pvp

[spring bough]

Sap into haymaker

Gotta line it up

😂

Or the haymaker the flag carrier off the map never gets old either

[trail vortex]

lol some other rogut tried to sap haymaker me

but i don't think he expected me to trinket the haymaker and step back

[candid tide]

i like it blitz is chill

[mint mauve]

Guys, is there a general overview list on things to think about when you start rated arenas? beside getting information overload 😛

like, do you read talents to look out for for other classes, or focus on learning your own class combinations, or just spam matches until it makes sense?

trying to figure out a general strategy

[spring bough]

Ready for this apple AI to summarize discord PvP channel each day with the TLDR 😂

[wanton breach]

learn what rogues want to do in arenas and afterwards learn what all others can do - you will always miss something but you also got to start at one point

[fiery cove]

hey guys i have a question do you play the 2set or 4 set as sub rogue in pvp?

[potent pivot]

some do, some don't

[fiery cove]

okay thanks 🙂

[potent pivot]

not a big deal either way tbh :d

[mint mauve]

What do you think is an ideal learning environment in terms of arena, or bg?

or, both?

[potent pivot]

that depends which bracket you want to get better at, but if you just want to get better at all pvp in general probably arena

easier to spam games if you can manage to do 2s/3s

skillcapped has a lot of free vids on youtube that can help you learn what other classes do

[mint mauve]

Awesome, looking it up 😄

[grave basin]

ANOTHER TIME

porting me to the middle of bum fuck nowhere

after taking the sw portal

[trail vortex]

lol that from taking the port from CoT?

[grave basin]

yes

[trail vortex]

yeah that happened to me a few times on a few characters

[potent pivot]

i think it's ports to SW in general

fun bugs

[spring bough]

Every time I took the portal last night

Died once too to fatigue

Blizz thinks they are funny or something

[safe pelican]

Lmao this made me lol

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

okay im convinced

im hitting 2.5m onjust random goes

without darkest night

[potent pivot]

😉

[jaunty osprey]

just wonder if forced induction is better than thistle or not

[potent pivot]

for raw damage tea has to be better

[jaunty osprey]

but also

longer ruptures

[potent pivot]

well

it's close

because tea gives less mastery for sin right

each extra combo point is ~11% damage

and tea is like 14% mastery for sin iirc?

[jaunty osprey]

my tea tooltip says 13.6%

[potent pivot]

yeah

[jaunty osprey]

dont really need energy regen anyway in pvp

from tea

[potent pivot]

the biggest difference is that tea buffs for 6sec and includes basically all your damage

[gleaming pawn]

You don’t like blindside over tiny toxic? Even above 30% the blindside procs all the time, doing more damage and saving more energy than tiny toxic

[jaunty osprey]

tiny toxic hits hard

in pvp

[potent pivot]

ambush just doesn't do a lot of damage at all

the free procs are nice

[jaunty osprey]

if blindside procced mark then sure

but since it doesnt

meh

[potent pivot]

you don't do too much ST building either depending on the match up

i tried out CB again as well

i don't dislike it

i just really hate that the initial hit is as low as it is

[jaunty osprey]

i think

they nerfed

something

else

other than lethality double dip

cause

the highest KB i hit yday was 800k

[potent pivot]

i was about to bring that up yeah

[jaunty osprey]

but clearly i was playing it even after the hotfix

and i was still hitting over 1m

consistently

[gleaming pawn]

Crits for 1m vs more finisher damage is so meh. Like it makes sense when using it as a low hp nuke, but the overall just feels bad

[jaunty osprey]

if you use the CB build

only press bane with shiv up under 35%

on a target

[gleaming pawn]

Yep, I range from 700-900. Hit 1m one BGB but that person probably had low vers

[spring bough]

Supercharger over all >>>>>>>

Do they have an estimate for when season two starts yet?

[potent pivot]

probably not for a few months

[spring bough]

Hoping the new tier has some cool looks

[potent pivot]

we just got 11.0.5, 11.0.7 just hit PTR. we will probably get .0.7 in between 1-2 months.

could be march/april before we get 11.1.0

[spring bough]

11.1 will be new season im guessing?

[potent pivot]

ye the big patches are always new season

11.0 s1, 11.1 s2, 11.2 s3 and so on

[spring bough]

Lookin like this siren island is kinda like the forgotten zone on DF that was a filler patch

Can’t remember the zone name but it had that cracked ring

[potent pivot]

.0.2-.0.5-.0.7 are mid season patches

[potent pivot]

ye

we're getting another cracked ring

[spring bough]

WTB some pve catchup item that’s cracked in PvP for a week or till they hotfix it 😂

[potent pivot]

whaazz said earlier he's playing full haste to proc Depths more

but i'm like 200% sure that weapon enchants have fixed proc rates

[gleaming pawn]

Almost everything is a fixed PPM these days

[potent pivot]

yep

idk of any items/enchants etc that aren't

only talents have RNG proc

[lime oar]

Yeah there’s a lot of options

[surreal barn]

I’m sure he’s checked times proc’d with and without haste

[spring bough]

Idk depths is up in my top 5 overall damage most of the time. It slaps lol

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

i asked and he said "idk" so

[spring bough]

Depths pumps harder than some of my abilities lol

[surreal barn]

“Idk if I want this getting out” is what he prob meant

[potent pivot]

ye it just depends on your uptime in general

[potent pivot]

nah

he literally said that was why he was running haste

[spring bough]

I swapped my crit/verse gems for haste/verse just to get 1% more haste 😂

[potent pivot]

then when i told him 'don't all wep enchants have fixed ICD?' he said 'idk maybe'

that's just pvp brain thinking of how things were in cata

[spring bough]

If they do have a fixed ICD. Depths is definitely short. It hits so much lol

[potent pivot]

it's a DoT bro

ofc it has a lot of hits

[gleaming pawn]

Huh apparently it’s special

[potent pivot]

ye it does

weird shit

[spring bough]

So the more auto attacks the more chance of invoking it

Haste 👑

[potent pivot]

question now is

is it worth dropping crit for what is likely +1-2% damage

because even with 10% haste it does 7-10% of our damage

so what is running 20% haste really going to make it do? 11% high rolls?

