting area, this should be cleared ?
or for example healers buff themselves ? why is this any different? also, has it been confirmed as a bug ?
I wonder what happens if you pop cold blood.... does this get cleared on start ?
hasty sinew
whats the difference between popping cold blood vs sod for an offensive buff ?
your argument suggests it should be consistent and the buff removed on start
orchid plinth
The problem is that its not even a buff
It just exists
So optimal gameplay for Sub rogues is now to never press the ready lever
hasty sinew
Still, very uninteresting discussion
I guess, when its not going in your favour.
potent pivot
your argument suggests it should be consistent and the buff removed on start
CB doesn't go on CD until it's used so i don't see how it's the same at all
orchid plinth
Yes you are clearly "winning"! 
potent pivot
imo anyone that abuses any kind of advantage in a rated setting deserves to be barred from participating in rated content
hasty sinew
Don't disagree, which is why i was focusing on the BG side of things, rather than arena.
For example, topping up SC at start of a flag match and still having full stacks of SOD by the time the EFC reaches you.
potent pivot
yeah i think the combo points should have durations
makes zero sense for them to be permanent
hasty sinew
you may be right, but im still curious. Might have a play around this later. Like i said, may not even be possible if SC requires a target to actually build ontop of existing combo points. Not something i've paid attention to.
thorny gate
everything gets removed other than the very few basic class buffs like stamina, pala buffs ect
otherwise you would get silly stuff like paladins spam healing with unlimited mana to build a massive starting shield
near echo
any good 2v2 assa guides?
potent pivot
any good 2v2 assa guides?
not really
i'd strongly recommend playing with a healer if you can
there's a good all around build in the pins
murlok.io can also be a decent source for information on gear/enchants/builds, etcetc
hidden dome
Man I hate the first few blitz games on a new alt
People having 20% winrates, being new to PvP or leaving right at the start combined with a 20+ minute queue
once you won a few games it gets chill. But the first few games are just chaos
I rather play 2.3 lobbies all day than a single low rated game with new players and 20% winrate boys
proven field
You need to just win the first 7-8 and skip it all - my rogue is the first one who got caught up and now I am stuck in this 1600 nightmare
proven field
I imagine there is probably a break-point where if you dont hit 1600 in the first... 10-12 and start losing a few, it'll quickly become faster to just play another rogue than try to push the current one
near echo
can kingsbane be dispelled?
hidden moth
Hunter
Beast Mastery
Dark Ranger: Black Arrow damage decreased by 15% in PvP combat.
Dark Ranger: Hunter’s Prey now increases the damage of Kill Shot by 5% per stack in PvP combat (was 10%).
These have been performance outliers recently.
ik this happened yesterday but pog
hidden moth
can kingsbane be dispelled?
not by a normal dispell but can be removed with big cloak bop bubble block etc
hidden moth
I imagine there is probably a break-point where if you dont hit 1600 in the firs...
uh prob not
ive seen people do 30 games for placements'
i went 15-2 when i first started on my rogue and was in 1400 mmr matches till the 20th game which was 2k mmr
fallen scaffold
ik this happened yesterday but pog
when was this live?
because i was playing bm all day yesterday and i got to 2.2k after digning 80
shits op AF
fallen scaffold
do u know what time
proven field
uh prob not
Maybe it's 15 games etc - but my first few chars I had a solid positive win-rate (65-70%) right thru 1600 no problem and kept easily climbing to about that (then it's small gains for wins - like 15-20pts). This char took a monstrous loss-run last night after 1500 and now I have won a few at 1400 and getting zero for each win. The MMR of this char is completely cooked so it will likely be stuck here forever unless I do an amazing 6-10 game win streak which given the avg player-base will be impossible. So there is likely a break-point where it's faster to just.. build an alt and start over
safe pelican
lol why we still talking about this 🫠😑
hidden moth
ur gonna lose bc bad team mates but '
not to be rude bro
u just gotta git gud
u get out of elo hell by carrying ur team
u will have days where ur 10-2 w-l others where u are 4-12
just gotta keep queing
proven field
agreed 100% - that's way harder as an outlaw rogue than as say a Devo or Afflock, Arms, Healer etc - maybe that's where I am stuck; it's way harder to be effective as rogue to the point where you swing
Devo I could just cleave faces all day; do 250M dmg and carry teamfights to glory forever - maybe I just suck at Outlaw lol
hidden moth
agreed 100% - that's way harder as an outlaw rogue than as say a Devo or Afflock...
