pvp

[tribal badger]

xd

rip me saving my solo shuffle quest till the last day of the week

[dapper chasm]

I've been fixing up some macros, here's my stealth one for normal people who have stealth bound to middle mouse click:

#showtooltip
/dismount [mounted]
/cancelaura Vanish
/cancelaura [nocombat] Shadow Dance
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,dead] Loot-A-Rang; !Stealth

It's a spamable stealth, but it casts looterang if you mouseover a corpse

[rocky vale]

no its bugged, it says that to max lvl ppl 😛

[winter seal]

I used to do arenas on my twink paladin in cata

Back when there was teams I joined one at level 70 and then leveled to 74 so I was facing level 70’s but had wings.

[vocal ginkgo]

anyone else unable to Q?

[vocal ginkgo]

did you fix this?

[tribal badger]

yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871188656357015623/1292983427930525819/image.png?ex=6705b827&is=670466a7&hm=4e7f1c2d405debccd4ca2571cbcd74b6c7baa4eb07a08c781acb7954cae9963b&

this worked for me

smol indie company

[torpid swan]

whats the ideal rotation for danse macabre outside of shadow blades?

[stoic spruce]

My biggest flaw of a rogue is I don't press vial enough

It's the opposite of the kind of healing I'm use to

[hidden dome]

rated pvp is bugged on EU and unrated pvp, well...

[tribal badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871188656357015623/1292983427930525819/image.png?ex=6705b827&is=670466a7&hm=4e7f1c2d405debccd4ca2571cbcd74b6c7baa4eb07a08c781acb7954cae9963b&

this works

need to redo it like everytime u hit a load screen tho

[waxen meteor]

rated pvp is offline?

didn't follow news

[tribal badger]

no just bugged

[hidden dome]

Thanks, that worked

[jolly bear]

can confirm this works

[vague comet]

boys i got chat restricted (too much soloq on my rogue)

help me cap my fresh priest

xD

[stoic lava]

Oh hi haha yes it is 🙂

[potent pivot]

Can’t use the server for LFG ><

[vague comet]

<

apparently LFG also doesnt work

if ur chat restricted

[potent pivot]

Oof

[potent pivot]

Pinning this until it’s fixed I guess

[jolly bear]

i got 1025 conquest, you guys said buy chest>shoulders>gloves and convert and use 1600 token on legs right

[waxen meteor]

why would there be 1800 biltz blood dk not carry falg

just zugzugzug

[potent pivot]

If you’re playing sub I wouldn’t convert into tier

Shoulders are the only thing you convert

Then legs from 1600 iirc

You just want the best stat 2 pieces for 2P

[potent pivot]

The trolling never stops, rating almost doesn’t matter

[jolly bear]

Sin this time around, i dont like that sub is playing for sepsis and rupture dmg

[potent pivot]

Huh

Sepsis barely matters

[jolly bear]

those are the builds im seeing

dmg comes from rupture

and dark brew

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's very annoying now, this mmr sucks

[potent pivot]

Yes but it barely plays any differently than always

Rupture just gives some added sustain damage you wouldn’t otherwise have

[jolly bear]

is sepsis mandatory

[potent pivot]

But anyway, if you’re playing sin I would wait to see what other people craft into 4p

[stoic spruce]

Tbf if you want to bring the flag to base in one day you'd pick anything besides a dk

[potent pivot]

Chest, shoulders and legs are for sure

[worthy crag]

it gets removed in a month so dw about it

[potent pivot]

Helm or gloves is a toss up

[jolly bear]

god bless

but also shadowdust

is shadowdust being replaced or just deleted

[potent pivot]

Right now it’s mandatory because you need to take it to get to Dust

[worthy crag]

yeah, i wish someone would do the math on the actual dps loss for ditching dark brew because i'm considering it with the anniversary patch

deleted and replaced with additional symbol charges

[potent pivot]

It’s being replaced with 2 extra charges of Symbols talent

[jolly bear]

wait that sounds fire

okay you convinced me im going back to my one true love, sub

[potent pivot]

Key word: sounds

[worthy crag]

The current 22.5 second reduction off of vanish is definitely unhealthy for the game but a complete removal also feels pretty painful

so many rogues just double dance in the opener cuz they get it back so fast rn

it used to be kind of a throw to do that unless the kill is secured

[jolly bear]

swapping specs to sub rn just felt so good ngl

but if u threw me in a m+ i wouldnt know wtf to do

idk how to pve sub rogue

[worthy crag]

aoeing as sub is the most brain numbingly easy experience

[jolly bear]

is it what i think it is

shuriken storm black power spam

[worthy crag]

you just shuriken storm and black powder

yeah

[jolly bear]

LOL

at least we dont have to talent into it now

[worthy crag]

STing is a bit more enjoyable as sub but that also has gone down in TWW imo, so i dont pve on my rogue at all now

[potent pivot]

That’s not how sub aoe’s now

[jolly bear]

oh cuz of corrupt the blood or what

[potent pivot]

In m+ iirc sub plays Trickster and does ST rotation in aoe during any CDs

[jolly bear]

oh awks idek what trickster does

[potent pivot]

It has a cleave mechanic

[worthy crag]

that makes sense, if anything changes from the traditional black powder spam

[jolly bear]

is trickster the go to for aoe

[worthy crag]

but trickster is also kinda just rng based

[potent pivot]

Spamming storm and powder drains too much energy as well

[jolly bear]

both the outlaw hero trees are 😔

[worthy crag]

or I guess proc based, which you can keep track the timer of

[potent pivot]

You’d have to check the pve guides on wowhead

This is pvp chat

[worthy crag]

I can see how extremely awkward deathmark would be for aoe

[potent pivot]

We don’t play trickster in PvP really

[worthy crag]

it feels awkward even in 3s when trying to swap target

the whole "pre-redirect era" style of getting a mark on a specific target that cannot be swapped to another target is cool in concept but playing deathstalker has revealed how far the game has moved on from that concept

Or idk, give us another active ability to manually apply the mark aside from stealthed shadowstrike

but blizz would never introduce another button to add to action bars

[potent pivot]

I think deathstalkers mark is absolutely fine for sub

It’s more awkward for sin but still too good to pass up really

[worthy crag]

i find it frustrating to shift the mark to someone else or like

meld stealth SS teleport to land a kick on off dps

and now they have the mark

its kind of annoying

I mean it's an okay tree but like it introduces issues that hero trees of other classes would never have to worry about

[potent pivot]

You’ll just reapply it on your next burst window to whoever you’re hitting

[worthy crag]

yes but that cheap shot + eviscerate will be markless

unless i do cheap shot + shadowstrike which is just bad

its maybe just 80k extra dmg but like i said, issues that trees of other classes dont have to worry about

I'm pretty bitter about the quality of hero trees of rogue in general

[potent pivot]

Have you seen every hero tree in the game?

