pvp

[hidden moth]

meh, the harm part of the macro is useful but modifiers are kinda meh. would rather just have a seperate bind for it or just use arena 123 binds

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URrWURspNQM cant say whaazz is a genious but the man is completely insane

even ven is buffled from the calls

[hidden moth]

no just had a mw disc vs 2 mw at 1900 mmr on my mage

had a cooked feral "im st on the efc" bro didnt even do 50 mil damage that match. if they 3 cap and all u hit is efc u gonna do 60mil min esp when its 2 mw doing such acts that i cant describe bc of tos through mid

then goes in chat "oh u guys didnt hit him and let him walk through mid" as if him poping 2-3 seconds of raid wide spellbop and chi torpedo 4x back to back is letting him walk through mid. no class can keep up with mw mobility even dh gets outclassed unless they have meta and even then give the monk 2 seconds and he can use 4 torpedos again

[hidden dome]

Then maybe I really am just the most unlucky wow player

Oh and yeah, remove all rewards earned by ferals this season

[hidden moth]

meh

i dont think thats necassery bc rets are the new ferals on tuesday

just tired of people who think they are good talking like they know the game but their mains are hard stuck where my alts cr is

elemental excavation and along for the ride world quests are up btw

[hidden dome]

I just spoke to another mistweaver, he told me he gets WSG and Twin Peaks all the time

Guess I really am just that unlucky

I hate this game

Casual 1 in 333, quickly heading towards 1 in 400 unlucky

[shadow epoch]

Returning player, is outlaw prioritising Mastery > Crit > Haste? Or is it still full crit?

[hidden moth]

so tired of seeing disc priests on my teram

useless healers

[runic trench]

so tired of paladins

bubble is so annoying

bubble, iceblock, turtle

all fun ruiners

[hidden moth]

turtle?

turtle is easy af to get around just play assa

hunters get full dots and then turtle like it does something

[runic trench]

i dont have the haste to swap spec when i see turtle used

[hidden moth]

then i just watch them bleed out unable to hit me

[runic trench]

cast time too long

[hidden moth]

then play the right spec

<wink>

[runic trench]

yuck

[hidden moth]

or get a re when he is turtled

[runic trench]

noone that plays sin makes it seem enjoyable

all i hear is complaints

[hidden moth]

just disc priests legit are so useless. dks kidnap them they cant keep up with a team fight bc they cant move at all lol

[hidden moth]

its fun. my only complaint is wanting more defensives/ mobility

[runic trench]

i was tempted to go healer

because much faster solo shuffle games

and i would get to play more

[hidden moth]

make evasion a 1 min cd and if i stealth or vanish make it so i cant be pulled for 1-2 seconds after getting the re

[hidden moth]

faster ques just for u to go 3-3 bc that 1 dps in the lobby cant grasp how to stay in los of his healer and to press defensives

[hidden dome]

God I honestly wish a flesh eating disease upon every single feral meta kid

that eats their hands and renders them permanently unable to play this game

I fucking hate them so fucking much

[hidden moth]

i liked it better before lock and dk was nerfed

[hidden dome]

I hate queuing 2-3 of them every fucking game

[lone anvil]

Hey guys. When I'm playing rogue in arena, whether it's 2's, 3s or shuffle. My goal is usually to focus the squishiest or most deadly ranged dps on the enemy team. To keep them from free casting and getting free damage

So usually I'm tsrgetting an MM hunter, affliction warlock, or frost mage.

Are there times when you guys focus the healer as a kill target? Generally I haven't employed that strategy unless I see the healer low on health at high dampening I might jump on a healer and try and make a play.

When are the times you guys set a healer as a kill target as the match is beginning?

[hidden moth]

if its a bad healer. u can run down hpally same wit hpres if its a bad pres

https://youtu.be/A2TS7FJGErU?si=N0S6opg7RldtKcI0

[lone anvil]

I've watched that whole video actually hahaha

[lone anvil]

But I'm more asking this channel specifically because he didn't make that video just for rogues

And this is a rogue discord

And I was watching some high level rogue content and the dude was saying a rogues job is to take out healers

[hidden moth]

what his vid is about is all classes though so those are almost always kill target bc u have to think of ur partner

it mostly comes down to is it 2 caster 2 melee or 1caster 1 melee

[lone anvil]

Yeah I've been the entire video

[hidden moth]

if its 1 caster 1 melee always caster bc u hitting them slows their damage. if its 2 caster its basically whichever is in range at the time

[lone anvil]

Yes you don't have to explain

Closest mage

Splits healer

[hidden moth]

im legit telling u for rogue those are ur kill targets on that list

in order

[lone anvil]

Okay I was just making sure it was accurate for our class

Cause I use that system in arenas

[hidden moth]

well, using ur free thinking brain is there any changes u woulkd do to the list?

[lone anvil]

But I play with a feral who has been 3300 before and sometimes she calls out different targets

[lone anvil]

Idk probably

Knowing what I know about rDruids running low vers. I think r druids are probably a squishy kill target

[hidden moth]

they can be squishy but its hard to get them off guard. most of the time u wont kill in a go if they have full hots

[lone anvil]

But in 3s they can only keep life bloom stacks on 2 people. So if you swap to a druid they probably won't be fully HoTd

It takes time to build up the 3 stacks

[hidden moth]

we are looking at the main target u will be training all game

if a rdruid sees u chasing them all game lifebloom will be on themselves.

[lone anvil]

Well druid usually starts out stealth. So in that scenario, as a rogue id soft open on a dps without blowing cooldowns, cause I have to rupture and garrote the entire team anyways

But druid would still be my kill target id just wait until they come out of stealth and swap to them

[hidden moth]

find him

why do u have to open before rdruid is found?

if its rogue feral x class, find the rdruid

[lone anvil]

I play orc. I don't have crazy stealth detect

[hidden moth]

i play nelf i dont eitehr

[lone anvil]

Is it humans that pull any class out of stealth

[hidden moth]

u can tell the rdruid will be near ur healer so when combat starts they can stun cyclone ur heals

no

no race has bonus stealth detect

[lone anvil]

How come when I'm on my rogue I'll get pulled out of stealth when I'm 50 ft away from any targets

[pastel burrow]

Just rogue things

[hidden moth]

bugs

[lone anvil]

I thought humans had perception

[pastel burrow]

Not for a long time

[lone anvil]

Interesting.

[hidden moth]

perception was removed in wotlk

from on use 50 detrect to passive 10

[lone anvil]

Anyways

You think it's more important to spend my time pulling out another player from stealth?

Usually I just open on who's visible. Sap one, cheap + kidney the other

You clearly have a better rating than me so I'm not one to argue

[hidden moth]

its situational

if they are playing on a pillar waiting for u etc. and not pressing ur heals who isnt stealth. or they are trying to wait out eye

look for their heals. bc if u can stop the stun cyclone bc their healer is full sap. and now in a cc chain of his own

[lone anvil]

@hidden moth thanks for linking that video btw. I genuinely think that is very helpful material and some of the better content I've been since returning. I just knew he was trying to cover a broad topic so I was looking for nuance.

[hidden moth]

skill caped had one in df. decent knowledge of what they have

but also keep in mind while these are the best "targets" that usually just means the one u want to focus on killing but u should almost always swap on defensives

if their lock walls and their spriest is just sitting there in ur burst opener. slam the priest who doesnt have a cd to force him or their healer to use one or blow loads of mana

[lunar granite]

Hotmogu gates open, nobody picks orbs, i ask why.

