pvp

[hidden moth]

guardian does a bit more dps than prot war but prot war takes 0 damage in keys lol

[lone anvil]

Yeah that's probably accurate. I rarely PvE and when I do I don't tank anymore

[hidden moth]

ret war have similar stuff, melee punch it with 2h and crank damage

ele sham destro

destro evoker, essence is basically soul shards disentegrate=chaos boly

[lone anvil]

Well ret and warrior don't use the same resource and ret uses combo points and warrior doesn't. So that's a stretch

They both wear plate and swing weapons

[hidden moth]

ret uses holy power not combos big diff

[lone anvil]

None of those examples are more similar than rogue/feral though

Ele/destro - big difference for me is mobility and tankiness. Destro is a sitting duck outside of gate. And wears cloth. Ele wears chain and has wolf form. Plus shards is a pretty big difference in playstyle. Id say they are similar in a broad sense. Like all caster dps are kinda similar and all melee DPS are kinda similar

But wow has done a good job at class diversity. So asking you to chose a closer similarity is kind of a troll argument on my end lol

Rogues and ferals can be the most similar out of all of the classes and still be very very different

[abstract breach]

Like for example League had bronze-silver-gold-platinum-diamond-master-challenger I think. What would 1.8k cr be. Just curious

[potent pivot]

I don’t think there’s any real correlation there

1.8k is mostly considered average

[abstract breach]

Is there perhaps a website to view what percentile you are in?

[potent pivot]

There is but they include 200cr players that only played a couple games

So not super reliable for that type of data

[hidden moth]

gate port and racials, shards is basically the elemental power ele has js

u build it and then spend it

[lone anvil]

Ahhhh didn't know that

I haven't played ele since WOTLK

[hidden moth]

and just bc lock is in clothj

they have lots of beef

[lone anvil]

Meh. I don't think so

[hidden moth]

demonic armor basically puts thier armor equal to shamans even with shield

[lone anvil]

I think a destro warlock is a much easier kill target than a ele shaman personally

[hidden moth]

they get absorb shields from damage done

[hidden moth]

sec

[supple pulsar]

yoyo how to deal vs double dragon as assa in arena ? x)

[hidden moth]

https://youtu.be/CeYBcvgNYuo?si=Xjl-TKdQzRTMU0e0

enjoy

[hidden moth]

cry

[supple pulsar]

yeah i guess 😦

[hidden moth]

pray their hovers run out and los their bursts

step ur heal when they pop star and stuff

[lone anvil]

Im watching. I still think it's a stretch to apply this to a statement like destro locks are as tanky or tankier than ele shamans...

[supple pulsar]

i mean dealing vs theyre dmg is not my problem problem is being able to do actual dmg Kappa

[lone anvil]

For some reason the polling ability is disabled in this discord. But I wanna poll people and see if they think destro is an easier kill target

I think ele is one of the hardest casters to kill

And aside from boomkin, destro Lock is probably easiest

I think you're just arguing for devils advocate at this point and I respect that, cause I do the same thing lol @hidden moth

[safe pelican]

Double dragon vs assa ?

Alt f4 brother

[hollow carbon]

A good warlock is def harder to kill than a good ele, a bad warlock is easier to kill than a bad ele imo

[lone anvil]

We are talking destro though? Isn't destro the squishiest of the 3 specs? What makes a good destro hard to kill.

Shamans have slow totems. Grounding totems. Wolf form. Heavier armor. Heals. Tons of CC

[hollow carbon]

A good warlock can rotate their cc with port and shield they can press while stunned

[lone anvil]

How many ports? 1 on a fairly long timer

[hollow carbon]

An ele has nothing but slows and static field which is kinda eady to play around

[lone anvil]

Or is there a way to get a second port

[lone anvil]

Slows and wolf is enough to kite most melee DPS. And grounding totem and wind sheer is good vs casters

[hidden moth]

demo

[lone anvil]

@hollow carbon the base argument. Is he was alledging that destro warlock and ele shaman are more similar than rogue is to feral druid

[hollow carbon]

You cannot kick fear or you get chaos bolted, if you kidney them they will shield, if you are feared and get dispelled re-fear, if you are on fear dr they will coil into stun if you step on them they will port etc

[hidden moth]

port is 15 second cd

the gateway is 90 seconds

but u can do some shit with porty

[lone anvil]

We aren't talking about what counters a rogue. We are talking about which caster is going to be more survivable vs all the comps in ladder and pro play

And I don't even see people play destro Lock. Maybe now after Affliction nerfs people will play

[hollow carbon]

I see, I guess there isn’t enough dmg in instants for destro warlock anymore so affliction is just better in its current iteration

I would say warlock in general is quite different to ele

Devastation is more like ele

[lone anvil]

I haven't played dragon cause ugly

So I'll take your word for it

But both seem tanky and good at kiting

[hidden moth]

lock

[hollow carbon]

Would argue that boomy is more similar to ele than lock

[hidden moth]

jagz played both before aff nerf

fair

[lone anvil]

Jahz is just one dude

[hidden moth]

one dude with multi r1s

[lone anvil]

We saw 4 ele shamans in awc and I don't remember seeing a single destro

Sure but like

Anyone who mains a class can make it shine but that isnt the same as an average player picking it up

[hollow carbon]

You shouldn’t forget that usually an ele player ain’t gonna play lock and vice versa. A warlock main will play any warlock spec which is good enough instead of swapping to another class instead

[lone anvil]

Yeah I still think the closest similarity between specs from different classes

Are rogue/feral

And Spriest/Affliction

To @hollow carbon s point. A destro Lock may not swap to another class for AWC if destro is bad he may play affliction.

But we saw a few rogues swap to feral

So that also tells us something.

[hollow carbon]

Rogue is still quite different to feral, you could make a point about feral/assa, but ferals have more def utility for their team. So the similarity is mostly in how they deal dmg

[lone anvil]

Yeah you can scroll up we had that debate already lmao 🤣

I said feral was the 4th rogue spec. everyone disagreed. I asked him to name two specs more similar. He said ele/destro

Now you're full circle

[supple pulsar]

who care 2m cd 5s blind when u can do it with a single cyclone Keepo

[hollow carbon]

Blind is Instant and cyclone a cast tho 🤓

[supple pulsar]

fair enough

[hidden moth]

anyone in the awc should make it shine as well

[hidden moth]

prot war guardian druid

[lone anvil]

We see a lot of ele shamans in AWC rn and no destro locks. And alot of rogues, like drake and a few others swapped from rogue to feral so idk. There's no definitive right answer to this question honestly.

[potent pivot]

Warr/dh

[hidden moth]

^

[hidden moth]

tbh i dont keep up with the awc

only care about semi and finals

same 6 teams every awc anyways though

[hollow carbon]

I think rogue is most often considered way better than feral so usually any rogue main wouldn’t bother too much with playing feral

[lone anvil]

Hmmm I haven't played DH but this seems instinctively wrong.

I was told DH is a glass cannon high mobility turn and burn spec. And warrior is a plate wearing brawler hang in the middle of the pack face tank and spin

[hidden moth]

warriors are squishy

[hollow carbon]

And they only play feral if the can play FMP, cause usually they play RMP. Ferals are generally just good with jungle

[lone anvil]

But warrior is made to spin and hang in the fight. DH is high mobility. Come in land your combo. Move. Reset. More mobile.

They seem fundamentally different roles

Can you trade a DH for a warrior inside of comps fairly easily?

