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potent pivot
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sting like a bee

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for float like a butterfly

sterile prairie
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so defensives are up more?

potent pivot
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yeah

sterile prairie
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alright thanks man

potent pivot
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npnp

sterile prairie
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one more question trickz

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these super charged combo points what does that mean? like do my combo points have to be exactly that many to use the super charge and is it worth using if its on the first combo point?

surreal barn
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Holy fuck

potent pivot
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so the blue points you see on your UI are just showing you the amount of charges you have

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so with Forced Induction, your next 2 finishers after RtB will do damage as if they had +3 combo points each

sterile prairie
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so i still want to use max Combo points the blue ones just add more technicallly

potent pivot
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you should "aim" to finish on 5 or more combo points

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so if you land on 5, you use a finisher

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if you happen to land on 6 or 7 that's fine

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but don't use a generator if you already have 5

sterile prairie
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ahhhh ok i knew i didnt HAVE to land on 7 but i thought it would be wasting dmg

potent pivot
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the only exception really is for a juiced killing spree

potent pivot
sterile prairie
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Everythings coming together now lol

potent pivot
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you're also adding a GCD, and spending energy you don't need to spend

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outlaw is hyper focused around spamming finishers

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if you press a generator on 5 or more, you waste combo points, energy, GCD, etc

sterile prairie
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Yeah, good for fatebound lol

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ok i see

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and Blade flurry do i press off cd for PvP or is that troll

potent pivot
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it can break CC if it's in your range

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most top rogue players use a cancelaura macro for flurry

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so that you can mostly press it on CD, but also cancel it so that you don't break CC

sterile prairie
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any chance u have that macro?

jaunty osprey
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ezpz

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@potent pivot

potent pivot
potent pivot
potent pivot
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i put it on the same keybind as my BF, but with a modifier

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so like my BF is on "F", so i just make "ctrl-F", just as an example

sterile prairie
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sweet mann thankls

jaunty osprey
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val did queue

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and he 6-0d

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so i had to 6-0 as well

sterile prairie
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man my first shuffle with ur tips and i one shot a mage and he rage quit XD

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
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i know there are still months

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IT'S JUST FUN TO BE UP THERE

potent pivot
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when i start queueing rogue again

jaunty osprey
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u wish

potent pivot
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yeah i doubt it ngl

wet crown
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I usually play sub in pvp if I pvp at all, so potentially dumb sin question: How effective is dotting someone up and running for a restealth compared to a feral?

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Like just out in the world with nobody to heal your victim.

jaunty osprey
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that's fine

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if you have a shiv on them

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when you do it

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your bleeds will hit harder

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and they'll be omega slowed

jolly sierra
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assa is able to spam slows

wet crown
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How threatening are said bleeds if I just decide not to open on them and see what they do lol

lime oar
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Esp if u got a 60 sec rupture on em 😂

jaunty osprey
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they're threatening if it's an improved garrote

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and rupture with shiv up

jolly sierra
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both garrote and rupture are usually your biggest damage sources

wet crown
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Sweet.

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Does sudden demise explode people in pvp or nah?

jolly sierra
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yes

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yesterday i gave a guy a stroke suddenly when he was a mage and tbh didnt noticed him dying at the time in a shuffle

wet crown
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Sounds dope

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Any funny uses of the dracthyr racial noted? I'm still thinking over a switch and it's either nelf or drac

potent pivot
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some classes can just get rid of them

potent pivot
spring bough
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sin rogue 9/9 gemmed out. 47.4% mastery before pvp ilvl lol

potent pivot
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Sudden Demise is heavily nerfed in pvp

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it's still good though

spring bough
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sudden demise KBs going for like 700k lol

wet crown
potent pivot
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finally using mastery for proper work

wet crown
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but this was like launch

lime oar
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Kidney bomb with all your bleeds and KB on them and watch them rot to death

wet crown
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Deathmark neccesary or will they just rot naturally

potent pivot
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deathmark is kinda piss in pvp

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it's nerfed by 50%

wet crown
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...really now?

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interesting

jolly sierra
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it triggers insta once the threshold is met

potent pivot
# wet crown ...really now?

it's still good, but not great. it's also a debuff on the enemy, so it's dispellable and easy to counter etc

wet crown
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what dispels it?

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Poison? Magic?

potent pivot
jolly sierra
potent pivot
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it's a bleed

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can also be removed/immuned by multiple defensives

wet crown
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Kek

potent pivot
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probably that one hunter that comes in here

jolly sierra
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which one lol

potent pivot
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baiting that rogue needs nerfs all the time

wet crown
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but yeah was just wonderign before trying it in world pvp for giggles.

jolly sierra
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the thing is sudden demise is still very very good

wet crown
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Jump them if they survive

jolly sierra
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i really love how u cant react to it in low hp

potent pivot
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yeh it's like touch of death

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except you don't even have to press it

wet crown
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I'm only rocking aspirant gear since I haven't really been pvping.