"only tanks pick orbs"

this is rated solo blitz

[lone anvil]

Yeah I also take health bars into account if I'm fighting Affliction warlock ret paladin and the paladin has 5mil health and the warlock is over 8mil. I know that pally is under geared

But when people are equally geared I do try and follow his kill priorities

[hidden moth]

https://youtu.be/H7Cn4j23bQI?si=RCPYbEKsPo-OUfs3

[candid tide]

the orb map too much mid zerg often

[hidden moth]

i had 500+ points on my dh one game

[hidden moth]

6:30+ is useful for ya @lone anvil shows u cross goes etc. sure its mage pov but it shows rogue stuff here

[lone anvil]

Hell yeah, thanks man

[hidden dome]

seems about right

hahaa

[hidden moth]

who was the 2927 cr

[hidden dome]

Jimpa

Ravencrest

[hidden moth]

dude has to be on a loss streak

did u win?

[hidden dome]

No we got 100% crushed

obviously

I hate this rating system so hard

God I hate every single feral

And I hate every single dev at blizz who could fix feral and doesn't

[lone anvil]

I don't want to indicate feral isn't a problem, because I think it is. But I honestly don't even think it's the biggest problem.

I don't run into nearly as many ferals as I do a spriests and I have a much tougher time vs spriests. When I fight a feral in shuffle or BGs I don't instantly know I'm going to lose. But if the enemy team in blitz has 2+ spriests and we don't have any GGs

[hidden dome]

idk, last game I got bited for 1.6 mil non crit by a feral

with like 2 second set up too

that is a 3 mil hit out of nowhere

[hidden moth]

they were hitting 3 mil

before nerfs

and spriest is a issue. got to much buffs

[hidden dome]

Yeah true

[hidden moth]

spriest is literally prenerf aff lock

[hidden dome]

Spriest is also broken

but they can't control you better than a rogue at least

ferals can just cc you forever if both are solo

[lone anvil]

Spriest was never weak it was just flying under the radar like survivability hunter or WW monk is currently

Strong but no one was complaining

[hidden moth]

what pvp wolrld quests are up im not seeing 1

[lone anvil]

Then Spriest got multiple consecutive buffs

[hidden moth]

survival*

[lone anvil]

Same diff xD

It's a sleep spec

[hidden moth]

uhhh, stun, fear, mc, the horrify ground goup bs, roots

[lone anvil]

You know what I'm saying

Spriest was already sleeper OPand got like 3 buffs

[hidden moth]

not in blitz. if ur a hunter in blitz and not mm ur high key trolling

[hidden dome]

Better than stun, stun, stun, cyclone, root, aoe root, pull back

but let's not split hairs

my heart is big enough to hate both

[hidden moth]

have to be stealthed to stun, or use bash and if u take bash u cant take incap

and if u have aoe roots u dont have vortex

[hidden dome]

Ferals has vanish, 2 if they are nelf, like every feral is.

[hidden moth]

only cc spam druid has is cyclone and that dr's. can also cloak/vanish/ kick the cast

[lone anvil]

I mean I never said I was explicitly talking about blitz. In fact I said I was talking about shuffle and blitz. If we include all arenas BM is crazy strong right now in 2s.

But that wasn't even my point. my point was to signify that spriest was good even before buffs.

And survival, at least IMO is one of those specs I never see. But when I do is OP and hard to kill

[hidden dome]

I'm not playing my rogue. I am done with my rogue for the season (thankfully)

Playing my Speedmonk right now

and the worst specs to face when going fast

are DK > Feral > Frost Mage

In my personal experience

[hidden moth]

as a frost mage i disagree

restoral just "oh lol slows"

[hidden moth]

meanwhile im almost done with my 4th 1800 set of the season

cant get this last 50 cr on frost mage. they nerfed lance way to much and i refuse to go into a frost bolt build specifically around icy veins

[lone anvil]

Frost mages counter me when I FC in WSG when they ice wall my exits routes

[hidden moth]

u know what else

mm hunter exists and cross maps mage in 1 rapid fire

[lone anvil]

Yeah but blitz is so random you're not guaranteed to have a hunter

[hidden dome]

I got 1.8 on my frost mage too, ice wall is key to win

[hidden moth]

when they out range u by 20 yrds and have more movement than a mage its rough. esp when rapid fire does 30-50% of ur hp

[lone anvil]

Knowing my luck you end up with all melee teams and no mid control

[hidden moth]

out of 100 games in blitz on mage i have had 1 game i can recall where there was not a mm hunter on the other team

[lone anvil]

I end up on teams all the time with 0 ranged dps lol

Once per day

I'll start screenshotting

[hidden moth]

its great but also u dont win the panda arathi basin when 5 go off nodes off ripand ur 3v 6 in mid

gl getting from spawn to other side of that big map and taking their spawn base before it caps in maybe 15 seconds while they have trinket bc game started 2 seconds ago

i just hate how icewall will overlap the flag so if i click flag i start breaking the wall

the only good thing on mage is i dont have to spam bg chat for someone to hero

[lone anvil]

Yeah lol

[hidden moth]

ive reported so many peopel for not using heroism

its actually trolling

[lone anvil]

Oh that's cringe

[hidden moth]

hunter no hero? all game reported. evoker? reported mage, reported

[lone anvil]

Reporting someone in a game for not using an ability? 😬

[hidden moth]

its gameplay sabatoge

heroism first team fight is so importasnt

[lone anvil]

If someone called me a racial slur in my DMs I'm not enough of a little bitch to report them

Let alone that shit

Weak

It's giving crying to the refs vibes

[hidden moth]

i mean

it is gameplay sabatoge no way aroudn it

[lone anvil]

But they aren't even breaking rules

You're just crying

[hidden moth]

i am crying bc my teammates throw

its not like

"saving it for this moment"

[lone anvil]

It's a game lol

[hidden moth]

they just never use it

rated game

i should not have to remind people to use the biggest button in the entire game in a rated bg

[lone anvil]

Blitz though.

When I play healer in blitz I don't get peels. I don't report 7 players on my healer. I just don't queue blitz lol

Queue 10 man rated BGs of you want coordinated play or message your teamates and try to arrange something

But reporting people for not reading your mind if big spoiled brat energy

[hidden moth]

its different than oh i didnt get peels which require them to be possitioned here and do these things

its

PRESS ONE BUTTON THATS OFF GCD AT START OF TEAMFIGHT

/I HEROISM
/I BLOODLUST
they dont need to read my mind when i have a macro spaming this

and tell them to use it in the 2 minute sit and chat before game starts

but people stil lfuck it up and idek how. not only is it the biggest dps/healing buff in the whole game but its also a personal dps increase yet they still dont use it

blizz either needs to give everyone heroism in blitz or remove it from blitz

not pressing heroism is equal to going into efr in wsg. picking flag and sitting on their cap and droping it when they are ready to cap the flag

Again there is a difference between pressing it later vs not pressing it at all. i report if its never pressed in a full 15 minute match. But u want to use it first team fight bc the sooner u do it the sooner u get a 2nd lust in ur 15 minute game and 2lusts vs 1-0 lusts is a big game changer. also gl winning a team fight vs a lusted team when urs is not

[lone anvil]

Respectfully, it sounds like you need to get outside and touch grass

[hidden moth]

I work 48 hours a week so I’m good

[lone anvil]

LOL you're proving my point

[hidden moth]

I mean yeah why not lol

Relaxing is just being able to sit down. If I don’t have something challenging or engaging I’d rather sleep

[lone anvil]

So you're working more than an average 40 hour week which is stressful. And then in your free time (which you have less of) you play a stressful game and then you're over reacting to every micro action in what's supposed to be a past time

[hidden moth]

Past time is for casual stuff but rated is rated

Rated is serious

[lone anvil]

So you're proving my point lol

The saying "go touch grass" means you're too emotionally connected and you need a break to de stress

[hidden moth]

I will que up normal bgs or world PvP or go play baldurs gate or elden ring if I want a relaxing easy time

[lone anvil]

So you work too much and in your free time you stress over a game

👏

[hidden moth]

I take touch grass as “get ur fat ass outside, get some sunlight and don’t be a neat”

[lone anvil]

There's more to life than work homie

Touch some grass

[hidden moth]

Yeah my rating lol

[lone anvil]

Lol

Fair enough

[hidden moth]

I do stuff with the family though dnd/ game nights etc. I work for myself and my lady but she takes care of the home. No kids no animals. I met her in destiny 2, 5 years ago so most of our hobbies end up being gaming together.

