pvp

[fervent cobalt]

I'm not gonna play sin shit is lame af melee warlock lol

[narrow tangle]

play feral

😎

[fervent cobalt]

Getting combat saps with shadow dance and chain ccing is just 🤌

[tender ember]

i like to actually play a game xD im assa main, but sub had really fun playstyle when u were actually active, not dying every sec like trash or hide on dr stuns

[fervent cobalt]

Just use fient it's off global now.

A lot of damage reduction

[narrow tangle]

elusiveness rly good

[tender ember]

im refering how it was earlier, sub was rly squishy

[fervent cobalt]

Yea

[narrow tangle]

especially now

[fervent cobalt]

Yes

Not having faint on global

And you don't need bargain anymore

[tender ember]

im not sure about feint

[fervent cobalt]

Since we not gonna be vanishing for cdr

[tender ember]

but probably ppl will test it

[fervent cobalt]

It's been used a lot in awc

Over cheat death

[tender ember]

it still reduces blades cdr which is big wincon, so i expect it stays

idk mby on us

[fervent cobalt]

It's only a min 1.5 without bargin

[tender ember]

and on us as well were more outlaws

[fervent cobalt]

With bargin its 1.2

[tender ember]

ye its bug

big

1min 30 vs 1min12

[fervent cobalt]

Give up 10% damage also

When you feint

And now it's off global you can use it on gos

[tender ember]

u mean with trickster?

[fervent cobalt]

No

Deathstalker

Trickster is kinda clunky

[tender ember]

can u show? 1st time i hear feint will be 10% dmg gain modifier

[fervent cobalt]

No gain

Just with no bargin

You don't lose the damage

Same with bladea

[tender ember]

ahh ok

so clunky lol

[fervent cobalt]

They reduc blades duration also

So it's 16 seconds now not 20

So using bargin kinda shit

If you ask me

Another thing is the first dance doesn't give combo points anymore

So fucking shitty

How often are we just gonna get out of combat then stay out of combat for another 6 seconds lmfao

Master of shadows super shit as well

[tender ember]

before pulling m+ boss bro

xD

[fervent cobalt]

Lol

Fuck that noise. I'm not sure wtf I'm gonna take now. I feel like there might be a play with trickster and rotten

[topaz cipher]

We talking about the sub changes coming again?

[fervent cobalt]

Yea

[vague comet]

guys is there aw ay to make abilities used on press rather than on release?

nevermind, just trying to get my mmo mouse working

[runic trench]

so in 7 days we lose our vanish cdr right?

im so scared boys

[warped gate]

That’s 11.0.5?

[celest tusk]

Yes 11.0.5 sub's funeral

[warped gate]

I was trying not to pay too much attention to the release date because it’s like watching paint dry, that and I don’t wanna say goodbye to ER.

Awww man.

On the one hand, Feint off the GCD and BtE resets in stealth which is goddamn huge, but on the other..

[runic trench]

ive wanted to play rogue for like

[warped gate]

[runic trench]

4 expansions

so i dont think im gonna change

i dont want to go back to healing

[warped gate]

‘Eyyyyy, twinsies!

[runic trench]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[warped gate]

I was a WW Monk since MoP, which is kind of a lie because I took a break after WoD and came back for DF, but I always thought Combat Rogue was cool but never took the plunge.

[celest tusk]

Back to healing it is 🤣

[runic trench]

nah

i would probably go lock

[warped gate]

Awwwwwwww, is that real?

[runic trench]

or ele sham

[celest tusk]

Game need healers

FlashStorm we need you.

[runic trench]

hell nah, ive done my time

[lone anvil]

That sucks man. Do you enjoy other rogue specs besides sub?

[lone anvil]

We have the same interests in classes LOL. I have a max level aff lock, max level druid healer, max level rogue and I mained ele shaman in WOTLK he would be my next 80

[topaz cipher]

Without Invigorating Shadow Dust and losing Sepsis, I fear sub will feel pretty difficult to play. Outlaw was already peaking its head, and with the added tankiness, QoL changes on crackshot, plus reduced blind CD, I have a feeling Outlaw is probably gonna be the play after the changes.

[lone anvil]

Does the game actually need healers? (Genuine question) Probably 90% of the people I know/play with have at least one healer maxed level, some play multiple healers.

I know less people who don't heal than people who at least heal occasionally if not main healer

And the way the mark of conquest is set up. it's actually easier to farm shuffle on a healer and cap your conquest on all your other characters with those tokens

I farm all my conquest for my warlock on my druid

[celest tusk]

Getting on your healer just to make your life easier inside the game is not playing only healer so you can actually evolve around pvp content(arenas) bgs etc..seen already healers in arenas that are clueless cuz they just log on their healer to farm fast conq etc..playing healer for your convenience it is actually way different than playing healer to push for rating,learn how to adapt into diff pvp modes etc.

[tribal badger]

the reason queue timers r so long is lack of healers

healers r the limiting factor thats why rhey get the bonus rewards

the game absolutely needs more incentive to heal in pvp

[celest tusk]

Plus every awc player in streams saying the same thing..we actually need healers.. unless they are wrong(awc pro players).yes I doubt they are wrong

[lone anvil]

My healer has a higher shuffle rating and 3s rating than any of my characters and I main rogue. But I see your point

[tribal badger]

and how long r queue timers on ur healer lol

compared to ur dps

i get sub 1m queue timers on my healer a majority of the time

my last solo shuffle session my shortest timer was 5m and my longest was 45m on my rogue

[celest tusk]

Well from my point of view I've seen tons of healers that are actually bad..and bad cuz they do not actually main heal..so ofc they are gonna lack xp etc..but yeh..

[lone anvil]

Queue times aren't bad on my DPS sure they are better on my healer for shuffle but that's because of ratios. 2/3 roles are DPS in a shuffle where as blitz is a 3/4 ratio

I think the main issue with shuffle is ratios are bad

[tribal badger]

couldnt really make the ratio any better

[lone anvil]

There's how many DPS specs in the game (20-30) and 5-6 healer specs

[tribal badger]

can just incentivise people to queue healer

[lone anvil]

Well imagine if the ratio of specs available was 2/3 dps to healer

[celest tusk]

Idk about you but blitz really attracted many people go back to pvp and it's kinda addicted..so at least pvp is OK for now even if the healers that are needed for the pvp content are not near the number the community would like to.

[tribal badger]

i dont think it is lack of healer specs in the game leading people to not heal

and they arent ever gunna add another 10 healer specs

[lone anvil]

I think the incentives are good. The conquest badges are actually insane IMO

[tribal badger]

they are good. not good enough to even out the healer playerbase enough to keep dps queue timers low tho

[lone anvil]

I never said that

[tribal badger]

well idk how else theyd change the ratio

[lone anvil]

There already considering making enhancement more of a tanking spec again kinda like it was in Classic

[tribal badger]

i dont believe they have said they are seriously considering that anywhere

i have a feeling many players would be very angry if they did that vs making a new spec for a shaman tank

i dont forsee them making a shaman tank at all tho

[lone anvil]

Yeah idk my friend mentioned it to me I haven't fact checked

[tribal badger]

they certainly have not stated that anywhere other then season of discovery

ur friend is def huffing some copium

or misread something in a class discord

[celest tusk]

Well making enhance tank or something near that is just a bad move overall xD

Although many changes are still coming from enhance

But to get back to our point

We need SUB be the best pvp spec of all rogue specs

https://tenor.com/view/xluna-high-five-gif-25422702

[indigo hill]

Or outlaw

Probably needs to be outlaw.

