pvp

[jolly sierra]

welcome to the hellfire chat club

[spring bough]

idiot is even a reportable word now

unbelievable stuff lol

[worthy crag]

maybe trickster is the play

[tawdry imp]

brother you got banned for a whole week, what did you actually say

was it the usual unhinged shuffle vitriol

[worthy crag]

Tbf, very rarely will people who got banned accurately share what they actually said

everyone is just programmed to act in self defense

[vague comet]

Well i def wasnt expecting it

[worthy crag]

at least now you know, and it wasnt a permaban

blizz is more open to handing those out compared to the past

[vague comet]

I dont think it matters, i probably wont play anymore

Came back after 5 years of playing other stuff

[worthy crag]

ive gotten a few permabans in league when I was a decade younger but I cant imagine getting permabanned on wow, all the titles and legacy enchants and tmogs gone

[tawdry imp]

fortunately, very easy to not get banned for being a dick

[potent pivot]

It definitely feels better than it did pre patch, but I can’t say it feels better than DS

[gleaming pawn]

getting the most out of trickster will probably take WA

[potent pivot]

If you play vs 2 melee I think it’s kinda insane though

[worthy crag]

It's mostly the fact that so many things remove deathstalker's mark and its harder to reapply it now. Ice block, bop, etc

[gleaming pawn]

like you need to make sure your tasrget is fazed before Coup or you lose a chunk of damage

[worthy crag]

Mostly hpal lobbies I guess

so i either spend a meld/vanish charge to shadowstrike pre-go or

commit a go with a dance without mark rolling

either way feels kinda shitty

[potent pivot]

You can Tech to apply Fazed

Trill played CB last night

Tech was doing numbers

[surreal barn]

I played trickster today

[gleaming pawn]

makes sense, Trickster should be the burstier spec because of the Tech buffs in the tree and Coup

just is not as easy to play as DS

[surreal barn]

Unseen blade is no longer bugged for sub

The stacks reach as high as law now

[worthy crag]

so how does trickster work without CB? Is it just whatever if coup doesnt crit?

[potent pivot]

It’s actually less burst as far as I can tell so far

It seems just as good as DS but the dmg is more spread out

Through your cleave and stuff

[gleaming pawn]

interesting

[potent pivot]

DS darkest night can just do absolute mad numbers

[surreal barn]

Can you lose shadowstep cdr and still be fine is the real thing you should be asking yourself in the lobby

[potent pivot]

Well

You also lose some energy gen

And BnS/long cloak

[safe pelican]

I think they fixed shuffle rating

[worthy crag]

they did but prob not good to q until they fix ele

[potent pivot]

Yes they made a post about it yesterday, check the pins

[gleaming pawn]

yes, that was in the patch/hotfixes yesterday

[safe pelican]

Kopyyyyy

[safe pelican]

ON GOD

Not even worth playing until they fix it tbh

[gleaming pawn]

per Reddit there's some funky ass bugs in SS right now, like fake casting just letting spells go off regardless, and people leaving and everyone getting kicked out with varying CR/MMR changes

[potent pivot]

Yes there’s been a lot of weird shit going on

[gleaming pawn]

probably best to just let things ride until there's more fixes

[potent pivot]

Across the entire game lol

[surreal barn]

My lag makes it unplayable

But I already got rewards so we tankin

I did trickster vs WW arms and though it did feel good I’d have rather been deathstalker

In blitz trickster absolutely mows the groups down

[potent pivot]

They posted an ele shaman nerf

That doesn’t fix the bugs though

[lime oar]

just did a skirm

me and warr

vs a prot pal

dude did 25 mil in like 10-15 sec killed us both

[potent pivot]

Ye prot pally is busted

[jolly sierra]

glad they are isolated to their own category in SS

[celest tusk]

Feral Buffed

[potent pivot]

They just re added old buffs

It should be the same as before the patch

[lime oar]

I hit a 3.3 mil dfa on dummy. Idk how yall got 5mil. I must be doin it wrong 😭

[fading fern]

Super new here, I just got a 4.3 while being undergeared. Its so many modifiers, this game def needs to be simplified. Obvi stuff like shadow blades, symbols, flag... less obvi thistle tea and flag mastery buffs... even less obvi the 4th hit of mark and pairing with death from above only after an eviscerate for Finality buff... dont forget the shadow dance buff... also make sure your sample are done with cheap shotx3 because its hard to kill an unstunned target. When I do anything fantastic witht his build, ill let you know, i hit 4.3 only once so far. A few 3.7+. Using flag early has been the biggest change for me, and remembering to have dance up. Again though, im very new, coming from playing a heal priest.

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think most of the playerbase agrees about the over complication of the game atm

The amount of buffs/debuffs has gotten kinda insane

[worthy crag]

sub right now is like

its ironically the least utility and most bursty class right now

[potent pivot]

I kinda think they need to revert the kidney CD now

I know they won’t

But it’s fucked that feral still has 20s stun

[mystic shoal]

hey guys i was testin trickster out and now I'm 2.4 rating

what is this?

[potent pivot]

[mystic shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[worthy crag]

if shuffle mmr is truly at the level of blitz that might be pretty common soon

[stoic spruce]

A slept on hero tree

[narrow tangle]

new sub with trickster works

[potent pivot]

Ye trickster feels better than it was last patch

Mostly feel like Deathstalker is still the play though tbh

[narrow tangle]

ye

deathstalker is upgrade while trickster offers variety

[worthy crag]

anyone watch streamers and see if they stack shadow blades and flag?

[potent pivot]

They do ye

[worthy crag]

this ability is my bane

[orchid plinth]

People skip Thief's Bargain now because there's no need to Blades if Flag is on CD to my understanding.

[potent pivot]

You don’t take it because they naturally line up without it and it lowers your damage

So there’s really zero reason to take it

[orchid plinth]

Yeah that's what I meant with but with bad words

[potent pivot]

1.2 min Blades could actually be decent if we ever drop Flag

Kinda hard to counter a 1.2min CD if all your trinkets are on CD

[stoic spruce]

Flag should've stayed with outlaw

Ohhhh man

Makes me sad

Wait it gives vers now right?

Mast*

[potent pivot]

Mastery yeah

[stoic spruce]

Hm

[worthy crag]

lmfao I drop a round because my shadowstrike button suddenly stops working and my vanish literally gets offed right away

like not even subterfuge

just litreal cancelaura'ed

holy fuck going up against a fmage sp is just

why do I even play this class

[potent pivot]

shit has been weird

entire game falling apart

[runic trench]

I lost 100 rating

[potent pivot]

sometimes coup stops triggering for an entire match

[runic trench]

Because someone left

[potent pivot]

#fucktrickster

[runic trench]

I logged out I was gonna punch a wall

Why was I punished

[potent pivot]

happens man

it is what it is

[runic trench]

I went 0-3 with him

Then I was about to fight him

And he left

[potent pivot]

very annoying but what can ya do

[runic trench]

Game should give everyone wins for the rest of the match to compensate

So like simulate the matches and make him auto lose

[potent pivot]

people would probably figure out a way to abuse it

[worthy crag]

people complained when a leaver resulted in 0 rating change for everyone

except the leaver ofc who still lost 150 or so

so now whoever was unlucky enough to lose more by the time they quit ends up losing more points

blizz had the right idea at the start, just so many players are mathematically illiterate

and complain to get worse changes

[hidden moth]

when u enter an arena, u start at 0 energy and it builds up. im noticing the auto tea is making me drink my tea cahrges

it doesnt use them but when i enter i have the buff

[potent pivot]

ye it also resets you cooldowns

shouldn't be an issue but that's funny

[hidden moth]

its just loading in, ohhhh tea buff for 6 seconds neat

4 seconds on it 3 charges lol

[worthy crag]

So pull the lever and make the gates open quicker

[potent pivot]

mhm

[topaz bobcat]

@potent pivot did u try was evi stealth nerfed?

