pvp

[waxen meteor]

well the problem normally comes from your targer's teammate

[orchid plinth]

I wouldnt say the Orc racial is for uptime in regards to your damage. Rogues die in stuns, its very good in the mirror vs other Sub Rogues.

[waxen meteor]

especially from further position

[orchid plinth]

And Blood Fury is just a little extra bonus

[waxen meteor]

agree on this

[mint mauve]

yea trying to control 2 players is the next step, but i dont play arena though, kinda at the beginning still

[waxen meteor]

i think orc is more about a bit better burst plus better survival

[mint mauve]

trying to cc one, burst the other, and gtfo

[waxen meteor]

the up time, is almost ignorable

[safe pelican]

Less stuns would be more survival ….

But i digress

[orchid plinth]

I would spend my money on the Brutosaur instead of race changing

[waxen meteor]

if you get off target cc during your go, 4 seconds or 3.6 seconds, they survive

[potent pivot]

Damn. This.

I think I’m gonna buy it with gold

[safe pelican]

Ima get the brutosaur this weekend tired of being flexed on

[mint mauve]

yea idc about mobile ah lol

[waxen meteor]

btw, is there some meld macro with stealth/vanish?

[potent pivot]

Just cast meld cast stealth

[safe pelican]

Yea it acts as a “ vanish “

[waxen meteor]

I mean to put the 3 buttons in one

[orchid plinth]

but with /cast !Stealth

[potent pivot]

/cast shadowmeld
/cast !stealth

[orchid plinth]

notice the `!

[safe pelican]

Why would you do that ?

When you gain stealth from meld

[potent pivot]

That would be a waste of vanish

[lone anvil]

How are people ninja capping bases on rogues. All the PvP guides say I should be able to solo a flag in a BG.

But last night I blinded a warrior and immediately started trying to cap a flag and he got out of my blind a second before I capped and interrupted me.

And this always happens.

I have never successfully stunned someone and capped while they're stunned

[mint mauve]

i rather have a button I dont cancel my ffing stealth 😆

[waxen meteor]

i currently running a macro, basically in combat press F -> vanish; out of combat press F -> stealth

[mint mauve]

god i hate dots that break stealth

[potent pivot]

Did they trinket the blind

[orchid plinth]

because Shadowmeld is not stealth. If u move you unstealth. But Shadowmelds makes you leave combat so u can go into your "real" stealth.

[lone anvil]

No

[potent pivot]

He’s saying why would you macro vanish to meld

[safe pelican]

Obvi I’m talking about the meld macro brother not just meld

[waxen meteor]

my ultimate goal is adding a second layer, in combat press F -> if meld not on cd -> meld -> then out of combat -> F again -> stealth

if meld is on cd -> vanish

[orchid plinth]

ah mb the vanish thing

no bad forget it

[waxen meteor]

k

[mint mauve]

shame rogues dont have mirror images lol

[waxen meteor]

anyway i will save a keybind from other riacl

[mint mauve]

or that we could steal last used spell from enemy

[potent pivot]

I don’t think you can properly macro “on CD” as a condition

[orchid plinth]

Macros are only allowed to certain things. If we allowed things like checking if you have a buff or checking if something is on CD everyone would do one button rotations

[waxen meteor]

ok

just thinking it loud since we are talking about NE racial

if one day i really make up my mind to jump to blue side

[safe pelican]

That would be dope though I’m ngl

Good idea

[earnest forge]

Im so mad about fking bruto, not the new one, but the 5 mill wasted in bfa

[waxen meteor]

i will just use undead racial keybind for meld :)))

[potent pivot]

The timing is somewhat tight for blind/kidney afaik. Like you have to click the cap almost immediately

[waxen meteor]

kidney cap is really hard imo

but blind/sap cap is easy

[potent pivot]

Next we’ll get an AH flying mount for $150

[waxen meteor]

tbh, stun-clone cap is also easy....

and it's no cd...

[potent pivot]

The door has been kicked wide open

[waxen meteor]

feral can be really tricky in blitz

[orchid plinth]

Race change mount for 900$

[lone anvil]

I have ninja'd bases by stealthing in and grabbing it if people are zoned out/ not paying attention or distracted fighting

[earnest forge]

I got the new one with tokens, but holy shit, got the bruto just because I was almost sure they wouldnt add a paid version of portable ah

and they add one BUT BETTER AND CHEAPER

[waxen meteor]

that means they are too noob

[lone anvil]

But it feels much harder to get a stun-cap on a single defender actually paying attention

[waxen meteor]

stun cap is hard

just try sap cap and blind cap

[earnest forge]

@potent pivot btw the flying broom from halloween is a flying mount with no cast time for some reason, not sure if bugged or what.

[lone anvil]

Does sap put targets on DR for blind

[waxen meteor]

???

no it doesn't

[fading blade]

goodbye flag

[waxen meteor]

sap blind entire different dr

[orchid plinth]

Sap Stun and Blind are all different DRs

[potent pivot]

Ye the one from Halloween has always been that way. It only works during the event I think.

[potent pivot]

Not quite

[orchid plinth]

me in blitz

[earnest forge]

@potent pivot no no, I mean the one from the store that's on sale in halloween, got it in my token shopping spree and for some reason is instacast and notl imited to halloween afaik.

[lone anvil]

I'm just trying to figure out why my blind-cap doesnt work.

Because I sapped the warrior first to try and bait a trinket if he had one up. Then he sat in a full blind and interrupted moments before my cap

[waxen meteor]

for specs without pet nor stealth, if they sits close to node, you can easily cap.

[potent pivot]

Oh wtf??

[waxen meteor]

then it means you cappped slow

[earnest forge]

@potent pivot eve's ghastly watheverthehell is the full name

[potent pivot]

Yeah the $25 one

[earnest forge]

yup

[waxen meteor]

btw, sap on war shouldn't really work anyway....

[potent pivot]

Wtf

[orchid plinth]

I would guess the Store broom is instant cast during Halloween to match the event one...?