We are not the only ones with lackluster trees lol

[worthy crag]

ofc not, I doubt very many ppl would look at every one

I believe that, its a new content that was delivered without preconceived feedback for obvious reasons

[potent pivot]

There’s only a few outliers that got amazing shit like DKs

[worthy crag]

that doesn't mean I dont feel frustrated

[potent pivot]

Ye I mean I don’t like them very much either

But imo they’re mostly just set and forget passives

[worthy crag]

Dks seems to have really solid choices all around but I can cite a few classes that have at least one solid tree

herald of the sun for pallies look pretty good so does void w/e for shadow/disc

and shadopan for monks

dark ranger for hunters

yeah they arent super big deal at the end of the day

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve even thought about quitting rogue this season, a few times

And I always just quit playing the game before I’d quit playing rogue

[worthy crag]

im stuck at like 1875~1950 range in shuffle on my survival hunter it looks like, so I might need to get that rogue back on

but I don't really enjoy rogue rn

feral just does everything better

[potent pivot]

Mhmm

[worthy crag]

and with shadowdust gone i'll just get pved down

[potent pivot]

Just kinda tired of this class getting such low attention

[worthy crag]

lmao, low attention would be a good thing, like how spriests or windwalkers just fly under the radar rn

[potent pivot]

Design choices have been so bad for a while now

[worthy crag]

its just bad attention

and any unwarranted cry for nerf gets 25 upvotes on any forum/board/reddit

personally it was okay for me in season 1~2 of DF, and the rework in season 3 that pretty much shoehorned every meta build into dark brew + thistle tea started to kill it for me

or was that in season 2, I have trouble recalling

[stoic lava]

Why is ranke down

[worthy crag]

blizz needed to spare people from your wrath

[stoic lava]

[jolly bear]

even with all the talent changes they made last season it still feels bad

[potent pivot]

You have to run a chat command that will let you queue. It’s linked in the pins

[jolly bear]

i definitely had the most fun with The Rotten and that tier set with the symbols interaction

[potent pivot]

Well it feels like they didn’t listen to much player feedback when it comes to our hero talents at all

We basically got what they gave us at the beginning of beta

[stoic spruce]

The amount of abuse dks get and then getting the best hero trees in the game should be a study

[jolly bear]

I main FDK in pve, its about got damn time ya hear

[potent pivot]

DK is about to be garbage after Tuesday as well

[jolly bear]

k im gonna go cry now

[stoic spruce]

Nah

[potent pivot]

In pvp I mean

[jolly bear]

why does everything i enjoy get nerfed

[stoic spruce]

Nah

[jolly bear]

oh

[stoic spruce]

Watch

[potent pivot]

They’re over nerfing it

[stoic lava]

rofl how did this HAPPEN

[potent pivot]

At high levels unholy doesn’t even do that great

[stoic spruce]

That's always been a thing. Just gotta force it now

[potent pivot]

They’re basically nerfing it because of mid level play

Like sure it’ll still be viable to a point just like frost technically is right now

But I’m pretty sure you won’t be seeing it at a high level period now

[hybrid sapphire]

bro im losing my mind i was 2200 now im at 1950. every loss is -20 and every win is +0

[jolly bear]

yeah im only seeing shoulders and legs turned 2 set for sub

[potent pivot]

mhm

[jolly bear]

seeing a lot of crafted mainhands too

[potent pivot]

that should be the last thing you do

[jolly bear]

okay what about on use trinket

[potent pivot]

people who crafted daggers have been playing since week 1

because free daggers were locked until week 3

on use trinket is fine

if you're going to be playing sub

for sin it's kinda w/e

[jolly bear]

yeah i felt like a newborn deer on sin

in pvp

[runic trench]

I crafted helm dagger week 1

But yeah you have the free weapons

You save like 5 tokens

Are people meant to be dying in our opener? Or is it just to get cds

I feel like people use cds whether I do my opener or not

Wouldn’t I be. Better off just not using my cds and then use them 1 min in instead

I mean at 1600 rating

[jolly bear]

i got conq tier shoulders, conq crafted wrists + boots + 1 ring so those slots are done. does this gearing priority list make sense

I based this off murlok

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't waste conq on conq chest

twice i mean

that (craft later) shit

you kinda have to choose what you want to play

sin crafts 4p, sub doesn't, but neither are necessarily unplayable using each other's gear

[jolly bear]

im going sub

[potent pivot]

sin's main thing is that it wants a bit more vers

[untold remnant]

I still don’t get why sin would play 4-set. It’s only 5% bleed damage in PvP environments, where 5% mastery gives 5% bleed AND poison

With vers on top.

[potent pivot]

because crit and haste aren't bad for sin

[potent pivot]

losing the mastery is also offset by the crit/haste

so it ends up being slightly better to just run the 4p

[potent pivot]

you prolly want mostly crafted gear for sub

2x crafted ring

[jolly bear]

you can craft 2?

[potent pivot]

yes

[jolly bear]

they arent unique equipped?

[potent pivot]

no

[jolly bear]

oh yeah ur right cool

[runic trench]

I ended up crafting 2 rings

It’s pretty good mastery

[jolly bear]

hm so what conq pieces do i want? do i want chest or do i just save for heraldry?

[runic trench]

I have crafted dagger, helm, 2 rings and conquest shoulder and pants and on use trinket

I think I’m saving up for chest next

I’m just going with nahj says

[potent pivot]

more ppl are using crafted chest

[jolly bear]

so really just buy trinket and then stack heraldry

okay i got it now i know what order to go in

[runic trench]

In a couple of weeks we will have more conquest than we know what to do with

[potent pivot]

the order barely matters really

end result will be the same

[runic trench]

You buy the wrong item you just replace it down the road

[potent pivot]

yep

[jolly bear]

i know im just excited to pvp again

[runic trench]

I am currently sitting on like 3 socket items

With no good items to socket

[jolly bear]

3 questions, what slots would you say should go first for crafting between chest, neck, and ring? im not sure if a chest piece provides more overall power or not. and where would the conq trinket go in that list, last? and the last question is is it worth to farm bloody tokens and if so where at

[potent pivot]

chest does give more dmg

it has agi

trinket is also big

the only wpvp items worth anything are cloak/belt

but those will also get replaced later

[jolly bear]

ok i wont worry about them then

if i happen to get the tokens ill buy them

can someone explain the new shadow techniques cuz i forgot how it works with the CP stuff from last season lol

youtube aint helping

holy shit first arena in and it felt like home

idek why i bothered with sin

no offense guys :(

[orchid plinth]

I mean the logic for the Bloody Tokens gear is straightforward: if you can use it instead of Honor gear then its good

Cloak, Belt, Wrists, Gloves, Chest and Weapon. But somewhere around the Chest points you start getting Conquest enough to buy/craft better gear and you get Weapons for free now.

[runic trench]

Yeah buy every bloody token item you can afford

With the off pieces like cloak belt wrist being first

Things with mastery on them

[potent pivot]

you should pretty much be able to get enough conq to not need more than belt/cloak

maybe 1 extra piece

[runic trench]

Yeah I’m using cloak belt wrist. I honor crafted some embellished boots

[potent pivot]

i crafted 639 boots and at first honor crafted wrist for embellishments

[orchid plinth]

Im using Gloves as well but I haven't spent all my Conq yet

[indigo hill]

I crafted wrist, boots, gloves. Used the bloody for belt and cloak. Bought legs with the 1600 token and the rest is conquest. Just need rings and trinket now.

