pvp

[worthy crag]

This whole pvp crafting thing unknowingly put me in a spot with too little vers lmao

Like chasing the max mastery dream and being squishy af

[potent pivot]

yeah you kinda have to keep a piece or two of conq gear

[clever scaffold]

Is outlaw a difficult spec to pick up? Never played it and thinking about trying it out

[safe pelican]

Same same

Not tryna get too
sweaty just dipping my toe 🤣

[potent pivot]

yes and no. it's very button spammy.

but you pretty much send everything on CD.

[jolly sierra]

XD

[worthy crag]

Its difficult if you have to care about your finger joints

[stoic spruce]

Lots to track as well

In practice though its easy

[lunar granite]

at this point i played over 100 bg blitz games across multiple chars. i've never had one single singular monk that turbo carried the flag, but the enemy monk somehow ALWAYS does it. u can't convince me i'm not living in a simulation

[jolly sierra]

im totally agreeing with you in this one

[potent pivot]

it doesn't work anymore so dw :d

[analog crater]

so what kind of shape is outlaw in overall? feel like i come up against assa rogues and im getting killed a lot easier then they are.

[potent pivot]

Outlaw is good

You should live way longer than an assa rogue

[analog crater]

im also still in honor gear so im sure that is playing a part into it

[potent pivot]

Yeah you’re gonna feel pretty squishy until you start getting more conq level gear

[austere swift]

my fellow americans

im trying to do the skirmish quest but i feel useless

like actually useless

like im made out of wet tissue brandishing daggers made from twigs

[jolly sierra]

why u are just talking w americans that

bruh

[rain beacon]

I'm NA but most people on this discord is EU.

[stoic spruce]

Yall are weird for that btw

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot im trying this

[potent pivot]

word

[jaunty osprey]

no tea no vigort

LOL

[molten hedge]

Assa has things feral doesn’t. But point taken

[potent pivot]

tf do i do with all the hween stuff in my bags

[jolly sierra]

look a chad

[analog crater]

is sub's playstyle pretty similar to how its been the last few years?

[analog crater]

feeling this way myself atm. doing no where near as much dmg, and dying a lot

like, not entirely sure what im doing wrong, but this has been pretty consistent.

[safe pelican]

Decent shuffs today 4-2/ quit after going 0-3 😎/ 6-0 / 5-1 time for some outlaw

[analog crater]

should i be using GS or BtE first in my opener?

[potent pivot]

Why wouldn’t you GS?

[analog crater]

still rather new to outlaw.

[potent pivot]

Iirc GS is off global now

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[potent pivot]

You should be able to press ADR/GS in your opener without delaying your GCDs

[analog crater]

i guess maybe i need to learn the proper opening lol.. how should it be going?

[potent pivot]

Rtb while in stealth

You can ADR in stealth but have to be careful not to have anyone targeted

Then either Sap someone and Kidney someone or Sap and open on someone

Just don’t use BtE from stealth or it bugs out iirc

[analog crater]

ok, i guess one major thing i was doing wrong was the order of BtE, GS and KS

[potent pivot]

Then just GS and starting using ambush and BtE

As soon as your Crackshot window is over use KS

Then you’re just spamming strikes/dispatch etc

BtE on CD, basically everything on CD

Use Vanishes for more Crackshot windows

[analog crater]

idk, i just feel like im struggling to actually do damage.

[potent pivot]

Outlaw isn’t really about doing big damage

It’s tanky and has rogue utility

[worthy crag]

pray for double melee lobby so you can blade flurry for #1 dmg

[safe pelican]

I’m convinced outlaw is the bg spec

I Have a blast everytime i play it in bg not playing it in arena running assa there, but when you have a good healer in a bg as outlaw so you can get that uptime with adr and really catch a good run of carpal tunnel it’s great

[daring ibex]

What is the bug about ? Doesn't refresh CD ?

[potent pivot]

idr

check the bug command in #outlaw

[lone anvil]

When you guys open on assination in arena do you open with rupture to get the AoE rupture out of stealth and save kidney for when you go for the kill later

Or

Do you open cheap --> garrote --> ambush --> cheap --> kidney

[potent pivot]

You have a long time to rupture aoe

You almost never want to kidney after cheap. Bad bad bad.

[lone anvil]

So kidney off rip to try and get a trinket early?

Ooooh okay meow

[potent pivot]

Not unless it’s on a different target

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

Ok ok

[potent pivot]

DRing a kidney is kind of a waste

[lone anvil]

I gotcha

[potent pivot]

Unless you just have no other choice

DRing*

[lone anvil]

Cats

[languid ravine]

-queue dungeon as tank at 5am
-3 dps are afk
-gets kicked instead of the healer who pressed ONE heal over 30 seconds duration (not an exaggeration)

good luck then I guess

[jolly sierra]

@stoic spruce

look a nerd outfit

from wow official FB fanpage

[potent pivot]

is that a costume?

[jolly sierra]

ye

dwarf sized

[potent pivot]

i mean it's for a kid or somethin ye?

wait does that shit say library card

[jolly sierra]

ye

XD

[potent pivot]

glasses, jacket, backpack, library card, clumsy teenager

[jolly sierra]

seems like they are fully aware about orgrim coomhammer posts in IG

[jolly sierra]

goals

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot ok i did shuffles on my main rogue for science

supercharger bleed spec with coin

not bad

[potent pivot]

plz say it's dog shit

[jaunty osprey]

obviously the overall meters

were worse

but

i'd randomly

proc on someone

[potent pivot]

did you use Inevitability?

[jaunty osprey]

nonstop

nope

cant grab

cold blood

with super charge

no vigor feels so bad

[potent pivot]

ah yeah i forgot

[jaunty osprey]

i tried without vigor

[potent pivot]

that you were running super

yeah no vigor feels ass on almost all specs

[jaunty osprey]

also, are you eu or oce or smth

[potent pivot]

sub can barely pull it off

[jaunty osprey]

why are you always up so late

[potent pivot]

lool

my sleep schedule is often fried as fuck

i've got insomnia so i'll be up for like 36 hours at a time then sleep a lot

[wide epoch]

As a sub rogue in PvP, is having a sword off-hand a big dps loss?

[potent pivot]

it's not a huge dps loss, but it is a good bit worse these days

[wide epoch]

solely because of the combo points generation still?

[potent pivot]

combo point gen, energy gen, etc

shadow tech is different now

[wide epoch]

I see, thanks! Wanted to see if I can get away with it for style points

[potent pivot]

and we're using Shadowcraft as well which just compounds how important it is by even more

[thick slate]

how is outlaw doing in solo shuffle at the moment ?

[potent pivot]

it's okay

[crude lintel]

Hey guys, im new to pvp as assa. I already farmed conquest gear, but I still see a lot of space for improvement skill-wise. First of all, I'd like to ask - is it still possible to dish out your whole rotation, without breaking stun lock? And second - what are your macros, and do you use assa specific macros?

[potent pivot]

You don’t really need any macros for assa

Just the same kind of focus CC macros everyone else uses

[gusty hedge]

Blizzard so nice with the Vacation they gave me. Will be back standing over bodies soon enough

[hardy tinsel]

Do you feint in pvp?

and when do you use it

[languid ravine]

when you want to reduce damage taken for a short duration

[mint mauve]

Recently started unrated arena 2v2 as sub, wondering if it is normal to get absolutely gobsmacked by paladins/dk's?

