Like everyone is entitled to their own opinion
#pvp
worthy crag
Thats fine, I think its okay for people to be opinionated and get upset when they are responded by what they consider "dumb opinion"
but opening a topic with a very strong take and not following it up with the details is what kills it for me
potent pivot
Yeah
worthy crag
Its kinda crazy seeing on murlok io that subt/double vanish is the least picked out of tea/forced induction/deeper
not sure if I ever want to take that route
potent pivot
Yeah it’s cringe
worthy crag
I honestly won't mind 1 vanish charge as much but litreally no subterfuge is insane
potent pivot
It’s does the most dam but no subt as bonkers
worthy crag
and that point there's not even a point to have meld
yeah maybe sub is at a point where it has to sacrifice even its utility for all possible damage
potent pivot
With no subt dracthyr prolly feels nice
worthy crag
if there comes a world where no subt is the norm and meta, orc will def be top
which opens my own hot take that they should re-add relent trinket to the game
so I can be human again
potent pivot
Well dracthyr is bugged atm
Getting healed from a passive it shouldn’t be or something
worthy crag
for all dracthyr? like vokers too?
worthy crag
nice job by devs
seriously though, now even paladins have stun reduction
just put back in relent trinket so its fair for all classes
potent pivot
Giving all of them stun reduction does seem mind boggling
Like
Everyone else has to go orc for it
But since they can’t go orc they get it on all races
It’s a bit fucked
tranquil jay
just put back in relent trinket so its fair for all classes
Yes, i would like to blind for 3 second into rele trinket with 2 min cd, which will break anyway cuz all of sub talents are breaking cc
Amazing idea
I dont even understand, in SL secret tech didnt break CC, in dragonflight+tww it does
Also Sub had aoe evis setbonus, they fixed it so it wont break cc also
Now they simply just cant do it
worthy crag
its amazing idea, because it still takes away their ability to use an active trinket
It actually hurts blind less than when relent actually existed in game, because it was 8 sec -> 6.4 seconds which is 1.4
now it'd just be 5->4
safe pelican
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
worthy crag
Blind is always supposed to be chained with something else anyway
even rn just blind on its own is 4 globals
worthy crag
most of the cc nowadays is micro cc
it wouldnt even rly be meta to take rele
even if it existed
sharp comet
is rupture as sub even worth pressing anymore
it does nothing now we are evis focused
worthy crag
the textbook answer is "it doesnt hurt to have it ticking"
it's still pretty significant like
if you consider a standard setup and burst duration is 6~8 seconds
rupture dmg over that time period is still pretty impactful
potent pivot
rupture dmg over that time period is still pretty impactful
Well most builds are dropping Replicating
So it’s still good but now that we have actual damage it doesn’t feel as mandatory
potent pivot
is rupture as sub even worth pressing anymore
Short answer is yeah pretty much what galb said
So far I tend to press it less than before 11.0.5
sharp comet
yeah that is fair, it was usually in my opener
potent pivot
It can also still help line up finality evis with darkest night
sharp comet
sounds like if its not in my opener. but ticking if they are still kicking, im winning
ah true
potent pivot
I think the biggest thing is to just make sure you don’t spend any Supercharger charges on it
4piece Crit gem null stone embellishment
- 5,892,356, 5,945,703 null stone vs 5,877,251 crit gem no null stone
4piece Crit gem Versa amp embellishment - 5,769,790, 5,831,170
2piece crit gem null stone
- 5,503,494 vs 5,371,698 versa amp
Stats
4piece: Other embellish 85% mastery, 19% versa, 16% crit, 21% versa if versa amp, 87% mastery if no crit gem.
2piece: other embellish: 91% mastery, 20% versa, 14% crit, 22% versa if versa amp.
Test rotation: Shadowstrike -> Flag -> Kidney -> Dance/blades/symbols/on use -> Shadow strike -> Rupture -> Backstab -> Secret Tech -> Cheap shot -> Evis -> Cheap shot -> Resymbols / Tea Evis (7stacks macabre, finality, darkest night, symbolic victory).
- All tested without radiant power so less variance, tea instead of subterfuge, going off physical evis not adding shadow evis.
- Engi bracers/goggles mastery. Pure crafted mastery. Some 25% versa tests also listed.
- Pvp tar dummy more than double what it is on players.
- 2x null stone should be about 1.2% more crit damage up from 0.75% on algari gem. Null stone is worse in pve than focusing lens and modern nerfed cc is basically m+ pve arena so focusing lens being rng 3-7+% of your damage prob still far outweighs null stone even if it was a noticeable increase (Null stone or Crit meta gem didn't seem to effect much maybe bugged).
*If I danced the kidney for more stacks of macabre and fit in another global with the first dance could prob get to 9stacks of macabre for a massive dfa. 7,618,828
Others: 25 versa pvpgem 2piece, pvp gem 4.7m. 4piece 24 versa pvpgem 5.3m
4piece full mastery pvp gem 5,906,333, 5,976,285, 5,800,310
Nahj post that to his disc yesterday
Looks like he’s still rupturing in the opener
It also looks like 4 set makes a decent difference
sharp comet
wild, that is good to know, i had been changing it up but that was my opener from the start
ezz
potent pivot
So we 4pc gamers now as sub?
