It might be a little hard to secure an outlaw coming next week.
#pvp
lavish gorge
indigo hill
I'm rolling to dractyr. That knock back and glide is gonna be useful for me in bgs
runic trench
It’s gonna cost me a bazillion dollars to switch all my crafted gear to vers crit lmao
lavish gorge
I was tempted to. But I decided to stay vulpera. Too attached to her thematically.
indigo hill
Yeah that's fair. I got 60 alts so I got a few of every race. Can always hop over.
lavish gorge
Yes. Thats fine
As long as dagger is oh only
OH dagger is technically best in slot
But you can't mog a dagger into a sword
Can't make me give these up
Hm. Can you mog legion artifact dual wield onto one weapon and it'll take over the other?
Sorry, tangent.
Point is dagger is fine
As long as it's offhand
indigo hill
Fending off Darkness WQ is up in EU.
potent pivot
don't know if i'd recommend following palumor's if it's a cheesey one shot thing like usual
stoic spruce
4 grapples will make you a god tier fc
stoic spruce
Hm. Can you mog legion artifact dual wield onto one weapon and it'll take over ...
Yes. Mog the main hand
No I'm dumb
stoic spruce
That won't work with dagger
lavish gorge
All I know is fending off darkness is up and It's about damn time
nah it's so marginal it's unreal
potent pivot
Hm. Can you mog legion artifact dual wield onto one weapon and it'll take over ...
you mean mog sword/dagger artifacts at the same time? yes i'm pretty sure
you can also mog 2 sword artifacts even with a dagger equipped iirc
graceful ravine
4 grapples will make you a god tier fc
i just wanna team fight and kill everybody lol
lavish gorge
Hm hm. @potent pivot Thanks for the info 🙂
anyone here mind running a 74 alt through fending off the darkness real quick?
I've got 4 80's but Imma try to suffer first.
four 80's one 74, maybe I can squeeze out 5 fending
EU specifically
Nvm! it scales 🙂
vivid prawn
don't know if i'd recommend following palumor's if it's a cheesey one shot thing...
Idek the difference tbh. I don't fully get how the spells work together yet so I'm trying to memorize an opener. Anyone you rec?
orchid plinth
vivid prawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAVWeKeyYMk
Ty king
lavish gorge
Lmao sparking battle went from 5 to 20?
That feels like a giiiiiant middle finger after waiting months for fending off darkness
strange stag
How is outlaw doin in blitz?
lavish gorge
finna become god tier with 4 grapples
otherwise it's okay.
plays like a rogue, smells like a rogue
lime oar
Lmao sparking battle went from 5 to 20?
Sparking battle is the sparks quest x20. The pvp world quest achiev is still 5x each
lavish gorge
Seems to have greyed out with the completion of Champion's tour. no pet reward either, no title, no mount.
oof.
indigo hill
You can do both achievements on alt. if your got 5 70+ chars you can get the Fending off Darkness done in a day.
lavish gorge
Champion's tour is done already. Just did exactly that.
indigo hill
Yeah its bugged. Ironically the pet reward is a bug.
lavish gorge
So this sparking battle, i need to do the 20? Should I HAVE to do the 20? is that intended? is my question for clarification.
lime oar
Yes.
lavish gorge
It was 5 all throughout the first few weeks when I did it is why I asked, then lit up, then greyed out. So there was confusion.
Damn I thought I was close. C'est la vie. what's a few more weeks.
lime oar
It was bugged for some. It’s been 20 since launch for me
indigo hill
Thats another achievement. Sparking Battle is doing the sparks quest 5 times. Sparkling Battle is the achievement for 20.
lime oar
Bros wtf
lime oar
lime oar
it’s a bug
lime oar
Same exact achiev but some peeps it stayed 5 for some reason.
Gonna take me hella long I’m too lazy to do sparks on alts. I hate that shit
lavish gorge
No bueno. 14 more to go. I think I've got 7 alts, i'll do this over the weekend.
I'm getting some screws outta my mouth tomorrow. I ain't finna worry about all that.
worthy crag
ppl will do it at least 5 times a season
assuming they dont quit, doing that for 4 seasons = 1 expansion = achieve
ez
halcyon field
do you have it ?
sharp sierra
@lavish gorgei have an 80 disc and hpal, going to gear them up and learn how to play them so I can beat them
then I will become healer killer
😠
lavish gorge
God speed.
lavish gorge
<@268579661825572874>i have an 80 disc and hpal, going to gear them up and learn...
Do it. They deserve it.
fervent cobalt
@potent pivot trill went 4 set sub?
orchid plinth
Trill played 4 set and also Flag in some matches.
tiny maple
Hi. Where do I find the upcoming sub rogue changes that I hear change our cooldown reduction talent?
vague comet
you know guys, i just wanted to say that our rogue section is great
my goal wasn't to compare, but i couldnt help but notice that other class discords are not as helpful
runic trench
i think most rogues realise they suck
while other classes (cough mage players)
think theyre all r1 in the body of a 1400
its everyone elses fault
so they get more toxic in their interactions with others
rancid mist
i think most rogues realise they suck
Boy do I
Always room to improve. Always room to do better.
gusty stream
If I'm running this PvP talent, do I still need to run wound poison as assassination rogue, or should I be running deadly poison? Idk if they stack, etiher. Just curious more than anything
dim oriole
You still run wound
runic trench
it works
runic trench
Can't make me give these up
late pumice
what should I enchant my MH and OH with?
runic trench
im a rogue im illiterate but blizz
if it activates off cheap shot
why make it kidney shot
icon
gusty hedge
it’s a bug
not a bug, like alot of achievements there are multiple thresholds to complete
gusty hedge
im a rogue im illiterate but blizz
control is king
runic trench
this breakdown
must give an outlaw player a stroke
im so lost without shadowdance
you get a cheapshot
and you get a cheapshot
and you get a cheapshot
fervent cobalt
One reason I can't give up sub. On demand cheap shots
runic trench
i feel like it would be better if i had crit and my between the eyes wasnt a wet noodle
nova viper
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXO
sharp sierra
I see now why people play disc :/
halcyon field
cuz its BROKEN
sharp sierra
It's so much more chill than roog,less button pressing
But I find myself watching bars.. that is kind of boring
potent pivot
what should I enchant my MH and OH with?
Depths for outlaw, radiant power for assa/sub
late pumice
Depths for outlaw, radiant power for assa/sub
thanks man, I made the right decision then
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> trill went 4 set sub?
Yes but that doesn’t mean it’s better
potent pivot
Hi. Where do I find the upcoming sub rogue changes that I hear change our cooldo...
Google 11.0.5 anniversary patch notes or check wowhead
hidden moth
can we get dh defensive buffs
darkness is 8 yrds around dh and follows the dh. boom ez
make it a 2 min cd
make blur 100% dodge not 50% or leave it 50% and make it a 40% dr
sorry for rant
potent pivot
No no and no
lone anvil
I thought DH had the lowest first blood percentage of all classes - meaning they're the least likely to die first in arena
indigo hill
Doesn't leave allot of room for discussion if he doesn't care what anyone says.
lone anvil
Doesn't leave allot of room for discussion if he doesn't care what anyone says.