[potent pivot]

i don't think it was no

[topaz bobcat]

man I'm not even getting 4 mil

[potent pivot]

nahj said he felt like it was doing less but i've seen otherwise since that

[timid gust]

sup yall, gonna start the blitz grind on my rogue. sub or sin? Above avg at rogue but not god tier by any means

2.2k exp in arenas on both specs if that helps gauge skill lol

[potent pivot]

both of them are quite good

[hexed crow]

Hey guys, im relatively new to rogue and was jsut wondering why we don't want critical strike?

[potent pivot]

crit damage is nerfed in pvp

[hexed crow]

oh I had no clue, ty

[potent pivot]

your crits do 150% damage in pvp instead of 200% like in pve
so only specs that synergize really well with crits take crit

[topaz bobcat]

still better than haste xD

for sub

Flag is just additional mastery, righjt? as in additive

I have 55% mastery, if my flag does 40%, then 95% mastery?

not 40% increase on the 55%, correct?

[potent pivot]

this

[topaz bobcat]

cool thx

maybe dummy has versa btw?

or is it literally 0 armor 0 vers?

[potent pivot]

as far as i know it has armor and no vers

but i'm not sure

[runic trench]

im trying to setup my betterblizzplates

and my debuffs arnt showing on the enemy

despite me putting in the spell id and everything in whtelist

[potent pivot]

did you make sure they aren't on the blacklist?

[runic trench]

yeah

im just gonna uninstall

and reinstall

[potent pivot]

are you sure you added them to the correct whitelist

[runic trench]

yeah

[potent pivot]

on bbplates and not bbframes

[runic trench]

yep

[potent pivot]

if it still doesn't work after reinstalling send some screenshots

of it in the whitelist/what your frames look like etc

[runic trench]

i think its just an addon error, it seems i had another nameplate addon on 'nameplate auras' and they both just turned each other off

[orchid plinth]

Yeah mixing adding that alter the same parts of the UI can be weird.

[tender ember]

any1 noticed assa is back to kingsbane in arena? 😂

[potent pivot]

ye it's in my pinned build as well

the changes make MA good

so it's worth to swap sbs+db to ma+kb

[tender ember]

yea even tho its shit

[indigo hill]

We're there any changes in the Outlaw build?

[tender ember]

but this stuff is nice hidden buff for assa

like u can send big garotes with silence 12 sec straight

[potent pivot]

nothing changed in the spec tree, but in the class tree we can take at least 2 points in supercharger

[tender ember]

this could be swept to envenom dmg

after shiv

with ur build

[potent pivot]

it could but i think both are fine

[tender ember]

not sure tho we use those charged stuff

[potent pivot]

it's been nice so far imo

we might not end up using it but just from my personal experience since trying it i liked it

[tender ember]

gonna test some tday i think with this setup

[potent pivot]

bigger envenoms are a very welcome change for me

[tender ember]

might be interesting this and 4poison build that relied on envenom more as i remember

envenom and st

[orchid plinth]

big number fun

many numbers booo

[potent pivot]

i think the main choice with a dtb build is whether to go Amp or TTK

the changes to TTK are pretty strong in pve i think

[potent pivot]

envenom with Amp does go hard

with the same class tree build from the pin, 2pts in supercharger

was like 1m dps ST as well

[hidden moth]

Why did blizz think pallys needed all these buffs

[potent pivot]

i think they are also bugged atm

[hidden moth]

just free sac, bops everywhere

bubbles everywhere

loh

[potent pivot]

auto sac is ignoring CD or something

[hidden moth]

idek

also searing glare is dumb

hpal giving its dps infinite freedom, loh immune to ms, 30 bops, 7000 sacs, bubble ignoring forberance the whole point of the thing being a pally cant be immune with bop and bubble in such a short time. their insane damage and healing with the easiest damage rotation ever

30 second hoj

[potent pivot]

yeah

pvp feels very strange atm

with how bugged/busted so many things are

[hidden moth]

its nice but not

it just feels very

rock paper scissors atm

[orchid plinth]

Funny how so many things got almost turned upsidedown and then you have things like Warrior patch notes: "target cap on 2 abilities looooool"

"new patch? better nerf fury!"

[hidden moth]

does mark dup kings bane?

[potent pivot]

no that would be absurd

[hidden moth]

i wish

[potent pivot]

but poison applications buff kingsbane

and deathmark doubles your poisons

also bleeds and poisons buff each through Lethal Dose

so more bleeds/poisons also buff kingsbane through that

[stoic lava]

where did step go for outlaw rofl

[potent pivot]

removed

[stoic lava]

WHY

it's not like it was doing well

[indigo hill]

You get 4 hooks in return.

[stoic lava]

Hmmm

[surreal barn]

I think it’s 3

Bugged

[stoic lava]

Can someone link these patch notesI canny find them

[potent pivot]

Sometimes when you use them too fast it bugs

[stoic lava]

I just got 4

[potent pivot]

It’s been inconsistent

[stoic lava]

but it snot steady

[surreal barn]

Yet to see a flag cap video

It’s gotta be up there though

[mystic shoal]

@potent pivot tested for science

shit is not good in pvp or maybe im jsut ass

im also statted for sin and was wearing 2 set hmmm

is OL 4 set nerfed in pvp surely it is

[potent pivot]

It is

But it’s still good

[mystic shoal]

oh does ol use 4 set regularly for pvp this tier?

[potent pivot]

Well I gotta be real your chances of getting fucked just went way up

[potent pivot]

Yeye

[mystic shoal]

meh

0 cr solo i went from 0 cr to 192

surely they dont cook me

[potent pivot]

Oh

Maybe not

[mystic shoal]

dawg i havent touched outlaw since DF

s3

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw tier is just a dps increase

Even in pve it's not strong enough to play around

[lone anvil]

I don't know if rDruid feels weak because everyone else got buffed and damage is just crazy rn. But I can't really keep up with damage like I could even a few days ago. BGs are mostly fine. But shuffle just feels like you have to do everything perfect and even then someone might die if you're CCd for 4 seconds

Maybe Its just about cooking up the right talents/build. But rDruid feels weaker

[potent pivot]

Resto was doing big dam yesterday

[lone anvil]

Maybe just skill issue

[potent pivot]

Probably need certain talents for the big dam

[candid tide]

everything is just too misty right now neeed to learn what all classes new things again

[safe pelican]

Hunter is bae rn got my ass kicked by a BM last night but i think it’s my rogue tendencies, gunna play assa today if I get on glad they fixed shuffle

Damn nvm forgot we cant play till ele fix more touch grass time all good or level my outlaw rogue

Whenever they fix ele @ me somebody if they hotfix before Tuesday 🦦😂

[lone anvil]

Guys is Sub OP enough where I should consider re-rolling my assassination rogue to sub rn

[topaz bobcat]

it's not rerolling is it

esp cuz u can play both with mastery and daggers

sub is way better if u can play well but I personally fail too often with sub, need more xp

and don't get the xp cuz I hate losing

There are so many hunters everywhere I queue

[lone anvil]

This is so real

[orchid plinth]

Rerolling? Just press N and change talents!!