Also cheaper to do stuff at home

[lime oar]

None of those reports will be actioned lol

[lime oar]

Just wasting your time

And aren’t you already 2.4+. Why complain? Plenty of people get hardstuck and wish they could be where you are.

Seems to me like people not pressing heroism hasn’t stopped you.

[hidden dome]

Game 46 without a single match of Twin Peaks or Eye of the Storm

😄

[dawn oriole]

hı guys

whıc spec better ın pvp ?

and how can ı fınd talents ın ınternet ?

[indigo hill]

We got talents and some other info in the pins.

[topaz bobcat]

so sub does get bigger burst right?

and the hope is that it lets the spec kill in shadowy duel ?

since we get fewer of them

I dunno it becomes all so predictible now

[hidden dome]

Just play feral

like everyone else

half the effort thrice the impact

Honestly if you can't hit 1.8 in 40 games with feral

you are worse than actual new players who never touched pvp

I would know, because I have a friend who never touched arena and he got 1.8 in 37 blitz games

[potent pivot]

They’re all good

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[wanton breach]

i wonder what the damage breakdown of dazed* is atm

[potent pivot]

Bite > bleeds

Oh dazed

[wanton breach]

mistook the names xD

lik,e how much of the damage is coins and voidreaper warpblade damage

[potent pivot]

Most likely BtE, dispatch, coin, ambush, etc

I don’t think warpblade does too much but no idea

Coin should be ~8-10%

[hidden dome]

I got to 50 games without a single Eye of the Storm or Twin Peaks on my monk. The odds for that (if all bgs are equally likely) is less than 1 in 250.000

Haha

[tribal badger]

with mythic ilvl warpblade the proc does ~11k dps in sims

[orchid plinth]

Frost DK in AWC. Respect

[tribal badger]

thats in pve

this effect also has a 0.4 pvp mod on it

so like maybe 5k dps

seems pretty worthless for pvp

[lone anvil]

Haven't watched any of the AWC this weekend how has it been

[potent pivot]

Mostly more of the same as the past weekends

Feral teams winning

[hidden dome]

I GOT MY FIRST TWIN PEAKS

on my 51th game

[potent pivot]

Wonder what whaazz is going to do for the finals after the sub changes

[topaz bobcat]

is outlaw's mastery nerfed in pvp somehow?

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

It’s just meh

[orchid plinth]

Abjured double SP hpal

[topaz bobcat]

I'm also concerned about scaling on outlaw

sub has great scaling

assa likely as well

[potent pivot]

Scaling is a complete meme man

Never worry about it

[topaz bobcat]

guess so

back when they did no balance tuning between seasons mattered a lot

[potent pivot]

Specs “scaling better” is a thing of the past

[topaz bobcat]

now they just do it every week

outside of tourny weeks

[potent pivot]

It’s been since like cata

[topaz bobcat]

in bfa they did one every few months

[potent pivot]

Not their best choice it seems

[topaz bobcat]

i think since DF became more frequent

but anyway how u feel about sub ?

sounds destroyed

[potent pivot]

Yeah but it doesn’t matter. “Scaling better” is over an entire expansion

1 tuning per season makes scaling meaningless pretty much

And nah I think sub is going to be fine

As I’ve said a million times

[topaz bobcat]

if tier was all vers mastery sub would be way better

[potent pivot]

Nah

4 set isn’t very strong regardless

[orchid plinth]

Nos probably scared of dying on Lock and SP probably transfers over from playing Lock good but those 10 minutes seemed rough...

[potent pivot]

Yeah you just lose a lot running double sp

You share all DRs and have no interrupts

[orchid plinth]

Wait Nos and Nozom are different players. I assumed they were the same since Magictoker was on the bench last week.

[snow mesa]

nah +70 -> +7

fuck off

[potent pivot]

get used to it

[snow mesa]

😭

[sick wasp]

bruh whats happening with shadowplay

like aff/sp is my 3 last ques

and why aff lock has so much burst

[languid ravine]

-hooray finally there is Blitz BG mmr so I am no longer hardstuck with trash people
-nevermind I am still hardstuck with trash people because these games arent winnable if I am a literal god

[lunar granite]

every single monk on my team: i cant take flag im healer! l2p noobs
every single enemy monk: 🚩 🛫 ✈️ ✈️ ✈️ ✈️ ✈️ ✈️ 🛬 🚩

[potent pivot]

You can tell which team has practiced the comp more with Jung vs the move

[orchid plinth]

We have Feral SP at home

They should YOLO VIBE RPS

[potent pivot]

one team i think none of them stream so they probably get to practice twice as much

[lone anvil]

Was there ever a time when Pikaboo was the best rogue in WoW? I've heard a lot of people say that about him. But it also seems like something die hard pikaboo fans would say just from fanboying (I mean he's clearly a really good player to even play in the AWC)

[jolly sierra]

bruh

lit

and ppl goes mad thinking u can do something against the plane monk

[potent pivot]

The past like 10+ years

[lunar granite]

whaazz has been the best since forever but pika is the best in my heart

[potent pivot]

Comparing players is stupid but even if you ask whaazz he’d tell you pika

[jolly sierra]

peak humbleness

we all know reckful was the best overall

[worthy crag]

ppl cried about rogue nerfs and the monkey paw granted them 99.99% feral meta in awc

Also it'd be a meme to say pika has been the best rogue over whaaz

[potent pivot]

i don't think so but like i said comparing players in general is stupid

[lone anvil]

Its hard to compare in team sports anyways tbh

Cause you have the whole individual accomplishmenta vs the success of the overall team

[potent pivot]

like i'd take a bet on echo over the move sure but pika is insane

[worthy crag]

at the end of the day it just boils down to what they've won

in any sports

[lone anvil]

And then the argument becomes is someone a better player of they are good at operating within a team because part of being a good player is being a good teammate

I think it makes sense as long as you compare people in different categories

[potent pivot]

yeah but that's up to the entire team not 1 player

[lone anvil]

So you can say whazz has had the most success playing with an organized team. And maybe he is a better team player than pika

[worthy crag]

yes and no, that's kinda the closest it gets

[lone anvil]

But perhaps pika is better in other ways

[potent pivot]

if we're talking about rogues specifically pika, whaazz and kalvish are all on par

[worthy crag]

like even in sports like soccer, you have 11 players and its hard to isolate one player from the team but they still gotta look at what trophies theyve won as a team

[lone anvil]

In most sports someone won't be considered the greatest ever without titles and team success. Even if they were individually talented and or flashy

[lone anvil]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

you have more stats to go off

[worthy crag]

its like

ima use league of legends since it's also an esports with a similar (5v5) number of players

[potent pivot]

this is why i think it's a stupid argument to have in the first place

[worthy crag]

if you wanna explain why chovy is the greatest mid players of all time and not faker

and you get asked why he has never won a single worlds

[potent pivot]

it's a matter of opinion and not facts

[lone anvil]

I think there are many different ways people can be great

I think these conversations are fun as long as people don't get upset or take it too serious

[worthy crag]

Like, to qualify as the greatest player, there should be no room for a challenge that resorts to "bad team luck" imo