arms is trash in blitz comparitivelt
rn in blitz rogue all 3 specs and feral is god tier the rest is s and lower
just gotta play ur rogue as a rogue ninja bases defend bases
proven field
I'm workin on it; and I hear you - I would be saying the same thing to myself, there's just this weird black hole of ability I have heard about but not seen before on other chars I've pushed with - 4 of my losses last night someone just left after opening fight for example - never seen that in previous pushes. Healer AFK in 2 of them, etc. Just bad luck I guess but it's starting to feel like punishment. Anyways enough of my pains; going to hop into Shuffle and then I can safely say I suck as a pirate or am actually ok. Appreciate it
waxen meteor
I'm workin on it; and I hear you - I would be saying the same thing to myself, t...
in a way blitz is too many people for mmr
16 people in one game, lots of weird things could happen
spring bough
Blitz is just a cluster fk. Do what you can and just pay attention to base cap timers or where EFC is at
hidden moth
wrong channel
spring bough
I went like 20-25 over the last week and lost 0 rating on 18 or so of those losses and probably net gained 150+ rating
So yeah blitz is weird lol
spring bough
Feels like if you knew the formula for blitz rating/MMR and knew all the inputs…. The output would be different every single time 😂
safe pelican
Also making a new alt to push and gear it back to full purple and spending all that gold on enchants is insane to me just gotta get to god tier carry status or get lucky and push straight through one run
spring bough
Also making a new alt to push and gear it back to full purple and spending all t...
Took me one night and one wow token to do that for my alt rogue lol
cyan gate
Wow token is a requirement it’s insane
safe pelican
Full purple gear with conquest and crafted took you one night in alt with all greens is cap af
And a wow token is astronomical
You already set the cap at $20
spring bough
Full purple gear with conquest and crafted took you one night in alt with all gr...
It literally took one night lol. Started at like 4-5pm and was done by 12-1am
safe pelican
That’s all day Sinnen foh 😂
spring bough
Hit duelist and all too 😂
safe pelican
Maybe running 2s and winning 70% or better yea i could see it but that’s still all day and $20 that’s bs to refresh your blitz MMR curse
cyan gate
I’m struggling at 1600 on sub I’ve been 2.1 before am I a done dad
spring bough
I’m struggling at 1600 on sub I’ve been 2.1 before am I a done dad
Took me like 10 solo shuffle ques to get 1800 on my sin. Probably have done 20 on my sub and I’m not even there yet 😂
cyan gate
It’s a reroll angle
safe pelican
Took me one night and one wow token to do that for my alt rogue lol
I’m not against that but I think for the ones that struggling pushing out of the shit litter like me , embrace the suck and get god tier now against the bots and earn your right to play the higher lobbies
proven field
Ok I know I have been complaining about my BGB run; but cut me some slack here - just played an AB and....
spring bough
How’s that a draw lol
proven field
Honestly did I run over an old gypsy woman and get cursed, what is happening
stoic spruce
Been helping my friends level by playing epics
I'm so OP
I have no trinket but there's nothing I can't kill.
vocal ginkgo
Fellow sin enjoyers, what’s our opener/burst rotation looking like right now?
Slowly coming back to my rogue
Ty all
proven field
Interesting - top 50 Outlaw in Blitz almost exclusively went with both crit/vers 1Hs, but top 50 in 3v3 are almost exclusively haste MH weapon
potent pivot
Fellow sin enjoyers, what’s our opener/burst rotation looking like right now?
S...
It hasn’t really changed in the past year
potent pivot
Interesting - top 50 Outlaw in Blitz almost exclusively went with both crit/vers...