[orchid plinth]

We're all gonna have enough Conq soon and we can just respond with "VERS/MASTERY"

But now the questions becomes... How much Vers and Mastery oh noooo

[indigo hill]

Thinking about replacing the belt eventually since it's mastery and I don't want much of that.

[jolly bear]

i mean they both increase ur dmg so as long as ur not like super unbalanced it shouldnt matter too much

[orchid plinth]

Mastery is cooler so Imma craft more pieces

Having two of the same rings looks better on the character sheet

[potent pivot]

i'm just glad they finally opened to floodgates to let us craft anything we want with any stats we want

the gearing system at least for pvp, is really great this expansion

just slightly more complicated for newer/returning players

[orchid plinth]

Yes

Also I just realized that if you really want you can also change your stats on the crafted gear

So if you play only one character its still not that hard to say change to outlaw gear etc

[potent pivot]

yeah just kinda expensive to be doing it multiple times

but also nice that sockets/enchants stick

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/wKOs.gif

yes but it is doable.

But I guess when we have infinite conquest it's not a problem thought

[potent pivot]

everyone that plays competitively already has multiple rogues from week 1 so

it's not hard to have outlaw/sub sets on 1 character, just time gated as fuck

[orchid plinth]

Yeah. Game is super amazing in that part really.

[jolly bear]

sorry can someone explain how shadow techniques works with the stored combo points

[runic trench]

Pvp gearing is so good

If only solo shuffle queue was as fast as bg

I get a bg pop in like 5 min and shuffle in like 25

I hope bg blitz stays

[harsh kiln]

Your auto attacks stores combopoints, when you use a builder it also uses the stored combopoints. So if you have 2 stored, your backstab will generate 3cp instead of 1.

[runic trench]

I honestly don’t even track it

[violet zephyr]

is their a limit to the stored points

[hard orbit]

is rated pvp not working for anyone else?

[indigo hill]

/run PVPQueueFrameCategoryButton2:SetEnabled(true)

Use this in your chat in game.

Button will still be grey but you can queue

[hard orbit]

huh yeah that works

thanks

but I guess queues will be gnarly since a lot of people suffer from this

[orchid plinth]

Only hackers can queue

[hard orbit]

puts on sunglasses and types with a green font on a black background

[harsh kiln]

Without reading the spell i think it caps at 10 stored combopoints.

But it wont use all stacks if you have more stacks than avaliable combo points. say you have 7 slots for cps, and you have 10 stacks, the next builder will only give you 7cps, and youll keep 3 stacks for the next builder.

[fiery turret]

What 2v2 talent build are you guys running these days?

[potent pivot]

Pretty much the same builds

Assa swaps a couple talents that’s it

[terse bolt]

cant wait to see how shit sub will be next patch without invigorating

[fiery turret]

Aight. Just feel like the active playerbase is pretty small, which makes me doubt whether I can believe murlok's talentbuilds, or whether they're for 3's. Like for instance, do people run thrown precision/crimson tempest against all enemy comps or primarily pet-classes?

• Also seen people drop arterial precision/zoldyck, and instead run dragon-tempered and kingsbane.

I guess that i've just gotten a bit confused as of late :b

[potent pivot]

thrown precision or strata is just personal preference really
you want CT against basically everything

kingsbane and DTB are both pretty meh, but when paired with Fatebound's double Step talent they can be an alternative build for going against frost mages

[tender ember]

i mostly do thrown vs pres/udk/bm when i know i hit at least 3 frequntly, big cp vs rest mostly as rmp

[runic trench]

Optimistic the only way from there is up

Unless they decide to delete shadowdance next

Also for the majority of players like me who use invigorating badly there is no real change

Besides no sepsis

[fiery turret]

any feedback on this build then? or is it within the "standard"-build?

[potent pivot]

looks like the same build from the pins as far as i can tell

i'd recommend using cheat instead of eslusiveness

[fiery turret]

Alright. Will look into that. I guess I just can't understand why we run cheat death. 20% damage reduction with about 40% uptime (and during CD's etc) just seems so strong.

[potent pivot]

because for elu to be effective you have to press feint pre stun and shit

cheat just saves you when you would have otherwise died

pretty much everyone has been running cheat for quite a while now

[fiery turret]

Mhm, alright.

[stoic lava]

2385 then lose outlaw dream dead

its okay buffs tomorrow

[rancid mist]

I went from 1420 to 1548 today. Feeling pretty good about that climb, and I'm amazed at how impactful Sub can feel in a RBG..

[runic trench]

I’ve gotten to the point in shuffle where the lowest ill get is 3-3 consistently

I’m going nowhere lmao but atleast it’s not down

[rancid mist]

Just gotta keep on keepin' on, I guess. I like RBG's because I feel a lot more useful than I do in arenas haha

[runic trench]

True

I’m a fan of blitz

More action than sitting on a point staring at a flag for 15 minutes

[rancid mist]

Yeah, I think Blitz is really nice. Matches are quick, losses don't feel like you are losing everything since the queue is shorter.

I had an amazing GIlneas game where I sat the mine flag, and everyone communicated and called and if I called inc, a warrior would show and blast them with me.

Just feels super nice.

Had another where it felt like we'd lost by the 4 minute mark, but we turned it around and won with 20 seconds left haha

[stoic lava]

nice! grats 🙂

[rancid mist]

Thanks ❤️

[warped gate]

Meanwhile I’m over here getting my cheeks clapped at 1500, waiting for buffs.

You got any VOD’s or anything? I’d love to see how a high level TWW Outlaw does.

[potent pivot]

nahj was playing outlaw yesterday

if you wanna check out his vods

[warped gate]

Lit, thanks.

I mainly wanna know what to do when not sending damage.

CC healer, CC off-target, when to use it, etc.

[potent pivot]

you're pretty much always dpsing

[warped gate]

I noticed in the AWC, the rogue is always swapping.

I can’t figure out why though.

[potent pivot]

defensives

[warped gate]

I’m guessing it’s because a guy put up a wall.

[potent pivot]

or they look like a better target because they have less defensives

[warped gate]

I only play Shuffle though, so it’s not like I can coordinate with the other guy, so unless they put up like a Jesus defensive like Touch of Karma or Bubble, I dunno if it’s worth swapping, because the other guy might not go with me.

Or the Lock puts up a wall and I swap, and then he obliterates so I’m like yeah, maybe I should stay on that guy anyway to interrupt.

Or shit goes bad and I back off behind a pillar, healer tops me off, we’re stabilizing, except the other DPS is still out and got wrecked.

So I’m like man, should I have stayed behind the pillar? Yeah it was the other dude’s fault, but how much of it is mine for not adapting?

[orchid plinth]

Nahj VoD including a lot of Outlaw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jk0x5SkKZ8

[warped gate]

Thanks.

[orchid plinth]

Shuffle start at 1h59min

[vague comet]

server is going down in 15 mins right?