[lone anvil]

It's objectively a conversation that doesn't really have a definitive answer. But hearing everyone's opinions is what makes it fun

[worthy crag]

"XYZ is the greast player at this.. but never won because of team issues"

nah, the greatest player should just be greatest player, period

no "but"s

[lone anvil]

Fun*

[worthy crag]

Yeah I mean its not really fair in real life sports because the most prestigious leagues are often divided by nationality

[lone anvil]

I think it would be cool if there was a shuffle version of AWC

[jolly sierra]

that is the idea

[lone anvil]

Where you see how all these players play with different top players

[worthy crag]

and you can have an insane soccer player who was born in finland who has the talent to be the GOAT but will never be because his team is Finnish

[jolly sierra]

the arguing makes the chat spicier and allows interactions

[worthy crag]

but esports is a lot more fair in terms of those limitations

[potent pivot]

it's like the basketball argument, "MJ is the best ever because he got more championships" even though other players have had better statistics than he did

[jolly sierra]

nobody here will be like REEEEEEEE

saying that

[worthy crag]

yeah it just depends on if you see statistics as a means or an end

[lone anvil]

Yeah, true hoopers know Tim Duncan is the 🐐

[potent pivot]

that's why it's a matter of opinion

[worthy crag]

Would you rather sacrifice yourself and go 0/15/0 and lead your team to a win

[potent pivot]

[worthy crag]

or get 10/0/0 and afk in fountain as your team loses so you can have "best stats"

extreme hypotheticals but that's kinda how perspectives work

imo, wins are the only thing that matter

[potent pivot]

i just don't think that's a fair assessment when ragarding singular players

[worthy crag]

singular players, but in team sports.

[lone anvil]

How cool would it be if all of the AWC entered shuffle and did a bunch of games

And you see p
pika play with Mez

And you see Whazz play with Shaz

[worthy crag]

some players just have a "no-trophy" dna engaved in their playstyle

[lone anvil]

Wilt Chamberlain

[worthy crag]

like that split second hesitation to go in and make a dangerous play that can secure their team a win

because they think about stats

[lone anvil]

Crazy stats. Little team success

The real truth is that there are a handful of guys playing this game at a high level that are leagues ahead of the rest. Like Trickz said. Pika, whazz, kalvish ECT.

So we can all agree on that

After that it's just fun debate

[worthy crag]

The proof that they are ahead of the curve is that they ditched rogue

instead of being on a worse class and tilting

[lone anvil]

LOL

That's kind of a good point though for best rogue

I've mostly seen whazz on the rogue not the druid

But we have seen pika seemingly abandoned or give up on the rogue

[potent pivot]

imo that goes back to the team

if they can't pull off aff/x, i don't think that's on the rogue player

[lone anvil]

Yeah I guess we would have to interview them to know

But if he's top rogue why not build around him

And have his other teammate switch

But it's all kind of speculation

[potent pivot]

they're one of the only teams that has tried to force rps in a lot of awc's

[lone anvil]

Rps?

[potent pivot]

rogue priest sham

[lone anvil]

Oh gotcha

[potent pivot]

it's kinda common knowledge that sterge and wizk are good at rsham/sp

[lone anvil]

Instead of RLS

[potent pivot]

but they don't do well on other classes

[rocky vale]

anyone got any tips/WA/addons so that I can see when my healer is CCd better

[potent pivot]

even right now when sp is really good they aren't doing well

[lone anvil]

Yeah gotcha

[potent pivot]

but pika is doing pretty good on feral, minus some clones

i also forgot to mention Trill as one of the rogues that's on par

[lone anvil]

Yeah he's been doing really well this tournament

[potent pivot]

drake as well, he just doesn't stream so no one ever gets to see his pov really

[lone anvil]

I saw Drake on rogue for 1 week and then 3 weeks of feral lol

I assumed he was more of a feral main

[potent pivot]

almost every feral you see rn is a rogue main

the only feral mains i remember are Snupy, Axtin and Tj

[lone anvil]

Drake has history on both rogue and feral

Or at least that's what the announcers said

But some of the guys playing feral. Like pika or kalvish, I got to see on rogue for multiple weeks before they switched

[lime oar]

Sad it’s come to this I might actually level my feral

[potent pivot]

idk maybe he's played it before but afaik def a rogue main

[lone anvil]

Rogues still is strong right? I mean we are talking about pro players in a tournament going feral for comps

I didn't think rogue was gutted.

Id you look at resto druids there aren't many rated over 2200 in 2s or 3s

That's how you know rDruid is hurting

There's plenty of rogues over 2400

[worthy crag]

eh

[potent pivot]

basically every spec in the game is viable on the ladder

anyone who says otherwise is coping

[worthy crag]

doesnt really matter, unless you have some friends on btag most people will just simp for meta

[lone anvil]

I only play with friends on Btag. How else do you meet arena partners? LFG seems like a nightmare

[worthy crag]

by having played this game long enough that your old mates have all quit and/or committing to work life schedule that makes it difficult to commit to finding anyone new xd

[lone anvil]

Playing with randoms without coma verses organizes teams who have chemistry and coms

[lone anvil]

That sucks

I feel that

It's hard to meet people in the current state of the game

[worthy crag]

I cant even remember the last time I played with comms tbh

[lone anvil]

It used to be you'd just hangout in goldshire or crossroads dueling and meet pvpers

I just add people from shuffles I run and stuff like that. I try to network a lot

[lone anvil]

Brave

[languid ravine]

why does the 1H sword cost 25 conquest extra? what kinda scam is this

[indigo hill]

Its longer than the axe and mace, so you pay extra.

[lone anvil]

We get alot of weirdos trying to meet cool people.

One week we got this guy in Voicechat who was on shaman and wasn't using hex or frost shock in PvP. And he was yelling at his girlfriend on their anniversary for getting mad at him cause he bought her taco bell and she didn't get him anything.

The next day we got a pally in voice and the first thing he did was complain about having to be in a Boring meeting for some DUI he had

[lone anvil]

But I've also met some great people to queue with. And got linked up with a PvP guild that groups multiple times a week. And have some regular 2s and 3s partners

[worthy crag]

yeah im just too old to have to hear/deal with that shit. I'd honestly queue at least 20~30 rounds without comms, see what they say after a loss to know what type of teammate they are, and then decide if I want to add them on their btag at all

and even then actually doing voice with them is a whole other story

[lone anvil]

Maybe I'm old fashioned but in the same way I still prefer being cashed out at a store instead of self checkout or going to a bank instead of online banking I prefer Voicechat. Only because I feel like we live in a world that is squeezing out human connection. And gaming is a social thing for me

I like the little interactions even if they aren't perfect and I get some weirdos along the way

[fervent cobalt]

Can someone explain to me all these outlaw rogues

in AWC

It just seems so fking bad

[potent pivot]

it's pretty good

[fervent cobalt]

How tho.

I really want like a good explanation

[potent pivot]

wdym how

it does decent dmg, is quite tanky, has a good utility kit

[fervent cobalt]

But over sub with on demand CS,

[lone anvil]

He really just said "skill issue"

Me too though

Im ass at outlaw

[fervent cobalt]

I dont play outlaw

but I watch all the awc matches

[potent pivot]

sub is okay with the right comp

[fervent cobalt]

and they almost always lose.