Especially now when we are close to having all gear for both Assa and Sub with the conquest

[lone anvil]

I mean that's still re rolling in a sense

In that I haven't played sub in 12 years so I'd be learning a new playstyle and have to set up all my bars

And potentially change some gear pieces

Im rocking 4 pieces of tier for assassination I think most subs do 2

[orchid plinth]

Yes but you can buy chest and gloves(?) for Bloody Tokens

[lime oar]

Man 4.8 envenom!!? Biggest I got is 2.8, I gotta be fuckin up somewhere

[karmic summit]

i got hit by a 1.7m evis when cheat death is up

pvp is good

[candid tide]

kekw

[hidden moth]

Ive found a master assa bug

if u come out of stealth u have indiscrim carnage etc and master assa for 12 seconds

if u restealth while those 12 seconds are going on buff duration

indiscrim and everything else goes back to as if u were stealthed no timers on the buff etc and when u come back out u have 12 seconds. but for master assa it just leaves u with w/e duration u had leftr

for reference,
First image, stealthed all buffs there
2nd image I leave stealth and the buffs have 9 seconds on master assassin, indiscriminate carnage, and improved garrote 3 seconds on subterfuge.
3rd image, i restealth So that Indiscriminate carnage and improve garrote are active for infinite duration, subterfuge is not active but will active again for 6 seconds when i leave stealth and yet master assassin will only last 6 more seconds

Here u can see that when i stealth leave stealth restealth and leave again before the 12 seconds of master assassin end ( about 13-14 total seconds after leaving stealth the first time bc even when stealthed and MA duration ends i notice it takes a second or two for it to reapply on my buff bar)
This ends up making MA have 7 second duration while carnage and imp gar have 11 left

@potent pivot have u seen this yet?

[solid wharf]

What do y’all look for when fighting an enhance shaman? I was doing 2s last night and just randomly got hit for all my health and now I feel stupid 😅

[hidden moth]

shaman is broken rn

https://youtu.be/iHvHc9tNIHc?si=5STZEioMaC7y0Cbe

[lone anvil]

From the shaman discord

I don't know what the issue with enhancement is though

[safe pelican]

lol “ messed up “

Blizz just giving sham some
Love for the week

[lone anvil]

You think it was intentional lol

I love a good conspiracy as good as the next guy but thinking blizz intentionally released this broken shit is hard for me to buy into lol

[safe pelican]

Bold of you to think that they don’t test these things and aren’t aware of them before release to any degree , but that’s just my opinion about it for a paid game it consistently has meta balance issues and I’m familiar with blizzard / activisions shit from playing Call of duty since i was a fetus they do the same things there with Meta balance this is really
No different tbh

[runic trench]

why is this patch so busted

this is an annaversary patch

are we just getting 20 years worth of bugs

[surreal barn]

Fitting 😂

[azure rapids]

ele was fixed already

as was BM bug

and enh is fine 😄

you can cancel his burst with cc

[lone anvil]

Yeah so they either test things extensively and missed something.

Or they test things extensively and released the wrong version of the PTS to go live.

Or they test things, but are incompetent/ don't have a strong grasp on how their own game runs.

Or they test things extensively and intentionally wanted broken shit in the game just to cause chaos

But they are constantly missing the mark and doing things to indicate they don't have the best grasp on what's needed for class balance so I lean towards perhaps incompetence? But I don't think balancing 14 classes with over 40 specs is an easy task so who knows

[languid ravine]

trust me its either always either stupidity or money I really dont think current blizz gets off on releasing broken shit just to mess with their already frustrated playerbase

and its definitely not money in this case

wait thers no way you do this to grab level up services right? theres no way

[orchid plinth]

Feels like a good old prepatch where a lot of things are broken

[hidden moth]

this was at 7:20 this morning

i dont think this is fixed

[hidden moth]

13 classes

3 cloth 4 leather 3 mail 3 plate

[lone anvil]

I thought there were 10 base game classes and then they added DK, monk, DH, and Dragon

Or were there only 9 base

[hidden moth]

9

[lone anvil]

Ah my mistake

Small nitpick my point is still valid haha

[hidden moth]

priest mage lock, rogue, druid, hunter, warrior, shaman (horde only) paladin (alliance only)

[lone anvil]

Hard to balance that much IMO

[hidden moth]

tbf wouldnt be hard to go. "here is the rotation we want them to do, tweak the numbers so they all do the same dps"

jk jk

[lone anvil]

Hahaha

[hidden moth]

but the 1 shot shit from ele and bms

[lone anvil]

That's a different animal entirely

But there's multiple layers

[hidden moth]

the paladin sac removing poisons is already pissing me off

[lone anvil]

I'm half tempted to check out one of the classics to see if it's any better. But I don't want the grind associated with any of the classics lol

So I'll probably just stay in retail and complain about everything

😂

[wanton breach]

paladin is gonna be quite the counter to assassination

even more than before the patch

[stoic spruce]

And unholy

REEEEEEE

[orchid plinth]

Can't wait for @outer sky shuffling into pala survival dwarf matches

[outer sky]

Removes would be fine. Prevents is a bit much

[outer sky]

I'd have to spec full single target and play to kill somebody in a bomb

[orchid plinth]

Assa haters blizzard 😦

[outer sky]

Honestly it's not that bad though it just cucks our MS. Just be careful not to kingsbane into sac and it's probably fine for us

Although the way I play assa, I'm usually cleaving the entire time

Sac can actually work to your benefit

Because if you have full bleeds on the target and on the paladin

And he sacs

He's now taking 130% of your damage

[orchid plinth]

Blows themself up

[outer sky]

I expect at some point they'll give hpal a 2nd charge of sac like they did with pain sup for disc priests

12s indiscriminate carnage feels absolutely amazing h
Though

[hybrid rapids]

Did they nerf sub already? Instead of any of the really problematic classes?

[candid tide]

no its still on

[halcyon timber]

Meth head roman candle lava burst is intended. No way that changes

[lone anvil]

Can I get some advice from you guys that's not specific to rogue but more general PvP related advice

My friends have been playing mostly healers and melee dps recently so I have been wanting to perhaps learn to play a ranged dps. So we can play more balanced arena comps

I know shadow priest, Ele shaman And MM are flavor of the month and easy answers. And I have mained ele shaman in the past. So I could level up my shaman. Even though I'm expecting nerfs soon

But I'm looking for a ranged dps that isn't too complicated to learn, and not crazy button bloat. It doesn't need to be face roll but something medium difficulty and 20-30 keybinds.

I was thinking maybe frost mage

Anyone have suggestions?

[languid ravine]

yep its frost mage, banger spec

[halcyon timber]

What resonates most with you is what you’re going to do well with in the end.

[worthy crag]

mage has a very high skill cap even if frost has a rep for being braindead rn

[languid ravine]

nah not true I love Outlaw so much but I am wayy better at assa

kekw

[halcyon timber]

“Life finds a way” meme

[languid ravine]

I think mage skill ceiling is high, but not "very high" and frost almost plays like a melee, hold W 70% of the time for W(in)

[lone anvil]

I currently also have a max level affliction lock and a 45 shaman I could level up

With warlock I'm mostly concerned about mobility. Although the damage is nutty. Mage seems tankier and more mobile

[languid ravine]

and it helps that the floor is moderate too

shaman seems really easy too

[halcyon timber]

Soul burn porting gives them good mobility too no?