[spring bough]

It’s Tuesday right? Could be any amount of time never know with blizz lol

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/chissmyhutt-imready-swtor-gaming-malguscito-gif-18059033938299105866

[spring bough]

We get buffs? What?

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-back-estoy-de-vuelta-toy-story2-gif-26436333

[sturdy zealot]

what physical effects does veil of midnight affect?

[potent pivot]

like all harmful physical effects like it says

bleeds and other physical debuffs etc

[sturdy zealot]

why do we generally pick it over something like disarm

since both seem to be there to deal with physical

[potent pivot]

we don't

[sturdy zealot]

in blitz too?

[potent pivot]

we take disarm against specs that it's good against

we take veil where disarm isn't needed or veil is better

in blitz either is fine

[sturdy zealot]

ahh gotcha tyty

[potent pivot]

can get use out of either

but veil clears bleeds which helps

[sturdy zealot]

yea that makes sense

[static pawn]

dude looks like he plays guitar in a metal band

[spring bough]

Are we sure this was a 4% inch for outlaw? Out here tipping one million on ST DPS on pvp dummy 😂

1.2 mil BTE wilding

2 casts KS for 4.5 mil total too. God damn lol

Ight in a solo blitz and outlaw feels bonkers

Completely annihilated this mistweaver going for flag

[rancid mist]

Neat

[spring bough]

890k BTE in game on that mistweaver 😂

[stoic spruce]

Shhh

[spring bough]

Feels better than before they nerfed us two or three weeks ago wait what 😂

[potent pivot]

You have more gear now dog

[hidden moth]

@potent pivot what we thinkin this week, lookin like a trinket angle.

[potent pivot]

Ofc you’re gonna be doing more than back then

[potent pivot]

Just depends on what you’ve got rn. If medallion is your last green item then prolly, but you can also get 4p this week iirc

[hidden moth]

already got it

current green pieces are both trinkets and neck

850 conq to spend when i hit cap

prob upgrading alacrity trinket

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure if i want to transfer the head/chest to tier...

with this week reset

[potent pivot]

you playing both sin and sub?

if so i don't think either set up will really hinder you

but i'd prolly stick with 2p and gear for sub

[surreal barn]

I agree

I feel like 4pc would have been so much nicer in say s4 when we have boosted stats

[potent pivot]

i think it woulda been worth using if they didn't nerf the set bonuses

[surreal barn]

I was under the impression sub wasn’t nerfed?

They fix it?

[potent pivot]

yeah they fixed it

[dull bridge]

are you running 4set sinnen

[spring bough]

i am using four set

yall know what is beyond frustrating? about to steal a cap. get feral to use trinket. then as im about to hit Kidney my hunter rolls up and hits intimidate and fucks the cap

LOVE IT

love a nice 3 second stun for a 5 second flag cap

[gusty hedge]

anyone have an updated / working Dr tracking addon? dr edit and original dr addon not working for me

[potent pivot]

gladius

[gusty hedge]

i have 3, was using ex version, do you know if dr tracking works outside of arena, preferably in all pvp combat?

[lime oar]

Damn did I gimp myself crafting 639 neck? I thought sub 4 set is a joke

[potent pivot]

he plays sin

[lime oar]

Ahhh shieeet ok my b.

[rancid mist]

I hope I can hit 1800 before dust goes away. It feels really nice in BG's...

[lime oar]

U can track DR’s on the nameplates in wpvp yeah

Don’t think it’s gladius tho. It’s prob diminish

[gusty hedge]

yeah it was working a few weeks ago, this last week full of Lua errors uninstalled reinstalled, not working, not to sure the problem, feels off throwing stuns into dr

[lime oar]

I liked being able to track trinket on nameplate too so I could be a rat in wpvp and see who had it or not. But the addon I used for it isn’t updated

[gusty hedge]

exactly haha😭

[waxen meteor]

yeah

i think even for sin, i can't convince myself that much since this season our vers are <30% mostly

the 5% growth in bleed dmg is great

but we also trade 1100 vers ish to haste/crit

[potent pivot]

almost no one really has a bunch of vers

i've been playing with 25-28%, feels good

[waxen meteor]

i don't mean the vers for sin only

i mean evne for sin, the 5% bleed dmg

the value is depreciated a bit because low vers

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[waxen meteor]

ultimately we are trading like 1200 vers for haste/crit and a bit less than 5% mastery

where haste for me has almost zero value

just trading 1200 vers for like 600 cirt and 5% mastery

[potent pivot]

haste and crit are fine for sin

[waxen meteor]

i really don't think 2% haste does anything you can notice

normal attack 2% speed -> you get like 1 more hit per 50 ish

dot speed for 2% hmm

[potent pivot]

it's not only about the raw energy for sin

it gives raw dmg to dots

because they tick faster, but over the same duration, resulting in extra ticks

which snowballs into more energy

the vers you lose running 4p just doesn't matter

[waxen meteor]

my point is, 2% doesn't give you any real faster

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's why i mean those haste means 0 value

[potent pivot]

....

it's not

[waxen meteor]

you dot tiks 2% faster

what does it mean

for 18 secs dot for garrote for example

do you have one more tik?

or what's the true value

[potent pivot]

yeah

[orchid plinth]

Stats are stats

Number good

[waxen meteor]

in PvE it's fine

[potent pivot]

you're putting way too much thought into something that realistically does not matter

[waxen meteor]

in PvP small amount of haste for me just means no stat

[potent pivot]

in pvp it's fine

[waxen meteor]

if you get to a point where you can have additional tik or whatever, probably okay

[orchid plinth]

Sure you don't want a lot of Haste as Sub but Sin is like... STAT GOOD Literally. Sure you want Vers but...

[waxen meteor]

but with 2% haste, we literally have almost no gain

[potent pivot]

additional ticks come as partial ticks

not just whole ticks

[waxen meteor]

what is partial ticks

[potent pivot]

that's just not true at all

[rough geyser]

you can wear two of the same algari competitor's signet?

[waxen meteor]

maybe i need to leanr that 🙂

[rough geyser]

or do the secondary stats have to be different

[potent pivot]

2% haste is still more than +1% dmg inc

[waxen meteor]

i don't understand, could you walk me through it

[potent pivot]

very similar to how "+1% mastery is +1% dmg"

[waxen meteor]

1% mastery is easy, your tik dmg was 100, now it's 101

[orchid plinth]

Yea and they can have the same stat. They are not Unique-Equipped. See Nahj wearing them for example: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/nahj

[waxen meteor]

1% drvies a difference

[potent pivot]

mastery holds more value, but 2% haste does not equal 0

[waxen meteor]

where

[potent pivot]

wdym where

it's extra dmg added to dots

[waxen meteor]

my tik is 100 each time, whole dot for 18 seconds

2% haste

where is the gain

does my garrot have one more tik with 2% haste？

no

imo

[rough geyser]

Any tips for gearing? I have 9 forged gladiator heraldry stuff

What should I get crafted

[potent pivot]

..............yes.............

[waxen meteor]

how?????