We might be yeah
Because with Flag our big goes are way more important
And we should always use a Sec Tech during them
rain beacon
god damn
I just faced a war/pal and they had 5-6 immunities
to all phys damage
wtf
no way im killing them with undergear also
potent pivot
Ret warr is one of the most annoying things to right as a rogue imo
rain beacon
war dying fast but they have so many bubbles
ember jackal
Esp now that the pally can bubble with forbearance
ember jackal
I keep forgetting it when I plan my goes and it’s just like… well okay then lol
potent pivot
Ret warr is back on Tuesday
They are already getting their warriors ready for the big buffs coming
potent pivot
Yeah I’ve been seeing them like crazy since they announced the coming changes
Blizzard is off their rocker when it comes to balance rn
rain beacon
crippling poison doesnt even work on all the classes
im not gonna use it anymore
they just run away from me everytime 66% slow my ass
potent pivot
crippling poison doesnt even work on all the classes
It does, but other classes also have movement speed buffs or talents that help them with slows
There’s really no reason not to use it
earnest forge
What's the consensus of best spec to play in solo?
rain beacon
i see a lot of sub rogues in bg's
prob the same in arena
I dont see any other outlaw rogues in bg so far
rain beacon
i just tried sin on bg
you die by the time your dots get on
id think sub is best
outlaw dmg is weak
earnest forge
I'm not gonna say i'm the greatest player cause im not
earnest forge
but for the skirmishes and random caps I did, I feel like sub is useless outside of cds
rain beacon
well in arena and 1v1 sub might be the way
outlaw dmg is just too weak
Im going crazy
earnest forge
ngl I wasnt considering outlaw at all
earnest forge
with assassination I can feel the damage, but paladins -.-
rain beacon
im just starting pvp so dont take my opinion seriously
earnest forge
same.
rain beacon
im just playing outlaw in bgs and its terrible
I only like outlaw mobility
the dmg is not there
sub rogues lock me down
every class locks me down
and my outlaw dmg is not killing
potent pivot
What's the consensus of best spec to play in solo?
All 3 are good, play whatever you like most
earnest forge
my experience so far is getting my shit pushed in by better geared druids so I dont know
sharp comet
yes, we only have about 2:30 of "go"
rain beacon
whats sub playstyle in pvp
sharp comet
but you are objective focus, i am always running to next obj
will try focus a healer as I pass through
or cc something
earnest forge
spread cc and shadowblades evis spam si what Im doing
sharp comet
but generally, on flag, on efc, on point or on cart.
rain beacon
I joined an arena and my team always sad im outlaw.
sharp comet
never team fight, we get nuked
potent pivot
and not sure 100% on assa / sub
They both use same weapons
sharp comet
and always feint before combat XD
rain beacon
yeah we get nuked like crazy
sharp comet
or right after kidney/cheap on opener
rain beacon
I die in 4 skills from any class, but also undergeared.
sharp comet
honestly, fkn macro it since its off GCD now
earnest forge
yeah Im started to get used to feint as soon as they arent ccd
sharp comet
yeah, and evasion/cloak if you fight druid after DR caused cc to fail
they will insta try to stun and open
just stop it using cloak/evasion
earnest forge
I just feel like I cant do shit vs the ferals, hunters and shadow preists
sharp comet
shadowpriests are rough, v hard to solo. hunters are tricky if geared.
but shadowstep cancels rapid fire & aimed shot
potent pivot
We are pretty good into feral
sharp comet
gotta watch the bar
potent pivot
Hunter’s are disgusting atm
rain beacon
anything with a shield we are dead
earnest forge
I mean mm will onetap if given the chance
potent pivot
Either they’re still bugged or just overtuned
earnest forge
but bm will outdamage rotating cds with the fucking pet
sharp comet
oh, yeah, fake go till turt, vanish and rip off dots. then do real go full cc with no DR
potent pivot
anything with a shield we are dead
o.O?
rain beacon
war/pal combo is also going to have 6 bubbles before you can kill.
earnest forge
@sharp comet that would mean someone isnt fucking aoe spamming their shit by the hunter
sharp comet
reset* fuck me
sharp comet
<@236067056640851968> that would mean someone isnt fucking aoe spamming their sh...
that is very true, they are usually on obj so i fight em alone half the time
rain beacon
i also just got owned by an evoker who kited me and killed me in 4 skills.
earnest forge
everything cleaves in this game for some reason
sharp comet
blame pve for that
earnest forge
yeah, fucking m+
sharp comet
it should be disabled in pvp legit.
potent pivot
A lot of aoe doesn’t break cc
sharp comet
or be heavily tuned to not hit cc'd targets
rain beacon
Evoker will snare us and not get slowed by our crippling poison.