[spring bough]

I’ve been around 13-14% crit unbuffed for a while. And can still rip something like 11/14 BTE hits were crits

[potent pivot]

in pve i don't think they care about it at all

they just shoot for the haste breakpoints per build

[jaunty osprey]

it's so funny

watching him play outlaw

doing so much just to do

0 damage

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

He not pumping???

[potent pivot]

i think it's just good because it's tanky

[spring bough]

How outlaw SMACKS right now lol

[potent pivot]

in real 3s it doesn't smack

[jaunty osprey]

^

in real 3s, you'll only do damage on the goes

[spring bough]

I’ve done some real 3s as it and it does well for me. Healers usually the go to lmao

[jaunty osprey]

high rated 3s outlaw is like a support class

[potent pivot]

ye it depends a lot on the lobby and players

[spring bough]

Def diff in shuffle. It’s a top pumper in shuffles lol

[potent pivot]

in high rated 3s it does basically the same overall as sub

[spring bough]

Had some ret tell me the other day how “overtuned outlaw is and it needs a nerf” 😂

[jaunty osprey]

xd it's a 2v2 now

[potent pivot]

if you're fighting people that stack and let you flurry it's going to do more

[spring bough]

Flurry isn’t even my top damage most games lol. Telling yall. Supercharger trickster HO. Pumps with KS > Coup > Crack prio. Pump that KS and blades damage

[potent pivot]

that just doesn't happen as much in his games compared to shuffle ladder

it doesn't have to be your top dam, it still adds benefit though

relying on KS more probably isn't very attractive for higher rated games

[spring bough]

I don’t consider flurry filler damage. Especially when it’s hitting for 500k to 1 million. And it makes swaps 100x easier

[potent pivot]

not hard to counter it

[spring bough]

Getting smacked by a 1 mil flurry isn’t fun lol

And KS does get CCed a good amount. Still ends up on top. Get out a CC from a KS. Right into a crack window and hit em with that instead

[potent pivot]

idk

i've never said trickster was inherently bad

just think there's more than 1 reason 95% of the top players play fate

[spring bough]

I didn’t say that. It’s even better now with supercharger than it was at the start of the season

Feel like if more tried it with charger and priod KS and coup they’d find they like it a lot. All that finisher damage, no parry, and damage reduction is so nice

[potent pivot]

the no parry doesn't work on the things you need it to work on though >_<

[candid tide]

positioning is like so key in arena i noticed now

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s very important lol

[jaunty osprey]

ok

no thistle

build

going brrr

for me rn

[vocal surge]

As Outlaw?

[jaunty osprey]

sin

[vocal surge]

Ah

[potent pivot]

[vocal surge]

Was doing 1.2M dps cleave in a 2s earlier

[spring bough]

The only other trickster outlaw isn’t even running supercharger 😭

[vocal surge]

Aye

Boutta have 4p on reset

[spring bough]

Pump that BTE damage

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

Who here knows Piratetko I gotta show him the supercharger pump 😂

[sharp storm]

how you remove roots/snares as subtetly?

[vocal surge]

How to out maneuver a Fatebound Outlaw as Trickster Outlaw: Delay your grappling hook so the Fatebound's Death's Advance buff falls off. Now you win in a DPS race.

[spring bough]

Reroll outlaw for killing spree lol

[sharp storm]

hahahaha

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Or bribe blizzard for maneuverability to be restored

[vocal surge]

Supercharger Trickster's Killing Spree:
Fatebound Killing Spree:

[spring bough]

Supercharger trick KS the new sub secret tech one shot 😂

[vocal surge]

My friend wanted to see what happened if he sat and did nothing to mitigate my 1st Killing Spree

Needless to say, he dropped to 40% before Killing Spree was almost done

[spring bough]

Right into a crack window to 💀

[potent pivot]

Honor gear

[vocal surge]

No honor gear

[jaunty osprey]

not gonna lie

1 min rupture

with supercharger

is kinda insane

[spring bough]

That’s how long a 10 combo point rupture is???

[jaunty osprey]

ya

[spring bough]

What’s the tick lol

[jaunty osprey]

LOL

uhh

[vocal surge]

Lmao

[jaunty osprey]

normal tick

just longer time

[spring bough]

Ah thought the tick would be hella buffed

[candid tide]

lmao

[jaunty osprey]

but

you have bleeds up on everyone

for like 1 min

[candid tide]

10combo ruptures does 1m dmg now

[spring bough]

Stealth bleeds too right

[jaunty osprey]

only thing u need to put up

is garrote

[spring bough]

Cause stealth bleeds are more powered right?

[jaunty osprey]

only improved garrote

[spring bough]

How long until they nerf charger lol

Or forced induction

[jaunty osprey]

charger isnt op

just a diff playstyle

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t need nerfing

[vocal surge]

^

Echoing Reprimand needs to be looked at thou

It does low damage for Outlaw's side

[potent pivot]

It does piss damage for the entire class

[vocal surge]

Blizzard might traumatized

By that ability

No longer running the AR grants 2 guaranteed buffs when doing super charge

Instead doing the other RTB buff

[jaunty osprey]

https://x.com/Kalvishwow/status/1852220552578027715?t=JJjPv7vgzd4sNEiA_MJXuw&s=33

Kalvish (@Kalvishwow) on X

wait is bm hunter good or na

Twitter · Nov 1, 2024, 5:26 AM

lmao

[spring bough]

Now here’s an opportunity for them to bump the damage for ER and make it OP for a week for us to have some fun

[spring bough]

Fk BM hunter. Especially supateases BM hunter

Brother got clapped first round in a lobby last night LOS healer. Then went like 1.2mil dps next round when off my team. Unreal shit

[candid tide]

fk bm

[jolly sierra]

trimaz fucked up my SS match due to that

the guy was like he drew a invisible line with the ideal distance towards everyone

w his mage

[jaunty osprey]

holy shit

super charger build so fun for shuffle

for sin

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

ye i used it w my rog

the envenoms were huge af

[safe pelican]

I’m saying it is fun af

Gotta run either that or CB KB

[jaunty osprey]

welp got my alt rogue

to rank 4

using

supercharger

xd

im not playing 4 poisons, just bleed spec w supercharger

[candid tide]

lol, shimmer can get out of hands at times

[glass hazel]

with tea or double vanish?