[potent pivot]

it's not a matter of opinion

it's fact

[waxen meteor]

i cannot understand maybe i am dumb

please walk me through it, i am super confused

i have a dot that lasts 18 seconds, tiks every 2 sec, 9 tiks

[potent pivot]

put on some haste gear

and watch the ticks

[waxen meteor]

if i got 50% haste, yeah, tiks every 1 sec, i might end of with 18 tiks

2%?

i don't think i get any more tiks

[potent pivot]

bro

go check it

before arguing any more

[median furnace]

Hey, is sub looking to wear 4 piece for pvp?

[potent pivot]

not looking like it

[orchid plinth]

Most people wear Shoulders Legs currently

[median furnace]

yeah thats waht I got, was just thinking of what the plan was for when we can have 4 set, or can we already have 4 set?

[waxen meteor]

I just tested it

9 tiks

0 haste vs 400 haste

both 9 tiks

[orchid plinth]

[potent pivot]

400

it's a pointless conversation

[waxen meteor]

did another test for 1000 haste

same result

that's basically what you get from head tier

[rancid mist]

What do people do to keep their sanity up during loss streaks?

[potent pivot]

if i log in

and show you that you're wrong

already fed up with this discussion because it's a poinltess argument

[potent pivot]

take a break

[rancid mist]

Probably the best idea, yeah

[waxen meteor]

first you could guide me through where in theory, 2 or 3% haste can do anything

then i can think it through

u said just log on game to try

so i did

[potent pivot]

with the amount of crafted gear and customization we can do with stats now, losing 1k vers for tier

literally does not matter in the slightest

if you really want to you can use vers goggles, or conq neck and 1 conq ring

it's a nonexistent issue

[waxen meteor]

i am fine with gear selection in the end

but i disagree with the value of low haste gear

[potent pivot]

sin isn't sub

[waxen meteor]

my point was if haste doesn't reach something close to 11%, it almost means you have no stat

[potent pivot]

it has multiple good interactions with haste

[waxen meteor]

like?

[potent pivot]

.......

[waxen meteor]

we just tested the dots don't give you more dots like low haste

it will give you more tiks only when your haste reaches a certain value

and that threshold is probably we will never reach anyway

so before that threshold, the haste is almost zero value

[potent pivot]

don't think so

it's always added partial ticks

[waxen meteor]

what is partial ticks

maybe i am not educated on this part

[potent pivot]

partial damage

like if you're garrote is hitting 20k per tick, it will do a partial tick

of 5k or w/e based on the %

[waxen meteor]

you mean from this?

[potent pivot]

idr the exact math on it

no

from the haste itself

[woven sage]

For the healing debuff poison, and healing reduction on shiv, is this all healing received and cast?

What's the maximum reduction possible?

[potent pivot]

haste % can almost be equated to that much dmg % added to dots, it's just less valuable than mastery

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure what you mean still
I added my gear to 6000 haste, now garrot has one more tiks

it's 10 tiks now

so basically same as i guessed from math

[potent pivot]

they don't stack, so whatever is the highest applied debuff at the time, is the one that is active

[nova viper]

Just copy-paste from murlok

Trust me

[potent pivot]

most likely the partial dmg was just added to one of your 9 ticks

before

if i had to guess

[waxen meteor]

the truth is the one or two side stats don't determine most our win/loss, for sure :))))

just theory crafting

[potent pivot]

this is why i keep saying it's a pointless conversation

tier set = more damage

[waxen meteor]

murlok leaders may not have most optimized gear as well

[potent pivot]

every awc player that's played sin has also run 4 set

[waxen meteor]

i am more concerned about what gear do i buy from conquest this week

prbly necklace, 3 socket!

or rings, that i will finally spend on the good enchantment

[rancid mist]

1548 fallen to 1469. At least it fell to a funny number. Should've probably taken a break few matches ago instead of losing more, haha

I do have a rating question actually. Yesterday I was just over 1430~ when I stopped. Then today I had a win that gave me 80 rating, and another that gave me 50. Then a few more that were 9 - 11ish. Is that due to the MMR value, and are big jumps like that common as time goes on?

[waxen meteor]

for blitz or solo

blitz is also very confusing to me....

solo, basically yeah, it's your MMR

[rancid mist]

Blitz, specifically.

[waxen meteor]

it should be also mmr

but it seems to be working out very strange

[rancid mist]

Nod I'm just confused why I sometimes get the HUGE gain. It's nice though

If it could give me 2 - 3 more of those...

[waxen meteor]

like i started to lose point when i was even at 14xx, then i figured oh that probably be my mmr

then had another two wins each gave me 100 ish CR immediately after

tbh i am not sure how it was possible

[rancid mist]

Yeah I wish it was more obvious.

[waxen meteor]

but i also don't pay much attention to blitz cr

it just surprised me the cr gain

[rancid mist]

It's a nice surprise, haha

getting that 80 today was really nice since it put me so much closer to 1600

[waxen meteor]

i did arena to 1600 first week, so i was a bit worry free for blitz rating :)))))

it's like a daily honor farm for me really

to reach the sockets...

[rancid mist]

I'm only doing this for the 1800 elite set 'cos it's the ideal outfit for me.

But it's fun, outside of the losing streaks. Plus also finally getting some RBG achievements.

[waxen meteor]

it looks not that good to me...

[rancid mist]

Closest I can get to playable etherals and it's PURPLE.

If it was the teal variant i'd simply not bother but since it's the purple one.. I gotta do it

[waxen meteor]

i've been enjoying our s8 lately!

tried this season's, didn't really like it

may try it again with some different head or cape

[rancid mist]

It's the head I love so much, haha.

[waxen meteor]

i think i have been defaulting hide helmet for like 1232128312038120 years

i feel all time spent on plastic surgery is wasted othewise!

[rancid mist]

Male human looks so bad for me, and I've always wanted to be an etherals so it's ideal.

Blizz finally getting me to pvp (properly) after 15 years.

[waxen meteor]

I like the solo arena and bg

avoid social and appointment haha

[rancid mist]

Yeah, I think they're really nice. If it was just organized I'd probably not be bothering.

Although some of the BG's can be soul crushing when nobody talks, even when you try to organize. And then immediately get vocal when you start losing

[waxen meteor]

i run into random iq 10 players every now and then in blitz

[wise breach]

Hey folks, can anyone check if this is true?
https://x.com/leekatv/status/1843672036109107311

Chris (@leekatv) on X

Assa Rogue Tier set pvp nerf removed?

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 3:17 PM

[waxen meteor]

but overall plyable

[waxen meteor]

we getting a bufffffff?

[rancid mist]

Yeah it's def playable. I'm at 42 rounds played and 21 have been wins.

[waxen meteor]

50/50 perfectly

so you didn't play

[potent pivot]

likely a mistake from the changes they made to the set

i wouldn't expect it to last, if it's even true

[wise breach]

Yeah that would be my guess as well

[long shore]

hey guys which pieces should i buy with bloody tokens as Sub?