earnest forge
I feel like if most rotational stuff didnt cleave for free, pvp would be easier
@rain beacon evokers are inmune to slows with a pvp talent
when using hover
earnest forge
but at least evokers are "fair", their deffensive is an offensive cd too to not get silenced
rain beacon
unless you have a stun to make the evoker stand still, i stop chasing
impossible to catch them
earnest forge
will the void leech nerf be enough
earnest forge
they could nerf instaheals on druids too now that they are at it
potent pivot
Idk feral can be on the squishy side
earnest forge
if they dont use bear
potent pivot
Right now sub can kill them through bark/bear or whatever
earnest forge
still my issue with feral is the sheer amount of dmg more than survivavility
potent pivot
Are you running Veil pvp talent into them
earnest forge
im always running veil
potent pivot
Some have also been swapping to Fade to Nothing
And Elusiveness
Elusiveness Feint pairs well with Bait and Switch
sharp comet
elusiveness goated
earnest forge
not me not knowing wtf ur talking about 
potent pivot
Elusiveness feint+BnS is 36% dmg reduction when you feint+evasion or cloak
potent pivot
Ye
earnest forge
thing is
potent pivot
Bait and switch is a deathstalker talent
earnest forge
and hear me out here
potent pivot
Cheat is very good
earnest forge
i tried elusiveness
sharp comet
solo bgs not worth the time.
earnest forge
and Im positive with cheat death I could at the very least survive lots of things Im notwith it
sharp comet
intended purpose once every 6 mins
earnest forge
but yes I do run bait and switch by default
sharp comet
but imagine 25+ vers, 36+ damage reduction + dam reduction gem, thats a shit tonne of dam reduction
you are almost at the same dam reduction as cheat death
potent pivot
Well cheat is just good because it doesn’t need to be pressed before a stun etc
earnest forge
its a brain off deffensive
granite herald
Which keys do ya other rogues like to bind sap and sap macros on? I'm always finding it a pain trying to figure out what i'd prefer
rain beacon
sap for me is 2 i think
granite herald
Do know that's true but just curious, currently just using mousewheel up and down for various sap stuff
sharp comet
alt-4 for sap 🙂
potent pivot
Yeh mines on a mouse button
rain beacon
alt-4 for sap 🙂
awkward
earnest forge
yeah alt4 on sap is weird for something u need to be able to use while moving
sharp comet
not at all, not using it much, thumb goes to left of space (always resting) 4 is where my thumb sits on naga
4 is evis
i aint jumping while sappin
give it a go if you got a naga its a nice keybind tbh
potent pivot
I made my Naga Number pad 1-12
earnest forge
I have to invest time and brainpower
sharp comet
I made my Naga Number pad 1-12
yesm me too
earnest forge
for the longest time, I use qwe to move
candid tide
u evi with mouse side button?
potent pivot
With “-“ and “=“ for 11 and 12
sharp comet
yeah lad
potent pivot
yesm me too
That’d be alt-M4 :d
sharp comet
i do everything with my side button
earnest forge
but I still have a and d to move camera for no reason
candid tide
but u stil have to steerr also with mouse
so ud lose grip if u press ur side buttons toomuch
potent pivot
Mouse buttons don’t stop you from that
earnest forge
mouse buttons are on your thumb
sharp comet
thumb is what presses my side button
potent pivot
You get used to it
potent pivot
earnest forge
wut
potent pivot
If you don’t like it, you don’t like it I guess
granite herald
i returned the naga instantly : D
You sure it was a a gaming mouse or some diffrent type of naga ? XD
sharp comet
i also have show no spin mod, and have high dpi
my character is constantly spinning, while i have enemy camera focus mod
potent pivot
But when you change peripherals like that it takes time to get used to
You don’t get good with them over night
potent pivot
i also have show no spin mod, and have high dpi
my character is constantly spin...
A what now
candid tide
You sure it was a a gaming mouse or some diffrent type of naga ? XD
i think the naga side buttons are too far to the back of the mouse if u know what i mean
earnest forge
I have the panel with 6 buttons instead of the 13
potent pivot
i think the naga side buttons are too far to the back of the mouse if u know wha...
The new steel series mmo mouse has them closer to the front
candid tide
The new steel series mmo mouse has them closer to the front
ye that would be more ideal for pressing with ur thumbs
instead of reaching to the bak
potent pivot
ye that would be more ideal for pressing with ur thumbs
Not for most people
granite herald
Ah well to be fair i never had a naga, like the simple 2 side buttons and that's it, current mouse is like that a red dragon, but it has a sensitivity mouse button that i neeeed to reaaallly get around to check how to change
potent pivot
For me and a few friends we prefer the naga’s button placement
I know a couple ppl that like the steel series as well tho
It’s just personal preference and hand size
earnest forge
Im a naga fanboy, my original one from like 2009 still works, but got the pro v2 last year
just for durability itself, its worth
potent pivot
Idk razer does not have the best reputation for long lasting products
earnest forge
so I heard, but not my case
potent pivot
But they also warranty things very well
candid tide
i like to grip the mouse extreme hard for control in arena
so mby mmo mouse is not handy for that with the side buttons
potent pivot
That should be fine
The naga especially has a ring finger placement to help with that
earnest forge
so on the topic of keybinds, you guys use asd?
topaz bobcat
bro they really gonna let disc changes go live? i thought it was incomplete notes for pvp
wtf is happening
candid tide
why are they buffing disc smh
earnest forge
not unkillable enough
potent pivot
candid tide
literally in blitz 4 man cant kill a disc
potent pivot
so on the topic of keybinds, you guys use asd?