[jaunty osprey]

this exact build

[glass hazel]

ty 🙂

[jaunty osprey]

no lingering, no amp poison

still hitting for 2m

[jolly sierra]

nah the guy lit holded 40y away from everyone in the entire match

if someone tried to get close he just ran away and drew the line again

[jolly sierra]

no tea?

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[candid tide]

hes practicing max range ig

[jaunty osprey]

idk, just trying it out

i liked it tbh

i dont really feel energy starved since i multi dot a lot

and in pvp you dont have 100% uptime anyway so your energy should be fine, and having a longer rupture = more energy/less spent refreshing it

and bigger envenom

[potent pivot]

i think tea vs forced can both be good

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

[jaunty osprey]

they're both

the same

like im not gonna notice the mastery myself nor will i notice the extra CP

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

only sims notice that shit

[potent pivot]

i'm still waiting for someone crazy enough to try forced+deeper

dropping subter

[jaunty osprey]

well

[potent pivot]

i ain't gonna be the one

[jaunty osprey]

if your deathstlaker's mark

gets bopped off

then gg

good luck reapplying

with 1 vanish

and buggy meld

[potent pivot]

maybe a fatebounder

[jaunty osprey]

see

i was thinking fatebound

with fate intertwined

could be insane for envenoms

[potent pivot]

maybe some new random blitz tech

playing sub now with no subt already feels insane enough in arena

and it still has dance

[jaunty osprey]

i love that darkest night can be applied with super charge

i remember how long it took them to fix it with echoing

[waxen meteor]

How you feel about it

[potent pivot]

you can also consume it with it

or is that what you meant

[jaunty osprey]

ya sorry i meant consume

[potent pivot]

ah

ye at first it didn't iirc

but they changed it p quick

[jaunty osprey]

took em a while

like 3 weeks or smth

[jaunty osprey]

if im gonna be honest

any non 4 poison rogue spec feels the same

i just like seeing people's hp chunk down, so im having fun with it

i think this build allows you to have more consistent damage aside from your bleeds

it makes it feel like any CC landed on enemy healers can make your target die

but

[waxen meteor]

but how do you build cps fast

[potent pivot]

we've only had charger like a week n a half :p

[waxen meteor]

without tea

[jaunty osprey]

it's dumb how kidney consumes a super charge

in pvp

[potent pivot]

yeah i usually aim to use on env

rupture ain't bad either

that's just how i've been doing it

[jaunty osprey]

i mean

2 charges of shiv

you'll never get back to back envenoms really

like kidney

into back to back envenoms

unless they're afk

[waxen meteor]

did you have issue building cps for 7 without tea?

[potent pivot]

no

[jaunty osprey]

everyone plays like they're on game 7 of blizzcon when they face rogues

[waxen meteor]

especially when you also want to do kidney

[jaunty osprey]

and a rogue presses kidney

in pvp you shouldnt have energy issues

[potent pivot]

if you've got bleeds up energy isn't a problem

[jaunty osprey]

you dont have 100% uptime, you arent spamming an ability every global

like you are in pve

it's important to multi dot for scent of blood anyway

so you get energy regen if you have bleeds + a lethal poison up on someone

[potent pivot]

also kinda good to pool when you can for SB

then send harder during stuns/shivs

[jaunty osprey]

i wonder if

supercharging CT

is insane

since it ticks harder than rupture

vs bm/demo

[potent pivot]

could be yeah

duration doesn't go up by a lot but it's still dece

[jaunty osprey]

goes to 30s

couldnt SS fast enough

well if pandemiced

imagine 29s CT, 57s rupture, 23s garrote

[potent pivot]

that's on a pandemic refresh?

[jaunty osprey]

ya

[potent pivot]

ah ok

[jaunty osprey]

which is

[potent pivot]

was about to say

[jaunty osprey]

fairly easy

in pvp

when you're being kited and all u can spam is fan

without flying daggers talent

this is the range of fan

when you jump

actually insane

[potent pivot]

ye i think it gains like 2-3y or somethin

[jaunty osprey]

ya, it's like legsweep

[sharp storm]

which spec does better on PVP? i have only played subtlety so far

[potent pivot]

they're all viable in their own ways

[safe pelican]

Supercharged CT goes krazy had insane dam one Shuffle spamming it cause i couldnt fade the udk

[jaunty osprey]

i just wish sin wasnt so squishy

they need to bring back dodge on veil of midnight

[gleaming pawn]

They could buff the leech healing Sin has baked in, not to DH levels but it would be an easy and thematic way to keep Sin alive longer. Should also probably give Rogue the HP buff from Outlaw, just baseline

[spring bough]

SUPERCHARGER UNITE

[spring bough]

Time to go outlaw tank god

[jaunty osprey]

send me your build

so i can set up my bars

[spring bough]

Just sent it to you

[jaunty osprey]

oh

i have dms off

let me add u

[long shore]

Haha this is so true 🤣

Even in world PvP people try so hard every time

[spring bough]

I feel like I get trained in blitz

And I don’t enjoy it lol

[grave basin]

apparantly you can just do this on 4 alts

and get it in one go

[spring bough]

That’s amazing. What’s the reward this month

[grave basin]

some piss back piece

[potent pivot]

4 piss back pieces

[spring bough]

Anything good to buy from the vendor?