[lone anvil]

I was standing right on top of it and insta clicked ....maybe it's latency? I have like 15 FPS I don't know if that effects shit

[orchid plinth]

Hopefully

[earnest forge]

i'm 100% certain no cast time yesterday

[waxen meteor]

try again next game, maybe 🙂

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s gotta be only during hween

[waxen meteor]

i do that all the time

[potent pivot]

The event is 2 weeks long, started a few days ago iirc

[waxen meteor]

sap cap -> trinket -> blind cap -> and i even have time to do a global after it's capped

for no pet specs, if they sit close to node, they basically loses the node already

[earnest forge]

i'll need to check after halloween

[waxen meteor]

some classes like mage/pal can block/bubble after sap/blind...

but they gonna play without trinket or defensive against us, just throw all CDs on first go, they dead

[fading blade]

wym, why take -50% spell over dd

[potent pivot]

It’s likely to still be necessary

[fading blade]

eh ig we'll see whenever i get to log in

[lone anvil]

The initial cap is only half the battle for me

Half the time 4-5 people show up before it fully becomes ours, while it's still gray and turning

And then I feel like I can only hold them off so long

[waxen meteor]

it doesn't matter

if you can cap, your goal is not to kill the target

of course, if he can be easily killed, kill him

if not, your goal is not just stop them cap it back

you don't necessarily have to kill them

[lone anvil]

I mean it's wasted effort if it doesn't fully flip it just bought us maybe 30 seconds

[waxen meteor]

why?

[spring bough]

Did fatebound outlaw for a twin peaks last night and flag carried. Got back from the enemy base before they even picked up our flag 😂

[earnest forge]

it has the cast time in the tooltip ingame too, that's what's weird 😄

[waxen meteor]

as long as he cannot cap it back, it's your resource

why do you have to kill him

[lone anvil]

Noooooo. You didn't hear me. If I turn the flag neutral and 4-5 return before it turns to my color and just change it back

[waxen meteor]

how can you turn flag neutral??

[orchid plinth]

You mean, it's 30 seconds away from being yours?

[waxen meteor]

if 4-5 people coming, your goal is still just to interupt them

[lone anvil]

Have you ever clicked the flag. And then it's gray for like 20 seconds before it turns blue or red

[waxen meteor]

and make sure it doesn't trun other color

[lone anvil]

I forget how rated works but that's how it is in normal bgs

[waxen meteor]

keep enemy nodes in neutral is also huge win

[lone anvil]

I do both rated and normal

[lone anvil]

That's what I'm saying the whole time I'm asking for advice. I try to hold them off sapping 1 at a time but if 4 are clicking at once eventually I just start spamming fan of knives

[orchid plinth]

That's good

[lone anvil]

And at that point it's hard to survive 1v4

[orchid plinth]

You wasted 5 peoples time

[waxen meteor]

that's good enough, what's wrong

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[lime oar]

my arms warr is about to fucking rise @cobalt pewter

[waxen meteor]

you are buying a lot of time

their resource doesn't gain

[lone anvil]

So sometimes I'm not going to be able to flip it my color

[waxen meteor]

ours gain

[lone anvil]

Even if I do everything right

[waxen meteor]

and they have no people other places

[lone anvil]

But I'm still wasting their time

[waxen meteor]

Battle for Gilneas, there are only 3 nodes

each side gets 1

and a middle fight

if you go to their node, and make it stop gaining resource for 20 seconds

you win

given other conditions not changed of course

and also if 5 people on other sides have to back up, it means your team should win mid

with 4 more people

if they can't, they are noob

also as rogue, we have quite a bit immunity to stop them capping back

[earnest forge]

I never did rated bgs but is that all rogue is worth for?

[waxen meteor]

very likely we gonna be able to turn the node color with CDs if we can cap it

[earnest forge]

be a nuisance in caps

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-zyzz-dancing-dancing-sikkunt-gif-24180193

[waxen meteor]

we are one of best class in blitz

[potent pivot]

That’s a big part of it yeah

[waxen meteor]

Sin can do all, group fight, nodes fight and flag killer

[earnest forge]

not only for my parents, but ingame, gotcha

[potent pivot]

Waste peoples time and steal bases etc

[waxen meteor]

Sub is less group fight, but probably better at node 1on1 and flag killer

[spring bough]

Does blizz pay workman’s comp for carpel tunnel from playing outlaw too much?

[potent pivot]

you have failed before you started

assuming they touch outlaw with a ten foot pole

[waxen meteor]

just be a in law

not outlaw

[spring bough]

I don’t get it lol. I was saying my hands got carpel tunnel from slamming keys too fast lol

[earnest forge]

unless the damage is 1:1 for your health as much as to your enemies ingame, not worth

[potent pivot]

OH i thought you meant the actual employees lol

[lone anvil]

Yeah I play Sin

I only feel effective in group fights with good heals. Don't get me wrong. If I have to kill a flag carrier and I'm solo I can go into a group of 3-4 enemies and kill a flag carrier before I die sometimes. But I don't have tons of durability

I feel like a kamikaze in environments where I am AoE cleaving

And sometimes the Gods are nice to me and I have a good healer and sometimes I get wrecked

[waxen meteor]

In map with node better to go node

[lone anvil]

Yeah for sure

[waxen meteor]

That’s where we provide max impact

[lone anvil]

But like the one where you old the four orbs is an example

If your team isn't holding mid and you gotta try and get in and kill an orb carrier

Or some shit

[waxen meteor]

orb game is iq test game

you can do nothing as rogue if your teammates are all bozos

[reef hearth]

If I wanna pick up Ks , what should I drop? :d

[potent pivot]

most builds take KS

[reef hearth]

Tbh I don’t even check a build so I used one in solos that felt right to me , gonna check one actually if most of em take is

Kai

Ks****

Thanks

[reef hearth]

Lovely 🙂 I did 1.7 with a build that felt right but now it kinda needs smth more , gonna try it out ! Thanks @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

npnp

[reef hearth]

I was dropping versa for ks instead of stam I am dumb 😂

[potent pivot]

you either take stam or swift slasher

that's the one choice that's kinda half n half

[sick wasp]

Need a DK or a Warrior to boost my hpally to 2.1

bruh its so hard with random ppl from lfg

best carry potential is hunter but needs to be a god

[reef hearth]

I see ,trying the new supercharger so I guess that I kinda need the extra haste

[lone anvil]

They gone git on yuh for not using LFG but good luck

[sick wasp]

💀

aint gonna happen,they gonna train my body,im carrying either way

thing is ppl dont press their button

hunters dont turtle mages dont block

[lone anvil]

No

You're supposed to use LFG channel in discord for recruitment

Or the mods yell at you

[lime oar]

servers up

[sick wasp]

💀

[lone anvil]

Dad is coming

[potent pivot]

it's not extra haste, it's faster melee swings. faster melee swings based on your haste.

