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safe pelican
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pins build is great but i wonder how my build does without kb but i liked that build great dmg

potent pivot
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Supercharger wasn’t working on BtE for outlaw

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So this doesn’t surprise me

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Funny that it’s still working on Envenom though

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Haha

safe pelican
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downside is .... this tea nerf is TERRIBLE for assa omg you might as well play like sub

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cause when you need it you prolly wont have it thats crazy

potent pivot
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The Tea change doesn’t change shit for sin

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Not bad

graceful ravine
potent pivot
graceful ravine
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its more dps than mut or fok?

potent pivot
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Sanguine Blades uptime is usually pretty good regardless

graceful ravine
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i just spam buttons til my target dies

potent pivot
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But you shouldn’t be spamming abilities like a mad lad

graceful ravine
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never paid attention to pooling

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loooooool fml

potent pivot
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On ST it’s a little less value

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But yeah

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Sanguine Blades is a powerful talent with bleed build

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30% more bleed damage

graceful ravine
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what if my FOK hit 3+ targets

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the CP generated etc is still less dmg than sang?

potent pivot
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If you’re on 3 targets you should be energy flooded

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If they’re all bled and poisoned

graceful ravine
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true

potent pivot
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Getting bleeds and poisons up is #1 priority

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Regardless of your energy

gleaming pawn
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There’s no immortal pvp dummies anywhere right?

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The dummy instantly dying and always being under 35% is skewing the numbers from Zold

potent pivot
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It’s annoying as fuck

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You can talent out of Zold for the testing though

gleaming pawn
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True

safe pelican
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Love going against sub on assa as a sub main it’s like a game of chess , i need him cloak and he needs my evasion + trinket it’s like the game doesn’t start between assa and sub until that happens always a cool rogue bro cult feeling in shuffle

potent pivot
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Notable Rogue bugs for PvP 11.0.5

  • Supercharger is not working on Eviscerate
  • Supercharger does not seem to be working on Dispatch or Crackshot BtE
marble oasis
radiant glen
marble oasis
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i fix

candid tide
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supercharger not working but something just delete these dudes at times

marble oasis
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I haven't actually tried yet but is cheapshot also a second longer in pvp?

candid tide
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state of game right now is meme af

potent pivot
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it's the same as it has been

marble oasis
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Damn, i figured that would be the case. As 6sec cheap would be nuts.

half kernel
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What does eviscerate hit for now with the supercharger bug

potent pivot
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play deeper strat/tea/vanish

half kernel
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Then no change for me haha

potent pivot
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don't bother playing supercharger

half kernel
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Is this why some of us never hit 5m? Or is this much newer bug

potent pivot
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this bug started today

radiant glen
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good news guys, they fixed the bug with shadowed finisher not working with supercharger

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:^)

potent pivot
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Finality might not be working either

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according to Nahj rn

outer sky
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This game is so bad lmfao

potent pivot
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that looks like the Ascendance bug

outer sky
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they fixed the outlaw bug but not this?

potent pivot
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kek

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that bug wasn't as egregious in pve

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ele is ridiculously overtuned

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atm

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but also bugged

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so it's insane

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in pvp

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this game is in shambles kekw3

lucid citrus
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or has it been in shambles already lol

potent pivot
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there hasn't been a patch this fucked up since i came back to the game in SL

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not that i can think of

worthy crag
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has it always been bugged since tue?

potent pivot
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no

lucid citrus
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nahh it started today

potent pivot
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it started today with the outlaw hotfix

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some people say they felt like they were doing less dmg yesterday

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i didn't play sub much yesterday so not sure

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but on launch day it was definitely working on the Phys dam of Evis

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now it's only working on the Shadow

worthy crag
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sick

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good thing I already cappes

candid tide
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everything is so outta control

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as is my trickster rogue lol

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so rng

opal gust
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Finality currently only consumes the shadow dam part, they hotfixed rogue yday

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Also supercharges dont work on evis

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We lost 50% dmg

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Sick

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Good game rly

candid tide
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sometimes can just spam endless evis with shadowcraft

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ánd then its nothing dudes can do

vestal marten
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This might be a weird question but everytime I enter arena my mini map is gone and I cannot toggle it back on. Not even through settings or if I bind toggle on and off. Minimap is just gone but only in arena. Anyone know what the issue might be here or is there maybe some kinda script to bring it back? Can't find anything if I google it. Turning off addons doesn't help either.

potent pivot
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have you tried resetting your cvar settings

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get AdvancedInterfaceOptions addon

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and use it to reset all of your cvar settings

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it will reset all of your default blizzard settings too

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but that's the only way i can think of to try and fix your issue

vestal marten
potent pivot
candid tide
lusty epoch
vestal marten
potent pivot
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it's bugged for bte and evis

candid tide
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in betterblizzframes

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at misc

worthy crag
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"better"ed

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Kappa

vestal marten
# candid tide

oh ffs, thank you! I've been looking and searching for so long

potent pivot
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i didn't even know that existed

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and i've been using BBF with the setting turned on

undone snow
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If my kingsbane application crits, do all the ticks then crit aswell? Is it more important to have master assassin at the start of kb or at the end ?

potent pivot
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And technically the end but you mainly vanish for more big garrotes in pvp

lime oar
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So our evis should be hitting harder?

potent pivot
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Huh

lime oar
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I’m still only getting like 1.6-2.8 evis

potent pivot
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Check the pins

lime oar
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Oh ok I guess I meant to say has this been bugged since a hotfix or since the patch originally went live

potent pivot
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Since the hotfix

trail sigil
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i miss dragon tempered blades

potent pivot
trail sigil
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what do you swap out though

potent pivot
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this build kinda slaps

trail sigil
potent pivot
trail sigil
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nice i like this. ill report back

potent pivot
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you can swap Numbing to something else if not facing caster

lusty epoch
potent pivot
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apparently it isn't working on dispatch either

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you still get a little extra CDR from the combo points but no extra damage