[potent pivot]

a lot yes

[spring bough]

Oh my dark ranger

Let’s goooooo

Ummm. Did they really just negate my 12 months of trading posts to get that special mog set…. And now you don’t need that 😂

[potent pivot]

you still have to do 12 months

afaik anyway

[spring bough]

The way they wrote it is confusing. Sounds like you just need to get points each month but not the special reward

[potent pivot]

can you link it?

wowhead has been posting like crazy idk where the page went

psure u still gotta earn the reward

[spring bough]

At the bottom of this one

Ohhh it’s just consecutively. Nvm lol

[potent pivot]

ye it reads the same lol

[spring bough]

I’m still counting down the days till I can try for these winter illusions yet again

And then probably never get them

[jaunty osprey]

gonna push 3s now

with envenom build

will report back

[potent pivot]

grasp and flames?

[spring bough]

Yup

[potent pivot]

i got them both the first year i tried

[spring bough]

Doing numbers

[spring bough]

Opened countless presents yet to see the winter illusion lol

[potent pivot]

looks like 8% drop chance

i did the event everyday on the like 5 alts i had back then

[grave basin]

god DAMN

[jaunty osprey]

not bad

[spring bough]

I’m at 712 rounds. That records OD crazy lol

[spring bough]

That envenom pump

Wonder what envenom looks like without charger. Half that dmg? 😂

[potent pivot]

-22% per

[jolly sierra]

@jaunty osprey which build would u advice for a fast 2k1 in SS? tbh job is consuming me hard and dont wanna tryhard builds too much this season xd

[potent pivot]

it barely matters which build

with what he linked earlier tea or forced

both slap

[spring bough]

Have you tried dropping vigor for deeper yet?

[jaunty osprey]

yes

it's awful

LOL

u cant spread bleeds

[spring bough]

Damn. Sin needs some bones buffs 😂

[jaunty osprey]

play tea and supercharger

and play symbolic victory over lingering darkness

[jolly sierra]

i remember got the 2k1 fast in s4 after switching to ER pre rework, i think some builds are more comfortable if u dont push to 2k4

[jolly sierra]

got it

[potent pivot]

they feel the same :d

[jaunty osprey]

send kingsbane before u send envenom

[jolly sierra]

with kingsbane?

gotcha

[jolly sierra]

should i priorize after the target is below 35%?

or just shove it per min?

[jaunty osprey]

for envenom build nah

just send cause

the dot will pump

[jolly sierra]

got it

ty, would play more and try but time is narrow rn F

so i asked lol

[potent pivot]

you play long cloak a lot?

[jaunty osprey]

just vs

certain comps

[potent pivot]

or did that just happen to be vs casters

i've been playing bait and elus

[jaunty osprey]

it was vs aff lock

[potent pivot]

just for the hell of it really

[jaunty osprey]

elus is good

i just dont trust shuffle healers

[potent pivot]

the off gcd helps a lot

[spring bough]

Have we figured out if they are changing elusiveness for next patch

[potent pivot]

yeah i feel that

[potent pivot]

its just tooltip mumbo jumbo

don't fall into the doomer forums user trap

[spring bough]

Good cause I don’t wanna go back to cheat lol

[jaunty osprey]

we climbin 3s

[potent pivot]

so many players

see data mined tooltip changes

and insta assume nerfs every time lol

happened with CT a while back

[spring bough]

Elusiveness is too nice with the feint gcd change plus CDR on it

[potent pivot]

forums cried about "CT getting a 40% nerf"

[potent pivot]

when it didn't exist

[potent pivot]

What are we looking at 👀

[jolly sierra]

ret tho

[jaunty osprey]

i meannnnnnnn

envenom is kinda insane

[spring bough]

Ret does sick damage

[spring bough]

Hells gonna freeze over when u get envenom damage to top ur bleeds lol

[jolly sierra]

ye, just got my ret with a conq wep

did the mistake before to go with a green weapon to SS

dont do that guys lol

[potent pivot]

I’m just glad someone else finally sees it 🫡

[jaunty osprey]

these were 3 seconds

apart

if u check the death time

[potent pivot]

Now go get r1 with it

[jaunty osprey]

no1 share envenom tech outside of discord

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Feel like I need to start doing 3s to show outlaw can pump lol

But the weekend goal is blitz Grand Marshal and back in Forged Legend range lol

[wary thistle]

@jaunty osprey thanks again for the quick bit of info yesterday. dusted off my rogue for pvp for the first time in well over a decade and had a ton of fun

went from trash leveling / DF boost gear to pvp greens and a few purples in an evening, think i'm hooked now

[grave basin]

surely these are insane for rogue mogs

[jaunty osprey]

rogue in bgs

so much fun

glad u enjoyed

[grave basin]

is this like a noob friendly insta 2.1k build

[spring bough]

Let the addiction begin. Next thing you’ll know is you’re at a few hundred rounds lol

[wary thistle]

thx, I recall leaving rogue after BC because it felt kneecapped, now it's such a different game and class, love it

[grave basin]

whats the logic of not getting the capstone after supercharger and going for tea

[spring bough]

Think it’s something like 8 CP finishers > 6 CP finishers. And sin needs the energy

[jolly sierra]

how do u get that tabard fast?

ive seen is available but seems like is boring af to get

[potent pivot]

It’s barely different from the builds we’ve been running, you just get extra combo points on 2 finishers after shiv

[jaunty osprey]

you play exactly the same as always

[potent pivot]

Tea vs Forced Induction
Tea is 13.6% mastery
Forced Induction is +11% damage on an envenom or a longer duration rupture/CT

Tea might be easier if you’re not getting good bleed/poison uptime for the added energy but there’s not a big difference

[grave basin]

p[en boxes near the farm

open

you can do it on multiple toons per week

[jolly sierra]

got it, fkn tabard matches perfectly w elite

[spring bough]