A few days ago he was telling me DHs were super tanky and ressilent, and could brawl as well as a plate wearing Warrior lol
hidden moth
nah, less defensives and self heals
unless ur running reaver but even then feels squish tbh
indigo hill
They got good defenses with blur, the immune and darkness. Not that they ever stay in their own darkness but still pretty cool to have
hidden moth
They got good defenses with blur, the immune and darkness. Not that they ever st...
lol exactly hence make it follow the dh
indigo hill
Same with priest dome. I always see people run out of it. 😂
hidden moth
bc why is the most mobile class in game cough outside of mw cough is going to have a "i must stand completly still" ability for a defensive
indigo hill
lol exactly hence make it follow the dh
Dh will probably still manage to screw that up.
hidden moth
true but it stil ldoesnt fit their class
stationarydefensive for hyper mobile class
comes down to do i sit and do 0 damage but get 50% dr or do i say f the dr and keep my kill pressure
lone anvil
hidden moth
tbh, i have harder time killing locks and hunters and mages and any evoker than dhs
indigo hill
Same here. Hunter has gotten some pretty sweet defences.
hidden moth
glad they got nerfed
lone anvil
Yeah hunters are cockroaches
hidden moth
dont even start me on spriest
lone anvil
What nerfs
lone anvil
dont even start me on spriest
I decided to level up another druid Afterall to get my right weapon
hidden moth
their wall in pve is 25% not 30% their walls heal was reduced and their heals wall was cut in half for dr and their 90% dr from feign is from 3sec duration to 2
im just giving up on dh in shuffle. i see why it is the least played class in every arena bracket
lone anvil
Dang
hidden moth
games played last 24 hours 3v3 na
lone anvil
Is that cause they're particularly weak or because a lot of their direct counters are prevalent in the meta
hidden moth
shuffle dk and dh are only ones sub 10k
both?
the dam is strong but predictable u play like hunter where u set up cc and then send goes
indigo hill
Even monk is more.
hidden moth
tank lobbies suck bro
indigo hill
Some of the match making is idiotic in blitz. Got 4 wars in my group, the other group 4 frost mages.
It was a whole game is standing in one spot.
hidden moth
It was a whole game is standing in one spot.
means its truly rng
lime oar
not a bug, like alot of achievements there are multiple thresholds to complete
Mine has been 20 from the start. No 5 threshold
gusty hedge
Mine has been 20 from the start. No 5 threshold
mine been 5 since early access, was a bit bummed when it went to 20 but its expected since the achievement wouldve been too easy to complete
hidden moth
thoughts on this list
narrow tangle
guess 11.0.5 3v meta
stoic spruce
Same here. Hunter has gotten some pretty sweet defences.
Assuming you can connect with all those CCs lol
Stg only thing it's missing is a poly
gusty hedge
4 hooks if done correctly + sprint, outlaw back to being fc runner ?
(quick caps mainly imo)
hidden moth
MW isn't above S
its p dog if ur not on a fc map
temple i would rather have a disc priest same for ab. pres out heals monk in deepwind and cart maps
@potent pivot have we seen dh get played in awc?
tribal badger
a fair chunk of dhs passive sustain is tied into its dps since its one of the most leech reliant classes isnt it
when its not doing mega dps it also suffers defensivly
it has decent active defensives but it doesnt have a ton of them and it will just die to sustain if the spec itself cant put out immense pressure
hidden moth
dunno about the prelims
if it didnt get to broadcasted games then that is all i needed to know
vague comet
does anyone know how to sync sensetivity from windows into wow? for some reason its different
hidden moth
does anyone know how to sync sensetivity from windows into wow? for some reason ...
mouse sense?
razor app
vague comet
well I can adjust it in windows
but it doesnt do anything for wow
it has its own sens for some reason
waxen meteor
thoughts on this list
lol what
Btw what is the secret tech of healing monk carrying flag
In twin peak map, they kinda fly half court with one single jump lol from alliance flag room
waxen meteor
shuffle dk and dh are only ones sub 10k
DH seems to be just not good enough, but i see mvqdh just got glad mount
on the other hand, i think ret is pretty decent now, they just don't fit in the meta very well
hidden moth
In twin peak map, they kinda fly half court with one single jump lol from allian...
idk he couldnt do it
bad mw
hidden moth
DH seems to be just not good enough, but i see mvqdh just got glad mount
mvqdh?
waxen meteor
idk he couldnt do it
i don't know what that trick is, but last night a MW literally flew from alliance flag room over the river
there was a sub rogue and sp trying to intercept him at the door ...
unluckily he flew right to my face, and he isn't a super good player in general, so he lost the flag very soon, but this is crazy movement
orchid plinth
waxen meteor
i think this will get fixed for sure..
tacit crane
is there a bug with the sparks quest?
I swear I've taken that quest thrice already on the same character..
lime oar
Yeah if you pick it up and don’t finish the quest before logging off it’ll be abandoned. Atleast that’s what’s been happening to me
tribal badger
there has been a bug where u can complete and redo the quest over and over
i had it last week on my rogue
would not recommend doing if it gives rewards more then once because blizz has been a bit eager with the bans this expac
but 🤷
hidden moth
unluckily he flew right to my face, and he isn't a super good player in general,...
yeah there is hella techs they have
hidden moth
I swear I've taken that quest thrice already on the same character..
if u log out it gets abandoned
hidden moth
i think this will get fixed for sure..
doubt considering its been a thing for a bit
hidden moth
I tried out the skill capped ui
well obvi, there skill is capped
tacit crane
That fucking sucks
hidden moth
both of the war mode quests are up in hallow fall
vocal totem
Will rupture bug ever be fixed
vocal ginkgo
I think it’s balls
why?
unique mesa
Hi. Returning sub rogue her.. Im doing almost no dmg in arena 2v2 or 3v3. I Just ding so my gear isent the greatest. Can anyone point me in a direction to learn tips and triks and the rotation? 🙂
jolly sierra
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXO
SEXOOOOOOO
gusty stream
got to 1711 in shuffle, proceeded to face the same devastation evoker twice and get ruined back down to 1650 by 
Absolute agony
worthy crag
Sub should have a good chance vs devoker
jolly sierra
got a devoker yesterday and had to fuck his match or he would get 6-0
ended w 3-3 sadly
languid ravine
Hi. Returning sub rogue her.. Im doing almost no dmg in arena 2v2 or 3v3. I Just...
Yes, always copy what olympic champions whaazz and pikaboo 100% identically, never ask questions why or how even if you are in a completely different situation as them
(only 90% sarcasm)
jolly sierra
xdddddddddddddddddddddd
who is the class president here in the thread to ask that question lol
languid ravine
top damage in my bg while 20 ilvl below honor gear and interface messed up, classic WoW experience
gusty stream
Sub should have a good chance vs devoker
Unfortunately have been playing assassination bc Ive been braindead lately
hidden dome
How the fuck did the lose this? (we are alliance)
jolly sierra
ive seen something dirty af in a twin peaks
gusty hedge
How the fuck did the lose this? (we are alliance)
last cap wins.
jolly sierra
and was inmune to snares
hidden dome
What fucking idiot at blizzard makes the rules
hidden dome
last cap wins.
Is WSG and Twin peaks different? I remember having a tie at 2 - 2 this season
where everyone got 0 rating
potent pivot
ive seen something dirty af in a twin peaks
you mean the mistweaver flying thing they've been doing for a while now?
or something different
gusty hedge
Is WSG and Twin peaks different? I remember having a tie at 2 - 2 this season
same in every ctf mode. Can clutch wins if cap last and tie with enemy if ur team was down
jolly sierra
you mean the mistweaver flying thing they've been doing for a while now?
idk
but was disgusting
was lit like a evoker
hidden dome
same in every ctf mode. Can clutch wins if cap last and tie with enemy if ur tea...