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but I'm playing my rogue now and enjoy rogue pvp so

potent pivot
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honor gear is usually fine for wpvp

wet crown
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What % does it typically proc for you guys?

potent pivot
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but get some wpvp and conquest gear

wet crown
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Ye

potent pivot
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it's supposed to proc under 10% hp

jolly sierra
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like 10% hp ye

potent pivot
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but you have to have pretty fresh bleeds on them

wet crown
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I assume in pvp people aren't exploding instantly at 35

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Oh 10% ok

potent pivot
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yeah it's 10

wet crown
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ez

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system shock and creeping sound fun.

potent pivot
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fun? yes
good? ehh

wet crown
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we don't run them eh

potent pivot
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not really

wet crown
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I'm not on r/n so haven't checked the builds and such yet

potent pivot
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hemo/bomb are pretty much 100% lock-ins

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then if you don't need Veil or Disarm we can run DfA

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either DfA or the Tricks pvp talent to buff a team mate's damage

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Tricks won't come in handy in wpvp though

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and its kinda meh in shuff imo

wet crown
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figured

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so even goofing around ganking people don't run shock/creep?

potent pivot
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i mean you could just for fun

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but disarm/veil are very good

jolly sierra
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well system shock was very good in bfa

wet crown
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but it wouldn't really be effective ye?

jolly sierra
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but not anymore

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XD

potent pivot
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veil will make cloak clear bleeds for more easy restealths

wet crown
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meanwhile ring of fire is still insane

potent pivot
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i usually keep veil spec'd in wpvp

jolly sierra
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dfa could be better with darkest night

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rather than system

potent pivot
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yeh

wet crown
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haven't run dfa since wod

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lol

potent pivot
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DfA is fun and decent

jolly sierra
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finally something i agree w trickz lol

wet crown
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there was an old trick I wonder if it still works

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where if the initial hit of dfa killed a shaman it would hit them if they reincarned before you came down

gleaming pawn
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DfA or some other new fun single target finisher should be added baseline to Assa, or a talent to chose like Outlaw has Killing Spree and Sub has Sec Tech

potent pivot
gleaming pawn
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that's fair too

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I just want my single target back

dusty dawn
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.

gleaming pawn
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I'm so over rotting with bleeds

potent pivot
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Mut and Ambush have been bad for over an expansion now

wet crown
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what stats on rings? I'll recraft my 610s when I get decent pve ones.

potent pivot
wet crown
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I figured it'd be mast

potent pivot
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ye we run mast on everything except tier set

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And daggers for rn because of the free ones

wet crown
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free ones? :L

jaunty osprey
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wym

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we have enough conq

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to double craft daggers now

wet crown
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oh that

jaunty osprey
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also use a catalyst charge on bloody token boots

gleaming pawn
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Mr. Money Bags over here with a tier 3 Scout's March

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😄

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what slots do you have your embelishments in if not boots

jaunty osprey
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rings

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or daggers

jolly sierra
gleaming pawn
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eh it's not that much more than crafted, and it's a lot of lost vers

spring bough
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this felt amazing lol

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1.36m kingsbane, with a 1.62m envenom and a 544k demise to finish em

lime oar
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Watching sinnens transition to a real rogue spec has been so entertaining

spring bough
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2153 in solo just there XD

potent pivot
potent pivot
gleaming pawn
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It would be nice if they revisited the tokens for 2500 conquest next season, and just give us enough epic heraldry to craft our weapons

potent pivot
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Yep agreed

jaunty osprey
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i still dont know if i should craft neck/rings

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or stick with conq neck and ring (1 craft)

jaunty osprey
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mine wasnt in pvp

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scaling

waxen meteor
jaunty osprey
waxen meteor
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we don't really reach 30% vers this season easily anyway

jaunty osprey
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the thing is

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i dont think

waxen meteor
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no dr vers increases dmg too

jaunty osprey
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true

potent pivot
gleaming pawn
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oh thought I saw the tooltip scale to 636, that makes a lot more sense then

potent pivot
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It’s not a huge difference either way but assa is pretty squishy

gleaming pawn
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ya

jaunty osprey
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yeah

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like

gleaming pawn
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I wouldn't change my setup as is, but for a newly geared character is makes some sense

jaunty osprey
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one of my rogues

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is 29% vers

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and i have one at 22% and more mastery

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and i feel equally squishy

potent pivot
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Yeah we won’t notice it that much

jaunty osprey
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if i die either way, ima make sure i hit the biggest envenom

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possible

potent pivot
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But every little bit helps the healer

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I kinda wish there was something more we could do, but at the same time I don’t kekw3

humble spear
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We play KB again now? 😮

potent pivot
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A lot of people don’t

humble spear
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hey notrickz, what is a good general opener that you could recommend?

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ty

potent pivot
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Openers are a little situational, but the main things are get out some CC and then garrote, ambush, rupture, etc

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Try to make sure you get a Sap off on someone then either opener with Cheap or just Garrote on someone else

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Build combo points with FoK on 2 or more targets, or if you’re getting kited

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Try to upkeep your bleeds and poisons on as many targets as you can without fucking with CC

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Prioritize casting CT if 2 or more are in range and you already have a couple garrotes/ruptures up

humble spear
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Awesome info, ty... when do you usually Shiv?

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and always Ambush for deathmark in opener right?

jaunty osprey
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notrickz doesnt shiv, he'

humble spear
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after garrote CS for example?

jaunty osprey
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he's a dirty feral player

potent pivot
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But the earlier you do it the better in case you get CCed

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So typically gar->ambush->rupture

jaunty osprey
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also, shiv is insane if they're stacked or about to stack

potent pivot
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Ye^

humble spear
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ty so much

potent pivot
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Shiv is an aoe with AP talented

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Buffs bleeds and nature dmg

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You always want to try to shiv your KB

potent pivot
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I think I’m going to level my shaman next

jaunty osprey
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ELE OR ENHANCE?!?!

potent pivot
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Can play both but I prefer playing melee

wet crown
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are the stats bad?