This is called “it doesn’t matter”
As long as you get the proper amount of haste, what items it’s on doesn’t make any difference
proven field
how much should I aim for - 10%?
potent pivot
10% minimum when scaled up for pvp combat
safe pelican
15% is for real button smashing pirates 🏴☠️
proven field
Do I give up the Trickster dream? Seems no one actually stays with it even though it's fun
pastel burrow
if you're enjoying it, don't stop playing it
jaunty osprey
Fatebound just works so well for Outlaw when you get BTE procs
spring bough
Do I give up the Trickster dream? Seems no one actually stays with it even thoug...
I still play trickster 7/10 times. But I don’t on temple anymore or a couple other base maps cause the four hooks are just OP
You can be in the middle on temple. Kill an EFC. And four grip to the orb they dropped in like less than 5 seconds
proven field
That's a very good point - I miss my 4xhook movement
severe helm
rn in blitz rogue all 3 specs and feral is god tier the rest is s and lower
outlaw def isnt god tier in blitz
gotta pray you dont get a flag map
its definitely the worst of the 3 rogue specs once you get to a rating where people know to stop the fast caps
potent pivot
it's still really good
jaunty osprey
I know @tawny kestrel said he had to stop playing Outlaw on his rogue at high mmr so he doesn’t grief his team
potent pivot
there's a few outlaw's in the top 50
definitely not as much as sub/sin but there's less outlaw across the board
fallen scaffold
outlaw kinda just.... sucks right now
vocal surge
^
fallen scaffold
idk i guess i need to hit 2.6k or something
ive yet to see a single one tyhis season that didnt tickle me. like barely a threat and im at 2.3
ss that is, not blitz
potent pivot
it's not easy to play well
fallen scaffold
i wish it was tuned higher
potent pivot
but it's arguably the best spec for 3s rn
fallen scaffold
i like when outlaws meta
severe helm
but it's arguably the best spec for 3s rn
yeah its for sure insane in 3s
but duel is comically broken in bgb
so sub has a huge advantage there
and in team fight assa does way way way more damage
or on flag maps
potent pivot
ye
severe helm
I would put outlaw at like B tier at most in bgb
potent pivot
being able to zip around any base map comes in handy
severe helm
Yeah I think outlaws best maps are arathi/deepwind
but on a flag map outlaw is like D tier lol
potent pivot
personally idts but that's me
severe helm
I mean what does it do
on a flag map it cant really play O that well cuz it doesnt have any relevant burst
severe helm
trickster is worse in every way imo
it does less ST and less burst
KS hits harder as fatebound lol
severe helm
yeah coin flip just does so much damage
trickster has 5% damage from fazed
and a slightly bigger dispatch
thats it...
idk trickster feels reaaaaally weak
vocal surge
Unseen Blade hits far harder than a coin
severe helm
thats a lot shorter than 20 seconds lol
when im getting bte resets
and spamming coins
idk Ive tried trickster and its pretty pathetic how little dam it does
vocal surge
I find Fatebound weaker than Trickster
even if Fatebound cleaved me on a clothie target, I out DPS them as Trickster
worthy crag
rain stump
vocal surge
^
severe helm
🦦#SaveBGB
I did the math on how long itll take me once I was out of placements to catch up to my MMR at 24 points per win and 15 min queue(which is lower than average) it would still take almost 17 hours of JUST SITTING IN QUEUE
and that was IF I won EVERY SINGLE GAME
like how is that real
vocal surge
That is not ok lol
severe helm
no other bracket works that way either
all the other ones you gain more the further your mmr is away from cr
some people have said they did this to prevent boosting but I think thats BS
safe pelican
I did the math on how long itll take me once I was out of placements to catch up...