God I honestly 100% hope
hidden dome
that whoever made that no longer works on the game
potent pivot
#pvp message
this?
jolly sierra
someone post a video of it earlier
are u sure they wont nerf it?
hidden dome
That actually has to be the dumbest rule I have ever heard
potent pivot
it's been happening for weeks
potent pivot
are u sure they wont nerf it?
idk personally i think they should/will
potent pivot
it's basically caused every sub rogue to duo queue with a mw
if they are high rated
gusty hedge
so thats whats been sending me flying in thr air in bgs lol
jolly sierra
that is depressing
potent pivot
so thats whats been sending me flying in thr air in bgs lol
naw it's the mw that flies
you might be talking about the monk knock up + shaman knockback
that combo will send you flying
it's kinda disgusting
gusty hedge
yeah probably that got sent flying a few times felt like i had slow fall on . Good comp in eots
potent pivot
yeah prolly knock up+knock back
it's annoying af in arena as well
but requires decent coordination from the monk/sham
graceful ravine
Is WSG and Twin peaks different? I remember having a tie at 2 - 2 this season
It’s been like this for at least 4 years
languid ravine
why do you hate on last flag wins?
first flag also has its benefits like only needing to defend or having more time for a follow up etc
hidden dome
Idk, I don't find it that hard to get the flag across
with monks going faster than a bullet
And then it turns into a "which fc dies first"
and before your team is back to defend after your cap
the efc is already on his half again
especially if you play twin peaks where horde has a massive advantage if they got a monk heal
hidden dome
I'm asking for nerfs for the crappy rogue known as feral
I don't think I ever enjoyed a season where feral is meta
languid ravine
I just deleted three quests before my questlog wasnt full anymore
why is max quests still the same as 10 years ago
why is YuGiOh max HP still 8000 like 20 years ago
languid ravine
apparently not by enough that I would notice xd
worthy crag
first flag also has its benefits like only needing to defend or having more time...
Scoring the first flag and then committing to pure defense is the biggest throw imo
The stacking flag debuff eventually makes it impossible to keep the fc alive even if all 10 are defending, and then once they die its a cap
unless you got the first cap at like 3 min remaining
languid ravine
dont forget you can also commit everything to killing enemy flag carrier on the flipside as a form of defense
cuts both ways which is why my point still stands as I would say
runic trench
2 and hold is reasonable
But just go for the 3 cap
Makes no sense not to
You attempting to cap and holding the flag is a form of defence too
swift smelt
I thought DH had the lowest first blood percentage of all classes - meaning they...
what site shows this?
stoic spruce
3 cap depends on the time left.
safe turret
Outlaw use tier at all? what % haste are most aiming for? seems most top outlaw rogues are just using their sub mastery gear
gusty hedge
When the recommended haste is 10 -15% from gear is that unbuffed stats or when in pvp combat?
gusty hedge
Outlaw use tier at all? what % haste are most aiming for? seems most top outlaw ...
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
gusty hedge
yes 4pc
potent pivot
When the recommended haste is 10 -15% from gear is that unbuffed stats or when i...
when in pvp combat, but unbuffed
so strictly from your gear but with pvp scaling
stoic spruce
Outlaw use tier at all? what % haste are most aiming for? seems most top outlaw ...
Some outlaw are going a bit heavier on mastery
gusty hedge
so strictly from your gear but with pvp scaling
going for haste/vers on this rogue , this haste should be around where i want it or still too much? one in combat/ other non scaled ( no take by suprise)
pants removed atm crafted no tier, haste should look liek this with full tier set
potent pivot
going for haste/vers on this rogue , this haste should be around where i want i...
you want 10-15% in pvp combat
like go auto attack the pvp dummy
without stealth or any abilities
gusty hedge
you want 10-15% in pvp combat
ok bet ! thank you 
stoic spruce
I got 10-15% outside of pvp combat by accident
I forgor it scaled up when I was gearing lol
lavish gorge
Do we got a crafting order for pvp?
Also, are we generally just running double duskthread?
Or is elemental lens viable with gems?
stoic spruce
Trickz
lavish gorge
Don't ya's need one socketed for it to work tho?
lavish gorge
Ah yeah makes sense.
potent pivot
just changes the dmg type
potent pivot
So lens + duskthread it is
can just do 2x lens
stoic spruce
I'd gladly sacrifice Step for new ER
potent pivot
ohhhh no kidding?
ye
potent pivot
ah
surreal barn
😂
stoic spruce
The patch that killed 3s and 2s
lavish gorge
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
hidden moth
To my knowledge this isn’t going to be active in rated just normal bgs epic bgs and world PvP
hidden moth
Would be broken in blitz
surreal barn
Grand Marshal Powerchair might be back in action
hidden moth
Ret already is a tier in blitz these changes just gonna be df s1 2.0
stoic spruce
@potent pivot on a scale of 1-10, how good does it feel to BF and get max CP?
potent pivot
its w/e
stoic spruce
THATS NOT A FUCKIN NUMBER
languid ravine
this is just another reason for Paladins to hate Rogues, which they dont even need because Paladins hate for no reason
halcyon timber
Eye for an eye returning and affecting all damage types will be nasty for them along with 10% less duration to stuns. They will still find a way to say they need x y z
hidden moth
Eye for an eye returning and affecting all damage types will be nasty for them a...
Pony gives freedom reduces cd of movement ability’s of alllies and make ur blessings heal
Rip lock and dk bc aoe turn evil and no cd rep
That’s fine just nerf blinding light. Either make it 3 sec or trunketable
waxen meteor
lol
halcyon timber
interesting move.
waxen meteor
blitz fix needs to come soon
got a 2400 blitz mmr game
4 rogues on my side
pfff
course we lose
hidden moth
That means it’s random
Just gotta look at the population of each class in each bracket of ladder play. Ofc the higher u go ur gonna see more mw pres evokers and rogues on avg
long shore
When did kidney become 30seconds?!
Was wondering why the CD taking forever
And max stun duration is still 5 seconds in PvP ?
stoic spruce
A few weeks ago
solid wharf
If I have hero and champion track pve tier should I just get rid of tier for the extra stats from pvp gear?
waxen meteor
That means it’s random
yeah, i think from 11.0.5 they will do some class/spec cap
basically i think like solo shuffle avoid
lime oar
Lmao how so
vague comet
i asked like 5 questions in a span of several days
got ignored for 4 of them
one of the questions was regarding macro
and when one of my questions was getting answered, "no wonder noone answered you, you are trying to automate the class" or some shit like that
lime oar
Feral players are weird
hidden moth
When did kidney become 30seconds?!
11.0.0 kidney was a 30 second but it’s a 6 second stun
velvet lichen
So
hidden moth
If I have hero and champion track pve tier should I just get rid of tier for the...
Depends
hidden moth
basically i think like solo shuffle avoid
Huh? I’ve seen 4 hunters in a shuffle lobby before
hidden moth
whose the winner and looser
W assa
hidden moth
Feral players are weird
Furry* Furry players are weird
long shore
11.0.0 kidney was a 30 second but it’s a 6 second stun
ahhh okay thats fine then. they reverted it back to 6 seconds
waxen meteor
Huh? I’ve seen 4 hunters in a shuffle lobby before
will
hexed crow
Whats the best burst build for sub these days? trickster or deathstalker
lucid citrus
Whats the best burst build for sub these days? trickster or deathstalker
Deathstalker
dusty slate
hows sub looking with 11.0.5?
stoic spruce
Anyone play Outlaw/Unholy?
dusty slate
Could this be the meta?
graceful ravine
god i hope not
graceful ravine
7 flag returns, my back hurts from carrying this game
indigo hill
I've had thise type of games and people still complain cause you didn't do as much damage as them. 😂
stoic spruce
I bring up damage when there's no flag returns or captures
Like
Wtf were you doing
Subs rogues have no idea that the only thing protecting them from me strangling them is a computer screen.
No base captures, fine. But do dam in team fight at least.
hidden moth
No base captures, fine. But do dam in team fight *at least*.