[lone anvil]

I mained ele all through wotlk. Alot has changed since then but I could probably play it

My buddies play rogue, feral, warrior, So I thought mage would be best fit if it wasn't too complicated to learn or too many binds

[languid ravine]

its not complicated but it does have a lot of binds

[lone anvil]

Yeah I might be able to build up to something like that but I need to start simpler. Even rogue has too many binds for me. I have 30 right now (without having any macros binded) and I only reliably use like 20 of them lol

[languid ravine]

you can always just play warrior and put all your keys on the same action bar

[lone anvil]

Well I want a ranged dps for comps

[languid ravine]

there is one other serious option, maybe try RET

[lone anvil]

I guess dev evoker is the brain dead equivalent

For ranged

[languid ravine]

Ret paladin is ranged 80% of the time kek

[jolly sierra]

one of the only midrange classes

that class was my first elite

[lone anvil]

Ret pally was my first main back in TBC lol

Our healer plays Hpally so idk if I want to do double paladin but that is an option

I was wanting to try and upgrade to a mid difficulty class to challenge myself instead of just playing face roll

[jolly sierra]

is performing extremely well recently, ive played it w low gear in some skirmishes and won the most of them

(leveling gear)

[languid ravine]

Ret is cheating in skirmish when your kill time is 3sec and your bubble is 8sec

[jolly sierra]

ye

basically

[lone anvil]

I haven't seen these giga Chad rets you speak of yet

I've never been 6-0d by a ret in shuffle on my rogue or my healer

I'm sure it happens

But I haven't encountered any rets that have been like OH MY GOD STOP THIS GUY

I was 6-0d by an ele yesterday

[jolly sierra]

u will know when a ret is good if he actually supports your team

doing spellwarden, sac, lay in hands and shit like that

if he keeps everything for himself then is bad

[lone anvil]

A good supportive man who encouraged you to have lady nights with your friends

If a ret says "I like your nails, are they new"

I know he's a keeper

[halcyon timber]

Me smash puny prayer man in long dress !

[jolly sierra]

me ret me smite

[halcyon timber]

Lay on hands ignoring ms/ damp is nuts too

[jolly sierra]

does that bypasses damp too?

OOF

[halcyon timber]

Saw prot hitting for 1.9M hits too

Dunno what / how but yeah

[jolly sierra]

buffs tho

[halcyon timber]

Was some weird consecration thing

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[jolly sierra]

didnt know about that, but rets now consec with blade of justice

[halcyon timber]

Sick af

/s

[gleaming pawn]

New talent that lets LoH ignore healing reduction effects. The support/utility buffs Paladin got this patch are so so good

[jolly sierra]

it the ideal path tho

they needs to lead their mains to be more selfless about their playstyle

(the opposite to how they are such pricks playing rn)

[lone anvil]

I've been trying so hard to not go back to Ret lol

[jolly sierra]

try a little until feral is nerfed

[smoky garnet]

Played two SS rounds at 1900, first games since patch. I had zero energy as sin and was burning through thistle tea charges. Legit had no energy regen and blamed the patch. Won one, lost the other. Suddenly I realized I forgot all my poisons. WA to remind me stopped working lol. I don’t know how I won a match with no poisons as assassin

[languid ravine]

to be fair the auto-tea is bullshit it punishes bad play by wasting your tea when you dont need it

its like Dark Souls where you lose Max HP as a punishment for dying lol

[candid tide]

yeah agree its really something to get used too

i rather want to control my 20% increase in mastery at the right moment

[solar glacier]

Is there a WA now that we use Shadowcraft that can indicate when the next finisher will replenish full CP so we can double finish without thinking about it?

one where i can put in like a "glow action button" on trigger and trigger being "next finisher will replenish full cp"

i got one that shows a number of stored CP but it's kind of unreliable

[candid tide]

ull get used to that i think

but a WA would be nice idd

or u can make a WA for shadow techniques

and count them before bursting, that way ull know u def get ur finishers replenish in burst

[solar glacier]

that's what i got

a ST tracker

that shows like a number from 1- maximum with the currently stored amount

but sometimes the number says "6" and when i'm playing without deeper i'd imagine the next finisher to then replenish

but it doesn't, at least not everytime. Sometimes the counter will just go up to 8 or sth and it will then do it on the next finisher

[candid tide]

yeah but sometimes u saved 6

but u have nothing on the target yet (shadowstrikes, backstabs)

[solar glacier]

but when im playing w/o deeper 6 is max

[candid tide]

so when u strike or backstab all of the stored cp goes into the target instead

[solar glacier]

ah so when im in shadowblades, have 0 cp on target, 6 stored and press shadowstrike

it will waste the 6?

[candid tide]

the stored ones go to ur target

if u press like a backstab or shadowstrike

[solar glacier]

but in shadowblades said shadowstrike would give me 6 even without using any stored ones

so i'd expect the game to not use the stored ones when my builder gives me max cp either way

[candid tide]

yeah thats something im not sure about either

[solar glacier]

i just played around a bit with weakauras to track everything to maximize burst

tracking finality, darkest knight + stacks before it triggers, tea, symbols, dance, blades

and made a macro that uses tea, symbols, evis which i'd press when i want to burst and have finality, dance and darkest night up

and that WA would help me to press another evis right after without thinking abou tit

[candid tide]

that is quite overwhelming to track in arena pressure

but def optimal in damage if u get used to it

[solar glacier]

it's fine i think not too much

https://gyazo.com/09fe7568673f497e86f0b6bd31469bdc

it looks like that, everything in arow (tea next to symbols)

the red "2" next to flag is what i'd like to replace with a glow on evis when the next one will replenish

because that's actually hard to track

[candid tide]

the thing is u want the finality evi to hit on the highest macabre stack

with darkest night

[solar glacier]

yeah i know

[rapid furnace]

What do you consider better in 2s and Blitz ? Sub or Assa ?

[solar glacier]

usually my burst looks sth like -> sap off -> shadowstrike killtarget -> flag -> kidney -> (shadow blades + dance + tea + symbols )-> ss -> rupt -> ss -> evis -> cheap -> st -> ss (or blind if trinket on sapped guy) -> cheap -> evis (macro with tea and symbols)

[sonic siren]

doing up to 4m evis as trickster (sorry its in german)

[rapid furnace]

German

[solar glacier]

if i do that sequence without evis finality at the beginning i got the final evis with all multipliers + darkest + finality

[languid ravine]

anyone having fun in Blitz? feels like a TOTAL coinflip to me, and sometimes it lands on the edge drawing the game lmao

[rapid furnace]

cant decide between assa and Sub <.<

[candid tide]

yeah i guess gotta make sure theres 3 stack of deathstalker on ur target and no finality evi buff on u yet

[spring bough]

So…. Who spent the $90

Bout to drop the bag on this Brutosaur mount

[solar glacier]

there's a brutosaur mount?

[rapid furnace]

i thought you cant get the mount anymore ?