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so it's kind of a waste to play

lusty epoch
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Drdagger and pikqboo playing this too feels better:)

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For me

potent pivot
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they don't know it's bugged

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do w/e you want no ones stopping you

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but it's actively worse

lusty epoch
potent pivot
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it's crackshot bte that doesn't get extra damage from it

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which is your most important bte's

lusty epoch
potent pivot
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i've already tried it and been testing since day 1

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if it wasn't bugged it would be the build we use imo for sure

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but with the bugs it just isn't

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it's even the outlaw build i put in the pins

lusty epoch
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Maybe i just like this blue combo but for me feels different xd i dont know xD

hybrid rapids
potent pivot
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it is still working on envenom

surreal barn
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Anyone else feel like everything has been so laggy

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Like going from one global to the next

potent pivot
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yeah

potent pivot
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if you use RS and Shadowcraft

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but really who fuckin knows at this point

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this patch is a mess

surreal barn
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Indeed

lime oar
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Yeah my GCD’s are crazy laggy

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Latency is fine.

undone snow
potent pivot
fading fern
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Unless you mean live, I've been working so I haven't got to play live yet. Just practice rotation between jobs.

safe pelican
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Did you get the mount fooker @spring bough

spring bough
potent pivot
spring bough
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not yet lol

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maybe christmas gift to justify lol

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i did get the black mammoth mount tho and the legacy achievement today

surreal barn
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Don’t need it anymore

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Everyone else has one

potent pivot
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@rapid furnace assa is really good right now

rapid furnace
potent pivot
rapid furnace
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Been thinking about trying assa in pvp especially 2s and Blitz. Dont know how it compares to Sub rogue tho.

potent pivot
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It’s quite good

viscid prairie
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Sub's fun in BGs with the cheese one shots

potent pivot
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I would say it’s better than Sub because Sub is bugged as of today

rapid furnace
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?

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Why is that

potent pivot
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Pins

rapid furnace
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Here or in sub ?

potent pivot
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Either

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I have them here as well

potent pivot
rapid furnace
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That does explain why i felt like my dmg was lacking.

potent pivot
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Yep

surreal barn
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Speak for yourself lol

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Tricksies is still holding it down

potent pivot
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Assa can envenom just as big as sub’s evis was before the bug though

viscid prairie
potent pivot
surreal barn
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What if

rapid furnace
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Still my question is, in terms of 2s (cuz i cant find 3s and im shit at soloshuffle) how good is assa there and in blitz how good is my pressure.

surreal barn
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You die in a single stun lock from me

surreal barn
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Okay - we’ll make it two cheap shots until death

rapid furnace
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Like, i love sub because of shadowdance but i also feel like assa just would be a better feral druide or rather an easier version of it

potent pivot
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If you’re doing 2s or mostly base camping I have a different build

rapid furnace
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I tend to pick out people in the back

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I dont group fight often

potent pivot
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Then use that build

rapid furnace
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Thats why i asked how good assa is.

potent pivot
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I’ve hit 4.8m envenoms

rapid furnace
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Im the type who sneaks in the back and trys to oneshot people

potent pivot
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With that build

potent pivot
rapid furnace
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Then let me ask this which one has a higher skill floor assa or Sub?

potent pivot
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Now that Dust is gone I’d say it’s close

rapid furnace
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Also is there a good way to deal with DKs as assa rogue ?

rapid furnace
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Thats kinda the reason why im asking all this. Now that we lost dust i cant decide wheter to play sub or assa rogue.

potent pivot
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If the bugs gets fixed and they don’t nerf sub I think it will still be good

rapid furnace
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But i feel like outside of like DKs with ams assa rogue will burst harder

potent pivot
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But atm I think assa is just as good as non-bugged sub

rapid furnace
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Not to mention that disgusting dmg once someone hits 34 %

potent pivot
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Ye assa does a lot more overall dmg

rapid furnace
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Guess im gonna try out assa in pvp then

gleaming pawn
rapid furnace
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I tried playing sub earlier and nearly got out dpsed by a pres evoker... like i know im shit

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But thats ridiculous

potent pivot
gleaming pawn
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TTK has been such a disappointment

potent pivot
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Yeah I didn’t care for it

gleaming pawn
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but we can't take dashing, so I guess it was never going to be great

rapid furnace
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So does that mean u just shiv befor darkest night envenom to get the supercharge ontop ?

potent pivot
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I even tried it with dashing

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Noticed zero difference

gleaming pawn
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damn, yeah I was pulling the same damage with and without it. Stopped trying to make it work after that

potent pivot
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Yep

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I was hoping the poison applications would beef up KB more or something

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But it just legit did the same dam

rapid furnace
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One thing im happy about that dust is gone

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Is that i dont have to think wheter its a good idea to vanish as a Semi Damage CD

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Now its mostly defensive

rapid furnace
# potent pivot Yeah

^do you happen to have a PVP guide for assa ? one that is maybe already up to date with the changes ?

potent pivot
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but nah i don't usually make full-on guides, just try to get the important information out likes builds etc

rapid furnace
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alright

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i guess ill just play around with that build of urs

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hope that it feels good, mostly because im an indecisive fuck ...