[sick wasp]

that means u ar etalking about outlaw

which means..

brb need coffee

[potent pivot]

yeh i don't think he was being serious

talking about needing a dk or warr to boost him in here, he's just making a funny statement really

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

In that case....I need a strong DPS. Warrior/DK/hunter to carry my resto druid in 2s 👀

[lime oar]

yeh just hit the dummy for 3m on sub

[lone anvil]

Im 1600 rating ATM

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

When I run outlaw on that map I can top the points

Elusive with feint and evasion OP

[waxen meteor]

outlaw warriors

[sick wasp]

im buying coaching on skillcapped for hpally btw(no joke i swear i wanna try pushing this tier)

[solar glacier]

Anyone has the video with the outlaw using 4 hooks in bg Blitz?

[spring bough]

Orb map as outlaw is fun asf not gonna lie

Go straight for EFC. Kill. Then pickup and your team has three now. Boom

[waxen meteor]

pushing this tier?

[lone anvil]

Pushing colons

[sick wasp]

rated 3s,got 2 of my boys saying they wanna rlp

need to learn stuff

[lime oar]

@potent pivot thats just now on dummy with everything lined up. no tea build

[potent pivot]

ye but that's a dummy

[lime oar]

yee im just sayin idk

its not TERRIBLE

[potent pivot]

it's going to be less on players

a lot less

[lime oar]

i understand that

[potent pivot]

i don't think Flag is even properly pvp flagging on the pvp dummy

i'm still getting +75% mastery on the dummy

[solar glacier]

Can anyone help me with this

[potent pivot]

there's prolly lots of vids or clips of this

[tepid scarab]

Is it this? https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/UVxVZr4p4r

[orchid plinth]

Oh no video now blizzard will nerf it

[tepid scarab]

Yeah lots of rogue love in that thread…. lol

[orchid plinth]

"People who attempt to defend Rogues' disgustingly-overloaded kit always make me laugh.

Imagine if chess introduced a new rule: "Anyone whose name is Jason can move two pieces per turn." Would the same types of lunatics attempt to defend it by saying things like "Well, actually it's okay that Jasons can move two peices per turn! Moving two pieces per turn means you have more options and therefore more thinking is involved!"

Because that's what it's like playing a Rogue in World of Warcraft."

Wait I always thought that was mages...

[molten hedge]

I guess it’s comp dependent, but what do you do when all your bleeds are getting totemed/bopped/racialed/cauterized off and you have no pressure and are getting ccd and slowed by like a mage? Just looking for some general tips. Think I had some rounds that felt like I had no pressure last night.

[mint mauve]

Can you switch gear during vanish with a macro?

[potent pivot]

o.O why would you want to

[mint mauve]

Just scrolling through random items and saw an item that reduces the cooldown of sprint by 10 seconds

It's a poor item, but, if you can get the killing blow, you can technically juggle free cooldowns

not sure how practical though

This item for example; https://www.wowhead.com/item=130236/subtle-shadowruby-pendant

[potent pivot]

sounds insanely not worth worrying about

idr if you can even swap gear during rated content

[mint mauve]

ikr seems ludicrous, but, situational stuff is kinda fun

[gleaming pawn]

Don’t think you can swap gear outside of weapons in rated. Would also just very much not be worth

But to answer your original question, you could in theory but you’d have to make sure you dropped combat before the call to swap the gear set came through

[mint mauve]

yep, have to try it later

also, items like these are not applicable in pvp or; https://www.wowhead.com/item=86591/magic-banana

seems to be a coinflip

[gleaming pawn]

Can’t use items in rated

And some items are black listed in normal BGs as well and could only be used in world pvp

[mint mauve]

figures o well

[orchid plinth]

Classic is your game if you are into these kind of things

[mint mauve]

yea, but then i have to play classic

[solar glacier]

Oh Yeah i thought ive seen it here, my Bad. Tranks

[grave basin]

damn son the new token aquisition rate is insane

one world boss = 8 tokens

[potent pivot]

yup. literally the first thing i knocked out

[grave basin]

knocking out the skirm weekly

while people are still spamming them

[potent pivot]

i was thinking of doing Queen on LFR for the 15

since those Q times are probably bad later on in the week

[grave basin]

oo yes ill do that before bed

good call

is weird though the quests at the COT arent updated

theyre still giving 3 each

[potent pivot]

the dailies weren't buffed

just TWW and event weeklies afaik

[broken otter]

Yeah, it was the Khaz Algar quests that were buffed.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bronze-celebration-token-sources-anniversary-event-week-2-massive-bronze-buffs-349343?utm_source=discord-webhook

[fervent cobalt]

How bad does it feel @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

farming tokens rn

[fervent cobalt]

Lol good thing I only play rogue. I'll be done this week.

[spring bough]

Bout to get updated tier 2 tonight lol

These new bronze rates are absolutely amazing. Might get more than two sets now lol

Was planning rogue and hunter but more seems easy now lol

[potent pivot]

i'm just gonna go for all the sets because who knows when we'll see them again

[fervent cobalt]

Get em while you can that's for sure.

[grave basin]

is there an easy way to get

all the globs of wax

[potent pivot]

not sure what you're talking about ngl

[grave basin]

this shit

[potent pivot]

oh idk

[grave basin]

make sure you do it though

still kinda free

[potent pivot]

is that from the weekly you get to choose from 4 activites

?

like WQs, a heroic dungeon etc

or is that one of the ones in ringing deeps

[broken otter]

There's an NPC there, - not the t2 vendor but the pet/mount vendor. There's a dialog that asks him if you'll see him next year, and he responds with some RP basically saying every 5 years or so. Don't know if that applies to the tier 2 as well.

[potent pivot]

who knows

i think the Obsidian Worldbreaker that's on one of the vendors came from an old anniversary event

either 5 or 10 years ago idr which

[grave basin]

no it;s at ringing deeps

next to the npc that has the awakening the machine weekly as well

which also gives 8 tokens

[potent pivot]

gonna snag that one for 20 tokens and the Azure version for 5k badges

[potent pivot]

oo good shout

[wintry dew]

Just fly around and look for the purple interactable dirt

[potent pivot]

sparks of war is also ringing deeps this week

so 2 birds 1 stone

[grave basin]

ye but it's annoying as shit

[potent pivot]

it's usually pretty quick

certain areas spawn them somewhat densely

[wintry dew]

Then don't do it

[gritty whale]

Yo, how's the flag pvp nerf

[worthy crag]

arent we like 6 weeks past the point of needing to do spark quest?

[potent pivot]

you have to do it 20 times for wpvp mount and title

also gives a token for the anniversary event, which doesn't really matter much but ye

[stoic spruce]

trickz

[potent pivot]

servers just came up like an hour ago or somethin, give it time lol

[stoic spruce]

why

[potent pivot]

?

[stoic spruce]

WHY

This is the most fun build I've ever played

BUT ITS SO BAD

[grave basin]

i see gsw

[stoic spruce]

you do

[gritty whale]

@potent pivot i figured someone would have tried it by now.