[languid ravine]

paladins yes dk no

[mint mauve]

Like, I sap,gouge, kick, blind, rotate finishes, idk wtf im supposed to do lol

[languid ravine]

and also only yes-ish you can win if you cloak hoj and get clean restealths

[mint mauve]

I see, have to play around that more

is it worth getting that skill-cap training stuff for learning arena/pvp?

[lyric onyx]

I’d personally just watch streamers for free and learn off them

[golden crypt]

Which streamer plays assassination?🤔

[lyric onyx]

Shadenox on YouTube for assassination

They add text explaining their reasoning for plays really helps you understand

I climbed to 2700 on sin and I’d attribute a lot of that to learning from shade

[golden crypt]

Thank you mate 😇

[potent pivot]

Whaazz, Palumor, pikaboo. Quite a few.

[lyric onyx]

Just not nahj

Nahj hates sin

[potent pivot]

He will if he absolutely has to

Feral is just a better rogue so that ain’t happening rn

[golden crypt]

I never catched whaaz playing Assa but I'll keep an eye

[lyric onyx]

But he won’t be happy about it

[mint mauve]

how you guys feel about sub in pvp?

[potent pivot]

He’s played it a lot

[potent pivot]

Still viable to a degree

[lyric onyx]

Steeper learning curve but powerful once you get it down

[mint mauve]

with a learning curve you mean a wall or stairs?

[potent pivot]

[lyric onyx]

Lmaoo

[mint mauve]

sorry lol, got my ass kicked too hard last night

[potent pivot]

It’s one of the hardest specs in the game in pvp

[lyric onyx]

Not really a “pick up and play” kinda spec

But playing sub makes you so aware of a lot of essential PvP mechanics cos you need to be so aware of DRs and stuff like that

[fervent cobalt]

whats the outlaw rotation out of stealth?

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

I talked about it a bit there

[fervent cobalt]

thanks imma test it right now

[mint mauve]

What are DR's?

[fervent cobalt]

juust levled up 3rd rogue

[potent pivot]

Diminishing returns

[mint mauve]

ohh right, yea 2nd of anything is like cut in 4?

kick turns into a wrist slap 😆

[potent pivot]

Naw

1 stun is full duration
2nd is 1/2 duration
3rd is 1/4 duration
4th gets immunes
Every time a CC is over, it starts a timer for diminishing returns
You have to wait until that timer is finished before restunning if you want a full duration stun

This goes for almost all CC, with a couple exceptions

[mint mauve]

ohh is that timer always the same?

[fervent cobalt]

yes

20 seconds

[mint mauve]

ohhh

well thats an eye opener

are stuns shared or unique?

like cheap shot > kick chain

[lyric onyx]

Each type of CC shares a DR .. so all stuns are on stun dr, blinds on a blind dr, etc etc

If a paladin HoJ’s someone then you cheap shot your cheap will be 1/2

[long shore]

how long is kidney shot in PVP these days?

and how long is maim in PVP ?(feral stun)

[potent pivot]

5s

[long shore]

HOJ is also 5s or 6s?

i cant get used to 30s kidney as assas, feels like im waiting 8seconds more before i kidney again

[potent pivot]

6 iirc?

[long shore]

thats kinda unfair how HOJ is 6 and kidney is 5s :/

and feral maim is also 5s but on a shorter CD

[candid tide]

every class has a kidney shot now

[potent pivot]

Think hoj is also like 45s cd or some shit

So not really a big deal I don’t think

[long shore]

i see. i tried the Vigor Spec in BGs and didnt really like it

losing subterfuge and double vanish just feels so squishy

and harder to peel off from fights

but running without Vigor also ends up being so energy starved 😦

[potent pivot]

If you’re talking about sub you only really need energy when it matters

[mint mauve]

The pvp guide says that it is more common to give up vanish and take vigor

though, that is high elo, not sure if that is good for unrated-low elo

I mean, these guides; https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/3v3#stat-priority

[frozen shore]

is there a big difference between assassination and subtlety, playstyle wise in pvp?

[mint mauve]

i think ass is more dots and sub burst

outlaw seems a circus act with their grapple

[frozen shore]

gotcha, so ass probably plays a longer game whereas sub looks for openings

[mint mauve]

grossly simplified, might want to ask others too

[frozen shore]

heard

[mint mauve]

anyone knows how a DH can lock on me in stealth?

[potent pivot]

ye they have an ability to see stealthies

[mint mauve]

thanks, so much stuff to learn lol

What stats for conquest gear on sub? vers/mast or haste/vers?

[potent pivot]

check the popular items on murlok.io

you want vers/mast crafted pvp gear, pvp tier set

use the free weapon tokens on crit/vers daggers for right now

etc

[jaunty osprey]

Hoj is 30 now

Baseline w the talent

[potent pivot]

then what buddy was saying kinda stands

they've got less cc overall though

[mint mauve]

Some of the bis are greens for some reason?

instead of conquest 🤔

[potent pivot]

nop

[mint mauve]

Like, forged warmonger jerkin?

https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/3v3#gear

[potent pivot]

all their gear is purple

[mint mauve]

oh hmm guess idk how to interpret it derp

[potent pivot]

algari gear is crafted pvp gear

tier set is pvp tier

the rest is conq gear and wpvp gear

[mint mauve]

ahh thats all crafted

[potent pivot]

the forged warmonger is wpvp

[mint mauve]

forgot world pvp has gear

[mortal jay]

Purple glowing gear is the 1800 elite transmit

For rogues anyway

[waxen meteor]

Man epic bg without nodes is so boring

been just sitting and watching people casting at each other

[mortal jay]

I hate epic bgs. I’m rocking a gt 1030. It hurts

[lone anvil]

My frame frames hit single digits on that Winters Grasp sunken ring fight and that Isle Of Conquest Docks fight lol

😎

[mortal jay]

I genuinely can’t do anything but run in 1 frame at a time into team fights and spam press fok

[candid tide]

modern day epic bg is unplayable

especially ashran

[mortal jay]

I’m thinking about upgrading the card just a little bit 1050 or 1065. But I don’t know hardware so I’m afraid I’ll get the wrong size. Or not compatible. Or need a new psu

[candid tide]

my 3080 barely manage ashran

tbh it cant run it

dont think any card can

[mortal jay]

I don’t really care about epics. I ran a few just to get the conquest from quest. But I’m conquested out.

But getting a frame or two more in arenas might prove useful

[candid tide]

u can do better than a 1000s series?

atleast get a 3060 or some

2nd hand

[mortal jay]

Would need a new psu I think

And would bottle neck at the processor at that point

[candid tide]

man a 5600 cost 90 bucks or some

u cant spare?

[mortal jay]

Not going to get that deep into upgrading a 4 year pc.

Just a tiny upgrade. Then save up for a year or 5 for whole new build

[candid tide]

5 year for a new build

dang thats tough

[mortal jay]

lol. Minor exaggeration. But I work in a factory/warehouse. live alone. Etc. I’m poor

To be fair I did play rust at about 15 fps for a while. On 640x480 resolution. lol

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot why do so many assa’s play Doomblade? The damage is very small. Am I missing something?