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they were pretty mid for mage

potent pivot
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free weapons are huge for gearing quick and cheap

wet crown
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yeh

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in blitz how yall running it on rogue

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haven't done it yet but probably gonna do rogue and mage because everyone else's mogs suck.

potent pivot
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wdym

wet crown
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like on blitz what are you doing to get the wins

potent pivot
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rogue is one of the best classes for blitz

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you mostly run around ninja capping bases or you can sit bases

wet crown
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Oh ok.

potent pivot
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but you can really aids the other team

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just by wasting their time

wet crown
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If I'm like sweating just to get the mog am I sin or sub?

potent pivot
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whatever you prefer

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all 3 specs are good

wet crown
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Sweet.

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Is ctf in the rotation or is it all flag spinning?

potent pivot
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base maps, flag carry maps, cart maps and the orb map

waxen meteor
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is BM hunter still like 1234 easy level now?

potent pivot
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yep

waxen meteor
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might be a good time to do a alt finally

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but BM is a bit boring..

potent pivot
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then don't play it

waxen meteor
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yeah

potent pivot
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a lot of classes/specs are fun rn

waxen meteor
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i was scanning through my alt

potent pivot
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rogue, feral, warr, dk, enhance, surv

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are my alts atm

waxen meteor
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while doing the halloween thingy

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did the mogs while waiitng in queue

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i figured i wanted to do DK purely because my DK characeter looks sexy...

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void elf..

potent pivot
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i still gotta level sham/hunter

waxen meteor
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there's literally no other reason pff

potent pivot
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all my chars are nelf/human/orc kekdog

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and i'm prolly going to swap my orc hunter to nelf

waxen meteor
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i think i will end up with SP or Feral or another rogue

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but my human SP is just not sexy as void elf

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it's like just a character

lime oar
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Human better imo

waxen meteor
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from apperance or utility...

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i mean i totally agree with you from pratical stand point..

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this is my SP

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I mean, it's okay

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not bad

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but this is sexy bro

dim oriole
potent pivot
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my priest is undead

waxen meteor
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i think healer priest undead is awesome

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I love the double haste trinket on SP lol

waxen meteor
potent pivot
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there's also a workaround to invite cross faction to your personal guild

waxen meteor
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why is it a workaround

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i think cross faction is allowed since df?

potent pivot
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ye but if you have your own personal guild with only your alts in it, you can't

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the guild finder window doesn't work cross faction

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you have to have someone of your same faction invite you to the guild

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like i've got most of my characters in 1 guild, no one else is in it to help me invite them etc

waxen meteor
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ah okay

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i see

wet crown
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What's sins max dam opener? For just annihilating someone who probably doesn't know you're there.

potent pivot
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cheap-gar-ambush-rupture

wet crown
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well, that's simple

potent pivot
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then re cheap if you want, shiv-KB-deathmark, build for envenom

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try to re garrote early, before the end of your Improved Garrote window

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so you get max duration of the empowered garrote

hidden moth
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for more poison procs to make kb go boom

potent pivot
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the exact order doesn't matter than much i don't think

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the poison procs don't affect the initial hit of KB, just the ramp

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the duplicated bleeds affect the initial hit through Lethal Dose etc

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but ye you could Deathmark-shiv-KB

waxen meteor
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i think against caster, I do garrot - ambush - rupture, cs, shiv, kb -> etc. I know lots do second garrot too, I think we can do second garrot a bit later since now improved garrot is longer

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against melee, i normally do cs, garrot, ambush, rupture, cs shiv kb -> etc.

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i guess the point is in arena, lots of openings cc will be on different target

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a cs or garrot on healer after sap might worth more than 10-15% more dmg on killing target

jaunty osprey
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i sap into sap into garrote on healer

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a lot

wet crown
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Does the garrote trick still work?

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Sap>garrote looking to the side

hidden moth
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what did it use to do

wet crown
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Didn't break the sap before your cheap shot basically.

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Kinda niche now but still

hidden moth
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well i havnt heard of it or seen it recently so i doubt its a thing still

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but the gar still takes u from stealth even if it doesnt break sap no?

jaunty osprey
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ya it still works

hidden moth
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i just thought of this

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but sub vs outlaw is just the age old argument of Pirate vs ninja

indigo hill
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How many gems can i add to a ring and neck?

potent pivot
indigo hill
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Ty

hidden moth
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9 gems total

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So 8 star gems+ 1 meta gem

safe pelican
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Why are we talking about shiv and not KS 🦦🥱

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Pirate Mafia has arrived on the scene 🎬

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I feel like 6:30 am is too early to queue blitz if i lose this early ima go pve 😂

vocal surge
safe pelican
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Lmao BM so trashly broken rn

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Sending full burst at them when i see em go the graveyard and res sir try again i was beefing with this BM hunter in my blitz match last night he kept focusing me lol i kept sending max CP kidneys at him and hooking away 😂

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5 second timeout

vocal surge
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Gotta love this damage breakdown

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1.3M DPS

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Enemy healer couldn't keep up with being hit by just Blade Flurry

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1st to die, Enemy rSham to Killing Spree

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Warrior died the next second to my Blade Flurry Between the Eyes damage

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and priest died to my Unseen Blade

safe pelican
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Take SS when you reach 1M highest I have hit was 750k sustained like Trickz is saying I’m sure you can HIT it but for how long is that a sustained period of dps

safe pelican
vocal surge
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7 casts

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also the DPS value is shown to the right

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Damage Done is both raw total damage and DPS

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Highest DPS I've done was 3M cleave

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on 3 targets

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rated btw

safe pelican
vocal surge
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7 casts of Killing Spree

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For that game, was getting CC'd out of KS

stoic spruce
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Supercharger on shiv plays infinitely better than on RtB

vocal surge
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only 110 hits landed