[potent pivot]

only pieces that really matter are belt/cloak, but you'll replace them later

[long shore]

im a fresh 80 with 1800 bloody tokens from looting chests

[potent pivot]

if you can buy any extra pieces to supplement your gearing, that's fine but it'll get replaced

[long shore]

so wondering which pieces should i prioritise first

[waxen meteor]

wrist, belt are almost bis

big mastery cloak is also very good

[long shore]

okay, how about hands?

[waxen meteor]

at this moment of the season, you can afford hand. chest too

so you can spend your conquest somewhere else

[long shore]

should i buy dagger?

[waxen meteor]

no

[long shore]

ok i can use honor to buy dagger first then

[waxen meteor]

well, if you farm 2200 or 2600 conquest, you get weapon automatically

[long shore]

so belt / wrist / cloak and hand + chest if i can afford it ya

[waxen meteor]

yes

cloak has two options for vers/mastery

[long shore]

get the big mastery one correct?

[waxen meteor]

at this season, i am not certain tbh

but i grabbed the big mastery one

[long shore]

cool cool ill do that tyty

[waxen meteor]

1600 -> leg

buy shoulder -> convert to tier

then blood coin max to get those pieces mentioned above

farm the conquest mission to have weapon

invest remainder of your conquest to conquest gears

pbly go with head/badge first

[long shore]

gotcha!

i need to buy a trinket too

using hono

honor

[waxen meteor]

honor is easy

if you feel 1600 is challenging then obviously adjust accordingly

[long shore]

dont waste money on enchants until i get conquest gear AKA purples correct?

[waxen meteor]

that depends on how rich you are

[long shore]

will the bracers be replaced for sub?

[potent pivot]

all bloody token stuff will be replaced

[pliant mauve]

Are people still running 4 set for assa? About to convert head and chest to tier but don't want to bust to fast...

[potent pivot]

yeah but not sure if helm or gloves

[waxen meteor]

if you craft

basically 3 item level gain

not a lot

[dull bridge]

vers hasnt been that big of a deal since they reworked the pvp set bonus. it's not bad but if youre losing 1% dr to get 5% damage its worth it imo. just gotta be aware of what youre gaining/losing

[waxen meteor]

true

but i might go with vers enchantment on rings though

[long shore]

anyone know where is the sparks quest giver?

oh i found it

the ruffious guy

[fervent cobalt]

Bro so if sub doesnt run 4 set, do I just craft helm or something

Im lost at what to do.

lol

[worthy crag]

so we seein a lot of ferals sp and bm on shuffle rn?

after reset

[shy bolt]

I might be cooked, but where can I find food/water to be used in solo blitz? Surely its not only mage water?

[worthy crag]

its only mage water

[shy bolt]

I figured out theres actually a vendor in the bgs

but its pretty bad

375k mana over 20 sec

better to just go die ig

[potent pivot]

Just craft whatever has the most agi, can’t really go wrong as long as you buy/craft the right item for said slot

[fervent cobalt]

yeah I crafted mast/vers helm and bought ring

[potent pivot]

You prolly want 2x crafted rings

[fervent cobalt]

really?

for most mastery

[potent pivot]

Yep

[fervent cobalt]

T.T

Fooook

[potent pivot]

It’s not that big of a deal

You can fix it later

[fervent cobalt]

yea

I went elemental focus lens also this week

was dusk

Does a lot of dmg

kinda nice

[potent pivot]

I’m not really sold on it yet

[fervent cobalt]

It just did about 3m dmg in my last 2's match

not sure how often I stay above 80% for the versa

[potent pivot]

usually a lot more than you'd expect

[fervent cobalt]

in tight matches its just not there

maybe for people better then me

[proven sapphire]

Is sub running 2 or 4 set

[potent pivot]

2

[proven sapphire]

thank god

I fucked my gear

[warped gate]

Is there a way to hustle the system to get Fateful Ending?

I thought I could with Double Jeopardy, but I must've read it wrong because it's not working.

[lone anvil]

If I want to test this can I just buy the embellishments and put them on or do I have to legit craft whole new pieces of gear

[warped gate]

You can just recraft it for money.

[safe pelican]

Gf just cost me a shuffle insta -120 rating 🫠

Yes.

[lone anvil]

That's a pricey way to try new embellishments 😅

[jolly sierra]

did she unplugged the computer?

[tribal badger]

damn outlaw buff lookin BIGGGG

580k btes xd

i love full plate lobbies

feels like im tickling

[winged wind]

does anyone else feel like wound poison does nothing in pvp... i am decently geared player and healers just auto walk and insta heal thru all my dmg.... thoughts?

[tribal badger]

healers arent meant to be killed 1v1 without high levels of dampening

they wouldnt be very effective at keeping 2 people, let alone teams of people alive in bgs

if they could just be out damaged sitting on one solo

a good healer playing right will never die solo to a good player playing right without dampening involved

[winged wind]

ok thanks it just seems no outplay tho, healers are all isntant casts now and i watch 1 healer tank 3 of us with eas in bgs and i watch them instant healer 25-100 with instant casts and wound stacked on them

[torpid swan]

They eventually run out of cooldowns to press

[pliant mauve]

Since I’m not as smart as you people so can someone tell me why we Assa goes serrated boner spike instead of kingsbane and authority of the radiant spark instead of depths? I’m sure in an actual arena they’re better but sitting on the target dummy while on a phone call I did 7 minutes of each and KB and Depths gave me more overall damage and much higher burst.

Radiant power*

[vague comet]

so hows outlaw?

[hidden moth]

Dps will eventually kill the healer but thats simply bc the heal ooms at some point

[hidden moth]

bone spike is for cp's

not damage

also counts as a bleed so it counts toward sudden demise damage threshold

[pliant mauve]

Ok. That makes sense. The lack of combo pts in the opener was definitely noticeable.

[hidden moth]

They run out of cd's to be able to do that and bc they heal 20% less they will need to use cd's more often to catch/keep up with incoming damage.
Also since they do 20% less healing that means they must spend 20% more mana/ use cd's 20% sooner than normal to keep/catch up

[hidden moth]

yeah even in pve u run it for combos

[runic trench]

not before the healer kills dps most of the time

[hidden moth]

idk, as a disc priest fury out heals my damage

ret pal/ enhance/ feral and boomie/ lock/mage/priest/ windwalker, evoker, dk and war even dh should out heal the solo healers dps

just from leech

but disc also does the least dam out of any healer per ability press at least.

just wish they would like increase discs damage done but reduce atonement
So atonement healing is still around the same numerical value as it is now, but the dps of the priest goes up

[runic trench]

That sounds terrible. I remember s1 of df with disc doing as much dps as a normal dps in addition to healing. It was so bad

[worthy crag]

damn anniv patch is on 22nd

[stoic spruce]

And then bo6 launches that Saturday

Wtf

[hidden moth]

ehhhh

only cool think is the proxy chat and zombies

[stoic spruce]

And campaign

I wanna see

[hidden moth]

valid

[stoic spruce]

CW had a great campaign

[hidden moth]

idk why but i felt the last good campaign was advanced warfares lol

but i didnt play through mw remastereds or coldwars

[stoic spruce]

For some reason I'm not good at treyarch MP so I won't be attempting it

[hidden moth]

only got cold war for zombies

imo treyarch has the best zombies and gun play etc. and bo1 bo2 multi was so good but

advanced and infinite warfare mp was just JUICY

dive bombing a kid with the in air stomp while both of u were in the air was just so fun

[stoic spruce]

My performance between non-treyarch and treyarch MP is night and day

Like

1.9KD vs 0.8KD

I never liked the gunplay

Maybe now that they have every cod on the same engine, that'll help.