[mortal jay]

I haven’t seen an arena build with it. Maybe they think the added bleed ticking into energy regen is worth? I can’t see it being worth it either

[jaunty osprey]

If they play sbs, they have to play doomblade

[molten hedge]

Ok

That leads me to next question

[jaunty osprey]

or they haven’t realized that MA got buffed with Subterfuge, or they don’t take Crimson Tempest

[molten hedge]

Is SBS worth?

Yeah I play MA and Kingsbane

[jaunty osprey]

different playstyles for diff folks

SBS provides passive damage, and extra combo point generation

[molten hedge]

SBS and DB just seem like virtually nothing to me

But I’m new to rogue

Extra CP just one time right

[jaunty osprey]

Less buttons to press as well (some people like this)

No

Every time you have a charge and you rupture

[molten hedge]

Once per spike right?

Yeah

[jaunty osprey]

So when you AOE rupture openers

You instantly refill your CPs too

And can send a kidney or CT

So it’s useful, just different playstyles

[molten hedge]

Yeah I hear that. Ok thanks for explaining

[sterile vale]

when do you press DM on shuffle with so many physical immunities and teammates palas with blinding light?

[jaunty osprey]

Paladins should all be playing rep

just politely ask them if they can play rep instead and spam rep the enemy healer so they cant grief ur dm

[molten hedge]

My friend told me some good tips for that. You can bait using Dmark to get a racial and then they can’t trinket for like a short time

[sterile vale]

tbh i tried BM hunter and i shamelessly scatter shot a DM

[jaunty osprey]

yeah hunters are the worst

They don’t care about

your bleeds

they’ll scatter off of a kidney

just cause they can

[sterile vale]

that's a good idea

[molten hedge]

Or use dmark on off target to bait then step kidney bomb the real KT

Just playing games with pallys bc some just hit a button the second they see dmark

At lower rating where I’m at around 2.2k

[sterile vale]

My holy pala panic blinding light the whole enemy team -> me on copium

Yeah I will try those. Otherwise I was thinking maybe keep DM for when someone drops 40% for exsanguinate

[molten hedge]

Assa stocks are already rising with a few less hpals around with MW being slightly juiced

I try to keep hpals bleeding too bc they can be a good kill target after bop/bubble especially if no trinket

[jaunty osprey]

Or you can force their trinket easily by predotting them and sending a random kidney and

When they try to refresh tyr’s just babysit them

[molten hedge]

Searing glare sucks lol. I’m working on my awareness to step kick it. What’s the range on it? I may just need to range it

[lone anvil]

So I have a friend I usually heal for in 2s when he wants to conquest cap his dps. I'll heal his warrior, his DK, his mage and we always have like a 2 win to 1 loss ratio.

Yesterday I had him return the favor and heal for my rogue.

We lost against everyone. We lost against 2 destruction warlocks. We lost against an affliction lock + ret paladin ,(seemingly winnable games since they didn't have heals)

Now I'm not the best rogue so I don't fully blame him. But there would be games where we were fighting a DPS + a healer and he would be dying to a single DPS and unable to keep himself up.

And rather than kiting a pillar so I could peel he was kiting away from me so I had to use all of my mobility skills (if I had any off CD) to try and peel

I've never played disc priest but no healer should be dying to a single DPS unless it's 5 min into the map and high dampening, right?

[gleaming pawn]

Correct, sorry but your friend is a shitty disc priest

Were they just trying to heal, or were they doing damage and healing through atonement?

Straight healing is bait and you need to be doing damage as disc especially in 2s

[lone anvil]

OOF.....I usually just afk max distance heal and don't dps when I'm in 2s. I had a 3000 XP player telling me just to focus on max distance, Pillar hump, max healing, dispelling CCs and don't focus on crowd control or damage yet. (Cause I'm new)

I'm far from someone to take notes from but I've gotten to 1600 so far doing that

This priest would not be able to get to 1200

[gleaming pawn]

Priest in general is really weak to CC, and their only CC is melee range so you gotta cross the map. So unless your partner is able to set you up well, you just don’t go for screams so that’s fine

[lone anvil]

Awww that's true

[sterile vale]

we still use wound poison over deadly poison right?

[gleaming pawn]

But disc healing is really weak, the healing penance does to your ally is shit compared to using on an enemy when an ally/you have atonement on them

[gleaming pawn]

In most all cases yes

[lone anvil]

Is disc priest best 2s partner for assassination rogue rn

[gleaming pawn]

Pres and Hpal are also good, but yes Disc is just very strong in 2s period

Because they can go full dps and add a ton of damage all match. But especially during go’s

[orchid plinth]

I'm think Voidweaver Disc with Haste focus instead of mastery like Oracle is considered the best. If you really wanna go all in on 2s specific.

[lone anvil]

Tyvm kippuns

[gleaming pawn]

Oracle is still doing a lot of damage though. You spread your dot around or through penance on your target, Mindblast, etc

Basically, if you’re stuck straight healing you’re on your way to losing

[lone anvil]

So I heal on resto druid. And I can just heal all game and never dps and still win. It sounds like disc doesn't have the same kind of throughput as resto? So they need to compensate with damage too?

[gleaming pawn]

Disc does most of their healing through damage

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[gleaming pawn]

Flash Heal doesn’t heal for shit, and burns mana like crazy. Penance does meh healing, but is good as damage > atonement

But yes you’ve got the idea, Disc is different from the other healers because they can just sit back and heal only

[candid tide]

nahhh i stg 100% precog is bugged the hell out rn

[gleaming pawn]

It’s why Disc is generally either really good, or shit tier depending on how Blizz has atonement healing tuned that season

[candid tide]

if u kick landed precog still procs..

[lone anvil]

(usually good though right?)

[gleaming pawn]

Honestly it usually gets nerfed early on, so it’s mid usually

[lone anvil]

I can't remember a time rogue/mage/priest wasn't a thing in the two decades of this game

[gleaming pawn]

This season has been a high, while Holy is instead mid at best

[candid tide]

in DF end season rogues were bad iirc

[lone anvil]

Holy pally is easily the most played healer outside of disc. Is that cause its stronger than other specs like Shaman, druid, monk and priest or just because it's easy to play for the thumbless

[candid tide]

its because of instant life savers and op heal crits

[gleaming pawn]

Hpal’s defensives are super strong. Usually the only thing keeping them down is how fast they burn through mana

[gleaming pawn]

But their mana bar might as well not exist right now, and their healing is high and mostly instant so it’s an easy go to

Also fuck repentance spam, no idea how that got through the idea phase

[lone anvil]

God it's horrible

I sit in that shit all game long on my healer

[sterile vale]

does the new echoing reprimand work for you guys? I see no buff whatsoever

[gleaming pawn]

It empowers your combo points, no more buff

[lone anvil]

I 6-0'd a disc priest last night. It's my crown gem right now

[gleaming pawn]

Nice

That poor disc, that’s a shitty lobby to have to heal

[lone anvil]

Yeah for sure. The mage wasn't that good. Kept LoSing both healers on both sides But the DK shaman and rogue were all very solid

[lime oar]

https://youtu.be/PDKG4i-ewa4?si=l5NVXw39wF8StPrk

If anyone needs opener advice ^

[sterile vale]

What does that mean? Don't I have to know which combo point is empowered or how many applications there are left?

