pvp

[potent pivot]

symbols->spend 2 charges->symbols->spend 2 charges

[sharp comet]

ohhh fuckkkk

ill watch that vod

[near flower]

whats dfa?

[sharp comet]

for sure

death from above

[lime oar]

Yeah I’m mad confused but I’m also dumb

[near flower]

oh wait we dont run thiefs bargain anymore?

[potent pivot]

You just have to try it

[potent pivot]

Absolutely not

[sharp comet]

nah we have even more need to start running control is king

XD

[potent pivot]

x.x

[near flower]

ahh crap another button to press

[runic trench]

Are you guys liking new sub

[potent pivot]

Yep

Have fun with it while you can

[ocean thunder]

trying to grab the subtlety pinned spec but i can't import on wowhead for some reaosn

[topaz bobcat]

pikaboo just said "sub is sooo bad"

[potent pivot]

Because that’s old

Scroll up a good bit I posted 2 import strings earlier

[warped gate]

A skirmish!

[potent pivot]

Yep it’s terrible

[warped gate]

Mans left soon as the gates opened.

Never had that happen before.

[potent pivot]

What a creep

[ocean thunder]

tbh i see Nahj and he doesn't have huge success on sub. I mean on lower ratings it will rock because you will be one shotting people, but vs high skill I am afraid the loss of mobility will hurt a lot.

I mean it's gonna be even more pronounced now to peel sub rogue blades goes

And you will see flagelation first, then blades, it can't be less visible

[potent pivot]

You have a go every 1.5

[ocean thunder]

yeah you can't stop rogue goes alone, you need peels from the other team mate

Frankly i am more worried about ele and boomking (2 x incarn), maybe i'm wrong, but even mages got mega buffed

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t worry much about balance rn

It’s going to change a lot in the coming weeks

[ocean thunder]

I enjoy your optimism, but looking back on the ret glory days, or dh, or feral etc, htey dont rush balancing OP stuff

[lime oar]

how do yall track flag stacks and whats the max?

[potent pivot]

Depends how op

[potent pivot]

Make or find a wa

30 stacks is max

[worthy crag]

So has anyone gone thru the suffering of trying sub yet

I havent cuz I kinda already know how it will feel

[potent pivot]

lol…

[worthy crag]

Not trying to sound snide but

it is kinda what it is

[potent pivot]

Sub is broken

[worthy crag]

does it pump shit load of dmg?

[potent pivot]

Yep

[worthy crag]

ok that actually doesnt surprise me

Question is, what is the build that they are using

deeper vs tea vs 3rd supercharge

[ocean thunder]

your burst if not peeled looks OP, but you can't connect as easily and you die faster. So more of a glass cannon build?

[potent pivot]

Both have been good for me so far

[worthy crag]

uh

Which both

out of the 3?

[potent pivot]

There’s only 2

[worthy crag]

or I guess, which one are you sacrificing

you gotta give up either tea or 3rd charge or deeper

[potent pivot]

Deeper+Forced or Tea+Supercharge no Force

[worthy crag]

hm

[potent pivot]

Shadow craft is also quite strong

1 point in symbols+shadowcraft

[solar bronze]

Are those builds linked?

I haven’t gotten on my rogue so not sure if the talents reset.

[potent pivot]

I posted them earlier if you scroll up you’ll find em

[solar bronze]

Thanks dad.

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[nova viper]

sup mate

[jolly sierra]

dying inside dude, my body force itself to sleep less than 6 hours

so im fucked, im taking some pill this night

and my lazy ass cat leapt over me

[nova viper]

go to doctor

little man

[jolly sierra]

lets see what happens, sadly i have no time this week

[nova viper]

[jolly sierra]

fkn job REEEEEE at least there are money

[nova viper]

yea money is important

but u need be in good health if u wanna work

[jolly sierra]

yeah money leads to doctor

ofc, sleep health is a priority

[unborn bloom]

do we think sub or sin will be better for the patch?

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t really compare

All 3 specs are good

[unborn bloom]

im still learning rogue in retail, i've been discouraged to try sub, should i go for it?

[viscid prairie]

probably not atm looking pretty bad

[potent pivot]

Sure

[potent pivot]

Where are you getting that idea

[half kernel]

can you turn in weapon token and then sell weapon for conq

[viscid prairie]

pika kalvish

[potent pivot]

I doubt it

[viscid prairie]

saying its shit rn. granted can change but not looking fun

[unborn bloom]

out of these 2 options, whats "better" for beginning on sub?

[waxen meteor]

still haven;t decided which talent to take out for MA hmm

[potent pivot]

I’m going to be completely honest with you here

I would never listen to what pika says

[viscid prairie]

yh a pinch of salt with what he says

[potent pivot]

Doomblade/SBS for kb/ma

[viscid prairie]

he wins its great, loses its shit.

[potent pivot]

Yeah he trolls the chat hard

[viscid prairie]

but from watching kalvish as well, not looking great

[potent pivot]

I generally trust Kalv’s opinions

But Nahj has been saying it feels insane

[viscid prairie]

yh kalvish even talked about that, saying he's nerding out and no way it is

[proud spire]

Nahj > all

[potent pivot]

Yet he’s destroying people

[ocean thunder]

From what I see on streamers there are conditions, plenty of them but if you manage to make it work you can do 4-5mil.
Can I do those things? certainly not 😛
Is mobility and CDs and energy bad? yes
So I trust that skilled people can dominate wiht sub, but on higher level team mates will peel. You will still be killing DH / Assa but not sure about teh weird classes

[jolly sierra]

the one i can fear and trust at same time is trimaz, because ive faced him once and dude was beyond mortals in our lobby

[unborn bloom]

anyone know where can find basic rotations for sub with the new talents?