[lone anvil]

Love cats

Dh seems more similar to WW monk

[hollow carbon]

DH are very similar to WW in dmg profile and mobility so I know some WW who hate that.. since usually DHs are better tuned

[hollow carbon]

You def can and we saw that in DF

At least when melee/caster comps are meta

It mostly comes down to tuning really

[lone anvil]

So warrior and DH are the most similar DPS specs in the game

[hidden moth]

hahaha

no dh legit will sit on u

that mobility isnt to kite

its to keep on u so u dont get away

[hidden moth]

yes

aoe stun st stun, fear and cage with aoe ms

and a magic dispell

[lone anvil]

When I returned to the game I specifically asked a DH main the role of DH and if it was squishy and bursty loke a rogue or tanky and brawly like a warrior and he told me it wasn't similar to either

[hidden moth]

2 charges 2 dashes retreat and heroic leap

[hollow carbon]

Melees generally are more similar to each other than caster

[hidden moth]

im a dh main lol

[hidden moth]

legit picked up rogue this season, dh 1800 set s2 s3 s4 of df and 2500+ mythic score and aotc as vengence

[hidden moth]

only one back dash not 2 dude doesnt know what he speaks of

[lone anvil]

So why was ele/destro your first answer if you're a DH main and think it's similar to warrior

[hidden moth]

mastery makes u do more damage with chaos dfamage there is a talent that lets mastery also give small % movement speed

bc its what came to mind

if i asked u to name a food are u going to tell me the first that pops to mind or ur favorite of all time

[lone anvil]

He hasn't PvPd on DH since SL he just does PvE tabking on DH now. So maybe that's okay data or maybe he remembers wrong idk

[hidden moth]

so ur going off an outdated source of info

[dull bridge]

blind leading the blind today huh

[lone anvil]

Umm if you asked me which two foods were most similar i wouldnt say my favorite or whichever one first came to mind

[hidden moth]

anyways this is getting off topic

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-satoru-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-7280593681001594903

[lone anvil]

No? I prefaced everything I said by saying I don't really know much about dh outside of what I've heard from others

[hidden moth]

uy said bro didnt play since sl

[lone anvil]

He still plays DH just not PvP I figure he had a pulsr

[hidden moth]

thats anywhere between 2-4 years of him being out of the game

[lone anvil]

No thia is what I said. I claimed to be ignorant. I didn't claim to have current info

[hidden moth]

dh can face tank

[lone anvil]

I alluded to the fact all my knowledge is anecdotal

Stop claiming I said things I never said

You keep twisting everything into weird straw man arguments

I even admitted my initial challenge to find specs that are similar was trolling and that blizz does a good job at class diversity

[static pawn]

Dh is very hard to kill yeah

They statistically die first the least iirc

Out of any class

[lone anvil]

That's a pretty insane stat lol

[hidden moth]

dks are so annoying

blood dk just

70% slow grip, grip abom limb in blitz

while im on a disc

dks need to be nerfed into the dirt

and discs need a buff

give us door of shadows on a 15 second cd since u took mind games from us

[ember elbow]

dks are in the dirt already

[merry zodiac]

Outlaw's kinda fun in PvP

Enjoy it more than sin/sub, anyway

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLIvzNe1DYg meanwhile on world of magecraft

[hidden moth]

no they arnt

still a tier

either nerf grip to a 1 min cd

or give priest door of shadows on a 15 second cd

[lone anvil]

Dks are hard counters for specific specs like hunters and some casters and hunters are strong rn

[ember elbow]

or learn to play the game? priest doesnt need any door of shadoes and grip doesnt need a nerf

[ember elbow]

how do dks counter hunters?

[lone anvil]

Idk... grip? I don't play DK or hunter.

My 2v2 and 3v3 partner is a mm hunter and he's a fucking unit regularly goes 20-1, 12-0 top damage in bgs we do. I ask him if there's anything he can't kill and he said dks ruin his fucking day.

[safe pelican]

lol Magegod is different

Bro does not touch grass there’s no way

[ember elbow]

weird, dks cant facetank or outdamage a hunter or kite without a pillar

[lone anvil]

Yeah idk maybe it's the class he hasn't learned to counter yet. But he says he struggles with dks more than any other class

He also hates healers but everyone hates fighting healers lol

[potent pivot]

"or am i"

lmao

[indigo hill]

Didn't he get banned for a while?

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft

this little intro sequence they got going is cool

[lone anvil]

Hell yeah

[orchid plinth]

Fucking banger

[potent pivot]

liquid vs power toads for first round today

and i think the loser is eliminated from this cup

[vocal ginkgo]

How do I get the chest that has the forged gladiator’s heraldries inside? I forgot

[orchid plinth]

Let's go Trill Outlaaaaw

[potent pivot]

the first 9 you get for free? you just win pvp games

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah, these

rated games? or it doesnt matter?

[potent pivot]

i don't think it matters

i always got mine from rated but people have told me that you can get them in unrated

[vocal ginkgo]

gotcha thanks

[orchid plinth]

I got mine after a normal BG win but I don't know for sure what the thing you need to do it

Play sum PeeVeePee

[vocal ginkgo]

havent been able to win a random bg yet lol

but just geared super fast from 580 pvp ilvl to like 610ish after doing the sparks of war quest and managed to loot 2 pvp crates

on a fresh 80 I lvled yesterday

[pliant mauve]

Yeah gearing feels crazy fast. Started gearing another rogue yesterday in all greens and now I’m one piece shy of 4 set.

[stoic spruce]

I meant its good that fw is bad

[vocal ginkgo]

crazy haha

[potent pivot]

[orchid plinth]

Trill DPSing like a world first raider

[hidden moth]

No legit, a dk can kidnap ur disc priest in blitz. 70% slow and the grips make it so u can legit sit in a corner with the priest and by the time he gets to max grip range ur grip is off cd even if he uses penance and feather speed boosts

[celest tusk]

What is the plan after sub dies in 11.0.5 release? Assa?

[potent pivot]

i'm sure sub will still be viable

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot well I did some tests on ptr..first of all..thistle tea proc is disgusting u can proc it very easily in case you do not watch energy..secondly you giga feel the cdr remove talent...with bargains thief though u can have shadowblades like every 1 min..plus u get more charges for sod so u basically use this for energy regen and u save tea for bursts etc cuz if u get out of tea charges it feels like it takes forever to take back 1 charge(1 min requires for 1)..idk..its not that bad but the tea auto proc is disgusting ngl

[potent pivot]

you should already be watching energy now

pretty fundamental mechanic of rogue

[celest tusk]

Never had issues in pvp with energy tbh in latest months

[potent pivot]

i think triple symbols+supercharge is going to be kind of insane

[celest tusk]

Plus I noticed that u actually now need 100% finisher moves in order to get back shadow dance faster(reduce cdr I mean)..so if u waste em for cc mostly like in blitz etc it's hard to get it back now if u haven't used finisher moves

It's way different gameplay

And u actually really have to calculate things more than before cuz u might find urself

Legit big useless if u waste sd charges,tea etc...hard to get em back

[potent pivot]

dance cdr is the same as before minus vanish cdr

[lone anvil]

If khalvish is supposed to be the Michael Jordan of rogues what's he doing on feral

Unless.... Feral is 4th rogue spec 🤔

[potent pivot]

....

kalvish plays multiple classes

[lone anvil]

Check mate

[celest tusk]

In conclusion for the casual guy if he did mistakes with vanish he could back it up and continue either to get the kill or finish what he started..now that u will not have vanish cdr if you do mistakes it's gg

[lone anvil]

So far I've only seen him on one 😎

[potent pivot]

vanish cdr makes the spec more complicated

losing it is not going to be that big of a deal for the casual player

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot for the casual..once u understand how to play with the cdr vanish everything changes big time

Happened to me^

But yeh what I hated most after tests is the tea auto proc

U will see soon..disgusting

[potent pivot]

i don't need to see

i've already tested

to me it makes zero difference

[idle root]

PSA: you lose your socketed gem when you turn a gear piece into a tier piece

[celest tusk]

But why even put it auto proc etc?it's just a bad change

[potent pivot]

indeed

[idle root]

-7k

[potent pivot]

it just doesn't matter

pool your energy like you should've been doing from day 1

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot I mean u never had to pool from day 1 lol...if u did so u shud be doing smthng very wrong or clueless

[potent pivot]

if you aren't pooling some sort of energy outside of dance, you are the clueless one i'm sorry

[celest tusk]

Depends what is the current scenario...arena?blitz?cc?like what..

It was not even mandatory perma to pool some sort of energy outside dance like never lol

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-you-right-now-internet-fight-cyber-fight-fighting-over-the-internet-gif-5014852

[celest tusk]

Unless u smash every key like maniac.

[worthy crag]

yeah pooling isnt rly a thing rn

with thistle and vigor

[celest tusk]

It does not even exist with current toolkit of sub.