[lone anvil]

My least favorite lobbies to heal are 4x ranged dps lobbies.

If I get a lobby with an MM, a shadow priest, a frost mage and an ele shaman I accept defeat

I like healing lobbies with 2 melee and 2 ranged or even 4 melee is fine

[gleaming pawn]

Do you use a weak aura to display your combo points, or do you use the base UI/nameplates

[lone anvil]

Give me a warrior, ret, DK, rogue lobby any day

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah that would be shitty for a Resto Druid, too much dispel and burst

[sterile vale]

Yeah I got Shadowed unit frames and WAs. Basically I can't see much of the blizz ui

[gleaming pawn]

You have to update your combo points to show which ones are “empowered” now

[mint mauve]

Reddit on rogues: "2.8k ss multi legend
Imagine being the fucking loser irl who play this." 🤣

[sterile vale]

Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea 😦

[gleaming pawn]

It’s easy depending on how your weak aura has them setup. Some of the big packs do some weird shit to get the combo points working and that makes adding the empower bit much harder

[jolly sierra]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBuGFg_NXR7/?igsh=MWpiN2Q1eGF1d2p0MA==

i hate those shitheads

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[mint mauve]

Which part?

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[jolly sierra]

the running tank

i usually get killed because the fucker just pulls without holding the aggro

[hexed crow]

Man the death stalker burst he talks about doesn't stun till 4th global, sounds rough lol

[safe pelican]

Yea i feel like opening with a stun is a staple in subtlety’s playstyle but it does do more dam

To push assa today or to “ push “ outlaw in rbgs , quotations because i have absolutely no idea what im doing in bgs as rogue

Where can i learn what my duties should be in each bg as a rogue ?? Arena rat never played rated bgs until this xpac

Familiar with WSG but idk how to play to win the battlegrounds

[candid tide]

in blitz ull just cc everything that goes on ur EFC

after thats secured go assasinate their efc

[safe pelican]

So stop anyone preventing us from scoring on flag maps

[candid tide]

oh ye and theres base captures

ninja caps all day

eots is secure bases first then flag after

[lime oar]

Yeah ngl kinda makes me want to take trickster simply for the ease of play. Lot more relaxed

[jaunty osprey]

opening with a stun doesnt work most of the time as a rogue cause the enemy team will just stun you and now you wasted DRs

it works to do his rotation cause they’ll waste drs on you and random shit

then you can send

[mortal jay]

Climbed a bit more in solo today. The higher I climb the more imposter syndrome I feel 😦

Just went 5/1 in a match. And still question myself 😦

[lone anvil]

What is best 3s team rn for DK @potent pivot

[jaunty osprey]

Bm hunter or arms warrior work well w it

anything with a mortal strike effect

[spring bough]

sorry been out of internet for two days. OUTLAW PUMPS

[candid tide]

they gotta delete hunters man

it makes no sense

[lone anvil]

Is double melee or double ranged optimal? I thought ranged + melee was usually ideal

[jaunty osprey]

Well DK is melee

so you can never be double ranged

[lone anvil]

Im talking about a general rule

I thought healer/melee/ranged dps was the best formula for success

Most of the successful AWC teams run one ranged and one melee

[jaunty osprey]

Each comp has its strength and weaknesses.

Rogues typically play with a ranged

Dks/warriors/enhancement shamans/ww monks typically play w melees

[lone anvil]

A few tried double melee or double ranged idk how well they did

Warrior/ele thunder cleave is OP

[jaunty osprey]

There is no general rule of 2x ranged or 2x melee or melee+ranged, it’s how strong certain comps are into others

AWC was all feral spriest hpal

[lone anvil]

Well

F tier did WW/ele.
Echo did rogue/warlock

Alot of teams did jungle

Alot did feral/mage

Or feral Spriest

I think if you play double melee your susceptible to being kited

[spring bough]

First game back after two days out. 4-2. Up to 2184 in solo shuffle. Outlaw pumping

[lone anvil]

So having one melee and 1 ranged gives you more counter play options and less hard counters

[spring bough]

1.2 million normal BTE looks so crazy 😂

[lone anvil]

I saw 1 team doing double melee in AWC. They played feral/rogue and I don't know how well they did

I think they won some

[jaunty osprey]

Not necessarily, kiting isn’t a thing anymore

[lone anvil]

They weren't horrible

[jaunty osprey]

Every class has mobiloty

mobility* and slows

[lone anvil]

I mean when my rogue doesn't have shadow step or sprint up and I'm 1v1ng a mage away from a pillar I certainly feel vulnerable

[jaunty osprey]

It’s all about specific comp vs comp matchups

Dont look at it as melee vs ranged

[lone anvil]

Im just saying when you take a look at a majority of comps

[jaunty osprey]

Well 1v1 is a bit different. But rogue wins that 100% of the time

lol

[lone anvil]

It's almost always 1 melee with 1 ranged in top comps

[lone anvil]

False lol. Frost mages fuck me over all day every day

Unless it's a bad mage

[jaunty osprey]

Well i don’t why you replied to me and ask if you’re set on the way you see things

And yes, I’ve never lost a 1v1 to a mage ever as a rogue

[lone anvil]

I asked because I wanted an explanation as to why arms/unholy would be strong when double melee is almost never seen

[jaunty osprey]

Double melee is seen a lot

Unholy DK has no MS

arms warrior has MS

they both have insane pressure and DKs counter casters

[lone anvil]

I wanted you to convince me beyond the knowledge I already have

[jaunty osprey]

and keep them perma slowed

warriors have insane mobility and stuns and damage

and MS

[lone anvil]

How many stuns do warriors have

[jaunty osprey]

DKs can AMS their partners

shockwave stormbolt

[lone anvil]

Also I tagged Trickz in my initial question not you and you responded. So I could legitimately say "I never asked for your take" if I was trying to be rude. But I am thankful for the discussion. But don't flame me for pushing back a little and challenging your advice

[jaunty osprey]

I mean I kept saying that it’s really comp vs comp dependant and you weren’t really trying to discuss more

3s is a chess game

[gleaming pawn]

They are one of the top rated ladder rogues in NA right now. They are more than qualified

[jaunty osprey]

Never flamed you!! Dw, it’s all good

Was just tryna explain to you that everything is very situational

some comps beat other comps 100% of the time, if you follow a script

there is no healer/ranged/melee rule

It’s all comp vs comp

some double melee comps beat some ranged melee ones and vice versa

[wary thistle]

Any tips on picking up assassination in bg's? Guides, videos, whatever. Played rogue main and did a lot of bg's back in vanilla & arenas in BC, but haven't touched it much since. I pvp main a hunter now and did a bit in SL as well, kinda want something different.

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw mostly go healer in 2s?

[jaunty osprey]

Blitz or BGs?

[spring bough]

Probably yeah

[wary thistle]

Rando bg's for the chill factor, blitz and rbg may be the eventual goal

[spring bough]

Can def take a healer out

[jaunty osprey]

Rando bgs

Do big damage in teamfights

dot everyone

[wary thistle]

I got filtered into mmr purgatory right before 1800 on my hunter unfortunately

[jaunty osprey]

and fan of knives spam

and keep Crimson Tempest up

[orchid plinth]

Dad gamer slowly climbing... Had a really good 5-1 lobby where I p00ped an Assa rogue over and over, felt good

[gleaming sentinel]

ty sir

[jaunty osprey]

Sudden demise will kill a lot of people in BGs. It’s v fun

[wary thistle]

Excellent, thanks!