This, see i was ranting about this in the chat the other day but no one saw the bigger issue
safe pelican
The issue was that you will theoretically NEVER leave that bracket once you’re stuck which is shit
severe helm
I think MMR moves too quickly in blitz and cr moves too slowly
severe helm
The issue was that you will theoretically NEVER leave that bracket once you’re s...
wait wym
safe pelican
🦦#SaveBGB
Refer to this the bottom portion about that he said about 20 min queues 19-20 rating
severe helm
Yeah its slow but you will eveeeeentually get to your mmr
its just unecessarily slow
safe pelican
I think MMR moves too quickly in blitz and cr moves too slowly
I mean basically this is it because your MMR goes up you still get classed with shitty CR players therefore making you lose the MMR you just gained
vocal surge
^
safe pelican
So why do we play games with players at 398 MMR just starting out then players at 1600 will
Be in the same game ?
safe pelican
But I do wym there’s people with triple digit MMRs, in my games all the time
You’re out of the shit litter bracket
This is like a 1600 and below issue
severe helm
only time they would place you close is if they are in placements but theyre duoing with someone high mmr
duoing fucks the system up a bit
cuz you can have a 1600 mmr person duo with a 3200 mmr person
safe pelican
Wack so basically a healer can carrry you through
severe helm
no the opposite
safe pelican
Say less 🦦😈
severe helm
they lean towards the low mmr person
so that you cant boost someone into high mmr lobbies
vocal surge
^
severe helm
cuz if they did it the other way then you could inject mmr into your lower mmr friends
which would be way too op
If I queued with someone 1600mmr and it put them at MY mmr then they would gain like 300 mmr for a win
which would be so broken
instead they put me at 1600 mmr
and I risk LOSING 300 mmr for a loss
it decentivizes boosting in a sense
severe helm
I mean yeah duoing honestly is bad for the bracket
ive only been soloing and its such a huge huge disadvantage
vocal surge
The disappointing thing about getting stuck in the 1600 bracket
for a high rated player
is the lack of challenge in fights
severe helm
Sounds like youll be out of that bracket in no time then haha
vocal surge
Yeee
hidden moth
its definitely the worst of the 3 rogue specs once you get to a rating where peo...
i mean, even then its still great for base maps
vocal surge
Just sit there defending a flag
and 2 people will come up and try t o take it
both die within 20s of appearing
hidden moth
being rushed by 4 noobs xD
wide junco
Hi probably dumb question but do we get 4p as assa? i see a mix of both on top 50
potent pivot
Hi probably dumb question but do we get 4p as assa? i see a mix of both on top 5...
Ye
hidden moth
i mean 4 set does increase all our damage by 5% <wink>
safe pelican
Just sit there defending a flag
Ima try that today tell my team i can hold the base myself lol
As much as i hate the blitz MMR situation Fb outlaw makes it worth while 🏴☠️🦦
jaunty osprey
check gear on murlok.io
Check talents on murlok too 🤠
severe helm
Ima try that today tell my team i can hold the base myself lol
Yeah I mean you only need to babysit flag on eots and gilneas
the other ones lock in so you can do a lot in that time
hidden moth
i also just sit bases in that one map
uhhhh mop arathi basin
maps too big to do a meaning ful rotate unless osomeone is gonna insta cap ur base
potent pivot
Check talents on murlok too 🤠
unreliable 🤡
hidden moth
spring bough
If any of you know Dean the warlock tell him I’m out for his soul
severe helm
whatd he do to you
cursive cosmos
otherwise this wouldnt be possible
lmao 24 for a win
severe helm
lmao 24 for a win
how dumb is that
cursive cosmos
Gonna have to play all month to get to 3k cr
severe helm
literally
cursive cosmos
😭
severe helm
thankfully the outlaw cutoff is like 2600
cursive cosmos
You can do eeettttt!!
severe helm
the mental damage of this bracket is the only thing that might stop me
but I want dat title
spring bough
whatd he do to you
Told me I was a useless human being. So I told him to shut the fk up. And now I’m suspended lmao
potent pivot
again???????????????
spring bough
So I guess mature language is suspendable lmao
Even tho they have a language filter
I hate this game
severe helm
Told me I was a useless human being. So I told him to shut the fk up. And now I’...