A and d for strafe, s for stealth
dapper chasm
I used to be a child once, using razer mice - but as a grown-ass man, I use the glorious model D
earnest forge
I think I eventually can use a and d
candid tide
so on the topic of keybinds, you guys use asd?
only ad for strafing, mouse buttons for forward and steering
candid tide
nahj too
earnest forge
but I cant live without my backpedal for minimal swirlies evasion
candid tide
muscle memory is no jk
candid tide
my philosphy on keybinds is big cds has to be on modifier so u dont accidentally press em
spammable abilties has to be on the front and never on asdzxc binds because the need to reach more
long shore
I've used Razer Naga for last 3 years, it broke once and I got a new one. How is steel series as a mmo mouse in terms of durability ?
topaz bobcat
hope they buff outlaw 5-10%
topaz bobcat
excellent decision babe
potent pivot
z? how the fuck
You guys don’t bind Z?
earnest forge
it feels weird to use
potent pivot
I bind z,x,c,v
candid tide
do bind those but not for rotational abilities
potent pivot
Ye same
candid tide
u wouldnt want to have z as ur backstab or shadowstrikes
potent pivot
Mine are like crimson vial and other shit
glossy pagoda
dumb question. is sub still the best and really only viable rogue spec in pvp still or has that changed. Haven't looked into pvp in a minute
potent pivot
dumb question. is sub still the best and really only viable rogue spec in pvp st...
All 3 specs are viable
rain beacon
im not having fun as outlaw so far
potent pivot
You’re not even geared yet 
rain beacon
earnest forge
is it normal to deal half other classes dmg as sub in arnea
rain beacon
617 shouldnt be so far behind as to get nuked in 4 skills...
potent pivot
is it normal to deal half other classes dmg as sub in arnea
Yes. Sub isn’t about overall damage
rain beacon
lol
earnest forge
a full set of crafted greens is 613 ._.
rain beacon
I just got 6 greens tonight that are 626 or something
earnest forge
get your bloody tokens and conquest
potent pivot
Yeah just keep gearing you’ll notice quite the difference
earnest forge
focus on getting bloody tokens while in queue
rain beacon
also I am not gonna be able to get pvp tier sets
earnest forge
and the conquest cap for weapons
earnest forge
you get any piece and turn it into tier?
rain beacon
we dont have that many catalysts yet to use for pvp
earnest forge
you what
rain beacon
i only have 4 so far
earnest forge
did you really get 0 tokens for tier set
while doing pve
or 0 set pieces from vault
that's unlucky af
rain beacon
ye
and its all mastery outlaw gears
gg
thought id try pvp with vers/mast gears
lets see if main gauche helps
gusty hedge
lets see if main gauche helps
go trickster & talent both main gauche.+ dodge/main gauche.
silent slapper
earnest forge
ye not a fan of assa with paladins every gamen
soft cloud
Does anyone have an example of how the opener is supposed to go now in arena with flagellation? Is it better to separate flag and Blades until you’ve got enough flag stacks, etc?
potent pivot
Does anyone have an example of how the opener is supposed to go now in arena wit...
you just flag like a couple GCDs before blades
openers and rotations are really situational
make sure you know how Flag works and the rest will kinda follow
soft cloud
So we no longer pre-blades at the beginning of our opener?
dapper chasm
Pretty much what I said would happen happened
Despite your protestations when I rightly mocked your builds
dapper chasm
Your builds in pins are weak and history will forget your bloodline
potent pivot
warped totem
any good macros for assassination pvp? just trying to learn rogue and do some solo arena/bgs
potent pivot
any good macros for assassination pvp? just trying to learn rogue and do some so...
only macros we really use are focus macros n stuff
warped totem
anything we should macro dps trinket onto ability wise?
im coming from war / dk where it just gets macroed onto avatar or uh frenzy
lime oar
Symbols prob
warped totem
Symbols prob
assassination
potent pivot
Symbols prob
wouldn't recommend that either now that we have extra charges
warped totem
oh, maybe it changged for assass murlokio said the on use one last week
lime oar
Thats true
potent pivot
oh, maybe it changged for assass murlokio said the on use one last week
nope, been proc trinket all season
a few people use badge because they spent conq on badge for sub
but most people have been running insig for a while
long shore
What embellishments are you guys running for sub ,?
potent pivot
just more of the same, either 2x Lens or 2x Duskthread
long shore
Ahhh man someone told me to use ascension
I guess that sucks for PvP?
I've been running 1x ascension 1x focusing lens
potent pivot
I've been running 1x ascension 1x focusing lens
yeah whoever told you to do that is uhhh
trolling you
long shore
Yeah I think I got trolled. Thankfully embellishments isn't too expensive. We just need to recraft right ?
potent pivot
Yeah I think I got trolled. Thankfully embellishments isn't too expensive. We ju...
ye
safe pelican
Sigh
I hate to admit this
But outlaw is the best bg spec 🦦
4 hooks and sprint is just insane mobility
safe pelican
I’ll watch it palmour didn’t make it so we stand a chance against nerf
sick wasp
its some good kill conditions u can see in there,not much but there are couple good isolations
proud vortex
i was thinking is boomy sub disc viable in 3s?