Does sub even add to a team fight outside of tab target cheap shots lol
Damage done really doesn’t matter just check details and see damage done and damage done to which target. I would rather see a 100 mil damage done to efc rogue vs our other 5 dps with 200+ mil each but to random ass hunter pets
wanton breach
dueling a healer can be insanely annoying for the enemy team
stoic spruce
I know it doesn't matter but if you have shitty damage and no flag returns, I don't want to hear any shit talking.
One or the other
Otherwise shut your mouth
worthy crag
uhhh huh
hidden moth
One or the other
Nah, u can have 0 damage and keep the mw sap/stun spammed In their gy all game in wsg/tp
stoic spruce
While someone else caps flag?
indigo hill
No base captures, fine. But do dam in team fight *at least*.
What kind of a rogue doesn't steal bases.
hard compass
with this stat breakdown out of combat for sub, should I be looking at mastery on rings or versa?
lyric onyx
hidden moth
While someone else caps flag?
If I have effectively traded 1 dps for their healer and main fc. How does the other 7 teammates not kill the other people that can carry? Unless u have 2x mw on other team in the lobby, you are looking at a fc who is weaker than the one they have been using and an fc getting half the healing potential and cd’s bc their monk is out of the fight
No cocoon, no leg sweep/ rop/ paralysis for peels, no tiger lust. No restoral
hidden moth
with this stat breakdown out of combat for sub, should I be looking at mastery o...
Is this “out of combat” with PvP ilvl or without PvP ilvl
ionic crown
will sub dead soon?
lyric onyx
No
hidden moth
will sub dead soon?
Only if u can’t adapt
ionic crown
then will be better? or same as now
vocal totem
Anyone have problem with rupture, rupture breaks stealth
lyric onyx
It’s not rupture it’s corrupt the blood from death stalker hero talent
Blizz fucked up with combat tagging on a lot of the new hero talents
hidden moth
then will be better? or same as now
Dunno
hidden moth
It’s not rupture it’s corrupt the blood from death stalker hero talent
No it’s singular focus not corrupt the blood
hidden moth
Adding to this, corrupt the blood is just a damage increase to ur active rupture. Where singular focus makes any damage u do to non-marked enemies has 5% of it duplicated to your marked target
wintry dew
Guys, totally PvP related:
- either join or vote for #1262437829150113855
lyric onyx
No it’s singular focus not corrupt the blood
My mistake
Thought it was corrupt the blood dot
vocal totem
can we do somethin with this bug, mass report or ?
hidden moth
can we do somethin with this bug, mass report or ?
lol
Wait for em to fix it and the other bugs like pally poping wings pulling us out of stealth
hidden moth
Throw glaive not throwing a glaive at a stealthed target that you see with demon sight, but pulling them out of stealth and you out of sight as a dh has been bugged since df
It’s supposed to throw glaive, or ur attack u use hits them as normal instead they just get unstealth and u lose ur sight
runic trench
whats the point of pvp gear is pve players can also get 639 ilvl in pvp combat by just upgrading their pve gear
while also clearing pve content easily
like in full pvp gear i have no advantage pvp compared to a full pve geared player
topaz bobcat
anyone tried sub on ptr ?
topaz bobcat
whats the point of pvp gear is pve players can also get 639 ilvl in pvp combat b...
You are welcome to do so too. Don't get this complaint
topaz bobcat
u need 0 skill to get fully geared in pvp
runic trench
so being easy means it shouldnt be superior in the one thing it does?
topaz bobcat
this is the most stupid argument/discussion I've ever seen in this channel
runic trench
you have done nothing to refute my argument only personal attacks
do you have any reason why pve gear is equal to pvp gear in pvp combat
lone anvil
Guys, totally PvP related:
- either join or vote for <#1262437829150113855>
There's a suspicious amount of non-rogue transmogs for a transmog competition in a rogue discord lol
lone anvil
do you have any reason why pve gear is equal to pvp gear in pvp combat
Yeah idk. It seems odd. Im not against people using PvE gear in PvP. Personally I think it's fine. And should be viable.
There used to be a tradeoff. Because all PvP gear had resillence which was the pvp stat. And PvE gear had hit rating and no resilience. So you had tp sacrifice survivability to play PvE gear.
But now that versatility is the pvp stat and it's on PvP and PvE gear I guess there isn't really any sort of trade off is there
hidden moth
whats the point of pvp gear is pve players can also get 639 ilvl in pvp combat b...
Bc you need to legit do the hardest pve content
wintry dew
There's a suspicious amount of non-rogue transmogs for a transmog competition in...
We allowed it yeah, and that's fine
lone anvil
We allowed it yeah, and that's fine
That's fine. They're just not getting my votes LMAO id join a paladin discord for the paladin mogs
Im here for my fellow boys. For the rogues
channels inner DMX WHERE MY DAWGS
hidden moth
Also u want vers for pvp on almost every piece if not every piece so pve gear that doesn’t give full versa. Also some special effects that rings might have in pve get nerfed for pvp like the fist weapon effect from the raid.
lone anvil
Also u want vers for pvp on almost every piece if not every piece so pve gear th...
R druids run like 18%-20% vers and use a lot of haste/mastery pieces even for pvp
hidden moth
It brings it down from what wotlk classic was where u raced through heroic raid gdkps to buy ur bis pvp gear which was legit 1-2 pvp off pieces pvp 4 set and the rest of the gear even 2 trinkets was from heroic pve content
lone anvil
Because rDruids have cracked mastery and want to hit 22% haste and stats are low rn
hidden moth
R druids run like 18%-20% vers and use a lot of haste/mastery pieces even for pv...
Sure but thats why i said most pieces if not all ( esp with it being s1 and low secondary stat values to begin with) have vers implying some classes are diff and u can just craft gear if u want other stats outside of vers
wintry dew
*channels inner DMX* WHERE MY DAWGS
(wait until you understand that many people are just regulars that don't even play rogue)
wintry dew
A perfect example is Koffing, a shadow. He's a feral druid ahhaahah
hard compass
Is this “out of combat” with PvP ilvl or without PvP ilvl
Sorry, this is with pvp scaling
hidden moth
Sorry, this is with pvp scaling
im not sure on sub stats and if ur at the point ur getitng stat dr on either @potent pivot may enlighten us
slender bay
anyone tried sub on ptr ?
Interested in this
rocky vale
how does a WW monk do 4 million dmg to me in a stun while disarmed?
hidden moth
most of their attacks dont require a weapon
rocky vale
yeah that's bullshit
hidden moth
why do i need a stick to hit u with palms
hidden moth
i mean alot of classes have abilitys they can use while disarmed
u can kidney while disarmed
rocky vale
yeah but I wont oneshot someone while disarmed xd
hidden moth
also if its their clones technically u didnt disarm them
u disarmed the monk not the 2 shadowclones
rocky vale
can u dodge monk stun with evasion btw?
rocky vale
ofc not
lone anvil
how does a WW monk do 4 million dmg to me in a stun while disarmed?
I hate fighting those weird rogues
austere thorn
can u dodge monk stun with evasion btw?
Yes
As long as he is not behind you
rocky vale
Yes
As long as he is not behind you
well know I dont know which is true
stoic spruce
You can dodge fof
hidden moth
You can dodge fof
talking about leg sweep
austere thorn
well know I dont know which is true
Sweep is physical you can dodge it with evasion, yes
hard compass
what is it with priests in shuffle RACING to combat tag the enemy healer so I can't sap the openm
it's like their life depends on it
runic trench
or you sap and your team is hugging the pillar for the duration of sap
lime oar
is this opener right? as why doesnt sepsis give me full points?