Guy shud be talkin about classic wow lmao

[worthy crag]

for sub anyway

Law still pools i think

[potent pivot]

So you agree then

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot but ur not playing fury

@potent pivot and even if u still do this as sub u won't have any issues with current design of sub and the pool rate he gets back

[potent pivot]

I disagree

[celest tusk]

We actually discuss something that right now does not even exist tbh

As of sub current design

If law yeh we talkin

[potent pivot]

resource management doesn't exist

sure man

[tribal badger]

law never pools

law has the most energy regen of all 3 specs

[potent pivot]

it definitely does, and now with the tea change you better get used to it. all i'm sayin

[tribal badger]

laws generation is also tied to pressing abilities

so pooling actively reduces ur energy gen

[worthy crag]

7 cp + finality is more of a management factor for sub than energy, as long as the game hasnt dragged long enough that ur completely out of thistle

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot might take 1-2 days for xp guy..for casual more

[worthy crag]

I can see people ditching vigor ans thistle with the patch and then ull have to be real anal about pooling

its literally just vigor + thistle build that removes it from consideration

sub is feast or famine, no in between

Is kalvish in a diff team this awc?

[celest tusk]

This

[potent pivot]

he's playing rn

they changed some players or team name

"silk tigers"

[worthy crag]

o that must be it then

[potent pivot]

i mean you basically agreed with my point earlier

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot I did not.it just does not exist for sub with current design.

[potent pivot]

you can't be slamming buttons like a maniac. you have to be sure you have energy ready for CC and honestly you should be pooling energy before sending solo dances

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot even people that play sub rogue like 1-2 days will complain for many things but for energy regen never as for current design..idk what u talkin about or what u think is my xp to perma warn me about energy regen and I shud be getting used to it xD

Ur obsessed or smthng lol

[potent pivot]

what

you're the one that's been complaining about something that should make zero difference

resource management is like the most basic fundamental mechanic in wow

[celest tusk]

I meant that tea change is disgusting pointless

What's ur problem?

U created

[potent pivot]

???????

[celest tusk]

Something that is not even a problem for anyone rn for sub(pool management)

[potent pivot]

whatever you say man

[celest tusk]

Yes whatever move on

[potent pivot]

drop it if you can't have a discussion

[jolly sierra]

why newcomers are so conflictive

[celest tusk]

I can't have discussion with obsessed people no thanks

[worthy crag]

Energy has been a huge problem for sub since the rework in mid-DF imo, just covered up by the thislte tea + vigor bandaid

if ur playing with any sort of a default 100 energy build its actually miserable

[celest tusk]

@worthy crag we talk current design like please.

[potent pivot]

"obsessed people" are you still talking about someone else instead of the matter at hand

[worthy crag]

the current design is the one that the rework introduced.

[celest tusk]

Whatever pro...please make a guide for me I need lessons for pool management

[potent pivot]

resorting to weird insults instead of leaving it alone

[celest tusk]

Or I will not make it after 11
0.5

[potent pivot]

[celest tusk]

Ur the one trying to make me clueless and u also called me one

So who insults who?

[worthy crag]

you can barely backstab to kill totems when ur on a 100 energy build

or when people were briefly playing rotten + goremaw instead of vigor

they had to really plan out their backstabs to build perforated veins

[jolly sierra]

[potent pivot]

"not spamming gcd's like a maniac" to me is the same thing as pooling

[worthy crag]

I remember at one point untalenting shiv cuz I couldn't even have the energy to press it

and just replace with focus autoattack macro button to apply snare on healers

[potent pivot]

holy shit

that sounds miserable

[worthy crag]

I had it memorized at which energy you could afford to press dance in order to be not starved with the standard burst rotation

[celest tusk]

Guy talking about insults(from my place) and he calls me clueless..what to even discuss anymore.. have fun I'll wait for guide 11.0.5 NoTrickz Pool Management for clueless people.

[worthy crag]

it was like 63~65

with imp shd technique

also part of reason why some very few people ran shadowcraft

it was good enough to make starvation not happen during symbols

[worthy crag]

all those problems still exist, but they are just thrown under the rug called vigor+thistle

[potent pivot]

[lunar granite]

do you guys have any clue how to win blitz as a rogue? im 2.4 in solo / 2v2 every ssn, ik how to exist on the map but in blitz it feels like having more impact than 7 people is impossible

[worthy crag]

you also gotta have a sense of how each bg works.. people who have spent years in rbgs will know more than you

I feel that pretty often

I mean everyone knows how each bg "works" like the ruleset

but then there are people who know more in depth

[lone anvil]

I love every cat Ive ever met and most of the cats I've never met

[lunar granite]

its obviously possible since other ppl are high rated, but honestly i cant imagine how i can convince 7 people to play objectives

[celest tusk]

@lunar granite ask NoTrickz..he also been taking screenshots from every blitz victory and analyse the game

[worthy crag]

idk, rogue is like the one class that never has to talk to the rest of the team

you just kinda do rogue stuff

and hope for the rest

[lime oar]

I got bodied in a duel by a rogue with rotten + PV build

[potent pivot]

Can we just drop it

Stop agging it on

[lone anvil]

LOL I was just going to type most people just say "go do rogue stuff" but few take the time to spell out what that actually is

[lime oar]

This was the build. Dude rocked me

[lone anvil]

I was literally typing it as you said that

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot but why?I'm giving you students to teach em..

[worthy crag]

wait a rotten build with no ER? that looks weird

[lime oar]

That’s what I thought

[last jasper]

[lunar granite]

i think i need to watch some rogue blitz streamer or something. do people even stream that

[lime oar]

I was in a rush to get off the game so didn’t check what he used cold blood on. Prob coup? He was trickster too

[worthy crag]

yeah all the non vigor build subs run trickster

prob coup

you only use CB on finishers cuz rotten crits your generators

[celest tusk]

@last jasper

[potent pivot]

Yeah there’s a couple that do

[worthy crag]

there's uhh

avidance

[potent pivot]

Because we’re getting close to you having a vacation from the server at this point

Weedtyler also streams rogue blitz iirc

[worthy crag]

its not that bad

i had a vacation when i was arguing with the rest of the discord about 6 sec subterfuge and 30 sec kidney

[rancid mist]

Blitz just feels like a mixture of luck, and picking the precise right moment to do something specifc to turn the match

[worthy crag]

you cant eliminate luck from a solo queue gaming environment

[rancid mist]

Sometimes it's impossible though - I had a kotmogu today where everyone seemed on board and then all they did was sit middle. We had a point where all 4 orbs were up and nobody but me on my team went to pcik one lol

[lone anvil]

Is echoing reprimand used alot? I always thought that was a PvE skill like kingsbane or cold blood

[worthy crag]

no

rotten build is a meme

[potent pivot]

Some sub rogues played it before ER got nerfed again

[worthy crag]

yeah it was alright at that point in time

[potent pivot]

Or Reverb got nerfed again I should say

But it was still pretty meme pre nerf

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot u can't deal with it and now ur threatening me from gettin banned or timeout from channel?stop being childish

[potent pivot]

I’m over you being childish and overly argumentative

[celest tusk]

@potent pivot sure..move on now

[lone anvil]

Pikaboo, drake, and kalvish all on feral. What alternate timeline are we in

[potent pivot]

[rancid mist]

Cat rogue

[lone anvil]

Told y'all last week that feral was the best rogue spec ATM

[worthy crag]

idk in what world the devs didnt see this coming

[potent pivot]

I only see assassination kittens

[worthy crag]

literally replace any melee in a XYZ comp with a feral and its 3 times better
literally replace any caster in a XYZ comp with a sp/mage and its 3 times better, 1.5 times better than afflock

[lone anvil]

Exactly. Mew

[jolly sierra]

is ur finger heavy? in a server where im mod that is a insta warn lol

[last jasper]

I recall having an argument with some1 that ppl gonna jump on feral with these 'great' sub reworks 😄 aged well

[lunar granite]

im on a 6 game losing streak at 1300 CR. its frustrating beyond belief to see that what I do doesnt matter

[celest tusk]

@lunar granite ask notrickz he can guide you.happened to me also I need help

[lunar granite]

i think i'll stop doing "rogue things" and go vibe mid with the normal players

[lone anvil]

Honestly

If you start playing to have fun you may do better

I know it's a completely different game. But in valorant when I was always strategy obsessed I'd play bad. But when I was more relaxed and just playing the game and not obsessing over every micro action

[rancid mist]

Yeah, absolutely sucks and feels brutal 'cos there's so little you can do. I've started taking a break if I lose 3 times in a row.