[lyric onyx]

Fuck outlaw

[lone anvil]

Id be okay with it.

The only time I actually enjoyed enhance was when 2h playstyle was viable in classic and TBC when you could 1 tap people with big lucky double WF procs.

Ever since lava burst came in WOTLK ele has been the more fun spec to play IMO

Y'all remember those Beavis Goes Berserk videos that went unnecessarily hard AF

https://youtu.be/GT_zOIoYIBY?si=b6SayEYieHaCz-Df

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-flirt-cowboy-heyy-come-over-gif-14289994

average outlaw enjoyer

[tribal badger]

is that supposed to be an insult

https://tenor.com/view/zanuto-naruto-run-zanb-twitch-streamer-gif-17322459

average sub rogue enjoyer

[lime oar]

Not trying to insult

[runic trench]

I would say rework sub

But I have no idea what they could make

With that theme

[lyric onyx]

Ranged throwing weapon spec

Real shuriken ninja

[lime oar]

I’d go outlaw if that happened

[lyric onyx]

Yeah they’d have to make a 4th spec for that

But I’ve always wanted a throwing weapon rogue spec would be awesome

Never gonna happen

[lone anvil]

Ooooh never thought about this. Or a bow rogue spec could also be cool. IMO

[tribal badger]

u mean what we had in wod

when we had the talent shuriken toss or w/e that turned all ur autos into ranged attacks for ~10s after casting it

i remember back when sub rogue had a win con of pveing the enemy down to victory with endless pressure

very different times

[lyric onyx]

That was mop too wasn’t it

End of mop

That, but fleshed out would be fun

[lyric onyx]

Skyrim sneak archer spec

[lone anvil]

Yeah exactly. I was thinking ESO night blade bow-build. But very similar vibe

[ocean thunder]

Am I the only (assa rogue) one having trouble with shuffle lately? SPs, hpaladins, ferals - especially Hpaladins are so annying because you got to get through a DPS's defensives plus 2 bops and freedoms
In general, only a few games I can effectively cleave and assassin looks like the easiest spec to kill by far, I end up hiding behind pillars

[lone anvil]

Yes. Im just returning to WoW after 12 years. Tried assassination rogue for 6 weeks and in 1 week of playing rDruid I already have a higher shuffle than my rogue

There's high highs and low lows

Im either getting 3 health bars into execute range at high dampening with crazy map pressure. Or I'm constantly CCd and struggling to stay on anyone

[ocean thunder]

The worst part, is that I feel I have no effective plan. Like i see no way into victory, other than spending my time behind pillars

[lone anvil]

I'll say I did organized 2v2 with an MM hunter and it was 100x better than shuffle when you can actually communicate with your partner and call out targets

CC targets and kill targets and switches

[topaz cipher]

Class identity of sub isn't hard to build around though? Big burst windows with no sustained pressure and control? It's essentially the spec that follows the "rogue" thematic the closest, right? It's in the name of the spec, "Subtlety". It's essentially just a ninja.

[ocean thunder]

2s is different, much differnt, I am still stuck on 1900ish mmr but it doesn't feel that bleak

[ionic crown]

will sub still good after removed shadowdust?

[topaz cipher]

Unless they compensate elsewhere, not nearly as good.

[lone anvil]

I accidentally bought the Feral conquest staff on my druid with the free weapon token instead of the resto one.

I've been thinking about just swapping my druid over and trying out the feral version of assassination

[topaz cipher]

Hell, I think rupture should be removed from sub entirely and the bloat reduced by baking all the dumb modifiers into actual skills. What's the point of Symbols? It's just a button that exists to macro into other parts of your kit anyway.

[ocean thunder]

Frankly, you should, i just felt like I was betraying my assa if i did so, but that's just my nonsense.
Feral is the better rogue atm unless you play organized PvP and subtlety

[topaz cipher]

Feral is going to eventually eat a significant nerf. It won't be allowed to exist in the state it's in.

[ocean thunder]

I remember saying that many times for many specs. The nerfs came VERY late.
Personally, if 2400 was achievable I would reroll to the fotm given what I know so far.
Rets had a great time for so long, DHs too, the nerfs come at least 3 weeks later than they should and in smaller waves, so you go from Godlike to OP and then to very good and then to dumpster, but it takes a long time

[lone anvil]

I think it depends on the person and their comfortability with other specs and skill level.

[lone anvil]

I've thought about playing disc priest instead of rDruid, just because it seems to be a better fit in certain comps. And seems to be the top healer. And druid is really strong but mana management can be an issue.

But honestly there's a lot of factors. For one I just love playing druid. Ive healed on paladin and shaman a little bit and I think druids are my favorite. And even if discipline isn't nerfed by the time I get my priest leveled up and geared. I've played low level priests and there's nothing captivating about the aesthetic, class identity, or playstyle.

In addition to that there's no promise I'll be any better at it even though it's the "stronger spec" I think some people gravitate more towards certain playstyles organically. And that can't always be overcome

[cobalt pewter]

[lime oar]

mud in the chat

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/to-do-list-your-mom-mike-ohearn-lifestyle-gif-6112231473804063581

[lime oar]

Bro is spying on us

[cobalt pewter]

always

[lime oar]

Should I just delete my rogues and only play my warrior or what

[cobalt pewter]

warrior is pretty bad rn ngl

i recommend maining gym full time

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[tribal badger]

is warrior actually that bad? i honestly cant tell, i havent seen one yet in my 2100 shuffle lobbies

maybe slept on or????

[cobalt pewter]

Warrior b tier

[candid tide]

lmao

[ocean thunder]

The fact that SPs, locks, frostmages and ferals are so OP and hard to kill, i think that makes warriors less dominant
I dont think warriors are bad, it's just that some other classes are too durable

[tribal badger]

i dont know that ive actually faced a warrior in the 40 or so shuffle rounds ive played yet this expac

thinking back on it now

kinda wild

maybe there was 1 fury warrior in there week 1

[cobalt pewter]

yeah warrior isnt bad its just that rogue hunter feral mage afflic spriest are better rn

o wait thats the entire game

[ocean thunder]

rogue or sub-rogue?

[cobalt pewter]

rogue in general i guess

[tribal badger]

any lobby with 3 wizards and a melee feels dogshit unless that melee is sub

cmm

or feral actually

ferals eatin good in those lobbies

[lone anvil]

I've had at least 20, maybe they're all in low MMR with me

[cobalt pewter]

sub rogue is the only spec in the game with an infinite skillcap prove me wrong

[tribal badger]

i mean when all rogue specs r bad, sub is always played

when literally no rogue specs do damage, sub will still be played on the highest end

its just the design of the spec

[velvet lichen]

Outlaw more fun tho

Sub feels so scripted

My only gripe against it

To the point that Ven or Supa will just call the awc match when conditions are met for the next kidney… it’s like.. oh yay.. fun

[halcyon timber]

God damn wailing caverns in here boys

[twin burrow]

hey.. how do i make it so when change talent pages my bars dont change? thanks in advance

[gusty hedge]

sometimes when you change it shows you an option to share the same action bars

[tender ember]

what gem colour is this from details?

[tribal badger]

gem color doesnt matter

it just changes the flavor of the spell not the damage

[tender ember]

so this:

was pure rng game?

