pvp

[wanton breach]

yes, you just need the spell ids for both spells

[potent pivot]

i think you can do it without spell IDs now

[wanton breach]

haven't tried that and I'm a bit doubtful, might try it though

[potent pivot]

try

/cast [known:Flagellation] Flagellation;[known:Sepsis] Sepsis``` or something like that

[wanton breach]

what

[potent pivot]

sec

maybe that

[wanton breach]

okay that makes a bit more sense

[glacial barn]

Ok works for flagellation. Will see in a minute if it works for sepsis

[potent pivot]

yeah that works

i just tested myself

just add #showtooltip to the top so you get the tooltip for whatever you're using

[glacial barn]

Alright thanks!

[wanton breach]

doesn't work for sepsis

[potent pivot]

it does

[glacial barn]

It just worked for me

[potent pivot]

i just used it

[worthy crag]

do you have sepsis and flag both known lol

[glacial barn]

No. Just for pve and pvp so I don't have 2 different binds

[wanton breach]

specced out of flagellation and sepsis won't work in that macro

[potent pivot]

idk it's working for me

i just tested it a 3rd time and it didn't swap to flag

but worked the first 2 times i went back n forth

tf

[wanton breach]

i'm gonna try a reload and see again

[topaz bobcat]

just did a nice 0-6

I was the one with 0 wins

healers afked when they saw me ing roup

"pve rogue"

but the lobby had DH and prot war. pain

[wanton breach]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:384631]Flagellation;[known:385408] Sepsis

this however does work

[potent pivot]

it is working without spell IDs

[wanton breach]

yup, tested swapping around talents and it does work

[potent pivot]

it's just not changing the icon itself

[wanton breach]

i tried hitting dummies with the abilities and sepsis didn't go off in your original macro

with spell ids it's working now

[potent pivot]

it's workin

[worthy crag]

I just dont trust using known modifier with spell names

even if they have no whitespace

[potent pivot]

i don't use these macros regardless

i have my bars set up so that everything swaps automatically

[lyric onyx]

This is the way

With spec specific key binds too 🤌

[potent pivot]

but with or without spell IDs i'm getting the exact same outcome

icon picture doesn't change, tooltip does change and proper spell is used when pressing the ability

[fervent cobalt]

Yo I've been using warcraftrecorder but it keeps not recording games. Any other more reliable game recorder

[wanton breach]

i'll try again

[potent pivot]

nvidia shadowplay or w/e it's called

other than that just any screen recording software

[fervent cobalt]

Does it auto record just games

[potent pivot]

nah

[fervent cobalt]

I really like the way warcraftrecorder does it

[hidden moth]

Do you think we will run follow the blood in blitz now instead of momentum of despair?

[fervent cobalt]

Damn

[hidden moth]

Obs

[potent pivot]

nah

[wanton breach]

don't get tooltip for sepsis (no flag talented) and ability doesn't go off

[potent pivot]

for blitz you should be running it anyway imo

as sin

[hidden moth]

Follow the blood?

[potent pivot]

idk it's worked for me twice now

[hidden moth]

Or momentum

[potent pivot]

ye

[hidden moth]

Gotcha

[wanton breach]

flag tooltip works and ability functions

i bet there is some shitty ass difference because of covenant or something

[topaz bobcat]

spriest is op soon right?

[potent pivot]

nah

they buffed a bunch of abilities that don't do much

[potent pivot]

yeah idk, at first it was even changing icons for me (without spell IDs)

then it stopped changing icons and made me think it stopped working altogether because i didn't check the tooltip/cast

those macros behave very oddly

[wanton breach]

i'll try the macro on my timerunning rogue

[potent pivot]

that's why i've always just set up my bars for different builds, so when i swap things like sepsis/flag, they auto swap for me

[hidden moth]

Still going to be rough to 1v1

[wanton breach]

which def doesn't have any covenant

[potent pivot]

yeah the rogue i'm on doesn't have a covenant

never gone to SL on this one

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's going to be much harder than it is right now

[wanton breach]

@potent pivotahahahaha, i was correct - it is working now on a character without any covenant
my main rogues last covenant was venthyr so that is probably interaction with the spell name macro

probably some interference with the covenant flagellation

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

Veil of of shadows is a troll pick on temple btw

[potent pivot]

blizzard product

[hidden moth]

If you run it you cannot cloak with the orb

[wanton breach]

picking up orbs as rogue in kotmogu is pretty troll on it's own

[potent pivot]