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Supercharged Killing Sprees have 22 hits per cast

safe pelican
vocal surge
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XD

stoic spruce
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Outlaw needs it on a new button

safe pelican
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This is actually why assa is broken rn lol

stoic spruce
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Not fuckin vanish tho

safe pelican
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SHHHHHHH

stoic spruce
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A better one

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Is opp procs

vocal surge
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lol

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But ye

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If you wanna know how much my KS is doing

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~4,801,020 Damage unmitigated non-crit
~7,201,530 Damage unmitigated full-crit (all 22 hits crit)

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this is subtracting armor, versatility, and any passive talent DRs

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as well as damage ranges

safe pelican
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Yea that’s on dummy right ?

vocal surge
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mathmatical value

stoic spruce
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@potent pivot how did that cold blood outlaw expirement go?

vocal surge
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A fully stacked BTE is worth almost 3/4 a Killing Spree

safe pelican
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Yea i have been noticing that it’s almost better to slam super charged BTE’s and spam that in the adr window and then send KS on the first RTB after to keep up dps ?

vocal surge
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Not really

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A normal BTE is worth less than a Killing Spree

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A fully stacked one is different

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These are the modifiers for a fully stacked BTE
+15% Damage (Ghostly Strike)
+5% Damage (Fazed)
+30% Damage Amp (.5 PvP Multiplier 4p)
+42% Damage (Flawless Form)

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main thing that sends it over the edge is the 4p effect

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without that, KS > BTE

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Because you go energy starved if you dont

safe pelican
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But I’m running Fatebound brother 🙂‍↔️😈

vocal surge
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Oh, then ye, BTE > KS

safe pelican
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So would it be better to spend the super points on the BTE’s , KS or split it between 1 BTE and one KS in the opener

vocal surge
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KS outside of stealth windows

safe pelican
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Yea

vocal surge
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Trickster is the one that BTE --> KS for finishers

vocal surge
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I was maintaining 1.3M DPS for 1min 30s

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For the remainder of the time (55s), it slowly trickled down

safe pelican
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🙂‍↔️

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🧢

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FB still more fun for blitz is probably not play trickster in arena though

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Trying to find the fastest way to send another super KS after the opening subterfuge window

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Where are the Fatebound superstars at 🤨

gusty hedge
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suspended venthyr breadblade

vocal surge
safe pelican
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2-0 for the day

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2 minute blitz queues rn not bad

indigo hill
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Why do people at 2k mmr play like they just bought the game?

lime oar
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Luck

grave basin
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is it just me or is this the best purple dagger in the game

grave basin
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can i play whatever meme build this is with low haste

vocal surge
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Roll The Bones = Supercharger activates (Forced Induction so its +3 CPs). Between the Eyes for +20% Crit and then Killing Spree for next finisher for 22 hits on 1 Killing Spree

grave basin
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yea but what if it doesnt kill

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do you just have 0sustain

safe pelican
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3-1 today stole my first base XD

vocal surge
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Ye

safe pelican
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these 1v1 rogue backcap fights are what ive been looking for im cooking sub rogues on backcap ngl just hook around during blades and flag lmao then comeback and kidney into super KS use BTE opener with ADR to get evasion CD

vocal surge
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You have a lot of sustain

vocal surge
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@grave basin ^Video of how it plays

hidden moth
safe pelican
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4-1 think i need a break though but im hot rn lord knows next log in im losing 8 staight

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didnt know we could get bloostones in the pvp boxes from winning thats dope

vocal surge
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Thats super rare lol

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I've opened hundreds of those boxes since TWW started

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no bloodstones

safe pelican
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yea that was my first one quick 7k gold for winning a blitz bg not bad lol

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been playing since season start as well needs to drop more often with how much honor it cost and how much it goes for on the AH

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2 set or 4 set for outlaw?

vocal surge
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4 set

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2 set is absolutely worthless alone

safe pelican
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Is it even worth getting 4 set? i feel like im going to lose alot of haste I like where im sitting right now

vocal surge
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Ye

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4p gives up to +30% Between the Eyes damage

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The highest I've gotten BTE to do non crit was 970k

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If that critted

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That'd be 2.7M (2.91M if we want to include the 70k in the math)

safe pelican
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say less

vocal surge
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the amount of stacks gained depends on your builders

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since we get double procs and FTH often, you should know how often that is

jaunty osprey
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Love when sudden demise

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isnt the killing blow for some reason

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and proccing randomly 0.2 seconds before their death

safe pelican
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Lol that is the worse youre like nah dont proc now 😂

safe pelican
vocal surge
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Fan the Hammer

hidden moth
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@potent pivot they got back to me on that ticket. They restored the 6398 timewarped badges that I had lost in the war band xfer bs

noble hedge
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hey folks... for bgs as trickster sub, any thoughts on gloomblade, replicating shadows, deeper daggers and dark brew for more pressure via shadow dmg bypassing armor and keeping up dmg between bursts? CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbjxy0MAzwYMzMzMzMzMmtxMGLbjZGmZMGzsMGAAAAmBDbmtZMbzwYhhlZ2mWotZDG

smoky garnet
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Is there a trick to re stealthing in arena? Sometimes I sit behind a pillar forever and won’t restealth as DS Sin.

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I’ll even blow a Shadowmeld and I’ll still be in combat

lime oar
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AFAIK deathstalker still has bugs with rupture and re-strealthing?

spring bough
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did they ever do garrison catchup mechanics for alts

spring bough
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Disc priest so OP in solo. This guy goes “you LOS me most of the match. I just threw a shield and you cooked” 😂

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It was RMP vs holy paladin and affli/destro for my last round

elder fossil
blissful peak
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New to sub, why do I see so many good players mix in shuriken storm casts?