[jaunty osprey]

Use wound poison as well

[wary thistle]

Arenas are fun to dabble with but yea bg's have kinda always been my choice

[jaunty osprey]

some rogues dont in BGs, but it’s a difference maker

everyone just rots and dies at the same time, and now that you have 12 seconds improved garrote and IC make sure u spread bleeds like crazy when u first open

[spring bough]

I just did 8 million healing to myself in a 2s skirm

[wary thistle]

Sweet, thanks dude! I'll give my rogue a go again

[spring bough]

2256 solo shuffle after a 6-0

Pally said “outlaw overturned” sshshhhhhhhhh

[jaunty osprey]

Supercharge gamer

[gleaming pawn]

Quit trying to get Outlaw nerfed. Popo will cry

[jaunty osprey]

i still gotta try it

[spring bough]

It’s amazing

Wait till u see this clip

[jaunty osprey]

ya you were telling me a few days ago

sucks that I have to gear another rogue for it

cause fuck my vers mast

[olive ember]

when do you use flag?

on sub

[potent pivot]

Right before spending combo points on a finisher

[olive ember]

so in like 35% range?

[potent pivot]

Then you have to spend 30 points to fully build it

[potent pivot]

No

[olive ember]

oh nvm i know what you meant

[potent pivot]

Flag isn’t a big damage button

It takes time to ramp up

The proper usage of it is pretty different than regular sub

[potent pivot]

It’s probably the fastest time to do it rn

Leveling with the anniversary event buff/timewalking and the Halloween event

[jaunty osprey]

I have a rogue levelled, I just don’t wanna cap conq 😭

Rogue feels so bad in greens

[potent pivot]

It’s pretty quick if you can get a homie healer to queue 2s with ya

Other than that though yeah it can be a bit of a slog

[supple adder]

those pinned talents are updated ? I was searching some rogue assassination and they dont use kingbane, sry if is a dumb question i'm new

[lone anvil]

I can heal for you on my resto druid @jaunty osprey and get you capped sometime just let me know

2s is really fast

[gleaming pawn]

They were updated for 11.0.5, but they need tweaking again. Kingsbane is a choice, a lot of Rogues are running it right now. Some are still going for the rot style

[supple adder]

thank you so much

[lone anvil]

Is there a website where I can look up win rate/percentages of certain comps in 2v2 and 3v3 arena

I have this guy who messaged me every day I'm on trying to run arena and he always wants to run double DPS in 2s lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah just check murlok as seiji said I need to fix them

[lone anvil]

And I want to show him hard proof that double DPS will hit a wall and fall off cause he doesn't believe me

[supple adder]

oh cool which site is it ? Ijust started going to pvp so it's world pvp and arena

[potent pivot]

Drustvar iirc

[jolly sierra]

if u are assa just tell him u need a healer because u cant survive by urself

[potent pivot]

For the comp thing

[jolly sierra]

end of conversation

[supple adder]

thank you

[gleaming pawn]

Double dps is pretty meh outside of Rogue/Mage. after a certain point you just don’t have the burst to get past high rated duos and most double dps doesn’t have the reset/kite potential of R/M

Not that that helps you with the requested win rate

[lone anvil]

So last I heard even mage/rogue was under 50%

Like 40% win rate

But I want to verify

[gleaming pawn]

R/M is going to have been hit very hard by the removal of Dust. So that would make sense

[jolly sierra]

dude just tell him if he will heal you, he cant

[jaunty osprey]

Also rogue mage needs to be played perfectly in order to be played well

[jolly sierra]

so u cant go with him or is insta L

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah true

[jolly sierra]

YE

[potent pivot]

https://drustvar.com/pvp/comps

[jolly sierra]

rog mage requires coordination

[potent pivot]

The problem is that even on drustvar the amount of data is pretty small

[supple adder]

hahahah the dancing moonkin

[jaunty osprey]

Oh yikes

this is based off of reflex data?

Sketchy for sure

[potent pivot]

Yep

[jaunty osprey]

Im about to inflate it with survival hunter assa rogue healer 3s when I get home

[potent pivot]

There’s not a lot of good stats for pvp

There’s arenalogs and drustvar

[jaunty osprey]

ya, cause cant rly track who is playing with who

[jolly sierra]

u wanna exploit the website flaws? XD

[potent pivot]

Both of which require some addon

[jaunty osprey]

Ya, gonna make ppl think it’s an insane comp

[jolly sierra]

sounds funny, go in lol

[jaunty osprey]

just cause I spam queued it w my homie on our alts all season

[potent pivot]

Iirc there’s a site for this

[jaunty osprey]

There’s arenamate

where u can see activity

and sometimes shows comp or teammates if they’re similar rating

[lone anvil]

@potent pivot yeah like 15 matches isn't slot lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah

They can only pull from what they get

Same goes for all of the pvp websites

[lone anvil]

It was much easier back when people had registered arena teams like guilds

[potent pivot]

It’s either data from an addon or it’s just peoples armory information

[lone anvil]

And you could just see which teams were top

And what their score was

[spring bough]

all over the map here against 2 locks. i hate their absorbs lol

ignore my keys clanking lol

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-cat-typing-fire-fire-gif-3192016087994715294

[spring bough]

smashing keys

mechanical keyboard lol

[gleaming pawn]

Such is the Outlaw life

[spring bough]

like let me get this off before 20 CCs

[gleaming pawn]

Sometimes I miss it, other times my RSI does not

[spring bough]

i like running around like a bat outta hell

nothing more fun than putting pressure and chasing people lol

[lone anvil]

Holy eye sore UI. 🤢 How do you have 80 things on your ability bars including hearth stone and mounts lol

[spring bough]

playing on a 49 inch ultra wide so i dont really notice lmao

[jaunty osprey]

The middle of his screen is clear and that’s what matters

just needs to see where he is grappling to

:))))

[potent pivot]

omnibar would prolly help

[spring bough]

i did use it but its too much clutter lol

if u thought middle of my screen was eye sore there with omni bar its atrocious

[gleaming pawn]

Pfft Outlaw doesn’t need to know about enemy cds, just full zug

[spring bough]

i do use that dont attack addon if i should swap to another target lol

[lusty epoch]

Anyone here making outlaw pov review?:) im hard 1.9 solo hard stick and im clueless what im doing wrong :/

[spring bough]

2297 we climbing yall

Went 4-1 this last lobby… tied on the last round….. mage couldn’t stay alive 😭

[north bluff]

Excuse me i need a macro for do shadowstep on the alliance battle standar plz}

[jolly sierra]

/tar alliance battle standard
/cast shadowstep

[stoic spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/buffs-to-many-racial-abilities-in-patch-11-0-7-worgen-draenei-allied-races-349535

Suck my peen

Racials for life

[molten hedge]

That UI is actually clean lol

[outer sky]

Does this mean elusiveness is being removed.....?