Sometimes in lower mmr lobbies I think you can be forced to

Because no one else is

[worthy crag]

always amusing when ppl write essays in whisper after having me on ignore

[jolly sierra]

if they ignores u before u can reply means they lose and just are salty af

[worthy crag]

The irony is funny when a sin loses shuffle and whispers me calling me a pve class

[potent pivot]

Hop on an alt

“Mad cuz bad”

[wanton breach]

way too much effort

[worthy crag]

ive done that before, but i feel like just having them continue on barking with 0 response is the best reaction

Feel like it'd feed their ego if i invest the effort

[stoic spruce]

Send them junk mail on an alt

So much junk

[worthy crag]

lmao

yeah I guess thats a thing now with everything cross realm

[vocal ginkgo]

Yeah but you’re a pro 🤣 I’m just starting out (as a rogue)

Been playing a lot better though, feels good

Will try pushing 1800+ with some skilled pvp friends of mine

[worthy crag]

ppl will say that shit to a sub rogue no matter the mmr

or triple dr shockwave stun

always fun

which is almost my fault for not making the kill target stun immune

so their moves become idiot proof

[jolly sierra]

if you just dont say anything and are just like

"k keep barking" then dont say anything shortly after

and u still see angry whispers

damn

is funny af to see

or still like

"lol that is crazy"

[vocal ginkgo]

Ngl I usually switch classes on every expansion and it’s fun, not neccesarily fotm though 🤣

Makes the game feel more “new” since I have to learn how to play a new or unfamiliar class

I picked rogue because the skill ceiling is supposed to be higher and I wanted to show my friends that even if I switched to a “harder” class/spec, I’d still beat them

Friendly banter tho

[hidden moth]

I’m in 2400-2500 lobbies and I’m still having to pick orbs

Legit I’m getting 250-300 points a game and I’m top victory points bc people refuse to grab

Also I know wound poison is 20% ms at 5 stacks and doesn’t stack with hemo toxin. Does wound hit 40% ms or around that if I have 5 stacks and death mark or nah

[potent pivot]

That’s wild. Say something in the chat or some shit

[hidden moth]

I do dawg I do

I feel like I’m bordering the line of a chat banned

[potent pivot]

Wound doesn’t stack with hemo that’s correct, the main benefit is that wound can be spread

[hidden moth]

Ye I get that but can wound stack to 10

[potent pivot]

AoE ms is really good

[potent pivot]

Idk I just usually do around 400k dps at least, depending on the match

[hidden moth]

With mark it doesn’t go over 20% ms on st right

[potent pivot]

I believe it does

Can check in a bit

[hidden moth]

Bet

[worthy crag]

kinda annoying how pvp balance changes used to come in weekly esp at the start of an expac/season

and now it's maybe one change every 3~4 weeks because of this "can't impact awc" bs

[potent pivot]

pretty sure we've had changes every week

i don't think they've let up because of awc at all

[worthy crag]

not impactful enough i guess, except for last week's

and even then they did nothing about mages and ferals and buffed bm so like

no idea wtf kind of source they are using for their data

[potent pivot]

they nerfed BM's ST

i agree a lot of changes have been very out of touch

but they def don't seem to be pulling punches because of awc so far

[worthy crag]

Yeah I meant like it'll be a net buff

once the complete set of changes come in with anniversary patch

its a nerf between next tue until that patch which is like

3 weeks I guess

[potent pivot]

i think deathmark doubles it

but the second wound tooltip says 0% which is weird

[hidden moth]

Interesting

wtb death mark buff

“If death mark is removed early from the target before they die the cd is instantly reset”

Would be nice

[potent pivot]

would be cool if it got a UA type mechanic

definitely not resetting the CD though

it should really be undispellable

[lone anvil]

Did some 2s with an MM hunter on my rogue tonight and went 10-6. Beat some good comps. We beat some teams with healers. We beat a mage/rogue team.

[hidden moth]

Bop and dragon bleed dispel dwarf so annoying

Tricks thoughts on this Sin opener, cheap, garrote, ambush, rupture, cheap, garrote. Into shiv tea, mark, then just mutilates/fok and envenoms to pump st

[potent pivot]

i usually do my 2nd garrote earlier

cheap-gar-gar-rupt-ambush

but as long as you get both garrotes and an ambush off it doesn't really matter that much

i usually also worry more about spreading bleeds instead of muts/envenoms

getting everything rolling on the entire enemy team

[hidden moth]

More so single target damage for 1v1 or trying to send efc to god

Aoe is just gonna be like, cheap kill target garrote, tab garrote rupture, fok spam and spreading rupture and garrote for pad and keeping ct on people making sure to ambush kill target before stealth ability usage goes bye bye

[topaz bobcat]

is dracthyr racials any good after nerfs?