proud vortex
yea its always been like that
potent pivot
we are still w/e compared to feral, BM, etc
if we get even a slight nerf to the wrong ability sub is dead in the water
dead dead
lime oar
Yeah I wouldn’t say it’s over. That’s not 1 shot territory at all. I watched nahj go 2-6 in shuffle. It’s hard out here rn
potent pivot
yep
lime oar
Just for fun I’ve been doing this for non rated stuff and wpvp. I threw goremaw in where sepsis used to be to generate cp in the opener. Hits for 1m+ usually and I’m still hitting 3.5mil evis on dummy
potent pivot
where can I recruit healer
Maybe try Intensity discord server
I think forumsquad lfg is inactive
twin burrow
guys am i missing the idea of the new supercharge? i dont understand what makes it good
no cap
like how do you properly use it lol
potent pivot
like how do you properly use it lol
It just adds combo points to your finishers
twin burrow
do i need to land on the point
potent pivot
Nope
potent pivot
You get 2 charges
Of +2 combo points with supercharger
+3 combo points with forced induction
twin burrow
is it a ui bug that my combo points go blue like the old krian
potent pivot
Nope
twin burrow
and again i dont need to land them
potent pivot
That’s showing you how many charges you have
sick wasp
we are still w/e compared to feral, BM, etc
true and real,BM is very hard to deal with,i jsut queueing with a mage friend of mine,nothing special
trying to train my brain to ''see'' the opportunities
ferals are scary
personally ild rather face ferals than hunters,idk i think hunters got alot of stuff to F-us-up
surreal barn
Depends on what spec I’m rolling
As sub i love the hunter matchup
Good against them and good on our own team
spring bough
why is outlaw so fun
spring bough
wym its not you can get 1800 ez right now
topaz bobcat
Yeah I wouldn’t say it’s over. That’s not 1 shot territory at all. I watched na...
sub is one of those specs that can be overpowered in organized play but shit in shuffle
minor bolt
why is outlaw so fun
cause skill flow rly nice imo
topaz bobcat
wym its not you can get 1800 ez right now
I have alts, I just play the weekly FOTM to 1800 until it's outlaw's time to become FOTM
I am not playing non op specs
lime oar
sub is one of those specs that can be overpowered in organized play but shit in ...
Yeah that’s what I’m sayin, it’s abysmal in shuff specifically
spring bough
any1 doing the anniversary events? celebrate good fun quest gives 3 bronze and u can do it on each of your alts. got 7 alts ready to go to get the 20 more i need LOL
jolly sierra
bronzes are once per day tho
i have the quest w 2 chars and did with one
just got bronzes with one
spring bough
damn thought you could do it all in one day. did one alt yesterday and another today and got more. didnt realize it was one warband per day
spring bough
this monk one is pretty nice
inland thorn
How's outlaw in pvp atm
tranquil jay
SUpercharger fixed on EU too? it still hits wet noodle evis
vocal ginkgo
!hate
inland thorn
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
inland thorn
This outlaw build in the pins is criminal
stoic spruce
lol
good luck
its been through the ringer with testing
youd get more out of 2 stacks of SD
you do actually
inland thorn
Wdym
inland thorn
HO feels so slow though
spring bough
It’s not when you have 25% haste unbuffed lol
stoic spruce
you just grab more haste gear. so that when you dont have adr, youre not super slow
and when you do have adr, youre using the most out of it
spring bough
It’s because it’s fun as hell and you don’t notice when adr isn’t up as much
stoic spruce
you can get where you need to be with just conquest gear
stoic spruce
yes
spring bough
I do
stoic spruce
honestly theres no reason not to
spring bough
You get huge BTE crits with it
stoic spruce
Well mastery in pvp for some reason isn't that bad of a stat compared to pve so a mastery piece isn't that huge a deal
indigo hill
Tried pvp first time in patch. What kind of filth is Elesham?
indigo hill
They need a nerf. Together with MM and Feral.
inland thorn
I remember in sl when this didn't have a cd
And evasion was up all the time
You could kill unsuspecting melees in seconds
stoic spruce
who'ld've thought 100% uptime on evasion would've made the spec op lol
good time though
I didnt play dust, I play flag/DB like a real outlaw player
spring bough
who'ld've thought 100% uptime on evasion would've made the spec op lol
I’m getting upwards of 40% uptime on feint lol
Trying to push it more
inland thorn
I didnt play dust, I play flag/DB like a real outlaw player
This was so peak
stoic spruce
I’m getting upwards of 40% uptime on feint lol
I was exaggerating
stoic spruce
This was so peak
easily my favorite iteration of Outlaw and I played it since 04
spring bough
Blunderbuss outlaw was fun
inland thorn
GSW was fun as well
spring bough
With this new change to take em by surprise with the extra time. I’m getting 90% + uptime even in BGs lol
spring bough
https://fxtwitter.com/Skayioh/status/1439082562635411457
Smoked
spring bough
Damn how do we get that 7 second kidney back that would be absolutely killer right now
spring bough
Not gonna lie feels weird playing without shadow step
jolly sierra
ppl is crazy
they are charging me 8k for replacing an embellishment
for mats + the item
spring bough
I’d try to work in supercharger with that
Even bigger dispatches with that
Prob want 2 vanish too for more BTE resets for GSW
inland thorn
No crackshot
spring bough
Just going for all dispatches?