[lone anvil]

I actually had much better games

[potent pivot]

Warnings rarely do much, I manually type out a lot of warnings so people don’t have them on thier log in the server unless I absolutely have to

Like when people post screenshots with filtered words in them

[jolly sierra]

well

remember discipline

[last jasper]

posting filtered words. smart one 😄

[jolly sierra]

even like that ppl will understand why u shouldnt be a douche here

[potent pivot]

Vacation = mute not ban

[lunar granite]

onto a different thing, a warlock dodged my kidney shot. yall have any idea why? gotta be a tww thing

[jolly sierra]

ye a mute

or something

[last jasper]

are u provoking?

[jolly sierra]

no

[potent pivot]

Lots of people don’t realize what words are filtered, that’s why I just delete and try to be cool about it

[jolly sierra]

im just saying even when very ofter here doesnt happens anything

feels w situations like that this place needs some moderation when unusual things are on

[celest tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/swimming-pool-cleaning-las-vegas-pool-gif-15950572

Pool management^

[last jasper]

Bruh, it’s like you are just asking for a mute

[celest tusk]

Who?

@jolly sierra he means you I think

Be careful

[last jasper]

Good one. You can’t be sure if it’s on purpose or not

[potent pivot]

!mute @celest tusk 10h repeatedly trolling after warnings

[jolly sierra]

see

xd

[last jasper]

Yea. A good troll knows when to stop 🤷🏼‍♂️

[lone anvil]

I don't know if I'm a "good" troll but I've somehow avoided a warning so far @potent pivot

[vocal ginkgo]

Is feral hard to play?

[jolly sierra]

there is an art to do that

u know how to and how u dont

and trolling through insults and direct disrespect is just like playing at 1k CR

[last jasper]

Ask trickz lmao

[jolly sierra]

i say, we are rogues

[last jasper]

joking. Kinda yes

[jolly sierra]

feral story wise is probably the hardest melee spec alongside sub

because has a very big dot managing, even higher compared to assa

[lone anvil]

I heard ret paladin was the most skilled melee

[last jasper]

At least they both at 5cp. Unlike idiotic 7 as a sub

[worthy crag]

no its guardian druid

[potent pivot]

You aren’t deliberately trolling/arguing to argue (not always I think at least). Just hard headed

[lone anvil]

Yeah. I'm a happy mix of both. Sometimes I argue just to argue or play devils advocate or see what opinions I can pull out of people. But not always

[potent pivot]

i've played feral for half a day

it seems easy enough, but it does have it's fair share of buttons

[lone anvil]

Is new sub rework that bad

[last jasper]

Are you baiting me to get muted too?

[lone anvil]

Or are you just playing feral for lulz kinda

[potent pivot]

huh lol

you said you were joking

but i actually started gearing my feral this morning

[potent pivot]

i'm getting it ready in case i need it for 3s push

really in case my team wants it over rogue

[last jasper]

The last guy thought he was joking too

[lone anvil]

Oh Gotcha what's your comp

Yeah that makes sense. I level alts for the same reason

[potent pivot]

we all kinda play multiple things

i play all 3 rogue specs, DK, a little warr sometimes

[last jasper]

When one of the best rogues playing feral instead of sub. Pretty much explains everything

[lone anvil]

You mean kalvish right

[potent pivot]

feral is kinda better than sub even before the rework

depending on team/enemy comp a bit

[potent pivot]

kalv, drake, whaazz

only people that have stuck with rogue so far that i remember are nahj/pika

[lone anvil]

Pika was on feral today

[last jasper]

Wait. whazz is feral too?

[potent pivot]

yes lol

well

[lone anvil]

Trill I think stayed on rogue

[potent pivot]

not this weekend

last weekend he won the cup on feral

[last jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-9546693964669088570

[indigo hill]

I'll play feral when saberon form comes back. The forms it has now are horrible to play.

[potent pivot]

this weekend he stayed sub the whole time i think

[potent pivot]

ye true forgot to mention him

[jolly sierra]

shirvallah?

yeh was one of the craziest droods incarnations pvp wise

[indigo hill]

Yeah that one. Best form

[potent pivot]

i don't think i even know what you guys are talking about

[dark gulch]

i have a question
i play both assa and sub but my offspecc is assa, do we play with 2 or 4 set on sub
i guess we play with 4 set on assa but idk
am i right

[jolly sierra]

claws of shirvallah

[indigo hill]

I played feral during wod and that form was the shit. Face looked horrible but the normal running on all 4s and scratching people just icks me.

[jolly sierra]

a drood form added in wod

[last jasper]

Wow. I saw a few games last weekend. He was sub. Damn

[jolly sierra]

it added crazy synergy to feral in pvp

[lone anvil]

I think feral uses 4pc. But I'll double check

[jolly sierra]

lore wise was cursed af maybe because that was removed in legion HAHAHA

[dark gulch]

read again please

[lone anvil]

Meta for rogue is feral 4pc rn

[potent pivot]

maybe it was cup 1. idr exactly but i'm pretty sure he won one of em as feral, remember him being hype about it

[lone anvil]

Read the context of what we have been talking about about lol xD

[lone anvil]

And you'll see the irony

[indigo hill]

This was a druid feral form in wod. Every race had their own skin.

[jolly sierra]

see, even fellow droods despised it

[indigo hill]

For some reason worgen got the snow leopard

[jolly sierra]

and trolls the tiger, but was accurate

[potent pivot]

2p on sub, 4p on assa. if you're playing both but sub is your off spec then idk

[last jasper]

Probably cup 2. Cuz I watched all his games cup 1. They haven’t lost a map until finals

[potent pivot]

oh wtf that looks sick

[lone anvil]

I have a question that may or may not be relevant

[dark gulch]

ahh okey but sub is main specc and assa off specc but thanks mate

[potent pivot]

oh, then just stick with 2p

[lone anvil]

What is like the AWC equivalent of the 96 Bulls or the 2017 Golden State warriors.

Like what is considered to be the team that had the best cup run of all time, either the most blowouts 3-0 of opponents or just the biggest gap between the best team and the next beat team

Im new to AWC

So I wanna know the history

[potent pivot]

my b

[jolly sierra]

what

[lone anvil]

So the 96 Bulls or 2017 warriors are considered to be the best basketball teams of all time cause they were just so much better than anyone around them that no one could even compete.

[potent pivot]

echo is the main team most known for 3-0 blowouts n shit

[lone anvil]

Im asking for the AWC equivalent

[potent pivot]

they don't always win the finals but they generally have the most insane winrates

[lone anvil]

Of a team that on their cup run just smoked everyone along the way and made good teams look bad

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

So like the years echo won no one was really on the level they were on. Even if they don't win every year

[jolly sierra]

tbh cant understand when u use american-only examples

[lone anvil]

Ohh my bad

[dark gulch]

i might typed wrong but assa is offspecc my bad in that case 🤦‍♂️

[lone anvil]

Let me think of an example that will resonate with more people

[potent pivot]

he just means the most favored to win team/biggest win rates

i think

[lone anvil]

Like which team is the Usain bolt of AWC

[potent pivot]

i rarely follow sports

[jolly sierra]

same

[lone anvil]

Just so many leagues further ahead of the next guy behind him that it's insanely impressive

[jolly sierra]

lol

[potent pivot]

no worries but yeah i'd prolly stick with 2p for sub, assa doesn't lose a lot not running 4p really

[devout bear]

Just came bk to wow since SL so I'm a bit off. Are all three speccs equal or any spec standing out rn?

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are pretty equal at intermediate levels

[last jasper]

Typical Russian trash blaming eu players

[devout bear]

kk cheers, any big upcoming changes in .5 that might put your interest towards any of the specs?

[last jasper]

Report him.

[potent pivot]

bro i can't tell if there's bad words in this >_<

[jolly sierra]

egotist translated it

[last jasper]

If a Russian is typing something in all chat 99% he is insulting u

Typical behavior

[potent pivot]

nah not really. i'd just play the one you enjoy

[potent pivot]

i deleted it

let's not post chat pics with other languages

it did have a filtered word in it

[last jasper]

Okay. I tested if it’s actually filtered 🤣

It does

[potent pivot]

[last jasper]

Sorry. I was curious 🤣

[jolly sierra]

xddddddddddddd

this guys

always found insulting in foreign languages very coward

cuz they knows most ppl wont understand

[last jasper]

Tbf, I only knew about one word.