You know what would be cool? If they brought back lock boxes and lock picking for rogues. And it actually had the chance for some good stuff

I know they do have some in game but it feels meh opening them lol

[potent pivot]

There were some really good ones early on

They drops high ilvl greens that lvl 70s could use

[candid tide]

ret is squishy but does hella dmg

[viscid dagger]

How’s sin/the envenom build in BGB? I usually play sub but has felt not that impactful in this patch in both shuffle and bgb (I’m also just bad)

[potent pivot]

Sin is decent in blitz

If you’re going to team fight you probably want to focus more on aoe

But if you’re gonna play similar to how sub plays then the env build is good

[candid tide]

blitz is officially dead

[spring bough]

Feel you on that. My time in Que last few nights has gone up to 30-40 min. Then I just reque and it’s usually up within the avg wait time

Or relog and reque

[jolly sierra]

tbh i stopped looting NPCs in outdoor since DF because almost always dropped fkn shit

and gold amount is minimum

in classic TW can get 30 golds with just a grey item

[spring bough]

Would be cool if they had lock boxes w chances at mogs or something. Rare BOEs that type of stuff. Just miss leveling lock picking skill after playing SOD

[jolly sierra]

ye

but we can still farm the night blade tho

(glad i already have one)

[spring bough]

It’s BOE right? Yeah ima buy that off the AH

[jolly sierra]

yeye

[spring bough]

Gotta get my $90 mount still 😂

[jolly sierra]

go in champ but watch prices in theundermine exchange before

u can get it cheaper in specific servers tho

and u have warband bank, so

[spring bough]

There any good swords/axes/fist weps BOEs that’s out right now?

[candid tide]

ai les give that a try

[jolly sierra]

teebu blades

[potent pivot]

Ginn-Su, Teebu's

[jolly sierra]

*temu blades™️

[potent pivot]

Hope Ender is pretty dope

Felsteel longblade

there aren't many axes/maces/fists that are cool on the AH imo

[jolly sierra]

nope

tbh would get the remaked teebu at first

w retextures

[spring bough]

I have all of that except Teebu cause both of those are like 700k a pop lol

[jolly sierra]

ye

check if undermine.exchange has better deals

maybe u can find it for like 100 lol

[spring bough]

These are my favorite for the DF season 2 tier set mog. Shredder plus ninja weps 🔥

[spring bough]

Bucks or gold? Lmao. I was contemplating getting the tabard of brilliance

[jolly sierra]

that can be easier

w icc quest chain

i did it twice

[spring bough]

For tabard of brilliance??

[jolly sierra]

ahhh sorry i play the game in spanish

is that one from BMAH?

[potent pivot]

ye

[spring bough]

It’s the trading card game one. You can still get it online but people sell it for like $200 lol

[jolly sierra]

got it in wod for like 15k

[spring bough]

Christ this wow trading card website says $800 who tf is buying that

[jolly sierra]

i think u need to pump hard the bids

[potent pivot]

didn't they give brilliance away as a drop

[jolly sierra]

a fkn collector which wants to keep it pristine

[spring bough]

Last year and I missed it 😭

[potent pivot]

yeah no shot it's worth $200

[spring bough]

Was that prime gaming stuff

[jolly sierra]

tbh im the kind of guy which plays w shit i collect

[spring bough]

They send you the original trading card lol

[potent pivot]

idk if i got mine from a drop or BMAH though

idr

[jolly sierra]

alongside the tabard of frost

[spring bough]

You can still get all the original trading cards

[potent pivot]

i missed frost

i got the red and yellow ones from drops

[spring bough]

I got frost missed brilliance. Waiting for flame next

[jolly sierra]

i want the black one

[potent pivot]

nvm just yellow

i got red one from bmah

[jolly sierra]

same

w White

[potent pivot]

i got the black from bmah

as well

[jolly sierra]

the black one fits well w warr t3

[spring bough]

What’s black one??

[potent pivot]

void

[jolly sierra]

tabard of void

[jolly sierra]

my fav one is the red

and personally still pull it for my xmogs

[spring bough]

I want that white one for the white season 2 set from DF. Would be so sick

[jolly sierra]

ah the white shreder

[potent pivot]

this?

[spring bough]

Yeeeee

[potent pivot]

doesn't match well imo

[jolly sierra]

nope

[spring bough]

Damn those aren’t the same hints of white

[jolly sierra]

the tabard is more milky

[spring bough]

Anyone want a spectral tiger? Wow TGC website has it for $8k dollars 😂

[potent pivot]

$8k for "we have spectral tigers at home"

Chinese servers have $265 flying spectral tigers now

[spring bough]

From the blizz store??

[potent pivot]

yeah lmao

[spring bough]

Why do they get the good stuff

[potent pivot]

i think it's classic only too

classic is huge over there

[strange stag]

how is outlaw doin in 2s and blitz ? or sub better with heal

[potent pivot]

it's doing fine

[jolly sierra]

in the aniv event for the mount parade that fkn gal pulled a spectral tiger and asked us to mimic it

[jolly sierra]

nobody pulled one and just were like "bruh"

[spring bough]

Tabard looks good on this set

[spring bough]

Thank asmongold for making Mount offs a thing lol

Oh wait can I even say his name anymore 💀

[jolly sierra]

asmonbald

[strange stag]

is there any build without CT or Fan spam ? for 2v2/3v3

[potent pivot]

define spam

fan is our strongest builder if you can hit 2 targets

[jolly sierra]

its even good in 1 target

[potent pivot]

CT is also good if you can hit 2, but it's a dot, you don't necessarily spam it

[jaunty osprey]

nah 1 target u mutilate

[potent pivot]

^

[jaunty osprey]

unless being kited

Mutilate can proc 4 cp

If it crits

On 1 target

[jolly sierra]

u can use it while disarmed

its still decent tho

[strange stag]

can i play without CT /

?