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been pondering wheter to play assa or sub for half a month

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im guessing assa goes Vers Mastery for poison/bleed dmg ?

gleaming pawn
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Shadenox hasn't posted an actually guide this expansion yet, but he usually has some good gameplay vods from his games that you can watch

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this just got posted

rapid furnace
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Does assa still have near unhealable dmg one someone hits 35 % if they have deathmark on?

gleaming pawn
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it's very good, but no it's not unhealable

rapid furnace
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im talking like 1v1 scenario not with a healer ^^

gleaming pawn
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and if you are using the more single target focused build NoTrickz posted, you don't have Sudden Demise for the big bleed out

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you get 30% increased bleed and nature damage below 35%. It's good but if you haven't used Kingsbane or if the enemy uses a defensive at all they aren't just going to fall over

rapid furnace
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sry btw if my questions are pretty stupid

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its 5 am im a bit smooth brained

rapid furnace
potent pivot
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unfort

potent pivot
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assa also uses 4p

potent pivot
gleaming pawn
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^^

potent pivot
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and if you play DtB you have less bleed damage to proc it

fervent cobalt
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Yo any idea when super charger gonna be fixed?

potent pivot
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no idea

rapid furnace
gleaming pawn
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Sudden Demise is kind gimmicky in pvp honestly

rapid furnace
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sadge

potent pivot
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we're working on getting it fixed

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reporting the information etc

fervent cobalt
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Damn dude

rapid furnace
fervent cobalt
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Not playing tonight I guess

potent pivot
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they have to hit 10% hp in pvp

rapid furnace
# potent pivot

oh yeah trick, for someone thats trying to get into PVP more do you think sub or assa is harder to get into ? im used to feral a bit but not much

fading blade
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sub is harder

potent pivot
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i don't think sub is that much harder rn

rapid furnace
gleaming pawn
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sub damage is rather scripted now, for better and for worse

potent pivot
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you definitely have to play cleaner now

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but the skill floor is lower than it was with Dust

rapid furnace
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ill be honest i wouldnt even be here if feral didnt have to use Cyclone ... i genuinly dont like Cyclone being a thing

potent pivot
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assa is also really similar to feral on a very basic level at least

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energy/combo points/bleeds/envenom

rapid furnace
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ill try it in a bit once im done with this damn Argus raid

gleaming pawn
rapid furnace
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i know

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but using it feels horrible to me

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i hated DF S4

rapid furnace
potent pivot
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the same

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if you aren't team fighting

rapid furnace
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and having to hard cast it

fading blade
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nerf clone

gleaming pawn
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that's fair

fading blade
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or buff blind to be on clone cde

lucid citrus
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so the hotfix post that was recently posted, are they live now or it hasnt been fixed yet?

potent pivot
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but those should be live

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might have to relog for them to be applied to you

lucid citrus
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ahh yeah im going to try that now

potent pivot
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don't expect anything crazy from those fixes

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they are superficial fixes that didn't apply correctly when they launched the patch

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the supercharger evis bug is still there

lucid citrus
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hmmm well that sucks lol

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lol yup youre right still there

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good thing i avoided playing today i would be so mad if i could not kill anything

jolly sierra
potent pivot
jolly sierra
potent pivot
jolly sierra
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7 tokens

potent pivot
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maybe more on eu

stoic spruce
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chat if youre new to the stream, calc is short for calculator

potent pivot
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it's like 1.5m on NA

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prolly 3m+ on EU kekw

outer sky
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DISCOVERY

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DISCOVERY

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DISCOVERY

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DISCOVERY

potent pivot
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.>

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post it g

surreal barn
jolly sierra
jolly sierra
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is even cheaper by tokens than the brut itself

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HAHAHAH

jolly sierra
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but still a cashgrab if u use $$$$$$$

potent pivot
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yeah i don't like it

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but let's be real here

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a LOT of people spent $500+ on the bruto

jolly sierra
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like w ahri skin?

potent pivot
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i just mean people who bought tokens for $ in bfa

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to get enough gold to buy it

outer sky
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ok sorry

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was in a game

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ok so

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maybe this is old news but

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I just found out that if you have the improved garrote buff

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or maybe just subterfuge

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but itd be weird if its just subterfuge because this never happened to me before the changes

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and you deathmark

stoic spruce
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aw I was hoping it was outlaw cooking

outer sky
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the extra garrote from deathmark

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silences

radiant glen
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this is 10.0 news

outer sky
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well sorry

potent pivot
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most likely an old bug they re broke with the patch

outer sky
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It just happened to me for the 1st time now

potent pivot
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with the 12 second window changes

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MA also isn't lasting 12 seconds

outer sky
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I did just 6-0 this lobby though. Gettin up there. Spitting distance from r1

potent pivot
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ele bug fixed apparently

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i think prot pal dam as well

halcyon timber
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Yep

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Good stuff

outer sky
candid tide
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dang assa it is then

potent pivot
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a lot of top players are sticking to outlaw

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like trill

outer sky
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assa is probably the worst rogue spec rn

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its good

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but others are better

potent pivot
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Well until they fix the bugs I’d say sub is the worst

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Went from best to worst overnight thanks to them

teal silo
somber plank
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what are the bugs?

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finally got to sit down to see the sub changes and so far feels like I'm cranking

teal silo
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I just got my rogue to 80

somber plank
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oh its the supercharger thing

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dang

wicked tide
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So supercharger still broken?

teal silo
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trill just said outlaw is like ughhhh and sub dead atm

hybrid sapphire
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i used to have an addon that would pulse an icon in the middle of your screen when it came off CD

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does anyone remember what it was called?

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nvm i think i found it? Doom_cooldownPulse

potent pivot
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@teal silo @somber plank pins pins pins

potent pivot
teal silo
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yea he said that

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outlaw like outlul

torpid swan
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wait when we say we're hitting 3 mil max cus of supercharge bug, is that in pvp situations or on pvp training dummy?

potent pivot
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nahj tried it for hours earlier and said that was the highest he's seen as well

torpid swan
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yea sad

sonic siren
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From today

orchid plinth
potent pivot
azure rapids
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So it`s advised to avoid the supercharger build ?

potent pivot
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Doesn’t change much

azure rapids
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if it`s bugge

potent pivot
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Use the old deeper strat builds

azure rapids
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yep,feels good not gonna lie 😄

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but Sub also feels like you can kill in a window now

azure rapids
potent pivot
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Not with all of its bugs

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It feels like a wet noodle rn

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Compared to a couple days ago anyway

azure rapids
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must be me who is bad on sub

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but i got some kills in stun window 😛

potent pivot
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Nah

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Even Nahj dropped like 400 rating

azure rapids
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crazy patch 😄

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overall happy we got constant new spec changes and stuff

potent pivot
azure rapids
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the lack of Shadowstep on outlaw has me pressing a empty key :)))

azure rapids
potent pivot
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Yesterday sub was cracked yes

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The bug started today

azure rapids
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mannn

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the ammount of bugs is crazy 😄

potent pivot
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Yep

indigo lava
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Greetings

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Guys do you have an idea for this ?