BTE getting over a million on crits sometimes. Haven’t come close to that with dispatch yet
inland thorn
Because you weren't playing the Dispatch build™️
I don't think it's gonna work for the record but I'll experiment
spring bough
Dispatch build
this is what im currently running
spring bough
nah my haste makes up for it and i get a ton of roll the bones procs
havent even noticed dropping vigor most of the time
when adrenaline is down and you have 1 bad buff it is noticeable tho
inland thorn
I'm a believer
spring bough
i just had a 895k unseen blade proc in WSG lol
mortal jay
!wa
lethal roostBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
tranquil jay
Anyone else think that Sub is still bugged somehow? i still deal wet noodle dam compared to reset day even after the hotfix ( EU )
spring bough
halcyon timber
Anyone else think that Sub is still bugged somehow? i still deal wet noodle dam ...
Seems a-ok, a little staggered on the gcd sometimes but /shrug. prob nothing, just looks like weird “lag” at times.
dapper chasm
@potent pivot I have very exciting news
earnest forge
feral is getting nerfed?
topaz bobcat
not really
dapper chasm
No, I finished up my custom energy/cp WA
But first you gotta download this obscure media pack from 15 years ago https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15613-FerousMediaPack.html
And I'll upload the WA once I finish kicking this guy's ass
earnest forge
btw speaking of ui and such, is there any quick and easy way to copy the literal interface from a character to another? (rogue a, rogue b, same account different realm and faction)
I mean keybinds, skill setup, etc.
robust harbor
btw speaking of ui and such, is there any quick and easy way to copy the literal...
myslot is the best I've tried but it's not perfect
rapid furnace
@potent pivot do you know of a way to make certain debuffs bigger in better blizz plates
lone anvil
how do I import profiles to omniCC
omni CC isnt showing up in addons under options and when I type /omni CC into chat it doesnt pull it up
earnest forge
myslot is the best I've tried but it's not perfect
I used Action bar profile (fan update) and worked somewhat properly
it didnt work with talents, but bars worked
brave tangle
if you play deathstalker, when do you press coldblood if you play with kingsbane?
howdy btw ^^
hidden moth
Thoughts on master assa nerf
lime oar
Thoughts on master assa nerf
Where’s this nerf at
rare iris
What spec do you recommend for a fury warrior, non talented player to pick up if they want to get into rogue? Kind of want one spec to stick to and learn the ins and outs of during the entire season
hidden moth
Where’s this nerf at
tuesday 20% crit
hidden moth
going from, 25% crit to 20% crit is a nerf dawg
what ultimate
Master Assassin - Critical Strike Chance granted during effect reduced to 20% (was 25%)
im literally talking about this
u said right here "its not a nerf" to his response about me talkin on the nerf to master assassin
that whole exchange never even mentioned sub
jolly sierra
Master Assassin - Critical Strike Chance granted during effect reduced to 20% (w...
its fine
i rather prefer that than having that shit by 25% for barely 4s after breaking stealth
hidden moth
i rather prefer that than having that shit by 25% for barely 4s after breaking s...
facts'
now if only we can get it not bugged
jolly sierra
i think we should just raise our crit
hidden moth
i think crits should do 75% more not just 50% in pvp
really make our darkest nights hit for 2 mil
dapper chasm
is this any good in bgs?
The heck is this?!
hidden moth
The heck is this?!
timewalking lootr
hidden moth
was a very good dagger for p3 but u had to get exalted with av
by very good i mean comparable to molten core daggers which at the time of p3 was very strong considering bwl had only just released and u didnt have that many lock outs to try for bwl weapons etc
jolly sierra
why are u talking about that dagger rn
hidden moth
why are u talking about that dagger rn
someone got it linked it and asked about it. zanaken responded to their link above
robust harbor
vender in caverns of time was selling it so I asked if it was good
hidden moth
Gonna roll round with these
hidden moth
who needs a 2 set
hidden moth
wonder if the extra swing can proc poison
dapper chasm
That's like, double the poison
potent pivot
is this any good in bgs?
no
potent pivot
if you play deathstalker, when do you press coldblood if you play with kingsbane...
don't take CB
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> do you know of a way to make certain debuffs bigger in be...
i think there's a setting for it
potent pivot
Anyone else think that Sub is still bugged somehow? i still deal wet noodle dam ...
nop
brave tangle
don't take CB
Hmm. Some of higher solo Assa rogues use it. I guess to boost kb. But more don’t use it. So I’m a bit confused.
Ah well ty for the answer 🙂
potent pivot
Hmm. Some of higher solo Assa rogues use it. I guess to boost kb. But more don’t...
only 2 or 3. cold blood kingsbane is pretty garbage.
jolly sierra
im trying supercharge rn
potent pivot
Supercharger Envenoms hit way harder
jolly sierra
traded it for deeper strategem
brave tangle
Supercharger Envenoms hit way harder
Cool. Thank you! I’ll go with that 👍
potent pivot
This outlaw build in the pins is criminal
Do what
potent pivot
SUpercharger fixed on EU too? it still hits wet noodle evis
Ye it’s fixed
safe pelican
There is a 0.01% chance i get a coffee and grind epic bgs on my outlaw rogue all night
Blade flurry doing the lords work in cleave
Current Verdict : Outlaw is still only for sword mogs 
halcyon timber
There is a 0.01% chance i get a coffee and grind epic bgs on my outlaw rogue all...