[jaunty osprey]

u can

[strange stag]

i dont really feel it

[jaunty osprey]

nowhere else to put the point

but you can

[broken otter]

Lol she looks like she's stoned

[spring bough]

did anyones blizz client completely reset today and have to scan for games??

[jolly sierra]

always

she is sniffing bamboo

[spring bough]

Got that laudanum

[nova viper]

SEEEEEEEXO

[spring bough]

Never stepping foot in an AH again cause of this brutosaur 😂

[tawny kestrel]

hey guys

[gleaming pawn]

Raz is back, what’s up

[safe pelican]

Gotta get mine tonight waiting for this wow token to sell first smh

Hooray for giving blizzard even more money

[rare iris]

I think i reached my peak rating and its very nice but also annoying cause now i almost lose every single game i play in shuffle

went from almost 2.2k back to 2k

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[spring bough]

Boys 2338 after a 5-1 first game of the night for solo shuffle

BTE overall against plate lol

[candid tide]

tf insane dam

oh its total

[spring bough]

Ended 2299 after a blitz what a sick joke

[jolly sierra]

so we have the next r1 here lol

ye our guys are the real MVPs here

[analog crater]

is it just me, or is assa pretty straight forward rotation wise?

[spring bough]

we climbing

flag return champ

[jolly sierra]

damn dude how tf u get that Ws

[spring bough]

Smacking EFC all game

[jolly sierra]

crazy

gratz

[jaunty osprey]

The goat

[rapid furnace]

Best Assa rogue Comps ?

[jolly sierra]

a healer

[spring bough]

Blitz wait times 15 mins right now 😭

[candid tide]

People leaving the game again in s1

[analog crater]

ok, havent played assa in years, when im breaking stealth, but improved garrote and carnage are active, should i be using them constantly, or the once to apply it, and then ambush?

[spring bough]

Just had a weird game and pistol was my top damage 😂

[jaunty osprey]

Important to ambush directly as ur second global

if u cheap first, ambush second

if u garrote first, ambush second

When u apply garrote

Make sure to refresh it before ur improved garrote falls off

[waxen meteor]

i thought mist is nerfed in bg?

it seems they are still running like usain bolt

i can't even chase with mount lol

so it was just the fly half court skill is removed?

[safe pelican]

Fly half court 😭

[ocean thunder]

I wonder if fatebound is worth it as assassin on shuffle. It feels that i can't handle the mark all that well, it disappears for multiple (bop/racial) reasons. I see some brave people as fatebound but i wonder if it works with assa, since it looks like stats align with outlaw only.

[gleaming pawn]

it's not worth

it's severely lacking on damage

[worthy crag]

I really regret the sockets/vicious bloodstones/enchants that I invested into my rogue

Could have made gold or used it on other classes

[waxen meteor]

just a few gold :))))

[worthy crag]

More like 120k gold

[waxen meteor]

yeah more or less

i have mine/herb at same time lol

first few weeks got quite a lot of gold without really trying hard

[safe pelican]

Yea I’m
Sick I spent all that money on my sub rogue main just to play assa and pump with less gear

I’m selling bloodstones now on my outlaw rogue just farming blitz and epic bgs 2.5k honor comes quick with epic bgs currently belf horde does pretty good with epic bgs they just suck at regular bgs lol

[grave basin]

just to confirm

outlaw is still playing with 10-15 haste right

theres no new tech this patch

[worthy crag]

Yeah I'm curious to see if anyone's actually having fun on sub

I've kinda moved on to gearing 2 hunters over playing sub at this point

[jaunty osprey]

Eh, I’d like to say fatebound isn’t bad at all

Cause if you play deathstalker and u have the mark on the healer at any point, you cant blind at all

cause it’ll break

To singular focus

Deathstalker is more advanced and fatebound is more beginner friendly

[viscid dagger]

Is there a good YouTube guide or somewhere that has sin rogue tips/how to do damage and burst? Vs talents/gear

[grave basin]

i havent enjoyed sub since the legion rework but thats just me

tolerated it abit during shadowlands but it's extremely stale at this point

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah get this

I feel the same way with outlaw after the talent revamp

The alleged best iteration of outlaw

I HATE this outlaw

CRACKSHOT SUCKS

[jolly sierra]

@spring bough made night blades match w both old and new t2

[spring bough]

Hell yeah

[grave basin]

I hate this version of frost mage with 1000000 piss roots

Atleast they're getting rid of one of the sources next patch but imo frostbite is toxic design

[radiant glen]

vulpera frost mage throws the sack at u for an 80% slow wyd

[grave basin]

Slurp it up

[radiant glen]

3 more to go

maybe a tmr angle bc queues are dead atm kinda

[grave basin]

What spec

[radiant glen]

sub

[grave basin]

Sub rogue in shuffle is peak masochism

Hope you get it

[radiant glen]

yeah i uhhh

its been a long road to 2.4

80% of the time u get trolled by ur team 90% of the time u get trolled by urself and then ur being trolled 170% of the time and how does that even work?

waffles or pancakes?

[hardy tinsel]

Can you help me get pvp rating?

[stoic spruce]

Answer the questions!

[safe pelican]

On sub though ? Well done lad bol 🤝🔺⏫

[radiant glen]

https://tenor.com/view/qeliameow-cat-paw-cats-paw-dance-gif-3807241812430059413

[dapper chasm]

It's a good start

A solid foundation

[languid ravine]

you can get trolled by multiple entities at the same time so that means let me slap those into probability calc beep boop that means you are being trolled 98% of the time

[karmic bobcat]

what's our pvp opener as sub to do the most damage now?

haven't played since we removed subterfuge in the build.