Shadowmeld macro
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopcasting
/stopattack
/Cast [combat] ! Shadowmeld]; [nostealth] !stealth
/cast !Stealth

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It’s not working for me

potent pivot
hybrid rapids
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Is the supercharge bug with sub not consuming the supercharge or just consuming it but not dealing the extra damage?

hybrid rapids
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I see

potent pivot
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It consumes it but doesn’t do any extra damage

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It’s actually does slightly less damage when I tested it earlier

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I’m positive something more is bugged than just Supercharger

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I don’t think we’re getting the new Symbols damage modifier either

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Sub and outlaw are both bug riddled messes right now

orchid plinth
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Are there any good generic resources for Blitz out there? Like... Strategies that people expect you to kinda know?

hybrid rapids
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Hmm I guess I'll keep trying out stuff

potent pivot
orchid plinth
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Yeah that too, Sub plays kinda weird in comparison to the generic strategies, right?

potent pivot
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Rogue in general is more of a base sitter

orchid plinth
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Guess just know some generic strategies for each map is a good start thoguh, thanks

potent pivot
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You try to inconvenience the other team as much as possible, waste their time

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Or ninja cap bases

rocky pilot
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Hey, stupid question but where to i copy this to ?

potent pivot
# rocky pilot

There’s a place to import builds on your talent window

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At the very bottom left of the window

rocky pilot
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thanks, found it 🙂

azure rapids
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missed Outlaw 😄

lost quest
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Why am I flying in Tanaris with 30 fps? Do you know the case for that fps drop pls?

potent pivot
lost quest
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So thats normal?

potent pivot
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that's how the game almost always is every patch

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sometimes it gets fixed

hidden moth
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On my mage i have mouse over cast on, if i mouse over an enemys nameplate with no target it lets me cast frost bolt. same works for the base game icelance but when i use a ice lance macro it has an issue
#showtooltip ice lance
/cast Ice Lance
/petattack
even if i just use #showtooltip and /cast lance it doesnt want to work. anyone know why this is? ik its the rogue discord

potent pivot
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huh

hidden moth
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but wanted to know if u knew any settings that might fuck with ti

potent pivot
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screenshot

hidden moth
potent pivot
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it isn't showing the tooltip?

hidden moth
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mousing over the enemy dummy wit hthe macro gives me this error. but if i mouse over and use a non macro'd lance it casts it

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the macro is fine its mouse over casting thats being a pain

potent pivot
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probably just because it's a macro

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that doesn't have focus in it

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so it's overriding

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not focus,

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mouse over

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mb

hidden moth
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I dont have a focus though. no target no focus just me mousing over the targets nameplate

potent pivot
hidden moth
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so the macro itself would need :mouse over:

potent pivot
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think so

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[@mouseover] iirc

azure rapids
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Anybody else having an issue,where you login and your interface is messed up ?

solar glacier
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Are we playing without supercharge for the meantime?

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Sub

potent pivot
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suspect there's other bugs with evis not just supercharger

solar glacier
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They implemented that bug Last Night or

potent pivot
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yesterday

solar glacier
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Eviscerates just halved in dmg round About

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Singe yday evening

potent pivot
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bit more than half

potent pivot
solar glacier
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Yeah roundabout feelycraft

potent pivot
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it was sorta early yesterday for me

solar glacier
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Yeah then lets say maybe 16 hrs AFP

potent pivot
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give or take sure

solar glacier
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Ago* fkin iphone

potent pivot
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compared to 5m+ before

solar glacier
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Dummy or Player

potent pivot
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player

solar glacier
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Yup

potent pivot
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dummy shows more damage sometimes

solar glacier
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So 3m or sth on dummy

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Bummer

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Im thinking abt lvling a 2nd rogue for outlaw

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Sucks that they go no mastery literally unplayable until conq cap is lifted

potent pivot
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like it's not terrible

solar glacier
potent pivot
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i mean some r1 outlaws just play mastery

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it's not a huge deal

solar glacier
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I farmed full conq in Open World content and unrated Games before i played my first shuffle xD

potent pivot
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oof

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i usually jump straight into rated with full greens on alts

solar glacier
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And that on Like 8 Chars hahaha

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My pvp goal every ssn is to have every class 1.8 to collect all tmogs and then i just Play my Main to max

azure rapids
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Min Max is not the end of the world that`s for sure :)))

solar glacier
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Currently thats rogue because blitz is easiest to 2.4 and rogue is/was giga op in blitz usually it was hunter or hpal tho

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Now that Solo Shuffle rating seems fixed and subr is a dumpsterfire might have to Go back to Hunt

azure rapids
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i have to set UI preset everytime on every time

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even if i use /reload console ui it messes it up again

potent pivot
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also could be an addon bugging it out

azure rapids
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thanks, il try to check for a default thing

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and update addons again

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Somtimes while playing i just a get a weird stutter a few seconds aswell, not sure if some addons just hog all of the memory

potent pivot
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performance has been weird since patch

azure rapids
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yep 🙂

opal gust
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Mby its for the better ur ui is fuarked

azure rapids
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nah,i like how i set it up

azure rapids
safe pelican
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Good Morning to all my sub rogues that have re-rolled assa ☀️🦦

tranquil jay
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Hello guys

Can someone tell me what happened from yesterday to today, cuz my dmg is is legit 1/10 of what it was yday

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Oh i just saw

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So we drop supercharge until they fix it?

potent pivot
candid tide
potent pivot
tranquil jay
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I mean, they wont care about it anyway until some PVE ppl doesnt report it

potent pivot
#

you can try testing without and without different talents to see if damage modifiers are being applied properly, but it can be a little tedious

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supercharger definitely isn't working for rn

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will likely be announced when it's fixed

candid tide
torpid badger
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hello guys, i have a queck question regarding maccro: do you guys use burst macro like shd+trink or symbol ect.. or just a bind for each ?