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

not enough to actually form a proper opinion on it

[stoic spruce]

if we're rolling on CD is sleight a decent pick now?

[potent pivot]

we'll see how it shakes out after a couple days

[gritty whale]

On paper, looked like a 25% damage nerd in burst.

Nerf*

[potent pivot]

sinnen said he liked it, i haven't tried it

[stoic spruce]

welllllllllllllllll

time to give it a wirly hirly

[digital rock]

For pvp should i be playing trickster outlaw

seems like most of yall are

Why is this

[potent pivot]

naw

some people play off brand shit

because they aren't meta slaves

[digital rock]

What’s the point of trickster

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

we like KS

the gameplay implications as well

it changes things up a bit

[digital rock]

I’m playing KS as fate coins

It’s bad this way?

[stoic spruce]

not at all

KS is just better with trickster

[digital rock]

I see

[stoic spruce]

gives KS modifiers

I will let yall know how bad this feels soon

[potent pivot]

yeah that's an

[stoic spruce]

my hand cramped as I clicked kir

its a sign

God himself said "dude, come on now..."

[tribal badger]

kir trickster builds r also just awful

[stoic spruce]

real

[tribal badger]

like in pve they are a ~12-15% pure ST loss

and ST damage matters alot in pvp

[potent pivot]

sometimes the absolute worst pve build can be dope in pvp

but no crackshot is just an automatic no go unfort

[stoic spruce]

unholy has been that way for years

yeah this last patch did away with that completely

[potent pivot]

yeah rogue has also always been that way

because in pvp especially as sub you care a bit less for overall energy regen

and just burst windows etc

[tribal badger]

i mean its usually that way for outlaw too, kir has been the top simming raw dps for along time now but people still stick with HO in pvp

that being said, usually when a build is so bad its leaving 15% pve dps on the table, it will struggle in pvp

honestly law is enough of a setup spec u can probably make it work with almost any build (similar to sub that way)

giving up large amounts of dps probably more impactful for sin

or generally specs that win with just overwhelming pressure

[spring bough]

You should pickup crackshot lol

[stoic spruce]

already did

as much as it irks me, I gotta have it

[spring bough]

Was doing KIR trickster. It’s fun but harder to play

HO flows so much faster

But KIRs dispatch damage looks nuts and so does BTEs using it

What’s the average KS you get?

[stoic spruce]

Idak

but it def moves health bars

[spring bough]

Should try this. Having a lot of fun with this build

[stoic spruce]

more of the same

man this is boring

[spring bough]

I might drop loaded dice for something else but idk what

[stoic spruce]

every build you play is the same thing

people say its different but its really not

[spring bough]

Riptose, triple threat, or loaded dice what would you go with

Don’t get much out of loaded dice rolling every time bones is up lol

[solar glacier]

phew, 2 hours time before bedtime to get 80 rating in bgblitz before flag nerf tomorrow

ill just wait until we get buffed again xD

[spring bough]

Flag nerf??

[stoic spruce]

50%

[spring bough]

Ohhh talking bout the spell thought u were talking about games lol

[solar glacier]

i know u're joking everybody knows flag is getting fcked

[stoic spruce]

I didnt know until 20 mins ago

[spring bough]

I’m over here thinking they somehow nerfed the four grapple hooks with flag carrying lol

[stoic spruce]

I dont play sub though

im better than that

[spring bough]

I crossed twin peaks with the flag in less than 20 seconds last night. Was wicked

Enemy team didn’t even pickup our flag by the time I got back 😂

[solar glacier]

u playing OL right? 😄

new best fc in the game i suppose kekw

[spring bough]

Yeah. It’s great for running across the map to cap a base too

[stoic spruce]

another bug for outlaw

[spring bough]

What is

[stoic spruce]

breaking stealth with bte sometimes puts it on CD

[tribal badger]

ur not experiencing the stealth bug are u

[spring bough]

I’m still in the habit of using ambush as my first global from stealth

[tribal badger]

if u restealth during subterfuge u cant break stealth with BtE, crackshot has been disabled

u need to break it with a builder

[spring bough]

From when I played night elf and meld would put BTE on Cd

[stoic spruce]

nope, its my first global of the fight

[spring bough]

Just hit ambush it won’t hurt much lol

[tribal badger]

thats an odd one, ur sure ur stealth didnt get broken by something else?

[stoic spruce]

positive

[tribal badger]

theres a few other misc bugs that can cause it to break

one of them was that subterfuge does not apply the moment stealth breaks

theres like a 100 ms delay

so if u break stealth with ghostly or an auto and then bte in that window u might put it on cd

[spring bough]

Popo too fast with it lol

[tribal badger]

its very tough to do tho

[spring bough]

Popo. Do you have ghostly macrod to BTE?

[stoic spruce]

im not doing anything different

no I dont macro it in pvp

or pve really

but im not doing anything different than what I always do

adr rtb bte

[tribal badger]

and u didnt break ur stealth with ADR

wouldnt surprise me if that bug came back with todays patch

[stoic spruce]

nope. not even fatebound

so I dodged that chance all together

[lime oar]

Think I can mongo my way to 1950 in SS like I did early DF on arms warr?

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[lone anvil]

Have y'all been on the game since Tuesday maintenance

Wondering how paladin and disc priest feel after their changes

[jolly bear]

hey guys is shadowcraft worth dropping the second point in death perception?

[solar glacier]

yes no maybe idk

[potent pivot]

kinda just personal preference, but shadowcraft is very good

[jolly bear]

how is supercharger feeling?

[potent pivot]

it was doing okay

now that flag is nerfed in pvp we don't know

[jolly bear]

lol

[potent pivot]

supercharger is mandatory

flag is pretty much still mandatory

[jolly bear]

was it nerfed into being dog or just so its not overperforming

[spring bough]

Go outlaw. You’ll love it

[jolly bear]

no, I hate crackshot

[spring bough]

Then no pump for you 😭

[jolly bear]

i dont wanna pump i wanna one shot this aint m+

[spring bough]

Vanish resetting BTE one of the best QOL updates ever

You can one shot as outlaw with smoke bomb, stun, and a go ready

[jolly bear]

also, fatebound and trickster are lame af hero trees

[spring bough]

Hell you can load up 6 charges of supercharger combo points for a go if you’re down bad and just CRANK

[jolly bear]

i only play deathstalker on sub and sin

[spring bough]

trickster >>>

KS and unseen blades doing damage

[jolly bear]

ngl i do miss killing spree

idk why they only made it outlaw

[spring bough]