[radiant glen]

wym most dmg

[karmic bobcat]

idk i used to do shadowstrike, kidney, shadowstrike, dance, symbols+shadow, sepsis+tea, evis, cheap shot, secret, cheap evis,

but that's not a thing anymore without subterfuge

so what would be a good opener now for damage if i wanted to burst someone

after i've administered the cc

[radiant glen]

strike flag rupture dance +cds cheap evis strike sectech cheap evis

is a standard burst opener

[karmic bobcat]

kk

so u don't use kidney in opener?

[radiant glen]

usually no, but you can, u just give an extra global before the stun hits

generally speaking unless they pre-use some defensive or u don't have the cross cc quite right, they're going to have to trade a cd
and if they're going to trade early, the diff between cheap and kidney duration doesn't really matter

you don't even need the kidney duration to 100-0 tbh

so I just send on healer

[old dome]

How up to date / relevant is U.GG?

It showing this as BiS gear as sub.

https://u.gg/wow/subtlety/rogue/pvp?gameMode=2v2&hero=deathstalker

[long shore]

Grats bro, would you be okay to share your build ?

[potent pivot]

The gear looks okay I think, the builds look questionable though

[tender ember]

were there any changes regarding weap enchants? saw more rogs swaped to authority of depths recently

[potent pivot]

No changes on tuning or anything, radiant and depths are both very good

Depths is slightly more overall dmg but it’s also like a DoT, and radiant does some dmg and gives you agi buffing all of your dmg

I think if you only play sin on the char depths is okay to swap to

But if you play sin/sub prolly stay radiant

[tender ember]

in eu sub stopped existing xd

[potent pivot]

Yeah I don’t doubt it

There’s still a few in NA doing decent

[lone anvil]

I've always wondered why EU and US so different. We are all online playing the same game. Shouldn't the meta be the same

[halcyon field]

For sin, do u need a macro on pvp ?

[potent pivot]

only for focus CC

and focus step/kick, etc

[halcyon field]

so, no macro

[potent pivot]

[viscid prairie]

what are people playing instead, assa?

[potent pivot]

and outlaw

[proven field]

Are people playing outlaw though? It feels like zero dmg next to assa

[halcyon field]

someone has a good rotation for sin solo shuffle pls ?

[proven field]

I want outlaw to be good so badly - I’ve played combat since vanilla (minus a brief hemp stint) but it feels terrible right now

[potent pivot]

Yes, they are lol

Even whaazz has been playing nothing but outlaw afaik

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t get caught up on rotations, learn the priorities

[halcyon field]

yes but where ? on icy veins ?

[potent pivot]

Your biggest priorities for damage are spreading bleeds

[halcyon field]

cuz i am stuck at 1700 solo shuffle

kk

like an affliction ?

[potent pivot]

Similar to a melee version of aff kinda yeah

You still need to CC well ofc

Pay attention to stun DRs

[halcyon field]

spread bleed and cc ?

[potent pivot]

And if you play the newer supercharger build you can KB/envenom as well

[halcyon field]

i am not playing this

share the build pls ?

[potent pivot]

It’s in the pins

[halcyon field]

is better ?

[potent pivot]

You can swap between Tea/Forced Induction

[potent pivot]

I think so

[halcyon field]

i'll check

ty

[tender ember]

high xp glad, r1- outlaw

low xp- medium glad- assasination

[viscid prairie]

ty, shame outlaw is completely diff gear

[glass hazel]

may i ask a noob question 🙂 how to survive when arms sit on you 24\7? try to kite him?

as assa

[spring bough]

So I don’t know why but I thought on EOTS for blitz a flag cap gave more when you had two bases 😂

[mortal lantern]

is there any rule for using symbols in sub? do i use both in opener or just one, how is the usage?

[potent pivot]

You can kinda do 1 or 2

Just depends

[mortal lantern]

can i macro one tea and symbols in dance and use the others manually?

[potent pivot]

Wouldn’t really recommend using macros for your CDs

[mortal lantern]

when do u use dance without tea and symbols?

[potent pivot]

sometimes you press it to CC first

sap/cheaps etc

[mortal lantern]

make sense, thank u

[frozen shore]

Havent pvped on a rogue in a while and just realized they got rid of ninja capping...so sad

[potent pivot]

it's possible to do in blitz

[frozen shore]

Oh? 6s spin?

[spring bough]

3 short of grand marshal 😭

[potent pivot]

4

[frozen shore]

Sick

[languid ravine]

The Frost DK experience, Death strike every second global or you are insta dead. World champion worst pvp in spec in the game for 15 months straight title holder forever gg /deletechar

[spring bough]

BM hunter, Uh DK, or DH for PvP alt

[potent pivot]

frost was great for like

two weeks

it's a very fun spec, so sad that it's dogshit

[languid ravine]

like if I have a good round with decent set ups and cleave I still deal less single target than a BM hunter lmao

and its not even tanky anymore

[potent pivot]

warrior

[spring bough]

Fury??

[potent pivot]

either spec

[languid ravine]

what are you trying to do with the alt even

[spring bough]

Annihilate matches 😂

[languid ravine]

if you want to annihilate matches, make a healer and be afk every round

[spring bough]

Seen that new black arrow does a ton of damage for hunters

[languid ravine]

matches will never be shorter

reward function says what

[spring bough]

Fistweaver looks okay?

[languid ravine]

BM hunter is by far far far the highest braindead to ezgains ratio

[spring bough]

It is I love spamming only mouse keybinds and doing a ton of damage lol

did it yall

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

shoulder smoke for the red pvp set unlocked lets gooo

[minor bolt]

Lmao Daddyuther

[lone anvil]

@spring bough yo that's awesome man, I guess that shitty UI really ain't holding you back 😜

[molten hedge]

Lmao!!!

[dapper chasm]

Have people settled on a final sub pvp build yet?

Were all my predicitons 100% true?

[potent pivot]

idr your predictions

[dapper chasm]

that we would drop tea and subterfuge and use 7cp

[potent pivot]

people are playing an absolute slob build now

[dapper chasm]

i wish i knew what that was

[potent pivot]

tea+forced+deeper

[dapper chasm]

Mate, that's the date-r*** build

[dapper chasm]

I kinda enjoyed life without tea

[potent pivot]

now that flag got nerfed

that's basically the only build that does enough dam

[dapper chasm]

Flag got nerfed?