[last jasper]

Idk how u end up with one. A rarely see them in my grp since I transferred to eng server

[jolly sierra]

he is from ravencrest

also

its a blitz

u are matched w everything

[last jasper]

Silvermoon. That explains why. Yea I know you can be matched with one. But still I rarely see Cyrillic name

[jolly sierra]

ahh i see

[worthy crag]

nerf ww

and feral and sp and hpal

and mage

[lone anvil]

100% spitting facts

[last jasper]

Bruh. Mages are already nerfed a lot

And sp just got buffed 🤣

[lone anvil]

Nerf everything besides boomkins and warriors ( they're the only classes I consistently kill)

[jolly sierra]

burn bel'ameth

[lone anvil]

So best examples I could think of for futbol/soccer - would be like how dominant Barcelona has been in La Liga over the last two decades. That's an example of a dynasty.

But then other teams had just one specific year of dominance as opposed to just multiple years of excellence. Like how Bayern Munich had an insane team 2013-2014 and set a bunch of records and won 19 consecutive games.

The 96 Bulls were both of those things to a lot of people, they had a dynasty where they won 6 championships in 8 years but many people consider the 1996 Bulls to be the best team ever assembled.

I asked which AWC team was the 96 Bulls, the best team ever assembled. And people said probably echo

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmm yeah can understand now

[lone anvil]

So people will say the 96 Bulls can beat any other basketball team ever assembled like they had the best roster and they were at the peak of their careers

Whether that's true or not is speculation

But I just wanna learn the WoW AWC deep lore and get into the fandom

[potent pivot]

the more you watch it the more you'll learn as well

the casters talk about the past of teams pretty often

[jolly sierra]

do u imagine ppl is inmortal

and then they form an entire multi generational team?

lol

[lone anvil]

That's the fun of being a fan you know. Is like idolizing these people and giving them these super star status and having GOAT debates

[jolly sierra]

that sounds like ego inflation

[lone anvil]

I hear them mention teams being veteran like echo or new like F tier or the team to beat like liquid

[potent pivot]

usually in the intro they'll talk more about teams

like in the first 30 mins

when they discuss point standings n stuff

[lone anvil]

Probably. But it's mostly fun debates for the fans. Have you ever heard people debate messi vs Ronaldo ? There's like no way to objectively win that conversation. And no one is right or wrong. .... Idk maybe it's a male thing

[potent pivot]

you can also go back and watch every AWC ever i think

i believe they're all on YT

[lone anvil]

That's awesome

[potent pivot]

i remember going back and watching some bfa stuff when i started playing the game again in SL

[lone anvil]

I think its mostly kind of harmless conversations for most people. some people take it too seriously though for sure

I try and stay away from the people who lose sleep over their sports team winning or losing or people who get actually mad over it

cause its entertainment

but those conversations have a place under that umbrella of entertainment that adds to it and makes it more fun

as long as everyone keeps shit in perspective

[jolly sierra]

CR7 is narc AF

[lone anvil]

Im sure they all are disconnected from reality lmao

[jolly sierra]

lit is able to have an entire gallery in his house

w pictures from himself

[lone anvil]

What country are you from btw

[jolly sierra]

spain but i live in chile atm

[lone anvil]

Okay okay okay

[worthy crag]

wasnt lock candy usable only once per match in pvp?

im p sure the cooldown never started to reset even out of combat

[potent pivot]

You saw that soul well from Samiyam I’m assuming?

[worthy crag]

ya and locks been doing that alot in tww awcs

[vocal ginkgo]

Nice play there

[last jasper]

imagine swap into feral and lose to sub rogue 🙂

[lone anvil]

Look out the worlds OKay-est resto druid is in the SS queues

[worthy crag]

this gonna give blizz excuse to nerf sub more and buff feral

[worthy crag]

NA RMP is just depressing to watch

[hidden moth]

You mean fmp

Rmp doesn’t exist anymore

[safe pelican]

Soul candy has CD in pvp

Pretty sure, it’s just a long ass cooldown like if you get that twice a game the game is hella over extended lol

Yo Gal I seen you in my lobby on Tich the other day nice mog fool i like that illusion on the weapons

[delicate patrol]

Hey yall - warrior main. Rolled a rogue and really liking the playstyle.

Is there a list of classes that rogue is a hard counter to and vice versa?

[safe pelican]

Feral

[hidden moth]

No it’s a minute cd but the cd doesn’t start until u drop combat unless ur a lock

[idle nest]

can we stack enduring bloodstone gem ? like should we put that one in every slot ?

[pliant mauve]

Pretty sure you can only have one

That would be hella OP if you could stack 5 of them

[idle nest]

yeah makes sense

so one enduring blood stone and then just rest versetile onyx or something i guess

[native briar]

Are either Assasination or Outlaw viable in PvP and PvE right now? Or is the meta to play Sub in PvP and Asssasination in PvE?

[hidden moth]

It’s unique so u can only ever use one

[hidden moth]

I go high mastery low vers for my gems

U get 20 more stats on the 1 high 1 low stat gems than the single stat gems

[idle nest]

gotcha

[sharp sierra]

Which poison is the best one for assa PvP? Some say wound,some say deadly 😅

[hidden moth]

Wound

Even though deadly is “more damage” wound effectively buffs all damage done to the target by 20% since they need to heal 20% more

Also u aoe spread wound so multipul enemies have it up for the healing reduction. Makes it so what normally would be heal able damage isn’t anymore. Also makes healers use cd’s to keep them toped 20% sooner and oom 20% faster

[sharp sierra]

Ty

[hidden moth]

Crippling is the other

[sick wasp]

yeah 😂

[topaz bobcat]

are there any outlaw pvp buffs in the next patch?

or just assa getting buffed and sub nerfed?

[hidden moth]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1945843-20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes/

@potent pivot pin this plz or pin the wowhead patch notes

@topaz bobcat patch notes for next patch

Outlaw changes
Crackshot now also refreshes the cooldown of Between the Eyes upon gaining Stealth.
Precise Cuts now increases Blade Flurry’s damage by 4% per missing target below its max (was 2%).
Keep It Rolling cooldown reduced to 6 minutes (was 7 minutes).
Blade Flurry’s area-of-effect range increased to match the same distance it was when the previous version of Acrobatic Strikes was talented.
Blade Flurry’s initial damage effect radius increased to match the area of its primary effect.

ROGUE changes
New Talent: Thrill Seeking – Shadowstep(Assassination/Subtlety)/Grappling Hook(Outlaw) has 1 additional charge.
Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.
Shadowstep has been removed. Shadowstep is still automatically granted for Assassination and Subtlety.
Soothing Darkness now heals for 30% of max health over 6 seconds (was 15%). Effect no longer triggers from Shadow Dance.
Echoing Reprimand’s icon has been updated.
Flagellation’s icon has been updated.
Thistle Tea now automatically triggers when energy is reduced below 50.
Thistle Tea now automatically drinks when Energy falls below 30 (was 50).
New Talent: Supercharger – Shiv/Roll the Bones/Symbols of Death supercharges [1/2] combo points. Damaging finishing moves consume a supercharged combo point to function as if they spent 2 additional combo points. 2-point talent.
Developer’s note: It is intended that Supercharger’s bonus count towards any ability that scales with combo points spent and not just the damage value of finishing moves. Examples include Rupture’s duration, Poison Bomb’s effect chance, Restless Blades’ cooldown reduction, and Flagellation’s lashes dealt.
New Talent: Forced Induction – Increase the bonus granted when a damaging finishing move consumes a supercharged combo point by 1. Choice node with Echoing Reprimand.
Echoing Reprimand has been redesigned – After consuming a supercharged combo point, your next Mutilate/Sinister Strike/Backstab strikes with an Echoing Reprimand dealing Physical damage. Choice node with Forced Induction.
Cheap Shot duration increased to 6 seconds. PvP duration has not changed (4 seconds).
Subterfuge now also grants duration to combat bonuses that require Stealth and also have a duration that persists after breaking Stealth, including:
Take 'em by Surprise (Outlaw)
Improved Garrote (Assassination)
Master Assassin (Assassination)
Indiscriminate Carnage (Assassination)
The following talents have been removed:
Resounding Clarity
Reverberation

Hero talents

Fatebound
Inevitability renamed to Inevitable End.
Inevitable End/Double Jeopardy effects now indicate they can match any flip outcome (including ‘edge’), not just one face or the other.
Delivered Doom now provides bonus damage when more than 1 target is nearby, with the bonus reducing by 6% for each nearby target beyond 1.
Edge Case now flips a Fatebound Coin on its edge when you activate Deathmark/Adrenaline Rush instead of your next finishing move after activation.
Trickster
Coup de Grace now correctly attributes its combo point bonus to abilities that are affected by number of combo points spent, including numerous finishing moves and passives, similar to the function of the Supercharger talent.
Activating Coup de Grace no longer grants 1 second of immunity that prevents player actions for the duration.