[potent pivot]

“Sub feels dogshit but I’m not sure if it’s because I’m not used to it or if it’s actually dogshit”

[lone anvil]

Hey nerds, I've been peeking in chat all day but have been busy with work so didn't read everything super closely

Were any of those builds posted earlier for Assassination

[potent pivot]

No

[potent pivot]

Nowhere

You can watch a sub streamer and analyze their globals

[viscid prairie]

I hope that it's because we don't know how to play it properly for sure and not the latter

[ocean thunder]

yeah he did 6-0 however it was like "ok i'm gonna one shot this guy" -> "oh disarmed" , next go "gonna destroy this " -> bop , then next go gonna one shot the rogue "cloak" and so on

[viscid prairie]

then can't catch up

[ocean thunder]

One time not peeled and he did one shot rogue

Look, I have been playing assassin and feeling the lack of mobility. Even with the reduced step cd by 20%, i am afraid sub will be bad because you won't be able to move in some lobbies. I mean up to now people sort of ignored sub, you couldnt easily kill. Rn though it's certainly possible to kill sub rogue

[potent pivot]

Sub still has good tools to live

[ocean thunder]

which ones in comparison to assa?

[potent pivot]

Cloaked in shadows/fade, Duel

You also don’t need vanish for dps at all really

So you can save it solely for defensive use or CC

[proud spire]

Im feeling that lack of mobility

DFA ftw

[ocean thunder]

meanwhile Venruki on elemental is having a .. blast

[surreal barn]

An HPal had 40% left

Swapped my DFA to him

Dead

[potent pivot]

get ready for all the fucking

YT videos and forum posts

[lyric onyx]

What’s going on with BM Hunter loool

Looks bugged af

[vague comet]

sooo how is it going boys

cant log wow at work 😭

[potent pivot]

hahaha

[lime oar]

Yeah idk I haven’t gotten used to it or really understand how flag works yet but it feels really annoying to have to ramp

But again I’ve only played for like 20 minutes since the patch dropped so idk

[mortal saffron]

2.9 sheesh

[potent pivot]

2.9 is legit nothing

[mortal saffron]

fr?

for normal build

[mortal saffron]

how the fuck

[gleaming pawn]

@potent pivot Supercharged feels pretty good

[potent pivot]

yep

[mortal saffron]

Did they remove forbearance?

[gleaming pawn]

no

[mortal saffron]

how did this pally just bubble right after his bop ended

[gleaming pawn]

Paladins have a talent now, that they can Bubble with forberance

[jolly sierra]

can u supercharge KB? wtf

[potent pivot]

no

[mortal saffron]

seems fair

[surreal barn]

I’m dealing 2 mill dps

[mortal saffron]

nerf rogue to ground tho

[surreal barn]

On hunter

[mortal saffron]

buff pally hella

[gleaming pawn]

nah just TTK and envenom pumping

[jolly sierra]

ah got it got it

[gleaming pawn]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZmhxMjZAAAAAAY2MmtZAAAAAAolthBMGzMzysMmZwMzMzgZmZbbbMDD2MbDMglglhJwwyA

[potent pivot]

7m across an entire KB

isn't that insane

[gleaming pawn]

is what I am playing with right now

[jolly sierra]

lets try it tomorrow

[gleaming pawn]

it's a little crazy, except with how laughably easy it is to kill Rets without this change. It is also a capstone in the Class tree so they have to commit a lot to get it

the funnier bit of Paladin fuckery is their spamable repentance

[mortal saffron]

not being able to press that stuff during forbearance is what made them killable

they just kinda aren't now

unless bop/bubble/loh is out they are just useless to target now

[lime oar]

I mean

[gleaming pawn]

Ret is very squishy before this change

[lime oar]

Kinda makes it easier to force them to blow bubble quicker

[gleaming pawn]

yes does it kind of suck for Rogue, but it's just one more defensive to blow through

[mortal saffron]

shoulda kept it that way

[gleaming pawn]

[potent pivot]

BM bugs?

[surreal barn]

New dark ranger

Just pumps

[potent pivot]

i'm seeing BM hunter literally one shot 2 people at once

also we have a bunch of new bugs

apparently BF just falls off randomly

and ADR breaks stealth

[surreal barn]

I did notice quite a few times that DFA just doesn’t hit at all

[potent pivot]

i haven't seen that yet

but there's a lot of jank going on

[jolly sierra]

so, will ret be S tier now?

OOF

[potent pivot]

taking long cloak is still giving Flensing Knives damage

shiv is giving Symbolic Victory to Sub still

[surreal barn]

All I know is I didn’t know what the fuck I was doing in my last shuffle as sub

And was still whipping their ass

I always had damage and I always had an out

[potent pivot]

yeah sub feels good

weird but good

[gleaming pawn]

they still have their other problems, but yeah they are harder to kill now and can zug harder

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-gif-8486419

my ret is at lvl 80

sure lets try

[upbeat fiber]

Ele is looking strong

[potent pivot]

mistweaver, boomie, ele, bm

all broken beyond belief

[viscid prairie]

apparently nerf to BM happening tomorrow. getting an extra 20% damage rn

[potent pivot]

rdru is also doing weird amounts of dmg

[river pollen]

is rotten a good alternative for danse in the pinned spec?

i suck at spamming all the different abilities

[potent pivot]

no

[lone anvil]

Yo is there a 20% xp boost going on for the anniversary event

[potent pivot]

don't know

[potent pivot]

try this:
CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbzMzy0gFegZYMMzYmZmZGzysNjZW2GGMzYALjBAAAgZYG2MLDMgFwywEyswYA
or:
CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMjZAAAAAAY2mZmlpxM4BmhxYmZMzMjZMLzmxMLbDDYMGzsMGAAAAmhZYzsMwAWALDTIzCjB

both take Danse

[lusty epoch]

Hello guys i recently stsrt que some games as outlaw and for some reason beetwen eyes its kinda low dmg ,any idea? Or its no main dmg anymore ,coins its my top dmg all time

[potent pivot]

are you spamming bte during crackshot windows

[candid tide]

Mmr getting fixed hooray

[lusty epoch]

And amvush if combo poitns not reset

[potent pivot]

11.2 Builds

Updated for S3

Assassination:

Fatebound:
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwMjZmxMDAAAAAAY2mxsNDAAAAAAtsMMzMMGzMzyYwMjZGzMzYmx222YGADsAzY0Y2AZbAbD
Deathstalker:
CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYMjZmxMDAAAAAAYWMmtZAAAAAAollZmBzMYmZWGDmZMzMzMzYG222GzwgtZ2GbMmxs0YW2GmsNMsMA

Outlaw:

Fatebound:
CQQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MzMjZMDzYYGGMjZmxMz0yMmlZAAAAAAwyyYmhZmZWglxAAAAwMzAGMbzmZmZ0MzGzGLbTLsYA

Subtlety:

Deathstalker:
CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbjxy0MzgHYGGDmZmZmZmxsNMmZZZMDmZwYmlxAAAAwMMDbmlZMbzwYhhlZ2mWolZBG

[potent pivot]

yeah you should be fine then idk

[worthy crag]

ew

rogues are playing flag now

[lone anvil]

Makes my dick hard

[lusty epoch]

There is any setup for outlaw or just everything on cd?