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Combo point reasons?

gleaming pawn
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Clear the Witnesses if they are Deathstalker, and maxing Danse Macabre stacks during dance

blissful peak
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I see, I play DS

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Should I only use it once during dance, in place of like a cheapshot or a shadowstrike, then?

gleaming pawn
#

I would not worry about it during dance

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just use it outside of dance for clear the witnesses, if you have the energy

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but maybe one of the Sub mains can answer better, I only dabble

spring bough
#

In a game with a 2902 mistweaver 😭

jolly sierra
potent pivot
spring bough
#

absolutely trucking a solo shuffle right how as fatebound outlaw lol

jolly sierra
potent pivot
blissful peak
untold remnant
#

Nerf feral, thanks

spring bough
#

Hell yes dawgs. Moved up from #8 to #7 outlaw on the blitz boards

#

Do I keep going lol

elder fossil
#

Gz!

jolly sierra
#

get the top 1 so u get your own cult here

spring bough
#

Forged grand marshal does sound nice

jolly sierra
#

forged in war

#

ye

spring bough
#

I need to get past 2597 to be in the title territory

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💀

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I’m in a temple blitz…. 3 rogues vs 3 rogues

#

They have 3 sin rogues

safe pelican
#

Lol that sounds terrible

#

Blitz Boyz about to get back on the push here soon

proven field
#

You guys ever get days where it feels like outlaw is broken? All week nonstop pump - play today, I am just constantly energy starved, doing zero dps, no idea what has suddenly changed

granite herald
#

The planets are not alinged and the moon is slightly at a diffrent position so the tides are a bit wonky and your pirate ship can't keep stable so your dice rolls are shit

spring bough
jolly sierra
lament sedge
#

How do you open on outlaw usually?

spring bough
potent pivot
#

Make sure not to have anyone targeted when you press adrenaline rush or your coin proc will break your stealth

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You can open with a kidney, a cheap or just open and start blasting BtEs

lament sedge
potent pivot
#

Yeah

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Watching whaazz or another rogue is probably your best bet

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Most of them have an addon that displays their spell usage in order etc

jolly sierra
safe pelican
spring bough
safe pelican
#

Lmaoooo chill out you’re top 10 cut the bs and send 🥱🦦

jolly sierra
#

won again in SS, im leaving for today

spring bough
#

6-7 on the week for blitz and somehow lost 0 rating

#

Not getting good games lol

jolly sierra
#

ye, im pushing till 1950 this time as goal xdd

#

duelist maybe for later

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but for now

spring bough
#

This ferals name is thebearjew a inglorious basterds reference 😂

safe pelican
#

Lol that’s a good one

spring bough
#

I just recorded the best smoke kill on him too

#

Solo shuffle turning around rn lol

safe pelican
# jolly sierra bah

Gunna finish my assa push soon Outlul is fun rn though in blitz at least assa would be easier in shuffle for sure

jolly sierra
spring bough
#

cranked this druid down in smoke

safe pelican
jolly sierra
safe pelican
spring bough
#

same stuff diff place lol

safe pelican
jolly sierra
#

lol

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im not the one which owns guns in their spec kek

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i just cover weapons in a poison bath

spring bough
#

me and hunter raced to LH. capped over their two defenders. kept LH for most of the game and then we got WW too

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lost LH at the very end but still won GG

untold niche
#

sorry if this has been asked a million times, i'm currently trying to learn pvp and i've been testing different builds to understand how it all works!
Why were Master Assassin and Kingsbane taken over using something like Serrated Bonespike?

and on the rogue side i never quite knew whether to use the supercharged points, Lethality, or Alacrity...

hidden moth
#

kb gives a bit extra burst for our goes

untold niche
#

that makes a lot of sense yea

spring bough
#

2553, the #6 outlaw in blitz. climbing yall

frosty citrus
#

whats best burst rotation?

hidden moth
#

Gz

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For what @frosty citrus

frosty citrus
#

for sin

hidden moth
#

Cheap, gar, bush, rup, cheap, gar venom, (if u got haste maybe a 3X dr cheap),death mark, shiv, kb, slam out muts/fok and venom spam send 2nd shiv when ur first is ~1 second duration left

#

Do I start pushing my glad now or wait till end of season hmmmm

spring bough
severe helm
#

is blitz dead already? lol

neat torrent
#

is it telling you what GCD to press?

spring bough
neat torrent
#

seems useful. I've got all sorts of alarms beeping and boping when i need to refresh RTB and blade flurry lol

spring bough
#

Nahj blitz team just whooping my teams ass rn. Christ almighty lol

hidden moth
#

i wouldnt trust rotation of a w/a

#

ur out of range bc mechanic and u cant hit the boss so ur gonna hold gcds till u can run up and hit a dispatch or ambush, and ur sitting therre doing nothing when u could be sending some pistol shots

spring bough
#

#5 outlaw on blitz

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top 5 alive

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2609 top four alive loool

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that is forged marshal territory boys

spring bough
#

just made 4k gold lockpicking 2 boxes lol

jaunty osprey
#

im 5-0 right now

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on laros stream

#

about to be #1 on alt rogue

spring bough
jaunty osprey
#

solo

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alt rogue #1

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main rogue #2

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gg

jolly sierra
#

lol

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(gz)

jaunty osprey
#

bigggggg

#

that w/l too

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70-25

jolly sierra
#

nice

wet crown
#

_>

wet crown
hidden moth
#

the mage need some milk

#

first round disc mage feral vs rogue spriest shaman. me nad feral position to go spriest while the mage is also invis. we push their spawn side wall in the mugambala arena and mage goes up top in the far corner closest our spawn and losses the 1v1 to the rogue while they are in narnia away from the fight