[tribal badger]

6 procs

vs 10 procs

yes

just rng

[tender ember]

cos this guy got totaly rect in dmg

like almost twice and still got more dmg from lens

kk

thanks

was a bit confused but ur argument is logic

i came so dumb not checking number of procs xD

[lone anvil]

That's what she said

[lavish gorge]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[lavish gorge]

I can finally kill mm hunters consistently 😤. Next up gotta learn how to run away from feral

In that my fight back response needs to disappear lmao

[jolly sierra]

never expected the r1 warr saying that lol

[visual ruin]

does the rank of the crafted piece matter for pvp if I use glad heraldies? or does it just matter for pve?

[potent pivot]

only matters for pve

[lone anvil]

Only matters is you're petting cats

[visual ruin]

thnx

[hidden moth]

i could make a joke about this but ill spare trickz the headache

[potent pivot]

[delicate patrol]

Hey yall - gearing a sub rogue right now. Does it matter in which order i pick up the set pieces?

also, does sub want 4 set?

[potent pivot]

Atm it’s looking like sub is staying 2 set

You can use the free tier token from hitting 1600 rating on shoulders or legs

Then convert the other piece from a conquest piece

But you want shoulders/legs

[delicate patrol]

cool, thank you !

[sharp sierra]

wound/crippling for assassin pvp, right?

[languid ravine]

is there a single reason why Skirmishes dont scale up your item level other than "stupid"?

[stoic spruce]

because you touch yourself at night

[jolly sierra]

XD

[warped gate]

Gotta make gear mean something in PvP.

[languid ravine]

then scale it up to honour gear level -10 it isnt that hard

and you ll still be completely outgeared by full epic characters

[warped gate]

Dudes shouldn't even be queuing Skirmish without Honor gear. I mean.. Epic BG's are right there.

[languid ravine]

now this guy is telling me how to play the game 2 hours before weekly reset

[hidden moth]

what is making people "Immune" in azkehet when they hit 1% hp ive seen it on every clas

[warped gate]

I didn't know you were the one getting clapped in Skirmish.

[languid ravine]

surprisingly I rock about a 35% winrate because there are a few other people with negative 200 item level

because thats fun and isnt totally gonna shy people away from pvp

[warped gate]

Why not just do Epic BG's until you get the gear?

[languid ravine]

weekly quest for example

[warped gate]

I meeeaaan, prolly would get what you want a lot faster queuing up where you're reliant on 39 other people, rather than hoping the other guy is brollic enough to carry. And on top of that, you get Honor gear turbo fast and will be able to contribute a lot more to the Skirmishes to do the daily.

[potent pivot]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Probably one of the special abilities you get from the spider people

[hidden moth]

cries

[warped gate]

Is there EVER a time to get one of those talented poisons?

[hidden moth]

prob if kingsbane is good

[warped gate]

mb, I mean the generic Rogue tree ones.

These ones:

[hidden moth]

only if u take dtb

[warped gate]

Gotcha, thanks.

[languid ravine]

there is a case for mindnumbing if you play against lock and/or as Outlaw to be made

[gentle rampart]

Hey all for assa bgb looks like there's an even split between fatebound/deathstalker is there a time and place for each?

[hidden moth]

i pref deathstalker

[potent pivot]

not necessarily

deathstalker is technically better damage wise

for blitz it barely matters what you run either way

[gentle rampart]

ah ok, figured id ask seeing fatebound running MA/KB wasnt sure if it was just for fcs etc

[potent pivot]

running MA is just troll imo, KB is fine for non team fight assa

[gentle rampart]

makes sense, ty for your time!

[fervent shell]

What's your typical pvp opener for assassination?

[potent pivot]

cheap-gar-gar-rupt-ambush etc

there's not really a 100% same opener always

[fervent shell]

yeah for sure, just trying to get a feel for it

[potent pivot]

you want to get bleeds rolling asap

try to cleave them from stealth with Carnage

ambush a good target to get Deathstalker's Mark up during your Subterfuge

get slice n dice rolling sometime after your initial opener

build combo points with FoK any time you can hit 2 or more targets etc

[sharp sierra]

Is it viable to grab the node for +1 to add deadly?

I feel like a debuffer atm

[potent pivot]

wdym +1

[hidden moth]

think he is talking about the dtb

[potent pivot]

deadly barely does any dmg

dtb is okay in very specific scenarios, along with kb

but not normally used

[sharp sierra]

ahh ok

thanks^^

[lone anvil]

I like the can opener. It's really good for cans of baked beans.

But some times you can use a good pick up line as a an opener

[fervent shell]

I only have a bottle opener, would that work?

[lone anvil]

Probably

[hidden moth]

hmmm dh 2/4 set isnt getting nerfed in pvp

[potent pivot]

they're all supposed to be nerfed in pvp supposedly

not sure why some slip through the cracks

[hidden moth]

i see 20% dance damage and 12% chaos strike damage buff with 25% chance to reset blade dance cd and make it cost 30% less

outside and inside of pvp combat

[potent pivot]

ye i don't see any pvp modifiers on them

[hidden moth]

say LESS

[potent pivot]

just saying they've been making all tier sets 50% in pvp for a while now

[hidden moth]

oh ik they have

[potent pivot]

but some for some reason don't

[hidden moth]

mayube bc some sets arnt broken or as strong as other

could also be bc dh is hurting rn

[waxen meteor]

any bugs after reset today?

just logging in

[hidden moth]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Moon Guard/Ässassin has this guy hit 2400 before? not sure if im reading check pvp wrong or what

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

it shows his account's achievements and his alt's exp

[waxen meteor]

found a good head for this season tier

[sharp sierra]

can't get BetterBlizzFrames to work

[delicate patrol]

Can mine carts be captured while in stealth?

I tried to ninja a cart in deephaul ravine but it never turned

[waxen meteor]

won a 2100mmr blitz with 1 less people

team work makes dream work

[hidden moth]

TX

[hidden moth]

yeah i dont see 2400 in rbgs so

preciate it

[sharp sierra]

Is there any add-on that reduces raid frame size?

[hidden moth]

edit mode

[runic trench]

i currently have this and 1100 conquest

i look online

and people have crafted neck + conquest gloves and boots

how could they afford this

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/illidan/theloaofdmg

[sharp sierra]

There is only so much I can reduce there

[hidden moth]

u can turn em off

[indigo hill]

With the conquest you should be able to buy them plus the 9 you get for free from the pvp quest.

[runic trench]

cant wait

[sharp sierra]

how?

[lavish gorge]

Is it worth having 4 piece for pvp?

[sharp sierra]

omg disc priests 😦

[hidden moth]

click the arrow key on the left of the frames to see group #'s then click them to hide

[lucid citrus]

I believe Assa and Outlaw wants 4 set and Sub only wants 2 set

[lavish gorge]

Thanks for the info. Head chest hands and......shoulders?

I dunno. Hard to find this info anywhere.

[vague comet]

so you guys leveled a feral yet?

xD

[runic trench]

almost

[lavish gorge]

I think this is pretty okay maybe.

[topaz bobcat]

spriest rising rapidly

[runic trench]

im gonna stay rogue, maybe by the time they buff it i know how to play lmao

[stoic spruce]

I really like how outlaws 4pc works

also the damage isnt that bad

[summer breach]

For assa it is all but gloves

untill you craft hands/buy the conquest Vers/mastery, the warmode 636 are great

[velvet lichen]

Really looking forward to the crack shot change coming soon

Should be able to squeeze a couple more BTE into a vanish window now.