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quick*

potent pivot
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it's generally recommended to use separate binds

torpid badger
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thank you !

candid tide
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ur sending him to hell lol

potent pivot
#

nah

solar glacier
#

ah i think discord doesnt want to implement that video, maybe anyone can still check it tho

potent pivot
#

are you in Dorn

solar glacier
#

yes

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but i'm quite sure i also had that in bgs

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this might work

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you can see it on 2nd and 4th aimed press

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  • clicky keyboard so u can hear when i click + see when it goes off
molten hedge
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Hey guys. I’m almost 2.1k in shuffle as assa. I’m wondering why no one seems to play kingsbane. I think I dropped bone spike to pick it up. It doesn’t happen too often but in the past few days I’ve crit a 1.2 and 1.5 mil follow by a 1.3 to 2.8 mil envenom crit. It seems good. Am I missing the forest for the trees. Talk to me

hybrid rapids
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I feel like I get hard fucked in caster cleaves as assa, like at some point I run out of shadowsteps and I just get slowly kited to death, don't even think about trying to split pressure bleeds on both targets it feels hard enough to keep pressure in 1 of said casters, is there a different game plan i should follow when this happens?

potent pivot
#

and do more ST

molten hedge
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I feel best into caster cleaves unless it’s like frost mage/devoker that kite and slow a lot of maybe pick up Fatebound into that for extra steps but I play DS mostly

hybrid rapids
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It was frost mage/bbm

molten hedge
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I’d go BM and get max pressure off pets if they’re on you

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I used to solely pick targets off skillcapped guide but in reality you and a warrior will have much better time going bm than clothie you have no uptime on. Just my opinion

native pecan
#

what stats do I need to take as an assasination rogue in pvp? crit + versatality

molten hedge
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mast>vers>crit>haste I believe

potent pivot
native pecan
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alright, thx!

molten hedge
molten hedge
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Idts. Think I used my catalyst piece for wpvp boots this week too 🤦 so prioritize that next time maybe the helm?

potent pivot
#

what all bloody token gear are you using atm

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gloves/belt/wrist/cloak?

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buy conq gloves and catalyst them

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using catalyst on wpvp gear is a big oof

molten hedge
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Wrist, back, gloves, belt, boots

potent pivot
#

you can just fix it later

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buy conq gloves and catalyst them

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then work on replacing all your wpvp gear

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with crafted

molten hedge
#

I coulda sworn I had the 4 set I honestly dk wtf I did with the 4th pc. Maybe it’s in my bags

languid ravine
#

right? you didnt just put in the wrong item did you :d

molten hedge
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I changed to female Nelf and immediately gained 400 rating. Had nothing to do with MMR buff

lone anvil
#

Has Murlock been glitched this expansion?

Whenever I look up top rDruids on Murlock they only have the 2pc tier bonus when I look up the same druids on armory or another website it shows them in all 4

It's been displaying it wrongly like this for at least a few weeks

potent pivot
safe pelican
#

Brother how do you have 700 games already for this Season? @molten hedge

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I have 62 😭

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Ain’t no way

molten hedge
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I have way more than 700. That’s wins

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Degen

safe pelican
#

I’m only counting your wins king 👑

spring bough
molten hedge
#

I been gaming. Rogue is my class

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Never played more than 400-600 on any class last ssn on any class

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Found rogue a month ago I was scared of the cc but I love it

spring bough
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In DF I think I hit 2k rounds minimum each season on my rogue 😂

safe pelican
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Nahhhh yall are crazy guess i need to play more if im ever gunna break out of 1800 just work man no way i could have 700 + games rn in any universe with my current job but trying to change that here soon

molten hedge
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S4 DF was my first ssn of wow I’ve been learning a lot

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I think it’s bc the Qs have been fast and I just re q. It’s caused me to lose a lot of rating but just try to learn from the losses. It’s tough

safe pelican
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You’re just a degen don’t feed me bullshit

grave basin
#

You can buy the 2h sword and "learn" it for your warbank

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Even on non 2h classes?

opal gust
#

Ye

grave basin
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Since the latest patch letting you learn class locked stuff

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Can you just buy for other classes too on one toon ?

lyric onyx
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Even ones your class can’t use

molten hedge
#

@potent pivot one matchup I rly struggle into as Assa is Warr/ret. I usually go ret, play disarm for Warr, etc. but they usually just farm me and eventually kill me near 2 min mark or less. What can I do? Perhaps I’m not kiting them Los of their healer mb that would help? I usually use my stuns on them to peel a sec

grizzled bane
#

If the objective is the get Vers/Mastery, why would I ever buy conquest gear instead of purchasing forged marks and crafting a piece with ideal stats? It costs the same amount of conquest. What am I missing?

long shore
#

Why is feral maim 20second CD while kidney shot is 30second CD?

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I remembered kidney being 20s in DF.

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This feels so unfair

solar glacier
potent pivot
potent pivot
lyric onyx
chilly blaze
#

Is there a bug where sap just isn't working? I have had multiple games now qhere I go in to sap the first gut and it just dosent go out

solar glacier
#

what's the cost? Is that something with the timewalking thing that's on rn?

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i got like 8k badges or sth lying around on another char

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assa is wild in arena lmao

lyric onyx
solar glacier
digital rock
#

is there a way to stop slice and dice taking me out of fking stealth

orchid plinth
#

There must at least, at all times, be 3 bugs that takes us out of stealth. It's important to the stakeholders (Mages and Paladins).

potent pivot
#

it's adrenaline rush

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stop pressing it in stealth

digital rock
#

why adrenaline rush taking me out of stealth

potent pivot
dapper chasm
#

You stealthing

potent pivot
#

they changed it to do that so now it's bugged and breaking stealth

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just don't press it during stealth for right now

digital rock
#

smh

dapper chasm
#

Do we EVER press SnD now?