I pointed out months ago with video proof as well that sepsis doesn’t give full CP with blades up. Submitted a ticket and everything.
hard compass
or you sap and your team is hugging the pillar for the duration of sap
truth
stoic spruce
@potent pivot listen
I'm not memeing when I say that thinking about pre DF S3 outlaw helps me sleep
I am so sick of crackshot its literally all I think about lol
Nighty night @jolly sierra
hidden moth
it's like their life depends on it
it does
in shuffle as a healer ur job is to keep ur team alive, and fuck the enemies cc chains
as a disc priest main, nothing brings me more joy than knowing a rogue cant get a free 6 second cc on me that allows his teammates to position and follow up with other cc like cyclones stuns rep sheep etc
indigo hill
how does a WW monk do 4 million dmg to me in a stun while disarmed?
Pets or that scratchy shit they do. Also why stun and disarm?
hidden moth
I also get a little boost of dopamine anytime i fade a hoj,cyclone. And a Big dose of Dopamine when i death a rep or poly
hidden moth
Pets or that scratchy shit they do. Also why stun and disarm?
the rogue player is stuned and the monk is disarmed while still running a train on the rogue
indigo hill
Ah OK...why disarm a monk?
hidden moth
^
hidden moth
idek, tbh i dont think disarm stops fof since its "fists" of which being disarmed means nothing bc u dont need a weapon to punch
why disarm would stop anything monk has is beyond me since they are all punches and kicks with no real weapon attacks
indigo hill
If i remember correctly they need 2 1h weapons to do fof. Rest can still be used while disarmed.
hidden moth
i c
hidden moth
I also get a little boost of dopamine anytime i fade a hoj,cyclone. And a Big do...
Speaking of, Shout out to a shuffle lobby day 2 of season where their frost mage and Hpally went for rep and sheep on me at the same time but with 1 second delay on the rep. i waited until the last second of that sheep cast to death. and when the death backlash hit me i was in sheep and rep and it broke both xD. Freest round of shuffle ever
rocky vale
Ah OK...why disarm a monk?
Because I havent played in a while, and the last time I had disarm as a rogue monks werent a thing and I assumed disarm would affect a weapon wielding melee :p
indigo hill
It happens. 😁
gusty hedge
no wonder monks and some dks laugh at me when i disarm them 💯
hidden moth
no wonder monks and some dks laugh at me when i disarm them 💯
yeah, dk dont need wep for coil/diseases and im psure they dont need it for clawing shadows since that makes scourge strike 30 yrd range and full shadow damage.
legit only need it for festering strike to apply wounds but even then their pets can apply those as well. oh and uh assault+ apoc
now if u wanna big disarm. Hit the mm hunter with it when he pops true shot
potent pivot
no wonder monks and some dks laugh at me when i disarm them 💯
You disarm DKs when they’re dying
So they can’t death strike
candid tide
im swinging from 1700 to 1600 everyday in shuffle
hard compass
as a disc priest main, nothing brings me more joy than knowing a rogue cant get ...
the rogue is on ur team
topaz bobcat
Out law is the giga Chad spec for 2s 👀
not really, sample too low
it's below average imo
fact that it has a higher win rate than feral should tell u the data is bad
warped gate
Bro, how are Monks cucking my abilities, even when they're not using Fists of Fury?
gusty hedge
You disarm DKs when they’re dying
yeah i got the juice on that now xD best use or im dead dead
i still full send on most fights spray and pray
warped gate
I gotta Killing Spree to save myself but the Monk goes, "No."
gusty hedge
Out law is the giga Chad spec for 2s 👀
outlaw was considered the Duel spec or best spec to 1v1, not sure if thats still the case 😛 outlaw can pump in 2's as one less target to worry about(i havent done 2's or taken arena seriously in years )
hidden dome
Did they do something to the Blitz BG rotation?
I geared my monk after seeing them fly.
Now I played 25 blitz games, I got 2 WSG and 0 Twin Peaks 
lone anvil
Idk I get the map where you hold the four orbs like 50% of the time on my rogue.
But on my druid I always get WSG and Twin Peaks ...idk if it's random but it doesn't feel random
safe pelican
Are we feral yet ?
hidden dome
Idk I get the map where you hold the four orbs like 50% of the time on my rogue....
Not getting a single Twin peaks in 25 games is a ~2% chance, not impossible that I'm that unlucky, but certainly suspicious
Add to that the only 2 WSG games in the same timeframe and I either have a less than 1% chance bad luck streak (possible)
or something else is going on
lone anvil
Not getting a single Twin peaks in 25 games is a ~2% chance, not impossible that...
Cats
surreal barn
My blitz selection has been very diverse
hidden dome
Same, on my rogue and mage they were mostly even
But with my heal I just want to go fast
and I never get to go fast 😦
surreal barn
What’s your mmr
hidden dome
on my heal I'm at around 1.5 rn
surreal barn
Hmm
hidden dome
the other 2 are already above 1.8
surreal barn
I have an alt I haven’t done yet - might could group to see if your luck changes
hidden dome
Are you EU?
surreal barn
No.
hidden dome
Ah damn. But thanks for the offer 🙂
cobalt pewter
Are you EU?
🇺🇸🫡🦅
thorny sable
Hello, Noob question. I looked on Murlok and saw that nobody takes Kingsbane. Is it bad in PVP? Thank you.
lime oar
it just doesnt hit hard enough to be worth. SBS helps the opener go much easier
minor bolt
solid wharf
Sorry for the repeat question…someone said “it depends” whenever I asked if it’s worth switching to pvp only gear and losing set if I have a mix of champion and hero track gear - what would that depend on? The ilvl of my pve set pieces are currently lower than that of honor gear
vague comet
anyone got a WA for HP bar under the character? (the default one is too big)
lone anvil
Meow
wintry axle
whats the state of outlaw pvp compared to otehrs?
orchid plinth
whats the state of outlaw pvp compared to otehrs?
Being played in AWC right now now 
https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft
wintry axle
cool, I miss playing it and im back to rogue after a big break
sub doesnt fit me, lol
and the changes coming to sub seems so devastating
potent pivot
Sorry for the repeat question…someone said “it depends” whenever I asked if it’s...
not worth
jolly sierra
Nighty night <@239851547935113216>
what what
jolly sierra
here is in afternoon lol
lyric onyx
Local rogue discovers time zones
nova viper
@jolly sierra seeeeeeeeeeeeeexo
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216> seeeeeeeeeeeeeexo
SEXOOOOOOOO
lone anvil
https://youtu.be/9CANpZ0V2ZA?si=sc_-Fz7Rs5sfpNGW
Someone smarter than me explain how significant the echoing reprimand changes are going to be for assassination. And explain it to me like I'm 5 (mentally I am 5)
tender ember
delicate patrol
Is sub cooked next week?
lone anvil
Is sub cooked next week?
I like my subs toasted
potent pivot
Is sub cooked next week?
I think it’ll be fine
The burst seems even bigger than it is now
Some mid level sub rogues may suffer getting used to no CDR on defensives
halcyon spoke
Anyone else having issue capping a flag with kidney shot? Right before I get the cap something is always interrupting it at the last second
Playing deathstalker sub if it means anything. I know I’m not getting hit by anyone when it happens. It’s been happening everytime
vocal ginkgo
Bis wep for outlaw?? I still have a leftover wep token and wanna start getting some outlaw gear
This one?
wintry axle
go axe
velvet lichen
Is sub cooked next week?
I hope so
I just personally don’t like sub. It’s too scripted.
ocean delta
does anyone have a recommendation for pvp video guides against 1v1 classes for rogue?
potent pivot
there's barely any video guides worth trusting in general
i kinda doubt there's any 1v1 guides
jolly sierra
no, there are not
lone anvil
there's barely any video guides worth trusting in general
With the exception of Shrek 2
ocean delta
le sad face
lone anvil
le sad face
So I'm the last rogue in this discord you should be taking advice from.