[potent pivot]

yes

[dapper chasm]

Well, I never liked it

[potent pivot]

mastery from flag got nerfed by 50% in pvp

and you still have to run it

[dapper chasm]

That's still worth it

50% sounds worse than it is

[potent pivot]

it's -30% mastery or something

[dapper chasm]

It's still a chunk during down time

Flag was never the star of the show

[potent pivot]

-37.5% mastery

compared to before

[dapper chasm]

Yeah

I get it, but I'm saying the remains of flag, battered and beaten, are still worth having

Stop living in the past

[potent pivot]

unfortunately you just don't any dam without it

[dapper chasm]

Move on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3XYsTbgei0

[potent pivot]

press N. click better spec. yes.

[dapper chasm]

OVERCUM

https://tenor.com/view/cool-serious-dancers-funny-shoulder-dancing-comedy-gif-13650018

[spring bough]

time to get out a BM hunter

[lone anvil]

Everyone must answer

(I'm Junior)

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1105617598331461830

[spring bough]

BM hunter pumps in honor gear

this is gonna be ez mode lol

black arrow is so good lmao

[jolly sierra]

crazy

as advice

join rated with a purple wep

if u do it with a green one, u will regret it, word

[languid ravine]

Got the weirdest bug, I cant see any other players except for some enemies, rest are invisible too

in blitz BG

[potent pivot]

o.O

[earnest forge]

how very bad would it be to use my mastery geared rogue as outlaw? 😄

[potent pivot]

it's not terrible

it's playable

[earnest forge]

I dont really want to level a second rogue and feel like 4 hooks in bg is broken

[potent pivot]

second rogue would be the optimal thing

but it's w/e if you aren't trying to push crazy high in arena

blitz barely depends on your stats and builds

[earnest forge]

I see

imagine individual pieces of gear not requiring conquest again after buying it once <.<

[potent pivot]

well crafted gear can be recrafted pretty easily

[earnest forge]

yeah but weapons

[potent pivot]

what about weapons

[earnest forge]

wouldnt I want 1h as outlaw

[potent pivot]

if you bought 2 crit/vers daggers with the tokens

[earnest forge]

instead of dagg

[potent pivot]

you use dagger offhand

as outlaw

[earnest forge]

wait, that's not false

then yeah I can use the spare weapon token on it

[potent pivot]

you have a spare?

[earnest forge]

I crafted a dagger and bought another

[potent pivot]

then yeah why wouldn't you buy a 1h for outlaw

[earnest forge]

cause I somehow thought I needed double 1h

but not paniking anymore that hard, besides the suboptimal stats

[potent pivot]

recraft your crafted gear

if you do that you should be pretty well off

[earnest forge]

yeh that could work but then Im not recrafting gear everytime I want to switch specs

while mainly playing sub

[potent pivot]

oh

[jaunty osprey]

Wait how do outlaw rogues use 4x hook

[potent pivot]

thought you were hard swapping or something mb

[jaunty osprey]

Oh

fatebound

[potent pivot]

everyone plays fatebound yeah

[jaunty osprey]

ya

I just forgot that it isnt shadowstep

[glossy pivot]

outlaw bis for solo shuff?

[earnest forge]

faster caps in game

[jaunty osprey]

Cause they removed it for outlaw

[potent pivot]

nah, all 3 are good for shuffle

[glossy pivot]

ok dope ive been outta the pvp game since shadowlands

ima just stick with sub than

[jaunty osprey]

outlaw controls the game a lot and should be good at higher ratings for shuffle

[potent pivot]

whichever spec you play best, will give the best results fosho

[earnest forge]

in stuff like eye of the storm you can get to the enemy part of the map before they can cap right now

[glossy pivot]

i tuned into a pikaboo stream last night and he was just flaming sub so i didnt know if he was memeing or it was actually turds

[earnest forge]

which is huge in sweat lobbies

[potent pivot]

it's struggling a bit right now after some changes and nerfs

but it's still viable

you're kinda forced to play Flag

and supercharger/forced induction

[earnest forge]

Im positive feral being really good is what makes people cry over rogue state, not rogue state itself

[glossy pivot]

if all else fails i go assassination and zug

[languid ravine]

it happened again

[potent pivot]

are all of your addons updated?

and are you able to still press abilities and have them go off? maybe it's internet problem related

[tawdry imp]

i'm in dornogal and it's absolutely empty

i saw a post about this on reddit earlier too

given this patch this is all expected behaviour

[torpid swan]

Anyone know when conquest cap is gonna be removed?

[potent pivot]

week 10

[torpid swan]

O shit

Thats coming up

[spring bough]

Having to earn 2500 conquest on alts before weapons sucks lol

Should be some warband bypass 😭

Gonna make 3 crafted on my BM neck and rings tho lol

[potent pivot]

it's not too bad tbh

just slam a bunch of 2s

[spring bough]

yeah doing all the weekly quests now

2k to go lol

no bloody token world quests today either lol

[potent pivot]

yeah idk why there's even WQs that give shit gear

just let them give tokens every time

[hidden moth]

Thinking of making a 2nd rogue for horde side. thoughts on race? rn im thinking orc or undead for the 20% stun duration reduction and the shorter trinket for fear effects but not sure if other races are viable

[languid ravine]

The Frost DK experience: try to farm conquest to get your Unholy weapon to respec but you go 0-6 every round because your teammate dies even while you grip stun and slow everything for 50 seconds

(you dont get conquest for 0 wins)

[potent pivot]

if you really want a horde rogue i'd say orc for sure

[spring bough]

BM is ridic in 2s

black arrow doing more than my pets rn

cant wait for a wep so the pet damage gets a huge boost