[potent pivot]

basically just everything on CD yeah

[potent pivot]

no option tbh

[worthy crag]

its probably more value for 1 pointer than deeper daggers

not a fun button though oh well

[lusty epoch]

There is any changes in rotation with this new patch vanish bt reset?

[potent pivot]

you can now bte on CD

before the patch it was incorrect to bte on CD

[lusty epoch]

There ia any burst rotation or just focus 9n sustained?

[potent pivot]

not really no

just spam BtE's during Subterfuge/Crackshot

[waxen moon]

Do we need to give up on sub and go assassin?

[potent pivot]

no?

[worthy crag]

Giving up aoe rupture and first dance to go with master of shadows + imp shadow tech does relieve a lot of the energy pressure from giving up vigor and tea

I have a hunch 10 cp build will end up meta

also comes with an added bonus of padded aoe rupture breaking stealth with deathstalker

[potent pivot]

yeah that's why i took energy talents with the no tea build

[worthy crag]

avoiding aoe rupture doing that*

Yeah two points that I have yet to decide for myself is taking swift death and shadowcraft

vs symbols crit +6% and additional symbols

[lone anvil]

Is it worth it for assassination to go into echoing reprimand now with the changes

[potent pivot]

personally i think so yeah

at least supercharge

[lone anvil]

Where am I taking 4 talents out of

To get down to ER

[potent pivot]

if you check the pinned builds

i took 6% crit on the no tea build iirc

yeah

[potent pivot]

pins

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[potent pivot]

that's the 1 point i'm not sure where i'd like to put

aoe rupture on the tea build

it's basically an energy talent, WM, or aoe rupt

[worthy crag]

I guess for tea build you might as well keep running aoe rupture

Or

[potent pivot]

actually outlaw damage seems like it's bugged

[worthy crag]

Take out swift death and the shroud talent entirely and get enough to path into 6% crit

Im personally attached to swift death but the talent carries much less value than it did

[potent pivot]

i feel like swift is really good

more value than it was before

and we were taking it before

[worthy crag]

you think so? I think the 30 sec symbol is fine now since it lines with kidney

alot of setup is bottlenecked with 30 sec kidney so symbol being 30 sec also isnt much pain

[potent pivot]

it just depends

on whether we slam on CD or wait

[worthy crag]

Although I still like doing a go with 25 sec symbols with vanish cheap stuns

[potent pivot]

you can also double symbols

for 4 charges of supercharge

it's kinda cracked

you can even triple symbols into 6 charges if you take 3 symbols

[worthy crag]

nice

[lusty epoch]

U mean too low or?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[lusty epoch]

I was trying to learn sub but im too stupud xD

[potent pivot]

were you playing with supercharge

[lusty epoch]

https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Burning Legion/Piratjack

This is my talents

[potent pivot]

you're not

idk why you're doing less dam then

not sure if bugs are causing less dam without Supercharge

but taking Supercharge seems bugged for outlaw as far as i can tell

[lusty epoch]

I facwd outlaw on my main lock qt 2.2 and he was struggling to get dmg too hmm

[potent pivot]

yeah

there's definitely some bugs

[velvet lichen]

Grapple hook seems bugged too

[potent pivot]

but outlaw in general isn't about doing big damage

[velvet lichen]

using both charges with fatebound

I'm only able to get off 3 grappling hooks

[lusty epoch]

Im learning outlaw so more about cc?

[potent pivot]

and high uptime

[waxen meteor]

started the week with blitz 0-5 -.-

wtf

just try to cap conquest

[lusty epoch]

But high uptime mean more dmg :d

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm just saying outlaw doesn't do a lot of dmg in general

[sharp comet]

@potent pivot uh, the triple symbols.

if you do it out of combat

it stays...

im at 6 boosted with 3 chargers

[potent pivot]

i've already posted this multiple times

[sharp comet]

ah okay, my bad had no clue

i only just saw 🙂

[potent pivot]

it should clear when you get a q pop

[sharp comet]

huh, and what about before a blitz or arena?

gates opening resets it all?

[potent pivot]

idk but let's not encourage any bug abuse here

[sharp comet]

ah, yeah okay no wukkas

[lusty epoch]

There is somewhere outlaw guide and basics for beginners?:D like any streamer too who playibg outlaw used to be drdagger but now he is not playing much so

[potent pivot]

not really no

i'd just try to watch some rogue streamers

sometimes Trill and Kalvish play outlaw

valthepirate mains outlaw

[lavish gorge]

Is assassin significantly better than outlaw at pvp at the moment? Or are they relatively on par with one another? 🙂

[potent pivot]

it's kinda hard to say atm because the patch just dropped today and theres a decent amount of bugs, but in general i'd say no

all 3 specs are good

[lavish gorge]

Thank you. You always have some good feedback, I appreciate it.

Now to race change to dragy boi.

[potent pivot]

just don't feel like you need to

[lavish gorge]

Nope, just love the aesthetic 🙂

[potent pivot]

if it's personal preference go for it :d

[lavish gorge]

racials are for the weak

(not actually but I just cba to min max like that. 18 year old me would be all over that but 28 year old me cba.)