[hidden moth]

Immune to knock backs. And an extra micro cc

IMO nelf still better but dragon is a close 2nd

[topaz bobcat]

so double jump big nerf

but it's immune to all knockbacks?

monk, augvoker what else?

[hidden moth]

Mage

Shaman

Not “immune” but when u get pushed back if u glide u go forward

[worthy crag]

but they so ugly

[hidden moth]

You can stay in human form

The whole time

For any class that isn’t an evoker which is bs

Let evokers stay in human form but ya know

[worthy crag]

holy fk literally every shuffle lobby is just bm or feral or both

[hidden moth]

Bm buffs inc on the 8th and 22nd

[worthy crag]

is anniversary patch confirmed to be 22nd?

its a nerf on the 8th, but it'll be a buff after the anniversary patch notes come too

meanwhile feral just tab targets and quadruples everyones dmg

[hidden moth]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/world-events/20th-anniversary-event

[worthy crag]

good fking bye to shadowdust cdr sooner than I thought i guess

[hidden moth]

Bm needs did calcs its a buff overall

On the 8th

[potent pivot]

.0.5 is supposed to be Nov 5th

[worthy crag]

feral isnt even squishy anymore

[hidden moth]

Why does wow head say Oct 22

[worthy crag]

event begin =/= patch I guess

Im actually going to mald if feral doesnt get gutted by 30%

[hidden moth]

Doesn’t make sense for it to not be the same day

Feral needs buffs -blizz

So does pally

Just with they fixed the herald hero talents. A ret pulling you out of stealth from 30 yards away bc they pressed wake is just dumb

[potent pivot]

The event might start on the 22nd I guess

But the tuning posts have been saying Nov 5th for the tuning

[hidden moth]

So weird for it to start and then all the changes to be 2 weeks later

[potent pivot]

The tuning isn’t exactly tied to the event itself

[hidden moth]

But if event is 11.5 and tuning is for 11.5

There is correlation

[potent pivot]

11.0.5

[hidden moth]

11.0.5*

[potent pivot]

They can roll out tuning whenever they want

Like they do now every week

[hidden moth]

Yeah I also don’t get that

Why spend months talking about all these changes but do changes before these go out, wouldn’t it be better to just send these out first

[potent pivot]

Because the changes coming in 0.5 are actual design changes

They require more dev time to do

But the game should still be balanced now

[hidden moth]

Valid

Design wake to not rip stealth off anyone in 30 yards

[potent pivot]

You don’t want to go back to only getting tuning every big .1 or .2 patch, trust me

Shit was so bad

[hidden moth]

That’s fair

Think blizz got their shit a bit together since Microsoft took over

At least for wow. Rip Overwatch

[stoic spruce]

They started doing this before all that

They said they're going to be hands-off with Blizzard and WoW. You can tell they are because WoW hasn't been utterly destroyed.

[hidden moth]

Yeah but somehow we got a good expac and a 2nd good expac in a row

[stoic spruce]

Because they're listening and acting on player feedback now

[hidden moth]

Change of pace from bfa into slands where it went from dog shit to mars attacks levels of bad

[stoic spruce]

You can thank 9.1 for that

[hidden moth]

What was 9.1? I quit slands after a month

[velvet lichen]

Wonder if they are gonna tune up a bit of tea is going to be automatic

Since we loose the mastery buff on go windows

[potent pivot]

you don't lose anything

tea is still an active ability

[velvet lichen]

I thought it was going to be automatic at 30

[potent pivot]

it is, but it's also still an active ability

[velvet lichen]

Oooohhhhh shit I thought the active was going away

Is this their fix to the energy economy

[potent pivot]

energy doesn't need a fix

[velvet lichen]

Then why the change

[potent pivot]

this is just making tea more passive in pve

[hidden moth]

Would like more energy for assa in st

Feels weird not having a button to press every gcd

[velvet lichen]

But it’s still active

[potent pivot]

assa is supposed to have less energy in ST

you shouldn't have energy to spam globals

that's the proper way for the spec to work

[hidden moth]

Bc people forget to pop it and will try to spam a button but can’t lol

Qol stuff for baddies who just wanna forget about it

[potent pivot]

and also automatically goes off

[velvet lichen]

People were making it out to be that they were killing tea

[potent pivot]

the only thing that changes is that now you HAVE to pool energy properly in pvp, which you really should've been doing anyway

[velvet lichen]

Do you loose the active if it goes off automatically?