#

yells at me for his bad positioning xD

pearl pasture
#

hello, i'm playing with a friend who plays disc. would sub or assass be better for 2s?

hidden moth
#

prob assa since assa is rot and more up time

pearl pasture
#

ah okay thank you!

hidden moth
#

but sub will be slamming bursts

pearl pasture
#

got it, sub for more burst, but assass was for more dampening

proven field
#

"Tank why are you not holding flag, it's a standoff" "I am on D"

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odds of winning

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we then proceed to sit 7 on D for 5 mins straight - they return with 30sec and we lose

proven field
#

BGB just makes you crazy - next map (this is 2k mmr) EOTS - 6 ppl go mid

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we lose both bases because other team is holding them with 4 - then we lose mid, then... no recovery

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"guys please just all go FR at start, let hunter and I sit DR and prev peel out if needed" "ok" six go immediately to mid

hidden moth
proven field
#

The good news is, if it were golf - where the lowest score matters - we would have killed them

hidden moth
#

envenom going crazy

indigo lava
coral void
#

also had a mage die without block while letting me sit a hex, i'm done with healing shuffle for today 🐶

safe pelican
hidden moth
#

tricks what we feeling for 3v3?

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assa or sub

blissful peak
#

is it stupid to cannibalize pve weakaura suites for pvp stuff?

hidden moth
#

nah

blissful peak
#

like just stealing individual buff tracker icons and stuff from it

hidden moth
#

i just use luxthos pve pack

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lol

blissful peak
#

in its entirety?

hidden moth
#

pshhh yeah

blissful peak
#

or just the stuff you find useful?

#

legend lol

#

do you play sub?

hidden moth
#

assa

#

im working on learning sub though

blissful peak
#

same and im pretty new to wow and entirely new to rogue

#

it is hard as hell to find resources for learning sub that dont assume 10 years wow exp

hidden moth
#

hehe

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not me playing wow back in 2004 sitting on my gmas lap at the ripe age of 3

blissful peak
#

can you still buy those 375 conq boxes for alts?

#

or is that gone?

hidden moth
#

uh

#

conq boxes?

blissful peak
#

yeah in df you could buy these like

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alt boxes, random piece of conq gear for 375 a pop

#

quick way to gear alts by spamming arenas on main

hidden moth
#

oh

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not rn

#

bc conq isnt even uncapped yet

potent pivot
#

i mostly use WAs i make myself, for 2-3 things depending on spec

blissful peak
#

WA wise, i mean

potent pivot
#

kinda on the line of self promo here >_<

potent pivot
potent pivot
#

pretty much every spec in the game is playable with just a couple auras

blissful peak
potent pivot
#

i mostly have the WA for assa to let me know i have it ready for a max cp envenom

jaunty osprey
potent pivot
#

i'm trying to do the token quest on my alts rn last minute

#

a

#

oh shit dm fair is over

hidden moth
#

i got 6 alts to 80 in 3 days lol

#

dmf with hallows end exp buffs with war band event buff and event quest buff went hard

potent pivot
#

i have like 6 alts that were sitting at the fair with the exp buff

hidden moth
#

65% increase exp+timewalk

potent pivot
#

so i can't log em rn

hidden moth
#

oh i was able ot

#

it just tp u to goldshirer

potent pivot
#

ye but i don't want to waste the buff

hidden moth
#

ah

potent pivot
#

still have it rn

hidden moth
#

yea

#

do i make the 2nd rogue sub or outlaws hmmmm

potent pivot
#

don't really need a 2nd rogue to play sub

hidden moth
#

2 set vs 4 set ig

potent pivot
blissful peak
#

is it better not to if you have the option tho?

hidden moth
#

what macros will i need. i see guides that are like use secret tech macro and dance macro and the macros are all just like
/dance
/symbols
/shadowblade
/trinket
/tech

potent pivot
hidden moth
#

i just dunno if i learn sub or push glad as assa

hidden moth
#

interesting

#

from what ive seen it just seems like a bunch of buff stacking to try to get 4 mil eviserates

potent pivot
#

pretty much except you're never really gonna hit 4m

#

the 4set is arguably better to use now that sub is forced to play for 1.5min burst windows

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because you can have sectech for all of those windows

grizzled basin
potent pivot
wanton breach
#

this season is so fucked

jolly sierra
#

XD

spring bough
wanton breach
#

well obviously

#

deathstrike hitting harder than envenoms

orchid plinth
#

AWC finals be like

#

People complain about "sub op" -> gutted -> tank mirror in AWC finals -> wow dead

wanton breach
#

i didn't see awc finals

#

but that sounds very fucked as well

jolly sierra
#

feral and blood dk bruh

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luckily feral is fotm bait so some of them are bad af and very easy to kill

potent pivot
wanton breach
#

well guess I'm not up to date

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at all

potent pivot
#

finals start next weekend i'm p sure

blissful peak
#

which pieces should i optimally have as 2set on sub?