Always get a coffee and slam pvp
safe pelican
Don’t tempt me lol
undone snow
I feel like supercharger is worse the higher mmr you get, at least for assa
When I kill with it they would have died without it cause they just have nothing left
And I can no longer “cheese”
jaunty osprey
NAH
dont listen to notrickz
cold blood is insane
for KB
i'm 50-10 atm and rank 2 rogue in shuf
just press it sub 35%
and you will pretty much always kill someone
with sudden demise
jaunty osprey
idk
the EU rogues run it
and I run it on NA
no one runs it because
they just copy others
they dont actually try shit themselves
potent pivot
the EU rogues run it
I guess they aren’t in the top 50 on murlok
surreal barn
Prob stacking hella mastery too, are you running two set
jaunty osprey
4 set, but 4 set doesnt matter
jaunty osprey
i mean
potent pivot
You can get #1 shuffle with any build almost
jaunty osprey
1.5m cold blood kingsbane into sudden demise wins games so much more than
having an extra combo point
jolly sierra
having an extra combo point
yo dude, can you tell me why are u running authority of the depths as main nchant?
potent pivot
1.5m cold blood kingsbane into sudden demise wins games so much more than
I can see where you’re coming from
jaunty osprey
yo dude, can you tell me why are u running authority of the depths as main nchan...
my last round
potent pivot
But everyone has a different opinion on the builds right now
Trill says dropping Deeper is troll
For anything
jolly sierra
my last round
fair enough
potent pivot
It just depends on who you ask
potent pivot
Everyone can see success with a different set up if they play the game properly
I’ve been able to close out a lot of games with just MA+KB
With the Supercharged envenoms
Dropping shiv->KB into 2.5m envenoms
undone snow
my last round
Do you always play the kb build or sometimes take the full cleave no kb
potent pivot
Cold blood legit makes 1 hit of KB hit harder
undone snow
KB always, i dont like sbs because
Do you pop cds on opener with this build ? I find myself holding too much when I try it
jaunty osprey
depends in 3s, no
undone snow
i cant gouge
Yeah fair but I hate kb against hpals
jaunty osprey
if shuffle, we're a momentum built spec
if you ever have to play defensive
you just lose with pugs
so i send stuff on openers
sap into resap with subterfuge
into garrote on healer
into blind
into kidney
cheap shot on main targets with full bleeds + deathmark
undone snow
you just lose with pugs
Yeah I’m stuck mmr right now and you’re right I end up playing def on the rounds I loose
jaunty osprey
i like sending CDs right away and cheesing with KB cause literally 4x evokers
and u still win cause they cant do anything about 35% to 0
if they caut, u just get 30% nature damage for your KB as well
with lingering darkness
jaunty osprey
some first kb some second
undone snow
Insane
jaunty osprey
u dont always have to insta send CDs as well
for shuffle, just important to not play too defensive
cause u fall behind
undone snow
Another thing, pvp talents when you don’t need veil\disarm what do you pick along with smoke \ shivhealreduction
undone snow
Nice I’ll go back to grinding trying to get that 2k4 🫡
jolly sierra
BTW guys got the xmog this season
gotta rest for now, i just played more this weekend because i would barely have time next week
(the NE is just for the pic, got it w the panda)
languid ravine
shaman is still busted isnt it? I am losing 4 health bars in a row on my mage
in 10 seconds
jaunty osprey
ya
potent pivot
the top 3 in EU shuffle
as far as i can tell the top 2 do ye but like no one else idk
jolly sierra
Bring back /spit
to spit the 90 dollar mount ye ye
jaunty osprey
me and jw both playing it for NA atm too
i put him on it this week
and he likes it
potent pivot
I’ll give it a shot
stoic spruce
A.... crackshot?
potent pivot
I don’t even tryhard lining it up
jaunty osprey
uptime too low
potent pivot
I just make sure to use the charges on env
jaunty osprey
i tried double deeper
and then went symbolic instead of lingering
it isnt bad
just too many dev evokers and locks at top of shuffle
so i cant ever kidney and then
potent pivot
No one expects that damage
potent pivot
From assa
jaunty osprey
it works well on openers
since imp garrote gives u 3 combo points and u can spam that shit
potent pivot
I tried it
But I can’t justify taking it over tea or vanish
My biggest envenom on a player was like 4.8m
But that’s them using zero defensives and everything lining up
jaunty osprey
i'll try without lingering
potent pivot
I’ve been swapping back n forth between lingering and symbolic a lot
The thing is like
Sudden Demise is still going to benefit from Kingsbanes dot damage
But the envenoms hit harder than CB+KB initial hit as well
potent pivot
For supercharger as well yeah
potent pivot
Maybe I’ve just had really good luck with it so far idk but it has felt nice
potent pivot
Is that on a dummy
potent pivot
Radiant wouldn’t make even close to that much of a difference
jaunty osprey
potent pivot
You’ve still got tea as well right
potent pivot
KB and DM too?