[potent pivot]

it's not crazy good

[lone anvil]

I think the fact that they are in the AWC is still a good sign. If it was in the rubbish bin people probably wouldn't be playing it. Perhaps they're just being outplayed by stronger comps

[fervent cobalt]

Oh I know people can play them well. just seems so bad when they have such a low win %

[potent pivot]

at this point there's more outlaw representation than sub

[fervent cobalt]

I KNOW

which is crazy to me

[lone anvil]

And assassination, no? I feel like any assassination main is on feral

[fervent cobalt]

Feral just better sin

[lone anvil]

Yeee

[fervent cobalt]

They need a nerf so bad

[potent pivot]

assa is kinda bad in this awc

[potent pivot]

that would make assa represenation zero

not even worth mentioning

[fervent cobalt]

there shouldnt be classes to do the same things, change feral or change sin. they are just the same

[potent pivot]

nah i think they're quite different

very basic mechanics are similar

[lone anvil]

Someone was on assassination earlier in the tournament. Are there 0 sin rogues now lol

[potent pivot]

tool kit and damage profile is quite different

[fervent cobalt]

THey are both bleed melee stealth.

[potent pivot]

ye

[potent pivot]

again, very basic mechanics

[fervent cobalt]

Like feral has way more tools

so sin just doesnt work when you have feral

Better everything.

[potent pivot]

sin has more types of cc and different types of defensives

[fervent cobalt]

overall just worse tho.

Other then blind.

[potent pivot]

and sap

[fervent cobalt]

Yea but sin doesnt have easy way to stealth other then the racial and 2 vanishes

so you get the sap at the start MAYBE and then after that you have to waste vanish on gos.

So sap is very very conditional

where sub can just dance.

[potent pivot]

what are we even saying now

i was saying sin and feral have very basic mechanics that are similar, but overall they are quite different

[lone anvil]

Similarities:
-Dash is identical to sprint. Even the words are similar.

• both have combo points. Bite = eviscerate, rip = rupture, primall wrath = crimson tempest.
• both have a kidney shot

Ferals don't have evasion but they have bear form with defenses

[potent pivot]

the discussion keeps devolving into different types of dooming i don't get it

[fervent cobalt]

Na, just sin is just worse feral and I wish they would just change one

[lone anvil]

They are different but crazy similar

[potent pivot]

i mean that only exists because of tuning

[lone anvil]

Edited: both also have a 5 combo point stun

[potent pivot]

if feral hadn't gotten buffed we wouldn't be seeing this many

it's very simple

[fervent cobalt]

Almost every team is playing feral.

is just so boring.

paladin, sp, feral

[potent pivot]

that's almost every awc

[fervent cobalt]

like every team

[lone anvil]

This and i think that's a lot of games unfortunately

[potent pivot]

either everyone is playing rmp, or everyone is playing ret/war, etc

[fervent cobalt]

whaazz the only team running sub disc, mage/lock

[potent pivot]

legit every awc is the same, and it's all based on tuning

[lone anvil]

It doesn't even have to be a huge gap. People leverage any advantage they can have. In a lot of competitive games people bandwagon and abuse meta

[potent pivot]

we'll see if they keep that comp after next week

[lone anvil]

I think it's hard to obtain balance with 14 classes and 42 specs

[fervent cobalt]

Actually so sad

[potent pivot]

they'll probably be playing feral for grand finals

[fervent cobalt]

Dude I hope not.

like wtf is blizz doing.

[potent pivot]

[lone anvil]

I remember reading something written by WoW devs years ago and they say the biggest thing they regretted was Introducing arena because it was much harder to balance to
Pve and PvP simultaneously. Harder than they anticipated

[fervent cobalt]

Why nerf rogue when they are so underplayed in pvp and pve

Pika played much better today

then last week

[potent pivot]

last week he didn't even know what Bloodtalons was

so

[fervent cobalt]

I know

lol

I watched him make the WA

like lmfao

[languid ravine]

where is the 1800 token vendor? why do I have to google this shit every patch

[potent pivot]

in the spider zone

[languid ravine]

yea like it says on the token :d

[potent pivot]

mhm

go find

[lime oar]

If it’s such a pain to balance both simultaneously than I don’t get why they don’t just make two seperate versions. Like ffxiv. Obviously don’t dumb it down like they do but yk

[potent pivot]

kalvish outlaw rmp

[fervent cobalt]

lmfao

see

like why

[jolly sierra]

so even devs hates us

nice

[potent pivot]

because it's good

[fervent cobalt]

id be suprised if kal wins this round

[lone anvil]

Haha yeah.

Realistically it's probably gotten Better. That was 15 years ago and I think it was just a moment of honesty with their struggles.

But they've also added 3 classes

I think they could remove half the abilities from the game and maybe 1-2 classes and the game would feel better/ be easier to balance

[potent pivot]

that's super old

[jolly sierra]

still hates us tho

[potent pivot]

nah

that guy left blizz in like 2014 or some shit

none of that says they dislike pvp

[lone anvil]

Nonetheless, I think it's really hard to obtain class balance, and I think they do a good job

I just don't think it's an easy job

[potent pivot]

just that it made it a lot harder to balance the game than they expected

[fervent cobalt]

bro ceralium is gonna die

[lone anvil]

Yeah no one was prepared for it

[fervent cobalt]

there is the block

Lol

told you

outlaw never wins

[potent pivot]

...

[fervent cobalt]

killing spree tickles

and cant do shit

[potent pivot]

outlaw has won quite a few games

[fervent cobalt]

Ive watched everey awc match, last weekend trill played outlaw and got swept.

next week he was sub

did way better

[potent pivot]

dazed and niksi have won games

[fervent cobalt]

did they win yesterday? Niksi

I cant remember

Hes sub

kal is

watch this W

fkinf dcs

what is he playing on dial up

[potent pivot]

you were saying?

[fervent cobalt]

Lmfao

[potent pivot]

[fervent cobalt]

well jesus

WTF

lmfao

No= fking way

so lame

he dc'd 2 times

[fervent cobalt]

Yo think?

[potent pivot]

it's not impossible

there were allegations that a certain team DDoS'd Tj last awc

[fervent cobalt]

Salty mofos

[potent pivot]

he didn't dc all week then dc'd multiple games in awc

[fervent cobalt]

way to ruin thew last game.

if true.

[potent pivot]

but F tier waiting for ceralium kinda makes that seem improbable

[fervent cobalt]

Yea both times.

[lone anvil]

What happened when someone DCs btw

Do they replay the round

[potent pivot]

Nope

If someone DCs, they lose

The other team has no obligation to wait but sometimes they do

You’ll see that a lot of the time in the r1 ladder as well

If a player DCs usually everyone will wait for them to reconnect

At least in NA they usually do, I can’t speak on EU I’ve never pushed on EU

[lone anvil]

That's pretty cool

[fervent cobalt]

Im so salty we are getting a nerf to sub.. lol it actually hurts my heart.

[languid ravine]

I ve soloed 9 guys capped 3 bases and the game was A DRAW

[potent pivot]

i think too many people are overplaying the changes

[fervent cobalt]

Ive played it on the ptr and I like the SoD changes

[potent pivot]

as long as the damage is good, it will be fine

[fervent cobalt]

Ive hit a 3m evis which was wild

on a dummy

but still never hit that on dummy on live

same with huge ST

[lone anvil]

You had me at "soloing 9 guys" 🥵 ...I knew rogues do it best from behind but DAMN

[languid ravine]

it was actually only 6 guys the other 3 were 2v2

[fervent cobalt]

gonna use more feints and not even use bargin anymore.

[lone anvil]

Was I the dummy

[fervent cobalt]

lol

not having cloak and evasion up often gonna stink

but maybe in duels ill finish people off..

[lone anvil]

Even kinky-er

Tbh

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[fervent cobalt]

@potent pivot you think you gonna run the nahj build with flag?

instead of deeper daggers

[potent pivot]

no idea

[fervent cobalt]

with the combo point increase seems like a good idea

just when do you press flag

after the kindney

or cheap.