#

intuitively i feel like legs and shoulders but idk

spring bough
#

i wish there was a mass report button cause fuck blitz

#

everyone in this BG just trashing outlaw rogue for no reason lmao

#

i go fast cloak smoke cap LM and then outta nowhere i get attacked for capping LM

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people so focused on typing about others than playing the game even at 2500..... makes me wanna reach thru a computer at someone

lime oar
#

How can early capping LM be a bad thing

spring bough
#

because someone else had to sit farm that didnt want too

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so they talked so much shit to me everyone else on the team started too

potent pivot
lime oar
#

wtf😂 that’s wild bro. Did u win?

spring bough
#

no we lost by 1 cap

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because a warrior hit my blind on a rogue when i was .2 off farm

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and claimed i was being hit by the priest

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when i was mid cap so idk how i was getting hit lol

lime oar
#

That shit At 2500 is crazy lol

spring bough
#

Mage whispered me “don’t worry he’s been doing that to people all morning” great can’t wait to Que wit this guy again lmao

jolly sierra
#

persons with no social skills irl and with self steem issues using a game to fill that stuff always behave like that

#

once once flamed me for staying in stables because nobody did it and guy insulted me hard

spoiler: ||we won anyways||

spring bough
#

Rather than play the game

jolly sierra
#

and get partners to play

spring bough
#

When I smoke bombed capped LM over 2 locks and a healer off the start of the match

#

Yeah outlaw real useless

jolly sierra
#

xd

proven field
spring bough
#

means afflic lock in games rip on us cause they dont understand

#

ive had this lock in a dozen games since yesterday says it all the time like buddy keep talking ima keep winning over u lol

obsidian pulsar
#

guys when does the unbound spoil chests spawn ?

potent pivot
obsidian pulsar
#

´thats sadly not correct

potent pivot
#

then they made the spawn random

obsidian pulsar
#

i camped last 3 days 12 am - 6 pm - 12 pm

potent pivot
#

because it was 100% correct

obsidian pulsar
#

not 1 spawn

potent pivot
#

ye they changed the spawn to be random then

indigo hill
spring bough
hexed egret
jolly sierra
#

im out for now guys

#

even did very shitty dmg

#

how tf ferals can do that dmg w dots

#

look at my rupture bruh

jaunty osprey
#

Still

#

it changed on NA cause daylight savings

spring bough
potent pivot
jolly sierra
spring bough
jolly sierra
#

u are still my grandmaster even in heart

spring bough
surreal barn
#

I feel like dps specs should be able to switch spec before game starts

#

Like in rated

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
#

I think it was 10 AM, I forget - but I got it a few days ago

blissful peak
#

where does flagellation go in my go as sub rogue?

potent pivot
potent pivot
jolly sierra
#

imagine the hunter spots the assa so he switch to surv

surreal barn
#

Yeah not talking about SS

#

Blitz tho

severe helm
#

that wouldnt work though

#

cuz your rating is tied to your spec and it would make it very mandatory to play all 3 specs if you wanted to push rating

#

I think it works a lot better to have the cutoffs be spec specific

jaunty osprey
#

i stopped making groups

#

I just phase hop till i find a dead RP shard

potent pivot
#

yeah it was a while back when we were still finishing them on first rogues

jaunty osprey
#

we probably definitely lost that crate

#

chest*

#

LMAO

potent pivot
#

it uhh...

#

it didn't even spawn

jaunty osprey
#

ya ok I remember

We were all split in diff zones

#

LOL

potent pivot
#

ye

#

except hallowfall

#

but i think we even checked there after and there was nothing

#

wowhead says that blizz fixed that spawn issue

jaunty osprey
#

that issue was caused by desync from server maintenance

#

only on NA

#

some realms/phases are already up even though login servers down

#

and some arent

#

i remember looting a chest at a completely random time

potent pivot
#

yeah there's been a lot of reports of it spawning at random times

#

that's why i thought maybe they changed it to be random

jaunty osprey
#

ya it’s only when that week has extended maintenance

potent pivot
#

just got so lucky

potent pivot
jolly sierra
#

update em before s2

potent pivot
#

oh upgrade, ya

#

i have a full set now besides cloak

#

that ring is the only one i've snagged for cheap with a socket though

jolly sierra
#

wrong word

#

but ye

#

upgrade them

potent pivot
#

yaya

jolly sierra
#

i have all that stuff upgraded already

#

but not socketed

potent pivot
#

got nothing else to use valorstones n shit on anyway

jolly sierra
#

its fine then

potent pivot
#

i'm using regular boe boots

#

i need to get lower ilvl boots for minor speed

#

these fuckers would be nice but they're expensive

jolly sierra
#

to enchant them with 10% more speed

#

if u find some with speed as bonus then go ahead

potent pivot
#

yeah ik

#

the legendary is good because you can stack more stats for longstrider

#

with the 3 sockets

jolly sierra
#

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#

i thing that is enough w the new season jewelry

#

remember longstrider is nerfed

potent pivot
#

yeh i'm just going off of studen's new lvl 80 speed set guide

#

he says the leggo boots are the best thing to use but are expensive so most people don't use em

jolly sierra
#

i see

#

i have a pair, but w my monk and the BE rog

#

tbh i really want to heir items like in diablo

#

good dammit dude those are just low ilvl irrelevant stuff why u are making it so hard

potent pivot
#

i might actually start running weekly delves

#

just for more sockets

jolly sierra
#

ye, could be fine

potent pivot
#

cuz once the set is done i prolly won't ever have to do it again

#

if it scales like level 70 speed sets are now when we get level 90 cap

jolly sierra
#

BTW already xmogged the illusion in my ret

potent pivot
#

ya pally is like the only class i think it actually fits

jolly sierra
#

and priests

#

maybe using benediction

#

devoker here is using dirt illusion

spring bough
jolly sierra
#

rlly love how all matches

potent pivot
jolly sierra
#

can seethe dude but is still pvp related lol

worthy crag
#

conq unlock next reset or the one after?

potent pivot
#

idr what week we're on rn

spring bough
#

When is season end so I can take off work lol

potent pivot
jolly sierra
blissful peak
#

as in kidney > flag > ST > shadowstrike > eviscerate etc

potent pivot
#

You’d need a combo point generator in there

#

It doesn’t really matter what finisher you use as far as Flag stacks go

#

But in general you usually want to rupture-sec tech-evis-evis

#

Your biggest damage global rn is evis and you want to try to line up Darkest Night, Finality, etc for the biggest evis

obsidian pulsar
#

gg 2500mmr games now

potent pivot
#

There’s an argument to be made

#

That you shouldn’t send your big damage until you have max Flag stacks

#

But just doing the normal rotation is fine

spring bough
#

So we getting legion remix possibly???