[lone anvil]

How bad is win-trading?

This guy Ive been friends with on WoW started talking about how he isn't taking pvp seriously because of all the win trading that goes on and stuff ...

And I'm like yeah I bet it happens but probably at higher MMR than I'm playing at im just trying to improve at the game.

And he was like "they all queue at the same time and that's why you have like ten queues before you get into a game"

I was like "yeah man...idk my friend and I queued at the same time and it's not really that easy. You think people are going to all that effort at 1300 MMR? " I said "I think it does happen. But think of how long the queue is for DPS and they get to doing other things when they're queued like questing. And you need 16 people to accept. What are the chances one of those DPS went afk in their 20 min queue or got stuck in a quest they wanted to finish

And this dude BLEW up at me and was like "why are you being so pushy. Im done talking to you"

[hidden moth]

Win trading isn’t even that big esp in blitz. The hidden hand and cabal is fake news and a meme for shitty players to blame for being stuck in 1300 mmr and not that they need to improve.

[jolly sierra]

u turn into scum

[hidden moth]

U may see it in the higher brackets but most good players arnt win trading esp in blitz bc it’s so rng on if they are on other team or not

[jolly sierra]

and nobody will like u if u are in competitive gameplay

that implies being invited to stuff too

[hidden moth]

(Being stuck in 1300 doesn’t mean ur a shitty player just that u have improvement to do, it’s when you blame others or bs like “the hidden hand” that doesn’t exist rather than trying to improve on your own skills, awareness and knowledge that moment is when you become a hard stuck 1300 shitter)

[jolly sierra]

the pvp circle is so small than ppl in higher brackets will be fully aware about u if u wintrade

[hidden moth]

This as well

[hidden moth]

Ur right about the reque stuff. I’ve missed ques bc when I’m waiting on it I go make food get a drink do a chore or need to go bio and miss it

Also if u miss too many ques in a row u get a deserter debuff iirc. That may only be for shuffle though

Shuffle mmr is fixxeeddd!!!! Eu has 1 player at 2405!!!!! And na has pikaboo at 2390 cr!!!!!! Wooooo. Thank you blizzard gods

[lone anvil]

Why does it seem so much easier to climb shuffle on my druid healer than my rogue. Im not nearly as geared. Still missing pieces no enchants

[hidden moth]

More skilled on druid, easier to heal diff than dps diff

Stuff like that

Play style is easier for u

[topaz bobcat]

Outlaw is just a shitty DH right?

[worthy crag]

I wouldn't say outlaw is shitty rn by any measure

[long shore]

Thank you for being the hero for summarising this

[indigo hill]

I just woke up and the first thing I see is outlaw being compared to dh. Terrible comparison. Outlaw requires thinking. Dh does not.

[hidden moth]

Copy paste from the link lol

[hidden moth]

Dh does. Just thinking isn’t from the damage rotation fully it’s more of cc and positioning

[potent pivot]

They aren’t that hard to find

[topaz bobcat]

DH has imprison, outlaw has blind.

Both pve dps most of the time

Both have immunity

So... same same, no? but, DH now can do more dps and heal

[hollow carbon]

That’s a bad comparison

[silver root]

goodmorning

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeeeeeeexo

[hidden moth]

This is the 5th person I’ve had to link em tooo😭

[hidden moth]

They are similar but filll different roles

[potent pivot]

They could type the same question into google to find it though

[hidden moth]

“Google it” is now the new programmed response to the question of anything about 11.0.5

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qalBq10vkp8

some music to make the blood pumping

back on my freaky plays

[gilded gulch]

damn

[sick wasp]

they have another playlist

absolute bangers

both

[last jasper]

Copium that dh is a two button spec, so it’s easier

[sick wasp]

i would murder every single mfker dashing into my face,no hesitation

F dhs

[topaz bobcat]

how so? I'm not even trolling. Outlaw and DH looks so similar to me, fury as well

[last jasper]

Idk. I hate huntards more

[topaz bobcat]

actually DH rotation has just as many buttons as outlaw

[sick wasp]

between those two ild say dh more,they mindlessly zoom no f's given.First to bury,every single time

hunter can be a masterclass in pvp

not mm though they are silly

[topaz bobcat]

I think these hunter nerfs really reking them in pvp

MM still good burst but u can focus hunter down now

[sick wasp]

MM tbh was rly a good focus target but it had some stuff going on with double aspect n stuff

with roar and healing n stuff

its a good thing,nerfs are reasonable

i think those nerfs kinda help more mages than nerf hunters

but will see

[topaz bobcat]

👍

[last jasper]

I had a good laugh in df murdering them so I’m good. Huntards on the other hand are still cancer.

[last jasper]

Same as bm

[indigo hill]

Same amount of buttons doesn't mean it's more or less complicated. Dh is more war type zug zug. They're ballerina warriors.

[topaz bobcat]

spriest is the hidden op imo

[last jasper]

Especially when I play mage. It’s idiotic

[sick wasp]

i think hunter more of survival idk,bm is whatever,they press BW and stuff happens alone,its a spec with no rotation anyway,just smashing KC

they just made it a bleed spec

[last jasper]

Wasn’t so hidden. Even skillcapped put them s before launch

[sick wasp]

which is funny

[topaz bobcat]

they keep crying they suck on forums

which is strange

[sick wasp]

yup big powerspike

[topaz bobcat]

top change

they doubled

[indigo hill]

Spriests are always crying on the forums. Same with dk.

[last jasper]

Nah, dks are okay. I don’t recall when frost dk was viable the last time 🤣

[sick wasp]

yup no wonders on that 😂

[sick wasp]

Early DF iirc

[indigo hill]

2 weeks ago. 🤣

[sick wasp]

well besides that

[last jasper]

Same as early bfa, and tww. And then nerfed into the ground 🤣

[last jasper]

Frost dk was c tier before s1 started

[indigo hill]

I don't take tier lists serious. They said assa was like A tier and they flop everytime someone looks at them. So I'm not sure which rating these lists are based on.

[sick wasp]

depends what type of pvp

[last jasper]

I’d say performance between the specs.

[sick wasp]

u cant rly assa in solo bgs or rbgs

[last jasper]

Which is why I mentioned frost. Cuz most of the time it’s unholy the go to

[sick wasp]

even outlaw looks better than assa in bgs/rbgs tbh

assa is good in arena to my eyes

[potent pivot]

[last jasper]

I agree

[sick wasp]

but there is feral and hunters can rly F-u-up

its not that easy to play assa anymore

[jagged moon]

Did you check or is that feelcraft? Murlok.io can check

[sick wasp]

personally prefer sub

[jagged moon]

Sub being highest rated obv

[last jasper]

You have like one week left to enjoy it

[jagged moon]

Assa apparently does well in teamfight aoe

Not sure Outlaw does something that well?

[sick wasp]

outlaw is a brawler,surely does worse

[topaz bobcat]

hemo toxin stacks with wound poison? or what is the reason everyone takes it?

[hollow carbon]

It doesn’t stack but you can take if no other PvP talent makes sense in that 3rd slot

[sick wasp]

it also creates more pressure,used to be stronger but still cool sometimes

[hollow carbon]

And probably for AOE shiv builds it’s better

[sick wasp]

arterial shock makes more sense with hemotoxin

yup

[hollow carbon]

Yeah

[sick wasp]

that is actually better than outlaw running around doing stuff,its immense pressure

on top of a smoke bomb u got them healers

[hidden moth]

Aoe 5 target 30% ms, also if ur hitting a new target getting 5 stacks of wound takes a few seconds vs instant shiv

Shiv does good damn with 2 charges it doing 30% ms and increases ur bleed and poison damage by 30%

[topaz bobcat]

but I thought we already had wound in cleave

already from crimson use and fan of knives cuz of clear the witness

a few stacks most of the time anyway

[indigo hill]

In my experience. Outlaw does well in bg when it comes to cc or chasing a fc. Damage on an outlaw is good but you're more of a support spec.

[hidden moth]

Yes but if they are oor, or it’s ur opener etc. it’s just nice to get the 30% extra esp in ur burst

[topaz bobcat]

it's 30% extra or 30% overwriting wound poison?