When it’s averaging 2.5mil for me every lobby / blitz. It’s fucking amazing

Even some of them getting CCd

[jolly bear]

I might hit up blitz

[spring bough]

Still averages that overall

[tribal badger]

2.5m i was going to say i hope thats per cast

[spring bough]

I’ve def had a 3 milly plus KS lol

[tribal badger]

thats like 1/3rd of hp pools

or 3 btes

and 3 btes would likely have taken less time to cast

[spring bough]

I’ve got a 1.8 million BTE on a clothie in game during a crackshot window

[tribal badger]

mhm

[vocal surge]

I had KSs that lasted for 3s

[jolly bear]

thats hot

[spring bough]

Mhm as in bullshit? Cause it’s not lol

[tribal badger]

i had a full plate lobby sunday night and my highest BtE crit was 600k

no i was agreeing

[spring bough]

BTE is fucking pumping

[tribal badger]

the damage dif between cloth and plate rn is

absurd tho

[spring bough]

I’ve def got close to a mil on plate

[potent pivot]

it wasn't really overperforming so idk

[jolly bear]

i think they just like nerfing sub tbh

[spring bough]

WTB armor reduction poison like SOD has lol

Make these plate fear us more than clothies fear us

[jolly bear]

isnt outlaw the worst one to go against plate

[spring bough]

I don’t really notice it. Warriors health bars get cranked down in a go pretty swiftly

Same with DKs

[jolly bear]

dks get melted by all melee lol

[stoic spruce]

missing Find Weakness frfr

[vocal surge]

It'd make clothies be more afraid of us lol

[stoic spruce]

yeah I said it

[spring bough]

I love killing a warrior that has the parry defensive with crackshots

It feels so good lol

[jolly bear]

you can have find weakness.....

you just have to go sub

[spring bough]

Never happening lol

[stoic spruce]

I'd rather flay my peenie

[spring bough]

The day I’m forced to go sub I’m taking a vacation

[stoic spruce]

im rerolling game

[vocal surge]

the at home version

[spring bough]

I can play sin pretty decent. When it comes to sub? I’m lost

[vocal surge]

the real version:

[spring bough]

I can’t sit around and wait for goes. I’m all about that brawl

Feint off global making brawling even more fun on outlaw especially with elusiveness

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[gilded gulch]

Question, is rm just complete poop rn.

[stoic spruce]

nope

[gilded gulch]

did 2s for the first time in forever and fucked up let them have a clean open

didnt even feel in danger to trinket

[stoic spruce]

yeah dont do that

[gilded gulch]

probs just a low rated rm sucks

angle

[jolly bear]

im kinda sad goremaw's was brought back and no one uses it

[spring bough]

Man how do yall get that back and I’m still here waiting for cannonball barrage

[tribal badger]

subs fantasy never changed but blizzard has taken direct steps to make outlaw less piraty

because they dont want its dedicated flavor to be pirate

[stoic spruce]

which is wild honestly

[spring bough]

They just need to rename outlaw to combat again

[stoic spruce]

no thats dumb

[tribal badger]

nearly all pirate named abilities have been removed with the loss of DB tbh

[spring bough]

But we aren’t even pirates anymore lol

[tribal badger]

ok but why combat is a much dumber name then outlaw

at least outlaw is generic rogue flavored

combat is just

what you do with npcs?

every class in the game?

combat was always a silly name

its not like outlaw requires a pirate theme

or even implies it

[spring bough]

We should have something outlawy then

[stoic spruce]

we do

[tribal badger]

true make it so we cant go into cities or guards will be hostile towards us

👏

[vocal surge]

To be fair

Outlaw is pirate theme'd

[spring bough]

What the guns we got? Lol

[tribal badger]

only pirate theme left in the spec is RtB really

[vocal surge]

but Outlaw isn't a pirate theme'd word

[tribal badger]

and thats too core for them to remove

i mean theyve taken specific steps to reduce the pirate theme to minimum

[potent pivot]

feral caught some undocumented nerfs

[vocal surge]

It'd still make since if Outlaw was renamed Combat

[tribal badger]

outlaw is supposed to be a blanket spec for all the outlaws/bandits/highwaymen/privateers (pirates) etc

[stoic spruce]

theres more

[spring bough]

Sounds hot. Are they bad now lol

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-undocumented-class-tuning-datamined-class-tuning-with-october-29th-reset-349394

[vocal surge]

since we're combat focused just like sin is assassination (poisons and bleeds) or subtlety is stealth focused

[potent pivot]

BM nerfs too i think

[tribal badger]

how are we combat focused

what is combat to u

combat to me is everything every spec engages in when they attack a mob

idk how u could even be combat focused

[potent pivot]

ahh some of these changes ARE already covered

some aren't

[stoic spruce]

fire mage is just a qualified to be named combat

[tribal badger]

is a sub shadowdancing on someone not engaging in combat

[spring bough]

We have weapons 😂

[tribal badger]

is a sin stabbing someone to bleed them not them engaging in combat

[stoic spruce]

Fury is Combat guys

[vocal surge]

Combat is disarming lads, finding ways to side step lads and just smack em hard, disembowling lads with eviscerate, and cause them to bleed (rupture falls under the Combat tree in my book)

[jolly bear]

yeah but rupture's sound effects are music to the ears

[tribal badger]

ok

so all of rogue

[stoic spruce]

so fury

[tribal badger]

and quite a bit of monk

i mean every class in the game could be considered combat themed

its wht combat has always been a dumb name and will always be

people tied outlaw to pirate because legion did make it a pirate, but they called it outlaw

outlaw as a name has never been pirate themed

its fine

even with them wanting to go away from the pirate theme its fine

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[stoic spruce]

nah pirates are cooler

[vocal surge]

I'd be interested to see what they do for Outlaw if they decide to completely do away with the pirate theme

[stoic spruce]

and the archetype should be played into

[jolly bear]

I thought they did already

[vocal surge]

nah

[tribal badger]

nah u still have some stuff

[vocal surge]

they're still leaning into it

[tribal badger]

like objectivelly the pistol gameplay and RtB

are still pirate themed

[vocal surge]

not as much as in legion

[tribal badger]

altho i guess highwaymen used pistols also

so its really RtB which is the truest pirate themeing of the design

[stoic spruce]

its annoying how grey the identity is compared to literally every other spec

in the game

[tribal badger]

ya thats fair

u do lose something wehen it comes to cool flashy ability potential when u water down identity too much

[spring bough]

Cause we are a leather wearing warrior that can stealth

[vocal surge]

What about Gilnean theme?