[runic trench]

is blizz gonna account for the massive defensive loss losing the 2 vanish cdr

has on vial/evasion/cloak?

[velvet lichen]

For Sub?

[alpine tinsel]

for the love of god can anyone drop the WA to silence the fighting dwarves at Contender's Gate

[velvet lichen]

Just mute SFX

There’s a Wa though @alpine tinsel

[alpine tinsel]

any idea where to find it or what its called? Quick google search didnt show anything

[velvet lichen]

You’d have to search Wago.io I think some people mentioned it on the Reddit sub, could search there. I just mute SFX on wow so I’ve never had a need for it. Still hear Que pop doing that

[lavish gorge]

I'm doing outlaw.

[gusty hedge]

check murlok.io
i see most going all but head, also see some going all but pants.
personally i went 4pc crafted/eng head

[lavish gorge]

Tried really hard here e.e

[velvet lichen]

I Feel like BTE in crackshot windows isn't really doing any damage

[lavish gorge]

It can but it's heavily based on a lot of contextual set up and RNG

[gusty hedge]

whats your stats looking like👀

[lavish gorge]

I had like 6 in a row, silly disc priest thought her shields were enough

[velvet lichen]

I understand that. I just feel like its not outputting in comparison to pistol shot. Almost like Greenskins looks more appealing

[velvet lichen]

stacking crit

even ghostly striking beforehand for the added umph, but it seems better off on killing spree

[lavish gorge]

Vers > Crit = Haste (10%) mast

for HO fatebound on my end anyways.

Killing spree's caveat is that it stops you from doing literally anything else for up to 2.1 seconds

[velvet lichen]

true

[lavish gorge]

I'm nearly full conquest gear, and even still you can see my damage defecit against the other leaders in the scoreboard up there.

[velvet lichen]

It's just BTE relies on ruthless

ofc

[lavish gorge]

The fact of the matter is, we aren't bruisers, we're scavengers. You gotta know when to fold em and run. Bug bites and baiting out CD's really helps.

BtE is purely phsyical

so if you hit plate and other heavy physical def classes, you'll find your damage a little sub par compared to magic users

but we make up for it in sheer utility. You set the tempo of the fight.

[lavish gorge]

He popped all his big mamma jamma defensives and immunities and is shitting damage? Vanish, Cloak of shadows, stare at him while he fruitlessly tries to AoE reveal you.

maybe a /boop for good measure

Finally unlocked outlaw purple thunderfury. Sheesh

[gusty hedge]

can run badge if alacrity is too rng (passive), but then u lose the haste and gain crit(conq version)

[gusty hedge]

nice
im need to finish unlocking green ones tbh

[potent pivot]

Are you running the right build

[velvet lichen]

Yeah

one sec sorry

[lavish gorge]

So ideal.

[velvet lichen]

Yeah I'm running the right build

still just feels like the stars have to align too much but I guess that's to @gusty hedge 's point

[lavish gorge]

I'm halfway on those, though, seeing these and having the actual thunderfury, I think my swords for outlaw are complete.

Should I reroll her to drac or stay vulpera is my question at the moment

dracthyr very soon

[potent pivot]

BtE should do more dmg than most other spells on average

Ace procs are kinda big as well

[potent pivot]

I don’t think there’s gonna be much reason to go dracthyr with double jump being nerfed

[lavish gorge]

It's an aesthetic thing

[potent pivot]

But idk

[lavish gorge]

You think I'd be a vulpera if racials mattered to me xD

well. camp is pretty sick

and CD reduction on hearthstones not too shabby either

everything else is absolute dog water.

[velvet lichen]

yeah it's around 4th for me

[potent pivot]

I meant like per individual cast

[velvet lichen]

ahh

[gusty hedge]

do both

[lavish gorge]

Nah if I make one more friggin' alt I'm gonna literally explode.

This gon be a race change or gon be stayin' the same

my birthday treat to myself

potentially...

[gusty hedge]

Happy early / belated birthday
dragon rogue/visage gonna be cool

[topaz cipher]

So, stat priority for Outlaw. Looking at all the top Outlaws across game modes, the stat prio is ALL over the place.

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

10-15% haste from gear

a few people take even more haste but it isn't really necessary

[topaz cipher]

If I recall, looking at one of the top outlaws in the world last night, they stacked mastery.

[orchid plinth]

Yes there is the Trickster build that some players including Niksi in AWC plays

[potent pivot]

some people are copying Niksi, who from what i've heard always plays weird stuff. mastery is outlaw's worst stat.

[lone anvil]

What do you mean an aesthetic thing lmao.

Dragons are sooooo ugly 🤮

My friends and I always talk about how evokers are so strong, if they weren't ugly we would make one lol

Also I think that's why dragons keep getting buffs and don't get nerfs because blizz needs to incentivize them to people cause no1 wants to play them

[lavish gorge]

You can stay in visage form

so ugliness is irrelevant. As the visage forms can be some of the most gorgeous in the game when mogged right.

I'd be making my outlaw rogue a dracthyr

Honestly I think it looks really good.

[vocal ginkgo]

is elemental focusing lens + authority of radiant power the move rn for sub?

and how does recrafting work btw? if anyone cares to explain since I'd have to swap an embellishment

[lavish gorge]

You swap the embellishment. You don't get the old one back

You just craft it with the new one, like you did with the old

[potent pivot]

you have to find a crafter beforehand

for recraft

[lavish gorge]

^or place a public order. Sometimes people fill em

[potent pivot]

because it has to be a personal order sent to someone

[potent pivot]

i don't think you can place a public order for a recraft

[vocal ginkgo]

do I need other mats apart from the new embellishment?

[lavish gorge]

Maybe not. I don't think I've tried this season tbf

[potent pivot]

ye you need all the mats except the heraldries

[lavish gorge]

You'll need a fraction of the mats you used initially

[vocal ginkgo]

got it thanks peeps

I also have to recraft a ring since I put an embellishment or something on it I don't remember what it was but I can't equip it until I remove whatever I put on it

any news regarding the sub "rework"?

for the 20 anniv patch

[potent pivot]

nop

[vocal ginkgo]

hmmmm

what about outlaw?

[potent pivot]

you should be able to go look at the patch notes on wowhead or wow's website

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah my bad, let me rephrase

I don't know shit about outlaw rogues and my perception reading stuff here has been that they are not in a great place so I just wanted to know what people feel about those potential reworks

I read the notes but I don't know how to interpret them since I don't play the spec

[potent pivot]

outlaw has been doing fine all season really

the only thing changing with the patch for outlaw is a little more dmg, and bug fixes afaik

[lone anvil]

Hey guys Ive been back for like 6 weeks now and I still can't figure out how to get my UI to a place where the game even feels playable.