potent pivot
Something else is off idk
I hit that with no darkest night
And no dfa lol
Try no dfa
Maybe it doesn’t work
potent pivot
It was working for sub day 1 of patch, people were hitting 5.5m evis with dfa
jaunty osprey
wait i pressed DFA again by accident
nah
DFA works
hit for 300k more with DFA
but yeah im only hitting 2.3m with symbolic
potent pivot
Hmm
jaunty osprey
and hitting 1.3m without darkest night
potent pivot
and hitting 1.3m without darkest night
Like that was on a player day 1 of patch - buts that’s DTB
But I was definitely doing more than you are with bleed build
potent pivot
Was like avg ~5m with DTB with everything up
potent pivot
And avg ~4m or so with bleed
jaunty osprey
gonna try that in a skirmish
is that on a dummy
cause i can definitely hit hard on a dummy lol
yours has to be on a dummy with that poison bomb damage
11 hits and that hard
and amp poison damage
potent pivot
is that on a dummy
Naw
jaunty osprey
0 versa?
potent pivot
The highest on a dummy I’ve seen just from fucking around was like 6.5m with forced
jaunty osprey
so
i just did it in a skirmish
everything lined up
amp
deathmark
tea
badge
darkest night
it's the same
2.5m
potent pivot
If that’s true then something is definitely different
Compared to day 1 of patch I mean
jaunty osprey
how long has darkenst night been nerfed for
surreal barn
Isn’t it more with lingering darkness
jaunty osprey
potent pivot
how long has darkenst night been nerfed for
Since Beta of TWW
surreal barn
Or am I mistaken
potent pivot
Isn’t it more with lingering darkness
Slightly
potent pivot
Idk maybe whatever they fucked on sub is also fucked for sin
surreal barn
I think darkest night use to be 50%
potent pivot
Because ever since supercharger bugged I’ve heard a lot of people saying they can’t hit 5.5m with evis anymore
surreal barn
Drop vanish for the extra charge - see if it unbugs
surreal barn
Is that with forced induction
jaunty osprey
no
surreal barn
Try it for shits
jaunty osprey
potent pivot
Makes me wonder if they nerfed the bonus damage from supercharger combo points
Or if it was just double dipping on day 1
jaunty osprey
did they bugfix smth
potent pivot
Well on like day 2-3 of the patch they fixed the outlaw bug
Everyone was abusing in pve
And that broke supercharger
It stopped working for dispatch, evis, and Crackshot BtE
But even then
potent pivot
I was doing 4m+ envenoms
jaunty osprey
but that's abolustely max
potent pivot
Maybe when they fixed supercharger to work for evis and dispatch they broke/fixed something for envenom
3m is nice but that’s too much investment
Into DTB and all that
For only +500k on it
I’ll do the math later tonight
To see if something is bugged or not
jaunty osprey
jolly sierra
are u sure is a good idea to min max an envenom?
potent pivot
I appreciate the clips
lime oar
so people think im playing it
Can u dm me your CB KB build? I wanna try that when I log in tn
potent pivot
Can u dm me your CB KB build? I wanna try that when I log in tn
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pretty sure it's that
the same as Blindsaplol from eu
daring ibex
Hi, is there something wrong with trickster sub ? Maybe I'm doing something wrong but coup de grace eviscerate should crank as a 15 cp evis but it hit bugged damage ? Hitting for 400 to 600k tops
jaunty osprey
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daring ibex
And the damage profile is weirded out as well it hits like 4 little hits
jaunty osprey
is what I use
blindsaplol uses symbolic victory instead of lingering darkness
lingering is better if you're going for CB KB sub 35%
potent pivot
Hi, is there something wrong with trickster sub ? Maybe I'm doing something wron...
Coup is many small hits
Not 1 big damage instance
daring ibex
But is it supposed to hit like a wet noodle ? Sometimes I don't even want to consume my finality procs on it
potent pivot
But is it supposed to hit like a wet noodle ? Sometimes I don't even want to con...
It should be hitting decently hard
narrow tangle
But is it supposed to hit like a wet noodle ? Sometimes I don't even want to con...
maybe lack of mastery
or timing
waxen meteor
control is king, maneuverability, DFA
finally someone feels the same as me, for kb and control is king both 
just read through the chat, seems quite similar to all what i have been thinking, just playing 100 times better as a player :)))
about sbs vs gouge, about open with multiple target cc, and feeling lack of cp with big evneom build etc.
rare iris
Whats the difference with outlaw and the other specs that makes outlaw the easier one to pick up?
potent pivot
Whats the difference with outlaw and the other specs that makes outlaw the easie...
Don’t know if I’d say it’s the easiest to pick up, but that’s super subjective
Outlaw is the highest APM spec, it’s very button spammy and has CDR based on your uptime and ability to cycle through finishers
rare iris
Like i said before i play fury warrior right now and im not that talented or good at the game. I managed to reach 2.2k in 2s and 2k in 3s so far this season and want to pick up rogue
I have trouble multitasking and keeping track of many things at once still even with fury that has relative simple rotation
potent pivot
Outlaw is probably the most similar spec to fury
It’s also the most tanky rogue spec
Sub is all about burst windows
rare iris
Are the specs very different or will it be hard to learn the other specs afterwards?
potent pivot
Assa is all about bleeds and keeping up consistent spread pressure on the entire enemy team
The most important thing for all 3 specs is using your CC well and keeping track of CC finishing returns
rare iris
Is there some general guide i can watch or read to get up to speed learning all the abilities and such?
and maybe learn an opener or something i dont even know where to start i only played warrior really
potent pivot
You could look at the wowhead outlaw pve guide for the basics on the rotation