[runic trench]

Outlaw is really fun but all these pistol procs are giving me muscle cramps lmao

[hidden moth]

new keybind lol

bouta say fuck it and force myself ot learn sub bc assa is gettng annoying to play

see so much shit subns do better

[runic trench]

I’m tempted to put it in mouswheel lmao

[outer sky]

My damage lmfao

[waxen meteor]

so many rogues

[outer sky]

the other assa rogue did less than 1/3rd my damage

[waxen meteor]

our damage is really linked to the role though

[outer sky]

i def shouldnt be 135m above the 2nd highest

[hidden moth]

just put it on e lol

[hidden moth]

facts

[runic trench]

E is my adrenaline rush + trinket macro

Tbf depends on what they did

Sometimes you’re pushing a cart no one goes to

So you’re just chilling all game

[hidden moth]

then when it goes south "L rogue 0 damage"

lmfao

[runic trench]

Such is life

[potent pivot]

they result in more damage

[potent pivot]

By using inevitability as well

[potent pivot]

SBS will also do more damage

[hidden moth]

over time yeah but i think he meant in a burst

also is it just me or did people lose their enduring bloodstone when they converted their gear to tier

[lone anvil]

Have you guys ever been stuck in a never end Ashran

[hidden moth]

they said i can do team fight

[lone anvil]

No one is doing the objective. But no one can kill boss either. This mage with 4billion damage says he's been in the BG over 2 hours

[hidden moth]

brto

Windowsw+shift+s

then ctrl+v

[lone anvil]

I'm in the middle of a BG

[hidden moth]

so u took a picture?

[lone anvil]

I'm not going to take a screenshot save it in paint and upload it

Yeah much faster

[hidden moth]

u dont need to save it in paint

[lone anvil]

To uSe phone

All my screenshots saved in paint bruh

[hidden moth]

are u on lynix

[lone anvil]

Anyways stop trolling you've seen me post legit screen caps before

But have y'all ever seen a never ending ashran like this

[hidden moth]

Im legit not trolling im trying to help u dawg

[dim oriole]

When you take screenshot it will copy to clipboard automatically

[lone anvil]

I joined late. Some dude said it's been going on 2 hours

[dim oriole]

It's not windows XP anymore

[hidden moth]

mmmmhmhmmmmm

i love the team fight on silvershard

[dim oriole]

Used to be like 48 hour AVs back in the day

[hidden moth]

Isnt record av like a week long

[hidden moth]

has to be an ashran game. fuck that map

[lone anvil]

Look at the mage with 4 billion damage and 1 bil healing

WTF'

[hidden moth]

i mean when u can sit in the back and spam dam for 3 hours

[lone anvil]

So ashran isn't on a timer. I'm confused

I was in there 30+ min and left before it ended lol

[hidden moth]

no timer

kinda

it has a reinforcement system

first team to kill enemy boss (never seen it happen) or first team to kill the enemy team 300 times i think

but u can buy lives with the shard thing

@potent pivot i realize the reason people are taking the 7 second cloak. its for the juicer cloak caps

[runic trench]

I’ve just learned that cheapshot can’t miss or be dodged

That’s so sick

[vestal cape]

Was it classic ashran? The brawl?

[hidden moth]

Its a "cheap" shot

hehe

also step kidney a rogue during evasion shuts down their defensive

[azure rapids]

does sub use 4 set?

[orchid plinth]

No, not at the moment.

Shoulder + Legs

[hidden moth]

why not though? does that not make ur burst go bonkers

8% more dam on those 2 eviscerates in the opener

[orchid plinth]

Beacause people tested it and it's worse, I don't have the monster math

[hidden moth]

fair

[orchid plinth]

You usually Evis into ST anyway, no, for bigger Danse stacks on ST?

[hidden moth]

i thought it was like cheap, dance/symbols/blades/tea/secret tech/ cheap/evis/cheap evis

[orchid plinth]

I guess when you go for giga burst with blades up but you are still losing a lot of Mastery and Vers by running 4set as well

[hidden moth]

fair

[runic trench]

Is outlaw running 4p

[azure rapids]

yes

the bonus to BTE is nice,

i think most got 4th piece today so we will see how it goes

and we got a small dmg increase:P

[stoic lava]

imagine 4p is nice with crit/vers build

[stoic lava]

anyone know how bg blitz map rotation works

im so sick of getting the same map 3 times ina row lol

[summer breach]

in case someone cares about 2v2

[azure rapids]

I think it`s rng

never seen any order to it

[azure rapids]

If its Arathi Basin its a win 😛

love that map

[summer breach]

I tested many different talent variants. While I do suggest crimson tempest in many Setups u don’t need it

Carnage is almost mandatory, although many seem to not play it in 2s

I think its better than KB + SBS combo

[gusty hedge]

4pc slaps with bte bonus+ now we got our latest nerf reversed. Can seap out alacrity trinket dor badge for more crit (since helmet mostly haste/mastery.) Most still running alacrity over badge tho

[stoic lava]

YES SIRRRR

[vague summit]

Quick question.. I'm striving to just get the glad dagger. Is it best to just do RBGS

If that's the case.. what is the recommended spec? I haven't pvp'd since SL

[potent pivot]

Yeah I don’t think Carnage is better than KB in 2s

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think the other key thing is he was talking about hitting 1 target dummy, while arena is multi target.
@pliant mauve

[potent pivot]

It’s probably best to do 2s if you can win a decent amount of matches to farm the 2500 conq

[summer breach]

Into many matchups carnage feels way stronger than KB

while at a little lower mmr it doesn’t at all, at high mmr u notice it a lot

[vague summit]

Ty!

[long shore]

im doing world pvp, and in stealth. and keep getting broken out randomly

is stealth bugged again for the 5th expansion in a row?!

no dots on me, even have a shield, and just randomly get knocked out

[dapper chasm]

It started breaking in TBC for me

My in-world explanation has always been that we accidentally step in doo-doo while stealthing

[waxen meteor]

yes

[long shore]

i get knocked out almost the same moment i vanish

and i thought vanish gives me a 3s immunity window

i even have the talent to give 18% shield

no dots, no aggro, just randomly get knocked out in world pvp zone

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's also true

this indian coding is really annoying

[dapper chasm]

I'll be brutally honest - sounds like a skill issue

[waxen meteor]

nuh it's not skill issue

[dapper chasm]

People with skill issues say that

[waxen meteor]

you can stay 100 miles away from fight still kicked out from stealth

[dapper chasm]

Skill issue

[waxen meteor]

[dapper chasm]

[long shore]

i dont think its a skill issue bro

no AOE touched me

[waxen meteor]

i honestly even start to feel we have 6 seconds stealth skill usage after breaking stealth, is because someone cannot fix stealth bug

pretty soon we become warriors

[long shore]

im standing on a mountain with no player nearby, watching the fight below. and then get popped out

[waxen meteor]

it was 3 sec

now it's 6

when stealth cannot happen due to technical issues in 12.0, this will become a 20 sec skill

[orchid plinth]

Singular Focus breaks stealth

[long shore]

also random question: what is best rogue spec now for pvp?