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Because that bind lookin good

orchid plinth
#

Can you imagine having an ADRENALINE RUSH AND FLIPPING A COIN while being stealthy? I can't.

digital rock
#

i can

vocal ginkgo
#

Was the supercharger evis bug fixed? @potent pivot

digital rock
#

i want to pop it and pick up the cdr chest

potent pivot
#

remove the keybind

spring bough
#

SND being up automatically and refreshing automatically is the best shit ever

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I do kinda miss the 10 minute SND buffs from shadowlands 😂

potent pivot
#

crack shot bte dispatch also applies it

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feels great

solar glacier
#

the other gear is marks of honor but i'm pretty sure i could always just buy those

molten hedge
#

@potent pivot one matchup I rly struggle into as Assa is Warr/ret. I usually go ret, play disarm for Warr, etc. but they usually just farm me and eventually kill me near 2 min mark or less. What can I do? Perhaps I’m not kiting them Los of their healer mb that would help? I usually use my stuns on them to peel a sec

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Also, I do have the tier set gloves for 4 pc adds. But it’s crit haste. I thought we don’t get haste as assa

potent pivot
#

you repeated the same thing ultraomegalul

molten hedge
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I didn’t see a reply sorry

potent pivot
#

focus the warr more

digital rock
potent pivot
#

brother did you miss all the patch notes or something

digital rock
#

yes

potent pivot
#

SnD is fully passive now

molten hedge
potent pivot
#

read patch notes brother

molten hedge
#

Tru

potent pivot
#

they fall over

digital rock
#

what the heck

molten hedge
#

I hate this pal meta it feels so bad when I have hpal and ret on same team lmaooo

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So you would take crit haste gloves over vers mast for the 4 pc tier set?

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For assa

digital rock
#

oh

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passive cut to the chase

molten hedge
#

Ok Ty bro

potent pivot
molten hedge
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You’re so helpful

potent pivot
#

you never have to press SnD again

potent pivot
digital rock
#

umm

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i believe you i just dont understand... its functional passive or actual passive

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because i have ability still

potent pivot
#

dispatch automatically triggers SnD now brother

dapper chasm
#

So is it ever an idea to have SnD on bars now?

potent pivot
#

no

digital rock
#

does having snd up during gun opener matter then

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like im opening from stealth with the gun over and over

potent pivot
#

crackshot bte also does a dispatch at 30% dmg or w.e

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and that applies SnD as well

digital rock
#

i see

molten hedge
#

Also feint is off GCD if u didn’t hear

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And if u play assa ever you get TWELVE seconds of ind carnage, master assassin (if u play it), and maybe one more thing I’m forgetting. Most importantly you can spend the first 6 secs cheaping and ambushing then aoe garrote its amazing

potent pivot
#

Take em by surprise is also 12sec now

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For outlaw

molten hedge
#

Anyone know of a potion or anything I can buy on AH to speed run dungeons faster

digital rock
#

thanks for info notricks

dapper chasm
#

How in love is everyone with Subterfuge?

molten hedge
#

Speed pot

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Subterfuge is BiS

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For Assa at least

dapper chasm
#

But mah deeper strategem

potent pivot
molten hedge
#

I have a feral I should prob just run it on him lol

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I prefer Assa over feral even tho feral is op rn

potent pivot
solar glacier
#

fkin xD envenom crit

molten hedge
#

Biggest I’ve hit in game is also 2.9. I hit an 8 mil on PvP dummy lols

solar glacier
#

6.3m

molten hedge
#

No way that’s on a player with vers lol

potent pivot
#

I think the only reason to farm mogs on rogue is for artifact stuff

solar glacier
#

trying to see if i time poison stacks to get it bigger

dapper chasm
#

Ok, how in love is everyone with Dark Brew?

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Because a third Symbols looks good too

potent pivot
#

It’s still very good

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But taking 3 symbols isn’t bad

dapper chasm
#

Dropping this for Weaponmaster

potent pivot
#

Only certain artifact achievements are account wide

lone anvil
#

Ahhh I see I thought you meant "no reason to farm mogs FOR rogue"

potent pivot
#

Like Balance of Power and Honor Level

molten hedge
lone anvil
#

I misunderstood

potent pivot
#

Feral is just way better

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For farming old content

molten hedge
#

Ok I’m logging on to it

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I forgot I had the fire kitty

potent pivot
#

Sometimes you can find cheap ones with a nice amount of speed

lone anvil
#

@potent pivot I saw you posted something about elemental changes. Were those hot fixed overnight

potent pivot
#

Get the newest speed enchants if you can afford it

molten hedge
#

I’m just trying to farm the Doomblade set. Been trying for months only got 3-5 pcs on the 3 sets smh

lone anvil
#

Cause ele in my solo shuffle this morning still strong AF

molten hedge
#

Ele nerf?!? Thank god

lone anvil
#

Yeah but still Chad

molten hedge
#

Bro before they could 1 shot healer in opener lol

potent pivot
#

The Ascendance bug was fixed

lone anvil
#

They're still super oppressive

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One just went 5-1 in my morning shuffle

potent pivot
#

The one that made them do infinite Lava Bursts in 1 second

molten hedge
#

Ele being good is good for a caster meta. They keep them tame 🤣

potent pivot
#

I think hunter’s entire class is still fried as fuck

lone anvil
#

Anyone know how many abilities ele keybinds before target macros and shit

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Someone told me it was like 50 idk if they were exaggerating

potent pivot
lone anvil
lone anvil
potent pivot
#

Uhh not sure

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I haven’t played mage in TWW yet

vocal ginkgo
#

When the supercharger evis bug gets fixed, do you think sub will be in a good spot?