[stoic spruce]

That's what it's reading as :(

[jolly sierra]

xd

[languid ravine]

maybe it gets splitted into its own buff

[spring bough]

2251 in blitz as I get my bronze for the retro tier 2 🙌

[spring bough]

RIP tank mode

[lone anvil]

He has 3x the amount of icons on his screen than he actually needs.

[spring bough]

Those are the exact same number of action bars that I have lol

[lone anvil]

I don't have hearthstone and useless clutter

I can open my bag and use a hearth stone if I need it why do I need that on my screen in arena

Lol

[spring bough]

And? Lmao. Look at your bars to the right you have unused buttons. wtf wrong with using buttons lmao

[molten hedge]

Bro is fried. You’re good man. @spring bough

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi4mjDzZaUc

THIS is a bad UI lol

[lone anvil]

I don't want anything extra I don't need. Haha

[safe pelican]

lol NO! Why would we do that for all the people that have been asking about how’s a lot here you go 🤣

That hook up top was smooth

[spring bough]

i missed probably 5-6 hook ups to that platform the 5 rounds before lmao

[safe pelican]

Wanna push Ss don’t feel like trying rn so getting on Law for some bgs 😔

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo i can tell you did that shit too smooth

I was like hold on didn’t even know you could hook that

Checkmated the fuck out of that port

[spring bough]

gotta angle it lol

why tf does the caverns of times stormwind portal randomly send u out to sea

[grave basin]

Frostfire (1)
Excess Frost
Frost:
Reaching maximum stacks of Frost Mastery causes your next Flurry to also cast Ice Nova at 125% effectiveness. Ice Novas cast this way do not freeze enemies in place.

Isn't this the best part of the new notes

[grave basin]

So it isn't just me lol, small indie company

[potent pivot]

shit happened to me earlier today too

https://www.wowhead.com/news/buffs-to-many-racial-abilities-in-patch-11-0-7-worgen-draenei-allied-races-349535

[grave basin]

None of those seem impactful for pvp

[gleaming pawn]

that's because they aren't 🙂

[grave basin]

Ne/dwarf/orc still bis

Which is lame

[potent pivot]

i think it's just the dps racials isn't it

just thought it was interesting

very tiny buffs to things like spatial rift

[fallen scaffold]

lightforge 1% buff to healing, interesting

spacial rift buff will be nice

[jolly sierra]

zanda buffs are crazy tho

u can now regen while dotted

and the bleed proc was buffed hard

[potent pivot]

a 50% heal ain't bad

3min cd is meh

dwarf defensive prolly still better than that one i think

[languid ravine]

Zandalari Rogue for vanish regen god combo? hashtag believe

maybe for hunter turtle its unironically good if it works

[grave basin]

They need to change the utility ones since that's the only reason why the BIS ones are BiS

Meld is still way too strong

[stoic spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/4-new-pistol-shot-glyphs-for-outlaw-rogues-datamined-in-patch-11-0-7-349555#comments

[potent pivot]

I was about to paste this

[stoic spruce]

Freaking finallyyyyy

[potent pivot]

New gun drip 🔥

Would still be cool if we could go full pistol brawler and equip one I think

[grave basin]

Holy.shit that's fast

I had the link copy pasted

[grave basin]

I hope we get the plunderstorm mogs too

I completely skipped It the first time

[potent pivot]

same

[pastel burrow]

someone was saying we're getting the black/purple recolour of the plunderstorm stuff that was datamined

which im hoping for tbh that shits sick

[potent pivot]

I’d really like to have the red one as well but nbd either way

[languid ravine]

I did plunderstorm for like a week and 60% of all players were Vulpera and there is no emote on this server to accurately represent the existential dread this caused me

[pastel burrow]

i do remember people were going goblin/gnome/vulpera to hide better

small pirates

[potent pivot]

Lmao

How long did it take to farm the red set last time

[languid ravine]

I think it was 30-40 hours

[pastel burrow]

thats to begin with, they nerfed it super hard

[potent pivot]

Yeah that sounds like a lot

[pastel burrow]

it ended up being obtainable in like, less than 10 hours in total for sure

to reach max level

[gleaming pawn]

really just depending on how much you won

like placing top 10 often made it really fast

[languid ravine]

it was a little silly where it was actually faster to die early after first two objectives than winning

[gleaming pawn]

yeah a bit

I can't decide if I am excited for smackrel to return or not

it was fairly cringe that 99% of every match was dominated by smackrel

[potent pivot]

yeah maybe they redid the abilities

[grave basin]

I hope they go harder into the glyphs

That kinda pistol shot reskin is sorely needed for rogues atm

Don't think we should be as flashy as palas

[potent pivot]

yeah our animations are pretty outdated

[grave basin]

But we have so much potential

[potent pivot]

yep

[jolly sierra]

in legion

i recalled the consac was modified in beta animation wise

was flashy as fuck

but seems like they removed it

[potent pivot]

they redid a lot of DK stuff back then too

[grave basin]

What's consac

[potent pivot]

consecration or w/e

[jolly sierra]

nvm was for BFA

never added it

[grave basin]

Palas got some hammer they threw on the ground and could port to it

But that got removed too

[jolly sierra]

turalyon's might

in alpha

ye

[potent pivot]

it's weird they remove cool animations like that

like all the work they did on covenant stuff in SL for example

[grave basin]

Was thinking of lady Voss when she goes up to someone and stabs them with 2x dagger

[potent pivot]

yeah that looks sick

[grave basin]

Like physically climbs them and stabs them

That would be cool

Without being too flashy

[gleaming pawn]

Looks like the red set will be available from Plunderstorm for those that didn’t get it the first time

[jolly sierra]

they can even base stuff on TCG art or so

[jolly sierra]

what about the new prizes?

[gleaming pawn]

And the new set is dark grey and purple, which is nice

[grave basin]

Holy

[potent pivot]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[potent pivot]

HELLYEAH

[gleaming pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/plunderstore-datamining-new-and-returning-pets-mounts-toys-transmog-349556

[potent pivot]

unfortunately it's datamining

so it might not be 100% accurate

[grave basin]

On the shop for 20 usd

[jolly sierra]

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

[grave basin]

[jolly sierra]

time to play again

[potent pivot]

?

[grave basin]

Part of me really wants to be human rog

[grave basin]

Meme-ing

[gleaming pawn]

If racials were disabled in pvp I would probably switch to VE or Human

[potent pivot]

either way the black set is fire

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah for sure

[potent pivot]

i got the yellow one off the TP but never use it so far

[grave basin]

Yellow one is kinda puke coloured

Never use it either

[pastel burrow]

god we're so back

that's edgy as hell i'm ready

[potent pivot]

subtle pirate mog

[gleaming pawn]

Think this is a rapier, based on the size. Maybe good enough to tempt me back to Outlaw

[jolly sierra]

i love the red one

from plunder

[potent pivot]

the red one is pretty nice

[stoic spruce]

With trios it took no time at all

[stoic spruce]