HAHA ill pass this along to him
but thas on you
spring bough
Nah this games soft lmao
severe helm
you gotta learn to throw shade without using banned words
indigo hill
spring bough
What’s the point of a language filter if cursing is bannable lol
severe helm
"im sorry youre upset about losing your cr in a game that is barely competitive. Your precious ego is so fragile, I will do better next time to be more gentle"
then he swears at you
and he gets banned
potent pivot
i think even saying "you suck" will get you hit
severe helm
gotta play the system
spring bough
“Idiot” was the last one that got me
spring bough
So I can add “shut the fk up” to the list
potent pivot
"im sorry youre upset about losing your cr in a game that is barely competitive....
im sorry youre upset about losing your cr in a game that is barely competitive. Your precious ego is so fragile, I will do better next time to be more gentle
add it to the clipboard Sinnen
severe helm
hahahaha
spring bough
Zeiss told me to use this one
“Wow, such a bold comment! It’s always impressive when someone puts so much effort into saying absolutely nothing. Thanks for the entertainment—please, do continue!”
potent pivot
you guys ever seen the WA for talking in shuffle?
spring bough
Nope
severe helm
you guys ever seen the WA for talking in shuffle?
LOL yes
its so good
it makes eveyrthing come out in UwU speak
10/10
spring bough
Is that the Chinese fortune shit?
severe helm
like you try to type "you fucking suck so much holy shit quit the game"
spring bough
Yeah so I tried playing disabled chat in blitz Sunday morning and lost 5 straight. Turned chat back on won 3 straight. So def can’t turn it off lol
severe helm
oh the uwu filter one is hilarious
potent pivot
ye the uwu filter is for anywhere
severe helm
spring bough
Looks pretty nice not gonna lie. They got one for blitz? Lol
long shore
do you guys play shadowcraft as Sub? i cant seem to find good value from it
rather have 2/2 in the 3 charges of symbols
potent pivot
it's similar to macroing words to your spells
to try and make it more apparent what you're doing in a shuffle
potent pivot
do you guys play shadowcraft as Sub? i cant seem to find good value from it
yeah shadowcraft is very good
jaunty osprey
“hello team, I am W keying on the warlock, glhf”
spring bough
like you try to type "you fucking suck so much holy shit quit the game"
What does the uwu turn this into I gotta know lol
long shore
yeah shadowcraft is very good
do you have a bg build to share no trickz?
jaunty osprey
Uwu fucking suck
spring bough
Wish I could argue free speech for this game but that’s a moot point lmao
potent pivot
do you have a bg build to share no trickz?
i would mostly just copy from murlok, but i think flag+shadowcraft are really good
the 3rd symbols might be better for blitz, idk
long shore
i would mostly just copy from murlok, but i think flag+shadowcraft are really go...
So most rogues take 2 charge symbols?
long shore
I'm debating dropping shadowcraft for 3 charge symbols
hidden moth
yeah i hit 2400 in blitz and said fuck this playlist lol
hidden moth
even thouhg at the time i was just short of top 50 blitz and was ttempted to push just to see my name on murlok io
potent pivot
shadowcraft is too good to pass up in arena because you're constantly fighting pretty much
spring bough
I’ve refreshed the outlaw leaderboards every few hours like a psycho since yesterday lol
Hopefully I can stay top ten till next Thursday 😭
gleaming pawn
Feels kinda silly when the ping system exists and is easier and keybind-able already
spring bough
The top 5 guys didn’t change 1 point in their rating since last week so I think I’ll be okay to catch back up next week
potent pivot
Feels kinda silly when the ping system exists and is easier and keybind-able alr...
it was made before the ping system was added i'm pretty sure
and pings can kinda leave things open to interpretation
stoic spruce
Scalp is dry and itchy and I blame crackshot
potent pivot
it's usually perceived as just "attack this" or "go here"
gleaming pawn
There’s other pings though, like attack this target, assist this target etc. not just a “hey listen”
spring bough
The pings are pretty nice for the attack this target. Just gotta find a good keybind for them lol
potent pivot
extra keybinds
long shore
shadowcraft is too good to pass up in arena because you're constantly fighting p...