[stoic spruce]

Based

Nvm

[lavish gorge]

What's really based is to play the game the way you wanna play it

[stoic spruce]

I'm out here hunting night elves

Finishing the job

[lavish gorge]

#sylvanasdidnothingwrong

[stoic spruce]

True and real

[lavish gorge]

I'd burn teldrassil again if I could.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I mean

It would've happened anyway

Because of me

[lofty sand]

Is there an addon or weakaura for the war chests ? Thanks

[potent pivot]

no, they are random

[river pollen]

Ty i’ll try them right now

Ive just been feeling extremely squishy idk if its confirmation bias

Some specs might be overtuned too probably idk

[river pollen]

(Speaking of today post update)

[worthy crag]

Youve always been squishy

the shadowdust quick reset of evasion and cloak just shadowed it until now

[potent pivot]

quite a few classes are busted rn

[river pollen]

True to both

[lavish gorge]

Outlaw is the tankiest of the three specs, and the loss of shadowdust definitely is a chunk of def off.

for sub

20 sec CD reduction was great honestly o.o

back in SL

wasn't it 10 seconds as a talent? Idk I don't play sub

[potent pivot]

dust was a legendary in SL

it was more than 10s pretty sure

more like 30 or something

only had 1 vanish back then

[jolly sierra]

same

[lavish gorge]

makes sense. Rune carver powers becoming talents was pretty cool, alongside covenant abilities. That said, NEW ICON FOR MIND GAMES BABY!!!!1!
And I'm so happy to use BtE on CD.

Is the AR bug even without something targeted? I know they moved the coin flip from finishers to AR on one of the fatebound talents, so I'm wondering if that's the case that's happening here.

Maybe I'm just lucky it's not happening for me....yet.

[potent pivot]

Which bug

[lavish gorge]

AR breaking stealth

[potent pivot]

It happens every time afaik

[lavish gorge]

strange

[potent pivot]

you don't need to pre SnD now anyway

so just don't press before opening

[lavish gorge]

True. Easy fix.

Just a little muscle memory change not too shabby

[potent pivot]

apparently BM has already been hotfixed

[lavish gorge]

Oh thank god no more one shots lol

[potent pivot]

supposedly they have to relog for it to go into effect

so some of them will be one shotting all night

[lime oar]

that was quick lol

[worthy crag]

Hm

I definitely like how this new sub seems to have a higher skill ceiling without shadowdust

[potent pivot]

Yeah

I don’t like flag either

But I think if we get used to this build it’s good

You just have such a big go every 1.5min

[stoic spruce]

Melee cleave with outlaw = 100% adr uptime

Idk what it is but those extra bte casts between subt windows really give that extra push

For cdr

I do know what it is, I'm just saying it's nice.

[hidden moth]

@potent pivot do we hav e a consensus on what assa will run

[potent pivot]

i've got preliminary builds pinned

[hidden moth]

i get droping bone spike for master but why take kings bane?

[potent pivot]

because Doomblade alone is dog

[hidden moth]

valid

also for blitz, i get why momentum would be stronger bc of 25% free crit

but wouldnt follow the blood be more beneficial

[runic trench]

Is the new echoing worth losing alacrity/a free combo point/%finisher damage for?

I’m losing 1 combo point +% damage to gain 2 combo points sometimes

Or am I reading it wrong

[potent pivot]

you gain 2 charges of +2 combo points

every Shiv

[runic trench]

Oh true

[hidden moth]

with master i have about 37% chance to crit. and if fok crits thatsa 15% crit chance increase and crit damage done buff of 32% for a total of 53% crit chance for those 12 seconds master is active.
but i feel 30% damage buff to fok and ct at all times is just better no?

[hidden moth]

do they stack?

[potent pivot]

you use them in charges

so no

[hidden moth]

if i shiv and dont use both charges before the shiv is gonna fall so i shiv a 2nd time

[potent pivot]

yes

[hidden moth]

okay so i cant just shiv shiv and have 4 charges

[potent pivot]

you'd have 4 charges

[hidden moth]

okay

gotcha

[potent pivot]

you can have full combo points charged

but you'd use finishers before that ever happened

[hidden moth]

unless u get cc'd

[jolly sierra]

shiv shiv shiv shiv then?

[runic trench]

That’s some giga burst

[potent pivot]

huh

[runic trench]

Outlaw stacks every combo point, then 6 between the eyes in a row in crackshot

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[hidden moth]

so whats rotation with like kings bane? shiv king bane, envenom spams?

dm before or after kb

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter really

usually i DM first

[jolly sierra]

do u have 4 shivs now?

[potent pivot]

just to get the extra energy rolling

[hidden moth]

2

[potent pivot]

no

[hidden moth]

but shiv empowers 2 finishers

so if u use 2 shiv charges u get 4 finishers that get super charged

[jolly sierra]

that is w ER?

[potent pivot]

Supercharger

[hidden moth]

no

[jolly sierra]

hmmmm

[surreal barn]

Coupe de grace hits for 2.5mill now

If anyone cared lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah trickster might be good enough to say fuck your CC

But we gotta be real it’s because Supercharge+Flag is busted

[hidden moth]

HEYEYY

i can put kings bane on alt f7

[surreal barn]

Didn’t use flag at all @potent pivot

[hidden moth]

bc i can just take snd off the bars

[potent pivot]

Well then . . . You’re weird and bad ok
jk, i am tho

[hidden moth]

Also trick u didnt explain why Moment of despair over follow the blood

[surreal barn]

I think they fixed hidden blade

It’s hitting for twice as much atm

[potent pivot]

I prolly just forgot it on the pinned build man

lol

[hidden moth]

so still follow the blood

[potent pivot]

The rupture one

[hidden moth]

ye

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

cool just wanted to double check

[surreal barn]

Let me duel one of you I need to try this out

lol

[hidden moth]

i can understand moment being good bc 25% increased crit but ye

[surreal barn]

Oh my GOD

trickster is so back lol

[potent pivot]

have you tried flag deathstalker

[surreal barn]

Yeah

It’s all I did today

[potent pivot]

5m eviscerates

[surreal barn]

But it was kinda cheese

[potent pivot]

make me want to tell you trickster still deadge

i like trickster more than i did before

but with flag still

[surreal barn]

You die in the open on trickster without a trinket atm

[potent pivot]

[surreal barn]

I guess you die vs any rogue without a trink

But still

[potent pivot]

indeed

flag deathstalker was globaling

[surreal barn]

Like, why is goremaw hitting for 2.2 mill now

I didn’t read any patch notes on that

[worthy crag]

Is it?