[hidden moth]

If ur bursting a target the 10% extra healing reduction could mean the healer who gets one gcd to make a play. Doesn’t heal enough to get a 2nd global vs them getting a 2nd gcd and tops off ur kill target

Overwrites

So heals go from 80% normal healing to 70%

Also aoe shiv

Just makes em rot harder with ur bleeds and shiv making it hit harder and making them heal less while ticking down

[hidden moth]

So it increases ur poison damage and bleed damage by 30% and reduces their healing received by 30% for 8 seconds does good upfront damage gives a cp and u get 2 charges on a 30sec cd. The damage increase doesn’t affect the bonus of your active poisonsz. Shiv also applies a 84% slow

Crests now drop from Rated PvP activities. Weathered Harbinger Crests are now rewarded by Combatant 1 activities. Carved Harbinger Crests are now rewarded by Combatant 2, Challenger 1, and Challenger 2 activities. Runed Harbinger Crests are now rewarded by Rival 1 and Rival 2 activities. Gilded Harbinger Crests are now rewarded by Duelist and Elite activities.

This went through on the 8th but I’m 2400 and not getting crests lol

[long shore]

Is sub rogue getting buffed in damage next patch?

[potent pivot]

yes and no

have to wait and see when the patch goes live

[lunar granite]

the worst thing in existence was to allow people to duoq in bg blitz on god

[gusty hedge]

especially when the duo wants to solo a base and dont wanna be anywhere near team lol, like really only got 1 heals

[lunar granite]

lets watch a streamer who escaped 1400mmr. ah he's duoq with mistweaver. lets find another dude who got high rating. ah hes duoq with mw

[gusty hedge]

those healers sound cracked tho free friend carry

[hidden moth]

No no no no

Duo que is great simply bc im playing solo games on my heals and im border line Kurt cobain status

[lunar granite]

I'm on an 11 losing streak in blitz. I can't control where 7 other people go. I can't convince them to stop being headless. This feels like playing league of legends all over again

[hidden moth]

Then carry ur literally a rogue

U can cap a base 1v3

[lunar granite]

uhh

[hidden moth]

I’ve seen Seth do it multipul times.

[lunar granite]

i sometimes cap bases when they forget to tap me while i click the flag

otherwise not really

[hidden moth]

Point is, duo que is needed because without it ur 14-20 minute wues jump to 30

[lunar granite]

i would love duoq if i had someone to duoq with

hopefully they invent duo/trioq solo shuffle next

[hidden moth]

Bc no one would play heals. Playing healer is already rough in PvP simply bc u have to deal with keeping everyone up while being trained

Duo que doesn’t work for shuffle at all and u know this

[potent pivot]

you can cap while they are CC'd

[lunar granite]

yeah. "they" being 1 player not 3

[hidden moth]

Sap, kidney blind even cheap shot if ur goated last long enough to cap

[potent pivot]

not everyone is good enough to cap on 3 i agree

[hidden moth]

Personally I’ve caped on 2 multipul times 3 people twice smoke bomb is juicy

[potent pivot]

just focus as much as you can on objectives, and over time you should gain rating

[hidden moth]

3 is a stretch for most but doable. I can def cap on 2 though

[potent pivot]

attack/slow enemy flag carriers

protect your own

sit bases and ninja cap bases

etc

[lunar granite]

i played normal rated BGs to 2.4 once, but blitz is totally different

i cant control what these fuckers do

[hidden moth]

U can cloak cap as well

4 casters trying to spin but they just see “miss” hehe

Mw is op for fc maps. But the duo que to reduce the time sitting in dornagal is worth this coming from someone who went 0-2400 solo queuing every match

Ur gonna win ur gonna lose, just focus on what u can do better next time also I’ll link them in a sec. Check some blitz guides. The rules are different in blitz than the normal bgs so that can throw people off

https://youtu.be/C8eoBkcHrRo?si=-1UyZ3A17gmiTMyW

https://youtu.be/pt1BZLVOv-8?si=dmzjtNJ6FUrsPVjQ

One change did happen in eots where if u gun it for enemy base off rip u can spin the node before they cap it
This is bc of them making flags spawn 20 seconds after start of match and each cap and not the 15 seconds it was

[stoic spruce]

LMAOOOOO

Bro posted Flarkypoo

[hidden moth]

His vid does good to teach the timers and mechanics of each map not so much Strat

[lunar granite]

what i'd really like is a guide called "how to impact what 7 other players do as a rogue on each map"

[hidden moth]

Type in chat and make plays

U see ur fc getting the casting couch treatment from the enemy team

[lunar granite]

im trying but the only games I win are those where my team wipes their team

[hidden moth]

Peel for him

Okay so what are u doing in gilneas for example

What is ur Strat

[lunar granite]

starting horde side i walk to mines and i click on bgenemies to see who goes to cap their base and who might want to inc then i sit on my ass for a few seconds and decide if i want to go steal their base or defend mine

[hidden moth]

That’s about it. If u have a teammate like a hunter who wants to sit mine u can go straight lh as well

How about wsg

A tip I can give for fc maps

If their fc dies, their mw go to their gy and sap I’m in the gy and don’t let him leave

[lunar granite]

usually i watch who hovers on the empty side (wants to fc) and i try to annoy them

last wsg i was vs a MW who kept quadruple torpedoing away from me. nobody else wanted to touch him and we lost

[hidden moth]

U can also wait in ur fr

[hidden moth]

Yeah that’s gonna happen

Mw or pres vs 2 heals that arnt me or pres is 90% of the time a gg go next

U can do stuff to the monks port though. If u know where it is and see u have teammates on him u can stealth at his port and when he ports low hp ur there to cc and end him

[lunar granite]

we also had a MW but he just.... didnt do those things. thats what was actually annoying

[hidden moth]

Yeahhh

I’ve questioned why people play the best fc class but refuse to fc

In nice and not so nice ways

https://youtube.com/shorts/YziwQhDbyUg?si=HCLI9Kqc2SSZ8WIN

[potent pivot]

'feels like i'm playing a private server AND this guys hacking'

[hidden moth]

I’m going to bed, watch aces vid for sure. If u have questions or stuff tricks and them can help out. Tricks def the guy with more knowledge than I

[hidden moth]

Have u seen the tunnel roof torpedo flying shenanigans

[potent pivot]

don't think so idk

[hidden moth]

3:48. 2:20 for the tech

https://youtu.be/jIqoilMSo8Q?si=vJDtBFBKXzzRNypJ

They walk around the fence gy side then to the top of tunnel and do the fly tech

[potent pivot]

ok yeah its similar to slow fall tech

thats disgusting

[surreal barn]

If you can land a blind during this

[silver root]

most boring pvp ive played since bfa holy

[surreal barn]

*Chefs kiss *

[indigo hill]

Just be glad they haven't added monk to dractyr. 😅

[burnt kraken]

hey assa question, so fan of knives deals more single target dmg than mutilate, whats the reason to ever cast mutilate unless u need combo points fast (since it generates 2)

you just lose all energy instant if u use mutilate and end up becomming a wheelchair

i guess u can press it once in a while for doomblade talent but other than that it feels so bad

[faint forge]

Quick Question! Wich pieces of gear should i upgrade to set-pieces in "The Catalyst"? Does it matter?

[burnt kraken]

depends on spec

[faint forge]

Oh yeah, im on Deathstalker SUB.

[burnt kraken]

u can check murloc io for your spec and see what top players do

[orchid plinth]

Most people went Shoulders Catalyst and 1600 achievement for Legs. Sub only plays 2set.

If you are not at 1600 yet use the other catalyst for legs

If you never do PvE you can just keep throwing Conq pieces in the Catalyst to get all of them if you plan on playing other specs I guess. Both Outlaw and Assa plays 4 set.

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

[keen crystal]

Is assa any good in pvp? thinking of swapping to pvp only.

[orchid plinth]

All rogues specs are good they are just different.

Not Feral-good but good enough to have all specs featured in AWC

[lone anvil]

I crafted an engineering helm for my rDruid. It says I need a specific "tinker Gem" for the top ker socket.

I noticed none of the tinker gems are listed on Murlock profiles.

I tried searching the auction house and there were only like 3-4 options and most of them didn't seem fantastic. Any advice?