[potent pivot]

probably not immediately

[fervent cobalt]

ive never even used flag

[potent pivot]

probably open with a subterfuge opener, flag towards the end of subt then kidney someone

[hidden moth]

I may try to shoot for a r1 not sure yet. But I’m already planing to push 2600

[lime oar]

Ain’t no way people aren’t pressing heroism up there

[lone anvil]

Because he reports them all

They're probably all banned

[fervent cobalt]

push lets GO!

[hidden moth]

Watch omnivores stream, dude is 2700+ and still has people not doing it I’m not joking

[hidden moth]

I do what I can 🫡

[restive crane]

Anyone in here?

[jolly sierra]

no

[restive crane]

😮

are there any rogue good rogue streamers to check out to learn from?

[surreal barn]

Better to watch the bad ones

See what not to do

[potent pivot]

kalvish, pikaboo, whaazz, nahj, there's quite a few

[lavish gorge]

There's also something quite nice about doing an hours worth of grocery shopping and not having to bag your own things. It supplies jobs, offers some degree of humanity, and reduces the effort of grocery shopping. Self checkout is a step backward.

[lone anvil]

Agreed lol. I wasn't trying to do a huge commentary on the grocery store aspect but I could have a whole other deep dive about that specific topic.

[hidden moth]

I like interaction that’s why I’m in here too much

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeeeeeeexo

Whats up

Spanish production boss

[nova viper]

Pshero is good too imo

[hidden moth]

The best rogue player is baker ice change my mind

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[jolly sierra]

tsup polish supersoldier

all good, they renewed my contract till january

so ill have money for now lol

[fervent cobalt]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC anyone know why this doesnt show up in bgb? but does on the pvp dummy

[potent pivot]

check the conditions

[potent pivot]

the load

mb

[fervent cobalt]

no worries

still dont work I wonder why

[potent pivot]

try ticking the load condition to always

[fervent cobalt]

wheres that at?

this?

[potent pivot]

should be near the top

no

under the load tab

[potent pivot]

click the never one maybe

one of them changes into always

[fervent cobalt]

actually it doesnt even work in a duel

lol

doesnt work on players just the pvp training dummy

Could it be a plater thing?

[potent pivot]

no idea i don't use plater

[fervent cobalt]

fook ok

[potent pivot]

or elvui

[fervent cobalt]

ill try and figure it out

[stoic spruce]

LSUI and WAs are all you need

I use default plates so LSUI may or may not have that idr

[broken otter]

Did anyone play Sub so far, this AWC? I've seen nothing but Outlaw from the limited games I've watched.

[fervent cobalt]

Whaazz

and sometimes kal

[potent pivot]

Trill and Nahj played some

[broken otter]

Word, thank you.

[potent pivot]

I think everyone’s been trying different stuff because the feral hpal meta is hard to deal with

[hidden moth]

Which is funny bc I only see people complain about disc priest

[lone anvil]

And Hpally is getting buffed idk why in the hell

[hidden moth]

So is ret

I’m rerolling hunter for the dark ranger change

[lone anvil]

Is it going to be that strong

[hidden moth]

Yeah

It’s way better

More kill shot procs black arrow replaced kill shot does more damage

Shoots for free during true shot

Like if u get a proc of it in true shot it just auto fires the black arrow at 3 people

While ur still cranking out aimed shots and rapid fires

[lone anvil]

I don't understand

[hidden moth]

Hm?

[lone anvil]

Jist why S tier classes like MM and h pally get buffs

[hidden moth]

Balance and feral semi buffs

As well

Bc of hero talent changes rdruid buffs monk buffs

As if mw wasn’t already op

[lone anvil]

I play rDruid you think the buffs will make it competitive

It hasn't been in a great spot

Everyone talks about how constant class changes are a positive. Which I'm still not sure if I buy that.

But more frequent isn't better if they keep missing the mark.

Like repeatedly buffing classes that don't need it and ignoring specs that do. Or buffing abilities classes never use

[hidden moth]

Enveloping mist is now dispelable but is just purgeprotection. If u purge it, the target instantly gets an absorb for 80% of the total healing that it would’ve done if left un purged and it increases their healing recieved by 30%

[lone anvil]

More of something is only good if it's more of a good thing to begin with

[fervent cobalt]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC if anyone wants this for pvp I have it fixed!

I can link it to you if ya want.

[atomic adder]

Whazz was talking on stream yesterday about how he thinks sub rogue is actually going to be better on Tuesday. Just a totally different build that will do big dam. Do you think that’s copium from him?

[stoic spruce]

Nah it makes sense really

[atomic adder]

He said something along the lines of “I don’t want to bait you guys too much. But just watch, sun will have a new build on Tuesday and it’s much better than current build”

[stoic spruce]

The only spec that's not really gaining anything is Outlaw. Even then still getting some QoL improvements.

It's def possible

[lone anvil]

Im interested

[hidden moth]

Dark Ranger
New Talent: Bleak Arrows – Your auto shot now deals Shadow damage. Your auto shot has a 20%/8% chance to grant Deathblow.
New Talent: Phantom Pain – When Kill Command/Aimed Shot damages a target affected by Black Arrow, 8% of the damage dealt is replicated to each other unit affected by Black Arrow.
New Talent: Banshee’s Mark – Murder of Crows now deals Shadow damage and casting Black Arrow has a 25% chance to summon a Murder of Crows on your target.
New Talent: The Bell Tolls – Black Arrow is now usable on enemies with greater than 80% or less than 20% health.
New Talent: Shadow Dagger – While in combat, casting Disengage releases a fan of daggers at nearby enemies, dealing very low Shadow damage and slowing affected targets by 30%.
New Talent: Bleak Powder – Casting Black Arrow while Beast Cleave/Trick Shots is active causes Black Arrow to explode upon hitting a target, dealing moderate damage to nearby enemies.
New Talent: Soul Drinker – When an enemy affected by Black Arrow dies, you have a 10% chance to gain Deathblow.
Black Arrow has been redesigned – Kill Shot is now replaced with Black Arrow. Black Arrow: You attempt to finish off a wounded target, dealing high Shadow damage and low Shadow damage over time for 10 seconds. Only usable on enemies with less than 20% health.
Withering Fire has been redesigned – Every 3 casts of Bestial Wrath/While Trueshot is active, you surrender to darkness for 12 seconds. When you gain Deathblow, and Black Arrow automatically fires at your target and two additional Black Arrows at 50% effectiveness.
Shadow Surge has been redesigned – Periodic damage from Black Arrow has a small chance to erupt in a burst of darkness, dealing moderate Shadow damage to all enemies near the target. Damage reduced beyond 8 targets.
Visual effects updated for Shadow Surge, Bleak Powder, Withering Fire, and Black Arrow.
The following talents have been removed:
Dark Empowerment
Darkness Calls
Death Shade
Grave Reaper
Overshadow
Shadow Erasure
Shadow Lash
@lone anvil these changes gonna be sick

Oh god that’s more text than I was expecting to fill up the chat

[topaz bobcat]

can someone tell me how the cursed enchants work in pvp or pve ?

is it just more expensive or is there a limit like embellishments?

I saw there is a downside, so worth it for sub I guess? 2x cursed mastery?

[hidden moth]

More expensive bc harder to craft at high end bc skill req+ mats

But it’s like a kiss curse where u trade a stat for more of another one

So in total u will gain the same number of stats as the radiant ones but just more of a single stat. 315 vs 500-185=315 stat gain

[stoic spruce]

SoB

[waxen meteor]

fuck, after a 6 lose streak, finally coming back with 14-0 and 14-1 double games

who cares about speaking

when nobody listens

i just do whatever i want then

can sleep well tonight

[broken otter]

Who is this "sun"?