[stoic spruce]

Aristocrap

Name has meme potential as we can see

[vocal surge]

Gilneans use pistols and swords

[spring bough]

So do Kul Tirans

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

Forever a kul tiran Stan now. Even tho nelf with meld is probably wrecking even more as outlaw lol

[tribal badger]

i mean idk where they really plan to take outlaw

if the hero talents r anything to judge by

they are also a bit lost

[vocal surge]

#RemoveRacialsFromPvP

[spring bough]

That extra stealth is probably so hot right now

[tribal badger]

fatebound is obstensivly the "outlaw themed" hero tree and its....

i mean who are fatebounds in the lore/game

[stoic spruce]

they picked the wrong class to do stuff like that imo

[spring bough]

Trickster >>>>>>

[tribal badger]

the only fate related npcs i know are the fatescribes and such from shadowlands

trickster is the sub themed one

[stoic spruce]

high fantasy archetypes on a low fantasy class

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

But sub used to use swords too so it applies maybe idk 😂

[vocal surge]

I haven't seen anyone who fits under the Fatebound theme

[tribal badger]

like i can think of rogues who would be tricksters

i can think of rogues who would be deathstalkers

can u think of a rogue that would be fatebound?

like famous npc

famous hero

famous anything

[stoic spruce]

thats the point though. Blizz said they had to come up with archetypes not already established in lore

[spring bough]

None

[tribal badger]

yea i mean i think part of that is that outlaws theme is so wishy washy

it is what it is at the end of the day

we r stuck with these probably forever

hopefully we get more hero trees in the future to pick between

[potent pivot]

i pray they go away next expansion

i mean there's no shot we keep them right

[stoic spruce]

doomed to poop out coins forever

[tribal badger]

wdym go away

[vocal surge]

I thought we were suppose to keep hero talents for the world saga series?

[fervent cobalt]

arg imma pirate

[tribal badger]

they are evergreen

they confirmed that like 5 times now

[half kernel]

So is the flag nerf to 50% on the dmge or the mastery stacks?

[tribal badger]

they said it was evergreen when they first started leaking them

[potent pivot]

mastery

[spring bough]

Hero talents?? I think they are here to stay lol

[tribal badger]

they are 100% here to stay

[spring bough]

Either that or a whole new talent rework yet again

[fervent cobalt]

100% they stay

[tribal badger]

unless they scrap the entire talent system at some point ye

[spring bough]

Back to the one talent every ten levels? 😂

[stoic spruce]

I'd be down. The last one aged like milk.

[potent pivot]

nah no way

i refuse to believe that

[stoic spruce]

sorry broseph

[potent pivot]

there's legit zero chance

[spring bough]

Do they add to hero trees or to the rogue / spec tree for next xpack?

[potent pivot]

what would they add next expansion?

to the 100 talents we already have?

[spring bough]

Probably just new regular talents

[potent pivot]

they couldn't add any more

[orchid plinth]

more things to break CC

[spring bough]

Or they bring back borrowed power

Or just rework all the trees so it feels “new”

[potent pivot]

remove them or riot

[spring bough]

New hero talents every xpack lol

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[orchid plinth]

Rework every rogue here tree

[fervent cobalt]

Just rework it

[orchid plinth]

"I flip a coin"
"I cleave"
"I do bigger dam sometimes"

so pog

[spring bough]

Give outlaw death stalker. Give sub fatebound

Give sin trickster. There new talents

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/bfDws.gif

[surreal barn]

What if we renamed outlaw combat

Just in this discord

Might get more people to play it

[vocal surge]

XD

tru

[stoic spruce]

not the kind I want playing it

[vocal surge]

make it the April Fools patch

[spring bough]

Outlaw is the cool kids club

[stoic spruce]

exactly

[surreal barn]

Combat is the cool kids club

[orchid plinth]

Rework Sub

[stoic spruce]

Pirate Outlaw is for the VIP

[spring bough]

I just wanna summon a pirate ship again that annihilates my enemies

[stoic spruce]

no can do bucko

gotta be the beige of WoW specs

[fervent cobalt]

I liked outlaw when it was combat with micro stuns on maces

Shit was amazing

[tribal badger]

its our job to encapsulate every form of rogue that isnt assassination or sub

and thats alot of them

we get the leftovers

[fervent cobalt]

Now outlaw is a pirate that throws fucking dice.

[stoic spruce]

thats such an L maneuver too

[fervent cobalt]

Lame as hell

[stoic spruce]

it is not

[spring bough]

Sub mace spec with hemorrhage. Bring it back 2025

[tribal badger]

now outlaw is an outlaw that throws dice

all the pirate stuff is gone

[stoic spruce]

yeah

get with the program

[spring bough]

Just mog as plunderlord with the rapiers. Pirate

[stoic spruce]

if outlaw were still a pirate, we wouldnt be having this convo and we'd go "oh yeah that makes sense" on move on with our day.

[tribal badger]

yes u can still do that if u like

[fervent cobalt]

Bro outlaw shoots a fucking old style pistol and plays dice uses his hook to board the ships of lame.

[tribal badger]

i mean there r plenty of pistol wielding factions in this game that arent pirates

RtB is really the only "pirate" fantasy left

[spring bough]

Grapple hook kinda like a ship anchor. Pirate theme

[stoic spruce]

survival shoots with a pistol now

[spring bough]

What. Why do hunters copy us

[tribal badger]

grapple hook like the belf faction leader

[stoic spruce]

thats the stretchiest of stretches

[tribal badger]

he has a grapple hook

[fervent cobalt]

Not hating or anything just saying. I'm in fact making another rogue just for outlaw cuz sub is gutted.

[tribal badger]

he must be a pirate!

[waxen meteor]

imo pistol shouldn't be in same game as dagger

2077 vs 1840

[fervent cobalt]

Lol

Bang bang

[spring bough]

You’re right. We should be pulling out like a machine gun or something

[fervent cobalt]

Lol

[stoic spruce]

funny how there are rifles with laser sights and flintlock pistols coexisting

[waxen meteor]

no that has to be plate class

[spring bough]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-a-machine-gun-vanguard-firing-a-machine-gun-intense-gunfire-open-fire-gif-20295147

[fervent cobalt]

Lmfao

[tribal badger]

well they do sorta have a consitent theme going on with the pistols at least

that being they are never a main weapon, just a side weapon

pistols from this fantasy setting would generally be unweildy to use mid fight, especially in melee range

[spring bough]

This would be the perfect fan the hammer pistol shot visual 😂

[tribal badger]

which is why the proc for you to cast a buffed pistol shot as outlaw is named "opportunity"

[fervent cobalt]

Class fantasy is so important To me. It's why I never play outlaw in the first place

[waxen meteor]

imagine your side weapon 100000 more powerful than your main

Mike Tyson with dagger will not challenge you with pistol

[tribal badger]

i dont think a medieval style pistol would be 10000 more powerful then a sword

idk are u just considering a glock

when u think of these things

lol

modern pistols sure

[waxen meteor]

i think there's no medieval pistol though

[vocal surge]

Nah

[stoic spruce]

nah that thing shoots 7.62 NATO. Thats Crackshot with insane Ace procs.