Makes sense. In Bgs I like the long shadow dance talent. Since there is alot of time just out of combat running around to ninja
So normally I try 3 charge symbols and long dance for BGs at least
hidden moth
goes hard or nah
grizzled basin
why are there more and more top assassination rogues running fatebound latetly in SS ? which lobby drives that ?
severe helm
What does the uwu turn this into I gotta know lol
leme check
stoic spruce
My favorite is "degenerates like you belong on the cross"
severe helm
What does the uwu turn this into I gotta know lol
spring bough
Yeah that def still getting someone suspended. Ima go the route of the super passive aggressive Chinese proverbs 😂
potent pivot
why are there more and more top assassination rogues running fatebound latetly i...
Some people log out in diff builds. they may not have been running fatebound in shuffle.
Maybe they logged out after doing pve
Maybe they intentionally swapped their talents to hide their build and troll the websites
spring bough
Yeah the rogue secrets aren’t getting leaked to murlok 😂
stoic spruce
classic
severe helm
Maybe they logged out after doing pve
fatebound is worse in pve in all content lol
for assa
it is "easier" in pve but much worse so maybe theyre running it just for some casual raid or something
severe helm
ah maybe it changed with ther ecent supercharger stuff
potent pivot
obviously it prolly varies depending on gear
ye i think charger set it over the edge in pure ST
potent pivot
i skim the spec channels sometimes 
severe helm
but probably easier than deathstalker
severe helm
I want to adjust the sim to account for the pvp nerfs to outlaw so I can figure out what build might be slightly better
potent pivot
unfortunately it just wouldn't translate into anything meaningful
severe helm
how much is the bte nerf in pvp? And crit is nerfed from 200% to 150% right?
potent pivot
trust me i've tried
severe helm
unfortunately it just wouldn't translate into anything meaningful
its informative for me still
I'd like to know what changes in the rotation
potent pivot
it's just not possible to get a correct pvp rotation out of a sim
winter seal
You don't play supercharger in fatebound pve just fyi
severe helm
it's just not possible to get a correct pvp rotation out of a sim
yeah but its useful still haha
potent pivot
You don't play supercharger in fatebound pve just fyi
oh word
severe helm
You don't play supercharger in fatebound pve just fyi
yeah but you used to play ER
which is why I think SC existing changed things
winter seal
No you always played cold blood
severe helm
you def played ER in the m+ build
potent pivot
how much is the bte nerf in pvp? And crit is nerfed from 200% to 150% right?
base crit is 150% damage in pvp ye
severe helm
actually
looks like rankings in raid ST are still all deathstalker
for assa
fatebound must just be sim bait
no one plays that shit lol
potent pivot
idk if bte is nerfed in pvp at all anymore
sim bait is a phrase thrown around way too often
severe helm
asking the assa channel about fatebound vs deathstalker
potent pivot
improved bte is nerfed to .75 in pvp
severe helm
damn
potent pivot
base bte is untouched
severe helm
what does that mean
winter seal
fatebound must just be sim bait
It’s just gear dependent and also if you have more than 1 target at all then deathstalker is just better
severe helm
imp bte
severe helm
It’s just gear dependent and also if you have more than 1 target at all then dea...
yeah but im looking at logs for sikran and kyveza
those have no other mobs
tribal badger
well improved BtE replaced a core function of BtE that was why BtE was nerfed years ago no?
potent pivot
severe helm
and still 100% of players are deathstalker
severe helm
ooooooooh
tribal badger
yea
severe helm
so bte crits are double nerfed?
tribal badger
bte used to be nerfed in pvp because that didnt used to be a talent
winter seal
It’s also gear dependant and a lot of people don’t want switch for 2% dps
tribal badger
that was a baseline functionality of Bte
they split it off into a talent in DF and pvp nerfed the talent instead
severe helm
so sounds like fatebound is just worse haha
vocal surge
how much is the bte nerf in pvp? And crit is nerfed from 200% to 150% right?