[solar glacier]

oh there's an anniversary mount brutosaur in the shop for 78€ xD

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-brutosaur-mount-on-in-game-shop-offers-auctions-and-mail-348743

Take my money blizz lmao

We got until January 6th to buy it. Save up that Christmas money

[solar glacier]

https://gyazo.com/831ceaa49b2c4092875b929d70612983

[worthy crag]

I generally recommend against caring too much about macabre stacks

[jolly sierra]

90 DOLLARS?

DUDE RLLY

[spring bough]

Insane but that cards getting swiped

[worthy crag]

sometimes its better to evis first global to avoid being disarmed or coiled halfway thru ur burst sequence

[rapid furnace]

yeah im not buying that shit

[worthy crag]

or dfa first global

[jolly sierra]

is even more expensive than TWW itself

[solar glacier]

kaching ez buy

[ashen inlet]

new changes to sub are cringe

[worthy crag]

Thats a diry move by blizz lmao

[jolly sierra]

indeed

disgusting

[worthy crag]

Im p sure they specifically said AH mounts will not be repeated

[spring bough]

They probably made a few hundred thousand off that mount today lmaooooo

[ashen inlet]

are you guys still rupturing in opener

[solar glacier]

almost as hard as the 500$ ahri skin in league lmao

[ashen inlet]

feels like they trolled poisons + bleeds removing sepsis

in sub

[jolly sierra]

u can get garrison with AH, bank and all facilities if u upgrade it

and 100% free of ppl

[worthy crag]

rupturing in opener is generally good

[ashen inlet]

i always do before starting my opener tbh

[spring bough]

Yeah but prestige

[ashen inlet]

but feels like at this point no need

[jolly sierra]

so is just for the flex

[worthy crag]

You just care less about pad pve dot dmf now

dmg*

[candid tide]

rupturing in the opener might get u behind in cd uptime

[ashen inlet]

yea true

[rapid furnace]

flag feels weird to use imo... also i like the Tea changes. just not in PVP

[candid tide]

in that single global u could get chain stunned

and enemy would pop off alr

[ashen inlet]

true all situational

[worthy crag]

openers are mostly for getting preparatory stuff imo

getting dsm up etc

[solar glacier]

yep guys, blizzard is making bank

https://gyazo.com/0b5584c05e9f9bdb2e1568a445b761cd

quarterly numbers saved

[worthy crag]

i wouldnt commit flag and blades on first setup

[lime oar]

$90 and all you get is the mount??? I get it has AH and mail but like wtf. You’d expect it to atleast come with game time

[ashen inlet]

nobody gives a fuk about a mount

srry guys

[jolly sierra]

i do

[ashen inlet]

go buy it who cares

[spring bough]

There’s what one million plus users? If 100k bought that that is $9 mill off one mount

[jolly sierra]

that fkn mount is a cashgrab

[worthy crag]

Yeah in the long run I think most ppl will commit 90 bucks for having omnipresent access to AH

i mean not most but a lot of ppl

[candid tide]

what is 90$.. give me my dopamine

[ashen inlet]

why not

in case u get stopped?

[jolly sierra]

just update the garrison

[worthy crag]

Well one reason is with shadowdust removed you dont get rewarded for mindlessly popping cds on the earliest go possible

another reason being its moderately harder to reach darkest night on first setup

unless the enemy team is kinda afk

[ashen inlet]

i see.

shadowdust? wtf was that

lemme google

[worthy crag]

The vanish cd reduction

talent

[ashen inlet]

YEAH

that's the biggest bullshit they did

[worthy crag]

Eh im 50 50 like kinda glad its gone

[ashen inlet]

fuck that dude it was sweet

[halcyon timber]

Cool w it being gone

[ashen inlet]

u guys are trippin

[halcyon timber]

Prep was never going to stay

[ashen inlet]

this is what im running idk if u guys are bored enough to take a look

[lime oar]

Idk man flag doesn’t feel good

[ashen inlet]

kinda scuffed still figuring it out

[halcyon timber]

Flag can do well but play what you like. Dont do the like mike shit

[ashen inlet]

why would u not wanna be like mike

kekw

[jolly sierra]

why new ppl is always so mean

[halcyon timber]

Just farts in the wind

[solar glacier]

i still dont get how there's been a ss with a 5.5 mil evis when i can barely hit 4 mil with everything lined up. Finality, darkest, all cds, tea, symbols, on use trinket. What could i miss?

[ashen inlet]

joins rogue discord, goes to pvp section
surely people are theorycrafting max dps setup for pvp
omfg $90 mount
play what u like bro! 🙂

how can i not be mean

[jolly sierra]

oh a greentexter, yeah fair enough

gl getting the help u are looking for

gotta go to job

[lone anvil]

Are you new here? The new sub changes are all anyone's been talking about the last week

Scroll up

[languid ravine]

nah, vanish CDR was the ONLY cool thing about Sub, now you are just a dancebot with huge ass wait times in between your cheese strats

[ashen inlet]

cba

did it already

[lone anvil]

Well then don't be mad if others can't be bothered to meet your expectations of them

[worthy crag]

ditch aoe rupture

and lingering darkness

[ashen inlet]

my brother? who is mad? lol wtf

[worthy crag]

I also ditched dark brew and took shadowcraft

[ashen inlet]

i said im mean

[worthy crag]

Shadowdust is cool in concept but it just turned into degen gameplay

where ur just rewarded for pressing every cd asap and get em all back again in the next min

Kinda being idiot proof

[jolly sierra]

you were mad because we were talking about the $90 mount and not paying you attention

: D

[lone anvil]

$90 is crazy for a cosmetic in a game. I won't even pay for boosts when I can get 4 levels from a single dungeon

[ashen inlet]

u guys have a funny definition of mad

[spring bough]

For a skin that’s been in the game for a decade. They literally did nothing new and probably made hundreds of thousands of dollars today 😂

[worthy crag]

I think 90 is a reasonable price for a mount that strong. Im more surprised they pulled it off despite saying they wont be readding AH mount

[topaz bobcat]

that pays for salary of 2 employees

[spring bough]

What else should they add back that they said they’d never add back lol

[worthy crag]

Elite gear and enchants from past seasons xd

jk

[spring bough]

They should add back those MOP sets to the store now fk it lol

[ashen inlet]

u guys realize were playing the same regurgitated garbage in general

for decades

[spring bough]

Yeah I’m still in my vancleef mog. 20 years old skins

[jolly sierra]

gimme back CM xmogs

[lime oar]

Replying cuz I have the same issue. Desperately need someone to drop a quick video on what they’re doing cuz I have to be messing something up

[jolly sierra]

so i can spit flame by the shoulder

[lone anvil]

I got you uploads footage of me going 0-6 in shuffle

[languid ravine]

yes we are aware this is a World of Warcraft discord

[gleaming pawn]

Go check out Nahj or Trill streams on twitch

[ashen inlet]

enjoy then

no complaining plz

im blizzard ambassador

[lone anvil]

All we do here is complain kek

[languid ravine]

complaining is more fun than the actual game

[lone anvil]

AND WHATS THE DEAL WITH MONKS

At first you think you're fighting a ROGUE and then you're like "this rogue isn't dying and why does he have all these weird knock backs and CCs"

And then you realize it wasn't a rogue at all 😭

Fuck monks

[ashen inlet]

yea happens to me all the time man

fighting a monk i think its a rogue

lol!

[topaz bobcat]

they should sell full gear boosts. Start playing max gear in 5 mins

then change FOTM every week

[ashen inlet]

sometimes when i fight priests i think they are warlocks too

[topaz bobcat]

so ppl need to make new hero every week

and pay for the boosted full gear

and then make new allied races with op racials

they just need to hire me

[ashen inlet]

sometimes when i fight warriors i think theyre enh shams too

[jolly sierra]

guys have u seen anniversary xmogs? tbh would get both pally and rog ones

seems like u need 440 aniv coins to get all

[languid ravine]

rog T2 remaster is superbased

its 320 I heard

[jolly sierra]

i liked it even before the fix

[ashen inlet]

any1 gonna go dragon rogue

[jolly sierra]

does that applies to all, even the pets?

i missed both the bear and ony

[languid ravine]

320 for the T2 sets only

[gleaming pawn]

You get breaks after the first and second mog bought, so you’d better hurry up and get farming

[jolly sierra]

i see

[languid ravine]

60 first one, then 40, rest 20 each

[lone anvil]

I already have the old paladin T2 and I like it better than the new one.