Even then any meta build will revolve around finishers

[surreal barn]

Psh meta

I been sittin at 2.2k mmr as trickster for a bit on one rogue

Meme? Probably

[sharp comet]

trickster seems to have dif playstyle, cant line up as much, i guess youd have to symbols your coup

im usually a trickster lover

find it has more surivability bc feint is broken

[surreal barn]

No gcd on feint was a good change

[sharp comet]

abbbbbbsolutely

[fervent cobalt]

This is so strong

[sharp comet]

how lol

[fervent cobalt]

Prob with perf veins and rotten

[surreal barn]

Like this is a super dirty open

No preparation or perforated veins

All in two cheapshots

[sharp comet]

woah

v nice

time on that opener?

[surreal barn]

6secs?

Remove the rupture it was rolling

[sharp comet]

ya of course

i usually go until rupture drops on the dummy

but never same in the field XD

[surreal barn]

Big deeps

[sharp comet]

2 evicerates and we at 5mil damage just from them

ST did fuck all for me tho

lol

not timing it right

[surreal barn]

Flag is so televised though whenever I press it they do anything and everything to just cc

[sharp comet]

should do flag, rup, evis, evis, SB + SOD + TT then death from above and ST

im always fucking up and doing flag rup ST evis then popping cds to do dfa -_-

16 secs

lol

[ember jackal]

what build are ya'll using for sub atm that's trickster? the ones in pins are DS

[sharp comet]

ask zeiss

[surreal barn]

I just logged so can’t link

[surreal barn]

Build up perforated veins to use on a goremaw with the rotten right after your cold blood sectec

[sharp comet]

ST slammed them with that coup de grace

1 cast 6 hits...

[surreal barn]

Everything else kinda just does auto damage

Yep

[sharp comet]

i waited to pop cds on coup

hard to line flag with trick tho, don't think its compatiable

makes sense to do gore so you can get 3 free evis up to your coup

[surreal barn]

I’ll have to mess with it tomorrow I really only played deathstalker today

[azure rapids]

i thought we get 4 grapples on fatebound

[stoic spruce]

You do

Each charge has the 2nd freebie

[azure rapids]

it did not work,i checked talent off and on again 😛

it only gave me 3 on login,never procced the 4th

well well 😄

let`s see what comes of this and if by some means i can get supercharger 😄

[stoic spruce]

You pressing too fast

[azure rapids]

Hey man, i like to go zig zag

swosh wosh fast 😄

[stoic spruce]

STOP SLAMMING YOUR FUCKIN BUTTOND

RAHHHHH

[stoic spruce]

This reminded me of, to me, the funniest video ever

https://youtu.be/DrGgJf-vGnI

[azure rapids]

:)))

[stoic spruce]

Anyways

Skill issue

L outlaw

💅

Gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[azure rapids]

what`s a skill issue L outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Sir

I'm trying to give you a hard time and you're making this very hard for me

If I worked at the DMV I'd use that line

[azure rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-thats-what-she-said-gif-20446601

[runic trench]

Outlaw fees L after playing sub

What do you mean I can’t cc whenever I want

What do you mean I cant remove 80% of a health bar in 3 seconds

And then roll the bones is like either increases crit chance by 40% or something

Or increases your characters chance to backflip while jumping by 1%

Like bruh where is the balance

[hidden moth]

hmmmm do i try new sub

[runic trench]

Once conquest is uncapped I may try outlaw

Buy some axes

Actual crit outlaw not mastery outlaw

[atomic adder]

Assa feels strong

[ember jackal]

just tried out trickster sub and it feels pretty nice, this was in 5 secs, with rup rolling

oh wait, I didn't even have rup up xD

needless to say the dude died

[torpid swan]

We taking shiv now? Why?

[azure rapids]

I don t know man,Outlaw was decently strong all season, not like Sub or Assa thats for sure, but it chunky and has consistent dmg

could be alot worse 😛

havent really gotten to trying out today yet,but i doubt it s weaker

[potent pivot]

We prolly won’t be. Just testing different shit.

[potent pivot]

Feels kinda weak to me so far ngl

Might just be bugs or something

[stoic spruce]

My Outlaw hater senses are tingling

Oh I see...

Bro doesn't know

[potent pivot]

what

[stoic spruce]

He's BAD

I jk

You can send a few globals in your crackshot windows for cheap shots

Licherally okay

[hidden moth]

assa has always taken shiv or u mean sub? i can see u taking it bc of it being the new er

[potent pivot]

What does it have to do with the new er for sub

[stoic spruce]

The extra talent point needed

[potent pivot]

what

[stoic spruce]

Supercharger is a 2 tier talent

[potent pivot]

What does that have to do with shiv

[stoic spruce]

And then you get the actual ER

That extra talent point doesn't come from thin air

[potent pivot]

Shiv doesn’t compete for a point with those talents

[hidden moth]

does it not still super combo ur points?

or is that only for assa

[stoic spruce]

It's over for you buddy

[potent pivot]

That’s only for assa lol

[hidden moth]

oh

also are we running dfa on assa?

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

I kinda doubt it but there’s nothing stopping you from using it when you don’t need veil/disarm

[fervent cobalt]

I really dislike DFA should I not?

[potent pivot]

You should not

[fervent cobalt]

Its just another Keybind which just fucks me all up

[potent pivot]

Put it where SnD used to be

[fervent cobalt]

I thought about it

[worthy crag]

or where tea used to be

[stoic spruce]

Or where ER used to be

[potent pivot]

I’ve still been using tea mostly so far

[fervent cobalt]

I can't cuz I use

[worthy crag]

Im pretty much committed to 10cp 1 extra sod shadowcraft

after a few hrs

[fervent cobalt]

I like shadow craft

[worthy crag]

just blitz though

[fervent cobalt]

Its so nice

[worthy crag]

esp considering that blitz and bgs in general last longer so after a certain point you only get 5 seconds of mastery everty minute

once 3 charges are all gone

[potent pivot]

Almost feels like there’s no point considering what build is best

Every iteration is stronger than it will be in two weeks i bet

[worthy crag]

they can nerf damage but what feels smoothest to play likely wont change

[fervent cobalt]

Damn you think its gonna ge t nerfed that quick

[potent pivot]

I do yeah

[fervent cobalt]

Damn Im really enjoying it

been super good

[potent pivot]

Tea feels the smoothest

[fervent cobalt]

Which do feels the smoothest?