untold niche
#

newbie question here-
i already have the full blood token set (with two pieces bought with conquest to transform them into set gear), but honor trinkets
should i buy the two pieces that would be set pieces, and go from 636 to 639?
or change trinkets from honor to conquest?

potent pivot
#

Wouldn’t doubt it like after plunder storm next year

potent pivot
untold niche
#

ah thank you, they appeared to be the highest jump

potent pivot
#

Ye the difference is pretty big

untold niche
#

Forged Glad isignia of alacrity and the mandatory medallion is what i use

potent pivot
potent pivot
untold niche
#

yea only assa

#

next thing will be to craft necks and rings

spring bough
potent pivot
spring bough
#

Looks like legion remix??

#

I don’t see them doing tbc sod at all lol

potent pivot
#

And the 30th anniversary of Warcraft

spring bough
#

Might be but the Reddit post that was on was talking all about legion remix

untold niche
potent pivot
untold niche
#

aaah gotcha

potent pivot
#

If you run full crafted pieces other than tier set pieces, you’d end up pretty low on vers

untold niche
#

neck, rings and trinkets are the only thing still in honor tier

#

hm probs best if i just spend conquest changing all of those into conq

potent pivot
#

Should use minimum 1 crafted ring if not 2

untold niche
#

i see

potent pivot
#

I’d double check murlok and see what people are doing

untold niche
#

oh that's what i've been learning to use yea!

potent pivot
#

If they were planning on doing Legion remix this soon they’d come out and announce it

untold niche
mossy abyss
#

Very new to retail. Legit just got the expansion today. I've mained a rogue through all of Vanilla (up to Wrath) and then all of Classic. I'm going to main a rogue again.

  1. Is outlaw the new PvP spec? or is it still Sublety?
  2. I love the look of the new Nightborn race, are they good for PvP? or is there a best race for PvP?
potent pivot
potent pivot
spring bough
jolly sierra
#

tbh

#

because it will be fully changed to be adapted

potent pivot
mossy abyss
#

There's no PvP spec anymore?

jolly sierra
#

luckily no

spring bough
#

It’s all 3

potent pivot
#

No

jolly sierra
#

we can play as we want

potent pivot
mossy abyss
#

Interesting. I assume there's a ton of changes to how rogues work since... Firelands.

potent pivot
#

Yep

jolly sierra
#

OG firelands?

#

ye

#

a lot

mossy abyss
#

Because currently, assassination sucks for PvP, because you can't build up poisons at all

jolly sierra
#

in retail?

potent pivot
#

What

mossy abyss
#

In Firelands

jolly sierra
#

bah that is cata

#

we mostly talk about retail here

mossy abyss
#

Yea, cata, I can't even remember what xpac

#

Well, I kinda am talking about retail

#

Just that I have a lot to figure out, because the class seems to play differently

potent pivot
#

a lot of the very basic mechanics are similar

#

but the nuance has changed a thousand times since back then

mossy abyss
#

Yea, it seems that way, the rotation doesn't look TOO different

spring bough
lime oar
#

Yeah all 3 are great. It really just depends on which one you enjoy playing. Everyone says outlaw is trash but that doesn’t stop the law players on here from hitting 2.4

lime oar
#

I wasn’t able to get any mtn dew while I was in TX

mossy abyss
#

Does the Nightborn racial that snares enemies work in PvP?

jolly sierra
#

ye but why would you pick the race just for that when NE is the right choice that

mossy abyss
#

Because horde.

jolly sierra
#

just play the race u want

#

no need to see any racials in that case

mossy abyss
#

Too true

severe helm
#

the pvp ring is more vers slanted isnt that better?

#

speaking from outlaw perspective ig

blissful peak
#

those of you who play sub, do you run 2 vanishes or thistle tea?

potent pivot
#

some assa's play 1 craft 1 conq

severe helm
#

yeah that makes sense

rapid furnace
#

Best comps for Assa rogue ?

#

2v2 and 3v3

potent pivot
#

for 2v2 just play with any healer

spring bough
#

there is so much shit talk in 2700 mmr its not even funny lol

#

we won here too

severe helm
#

is that in blitz?

potent pivot
spring bough
#

yeah thats in blitz

#

this warrior Fregar told this boomy Lunartic that he was padding

#

so he proceeded to do that all game

#

me and the boomy clapped the EFC and he went off on war for like 5 min straight lol

jolly sierra
#

3s a healer and a mage

potent pivot
#

aff is good too

spring bough
#

LOCKED UP #3

#

LETS GO

#

best twin peak of my life

#

we won 2-2 capped with 5 seconds left

#

got the achieve win a twin peaks after being down 0-2 lol

safe pelican
#

Nasty lol

#

That’s intense

#

About to be get back at it now

#

5-3 for the weekend buncha bots in this bracket but I’m trying 😂

blissful peak
#

when are you guys using rupture in arenas on sub? in between setups?

#

sry my only contribution to this chat is newbie questions, appreciate all the answers

#

really been a godsend

potent pivot
#

you can use it as your first finisher in your burst window as well

#

if it isn't already on the target

#

using rupture->sec tech->evis->evis will keep your finality evis lined up with darkest night and give you danse macabre stacks

blissful peak
#

🙏

spring bough
#

"go next" people need to not play

#

just give up 1/4 of the way in its so ridic