As for the anniversay mogs, rogue and monk seem solid. Most are meh

[jolly sierra]

gotcha, but when i have more time

[lone anvil]

I hate the new druid one. 😬

[jolly sierra]

i think will get plenty of time for halloween week

[gleaming pawn]

Most of the coins are weekly quests, and you have until January. So plenty of time

[jolly sierra]

me too, but have u tried the new one with hpal t2 skin?

from artifact?

[lone anvil]

Hmmm. I don't think so, any way you could send SS

[jolly sierra]

nice nice

lets see what happens

[gleaming pawn]

My biggest complaint about the new mogs, every Paladin will be running it so it’s very meh

[lone anvil]

Valid but if you're willing to wait it will be nice in another year or so. It's about the long game

[jolly sierra]

its the price for that

(isnt that what happened w old t2 too?)

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah pretty much

[lone anvil]

I remember rocking the OG paladin T2 with the grand marshall claymore so crisp

[gleaming pawn]

Same with the basic Hallowfall plate set

[lone anvil]

Paladins were dookie but at least they looked good

Handsomest boys on the battlefield

[jolly sierra]

i did with a BE, scarlet tabard + t2 + 1st BWL boss sword

back in mop

[halcyon timber]

Like girls on halloween with harley cosplays

[gleaming pawn]

My Ret is using the dark teal hallowfall set because the actual armor looks so good. But most are running the basic because it’s very Paladin

[halcyon timber]

Paladins are cultists for sure

[lone anvil]

In wrath before they made transmog a thing I kept a full set of 60 gear in my bags to wear when i wasnt doing content LOL

[candid tide]

why is whaazz not playing subterfuge...

[gleaming pawn]

Trill has been experimenting without it too

Double vanish is nice, but less required for Sub now

[candid tide]

so we running out of stealth more often now?

also blades is only 1.2min cd

[gleaming pawn]

Sub is not running bargain right now

So blades should be 90sec and lines up with every Flag

[lone anvil]

This is kinda a weird question but do I want to save my vanishes for later in the match in arenas and shuffle. (I play Assassination)

[gleaming pawn]

Your vanish as Assa is going to be a defensive, or when you need to cleave bleeds everywhere but cannot get away for a restealth

[worthy crag]

yeah without thiefs bargain stealth is more scarce

[jolly sierra]

ye the "RP" purposes

[gleaming pawn]

Also can be used aggressively to get master assassin up for the end of your Kingsbane

[candid tide]

dang but whaazz build does insane dmg tho

mage going from 100 to 0 real fast

[lone anvil]

Did I tell you guys I finally beat a mage yesterday

Best day of my life

I might retire

[languid ravine]

always depends but I think its usually better offensively used

[gleaming pawn]

Speaking of mages, did y’all see they buffed Frost again this morning during their early morning hotfixes

[lime oar]

https://youtu.be/v4Lt-6Z1HhU?si=9HD8xgmZJtuVbvYq

Any sub guru’s wanna fact check and see if this is good to go?

[languid ravine]

looks good but I havent played Sub in a year so and gurus are very low on the list of people you should listen to

[safe pelican]

Valid Xvic is my boi

[topaz bobcat]

no but made a warrior for s2 or s3 if they get good

also made a dragon lock but I think my Orc is way better

[languid ravine]

I think you unironically drop Subterfuge for cold Blood maybe

on that Flag build

maybe not thats a lot of defense

to give up on

[topaz bobcat]

do u still use bleeds as sub?

tried trickster?

[surreal barn]

Yes and yes

[languid ravine]

whats really the difference, seems like Deathstalker is a bit more aligned with Subs gameplan to wombo combo

[surreal barn]

Trickster is good vs melee and hunter

Go DS for caster and hunter

Either way the hunter dies

[rapid flare]

hi, so i gotta go into pvp to do soldier of time (normally i stay as far away from pvp as I can), so I want to use like....training wheels essentially. I'm more concerned with quest objective rather than any sort of actual comp pvp stuff. Would outlaw or assassin be "better"? (i am like a giga pvp noob, so plz go easy on me)

i also only need a "Few" more kills to unlock the 1k pvp kills artifact appearance so i think i'll do that while im doing the 500 honor quest

[wintry dew]

ill be honest

you can legit afk

and complete the quest either way

[rapid flare]

oh henlo my friend 😄

[wintry dew]

Which was what i did

[rapid flare]

ok but i WANT to get....i think i need roughly 250 more pvp kills? so i want to at least TRY to be proactive (and tbh afking would be super boring)

[wintry dew]

(we also won the bg so i insta completed it)

250 kills for what?

[rapid flare]

i also don't do pvp b/c i can get too competitive and it consumes me to be "the best". i don't touch it for my own good

[wintry dew]

SAME

[rapid flare]

one of the legion artifact colors

[wintry dew]

oooooh

[rapid flare]

it's the "get 1000 honorable kills'

i am somewhere around the 750 mark last i checked

figured i might as well crank the rest out now

[wintry dew]

my best take is take the build in the pins for assa

run into a group

[rapid flare]

pins here?

[wintry dew]

AoE and die

in this channel

[rapid flare]

gotcha

ty as always my friend 🙂

[potent pivot]

Yes MA is bugged what’s with the huge explanation

[lone anvil]

I have 2 different resto druids and I can heal for you whenever you want man. One of my druids was about 1600 before the changes on Tuesday. The other druid is fresh and only around 1200.

[potent pivot]

You’re not fucking up, I was using a build for maximum envenom damage

[floral tulip]

sweet im w. it mister

[lone anvil]

I'll message you later 🫡

[spring bough]

Forever a trickster Stan

WTB blizz updates for it

[potent pivot]

Can’t use the server for LFG >_<

[floral tulip]

ok my b im new

[potent pivot]

No worries

[rapid flare]

OK so turns out (somehow?) i already got the 1k pvp kills. NO IDEA HOW. but i went back and stuck my artifacts in the forge and the appearances were unlocked.

[wintry dew]

POG THEN

[rapid flare]

still going to try and do the 500 honor quest every....week? b/c i want to speed run this event (well without getting burnt out) but now i know i at least don't have to tryhard

[solar glacier]

Can u Show the Build with which you were hitting 5.5 mil Evis? Im testing everything and cant get out more than lowish 4 mil area

Even with no subter etc. Full oneshot Shit and dfa i cant get it to 5m

[potent pivot]

That’s the build for it

Tea+FI+Deeper Strat

[solar glacier]

Idk then i have everything

[potent pivot]

You have to line everything up properly

[solar glacier]

Finality darkest tea Symbols dance etc

Everything lined up with Full Flag

4.4m

[potent pivot]

You also have Danse Macabre stacks

[solar glacier]

Yeah its the 4th finisher in dance window having Like 6 spells in there

[potent pivot]

Hmm

[solar glacier]

Cheap shadowstrike rupture secret and evis

[potent pivot]

Weird

[solar glacier]

Not sure the cd stuff counts (tea Symbols)

[potent pivot]

Sounds like you’re ticking all the boxes

[solar glacier]

Full gear and on use

[potent pivot]

What about Symbolic Victory

[solar glacier]

Whats that again? The honor Talent?