Use kingsbane. If you're fighting a warrior, rogue or hunter use disarm. Try and use defensive cooldowns while they're using offensive ones. Then you can vanish open, pop CDs and train.
Also a strat if you're assassination is putting up all your bleeds and just stealth and wait and waste time while they slowly die.
Worst case scenario if you start losing, blind them and sprint away until they give up chasing and then when they do you start T bagging on spot
And remember.....
if you can't beat them you can always hurt their feelings with a salty whisper
broken otter
So I'm the last rogue in this discord you should be taking advice from.
LIES!
That would be me.
jolly sierra
nah there are worse ones
candid tide
does anyone have a recommendation for pvp video guides against 1v1 classes for r...
I leveled up all chars for this
Maybe skillcapped have some stuff but its kinda expensive paying monthly sub only
fervent cobalt
Its just not cool man...
potent pivot
fervent cobalt
Yo anyone got a WA for tracking DRs on you?
potent pivot
Yo anyone got a WA for tracking DRs on you?
your own DRs? one of the addons has an option for it
fervent cobalt
I use Teaa
potent pivot
idr but i think it's Diminish
fervent cobalt
okay
hard compass
Which talent in sub is breaking my own steal from 100yds away in bgb
potent pivot
Which talent in sub is breaking my own steal from 100yds away in bgb
it isn't a rogue doing that
hidden moth
Which talent in sub is breaking my own steal from 100yds away in bgb
Death stalker, singular focus
potent pivot
Death stalker, singular focus
not necessarily
hard compass
I'm literally walking out of GY with nobody around and my stealth is breaking
potent pivot
yeah sounds like a different class bug entirely
nova viper
nah there are worse ones
Si si toro
potent pivot
I'm literally walking out of GY with nobody around and my stealth is breaking
check out that post
there's a few things that break stealth from big distances
hard compass
its like trying to exist in ashran with OG Starfall
potent pivot
Deathstalker talent Singular Focus also breaks stealth, but it sounds like you're describing one of the other class' bugs
hard compass
thanks for sharing, guess there's nothing i can do
potent pivot
all we can do is report that the abilities in that post are breaking stealth from large distances away
the more people that report it the better
hard compass
via forums or bug tickets
potent pivot
in game support ticket is probably the best, but posting on the forums helps too i think
hard compass
will do o7
hidden moth
yeah sounds like a different class bug entirely
Not I marked someone rupture on someone else and singular focus is now causing the rupture to damage the mark target and is putting me in combat
potent pivot
will do o7
nova viper
Now i know why i suck on rogue
potent pivot
Now i know why i suck on rogue <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Because everything else is brain dead easy and better?
potent pivot
Like I can sorta respect feral being good, because it isn’t brain dead easy
Still a little too good atm though
nova viper
True
potent pivot
Same goes for mage, it has a decently high skill ceiling
hard compass
Who would you recommend for good rogue duel videos, if anyone? I wanna learn matchups, and when to disengage/re-engage
potent pivot
But I swear when I play anything else the game is on easy mode
nova viper
Who would you recommend for good rogue duel videos, if anyone? I wanna learn mat...
Pikaboo
potent pivot
Who would you recommend for good rogue duel videos, if anyone? I wanna learn mat...
I don’t think there’s a lot of 1v1 content. If I were you I’d focus on learning 3v3/shuffle
Learn BGs if you want too
Specifically learning 1v1 just seems odd
hard compass
historically I watcha lot of Xar/Pika/Nahj - I started watching some Avi for bg stuff this week
nova viper
Pshero now play a lot of retail pvp
hybrid rapids
Almost nobody wants to duel you as a rogue, or at least that's my experience
nova viper
Cuz rogue is pain in ass in duel
hard compass
thanks gang
potent pivot
historically I watcha lot of Xar/Pika/Nahj - I started watching some Avi for bg ...
Kalvish, whaazz, there’s quite a few rogues that stream
hard compass
Kalvish, whaazz, there’s quite a few rogues that stream
I've been sad this week watching everyone reroll cat
nova viper
Good i reroll on mage
hidden moth
Because everything else is brain dead easy and better?
Dh takes skill. More skill than assa imo. Same for lock. But that’s bc their difficulty isn’t exactly rotation. Dh has a bit of interesting stuff for rotation though. It’s mostly defensives and cc
Timing ur sigil of misery perfectly with cage etc
potent pivot
hidden moth
Positioning so u get the 5 second stun
potent pivot
DH feels insanely easy imo
hidden moth
Trying to hit 1800 in shuffle on it was harder than rogue by a mile for me and I got s2 s3 and s4 1800 on dh in df vs not playing rogue till war within
jolly sierra
Si si toro
si, me for example
potent pivot
idk legit all melee feel easier to farm rating on than rogue to me
jolly sierra
remember season is still a little deflated atm
hidden moth
Rouge is the only thing I didn’t have to battle through mmr hell on in blitz either
jolly sierra
so its fine if u have 1k8 rn
hidden moth
so its fine if u have 1k8 rn
Yeah but there is so few dh players vs any other class in pvp rn
hidden moth
Na shuffle games played per class in last 24 hours
jolly sierra
fkn rets
hidden moth
even saw it in AWC today
We finally did?
In a streamed game? Not a prelim?
This is still morning to me so not sure what all happened in awc
potent pivot
We finally did?
potent pivot
i think they only pulled out dh because they didn't want to mirror match again
potent pivot
i guess they thought they'd keep losing
potent pivot
idr but i'm pretty sure they lost the series
fuseton is a pretty well known ww/dh player
jolly sierra
Famous distance class
midrange flying warriors
potent pivot
hidden moth
Interesting, legit only know of ace and trenacetate
potent pivot
you don't know Mvq?
hidden moth
No
potent pivot
_>
hidden moth
Legit only those 2 people do I ever see making YouTube/ stream content for guides
potent pivot
mvq is probably the best dh in the world
hidden moth
Does he stream?
hybrid rapids
Only dh glad atm
stoic spruce
Not me trying again to see
candid tide
Just watched some mvq stream
hidden moth
/poll is NoTrickz based for messing with “Rest in peace ER”
stoic spruce
A vote for not outlaw is a vote wasted
broken otter
Subtlety represent
hybrid rapids
"feral"
broken otter
Haha yeah I lol'd
hidden moth
"feral" <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Waiting for @lone anvil to cast his vote for the cat
runic trench
Fav rogue spec is sitting in dornogal waiting for solo shuffle
Will you guys be trying out that new echoing talent?
Now that it procs off mark?
If I’m reading it right, you just have to consume the special point? Not land on it?
nova viper
A vote for not outlaw is a vote wasted
Who play outlaw lolololo
stoic spruce
Normal people
lone anvil
Waiting for <@1233133880819712010> to cast his vote for the cat
I haven't played feral haha, but cats are S tier
Im leveling up a second druid right now that's feral, I'll let you know if I like it better
I will say instant cast regrowths while in cat form seems insane.
hidden moth
Will you guys be trying out that new echoing talent?
That sounds good but I think the subterfuge buff+ vanish charge and tea will be more important
For PvP at least
lavish gorge
Float like a butterfly vs sting like a bee, preference?
pliant mauve
Anyone else getting this deathstalkers mark buff where isn’t applying or in some cases only works once and never reapplies?
Bug* not buff
hidden moth
Anyone else getting this deathstalkers mark buff where isn’t applying or in some...