[orchid plinth]

If you are playing Deathstalker

[waxen meteor]

Singular Focus is another main reason yes

[summer breach]

overall its but you have to be better to make it work compared to assa

*Sub

[potent pivot]

There’s multiple auras from other classes the break stealth even 100yards away

It kinda seems like they’re flagged not to break stealth in arena, but our own talent Singular Focus does as well

But in wpvp/BGs they break stealth for some reason

[long shore]

how does sub compare to outlaw?

any one can advice how to craft gear?

i dont really know the mechanics

[potent pivot]

can probably look up a guide to it that'll actually show you

[hidden moth]

Tricks, i was 1v1 a rogue at a base, he said he kidney me after a blind but it said immune any reason that wouldve happened

i wasnt on any stun dr

[potent pivot]

evasion? idk

[orchid plinth]

FAP

[potent pivot]

you're sure you weren't DR'd?

awc open bracket for cup 3 today

[rough geyser]

What's the strat in blitz as outlaw?

[hidden moth]

i wasnt dr'd

i thought maybe evasion but wouldnt that say "dodged" not immuine

[hidden moth]

same as the other 2 specs sit bases and merc efc

[rough geyser]

Right

How do I prevent another rogue from capping

[hidden moth]

u can fc as outlaw bc of step and the hook

uhhh

sap em

kindey blind

[rough geyser]

Yeah but once they're immune

Like if I go to fight them

[hidden moth]

hit them?

[rough geyser]

Yeah I tried killing a sub that was capping

I was killing him but then he cc'd me for 5 secs

I trinketed

hit me with kidney

capped under my nose

And then died

I dunno what I should have done differently

[hidden moth]

evasioned the kidney

[rough geyser]

Guess so

I switched veil pvp talent for disarm for these situations

Worst part is gonna be finding a keybind for it

[hidden moth]

u can kidnety through disarm

[rough geyser]

Oh

lol

I didn't know but it does make sense

[surreal barn]

I personally would have expected that and stepped + kidney

[hidden moth]

i dodged a step kindey earlier

if u turn fast enough

[surreal barn]

There’s no gcd on step so imo you just got lucky

[hidden moth]

just gotta predit it and turn

they can also gcd lock themselves before they step

[surreal barn]

No harm in trying

[hidden moth]

true

also if u dont want them to cap with kidney, u can walk 30 yrd away from flag

if the step kidney they need to walk to the flag to start caping

so the walk back could slow their cap enough that kidney falls in time and u can poison knife them

unless the bomb but thats a situational thin

[rough geyser]

turn fast enough?

[hidden moth]

evasion makes ur dodge chance go 100%

u cant dodge something that is behind u

so if he shadow step kidneys

he teleports behind u and its undodgeable but if u turn to face him after the step but before the kidney you will be facing him and u dodge the kidney

[worthy crag]

it prob has more to do with the opponent's latency than the speed at which ur turning

[hidden moth]

speed of turn, latency, reaction time

all play a factor yes

but dont expect to do it if ur keyboard turning

[wanton breach]

hold up, just gotta press D for a few seconds

[worthy crag]

backpedal and keyturn and then win the game, thats the most mental damage you can inflict on the enemy

[rancid mist]

My favourite win so far has been after a guy had a huge wobbler in chat about how bad everyone was. And then we won.

[graceful ravine]

1. Sap - > wait 2-3 secs into cap - > sap -- wait 2-3 secs into cap - > sap last time
2. Blind -- > wait 2-3 secs into cap - > cheapshot -> vanish IMMEDIATELY -- > wait 2-3 secs into cap - > Cheap shot VANISH (last vanish)
3. Wait 2-3 secs into Cap - > pistol shot from max range, sprint behind a pillar

youve successfully just wasted 30 secs, enough time for a teammate to rotate over, or the flag to cap over

you NEVER want to fight a sub rogue on top of a flag

its a bait everytime

[median umbra]

you guys skipping kingsbane in pvp?

[potent pivot]

most of the time ye

[median umbra]

Damn I expected it to be a big part of damage or something but I’m no rogue expert

[potent pivot]

It can be good in certain situations, like 2v2, or if you’re trying to run down a single target a lot in 3s

But we mostly play for big aoe cleave in 3s

[indigo hill]

For what rating is he doing that list? Rank 1 players?

[orchid plinth]

Whaazz seems to be streaming the AWC 3 cup: https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz

[lone anvil]

So for assassination, we are doing legs, chest, shoulders, gloves for the tier set and then for helm either crafted helm or engineering?

[worthy crag]

not sure id put MM as god tier

[worthy crag]

stand 30 yrs from flag and just press shuriken toss or poisoned knife

If you are outlaw... call for help xd

[potent pivot]

Pretty much everyone streams open brackets themselves

[orchid plinth]

Yeah but he was playing before now he's watching the others play yes.

Only caught when they played vs Niksi on Outlaw

[warped gate]

Just in general.

Here's the final list and I really didn't feel like turning HDR off so prepare your shades:

[indigo hill]

Spriest s tier? They suddenly do so much more damage?

[warped gate]

Here's the vid if you wanna see his reasoning: https://youtu.be/ybOqUQZffIU

I dunno who the guy is, it just popped up in my feed, so I dunno how much weight his words have.

Skill Capped thinks so too.

tf they do to sp's

[lone anvil]

I don't see many assignation rogues on Murlock running the 4 pc

Moat are running 2pc

[lone anvil]

They have gotten small buffs last three updates. Including, I believe back to back 5% buffs to all of their damage and they weren't bad before the buffs

Last few updates I think Spriest has gotten buffs

[jolly sierra]

can be a matter of time, or maybe they noticed is the same by just using conq pieces xdd

[worthy crag]

sp was already borderline op, just flying under the radar

[lone anvil]

Agreed

[worthy crag]

then they got buffed last reset

[lone anvil]

There were other classes more in the line light like frost mage, fury warrior, affliction so those specs all caught nerfs. Spriest was never under performing imo

[lone anvil]

I'm thinking about just crafting the algari head piece this week instead of going for my 4 PC tier in bonus

I don't know if it hasn't been updated. But I also noticed rogues using the green forged honor chest piece lol

[potent pivot]

you never know if some people are using diff gear for an off spec

or if it's just people's alts

[lone anvil]

Yeah true

I checked a few top assassination rogues in 3v3 and blitz and no one I checked was using 4 PC

But I'll look more thoroughly

[potent pivot]

murlok is an okay resources if you know how to look at it, it's not the bible

[lone anvil]

Yeah