[potent pivot]

no

[hidden moth]

Interesting. Bc it seems to just be once dots are up and outside of cds u are just pooling energy, envenom mut mut mut pool energy envenom mut mut mut

[velvet lichen]

-_-…. Then why are people so pissed off with this new change

[potent pivot]

that's how it's supposed to be

[potent pivot]

prolly don't understand it and are jumping to conclusions

[worthy crag]

just a quality of life or for noobs

[hidden moth]

Room temp iq (not you)

[velvet lichen]

I’ve been so busy I have not had time to read the notes I’m not even fully aware of all the changes. Hard to find a single post with all of them

[worthy crag]

Yes. it will consume a charge

[hidden moth]

He said Active not charge. You lose a charge get the energy and the mastery buff

[worthy crag]

ppl were pissed with the change when it was auto at 50 energy

at 30 it's a bit better

[hidden moth]

Doesn’t outlaw only have like 100 energy

[potent pivot]

no

[hidden moth]

Gotcha

[velvet lichen]

Sub loosing Sepsis tho

[worthy crag]

yes and shadowdust

[potent pivot]

losing sepsis barely matters tbh

dust is another story

[velvet lichen]

Yeah big oof

[worthy crag]

might as well throw the changes in rn cuz i dont feel like queueing rogue and utilizing dust

knowing it'll be gone

[velvet lichen]

I don’t even find playing against sub scary anymore when I’m on other classes, it’s so telegraphed these days

I know with the AwC teams it’s a different story but on the ladder it’s w/e

[worthy crag]

i'd say its less telegraphed right now because of how powerful dust is but it evens out because other classes got a ton of utility too

[hidden moth]

Why I’m waiting to learn sub till after the changes

[velvet lichen]

True, but now it’s just gonna be what a 1.5

So lines up with healer trinket now.

[hidden moth]

1.5 vs 1 min

[worthy crag]

u mean blades? yeah

[velvet lichen]

Yeah, still trying to find all the changes

[hidden moth]

Was 2 min but dust made it 1 min

I’ll repost the link to new testament

[velvet lichen]

Yeah, but now it just lines up with healer trinket

[hidden moth]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1945843-20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes/

[velvet lichen]

Thanks

[hidden moth]

It’s not a cc so doesn’t matter.

[velvet lichen]

Yeah but there’s gonna be cc tied to the go

[hidden moth]

U can force trinket without blades

And offset it

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-1945843

you can just keep scrolling down on wowhead as well

has all the old posts

[hidden moth]

Or be goated and re cc the trinket insta

Like pikaboo

[velvet lichen]

Yeah well, I have kids and no time to play 1400-1600 weeks on end lmfao

[hidden moth]

I like blue tracker bc it shows all posts but has the top list be the most updated and reflects everything

[velvet lichen]

Not sure if I’ll play sub on .5 might just keep him Assa

[hidden moth]

Lock em in the basement and have them farm gold ez

Jk jk

[velvet lichen]

Wish there was a bit more intent behind some of these changes or if they were a bit more vocal about it.

[hidden moth]

Think assa will take the charged combo point shiv in .5?

[potent pivot]

dust is nerfed in pvp

[velvet lichen]

Dust is gonna be dust soon

[potent pivot]

i think sub will still be fine

they're still adding to the changes

ER turning into Supercharger, 3 charges of Symbols, etc

[hidden moth]

It’s not 30 sec in pvp

[velvet lichen]

Hmmm Assa or Sub for next patch

Decisions decisions. Has anyone been testing on PTR?

[potent pivot]

i've tested a bit

i don't think there's any point in paying attention to the changes until they're live

[velvet lichen]

True

[potent pivot]

both specs use basically the same gear and i'm sure both will be viable, so there's no reason to make that choice right now

[potent pivot]

It’s nerfed by .75 in pvp iirc

[hidden moth]

Gotcha

Tricks do u stream

[potent pivot]

Nah

[hidden moth]

Rip

What’s ur cr mmr etc

[potent pivot]

I don’t broadcast my shit

Too many people in the wow community like to think only a rank 1’s opinion is valid

[hidden moth]

Fair

[somber plank]

Friends, I have finally hit 1600 in 2s

I just needed to let that out

[stoic spruce]

Did you go "LETS GOOOOO RAHHHHHHH" ?