Crit Damage nerfed by 50% as well as the Improved Between the Eyes
severe helm
Crit Damage nerfed by 50% as well as the Improved Between the Eyes
well theyre saying imp bte isnt actually nerfed anymore
cuz it doesnt exist
vocal surge
Really?
severe helm
I wouldnt be surprised if blizz fucked that up though
safe pelican
Otw home you degenerates time to complain about blitz all night 😌🎬
winter seal
Not if you gear specifically for it
severe helm
Not if you gear specifically for it
yeah looks like 0% of people do that though haha
tribal badger
at least it would be hard for me to believe its not
in PvE content my top end BtEs usually end up around 2.1m
in pvp i barely ever break 1m with a BtE crit
vocal surge
is that for 11.0.7?
tribal badger
only trickster
tribal badger
bte is definitly still nerfed
winter seal
Because it’s just easier to carry one set of gear and sim for one hero talent and play one hero talent. Doesn’t mean it’s strictly worse
potent pivot
cuz it doesnt exist
huh
severe helm
I thought you were saying imp bte isn't a talent anymore it's just part of the ability
potent pivot
naw
severe helm
Wait so is it double nerfed?
severe helm
Lol
potent pivot
he was saying bte used to be just a base ability with no 'imp bte' talent
tribal badger
in DF they took that away and added imp bte as a talent
so the pvp nerf went to the talent instead
vocal surge
Improved BTE was baked into your kit back in SL
and they took it out to become a talent in DF
severe helm
Yeah if imp bte is nerfed in pvp AND crits are nerfed in pvp then it's double nerfed right?
tribal badger
i dont think so because imp bte is its own modifier on crits but im not 100% on that id need to do math
vocal surge
Ye
tribal badger
if that is the case, its been that way basically always so
vocal surge
Instead of doing x4 damage w. crit
tribal badger
ever since the crit damage nerf
vocal surge
its x3 with both modifiers
severe helm
I'll check my logs from blitz
vocal surge
400% --> 300% (150% + 150%)
tribal badger
i believe BtEs crit damage modifier overrides the base crit damage tho
vocal surge
i believe BtEs crit damage modifier overrides the base crit damage tho
on wowhead, it adds +200% crit damage (no PvP multipliers factored in yet)
grizzled basin
Some people log out in diff builds. they may not have been running fatebound in ...
Haha gullible me 😬
Thanks
severe helm
Yeah looks like fatebound is not a thing in pve either according to the assa channel
So not sure why they're playing assa on murlok maybe just to troll like trickz said
Maybe for the mobility?
Idk
potent pivot
'not a thing in pve'
jaunty osprey
Maybe they intentionally swapped their talents to hide their build and troll the...
That’s fucked up, idk why people would do this
potent pivot
it actually does look like more people are playing it than before
but idk what troll shit they're doing
potent pivot
maybe they logged in 2s spec
because like 7 of them don't have CT+IC talented
which is troll af
stoic spruce
They all got together and said "let's put up a troll build so the 13 people that use murlok get confused"
jaunty osprey
And then Jw/Sereba/Sinepy doesn’t play Deathstalker ever because he hates dotting and aoeing
candid tide
deathstalker ez just do big burst when no finality evi up
jaunty osprey
And then I have 2 rogues logged out in it as a troll
potent pivot
They all got together and said "let's put up a troll build so the 13 people that...
yes, they did
THEY
potent pivot
i can't believe he plays this deranged build
stoic spruce
You have to be deranged to even queue this garbage game
stoic spruce
I could never be top 10 outlaw player. My mog game is too strong.
Gotta have shitty fashion to be the best
jaunty osprey
interesting
cause wtf is that 1% speed gonna do for you
realistically speaking
more often than not you’re actually able to get a restealth and fuck off for a bit
jaunty osprey
I do like that people are finally playing symbolic over lingering
And realizing that lingering gets 0 value
Even with just deeper strat and tea, envenoms still hit pretty hard
spring bough
I could never be top 10 outlaw player. My mog game is too strong.
Tier 3 >>>> top mog in the game
That or tier 2.5
candid tide
need to find pieces to make shockblade zed
spring bough
Blizz best hits came 20 years ago lmao
spring bough
The bfa leather sets clears by a mile
The PvP ones? Ehhhhh lol
spring bough
I like the mythic raid set with the skulls that ones cool
What’s the rogues best full set pvp mog of all time tho
spring bough
Yeah PvP
jaunty osprey
I like the mythic raid set with the skulls that ones cool
Ya I loved that one too
candid tide
every awc r1 runs those claws back from shadowlands
spring bough
Should I?