Got that too

[potent pivot]

It’s a hero talent

[solar glacier]

Even got a dfa macro to Pop another tea and symbols

[potent pivot]

Choice node with Lingering Darkness

[solar glacier]

So that is also active

Yeah hero Talent Not Honor

[potent pivot]

Hmm I’m not sure

When I get on I’ll check to see if there’s anything else we’re forgetting but that sounds like everything

[solar glacier]

Even made a bunch of WAs to Track all the stuff

https://i.gyazo.com/09fe7568673f497e86f0b6bd31469bdc.png

Above CP (ss is midfight so Not Everything is visible Like tea and danse)

[rapid flare]

hey guys how do i do the thing to get 200 timewarped badged in korrak's revenge?

[gleaming pawn]

Doing the quests daily in Korrak’s Revenge. Like getting 20 armor scraps, burn a tower, capture a graveyard, and capture a mine

They award 10 badges each

[rapid flare]

does it persist through multiple BGs?

[gleaming pawn]

Yes

[rapid flare]

ok cool, where can i find these quests?

i am a 1000% pvp newb i am just trying to get the mount

[gleaming pawn]

From the NPCs in your base

[rapid flare]

like way back here? (on the left)

[gleaming pawn]

Yep

[rapid flare]

gotcha, time to hoof it back

[languid ravine]

dont do korraks revenge I am getting a headache just thinking that someone could be doing korraks revenge at this very moment

[topaz bobcat]

this anniversary event is trash

[rapid flare]

ok and i do these what, once a day? once a week?

[potent pivot]

why

[gleaming pawn]

Once a day

[rapid flare]

gotcha

[sonic siren]

Has blizzard done a fast fix for sub? My Evis hitted harder yesterday with death stalker

[potent pivot]

anything is possible

[gleaming pawn]

Possibly, there was hotfixes this morning but they were not datamine-able so no one knows what all was done

[sonic siren]

Around 2.2m Evis on dummy with full flag stacks and shadowblades

[potent pivot]

i'd try to test on a player

the pvp dummies have been extra jank since the patch

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah I’ve seen weird input lag when attacking dummies since the patch, that doesn’t happen against players. So so much has been borked

[potent pivot]

i was doing less damage to dummies than i was to players when i tested outlaw

[languid ravine]

takes forever, and the quests are most likely impossible or at the very least mind numbing

[potent pivot]

word, idek what it is or what the point in doing it is

just curious

[languid ravine]

me neither because they are impossible and therefore I never found out xd

[gleaming pawn]

The quests are pretty easy, you get credit for being near the flag when someone caps a gy. Probably the same for a tower but I stealth solo capped the tower in mine

[rapid flare]

@gleaming pawn quick question, how exactly do i capture a mine?

[languid ravine]

also you need a CPU from 2028 to handle Alteracvalley it seems

[gleaming pawn]

“Classic” AV but in reality it’s mostly a turtle HK farm. The badges aren’t bad from it though for timewalking

[languid ravine]

and 300GB of ram

[gleaming pawn]

There’s an NPC overseer type deep into the mine on a wooden platform. They are named but it depends on if the mine is neutral or horde owned when you go in. You cannot capture a mine that already belongs to your faction

[rapid flare]

gotcha. im a newb, im not an idiot tho 😛

[gleaming pawn]

Just kill said NPC, they die really fast

[faint forge]

Alot of new changes, im kinda lost. Is 4 piece worth it as sub? Trickster/Deathstalker?

[gleaming pawn]

Some say 4p is good for Sub, like Trill. Others say the mastery from non-set pieces is better

[languid ravine]

what are stats on Set gloves? Set helmets got 1400 haste which is cringe

[gleaming pawn]

Deathstalker is the default option, and feels smooth to play, and has a bit better mobility/defensives. Trickster is close though and could in theory be better depending on your play style

[potent pivot]

most people stay 2p

you lose nothing from staying 2p for now

then swapping to 4p later

if more people decide to run it

[faint forge]

Ait thx for the answer! Probably wise to just hold on to the 2-set and not transmute for now then.

[potent pivot]

the stats are kinda unimportant, either the set does more dmg than the lost mastery or not

the 4p makes you do more dmg AFTER Sec Tech casts

than mastery does

[languid ravine]

I mean thats why the stats matter :d

[potent pivot]

but you lose out on mastery for non Sec Tech

[potent pivot]

they don't really

[rapid flare]

@gleaming pawn ok just so i can stop bugging you, how do I destroy a banner (for towers and bunkers) and how do I assault a graveyard? (think i know how to do graveyard)

[potent pivot]

like now that sub only has big goes every 1.5 minutes

4p looks much more attractive

because you have sec tech for those goes always

[gleaming pawn]

You right click the flag in both cases. If you complete the “capturing” cast then you destroyed the banner or captured the graveyard

[rapid flare]

gotcha

so i have to be the one to complete the cast on the banner?

[gleaming pawn]

I kinda feel like 4p was designed more for Trickster, and will be the move if that’s your hero tree

[faint forge]

@potent pivot @gleaming pawn Would you say that people on Sub are leaning more into Trickster then DS? Cleave is obvious good vs Meleecomps but outside of that is it Trickster better? Probably a hard question to answer at this point but im kinda clueless on Trickster in general.

[gleaming pawn]

I got credit for my GY quest last night by just being near the flag when someone else captured it. I would assume tower banners work the same

[potent pivot]

both of them are good right now. deathstalker has better utility and better ST burst.

[faint forge]

Thx for the answer, makes sense!

[potent pivot]

it's really just about whether you want mastery for your non-sec tech goes

that's all

[gleaming pawn]

That’s fair

[potent pivot]

before, with Dust, you had a lot more Dances, some without Tech

now the only goes that truly matter have Tech every time

[surreal barn]

Tech comes faster with all these extra combo points tho

[gleaming pawn]

Ya

[plain blade]

I’m new to rogue guys. If I wnna gank, when do I use secret tech?

[gleaming pawn]

With Trickster and Coup I think the CDR on Tech is close to every dance. But the enemy would have to not be peeling you so they’d be dead anyway

[sonic siren]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sub-rogue-damage-went-down-2x-after-“fix-of-outlaw”/1992432

[potent pivot]

the "fix of outlaw" could have come with other hot fixes

likely intentional

[rapid flare]

we did it, we won! @little whale

wait wrong seji

[potent pivot]

posting on the forums compaining about not doing 4m evis anymore

[rapid flare]

why are there 2 of you

[gleaming pawn]

Congrats!

[potent pivot]

is kinda dumb

he's asking everyone to clown him

[gleaming pawn]

Extremely dumb

[rapid flare]

how do like

how do i leave....

im just stuck

[gleaming pawn]

4m is in no way healthy, and only fun for the Rogue. It was never going to stick around

[sonic siren]

yes thats true, but seems to confirm my assumption

[gleaming pawn]

Alliance killed Drek’thar? You should have gotten the victory screen with a leave button

[rapid flare]

i closed that b/c i wanted to go turn in my quests....

well it booted me out

[gleaming pawn]

Ah, just click the green eyeball again

Welp, you’ll have to queue again so you can turn in your quests lol

[rapid flare]

i still need to assault a graveyard (no idea how i didn't get that completed) and kill korrak, so i need to reque anyway

[worthy crag]

so burst nerfed?

[potent pivot]

possibly

[worthy crag]

that post sounds like headcanon though

[potent pivot]

it could just be target dummy jank

[worthy crag]

well if it is then no reason to sub

[gleaming pawn]

If they haven’t posted official changes by tomorrow, we won’t know until Tuesday when they do their next official tuning pass

[languid ravine]

on Sub I went to cap a base and got OTKed in one stun by a feral, like dude thats MY JOB

[potent pivot]

i don't see any pvp tuning on any tooltips

that wasn't already there

so unless we were doing extra damage because of a bug that got fixed, idk

[candid tide]

anybody know how to make a dynamic macro for tricks of the trade to always cast on dps in arena?