[potent pivot]

Tea*

[fervent cobalt]

Really

So no deeper?

[potent pivot]

I mean you’re kind afk between your 90 goes anyway but

[hidden moth]

im still using tea on use. mostly to get the mastery during the shiv/kb/darkest night window

[worthy crag]

you can try both, i had no issues playing 10 combo build

[potent pivot]

Not having vigor help you farm dance charges back feels omega ass

[fervent cobalt]

Yea

There was a few times today in 2's and 3's i felt so slow.

Like really nothing I could do

[potent pivot]

I don’t really care about blitz though so I’m speaking mainly from an arena perspective

[fervent cobalt]

And I didnt wanna just press SoD for energy

I THOUGHT shadowcraft and ImP shadow tech would help

[worthy crag]

ppl are just too used to popping blades double dance in opener 🤷‍♂️

[fervent cobalt]

But again not on goes why am I just pressing SoD

But Having tea Auto seems like HELL

SO this?

[worthy crag]

Make a huge red weakaura that tells you not to press backstab when itll make you fall below 30

yeah

thats the tea build

[fervent cobalt]

Ill test tmr

[potent pivot]

This has been the more comfortable thing for me so far

But balance has been all over the place so things are going to change a lot

[fervent cobalt]

I really like 10cp evis butwhatever lol

[potent pivot]

Apparently cold blood is also good

Trill was testing it

[worthy crag]

With DM?

Deathstalker I mean

[potent pivot]

Yeah

He also played CB when he tested trickster i think

Tech was hitting decently hard

[fervent cobalt]

SO CB into evis or ST

[potent pivot]

Tech

You want to Darkest Night your evis

[fervent cobalt]

someone said on Nahj stream they hit 1.7m

each

[worthy crag]

cb tech and darkest night evis I assume

[fervent cobalt]

yea

Not taking tea?

[potent pivot]

Darkest night evis can hit like 5m+

[fervent cobalt]

Yea its wild

[potent pivot]

He was playing no vanish and shit

[worthy crag]

lmao

[fervent cobalt]

damn so no subterfuge?

I dont think I could ever

Give it up

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty sure he still had subt

[fervent cobalt]

ok

[potent pivot]

I’d have to go back and look

You’re going to see everyone playing all kinds of shit over the next few days

[fervent cobalt]

Like subterfuge is just so good imo

[potent pivot]

Like i said it’s so strong it doesn’t matter what you play rn

[fervent cobalt]

Yea feels that way

I killed a couple of locks though Walls today

felt so nice lol

[potent pivot]

1 vanish charge

Over an entire match

Has lost a lot of value

[fervent cobalt]

I could def give up a vanish

I dont even use it as much now

I use elusiv and fient and feel pretty tanky

[stoic spruce]

That's so insane how Subtlety can drop 2nd vanish but is mandatory for Outlaw

[fervent cobalt]

PLus Im a ne so I have meld

[stoic spruce]

What a backwards time to be a rogue

[fervent cobalt]

Shit I feel like double vanish should be SUB only

Since we are so stealth based

Make outlaw less stealth based

Imo

LIKE A PIRATE

[topaz bobcat]

how we feeling about the 3 specs now after trying ?

outlaw = assa > sub ?

[potent pivot]

lol

[fervent cobalt]

ID put sub above the rest but thats just me

[stoic spruce]

All 3 feel good rn

[potent pivot]

I mean

What

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw or you're throwing

Wait no

[fervent cobalt]

lol

[potent pivot]

[topaz bobcat]

Let's talk 1600-2100 range

surely outlaw easiest to play

[fervent cobalt]

Maybe if we went back to combat and had mico stuns

[stoic spruce]

You should go assa :)

[fervent cobalt]

Outlaw would be good

[stoic spruce]

LMAOOOOOO

No

/slap

[fervent cobalt]

Sin is by far the easiest

[hidden moth]

Sin is so fun

[stoic spruce]

Sin also gets you in more groups

[topaz bobcat]

sin means u are kill target

[fervent cobalt]

For what PVE?

[topaz bobcat]

I panic when they hit me

[fervent cobalt]

I have a 2's partner and getting someone chill for 3's is a bitch and a half so i just play with my wife.

So groups arent really a thing for me. SUB IT IS

[stoic spruce]

You go girl!💅

[topaz bobcat]

Ok logging in to try new sub

I swear I'm gonna drop 400 ratings today

[fervent cobalt]

Na

should be ez

[stoic spruce]

Nah

Because I'm not playing tonight

You'd lose 600

[topaz bobcat]

why they not nerf feral tho fr

[fervent cobalt]

FK if I know

Assholes all of em

[stoic spruce]

Because they're not fdk level busted in pve

[fervent cobalt]

Lol

True that

[potent pivot]

At this point feral is the least of the problem

Straight up

[topaz bobcat]

what is

[potent pivot]

?

You mean what is the problem now?

[topaz bobcat]

yes

[potent pivot]

Where would you like me to start

[topaz bobcat]

from the beginning

[potent pivot]

Ele shaman

Hunter

Boomkin

Mistweaver

Rdru

[fervent cobalt]

Bro That hunter Cheese right now

[potent pivot]

Paladin’s entire class

[fervent cobalt]

IS fucking lame AF

EVery single hunter is being a assfucker

[potent pivot]

The amount of things that are now more broken than feral is crazy

[stoic spruce]

Wtf is prot pally rn

Actually insane a tank is that good

[topaz bobcat]

which hunter?

[potent pivot]

All of them

Mostly bm/mm as I haven’t seen any surv yet

[stoic spruce]

If I were to compare my uptime with every spec in the game, MM is the spec i get the least amount of uptime.