I haven’t played at all this week because of a business trip but I remember checking the disc the first days after the patch and sub was pumping hella dmg, even saw a kalvish oneshot clip

But now I’m reading that sub is doomed lol, what do you think? @potent pivot

potent pivot
#

it might end up being bad at the very top end, at like r1 levels of 3v3

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depending on how tuning ends up

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but it will definitely stay good at 1.8 to Glad range

vocal ginkgo
potent pivot
#

nah

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in a vacuum assa is still the worst of the 3 specs

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but i will continue to tell everyone all 3 specs a very good, because they are

vocal ginkgo
#

Yeah it’s my least favorite, I’d rather not play it

potent pivot
#

barring certain FOTM outliers, the game is very balanced

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the only time your spec matters is pushing r1 in 3v3 and sometimes even then it doesn't matter

vocal ginkgo
#

I agree!

plain blade
#

Hey guys. Do you use flagellation on opener?

potent pivot
#

you can start building stacks yeah

#

you will prolly get peeled on your first opener anyway, depending on rating anyway

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the goal is to force as much from their team as possible

plain blade
#

It’s just for max dps on a 5 man rogue gank team

potent pivot
#

oh jesus christ

plain blade
#

Tryna hunt epic bg premade leaders

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And make videos of it

potent pivot
#

just know that sub is very bugged right now

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it's not doing the dmg it was 1-2 days ago

plain blade
#

Is it doing less?

potent pivot
plain blade
vocal ginkgo
potent pivot
plain blade
#

So I can open by shadowstrike>flagellation>rupture>cheap and so on?

potent pivot
#

for now just don't use Supercharger talents

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if you're going to play Sub

potent pivot
plain blade
#

Open with a cheap?

potent pivot
#

or strike->kidney

plain blade
#

okei

potent pivot
#

are you familiar with how flag works

plain blade
#

Ty for being so helpful. I’m new with rogue

potent pivot
#

spending combo points builds stacks and all that

plain blade
#

It stacks mastery when you spend combo?

potent pivot
#

yeah

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build to 30 stacks then send dance/symbols etc

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sometimes you can use dance/symbols/blades with your flag, then send another dance/symbols while you have 30 stacks

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if you're just going all in

vocal ginkgo
#

This was my old opener

potent pivot
#

i wouldn't recommend blowing everything like that in arena

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was just telling him that because he's about to do some off the wall stuff

potent pivot
#

no thief's bargain

digital rock
#

what embellishments would you guys recommend for outlaw bgb

opal gust
potent pivot
#

that comment isn't directed at the screenshot

digital rock
#

so thread is trolling

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unfortunate

potent pivot
#

embellishments are all collectively ass

digital rock
#

seems that way

grave basin
#

@potent pivot is assa safe to queue

potent pivot
sonic siren
#

Yo Guys, i am still at Work. Is the sub damage Bug really fixed?

potent pivot
#

anyone that says that has zero idea what they're talking about

lone anvil
potent pivot
#

i love it how people talk shit and clown on others then vanish when it comes to actual intellectual discussion

#

always a funny time

lime oar
orchid plinth
#

I like memes

ember jackal
# potent pivot a lot less

Why is it doing a lot less? I thought the bug only affected evis. Is it still safe to spend supercharge on coup/rup?

orchid plinth
#

Did they try to hotfix some of the 5 mil crits and this resulted in the current bugs or what's the story?

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For Sub

potent pivot
spring bough
#

outlaw feels stupid strong

#

first game back since patch

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5-1

orchid plinth
#

Or I guess Assa did phat Envenoms too 2ez

spring bough
#

almost up 100 rating to 2048 in solo lol

potent pivot
spring bough
#

trickster superrcharrger with HO is fun asf

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800k BTE in a solo lmaoooo

ember jackal
potent pivot
#

wouldn't even recommend playing it right now at all

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and i literally NEVER say that about any spec ever

ember jackal
#

Unfortunately I have no choice but to since I’m so close to 1950 in shuffle and that’s my goal for the illusion

potent pivot
#

nahj lost like 400 rating yesterday from trying to force bugged Sub to work

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but he was also quite a lot higher than 1.9

ember jackal
#

Yeah I’m no where near his level xD

orchid plinth
ember jackal
#

I still face hunters who don’t trap

potent pivot
#

the bug should be fixed soon

orchid plinth
#

Prayge

potent pivot
#

they know about it

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so all we can do is wait

half kernel
#

Soon soon or soon TM

potent pivot
#

soon soon

orchid plinth
#

Does it work for Envenom?? 2ez

potent pivot
#

yes

orchid plinth
potent pivot
#

it works for everything except the pinned abilities

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evis, dispatch and crackshot bte

orchid plinth
#

The cool abilities feelscryman

lavish idol
#

Hope not stupid question. Only source of tier PVP is to use catalyst?

potent pivot
#

yes

worthy crag
#

just use the anniv exp buff to lvl something else while you wait

potent pivot
#

you get 1 free token at 1.6k rating

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to buy 1 tier piece

lavish idol
#

cool ty, tbh I think I have 3 charges anyway

potent pivot
#

just remember to use conq gear in the catalyst

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and not wpvp gear

ember jackal
#

Do the gems for the lens embellishment matter? Like if I play deathstalker does lingering darkness affect the lens damage if I use the gems that make it shadow dmg?

orchid plinth
#

Lmao I've seen some 636 tier gear on checkpvp OMEGAKEKW

#

They should not allow you to do that

solar glacier
#

that's just converted bloody token gear

potent pivot
#

any gem is fine for it

#

our talents do not affect the damage of Lens afaik

solar glacier
#

not even dark brew with onyx gems?

hasty sinew
#

thats too bad, thats why i went shadow gems

potent pivot
orchid plinth
potent pivot
#

i feel like some people also need a warning when buying weapons

#

the amount of fotm ferals i've heard about buying intellect shit has been fucking hilarious this season

worthy crag
#

it happens more to hybrid 2 hand wielders from my experience

#

ive used strength two handers on my melee hunter before as well

safe pelican
#

Hype to push today so glad they fixed MMR

worthy crag
#

not as sub you wont xD

safe pelican
#

lol def not pushing as sub, assa feels great rn tbh

worthy crag
#

Its kind of a shame because the current shuffle meta is pretty good for sub

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way better than arm/ret 25% representation