What one is it
My favorite pvp one has to be Wrathful even tho I never mog it lol
jaunty osprey
Ive been farming Xavius shoulders for months to use with the Venthyr blades cloak mog
severe helm
looks like fatebound is meta for blitz
prob just cuz dealing with the mark can int
and the mobility is really high value
for assa
potent pivot
pvp recipes don't sell at all anymore eh
safe pelican
I miss DF sub rogue 🥺😞, nothing like sapping the healer and killing a dps in a duel window 
Got me out here getting cooked in blitz on Outlaw smh , well played Blizzard … well played.
Time for the queues after this 🚿
sleek badger
Outlaw feels kind of nice imo. It’s a night n days difference for skill cap compared to the other specs
viscid hornet
Hi guys, does someone know the Shadowmeld macro? The one that makes you stop and then use the spell if not already in stealth
stoic spruce
I miss DF sub rogue 🥺😞, nothing like sapping the healer and killing a dps in a...
I miss SL outlaw but we can't always get what we want
jaunty osprey
Hi guys, does someone know the Shadowmeld macro? The one that makes you stop and...
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast [nostealth] Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
something like this should work
potent pivot
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```Noice!
viscid hornet
```#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```
What does this one do exacly differently?
potent pivot
it doesn't have the nostealth on it
iirc you can't meld during stealth anyway
so it's unnecessary
potent pivot
potent pivot
idk why you'd press meld during stealth anyway
jaunty osprey
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast [nostealth] Shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat,nostealth] !Stealth
More extra bloat
potent pivot
unless you're just putting stealth and meld into 1 bind
jaunty osprey
Cause u can meld a scatter shot
potent pivot
which i don't
potent pivot
yes but you'd have to be out of stealth
jaunty osprey
jk
potent pivot
or you step someone
jaunty osprey
and spam for 2s till u can restealth
severe helm
```#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```
this ones a little slow in my experience
I actually have /cancelaura shadowmeld in mine
after the meld
for wahtever reason it stealths faster
cuz you cant stealth over meld
if you do a !stealth check
and I bind it to scroll wheel so I can spam it cuz it always takes multiple presses
never works on 1
upbeat bear
Can anyone tell me how far we are into the season? I just staryed again and im
Lvling at the moment
severe helm
Can anyone tell me how far we are into the season? I just staryed again and im
L...
prob like 65%
potent pivot
So wICH ONE IS THE MOST OPTIMAL TO USE, /x
just use the one me or ivanrah posted
severe helm
So wICH ONE IS THE MOST OPTIMAL TO USE, /x
im not sure anyone can truly answer that
potent pivot
don't worry about it
potent pivot
I wish you could sap vanishes still
bro
the honor grind
for alts
is so insane
sockets for rogue/rogue/feral/dk/warr etc
jaunty osprey
is it comp stomp week
potent pivot
oh shit it is
jaunty osprey
go no life
potent pivot
i might have to spam that bs
jaunty osprey
🙂
potent pivot
i still want to level and gear enhance/surv
jaunty osprey
remember to drop a guild banner
potent pivot
maybe monk too
potent pivot
ye i've got flasks
idk if i can even banner
does the guild have to unlock that shit
jaunty osprey
idek, might be ur guild rep - i forget
potent pivot
spring bough
do i keep leveling a hunter or a rogue on my 2nd accout lol
severe helm
sockets for rogue/rogue/feral/dk/warr etc
rofl I still dont have sockets
I might get full sockets by end of season
blitz is so slow for conq and honor its unreal
potent pivot
rofl I still dont have sockets
i'm nearly full sockets on rogue1 and feral
severe helm
im gearing my sp next
potent pivot
but there's no way i'll be able to farm sockets for every melee in the game
i'm not that hardcore
spring bough
Just buy the 3 viscous off the AH every time u get 5k honor ez pz lol
severe helm
lol
potent pivot
i do