Matches the love witch attire

The gothic one

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah it does

[vocal ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDKG4i-ewa4

[potent pivot]

been posted already 😛

[potent pivot]

did you tape a phone to your forehead or somethin what's goin on here

[vocal ginkgo]

lmaooo I was playing the feral here and my friend was sub, he recorded it but then sent it to me via whatsapp lol

a cool kill in 2s

🤣

[potent pivot]

these are basically the same openers we've been doing for idk how long

it's crazy that talenting into flag makes everyone forget how to play sub

[potent pivot]

that's fuckin hilarious though

[vocal ginkgo]

are you playing trickster? or still going with deathstalker

[potent pivot]

always been deathstalker

[vocal ginkgo]

staying true to your name

[potent pivot]

the opener he showed in the vid is the same thing i've been saying to do since TWW launch

the only difference is pressing flag

deathstalker is just the most reliable big damage in the shortest window for the 'main stream' builds

[vocal ginkgo]

is sub doing more dmg than before the "rework"? it feels that way but I haven't played on my sub yet

Will try him out tomorrow, was capping conq on my feral

My friend is a noob and he did alright

[potent pivot]

right now i'm pretty sure it is doing the same or barely more

it's been very up and down because of bugs and shit

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah I remember the supercharger evis bug

[potent pivot]

day 1 of the patch sub was broken OP, just worse defensively because no dust

then supercharger didn't work at all for a day or two and now flag is nerfed

so now you're basically forced to play full damage flag build and the spec still kinda just sucks

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah getting forced into specific talents/builds kinda sucks

[potent pivot]

yep and the biggest issue is like

you don't do any real damage outside of flag windows

and you can just get peeled on those windows

or they just press enough defensives to completely mitigate it

before nerf you could actually kill through quite a few different defensives

not stacked at once, but like bark, sometimes cocoon, etc

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah it feels impossible now

and I hate that now a random BM hunter can do 3x my dmg while literally doing absolutely nothing

while I'm sweating

[potent pivot]

yep

i think sub is still viable to get most achievements

but imo it needs changes bad

[rain beacon]

guys

i didnt know there was a honor flask

its pretty cheap too

[hardy tinsel]

What’s honor flask?

more honor gain?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[stoic spruce]

Where my outlaw homies at

[languid ravine]

I wont even ask how many layers of memes are in that picture

it better be above 0

[languid ravine]

know what would be cool? maybe since Sub is "the" vanish spec (not anymore kek) maybe you could like have a talent around it that synergises with the whole kit and is a lever for skill expression and counter play like for example cooldown reduction and it would be a big selling point to play the spec and make for a nice learning curve too

its hilarious how Sub somehow ended up the dumbest spec and the only non-vanish spec too

[potent pivot]

CDR is just too busted and hard to balance

Like outlaws is a bit easier to balance around because you can kinda calculate how much CDR you get with 100% uptime

But just having on demand -30s on everything whenever you want is a bit disgusting

[languid ravine]

make it -20s and cap it at 45% of each skill so you cant back to back triple kidney triple Secretech

solved

[potent pivot]

I just don’t think it’s a healthy thing to have in the game

Same thing with the frost mage shit

[languid ravine]

I think the only real problem is reducing defensives tbh

everything else you can absolutely calculate impact on burst and overall dps

[potent pivot]

I think the CC was also kinda the issue

The problem is now, that we still have a nerfed version of Dance CDR and 30 kidney

If those are fixed we’d be in a decent spot imo

[lusty epoch]

do anyone have problem with killing spree? like going on cd but doing no dmg

[potent pivot]

It can be countered if that’s what you mean

[lusty epoch]

i dont know im just saying that sometimes its going on cd but feels like nothing happend xD

[potent pivot]

They probably used a defensive

Is the animation still going off?

[lusty epoch]

nope

[potent pivot]

Then maybe they dodged

[lusty epoch]

this is why im confused ;D

hmm wierd ;d

[mint mauve]

Is hunter still obnoxious at higher rating?

[hybrid vessel]

would u say its ez to get 1800 blitz as sub atm?

just grinding out some tmog sets tbh

q times is the only downside x(

only just started playing rogue again, would u recommend a dif spec for the grind?

[potent pivot]

I’d say 1.8 on anything is easy in blitz

[languid ravine]

probably assa is better overall and Sub is only god tier in 1v1 base capture situations

[potent pivot]

You just have to actually get through your placement games and earn the rating

[hybrid vessel]

yeah agree, just wondering whats the better spec to blast through on

[potent pivot]

Any of the 3

[hybrid vessel]

ait

[potent pivot]

Outlaw has 4x hook so it can even FC now

[hybrid vessel]

damn 😄

sub playing trickster in blitz?

[potent pivot]

Both are fine

[hybrid vessel]

possibly a dumb question but do we not use rupture in our 'main' dmg rotation?

[frozen shore]

is there a reason one would take trickster over deathstalker in pvp? first glance suggests trickster might be a bit more defensive, deathstalker a bit burstier?

[potent pivot]

We do

Especially as deathstalker because the extra finisher helps line up finality and darkest night

[potent pivot]

Deathstalker is better burst and defensiveness

Trickster is slightly easier but it’s cleave breaks cc

[frozen shore]

ah i see

[safe pelican]

Gotta figure out how to counter sub as outlaw now

I can counter it on assa pretty well but outlaw doesn’t have any major SCARY CDS like blades or DM

[languid ravine]

just roll 5 buffs

[safe pelican]

Thinking i just reset on blades in a 1v1 not sure how you can fight that as outlaw when sub can just pop evasion ADR window and CC you just the same

[safe pelican]

Ahhhh yes 5 buffs always gets the job done 🤣🦦

[potent pivot]

You evasion

Or cc

Disarm

Etc

[lavish idol]

For outlaw, why is it murlok has crit vers as top stats for most crafted gear is haste vers

[potent pivot]

Because you only take a bit of haste

Then all crit

[lavish idol]

11% is it?

unbuffed

[potent pivot]

10-15% in pvp

Unbuffed

[safe pelican]

Yea I just need more runs against sub had a 1v1 on a flag against sub and got cooked ngl just cause idk what buttons to press for each counter action like i do for sub/sin

Just need some more practice gunna run a few here soon loving blitz on the orb map

It’s OP on Arathi too i just have to get better at law and min maxing that opening dmg coming out of stealth

[languid ravine]

just get 5 aces up your sleeve procs in a row

and dont forget the joker

[safe pelican]

Trolling detected 🧌

[solar glacier]

just noticed that running trickster and proccing coup de grace, the spell itself has kind of a build in dash. Never noticed it before and didnt read anythign about it in any tooltip

[potent pivot]

Yep

[languid ravine]

Yep you cant just add "and dash" to the tooltip that would be insane

who is gonna read all that

[solar glacier]

also, can anyone explain why i can "double press" coup de grace for 1 global?

as outlaw ill do a coup de grace and then have 1 global time to press it again with the cp that auto replenish

but i'm not sure if that's just a bug and it actually does a regular dispatch. The animation is the one from cdg

[potent pivot]

bug

[solar glacier]

but is it a bug with a gain or just a visual bug and you dispatch

[potent pivot]

idk

idk if the pve guys even know about it

because trickster is kinda dogwater for outlaw

[solar glacier]

https://gyazo.com/495c3ec2c93606a51d5028b2277f5923

it's actually 2 coups

i like trickster for OL, going full haste with it and just being a giga tank

melees are so rip with like 40s evasion cd

[potent pivot]

there's not much reason to go full haste

[solar glacier]

for trickster it has a couple of synergies

[potent pivot]

...auto attacks?

it doesn't matter anywhere near enough to change the stats we want

[solar glacier]

snd gives like 90% atk speed which more occasionally reset unseen blade icd for example, also just straight up more regen because you'd not play vigor with the build

[potent pivot]

the only time you play more haste is if you drop Take 'em by Surprise and go KiR

[grave basin]

One of my pet peeves is how all our damage is split like this

Same with evis and the shadowy portion

I want one FAT hit damn it

[potent pivot]

also idk if you've ever checked how much energy comes from haste

(it's almost nonexistent)

[solar glacier]

it's not much i know

it just feels so much smoother to play tbh

and tbf the difference between "breakpoint feelycraft 15%" and "full haste" is a mere 5%

you'd still go vers > all ofc

[potent pivot]

that, my friend, is what we call feelcraft placebo

[potent pivot]

breakpoint feelcraft?