[vocal surge]

If we're going by power scale

A gatling gun is the msot op range weapon for us

[fervent cobalt]

Yea cuz you have to load it like 1700 calvary

[tribal badger]

original pirate pistols that fired one time per reload and had an average accuracy of like 8 feet?

lol

i think theres plenty of historical context for "strong but cumbersome" pistol sidearms

mostly pirate themed mind you

[waxen meteor]

that's true probably

[fervent cobalt]

Arg take this shot to the chest matey

[waxen meteor]

but what about the riffles from hunter

[tribal badger]

which is why the idea of outlaw at its core is

you stab until you "find" the oppurtunity to get off a pistol shot

[fervent cobalt]

Just like a pirate

[tribal badger]

and the pistol shot does indeed hit quite a bit harder then our stabs

[fervent cobalt]

With his cutlass

Arg

[stoic spruce]

no

[spring bough]

Perfect argument to blizz for us to get Find Weakness back

[fervent cobalt]

Arg take this you scallywag

[stoic spruce]

it really should just stay pirate because I personally find this so cumbersome

[spring bough]

How about this subs. You give us find weakness and flag gets unnerfed. Sounds great to me

[fervent cobalt]

Every outlaw should come with free eye patch and wooden peg

[spring bough]

Whose down to trade that talent for an unnerf 😂

[fervent cobalt]

I don't even like flag

[vocal surge]

Give us Expose Armor

lol

[stoic spruce]

or plunder armor

make the rets nakey

[waxen meteor]

tbh i think ret seems to be quite good now

[vocal surge]

[stoic spruce]

yeah only absolute fotm fools think its bad rn

[halcyon timber]

XD

[stoic spruce]

theyre mad they cant spam their rotation wrong and still win anymore

[spring bough]

I don’t like playing rets

[safe pelican]

Where are the patch notes for today ?? I don’t see anything on rogue but the master assassin nerf for assa

Is that it ?

[spring bough]

BOP is too annoying

[waxen meteor]

what where?

[spring bough]

Master assassin took a 5% hit to its crit and flag got 50% nerfed

[waxen meteor]

portal pls

[halcyon timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-undocumented-class-tuning-datamined-class-tuning-with-october-29th-reset-349394

[surreal barn]

I gotta show you my hunter xmog lol

[waxen meteor]

show

[surreal barn]

I’m trolling and running lone wolf and have this dark ranger sniper theme going

[stoic spruce]

OH I thought the sea was called teh "Forbidden Sea". I just learned, after 20 years, it's called the "Forbidding Sea".

[surreal barn]

Will send you later

[stoic spruce]

SoB

[spring bough]

Didn’t even know that had a name 😂

[stoic spruce]

everyone knows the great sea

personally I find it just okay

[safe pelican]

Crazy they don’t even say anything about flag on wow head

[stoic spruce]

got that thing in it

thats scary

[potent pivot]

already posted it

[safe pelican]

lol see this is that bs why is that undocumented information

[safe pelican]

My bad pops i was asking cause i never saw it

[halcyon timber]

Slick, haven’t been around till now but saw someone asked

[stoic spruce]

just let him get his power fix

[potent pivot]

it's mostly the same changes that were announced

as far as i could tell

[stoic spruce]

and how far is that?

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

so lik

ee

7 feet?

[potent pivot]

rogue/warr changes looked the same

sham/dk looked the same

[stoic spruce]

chat what do I do

[halcyon timber]

Druid buffs on moonkin to healing it looks like

[potent pivot]

didn't bother looking at monk/lock etc

[safe pelican]

So flag is basically being cut in half beneficially

[potent pivot]

ye

[spring bough]

Go trickster HO supercharger and just deal with not liking it cause you’ll be deleting everyone off the map

[safe pelican]

Rip

It was a good run

[halcyon timber]

UA buffed in pve but is reduced in pvp

[tacit crane]

uh

why beneficially?

[spring bough]

Time for yall to blast Outlaw

[safe pelican]

Duration is the same multiplier goes from 1 to 0.5

[halcyon timber]

37.5% mastery at 30 stacks as the amp

[tacit crane]

isn't that a nerf?

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[safe pelican]

Def rolling outlaw for bgs been having a blast on it when i get home just gotta finish gearing so i can play rated don’t wanna see out the game for once

[tacit crane]

how's that beneficially?

[potent pivot]

i think he just mis worded it

calm down lol

[stoic spruce]

maybe

[halcyon timber]

Reading too much into it man

[tacit crane]

I was just wondering if we had another buff that compensated that nerf that I didn't read

[stoic spruce]

I cannot force myself to play crackshot

[tacit crane]

I'm not freaking out lol

[stoic spruce]

I have to be in the mood

[potent pivot]

nope

[stoic spruce]

screw it, im rerolling game

[spring bough]

Trust. You’ll be deleting people off the map. Once that happens you’ll be okay lol

[stoic spruce]

rerolling

game

[tranquil jay]

If NA up someone update me on Sub dmg 🙂 ty

[potent pivot]

Dead

[stoic spruce]

also I have to wait on queues

[potent pivot]

Dumpstered

[stoic spruce]

I want to play NOW

[spring bough]

When I got my first stun lock KB throwing smoke down last wednesday night it felt amazing. Was like damn outlaw is BACK BABY

[potent pivot]

Yw

[tranquil jay]

Is it lmfaoo

[potent pivot]

Idk

[stoic spruce]

where it belongs

go reroll to dk so I can farm you

[spring bough]

Back to the bottom of the meters? 💀

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[halcyon timber]

Popo : cheezits or cheese puffs?

[stoic spruce]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

cheezits

[potent pivot]

He’s definitely an uncivilized cheese puff consumer

[tranquil jay]

feral nerf did a lot 🙂

[spring bough]

Yeah he def lying lol

[potent pivot]

Touches the keyboard with orange fingertips

[halcyon timber]

Lol

[potent pivot]

And everything

[stoic spruce]

I've got a duel in Durotar with your name on it

[halcyon timber]

Spray tan finger stains

[spring bough]

Whole tub of them in one sitting too

[potent pivot]

LMAO

[tacit crane]

Anyone has a video on how outlaw works? I've never played it

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-say-bleh-gif-26378492

wait

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-say-bleh-gif-26378492

[devout bear]

roll some dice, swing your sword and shoot some with ur pistol

[halcyon timber]

Tobasco cheezits are sick af

[spring bough]

It’s there so u got dust left when u finish the tub

[stoic spruce]

omg theyre dancing!