[potent pivot]

But surv got buffed with the patch too so it wouldn’t surprised me at all if it’s disgusting

The game is really in such a bad state right now

It’s almost worse the TWW launch for pvp

It might actually BE worse

[runic trench]

tempted to give ret pala a spin

[fervent cobalt]

ALl the bugs killing me

thats the biggest one/

[potent pivot]

Like they FINALLY added some rating inflation, cool that’s great

[sharp comet]

what, explain

[potent pivot]

But I don’t believe for a second that they tested these class changes at all

[topaz bobcat]

ok so this week I play hunter?

get ez rating

[potent pivot]

Go to wowhead and read the blue post

[runic trench]

the casting bug is insane

[potent pivot]

Or check the pins

Forgot I pinned it

[topaz bobcat]

Ele is good lol

played 1 min alreay can tell

[fervent cobalt]

lol

[sharp comet]

ah i only play blitz anyway

[potent pivot]

Now ele plays mastery gear btw

Apparently they weren’t before the patch from what I heard

[fervent cobalt]

Thats what pika said.

[potent pivot]

Yeah

So all of them have to regear now it’s kinda fucked

[stoic spruce]

The price you pay for that kind of power

[topaz bobcat]

Which embellishment?

[potent pivot]

For ele? I haven’t the slightest fuckin clue lol but I assume everyone plays Lens

[fervent cobalt]

EFL

Yea

EFL feels so good.

[topaz bobcat]

did ele have pvp lust before?

cuz now it does

[fervent cobalt]

loooooool

What

TF

I never even tested that shit

AIDS

[potent pivot]

Bug abuse 💀

Be careful using that in rated

[fervent cobalt]

I wont I dont wanna get used to shit like that

Best just to play the right way and get better

[potent pivot]

It’ll get fixed

Exploiting in rated matches is a good way to get your account bopped

[fervent cobalt]

Im cool on that

[ember jackal]

I didn’t even do it on purpose lol, I fat fingered the key and when the match started I was like, oh it’s still there

[fervent cobalt]

Lol

Been there for sure

[potent pivot]

Yeah just don’t want to encourage it in here

Like BM hunters bug abusing all night last night

Wouldn’t be surprised if 10-20 of them got temp bans it was so blatant

[ember jackal]

What was the bug?

I was wondering why there were so many people looking for BM specifically in the LFG tab 😂

[potent pivot]

Abusing “something Pain” or some shit

[fervent cobalt]

This was so annoying

Yea

[potent pivot]

Basically if they could cleave you and another target, you were both insta dead

[fervent cobalt]

256 cast of in in less then like 4 seconds

[potent pivot]

And kill command was doing 35% extra damage it wasn’t supposed to be doing, but that isn’t the players fault

[ember jackal]

Holy, yeah that’s bad

[potent pivot]

I even saw a couple BM/BM/X in 3s

[fervent cobalt]

Bro it was so bad I just logged for awhile

Every match was hunter cheese

in the 1800-1900 range for 2's

Like wtf dude so many hunters and then I look at details it be 200+ cast of the shit

just like fk off right now

[hard compass]

what is our burst even now as sub

I just played my first shuff and it felt bad

3 casts of DFA with 0 damage done in one round

[fervent cobalt]

Flag?

[topaz bobcat]

how do i tip blizz on top of sub

this is amazing

just reroll to form every week and have fun

[hard compass]

yeah flag build

[potent pivot]

Supposedly dfa just doesn’t do damage at all sometimes

I haven’t experienced the bug at all so far

But I’ve had one person tell me they have

[hard compass]

I didnt damage once in 6 rounds

admitedly some of them walled because its so telegraphed

[potent pivot]

Just drop dfa

[hard compass]

but by no means did they wall/bop 12 castrs

[languid ravine]

did they fix grapple and BTE yet?

[potent pivot]

What’s wrong with BtE

[languid ravine]

sometimes incurs CD when cast from stealth and sometimes shows icon not having cooldown even though it does

[potent pivot]

And idk which grapple issue you mean because there’s multiple

Stealth now resets BtE cd

And afaik the bug is fixed

[lavish gorge]

Bug is fix indeed.

4 grapple hook is insane. so utterly fun

-when it works-

[potent pivot]

None of the grapple issues are fixed

There’s like 3 issues with it now

[lavish gorge]

yeah big tru tru

[topaz bobcat]

did blizz fire devs to use AI

is that why nothing works properly

[outer sky]

@potent pivot man I'm kinda feeling like with the change to MA, Lethality+CB with Kingsbane is even more the play. Extra 20% crit dam from lethality synergizes super well with this gassed MA

[potent pivot]

Lethality is bugged I think rn

[outer sky]

in what way?

[potent pivot]

Double dipping something

So it’s better than it should be afaik

[outer sky]

well so for now its def the play

[potent pivot]

I really don’t like CB for sin

[runic trench]

is anyone liking the current meta

i feel like a glass cannon

but no cannon

[potent pivot]

I can try it more I just don’t find it worth when envenom hits way harder than KB’s initial hit

[runic trench]

like it doesnt matter if i can do damage, when everyon e just eats the damage for free with their cds and just turns around and does as much damage as i did

[potent pivot]

Lethality I think is ok currently but Supercharger feels pretty dope

[potent pivot]

No cannon?

I can’t even tell you how many people I’ve killed in 2 globals over the past day

I lost count

You can kill through a lot of different defensive CDs rn

You’re not going to kill people in the opener unless they really fuck up and don’t peel you well

But by your third big go it’s usually a wrap

Only real issue is how many other specs are also broken

[outer sky]

for sin?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[outer sky]

the benefit is that you dont have to build combo points for a kingsbane. It's just an on demand 1.2m damage

[potent pivot]

I guess so but big envenoms are doing over double that

I really don’t know which is outright better rn though

I haven’t played as much sin as sub yet

I only really tested the build I sent you so far but it felt good

[fervent cobalt]

My highest so far

I cant fit in rupture bro I dont know when

Like pre Go he should already have it up

[potent pivot]

Well the only reason you’d rupture in an opener is to line up finality and darkest night

[fervent cobalt]

freaking hard

[potent pivot]

If you can’t figure out the global sequence for it in the middle of the opener just don’t worry about it lol

[fervent cobalt]

thats in a full stun lock btw

[outer sky]

this is on a player in an arena?