[waxen meteor]

Battle for Gilneas, best BG!

[broken otter]

AB, BfG, EotS are my fav 3

[lone anvil]

It's very rogue coded

Battle for Gilneas just feels like a rogue map. I don't know how to describe it. If I was better at the game is probably win on that map a lot too

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's why i said it's best lol

it's like i don't care how trash spme teammates might be

i can almost win the game myself

[hidden moth]

Man said eots, ban him

[broken otter]

[hidden moth]

My beef with eots is people letting dks grip them to force a cap

Or even holding flag when we have them 2 capped

[echo quartz]

it should be held away and ready to jump off , not cap.

[lone anvil]

Rated EOTS feels much less chaotic and much more manageable than normal EOTs but also harder to come back from a deficit

[waxen meteor]

yeah capping on eots is not a good idea in most scenarios

[lime oar]

Damn dark ranger is looking sick boys I might have to make the swap

[waxen meteor]

unless it's last minutes

or your teammate happens to be at other side of the nodes

and he has iq

and your team score is behind for more than 1 flag

[waxen meteor]

what happens if you carry the flag and jump off? reset at flag initial position?

[potent pivot]

balance is so insane

[waxen meteor]

I think the issue is not only they do big dps

also SP is doing great dps when being trained whole game badly

it looks like you are training me, but i am actually training you

[viscid prairie]

Looking good hey

[topaz bobcat]

the embellishment that doubles nerubian embels also doubles the cursed enchants?

[hidden moth]

No

[hidden moth]

If ur 2 base u shouldn’t hold flag period. Make them want it and grab it and then smack them. Bc it makes the carrier take more damage and less healing. Makes defending a base ez mode bc u just play whack a mole on the person who wants to take more damage and less healing

[hidden moth]

Yeah it resets to mid if not held for 10 seconds iirc

[hidden moth]

Somehow people fuck that up. Legit lost a game we had 2 capped, team caped flag and it was 1487-500ish and we LOST BC THEY SPUN AND two caped us

[waxen meteor]

Yeah those moment really drives people crazy

I mean I can totally handle loses if they just outplay us, or just better performing/better pvp skill or simply better random formations

But if somebody just decides to do iq20 thing and lead to loses out of no where, just too frustrating

[fervent cobalt]

@lone anvil I can send you tmr I just got off I'll pm it to you

[fervent cobalt]

I also think there is Hella big dam coming in hot

[hidden moth]

Like not using hero

[lavish gorge]

outlaw feeling pretty aight ngl

Did we lose? Possibly. Possibly. Did I lose? Not once.

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw feels great, what you smoking?

[lavish gorge]

aight is my great homie. I'm smoking absolutely nothing since 2023. It's all dry herb vape these days

[hidden moth]

I’m smokin on their pack

Smokin on that free mmr

[lavish gorge]

Yknow that kinda smoking will rot the packs lungs right?

get it? rot? ahaaaaaa

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-that-pack-smoke-pack-aew-mox-gif-11389622734215395174

[indigo hill]

They really need to change fear to break on damage.

[hidden moth]

It does

Just not instantly with any damage

But has a damage break threshold on it. But even with the talent to make it so fears damage threshold is maxxed a single shadow word death will break it

[stoic lava]

Anyone feel like their bg blitz just randomly vanishes. Playing 2700-2800 lobbies all night then its randomly perma 2100-2300

im tilting

[indigo hill]

But I want it to break on insta damage. War fear lasts forever

[lavish gorge]

You have to be at least a little smart to take advantage of fear. It's harder for spriest to take advantage of with all of the dots.

Though, I see your pain, I think fear is a necessary tool considering they have no interrupts or on demand cc otherwise.

Warrior being the exception to the rule right? lol

me at the disc priest's corpse after doing 30 million damage and being feared 60x

[indigo hill]

I wouldn't mind fear if it wasn't for the other cc constantly on you. Fear, root, stun, let's do another fear and a war fear.

[lavish gorge]

Honestly, I've found that just precogging your defensives really ruins any cc chain the enemy can throw at you. I've completely shut down warriors by precogging evasion, and assassin rogues just melt when you cleanse all their setup with cloak

Most others you just pop crimson and keep wailing on em. Ferals are the things I have most issues with on cc

Trinket wrong and you're toast T_T

They taking my lunch money out here.

[minor bolt]

add one or two characters of other race also looking at the ground and you have an album cover

[hidden moth]

Bc all the high mmr players went to bed so it’s giving u low cr games

[hidden moth]

Pro tip mage 1v1 a war and he spell reflects, counter spell him. He reflects the counter spell and u get feee precog

[hidden moth]

Pre cog evasion? Pre pop you mean? Why do u have precog as rogue

[lavish gorge]

Lol sorry. Crossing terms from other games. I mean telegraphing

[runic trench]

Me means he activated his third eye and predicted cc

[hidden moth]

Ah

Ye, cc Is predicable from war esp bc storm bolt has travel time

Just meld that shit

[lyric onyx]

Ran into a familiar face during blitz yesterday

[indigo hill]

Sir..sir, this is the rogue discord.

[indigo hill]

Nice. Was he with you?

[hidden moth]

sir sir, was giving an example

[indigo hill]

Appreciate it. 😁

[hidden moth]

considering that his portrait is red prob not

[indigo hill]

Didn't even see. I was star struck.

[lyric onyx]

Nah kicked my ass 2 games in a row.. it was an honour

[hidden moth]

idek who this kid is

[stoic lava]

actaully tho

im getting 2k falt lobbies now

literally 2050 mmr

LIKE WHAT

[indigo hill]

Best sv hunter there is.

[lyric onyx]

Also bicmex made the best version of gladius

[indigo hill]

That too and possibly the longest pvp guides in the history of pvp gaming.

[hidden moth]

ye about 3-4 am is what omni calls "alt o clock" bc high mmr games cease

[hidden moth]

oh thats why, sv hunter... rare breed

[hidden moth]

i alwaays see people rec sarena

still no hero rn in omni stream 2600 lobby

@lone anvil

they finally pressed it

[iron sage]

How is sub looking next patch? Trying to pick it up

[sick wasp]

not rly alot to say from ptr

[safe pelican]

Feral looks great next patch if that’s what you’re asking

Assa tribe stand up 🗣️🔊

[sick wasp]

hunter or mage is the way^^

[safe pelican]

Excuse me Hunter

[sick wasp]

yup hunter slaps

[safe pelican]

He’s right mine is already ready and on standby need to make sure i roll Hunter and not rogue just gotta bite the bullet i used to be a Hunter back in 2012 when i was a kiddo but i love the aesthetic of rogue so i force myself to play it

[sick wasp]

the main reason hunter looks good is that it has become a bleed spec

and u just press bm

unless u wanna cook curvival

or mm

all good

[safe pelican]

All great going Mm cause rapid fire is easy brrrrrr kill and it feels good when people try to run and it still channels through the edge of a pillar or something

[sick wasp]

its low cd memeing

like 20sec

[safe pelican]

The disengage buff is solely why I’ll go Hunter that is broken af

[sick wasp]

yup

true

[safe pelican]

They will be on par with mage cc / mobility outside of a visible blink

[candid tide]

dang assa is hard in shuffle, my hp goes down fast

[sick wasp]

i think mage is the king

its just stupid how much stuff it has

[safe pelican]

Mage is king rn I kinda pushing it saying that lol BUT we will see after the patch if im right or wrong

Outside of poly obviously

[safe pelican]

Don’t feel like talking your head off with assa tips in shuff but yea it’s tough, pressure the healer that’s where a lot of people go wrong

[candid tide]

give me tips pls

[safe pelican]

Gouge into full kidney on healer after you get your bleeds up on both dps , so I’m opening getting my bleeds up on both the dps unless you open healer and that’s situational but ideally after getting my both bleeds up dps I’m sending either a gouge into full kidney on the healer to force trinket and tilt the game my way instantly

[candid tide]

k ima try that out ty

do you bleed the healer up?

and do you DM right of the bat?