[tacit crane]

ah yes just apply poisons and bleeds as assa

<_>

[stoic spruce]

tumtum hurts

[halcyon timber]

A mcrib will fix that

[stoic spruce]

are they back?

[halcyon timber]

Dunno

But i like em

[stoic spruce]

all rib sandwiches taste the same to be no cap frfr

I like the spongey texture

[spring bough]

Ecoli quarter pounders for a cleanse

I literally ate one the day that article came out….. 😂

[stoic spruce]

I'll take one Ecoli quarter pounder please. Extra E.

[halcyon timber]

Mcdone for sure

[spring bough]

That was last week. Still here so I guess I’m home free lol

[stoic spruce]

I wonder what they do with the left over food

[spring bough]

Throw it out

[halcyon timber]

Mulch it and give it to birds or something probably

XD

[stoic spruce]

im gonna hide out behind my mcdonalds

getting me that dumpster big mac

[spring bough]

With all those preservatives you can pick it up a week later

[stoic spruce]

nuh uh

the sauce will curdle

chat why does moldy bread smell fruity?

I accidentally added "chat" to my vocabulary

when speaking

[vocal surge]

Did someone say

The McRib

[stoic spruce]

I made the perfect fried egg the other day and I said "Chat type 1 if this is a perfect fried egg."

[spring bough]

To your imaginary viewers? 💀

[half kernel]

So if we are sub do we just quit

[worthy crag]

What is a perfect fried egg?

Aint scrambled thats for sure

[stoic spruce]

Yeah :(

[vocal surge]

On the subject of eggs

[spring bough]

Gotta start somewhere chat. Next year you’re the new Speed

[vocal surge]

I do mines Sunnyside up first

Before scrambling it well till they puffed up

[fervent cobalt]

I mean probably

[stoic spruce]

You gotta add more butter than you think and cover it

[spring bough]

Outlaw

[vocal surge]

What you mean?

I use only a touch of oil for my eggs

[stoic spruce]

Why tf you flipping?

[spring bough]

That made my brain hurt lol

[stoic spruce]

EWWWWWW

[spring bough]

Butter for eggs >>>>>>>

[vocal surge]

Butter for Eggs overrated

[spring bough]

Gotta use real butter not that fake shit

[vocal surge]

Can barely taste it

[spring bough]

Yolk running only way to go

[stoic spruce]

I'm not listening to take from people that flip fried eggs

[spring bough]

Flip then turns into scramble lol

[vocal surge]

If I'm in the mood for it

Raw eggs

Straight from the shell

[stoic spruce]

Freak

[spring bough]

Anime style drink

[potent pivot]

It’s probably still viable for any goals you may have

[worthy crag]

Will it be very stressful though

[stoic spruce]

John Bully invented bullying just for people like you

[spring bough]

Or survival is the new better rogue 😂

[half kernel]

I mean i have rank .5 goals

[worthy crag]

whats a rank .5?

[solar glacier]

i'm like 80 rating before reaching 2.1 on my sub. Rather than tryharding now ill just wait and do it either before ssn ends or when it's buffed again. Rather play Feral or Outlaw in the meantime

[stoic spruce]

Top. 5%

[solar glacier]

also when mmr is more inflated it'll be easier too

[worthy crag]

ah so like oldddd glad cutoff

Yeah if ur goal is a specific rating for illusion etc ur best time is last week

[half kernel]

I think it all started when they gave hunters camouflage. Stealing our identity and what not

[stoic spruce]

Hindsight 20/20

[worthy crag]

no

it started when they gave warriors intervene

[solar glacier]

it started when they took Demo Warlock Meta and gave it to DH

[stoic spruce]

I started week 1 of vanilla

An old dog

[vocal surge]

Old camo was half stealth lol

[worthy crag]

as if bladestorm fear stormbolt disarm war banner shockwave kyrian spear wasnt enough

[vocal surge]

If they moved, you saw them

[worthy crag]

anyway, the game rewards nothing for being top 0.5%

[vocal surge]

It isn't like know where it's just like stealth without the new stance bar

[worthy crag]

I kinda miss the old cutoff system

[solar glacier]

old camo was like stealth in Heroes of the Storm

[worthy crag]

But im prob too old now to get it like I did back then

[spring bough]

Isn’t it 0.1% for the legend permanent title

And for the forged marshal

[worthy crag]

Yeah and rank1 in 3s

Unrelated topic but i wish theyd widen the reward range to top 0.5%

[vocal surge]

Yeeee

[spring bough]

I’m 100 rating off the solo shuffle outlaw one. Pipe dream lol

[worthy crag]

rn its just pro players and their 4 alts hoarding the title

[spring bough]

Yeah top 5 for outlaw would get it right now

[worthy crag]

unless ur on a super popular and inflated spec like dh or ret

[spring bough]

And I’m at 11 😭

[orchid plinth]

hello fellow PIRATE ENJOYERS

I fucking love PIRATE rogues

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[stoic spruce]

What game is that???

I wanna try!!!

[vocal surge]

:3

[orchid plinth]

This is looking so strong now with the new Slice and Dice changes...

[potent pivot]

Dead talent

[worthy crag]

ppl play that shit?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[spring bough]

Needs a rework

[orchid plinth]

I dont think anyone played it BEFORE the Cut to the Chase changes, no?

Now its just... Forgotten.

[spring bough]

0 probably

[worthy crag]

you know what needs a fking rework

manueverability

fking joke of a pvp talent

[spring bough]

I’m thinking of dropping loaded dice for dirty deeds. 0 cost cheap shot sounds great for goes

Especially without having vigorous now

[potent pivot]

Yep we need old manuv back

[spring bough]

Any one play with dirty deeds?

[worthy crag]

If I wanted half duration half cd sprint Id cancelaura it halfway thru and vanish to get the cd back

Oh wait shadowdust is gone too ! 111

[stoic spruce]

Good

[spring bough]

Should play outlaw if u want CDR 😂

[solar glacier]

Tomorrow when i wake up and Theres no sub change reverts or other compensation all my gear will be recrafted for outlaw. Ill Build 4pc too and will let go of sub until last week of the ssn

[orchid plinth]

Ok