[safe pelican]

Just press it for doomblade proc if you have it, aside from that you are right FOK is better for dmg but mutilate just FEELS better to hit on a single target

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t

If you’re on a ST even just the combo point generation of Mut will result in more damage than press FoK

[potent pivot]

Tinker gems don’t work in pvp

[potent pivot]

Shoulders and legs

Ah someone answered that one mb

[lone anvil]

At all or just rated?

I still do plenty of normal bgs and open world

I just like playing the game.

[potent pivot]

tbh i'm not sure

they def don't work in rated idk about the rest

[safe pelican]

I feel like you burn so much more energy spamming mutilate rather than FOK though, because you can generate 2 CPs off hitting 2 players/ pets and totems as well right ? I rather hit mutilate tbh but once I’m out of energy it’s GGs

[potent pivot]

you do not generate combo points off totems nor pets

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[potent pivot]

if you can hit 2 player targets, fok is better for sure

but if you're on ST the math ain't mathing

[burnt kraken]

True, it’s sad cuz both feels bad to press xd

[potent pivot]

if you're sitting on a ST you just have to pool energy a bit

so you can try to keep Sang ticking extra dmg

very similar to pve ST, but in pve you're pooling for Envenom buff uptime

iirc

[burnt kraken]

Yeah, ur a wheelchair if u don’t have energy or teas when going for kills

[potent pivot]

getting DoTs up will stabilize your energy

but even with DoTs up, pure ST situations require a little pooling if you're playing optimally

[surreal barn]

I think sub will feel worse with the tea change than assa

[potent pivot]

it's basically the same thing

just pool outside of dance

[surreal barn]

I know for sure that I will not be getting that master buff from it a minute in

Pooling is fine though

[potent pivot]

idk i think people are over reacting

resource management should be important

i don't necessarily like the change either but i don't think it's going to be an uncontrollable factor

[surreal barn]

I have a no tea build I run now, it’s not the energy I’m after

It’s the mastery

[potent pivot]

....

the same is true for everyone right

but i don't get why some are acting like it's going to be impossible to not waste charges

[surreal barn]

Tricks I am totally wasting those charges

Just calling it now lol

[potent pivot]

why tho

[orchid plinth]

It will be interesting to see how it works

Ie will it proc if I already have the Tea buff??

[surreal barn]

I’m trackin 18 other bars I’m not about to worry about always having over 30% energy too

[safe pelican]

This pooling thing i obviously need to work on that I’m assuming pooling is using bleeds to get energy ?? I ran out of energy from spamming mutilate in my last shuffle so i was like pop tea ( had 0 teas left ) so i was like fuck i remember trickz said stack bleeds for energy so i start garroting and ruptures everyone but the energy just wasn’t coming in fast enough

[surreal barn]

I could just trade options if I want to have a bad time

[potent pivot]

pooling means not spamming GCDs

[safe pelican]

Please don’t speak on my battle scars like that 😂

[potent pivot]

and keeping your energy above a certain threshold etc

[orchid plinth]

Energy is a yellow pool

Make it big

[safe pelican]

Ahhhhh so just kite ?? Like everything that benefits assas is a GCD So i guess I should just reset when i have no energy , staying in combat with no energy sounds like suicide

[potent pivot]

no

you just don't spam GCDs

or abilities that cost energy

it's not like you're pooling for more than a couple seconds at a time

[safe pelican]

Makes sense def something that’s going to take practice gotta bring the heart rate down and relax

[cursive cosmos]

Did I miss something regarding tea? 😭

[sonic siren]

Hey Guys, do u play 2s with kingsbane instead the cleave build?

As Sin rogue*

[potent pivot]

you can swap carnage for kingsbane

[sonic siren]

Thx dude

[surreal barn]

Nah I’m just being a little bitch about something that hasn’t even happened yet

[stoic spruce]

Sub rogue being a bitch? Color me shocked

Jk

How we doing today?

[indigo hill]

Called sub for a reason.

[stoic spruce]

Lul

[lone anvil]

Just got out of a solo shuffle where a hunter who went "0-6" said "I'm reporting the paladin and rogue for cheating" (I was on my druid)

I agree with him kinda tbh. Anyone who's beats me is cheating or their class needs nerfed.

[jolly sierra]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA8g-RvtS1m/?igsh=b3hqcGM3MWRxOXEx

what a fkn cheater HAHAHAHAHAHA

[cursive cosmos]

Haha ok

[broken otter]

Hahahaha, brutal.

[jolly sierra]

dude that move was dirty

[potent pivot]

That is so fucked up lmfao

[jolly sierra]

ngl was funny af to watch

[lone anvil]

That was so funny

He may have won that duel either way tbh

[jolly sierra]

ye he just screwed his reputation w players doing that

[warped gate]

Just wanted to say, this is fun as fuck.

[warped gate]

Wooooow.

[indigo hill]

Honorless mak gora. Must be a thrall supporter.

[jolly sierra]

nah he used cosmic powers beyond comprehension to make himself stronger and full of life again, he must be a sylvanas supporter

[potent pivot]

he broke the 4th wall

[jolly sierra]

seems like

[safe pelican]

Now this is peak wow content 😂

[stoic spruce]

Wow streamer being a pos

More at 11

[wanton breach]

waiting for AWC to turn interesting

[potent pivot]

current match up is sorta intriguing

[wanton breach]

yeah first non fmp mirror since I've tuned in

[potent pivot]

echo just lost a match

watching the eu brackets can be kinda boring because everyone just expects echo to dominate

i'm surprised streamerzone beat drive overload, let alone taking a win against echo

holy shit

they took another match

[sick wasp]

yup its 2-2 rn

fmp kinda crazy pressure

well p for priest not pala

[potent pivot]

yeah it's kinda entertaining to see a team finally give echo some pressure

raiku refusing to play wall still is insane

[sick wasp]

yeah i think thesia walls are very oppressive

but last two got insta broken

[wanton breach]

first exciting series so far

[sick wasp]

sewers now

feral vs rogue

who wins

[wanton breach]

thesia

[sick wasp]

yup he's playing like its the end of the world

but u dont leave the lock free cast

chan destroyed them

[wanton breach]

chan always does insane damage, even under pressure

[sick wasp]

i think they wanted to kill whazz so much

[potent pivot]

yeah i don't get why they went for whaazz so much this game

[sick wasp]

but they got whazzed there

twice

yeah bad tactical approach

at least thats how it looks

Tolv arena now

[fervent shell]

is it possible to see who a spell being cast is targetted on? like if a caster casts with a macro or swaps targets during a cast?

[potent pivot]

i think the only thing you can do is watch target of target

unless you use some sort of weakaura

[sick wasp]

u cant if its cast from focus

no WA afaik

[fervent shell]

boo, I was hoping combat logs said who the target was or something

[potent pivot]

logs will

you just can't see who they're casting on mid cast

[potent pivot]

you can make a WA to see who was hit by what

[sick wasp]

how would that look

[potent pivot]

don't think WA can see who someone is casting at

like if they're casting a focus or regular spell, there's no way to tell the difference

[sick wasp]

yeah that im certain of

[potent pivot]

if it's available in your combat log, the data is there to pull from

[sick wasp]

[potent pivot]

so like after the spell has been cast and hits someone

[sick wasp]

interesting

[potent pivot]

it's kind of a pointless weakaura to make

[fervent shell]

right, but it looks like it only shows target on the spellcastfinished event, not the spellcaststart as you said

boo

ty

[orchid plinth]

Event: COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED:SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS

function(event,_,subevent,_,sourceGUID,sourceName,_,_,destinationGUID,destinationName,_,_,spellID,_)
  local playerName = UnitName("player");
  if (subevent == "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" and spellID == 6789 and sourceGUID ~= UnitGUID("player")) then
    
    if destinationName == playerName then
      return true
    end
  end
  
  
end

This is a WA that checks if someone casted Death Coil on you for example. But I don't know how one would do it when it's a casttime.

[potent pivot]

only thing you can really watch is target of target and what they're casting

[sick wasp]

yeah

[orchid plinth]

Yeah and both platers and BBP has a setting to show the target on the castbar

But PvP fucks with that due to focus targets etc

Mobs don't use focus targeting

[sick wasp]

like its typical to cast cc from focus in pvp

[potent pivot]

well BBP was made for pvp really

but i don't think you can detect when someone else uses a focus macro with any addon/wa

[orchid plinth]

Yeah exactly

[sick wasp]

yeah thats practically impossible