Ive been messing with the settings on Gladius and BidDebuffs to try and get things to where I want them. But sometimes I get into a 3v3 and only 2/3 frames from my teammates are showing up and my third teammate just doesn't have a plate visible

Im tired of losing matches because of UI

I want to lose a match because I did everything I could and got out played

Not because I'm in a chess match with the fucking game to get things displayed right

[vocal ginkgo]

I recommend the skillcapped UI addon

it basically organizes everything for you and includes everything you need for pvp

it's very clean as well

[lone anvil]

Do I need curse forge for it because I just have wago

[vocal ginkgo]

not sure tbh

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/skill-capped-ui

it updates automatically too

I moved the plates around a bit but that's practically it

[potent pivot]

why not just get curse

[vocal ginkgo]

this

[lone anvil]

Because Ive heard it immensely slows down performance, and I barely am able to play WoW as it is - I just have a $200 dell notebook for school that Im surprised supports WoW at all

[vocal ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM7qvSkNarw

this video is funny af

[potent pivot]

it doesn't. and you can keep it closed

you open it, update addons or install/remove etc. then close it

if you're on a really super cheap PC i could see having it open causing a little lag maybe, but you never have to keep it open

it's basically the same thing as the wago app but has more options, the wago app is a very new project

[lone anvil]

Alright. Im downloading it right now and I'll give it a shot

Certain things make my gameplay unplayable. Like I tried using ElvUI

[potent pivot]

you can also download the addons directly from the website

[lone anvil]

And that made me lag from the smallest amount of combat

[potent pivot]

but then you have to fool around with your folders etc

[lone anvil]

ElvUI was horrendous for me

[potent pivot]

elvui is a very CPU intensive addon

it makes even decent PCs lag

my PC was like $1200 to build a few years ago and i refuse to play with elvui

[lone anvil]

Yeah, Im going to get a new PC eventually. Just trying to make the game work with what I currently have

[potent pivot]

i'd stay away from the big WA packs, like the pve ones i think we talked about the other day

weakauras is one of the next most intensive addons

[lone anvil]

Got it

[potent pivot]

having a few small auras is fine

but the big packs can be intensive

[lone anvil]

Right now. I just want to get my plates right. Where I can see buffs, debuffs, DoTs, HoTs, dispellable CC ect.

I don't need anything crazy

[potent pivot]

i would recommend using betterblizzplates

and turn on the setting to see defensives/cc on the side of nameplates from omnibar i believe

[vocal ginkgo]

mastery or haste for outlaw?

[lone anvil]

So I installed curseforge and downloaded and installed the Skill cap UI from the website, but somehow got this message when I logged in

and then when I click the install button I get another weird message

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah so now you gotta download the missing addons (red ones)

[lone anvil]

gotcha

[vocal ginkgo]

right click install button to reload ui

[topaz cipher]

There is a video attached that shows the process.

[vocal ginkgo]

and then when you have everything, just press install

[lone anvil]

when I click the instal button I get this warning, proceed?

[vocal ginkgo]

wait until you have downloaded the rest of the addons

the ones that are missing, in red font

[lone anvil]

cats

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5sy40YpeCY

check out this vid

[lone anvil]

Watching now

Thanks for the help gentlemen

I got it guys. I'll experiment it and tweak it and get back to you

[potent pivot]

[vocal ginkgo]

awesome thanks! 2 set or 4 set for outlaw though?

[potent pivot]

4

[celest burrow]

Was fighting a mage, curious what do they use to heal so much with ?

[worthy crag]

alter time, displacement, a few barriers

ice block heal

[lone anvil]

So I load into a skirmish, and the frames for me and my teamate are center frame, and there are no enemy frames on the right, mind you these are addon frames not the in game frames so I cant move them in edit mode

this is with the new skill cap package lol

[potent pivot]

that's weird

did you install a different version of Gladius

[worthy crag]

Thats why I dont trust "packages"

Back in my day, we hard installed each folder in interface/addons

[potent pivot]

a ton of ppl use the skillcapped ui pack

with good results

[lone anvil]

In the video you sent he recommended a specific version of gladius, called bicmex or something

[worthy crag]

Back In My Day

[lone anvil]

so I downloaded the version from that youtube video

[potent pivot]

try to open the gladius settings

with /gladius

or going to addon settings through the wow settings

[lone anvil]

bet

[potent pivot]

sec i'm gonna log in to see if i can find the setting causing that

i'm using a diff version of gladius but it should be practically the same in the settings

[potent pivot]

if you do /gladius test
you should be able to move it around

not sure why it's showing your team and not the enemy team

[lone anvil]

Dude

I dont think the game is recognizing my gladius at all

because when I type in /gladius nothing comes up and when i go into options --addons its not even listed

[potent pivot]

you might want to just delete the bicmex version

[worthy crag]

Did you download some garbage or outdated variant of gladius in the past? That addon has a long history

[potent pivot]

and get a more up to date one

[lone anvil]

its updated for 11.0.5

but im still going to use a different gladius tbh

ahhh

[potent pivot]

oh i'm using the bicmex version and it's working fine

[lone anvil]

curseforge said it might be corrupt

yeah idk

[worthy crag]

I found bicmex to be the only working one, at least in start of tww

[lone anvil]

i tossed it

oh really

[potent pivot]

try reinstalling maybe

[potent pivot]

multiple are up to date now

[worthy crag]

gladius(wod)

[potent pivot]

maybe your first install just corrupted

for some reason

[lone anvil]

That did the trick lnao

Lmao

[chilly blaze]

Question might get slammed for but I'm fairly new to wow been barley playing off and on since cataclysm never really got into it at all finaly sticking with it and getting into pvp. I have much more money than I do time does skill capped have actual Valuable information or is it not worth?

[past patio]

Hey im new to pvp and im a rouge main! is there any good youtube video to get into pvp either assasination or sub?

[potent pivot]

most videos either have some wrong information or are outdated

[past patio]

@potent pivot damn so there is no place to get the basics?

[potent pivot]

i think that really depends on the person. i would recommend checking out some of their free info first but in the end practice is what's going to make you better

[potent pivot]

like what exactly

[past patio]

@potent pivot just the basics to PvP im a hardcore PvE player so don't have the basics for PvP in general

was just gonna ask if there is a guide or anything

should i go for a cleave or more Singel target build

stuff like that

gonna play 2s for the most

[potent pivot]

for 2s you can go for a mixed or st build

like the same as our 3s build but with KB instead of IC

[vocal ginkgo]

as for your build I would just check out the builds of the top rogues in murlok.io or something

[potent pivot]

you can also play DTB+KB into certain comps

[past patio]

okey gonna check it! is Sub rouge viable?

[worthy crag]

rogue isnt dead but theres 0 reason to play it over feral

[past patio]

or is Sub dead

[worthy crag]

Its kinda at a point where you feel guilty applying in lfg or your btag friends for depriving them the chance to q with a feral over you

either that or subconsciously knowing the mage you got on lfr is shitty cuz they dont know they should q with a feral instead

[potent pivot]

sub is fine

[vocal ginkgo]

ouch

[worthy crag]

Or I guess thats how it will be like come anniv patch

RN sub is okay for 5 more days

I mean sub is good rn, just feral is 7x better

And feral nerfs WILL come, we just dont know when so enjoy the era while it lasts

at least sub is pretty okay at killing sp and ferals in shuffle which are top specs

Its a lot better than when ret arms dominate ladder

[lone anvil]

So gladius is working better, but this seems like a shit ton of stuff to have on my screen for a 2v2 lol

[vocal ginkgo]

haha would be lame af if someone switched to feral and it gets nerfed like crazy

that's the risk of meta chasing

or tier list whores lol

[vocal ginkgo]

I personally don't use weakauras for pvp and I'd move my plates + maybe make the gladius frames a bit smaller

[potent pivot]

that looks mostly correct but idk why your team mate frames look like that.

[vocal ginkgo]

it's all subjective though

[upper zephyr]

elvui

[vocal ginkgo]

you might have more than one addon overlapping each other

[upper zephyr]

clean that all up

[vocal ginkgo]

check that out

[potent pivot]

elvui is pretty crap for pvp

[lone anvil]

we talked about that in this chat earlier today lol

[upper zephyr]

how so?