[solar glacier]

so instead of like 9k haste it's 13k

[potent pivot]

it's math

not feelcraft at all

[lavish idol]

How can I make it so tab doesn't tab to lot pet?

lock*

[solar glacier]

so you saying earlier "between 12-15% in pvp" is math?

if it's math you'd say 15% not 12-15%

[potent pivot]

it's 10-15%

and yes it's math

[solar glacier]

yeah whatever u said earlier

[potent pivot]

10% is the required unbuffed haste to have an extra GCD in your Kidney

[solar glacier]

how can it be in between those 2 values? 10% is like 6k haste and 15% is like 9 haste

[potent pivot]

15% gains you another extra GCD over your Adrenaline Rush

zero feelcraft

[solar glacier]

so it would be either 10% or 15% not in between

[potent pivot]

it's either or

not inbetween

[solar glacier]

that's not articulated very conviniently then

[potent pivot]

10% is what we'd call the mandatory breakpoint

15% is just a smaller added benefit, which most don't choose to run with

why does is it need to be articulated conveniently i don't get it

[solar glacier]

it's just weird that those numbers exist and the top3 ss rogues go 7% 9% and 13% haste

[potent pivot]

everyone runs 10% unless they're playing a KiR build

[grave basin]

The numbers you see in armory aren't PvP values

[potent pivot]

ye

whoever had 13% likely has 15% in pvp

[grave basin]

Just want conquest to uncap already

[potent pivot]

8-9 is 10% in pvp, not sure about 7

[grave basin]

I wonder if it's just faster to gear a 2nd rogue

Out of the mastery prio of Assa/sub

[potent pivot]

if you're waiting on conq cap then yes it'll be a lot faster

conq uncaps week 10 iirc

which i think is still a couple weeks off but idr

[grave basin]

Human outlaw Rog arc

I'm so sick of NE

[lavish idol]

not seeing any meta gem on murlok either, they not apply to pvp?

juat go full ham haste/vers?

[potent pivot]

huh

[potent pivot]

this is the only special gem we use

[lavish idol]

ah why isn't it showing on murlok?

[potent pivot]

it is showing on murlok

also, for outlaw you only gem haste if you don't have enough

[spring bough]

Morning yall. Gotta get in my daily. Outlaw >>>>>>>

[mint mauve]

You guys think the new void elf racial is interesting for rogues?

[potent pivot]

new?

[mint mauve]

Spatial Rift movement speed of the rift increased by 80%, duration is increased to 8 seconds (was 6 seconds), and maximum range increased to 35 yards. The visual effect has been updated and no longer appears for party members.
Entropic Embrace: Proc activation rate adjusted, now increases healing and damage by 5% for 12 seconds (was duplicate healing/damage). Now functions with absorbs.

[potent pivot]

if you already have enough haste, you gem crit

[potent pivot]

none of this is new

just buffed

the only class that's "seriously" played velf in recent years is mage iirc

[mint mauve]

So nothing that's updated is potentially interesting for rogue?

[potent pivot]

nothing that can compete with meld nah

[spring bough]

Haymaker 🙌

[mint mauve]

I don't understand why they don't remove racials, or just mix and match

[orchid plinth]

Blitzgod

[potent pivot]

because it's not as big of a deal for pve

that's pretty much it in a nutshell imo

[lavish idol]

Ah true. I am blind

Just had solo shuffle vs sub rogue that deleted anyone he wanted within duel

[spring bough]

If meld could be used in pve outlaw would be S tier plus

[potent pivot]

it... can... be... o.O

[spring bough]

When did they change that

[potent pivot]

you can use it in dungeons

[spring bough]

Can’t use it on bosses

[potent pivot]

yeah

just not in raid fights

[spring bough]

Might have to level my night elf and pvp with two rogues lol

Become one of those with multiple of the same class lol

lol. Just checked murlok. Only two trickster outlaws for shuffle 😭

[grave basin]

I'm feeling that as well but just for two gear sets

One mastery rogue one haste crit rogue

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/4-new-pistol-shot-glyphs-for-outlaw-rogues-datamined-in-patch-11-0-7-349555

Didn’t know this was a thing lol

[potent pivot]

yep

black plunderstorm set also confirmed as far as i can tell

[spring bough]

More pirate animations for the so so pirate class

[potent pivot]

and returning red set

[spring bough]

Yeah black/purple and new rapier to match

Ohhhhhhh the OG set coming back too????? Oh my

Plunderlording for DAYS

[potent pivot]

that's what the wowhead post says

they even data mined currency amounts to purchase them

so i'd say it's a safe bet

[safe pelican]

lol I’m 7-13 and 1300 and they got me playing blitz at 1.8

😐

Have like 3 pieces of conq gear on my outlaw rogue #pain

Damn we lost cause of me lmao 🤣 capping bases is a cheeky game gotta learn this whole sap/blind cap thing

[lime oar]

Sap > cap > trinket > blind > cap ez

IN THEORY

but shit can go awry

[safe pelican]

He had trinketed before i capped so i kinda shit the bed 😂

[candid tide]

i bought skillcapped

have not watch the masterclass arena videos yet

but as far as now its not worth imo

[trail vortex]

what class were u trying to cap on?

[spring bough]

Or 5pt kidney in there too 🔥

Or a smoke

GGs cap

[safe pelican]

Frost mage

Blew my cloak before block trying to make sure i had max uptime during ADR i kinda suck against FM unless I’m on assa

Wait if you start the cap and stop then start again does the timer stay the same ?

[trail vortex]

no

[safe pelican]

Ohhhh snap i thought you had to cap it in one go un interrupted

[trail vortex]

yeah imo, don't try to sap cap on a mage at first. just try to kill

wait on which map was this?

[trail vortex]

yeah u do have to cap the full 4sec uninterrupted

[grave basin]

Against bad mages just cloak cap

They won't go up to you and auto attack with weapon

[trail vortex]

lol that's also true, it is the 1800 bracket

[safe pelican]

Oh okay i figured tbh rogue would be too op for bgs if not gotta work on it Ty Ty

[safe pelican]

True lol 300 IQ play

[trail vortex]

a lot of casters forget to right click 😛

[candid tide]

blitz doesnt matter

shuffle is the true bracket

[spring bough]

My favorite blitz move

[trail vortex]

lol i mean, if u don't like Blitz, don't Q Blitz

[spring bough]

Haymaker the enemy off LM for the flag cap

Nothing beats doing that

And do a /wave while you flag cap

[trail vortex]

lol sap knocking is pretty funny