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or augs

lone anvil
humble orbit
#

Hey guys! New to learning PVP. In BG's do we use deadly on assasination and wound in arenas?

safe pelican
#

And it pisses me off i just capitalize on games with udk and locks

orchid plinth
humble orbit
lone anvil
orchid plinth
#

Oh no, true commitment to the resto life!

lone anvil
#

My good 2s rating is on my old druid with the green staff 🥲

#

And rDruid has felt even weaker since Tuesday

#

Soooooo

#

Ive been struggling to get back to where I was

lone anvil
# orchid plinth Oh no, true commitment to the resto life!

I love stealth classes, hence why I play rogue and druid. And I think druid is just S tier for shenanigans and fun. Not many other classes I'd consider healing on.

Priest aesthetic and gameplay feel boring and uninspiring. Dragons are ugly. I used to heal on shaman years ago but too many keybinds. Only other class id consider healing on would be pally cause paladin was my first main, but travel form, typhoon, stealth, HoTs, instant cast dragon flying

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Druid is just 1000x more cool and fun

#

I was in an Arathi Basin yesterday and there were like 8 dudes at LM trying to 8v1 me for almost the entire match. I was able to distract most of the enemy team for long enough to cap the rest of the flags. And it took them over 5 minutes to kill me

orchid plinth
#

I don't heal but if I did it would probably priest. But I am tainted from the ROGUE MAGE PRIEST vibe. I love that they can play aggressive and (I don't know if this is true nowadays) lose if they play passive on mana etc etc.

lone anvil
#

Just travel form, LoS, I go OOM alot every now and then I would shadowmeld and drink

#

Fully embarrassed these nerds

orchid plinth
#

I did play resto Druid back in TBC though

#

Was fun when you could be aggressive with restokin

lone anvil
#

I never played then but being able to go moonkin as resto seems kind of lame to me

#

You always had to go deep into balance to get moonkin and to me that kind of made that form special out of all the other ones

#

Fundamentally I don't think I like the idea of a resto going moonkin

#

What's the incentive to play balance if you can be a healer and go moonkin lol

#

Obviously just play resto at that point

orchid plinth
#

It was a hybrid spec for 2s with more damage and mana regen

lone anvil
#

Ahhhh gotcha

#

2s are rough on mana

lone anvil
# orchid plinth Oh no you accidentally had to reroll from like the worst healer to the best mele...

It's crazy how this is everyone's mentality. Like if you play druid you have to play feral cause it's strong

Or if you play healer play pally or disc.

Or the other day I suggested I wanted a race for my mage that was strong but also one that kind of fit the aesthetic and I said I like humans for the look of a mage better than NE.

And people flamed me for not min maxing and I wasnt concerned enough with functionality.

#

It's like a game and people used to play games to have fun lol

#

People used to main classes even when they were off meta and just enjoy their time in the sun when their spec got buffed

#

Now everyone is like min max nerd meta slave sluts lol

#

Kinda makes me want to make all my characters Vulpera out of spite and hit 2k

daring ibex
daring ibex
#

Oh alright thanks

daring ibex
#

Do y'all happen to have a WA for darkest night and flag or it's existing on random wagio ?

orchid plinth
#

I would honestly recommend to learn to create your own - it's so easy

#

Once you can do that you can do whatever you want without relying on others etc. Specially for these extremely simple ones. If you don't want to learn then TellMeWhen is even easier to setup for tracking simple buffs and debuffs.

ember jackal
#

Fucking hell mate, I just got out of a shuffle lobby with two holy pally healers and a frost mage

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Not ONCE did either of them cast blessing freedom

#

I sat there rooted the entire time

lone anvil
#

I just sent a girl a meme, that I thought I had cropped

But nope. I straight up sent her an uncropped meme off of Instagram like a straight up boomer

Am I cooked?

#

puts phone in garbage disposal

digital rock
#

i really do not like grappling hook

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is there any way to make it less

#

like that

halcyon timber
lone anvil
#

RIP

halcyon timber
halcyon timber
digital rock
#

it feels nice to get around the map but

#

i miss shadowstepping blinks and disengages

#

i get rooted so often

halcyon timber
#

We all get rooted down here Georgie - IT the mage

digital rock
lone anvil
#

Hey, this isn't really the right discord to ask this in but I like you guys better than my other discords, and you tend to tolerate my stupidity better than most:

How do I set up self target healing macros

torpid swan
#

is sub evis still bugged?

#

should i not bother logging on?

halcyon timber
#

Could just bind self target hotkey

#

Or do target=self or whatever the heck

torpid swan
#

i think it's @player

halcyon timber
#

Prob right

spring bough
#

Why is outlaw absolutely trucking

#

Smashed that round

languid ravine
#

because you whoosh and pewpew

spring bough
#

Just hit duelist

#

2117 😂

#

Up over 150 rating in like 3 lobbies today it’s wild

safe pelican
#

Think I’m gunna go buy a new Naga mouse today

#

This will be my 2nd one current one has this issue where the buttons work sometimes and sometimes they don’t after periods of no use so i have to like slam my mouse on the desk mid shufffle to hit garrote 😂😂

#

I can’t live like this anymore it’s costing me rounds

safe pelican
dapper chasm
#

Wait, is sub bugged? I was planning to play a bit of arena again today

spring bough
dapper chasm
#

Bah, I only played a bit of arena at launch and had a hankering for it

safe pelican
#

I think it is bugged Trickz has been talking about it

dapper chasm
#

Yeah, but I refuse to believe him

#

I can't remember why now, but my feelings are strong

safe pelican
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lol can always queue up to find out for yourself , just roll Assa think smart not hard sin Surebud