U apply with ambush, then when u use 5+ combo point finishers that hit the target, (ct, garrote, kidney, envenom) a stack is used. When all 3 are used you get a buff for 30 seconds. That buff makes the next max combo point envenom, meaning 5/5 6/6 7/7 combo points depending on what ur max is. Will do 60% more damage guarantee crit and apply 3 more attacks of deathstalker mark
If u do not use a 7 point envenom in that 30 second window you will have to use ambush to apply it again.
You get the 30 second buff if you
A. Use all 3 mark charges
B. The target with mark dies with at least 1 stack.
pliant mauve
That’s the problem. It isn’t applying from ambush. Even after vanishing. Noticed once in SS and then after I went to the target dummy and it happened again. Third time it went back to proccing like normal.
hidden moth
Do note that if you have the 30 second buff then apply mark to the target. And have 3/3 stacks. If you use the 7/7 combos for the envenom proc, you will use 1 stack of mark and be back to 3 as the envenom reapplied it. So if u have the proc and can land 7/7 combo envenom before the proc is gone. I advice you to not ambush and just use the proc
Do u have subterfuge?
pliant mauve
Yeah
hidden moth
And you just hit 1 ambush yeah?
pliant mauve
Yeah. Right from the opener
hidden moth
You didn’t hit multipul things with ambush?
hidden moth
Are u sub or assa
pliant mauve
Assa
hidden moth
With subterfuge
pliant mauve
Yeah
hidden moth
PvP opener should be (cheap, garrote, ambush, rupture, cheap)
pliant mauve
Played it a lot this season. This is the first time I’ve noticed it happen.
pliant mauve
Yeah that’s what I was hoping lol but whatever
hidden moth
Tricks might be able to help. He is more knowledgeable than I am
But with subterfuge u don’t have to instantly ambush to apply mark. As long as you get it out before you spend cp’s ur fine
U don’t take subterfuge in pve that’s why ambush has to be first gcd for pve content
stoic spruce
Tricks might be able to help. He is more knowledgeable than I am
That's not a high bar
Sorry that was mean
hidden moth
That's not a high bar
I picked up rogue this season so I’m not claiming to know everything xD
stoic spruce
Would be funnier if you did
hidden moth
Just bc I’m good behind the controls doesn’t mean I’m gonna know the back end details
hidden moth
Would be funnier if you did
I did look at my check PvP
Oh you mean funnier if I did pretend to know everything
waxen meteor
man, this blitz mmr needs to be fixed asap
1800 mmr game is literally like playing iq20 people
and i have no clue after winning a 2300 mmr game i will enter a 1800 mmr game
hidden moth
and i have no clue after winning a 2300 mmr game i will enter a 1800 mmr game
The mmr is lobby based. You could be personal mmr of 1950 and got thrown in a high avg mmr lobby and after u are in a bit lower avg mmr lobby
waxen meteor
The mmr is lobby based. You could be personal mmr of 1950 and got thrown in a hi...
that's not an obeservation true, but it's not a reason
hidden moth
We can see personal mmr in blitz on TUESDAY
waxen meteor
like you solo shuffle you can also be 2400 mmr, but you don't enter a 1800 game
hidden moth
like you solo shuffle you can also be 2400 mmr, but you don't enter a 1800 game
I see people who go 6-0 game one at 1400 mmr and then be in my 1900 mmr shuffle lobby and go 0-6 bc they get shut out so hard
waxen meteor
if you are a personal 1800 mmr, you don't enter a group average 2400 game
waxen meteor
I see people who go 6-0 game one at 1400 mmr and then be in my 1900 mmr shuffle ...
that's completely different
hidden moth
U said 2300
hidden moth
And u can’t know ur personal mmr
hidden moth
It does, bc if ur in between the two at 1950-2k mmr personal you may be put in a lobby with 1800 mmr people or 2300 mmr people you will either be on high or low end of ur lobby avg.
waxen meteor
every class/spec, when i started fresh from 1500, if my first game ends up 60, my next is 1960 ish
that's placement game
basciallly decide your mmr
hidden moth
If ur mmr is 2k and ur put in 1800 lobby what’s the issue should be easy win
waxen meteor
once your mmr is stable
you don't get dramatic changes anymore
even if you 6-0 or 0-6
it's less than 100 mmr change
where in blitz, you get +- 500 game out of no where
hidden moth
Ye but it still sucks for healers at 1960 when that dps goes there game 2 and goes 0-6 bc there isn’t any way for the heals to not go 3-3
waxen meteor
you do have less common games with lower mmr healers in solo shuffle because there are simply no healers...
queueing
hidden moth
Yeah bc u can see ur mmr in shuffle not in blitz. Blitz shows lobby mmr and its easier to find 6 people who are close to each others mmr than it is 16
waxen meteor
and yeah, normally the game suck
waxen meteor
Yeah bc u can see ur mmr in shuffle not in blitz. Blitz shows lobby mmr and its ...
it's a wrong statement friend.
true that we cannot see own MMR.
but as said, regardless of yourr MMR, if you are 1800, you shouldn't be in 2300 games; if you are 2300 you shouldn't be in 1800 games.
especially if you are 2300, and you are in 1800 game, then it means there are someone like 1300 mmr
to make the average 1800
that's worse
hidden moth
it's a wrong statement friend.
true that we cannot see own MMR.
but as said, reg...
But in actuality you arnt 2300 or 1800 you are around 2-2.1k so it’s between the two avg values
waxen meteor
But in actuality you arnt 2300 or 1800 you are around 2-2.1k so it’s between the...
it's totally correct if i only played 2 games...
hidden moth
7 people with 1800 mmr and 1 with 2100 puts lobby avg 1837.5 mmr
waxen meteor
but the reality was more like 2200/2300/2200/2300 and wins.. then 1800
hidden moth
So u don’t have a 1300 player in ur game
hidden moth
Could be trying to keep que times lower
Did you skip statistics in highschool? How do we not know what averages are
waxen meteor
dude, if you try to teach me math/stat, you probably teaching wrong person.
yes, if it's truly everybody else is 1800, with a 2100 person, the average lobby is 18xx. but as i stated, a 2100 person shouldn't be there
that's the whole point
and the entire reason MMR exists is to avoid people getting placed in a group that he/she is the outlier
better side or worse side, doesn't matter
potent pivot
Anyone else getting this deathstalkers mark buff where isn’t applying or in some...
You have to consume Darkest Night before it will re apply
Very simple
Unless you re ambush someone
potent pivot
U apply with ambush, then when u use 5+ combo point finishers that hit the targe...
20% more damage
hidden moth
20% more damage
Darkest night is only 20% in pvp?
potent pivot
Mhm
hidden moth
and the entire reason MMR exists is to avoid people getting placed in a group th...
That’s valid but at that point I think it comes down to (perfect lobby mmr balance) vs (long ass que time)
hidden moth
Mhm
No wonder it feels like a limp noodle cries
Not a limp noodle as in no damage but the damage buff on the crit envenom didn’t feel that big
lavish gorge
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
waxen meteor
game1 - somehow 1800 lobby with blood dk never taking orb
game2 - i don't know why but nobody taking orb, in the end 2 rogues have to carring orb
game 3 - 3 rogue + 1 feral + 1 hunter, 5 stealth game
lavish gorge
hmm. In terms of simple 1 vs 1 potential, which spec are we generally best performing at that?
waxen meteor
hmm. In terms of simple 1 vs 1 potential, which spec are we generally best perf...
sub always
lavish gorge
What would be the best way to counter assa as outlaw?
hidden moth
Big cloak
hidden moth
No u just
Play it like a normal rogue 1v1 but cloaking their bleeds when they just got them set up with mark or imp garrote
Is big for you getting upper hand
hidden moth
Bc while ur doing direct damage with ur gcds you just negated 4-5 of their gcds worth of damage
lavish gorge
Helpful advice, thank you.
hidden moth
Disarm also helps
Also you can big cloak blind, and get a re off the blind if u wanted
And the normal stuff of like, step kidney their evasion. Can’t dodge if they are behind you and you can’t dodge if ur stunned.
graceful ravine
when are they unlocking unlimited conq?
viscid prairie
do we delete sub rogue next reset?