[potent pivot]

i think you need a certain macro addon

for good results

[candid tide]

ye just got it

lets try reading teh manual in github

[potent pivot]

i was about to say

there's instructions

i think there's an addon that lets you put @healer or @dps in the macro

idk if dynamicMacros is the same one

[candid tide]

lets try digg it all up on google

[potent pivot]

the dynamic macros addon seems to say to use @dynamicMacros

in the github instructions

[candid tide]

yeah im at that part trying to figure out

[lone anvil]

I got off work 4 hours early I'm sitting on my front patio drinking twisted teas and hanging with my cats

Life is complete

[spring bough]

RIP rogue

[devout bear]

Currently running the pinned assa build and having mixed results. Any opinion on below or is my opener full bozo?

Cheap - Garrote - Rupture - Ambush - Ambush/Mutilate - Crimson Tempest - Mutilate (1-2) - Death Mark + Trinket - Shiv - Kingsbane - Envenom - Mutilate - Shiv - Envenom - Deadge

[potent pivot]

You don’t CT on ST usually

Especially so with the pinned build

If you can hit 2 or more targets, use Fan of Knives to build combo points and you can upkeep CT

Try to consume Darkest Night with Supercharged Envenom

[devout bear]

Alright so for full ST kill potential just cut out the CT part and start pump envenoms instead?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Im going to post some more builds in the next few days

[devout bear]

Ye if im not fully brainrotted I consume DN on my firsh Envenom with above rotation

[potent pivot]

I think it’d be your second if you remove CT

[devout bear]

Or atleast one of them xd

Ye

[potent pivot]

So far I’ve kinda aimed to use Supercharged combo points at max combo points always if it won’t waste another Mutilate

[harsh elk]

What changed to where we're taking kingsbane now?

[devout bear]

But both envenoms should be supercharged anyway since x2 shiv charges?

[potent pivot]

MA is now supposed to last 12 seconds

[potent pivot]

1 shiv = 2 supercharger charges

[cursive cosmos]

Damn this thistle tea rework feels so bad

[devout bear]

Check Nahj 🤓

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t feel any different at all

Rotations are too fluid, I don’t see any point in listing different rotations

[cursive cosmos]

Its messing with my head, that's what's going on

[potent pivot]

You have to learn the Spell priority of the spec and the rotation is done

Nahj usually makes some stuff for Sub

[devout bear]

You apply 3x marks that are consumed by finishers, Darkest Night makes your last mark empower the finisher a bit more. Then combo that with supercharged and u get Big number

[safe pelican]

Just logged into assa

so tired of blizz fucking with my keybinds every patch

[devout bear]

Not rly the sub rotation but afaik yes ss applies the marks for sub

And Darkest Night only procs on the last mark

[potent pivot]

4th

You consume 3 Marks with 5+cp finishers

Then use a max cp finisher to consume Darkest Night

[devout bear]

Well seems like Im as confused as u then Astrium

[potent pivot]

Which then resets your Mark stacks

[devout bear]

[potent pivot]

Deathstalkers Mark is a debuff on your enemy

Darkest Night is a buff on yourself

I’d recommend using a Darkest Night WeakAura or TellMeWhen

Shadowstrike also reapplies it

But consuming Darkest Night does as well

No

It reapplies if there are no Marks present

So if you’ve consumed all the Marks

Or if you swap target

[devout bear]

Cheap - Garrote - Ambush - Rupture - Ambush/Mutilate - Envenom - Mutilate (1-2) - Death Mark + Trinket - Shiv - Kingsbane - Envenom - Mutilate - Shiv - Envenom (Is this gonna be the DN one then?)

@potent pivot

Or am I still missing the point, just saw that there is a shiv too much aswell since x2 supercharged per shiv

[languid ravine]

wait I just found this line "healers can queue blitz BG with another healer" like what and why on earth

healers already have triple the power level of a dps and they can team tag too?

[potent pivot]

Idc as long as they are queuing the game

Dead ass

[languid ravine]

its a nice way to disincentivize solo healers from queueing

[potent pivot]

Nah I don’t think so

Queuing with a good dps will always be good too

Especially now that mw shit got nerfed

[languid ravine]

havent tried but I think it must be two healers can someone confirm

[potent pivot]

Huh

You’ve been able to queue with a healer since launch

[languid ravine]

but it would be just as crappy if you can dual queue in a solo mode

[potent pivot]

It’s been that way

The entire time

[gleaming pawn]

@potent pivot I’ve been playing with a slight delay in hitting shiv>kingsbane after DM, so that Kingsbane’s final tick is buffed by the 30% from Lingering Darkness. Can’t decide if Lingering is better for goes or Symbolic Victory is better for an all in go

[languid ravine]

wow its been shit this entire time?

maybe thats why so many people stop blitzing

who knows

[potent pivot]

Nah

People stop because they got the rewards they wanted

And because mistweaver meta was starting to get stale as fuck

[languid ravine]

(mistmeavers who are meta and can queue with their friends against a bunch of solo people)

[potent pivot]

The queue doesn’t matter

[harsh elk]

Idc about duo q's but it really sucked getting twin peaks or WSG and not having a mistweaver when the other team does

[safe pelican]

lmao im so rusty on rogue rn

[languid ravine]

what do you mean the queue doesnt matter are you just contrarian for the sake of it?

[potent pivot]

Nah I just think you’re coping for some reason or another

[languid ravine]

maybe there are healers who dont want to have to make friends with the best players in order to play their best game?

[potent pivot]

Being able to duo queue with a healer is fine

If it keeps healers queuing that’s all that matters

[harsh elk]

He's saying people duo q'ing isnt making people quit as much as class imbalance in BG's is.

[languid ravine]

because if they dont bring their best teammate they are actively nerfing themselves in a competitive mode

do you see now?

[potent pivot]

That only matters at the highest rating

[languid ravine]

no it doesnt

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t make a difference solo queuing casuals

(The vast majority of players)

[harsh elk]

I'm also nerfing myself by not getting carried in 2's and 3's by the best players in the world then? lol

[languid ravine]

no in 2s and 3s both teams queue as their full team you baka

which makes it equal

[potent pivot]

The actual issue is people queue dodging until they have almost entire teams in voice

THAT is a problem

Duo q is fine

[languid ravine]

yea maybe but dont just play it off as if it doesnt exist

[harsh elk]

the fuck is a baka

lol

[languid ravine]

its stupid but in japanese

[potent pivot]

That’s fine but you should Garrote twice

[languid ravine]

but a little silly too

[harsh elk]

oh, bakka, gotcha

[potent pivot]

Also get Deathmark and Kingsbane going before Envenom

[potent pivot]

Well Deathmarks duplicated bleeds and poisons also buff Kingsbane

With the Supercharger build I’m kinda leaning more towards Symbolic Victory

Right now I kinda doubt it

It’s very strong

Yeah it lines up with blades now

[pastel burrow]

Supercharger isn't working with Evis after the hotfix to outlaw

[potent pivot]

You sure it’s Supercharger?

I’ve heard something was fucked but haven’t tested yet

[pastel burrow]

Just looking at the newfound drama in the sub chat

As of like two mins ago

[potent pivot]

Ah okay

[safe pelican]

went 4-2 first game back on assa