[potent pivot]

are those TellMeWhens yours? or did they come from the skillcappedui

[potent pivot]

bad for performance/frames, and hides too much information you need

[lone anvil]

I mean its mostly all skill cap UI, i may have other addons from before that i havent turned off as well

[upper zephyr]

i guess i just have a supercomputer

i guess what it comes down to is customization tbh

[lone anvil]

Elv UI makes me lag at the slightest wind that blows by me

[potent pivot]

if you watch any higher rated players, none of them use elvui

[lone anvil]

let alone a big group v group fight

[potent pivot]

it's personal preference, but yeah

[upper zephyr]

just preference

[lone anvil]

pros play at low frame rates right?

[upper zephyr]

i dont think just because top rated players aren't using makes it bad

[lone anvil]

so they have better ping

[potent pivot]

imo it's unnecessary dogshit

[lone anvil]

its up to you tyler, youre paying $15 a minth

[upper zephyr]

personally i like have as little as possible on screen

[lone anvil]

enjoy the game however you want

[upper zephyr]

also true

[lone anvil]

I agree with the minimalism, but I dont like the cost it comes with

[potent pivot]

but then how do you know what's going on in a pvp match

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah check this out

[potent pivot]

i love minilist ui and even elvui for PVE

[upper zephyr]

my brain is at least 3x the size of yours

i am basically mike ross of wow

[potent pivot]

.....right

[vocal ginkgo]

[potent pivot]

not even going to dignify your weirdness with an actual response

[upper zephyr]

LOL

[orchid plinth]

Looks like BattlegroundEnemies is running I would remove that to begin with and just use default raid frames + only gladius

[lone anvil]

yeah took me a minute torecognize that too LOL

ty

[potent pivot]

disable TellMeWhen addon if you weren't using it before

[lone anvil]

I dont know what tellmewhen addon is

i dont think I have that addon

[upper zephyr]

anchor your gladius frames you maniac

[potent pivot]

the slice/shiv/deathmark icons in the middle, unless those are your own weakauras

[lone anvil]

I also dont have weak auras not sure

ill try to figure it out

[worthy crag]

This convo is giving me a weird dejavu of when new wow players just boost a class to max lvl

Its better just to learn one addon at a time from scratch and install one associated addon whenever you feel like you are missing a functionality

[orchid plinth]

Set your BigDebuffs for Player to use the Portrait like your TargetFrame

Install something like LeatrixPlus and disable error messages

[lone anvil]

I started this character at level 1 even though i had a free 70 booost and multiple other characters

[orchid plinth]

Personally I would use something like Bartender as well to hide bags and micro menu since you seem to be on a lower resolution. That would free up some space as well in bottom right corner. Just less "stuff".

[lone anvil]

the fact of the matter is you can max level a character in 12 hours now and the pace of leveling doesnt allow for learning a class

[orchid plinth]

There are other ways to do this but bartender is good and does its job.

[worthy crag]

I know, I'm just saying I'm seeing a parallel between this and that

[lone anvil]

most things seem resolved at the moment, I just dont have friendly gladius frames now

[worthy crag]

I didn't know friendly gladius frames even existed

[orchid plinth]

You need to enable the setting to use Raid Style party frames, search for it in settings

It's important together with BigDebuffs to easier see what's happening to your teammates

[lone anvil]

gotcha

[worthy crag]

I just use default raid-style frames for team with class-color enabled and then put up a bunch of WA auras to show when debuffs are on them

I guess I did more complicated work for the same result

although, WA gets updated way more frequently and reliably than bigdebuffs so

[orchid plinth]

Pretty sure the SkillCapped package has it but it won't work if you don't use Raid Style Party frames.

[worthy crag]

I guess my UI gets broken less?

[lone anvil]

I want the big plates for teamates with big Display of how long HoTS are up on them (for when im on myhealer) and i want big icons of dispellable CC so when im healing i can dispel HoJ and polly

[lone anvil]

im using those now, ty'

its almost dialed in

thanks everyone

[vocal ginkgo]

np, glad it's working for you

[indigo hill]

Pvp quest for sparks is doing the relog delete thing again

[sharp sierra]

I feel like I don't do enough damage

[worthy crag]

oh it's a relog delete bug?

I thought they changed it so it's a "daily" now

I was wondering why I could pick it up every day

[indigo hill]

Yeah if you relog the quest is deleted

[lone anvil]

What week do they remove conquest cap

And let us FREEBALL

[lavish gorge]

The week where you already have your entire conquest set.

[lone anvil]

So in like 3 weeks basically

[lavish gorge]

Indeed. I'm more so just waiting on my silk at this point.

Get my 4 pcs, then get slayer of the deeps, and maybe just take a step back for a week.

If that fucking world quest would EVER POP

[indigo hill]

The fending off darkness one?

[warped gate]

I had to ditch so many pieces to get Haste to reach the threshold for Keep it Rolling, so I got greens when I should have epics already, and even then some of the epics I bought was the wrong one.

Can’t wait until they ditch the cap.

[lone anvil]

Yeah. I accidently bought the feral staff on my rDruid with the free wep token.

So next week I'll finally have enough bloody tokens to get a BT weapon

But I still can't wait for conquest cap to be done away with

[warped gate]

Thaaaaank goodness that you can recraft items without the weekly stuff, that’s been a godsend.

[lone anvil]

Wait what do you mean by this explain it like I'm 5 (mentally I am)

[warped gate]

Like to craft a PvP item you need three of those PvP ribbons for 150 Conquest each.

To recraft it, those three ribbons are already provided and you don’t need more Conquest.

[lone anvil]

Whaaaaat

Per character or per account

[warped gate]

So if you wanna swap from Crit to Haste, all you gotta do is spend gold for the recraft.

Per item.

[lone anvil]

Yeah that's awesome

But like

If I craft a leather goggles with heraldries on my druid

Can I now craft that without heraldries on my rogue

Is it per character or per account

[potent pivot]

no

you can only recraft the specific item

[warped gate]

Oh nah, but your Rogue will have catch up so you can get what you want on the first try.

[potent pivot]

for different stats or embellishments

[lone anvil]

No get that

[potent pivot]

surely you know how to recraft items by now

[lone anvil]

I have only ever crafted something the initial time

I've never had a reason to re-craft anything

[lavish gorge]

Yes

[lone anvil]

What would the purpose be of recrafting, just to like change embellishments? Seems like a lot of people are still using Duskthread

If I swapped to another spec I'd re-craft

[potent pivot]

to change embellishments or stats

[lone anvil]

If I had different stat priorities

But I haven't really had a reason to re-craft so far.

[potent pivot]

in DF things were more strict

we only had a few crafted items to choose from, and had to use pve shared currency to craft etc

[jolly sierra]

switch embelishment or raise ilvl

[lone anvil]

Ahhhh I never played in DF

[lone anvil]

ILvL is just for PvE right

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

no

[lone anvil]

Cause they all scale to 639 in PvP

[jolly sierra]

if u have for example a green trophy

[lone anvil]

Ohhhhh

[jolly sierra]

u will need to recraft

[lavish gorge]

Love my purple ribbons. Full 610 pve scales to 639 feels really really good

[jolly sierra]

to use purple ones

[lone anvil]

I have never even used the green trophies

[jolly sierra]

is an example

[lone anvil]

Idk what they're for tbh. They don't sell for anything and they make worse gear than the bloody/conquest/ purple algari

[potent pivot]

the blue ones are good for fresh chars

[jolly sierra]

in DF if u wanted to update ur pvp items

[lone anvil]

I was always baffled by all the green heraldries I got lol

[jolly sierra]

u needed both a spark and the season trophy

if ur server worked for cheap sometimes was a better idea just to order a new one with a cheap tip

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[fervent cobalt]

ElvUI imo is sick af I use it but what information is hidden?