[safe pelican]

Keep it mind the pressure from vanish garrotes yes i bleed the healer up , after i get the dps both bleed up another way you can go is vanish cheap , garrote , garrote , rupture the healer then I’ll drop deathmark

[candid tide]

or wait till the right timing

[fallow rune]

What spec is best for PvP? Sub or assassin? Mostly bgs and open world stuff.

[hidden moth]

both

[minor bolt]

both good. Sin can be clutch with the aoe+ healing reduction if you dont wanna 1v1 all the time.
Sub more potent if you wanna just play it oldschool

[candid tide]

dont u want to drop dm when a target has gar and rupture up first?

[hidden moth]

i play assa though

[minor bolt]

the best spec is the one you can play without getting bored or frustrated quickly

[safe pelican]

Yes youre not going to press Dm without bleeds though i have done it to get kills in rounds when the healer is CC’d

[hidden moth]

assa is sooo good in team fights aoe ms and bleeds every where so the enemy heals have alot to keep up with

[candid tide]

i cant survive this squisyness

[safe pelican]

Situational say the dps is 15% health and he’s about to die cause my teammates on him , had a shuffle last weekend where i stepped to the healer cause he was off DR full kidney , death mark into the healer then garrote , blah blah , cause i want to kill the dps DM affects all my bleeds so he now receive increased bleeds running away while his healer is CC’d

[candid tide]

but i guess ofc cause the execution is not fluid yet

[fallow rune]

Well I’ve played both assassin and sub, but I mostly play battlegrounds and open world PvP.

[candid tide]

not used to not having stuns at the grabs

[long shore]

Assas and sub is the same gear in PvP right ?

Please tell me it's the same

[candid tide]

ya

[long shore]

Thank goodness

I'm so broke from crafting

Can't imagine making a new set for another spec

[candid tide]

join the darkside

[hidden moth]

its not

sub 2 set assa 4

[fallow rune]

Which would be easiest to get back into if you haven’t played for a while, sin or sub?

[safe pelican]

I love sub but I find that in higher rated shuffle lobbies it requires setup and sometimes your teammates are just brain dead rather pump dual target pressure and cc the healer to win keep it simple

Watch Nahj play some assa he taught me a lot , hea great at dual target pressure shows you how the healer can get out paced if you play it right and the Kidney shot just wins the game

[candid tide]

nice with sub is it can stop stuff all the time because of cheese dust

and some dr management

[fallow rune]

Would sub or sin fare better for “solo” PvP stuff?

[hidden moth]

this wont apply past tuesday

just keep that in mind

[safe pelican]

That’s exactly why I’ve been rolling assa the past month

I don’t want to be in shock when they take it away I’m already used to not having it on assa so whatever

Just don’t see how sub survives without blades being reset somehow

[narrow tangle]

assa is tankier than ever actually

its just sub is immortal

[candid tide]

then i guess lower healers are just not pressing buttons

[chrome schooner]

Assa is not tanky at all

[narrow tangle]

its not tanky but it has two vanishes two charge of feint and feint will be off global cd

compared to other versions of assa

not to other classes

[wanton breach]

just got destroyed by triple mm, double unholy in eots blitz - wtf is this matchmaking algorithm

[candid tide]

quadruple mm yesterday shit just melted

or some bm in the mix too

on eots

[hidden moth]

SAME

why i went assa and not sub bc i didnt wanna learn the spec with the cdr and then not have it

[hidden moth]

evasion and cloak are also good esp with the new death stalker talent where they give 20% dr to their opposite counter

[atomic adder]

This is not really true - rogue in general is pretty tank. Assa might not be tanky in comparison to sub and outlaw, but it’s fairly tanky in general. It’s just that sub and outlaw are giga tanky

[chrome schooner]

Assa is not tanky compared to almost every single spec in the game at the moment

Which makes it not tanky

If your point of comparison is previous squishier versions ... sure, but that's not how it works, because if everyone else is also tankier, then, you're not tanky

Maybe it dies slightly less quickly than before but it still dies faster than everything else, so it's not tanky :p

[hidden moth]

Going by the arena focus target tier list

[chrome schooner]

This is not based on tankiness alone

[hidden moth]

Assa is the 10th most tanky spec in game

[chrome schooner]

LMAO

[hidden moth]

I’m memeing

[chrome schooner]

Mmh

[hidden moth]

It’s still not that squish if u play it right

[chrome schooner]

It's not about how you feel about it though

It's just numbers

All other specs in the game right now are harder to kill

[hidden moth]

Rogue easily out tanks dh

[chrome schooner]

assa isn't tanky

[hidden moth]

Boomkins die so quickly

Warriors are squishy as well

[chrome schooner]

I hope you're still meming that's all I can say

[hidden moth]

Have u faced these classes?

[chrome schooner]

If not, then lets not enter an argument because someone saying WARRIOR is squishy as hell ... nah.

Yeah I'd say I have a good handle on the game and have faced about everything :p

[hidden moth]

Idk man I diddy party up warriors left and right

Even hunters feel more squishy than rogues esp in 1v1

[wanton breach]

kekwhat

[candid tide]

im a specialist at killing ferals at 1600-1700

[hidden moth]

2 25% dr and a 30% with a heal equal to crimson vial vs, double 40% dr feint, 100% dodge with 20% magic dr. 100% magic immune with 20% phys dr. Disarm. 2 vanish+ smeld and crim flask and soothing shadows, and smoke bomb

Mm doesn’t do shit when he turtles and sits there bleeding out doing 0 damage to me

[wanton breach]

that comparison lacks their insane amount of micro cc and kiteability

[hidden moth]

Rouge shouldn’t get kited by hunters

And even if u do u only need a few seconds to get ur bleeds and ur golden

[candid tide]

its weird

sometimes i vanish with assa and my gar cd doesnt get resetted

[narrow tangle]

feature

[chrome schooner]

if you believe feint is 40% DR I would ask you to read the tooltip again

when i read what you type I feel like you meet players who play with no hands

Good MM Hunters kite Assa easily if they have a little bit of space

[hidden moth]

Yeah 40% aoe dr

Half this games damage is aoe

[chrome schooner]

Ah yes, and when you face a hunter he actually AoEs you down

Indeed

[hidden moth]

Idk I don’t lose my one v one to hunter

[chrome schooner]

Aoe Aimed Shot, AoE Rapid Fire, these are well known

AoE Kill Command for the BM enthusiasts

Of course

[hidden moth]

Look man your the one losing the ones to hunters 🤷‍♂️

[chrome schooner]

Ahahah

[hidden moth]

Trick shots btw for team fight scenarios

[chrome schooner]

I like how it's always the same profile of player who act like this

[hidden moth]

Point is assa isn’t that squish to begin with. But if u think it is that’s on u.

[chrome schooner]

I shall be taught the game by the likes of you indeed 🙂

[hidden moth]

Gonna be a rough learning experience when i que into you on my alts

[chrome schooner]

1st you play on NA and I don't

2nd I don't think you'd ever be able to q into me

matchmaking by rating and stuff y'know

Anyhow, it was very interesting to discuss with someone who believes Warriors Hunters and Druids die quicker than Assassination in the current game, fun experience, would do again

[hidden moth]

Depends on which ur more comfy with both play a bit different and while sub has more survivablity than assa is also comes with a lot more to keep up with

[lyric onyx]

now im fanboying

[grave basin]

Is this real life