Delete it now
long shore
can anyone check my macro logic?
and see if this works as a single keybind for Cheapshot and Focus Cheapshot?
runic trench
20% more damage
PvP scaling is a nightmare because it’s not apparent in tooltips
Like with the outlaw finisher that does 3x more damage on crit
Instead of doing 100% crit which is 2x a normal hit in pvp does 200% crit damage which is hardly 3x more damage
But that’s just because of scaling
In pve it would be 400%
hidden moth
when are they unlocking unlimited conq?
2-4 weeks from now
hidden moth
can anyone check my macro logic?
and see if this works as a single keybind for...
Wait are u trying to use cheap to pull someone out of stealth?
That’s best done with sap
“Oh I found him” cheapshots
“Oh they found me”
Also sap has 10 yrd while cheap is melee range
long shore
Wait are u trying to use cheap to pull someone out of stealth?
got the answer from nahj!
he figured it was a "nomod" i was missing
hidden moth
got the answer from nahj!
Ah I see it’s a stealth macro thought it was a macro trying to spam cheap and pull people from stealth I’m dumb
fervent cobalt
when are they unlocking unlimited conq?
Week 11
runic trench
I have stealth keybound to a few things too
Like if I’m not sheathed and I’m out of combat and I hit anything it stealths me
Mostly have it on backstab and like evis
hidden moth
Interesting
I just have stealth bound and a smeld stealth macro
But my stealth macro isn’t on any other key that finger hits
grave basin
I feel like this is just overcomplicating things
Also finding a rogue with Cs is a really bad idea
What if you get him in a spot where your teammate isn't close to do anything about it and/or not ready to do a cross cc
Now you've put him on stun Dr for zero gain
bleak cypress
Might sound like an ultra low effort request, do you have a gameplan as rogue (maybe as sub especially) in blitz?
I often either try to kind of make ninja capping advice with mixed success.
orb map: try to kill orbs, occasionally around 1,7k mmr pick one or the other myself since a lot of people don't seem to care go picking them
ctf maps: Delay efc if solo, kill if supported by others. Ocassionally support own fc midfield if he could need that support (depends mostly on class tbh)
arathi: try to for GM, no clue what I should be doing there with a rogue mirror, any advice? most of the time switching between GM and the other (stables/farm depending on faction)
eots: often deffing together with some other player, if we see a potential flag capture, delay movement and/or try to be there first by stealing away early
battle of gilneas: most of the time trying to ninja cap the other teams "initial node"
I had a look at the palumors sub guide on youtube which kind of suggests a burst rotation as:
(see screenshot) with mixed success when I need to kill somebody 1:1.
Most often I try to sap > cap > blind on insigna > cap which work I would say depending on the other class around 1/3 of the time.
Especially if somebody could put some regular ninja cap situations down and help me with it that would highly appreciated or some general advice. Ty in advance
hidden moth
Might sound like an ultra low effort request, do you have a gameplan as rogue (m...
That’s a lot ngl
TLDR for blitz I don’t play sub
Fc maps, slow/ stun cc fc even if he doesn’t have flag. If he does meet him in his gy and sap him there make him uninstall. If he gets through ur cc even if ur solo. Slow him as much as possible. Cripple poisons the whole shebang make him use movement cds before your team is there so he doesn’t have them
Gilneas ur either sitting base or ninja theirs use bge to tell where each enemy is
Ab ur going mines and rotating mines to st/farm to help out while the first node isn’t capable
For deep wind ur basically sitting off carts same for the mop version of ab
Deephaul u are going for pressure on their carts and team fight mostly trying to spin or take the crystal
For temple don’t take big cloak take disarm so u can cloak with orb and try to merk orb holders
Lastly, for winning ur rogue v rogue 1v1
Just win ur ones
Ask urself “how am I losing these 1v1 to them” and duplicate what they are doing
If they sap u and try cap trinket vanish, or trinket blind instantly. They will be expecting ur trinket and be spamming blind on u
If they evasion step+ kidney etc
safe pelican
I also feel like this is doing too much lol
Gyat dammit I’m all for the removal of shadow dust , make the class simpler my man shouldn’t have to play like that 😂
long shore
Shadowdust reduces cooldown by 22seconds currently in PvP right?
long shore
I also feel like this is doing too much lol
Yeah rogue has so many binds
Might get easier next week lol
I have like 36++ binds and macros and it's rough with so many buttons
wanton breach
Shadowdust reduces cooldown by 22seconds currently in PvP right?
15
vague comet
hit 1.8 in shuffle on feral on my 3rd day. Weirdly enough, was harder than on rogue (I guess having never played feral before has something to do with it...)
kinda makes me wanna play rogue more, but hell... is it even worth it anymore
topaz bobcat
finding outlaw really weak in BGs
I don't get why ppl play outlaw over feral in tourny
indigo hill
kinda makes me wanna play rogue more, but hell... is it even worth it anymore
It always is. You're not a Rogue becuase it's always the best. You're a Rogue because you understand that to be a true hero of Azeroth, you must walk in the shadows for other do not dare.
topaz bobcat
I thought rogue class fantasy was about being criminal scum not hero
vague comet
It always is. You're not a Rogue becuase it's always the best. You're a Rogue be...
hell yeah brother
indigo hill
finding outlaw really weak in BGs
Stay out of team fights. You shine by harassing Fc, stealing bases and preventing healers from healing.
topaz bobcat
Stay out of team fights. You shine by harassing Fc, stealing bases and preventin...
is there a reason to play outlaw over sub in blitz?
indigo hill
I thought rogue class fantasy was about being criminal scum not hero
More anti hero like Wolverine.
I personally enjoy Outlaw playstyle more then Sub but there is no reason i can off think why one over the other, maybe some others here can come up with a few. Both have their usefulness in BG.
This guy plays outlaw and has some nice tricks and tips for the specs if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/@SouljournGaming
lone anvil
Can you explain what this macro does. (Im new and don't have any macros set up)
long shore
it cheapshots the target by default. (i have it bound to C)
if i want to focus cheapshot (i press Shift C) - cheap shot focus target.
the rest of it like "harm" is to make sure if a hunter feigns death, i dont end up detargeting randomly and cheapshotting his pet by accident. it makes sure i always cheapshot the target i am on.
lone anvil
it cheapshots the target by default. (i have it bound to C)
if i want to focus...
Ah gotcha....
Why do you need a macro for that exactly ? I mean as opposed to just using the normal ability, sorry not being rude the way you explained it doesn't sound like there is a benefit
long shore
Ah gotcha....
Why do you need a macro for that exactly ? I mean as opposed to j...
nahj a rank 1 rogue explains it better than i do
"can put a similar format as this onto almost anything. targets last thing you were targeting if no target for restunning feign death. Harm also prevents the cheapshot itself from auto aquiring a target so you don't stun a pet or something if someone vanishes."
this is from his dicord
hidden dome
Ok, as a continuation of yesterday. I'm now 30 bgs in with my monk heal, still only 2 WSG and 0 Twin Peaks.
The chances for that are 0.34% or around 1 in 333.
Could still just be bad luck though, but maybe blizz added something to prevent monk heals for queuing into those 2 bgs
at this rate I might hit 1.8 with monk before I get to carry another flag lol
hidden moth
so tired of feral druids thinking they are good