I also use WA and glad. But those are probably the only ones I need.

[candid tide]

betteblizzplates is the goated addon of this expansion

[potent pivot]

omnicc, omnicd, omnibar, the list goes on

[lone anvil]

What kinda nifty shit can I do with it

[potent pivot]

but a lot of elvui profiles i see people use even hide target/focus frame information

[candid tide]

its so nice

[lone anvil]

I have it but don't really know it's potential

[potent pivot]

just click on the button for Magnusz profile and most things should be done for you

[candid tide]

u can put only the necessary debuffs and buffs on targets nameplates at your liking

imo its the better bigdebuff now with all the customizations included

since bigdebuff can only show 1 single thing at a time on nameplates

[fervent cobalt]

My arena frames Dr just hidden

[lone anvil]

Should I only use one or the other instead of both

Either big debuff or betterblizzplates

Does one override the other

[potent pivot]

nah

both are good

[candid tide]

i have bigdebuff still, but i turn it off on nameplate

and only to show ccs on unit frames

then i put for each classess the debuffs and buffs i wanna track in betterblizzplates

[lone anvil]

What's this

[lone anvil]

The biggest thing I need rn on my resto druid is I want dispellable CCs on friendly frames so big that it's like the big print elderly people need to read

Because my 2s partner says the biggest thing I need to work on is dispelling sheep's, fears, and plots and stuff

[fervent cobalt]

yes

[lone anvil]

Poly*

[fervent cobalt]

You need to do that

[candid tide]

thats the thing u can do with betterblizzplates idd

[lone anvil]

I see an option for that in BigDebuffs

[candid tide]

yeah

but u see bigdebuffs can only show 1 thing at a time

[lone anvil]

Okay okay

[candid tide]

so when it shows u that the enemy has popped avatar

[lone anvil]

Gimme a sec let me pull up my game

[candid tide]

u cant see whats underlying

maybe he has a trinket popped too

or some extra etc

[fervent cobalt]

in match

WHat other info is needed

[candid tide]

u need cleaner arena frames imo

[fervent cobalt]

wtf

really

[potent pivot]

you're missing a lot

[candid tide]

or not maybe im overthinking

[fervent cobalt]

explain

[potent pivot]

your target/focus frames look almost nonexistent

[fervent cobalt]

I dont need a focus cuz I use frame sort

So @targethealer

[potent pivot]

you should always use a focus

regardless

[fervent cobalt]

Curious why?

[lone anvil]

Any chance you can screen share for me

[potent pivot]

you can't see anyone's active buffs or debuffs

[candid tide]

i can send u the layout code for better blizzplates then u can import it urself if u know how to

[fervent cobalt]

its over there Name plate

[lone anvil]

Sure!

[potent pivot]

that's not showing you everything that's going on at all

[lone anvil]

And then I keep big debuffs on I just turn it off for nameplates?

[candid tide]

yeah thats my take

[potent pivot]

i keep it on i think

[candid tide]

the bigdebuff big ass icon on nameplates is distracting imo

but thats me

[potent pivot]

it shows when they use defensives, offensives etc

lemme check

[orchid plinth]

I've been using OmniAuras indead of BigDebuffs, its kinda the same but feels more modern. Made by the same dude that made OmniCD. So the configuration is very good.

It sets up the RaidFrames really nicely with several debuffs in different sizes, easy to see CCs, scary debuffs, etc

But BigDebuffs is literally like.. the same

[potent pivot]

omniauras is slightly different

[orchid plinth]

Just make sure to enable the setting for Raid frames, to show more debuffs

[potent pivot]

the priority list is different iirc

[fervent cobalt]

Im tripping what should I be keeping track of I can see when things like, PI, PS, Avatar, blur, true shot, like all the big ones.

[potent pivot]

it isn't just the big stuff you should pay attention to, there's load of things

[orchid plinth]

Not showing debuffs on your party frames is a big nono

Just knowing if they have 7 dots or 1 dot on them for example

[fervent cobalt]

Okay.

[lavish gorge]

Embrace minimalism

[fervent cobalt]

I can fix that

[orchid plinth]

I am exagerating but point still stands

[potent pivot]

being able to see HoTs on enemies is also huge

[fervent cobalt]

I dont know that

Hot and dots I dont track that much

[orchid plinth]

I mean you can do all the with Elv it's just that the defaults are not sane for PvP. You would have to create your own filters which is very doable just a lot of job.

[lavish gorge]

Yo quick question. Fury warrior stun immunity. Am I just out of range of cheap shot, or are the little scamps un cc able in their little tornado

[potent pivot]

they're immune during bladestorm

[fervent cobalt]

Yea im about to imput all these manualy lol

[lavish gorge]

Excellent. So the answer is avoid the whirlwind

[potent pivot]

not whirlwind

[fervent cobalt]

Step to your healer

[potent pivot]

bladestorm

[fervent cobalt]

for bladestorm

[lavish gorge]

Oh is that also an ability name for them lmao

[potent pivot]

those are 2 different abilities

[lavish gorge]

What are the superficial differences? Ones a bit if a yellowish windy nado and the other?

Sorry im unused to having to deal with their abilities because they melt

[orchid plinth]

The first thing you should do if you are using Elv is to remove all the filters for your target and your focus. It's hiding so much information by default.

[potent pivot]

I would recommend watching some YT videos about proper pvp UI and listen to all the reasoning behind them

[potent pivot]

Bladestorm is when they spin fast for multiple seconds, whirlwind is just 1 small spin

Start a warrior class trial

And press some abilities n shit

[lavish gorge]

Ah then no misunderstandings. And nah I'm good. Solid advice but cba

[potent pivot]

My life story

Can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink

[lavish gorge]

The water would have to be in one of those hamster things by my bed before ill drink

[orchid plinth]

Just watch another tier list video on YouTube

[lavish gorge]

Too easy, swapping off outlaw xD

Playing lock, mage or unholy dk.

Drustvar told me to

[potent pivot]

I think you meant to say feral and spriest

[lavish gorge]

Ohhh yeah

Sorry my meta is dated by a month or so

Ferals bully me

[fervent cobalt]

Thanks ill work on it and repost you can tell me what you think. Ill make sure I can see all hots and bleeds

[potent pivot]

The main HoTs you want are rdru hots

[fervent cobalt]

okay ill get all of them

[potent pivot]

But there’s a lot of other buffs/debuffs that are inportant

[fervent cobalt]

yea ill try and get them all as I go.

is 10 each enough? @potent pivot

[waxen meteor]

@fervent cobalt good work, i think i am ready to copy and paste in a few days

[fervent cobalt]

lol

Thanks im filtering out useless and redundent information atm.

[waxen meteor]

I use very basic UI tbh

[fervent cobalt]

I cant use the shit blizz UI looks like poopoo

[sharp sierra]

does our damage get significantly better with gear or am I just bad? I'm about 620 ilvl

[potent pivot]

You don’t even have full honor gear?