[fervent cobalt]

No this on pvp dummy

[outer sky]

oh ok

[potent pivot]

I’ve seen 5.6m

On a player

[fervent cobalt]

INsane

Like how

[potent pivot]

The kitchen sink technique

[azure rapids]

@ocean cobalt what exactly feels weaker for Outlaw to you?

besides the bugs

[potent pivot]

You pinged the wrong person

[azure rapids]

not many Outlaws to be honest out there :)))

[potent pivot]

It just feels weak dmg wise, as if it didn’t just get buffed at all

[potent pivot]

No I mean you pinged the wrong discord user

[fervent cobalt]

lol

[potent pivot]

You didn’t ping me

[stoic spruce]

I'm not playing rn

I make one feel like a million

[azure rapids]

lol

[stoic spruce]

Because all my globals are CCs or you're on my team and I'm dying a lot.

[azure rapids]

i am expecting the changes to be good ,if grapple works fine

[stoic spruce]

Expect something else

[azure rapids]

was really hard getting Outlaw to 2k in blitz

but that`s mostly comp and team issues

[stoic spruce]

What is this question

[azure rapids]

so overall even if it`s alot weaker than assa ,no idee what sub is doing now

i was curious why does it feel weaker today

as there are no dmg nerf

and the cut to the chase is a good change as is the BTE cd with stealth

many times i pressed it outside of subterfuge window,i`m not the only one! 😄

[potent pivot]

Well for one there’s bugs

[azure rapids]

the bugs ,yes 😄

[potent pivot]

And two outlaw got buffed from the patch but it doesn’t feel any stronger

[azure rapids]

well,i asked because i miss stuff,was thinking somebody had some insight i overlooked

if it`s not worse

it`s good 😛

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s still ok

[azure rapids]

might feel the lack of shadowstep

[potent pivot]

You don’t really play outlaw for damage either way

[stoic spruce]

Yknow

[azure rapids]

exactly :))

we bring other things to the table

[stoic spruce]

I don't feel the lack of SSTEP

[azure rapids]

curious if that supercharger talent could work on Outlaw

not sure what to lose for it

[stoic spruce]

I'm sure someone will cook something soon

[potent pivot]

There’s a build in the pins

[stoic spruce]

That was fast

[azure rapids]

maybe lose the extra 10% from speed on cripling and the speed in shadowdance

[potent pivot]

It feels kinda underwhelming on outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Whopping 27 seconds

[azure rapids]

or vanish

[potent pivot]

But it gives a little more CDR

[stoic spruce]

Absolutely not

[azure rapids]

lemme check build in pins 😛 se what was sacrificed 😄

[potent pivot]

Those talents don’t compete with supercharger

[azure rapids]

was thinking with deeper strategem bigger combo nr more dmg on it

but it seems the build drops all of that

[potent pivot]

Yeh like i said it feels kinda underwhelming

Just wanted to get some preliminary builds up

Things are going to change over the next couple weeks like always

[azure rapids]

yep,thanks for the time tricks

[stoic spruce]

Should be noted supercharger isn't working properly

[ocean silo]

hi quick question, can i macro badge with dance or should i keybind it

[grave basin]

Never macro those together

You might do bait openers and not have it up for your real go

[lusty epoch]

U cant use cds in stealht now as outlaw

[lofty wolf]

yo any1 got a assa rogue build?

for blitz pref

new rogue player here :3

xo

[grave basin]

Blitz build is same as shuffle build id presume

[ocean silo]

thanks!

[azure rapids]

This entire expansion,rogue stuff is not working properly :))

[grave basin]

And before you think of macroing it to blades, I wouldn't do that either

Since badge trinket breaks stealth

[grave basin]

A lot of shit is broken across the board atm

[hard compass]

wpvp as dracthyr is +1

no more pesky druids jumping off ledges to escape

[ocean silo]

didn't know it breaks stealth, thanks. any recommendation for keybinds of shadow dance, blades, sod, badge ? I can't seem to find binds that I can press all of them fast at the same time

[azure rapids]

i think that`s the price we pay for having alot of content and constant changes 😄

[grave basin]

No that's the price of laying off your QA team

[potent pivot]

?

[grave basin]

Legion had the same cadence of content and wasn't even close to this buggy

[languid ravine]

just have goblin gliders bruh

or meteor potion whatsitcalled

[stoic spruce]

I blame demon hunters

[grave basin]

Druids don't have to jump off ledges though

Can just meld flight form

[potent pivot]

You mean what I was telling you about a while ago @stoic spruce ? I think that may have just been the pvp dummy

[stoic spruce]

They talked about it earlier

In depth

[potent pivot]

I need to check more matches tmrw

[stoic spruce]

Idrc tho. Playing Bo6 until fixed.

[languid ravine]

no its not the price we pay for content and constant changes is 50 euros + 13 euros per month

[grave basin]

I'm too pussy to queue

[languid ravine]

+wow token if you have a life and want to raid

[grave basin]

Waiting for bug fixes

[lusty epoch]

Bte hitting fof 200k crit xD

Whats goijg on why between eyes hitting for 200k crit xD

[outer sky]

damn I really fucked up this hunter's pet

[hard compass]

any idea what breakpoint is for mast in pvp?

[outer sky]

what spec?

[topaz bobcat]

can't decide if Tauren rogue is sexier or dracthyr

[potent pivot]

There are no breakpoints

[potent pivot]

Probably bugs

[topaz bobcat]

which evoker classes are good actually

war, what else? lock maybe?

[hard compass]

great, so im 82% mast as sub and I just keep stacking it

[topaz bobcat]

I thought there were diminishing returns

like after 10000, instea of every 1000 giving 20%, it gives 10%

[outer sky]

the only good evoker class is evoker

[topaz bobcat]

dracthyr i meant ofc haha

[grave basin]

Dracthyr race is a meme

[indigo viper]

Hmm i think Orc is still better then Dracthyr in Horde

[potent pivot]

There are DRs but they’re not very impactful at all