[sharp sierra]

I do and some 639, just missing 1 piece of pvp gear

639(6) i forget the 2 pieces

gonna grab a conquest finger shortly and i will be full

[potent pivot]

You should be above 620 in pvp combat then I think

[sharp sierra]

all goods

im doing ok, only issue is disc priest

[fervent cobalt]

The amount of useless shit buff and debuffs track is INSANE. why do I need to know about dudes syriding. lmfao

This filter is gonna be HUGE

[sharp sierra]

can you filter on plater?

[fervent cobalt]

dont need shit like this

im doing it on Elvui

on unit frame

[sharp sierra]

ah

[halcyon field]

Hey guys, actually, i would like a weakaura that warns me when it uses " bladestorm " its possible ?

[fervent cobalt]

like lmfao

[halcyon timber]

Yes but can just track it in their nameplate

[gusty stream]

Honestly switching back from my evoker to rogue again. Just gotta figure out PvP as rogue once more. Any recommendations on specs and such? 🤔

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are doing well, just play the one you like tbh

[lavish gorge]

Agree. I was having a ton of fun running outlaw in bg's last night farming artifact

All the classes have the same basic principles of rogue, that if adhered to will carry you through 80 to 90 percent of your fights.

Set the tempo. Play on your terms, not theirs, simply because you can. The most addicting part of the kit for me honestly.

Nothing more satisfying than watching someone waffle a bunch of cd's while you slink away

Specializations* not classes. Sorry I'm 24/7 sleepy.

[gusty stream]

LMFAOOO Same here man. Ive been playing assassination lately just bc I feel more energy starved as sub. Too used to playing spammy as devastation evoker. My goal for rn tho is just to hit 1800 somewhere for that set, currently sitting 1600 as assassination. Gotta get more practice in LOL

[safe pelican]

Assa into Frost Mage go Brrrrrrrrrr

Resto / Disc

UDK, Assa ( me ) , FM , SP … went 4-2 watched Nahj a decent bit play assa and i was really playing it like sub before im liking it a lot now after forcing myself to play it to duck the sub nerf 🦆

That dual target pressure is niceeeee

[warped gate]

Big dick Outlaw.

Yeah, it's the worst out of the specs and you're prolly gonna get your cheeks clapped in the process but goddammit, you gonna have fun in the process.

[runic trench]

The biggest problem with rogue is the queue times for solo shuffle

Like 15 min

But that’s a dps issue

[torpid swan]

nahj went 4 set?

and a few other rogues

[potent pivot]

idk

someone brought up earlier the Trill went 4set

[torpid swan]

ah

[potent pivot]

most people are still 2 set though

[torpid swan]

i just asked him and he just got 4 pc for sin (but also mentions that trill does go 4 piece for tourney)

[potent pivot]

yeh he's the only one i've seen go 4set for tourney though

so

[lucid citrus]

I would go 2 set for Sub. Mostly the sub players have 4 set because they play Assa too

[graceful ravine]

hows outlaw in blitz after the changes?

[gusty stream]

Ive not tried shuffling since I got 4set. Still torn between tryna push from 1600 to 1800 as assassination or just playing sub from 0 since I could def use the practice playing sub. Also dunno if my mmr will be better or worse 💀

[warped gate]

Ayyo, just wanna give a blanket, "Fuck you." to any Prot Pally who queues up for Shuffle.

[gusty stream]

They deserve it and then some

[lavish gorge]

My fellow outlaws, are any of you running KiR in pvp?

[warped gate]

I am. :>

[lavish gorge]

How is that going for you friend?

[graceful ravine]

@hybrid sapphire gg sir

[lavish gorge]

I'm running HO fatebound.

[warped gate]

Ehhhhhhh..
*wiggles hand sideways*

[hybrid sapphire]

I was yelling in that chat

[lavish gorge]

@graceful ravine What build are you running?

[lavish gorge]

That's about the answer I expected, honestly. Good for you tho o.o

[warped gate]

I was already getting my cheeks clapped and hovering around 1600, figured I might as well have fun while I'm here.

[lavish gorge]

Hell yeah.

[graceful ravine]

assa Fatebound

[lone anvil]

Bro what happened to your rating 😭 🥲

[potent pivot]

An alt I think

[lone anvil]

Ahhh gotcha

Smurfin Deez hoes, hell yeah

[graceful ravine]

smurfing is funsies

[lavish gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disappointed-disgusting-disgusted-looking-gif-6561690286467128067

I'm both repulsed yet intrigued.

If I hadn't gone all in on outlaw, I might be tempted to join the dot brotherhood

[graceful ravine]

im tempted to play outlaw

but doesnt look appealing in blitz

looks fun in shuffle tho

[vivid prawn]

could sum1 help a brand new rogue and pvp noob with my opener? i'm trying to learn palumor's but having trouble

[indigo hill]

I'm having fun with it in blitz. Grappling hook makes it fun to chase after fcs.

[graceful ravine]

hows your damage tho

[sharp sierra]

what class/spec counters disc priest the best*

[lavish gorge]

Outlaw feels best to me in blitz out of the rest. The only other time I really do pvp is when i'm memeing around epic bg's

@sharp sierra 5+ people = counter to disc

You'll find it really hard no matter what you are to kill a good disc priest

[sharp sierra]

it's so hard omg

[lavish gorge]

You need to resist the urge of CC'ing them constantly

CC'ing them benefits them way more than it does you.

You need to pressure him full send 24/7.

[sharp sierra]

which of our specs plays best against them? (im assass)

[lavish gorge]

Make him burn his CD's.

They all play about the same, but if I had to venture sub and assa would fair better.

DoT's are great passive pressure.

That said, I once killed a disc priest because I got like 7 BtE resets in a row

God did not like that priest

[sharp sierra]

so just straight dps no cc?

[lavish gorge]

musta been a heretic or sum

Some cc is fine. Interrupting the appropriate spells is more important. Don't lock him out of mindblast, but maybe knock em out of his big def/heal cd's

[sharp sierra]

penance/ fh ?

[lavish gorge]

Hm hm.

Your best bet though is to do the most rogue thing

set up sap, get ready to cc, and coordinate with your team to have him dead by the time your cc window ends.

Sap really sets up everything. If they trinket out of sap, they're toast.

[sharp sierra]

it's hard with randoms

[lavish gorge]

Very true. That's pug life babyyyy

[sharp sierra]

especially low rating as im just starting out

[lavish gorge]

I find asking people to let me sap really helps

I ask nicely

it....doesn't always help but

more often than not it's better than not asking

Usually sap priest, then cheap shot kill targets

[sharp sierra]

are u assass?

[lavish gorge]

Nope. Outlaw.

[sharp sierra]

oh outlaw

mb

[lavish gorge]

I like my guns. My vulpera is a crazed murder rat.

[sharp sierra]

nice we just 3v1 one of them lol

[lavish gorge]

One of my absolute favorite things to do. And they're giving us 2 more of those

Sad about shadowstep. But zipping all around the place is gonna be mega cracked. I'm coming for you mage teleporters!

[sharp sierra]

does any assasss players have a specific spec designed just for disc priests?

[indigo hill]

For me hook feels better than step. It has its uses ofc and maybe I'm getting old but my brain doesn't like the sudden jump into another location. 😂

[lavish gorge]

I think the tradeoff is worth it.

Huge gap closers

Big disengage.