[somber plank]

You know it

Jumped out of my chair and did some air humps

[hidden moth]

Gz

[lone anvil]

People who love cats are valid

IMHO

[terse bolt]

did they fix capping a flag in shadow duel?

also in blitz,why the fuck 2k-2.1k mmr games still feel the same as 1.4 mmr with people being lost

[azure rapids]

:))))

it still feels very one sided at 2.1 mmr :))

some games are good some are complete lackluster on one team

[terse bolt]

i was just browsing to figure out why that happens

guess what

people with negative winrate still gain rating somehow

a sub rogue, an utter trash i matched with yetserday and still remember his name

has like 52 wins 67 defeats

and is 1.9cr ~ 2k mmr

[azure rapids]

happens,after you get 2 or 3 losses you drop quite a bit

[indigo hill]

I got negative win rate since last week. 😂 before that it went great. Going better this week. It sucked yesterday when I won and gained 1 rating...

[azure rapids]

still gained! 😄

[hidden moth]

Bc some people get lucky and get carried back to back wins and get out of shitter ville

[azure rapids]

hard to get carried in Blitz

you need another 7 people to be at their best to carry

[terse bolt]

not really, i have carried so many morons specially in flag maps

cant even begin to express my past experiences in EOTS

where you see them zerging mid with 2k rating

[azure rapids]

sometimes it works :)))

[terse bolt]

i am getting tilted just by mentioning it

[hidden moth]

When you win all ur games at 1900 mmr but lose them all at 2100 u can have lower win rate but good mmr win- loss ratio doesn’t mean ur good or bad

[terse bolt]

no but it is an indicator

[azure rapids]

i am having a blast mostly in blitz

[terse bolt]

same, that is after i got unbanned

[azure rapids]

:))))

[terse bolt]

and stopped using chat for all purposes

[hidden moth]

Also if u lose you don’t lose cr all the time

[azure rapids]

don t be toxic 😛

never read whispers and never interract with angry people :))

[terse bolt]

can't be helped when you have randoms, hunters most specifically telling you how to play rogue xd

[hidden moth]

At 2400 mmr lobby and 1300 cr a loss didn’t take cr bc the mmr was so much higher than my car

Cr

[hidden moth]

I read the whisper and match their energy

Link em discord

[azure rapids]

nah

[hidden moth]

Give em the ye ol mw2 lobby treatment

[azure rapids]

"anger is the punishment you give yourself for somebody elses actions" 😛

[terse bolt]

well that makes sense since it was your beginning

[hidden moth]

Then laugh as they disconnect crying

[terse bolt]

later on it stabilizes

[hidden moth]

I’m sad though my win rate went from 76% to 64%

[terse bolt]

miss me with that hippie crap

[hidden moth]

In blitz

[terse bolt]

anger is fuel

[azure rapids]

to each his own

rather click close whisper :)))

[terse bolt]

yeah i do that too now

[azure rapids]

and not take anybody`s frustrations on myself :))

[terse bolt]

never read chat

never open whispers

[hidden moth]

I report them and blow it way out of proportion

[terse bolt]

actually i instantly ignore anyone who whispers me in game

[hidden moth]

Like a kid who had their candy stolen by their brother

[azure rapids]

Got it! 😄 Outlaw power!

[hidden moth]

Some whispers arnt even toxic

[terse bolt]

yeah i just cant bother

[hidden moth]

I’ll whisper people instructions bc ur enemies can see ur /say chat

[azure rapids]

Im just there to fight ,don t really care about socializing that much unless its tactics :))

[hidden moth]

Like “I sap u cap” stuff like that

[terse bolt]

i've played so many rbg games in 2.7-2.8 mmr in previous expansions, what kind of knowledge will these pvers add

they are just wasting my time forcing me to read their pointless messages

[hidden moth]

Me messaging them in game is actively increasing their reading comprehension

[stoic spruce]

That's no fun

[azure rapids]

been in alot of places with other people who refused to cap while cc is up :)))

[terse bolt]

no no, they dont refuse

they just dont get it

[hidden moth]

I’m legit sitting here sap, sap sap, cheap cheap blind and homie hasn’t started caping

[stoic spruce]

You've never lived until you send spam mail and fill their mailbox with boar meat and scorpion stingers from durotar

[terse bolt]

yeah they are baiting, if you were alone you would have capped

[hidden moth]

Shit like that has me actively looking at rope brands in the local Home Depot

[terse bolt]

best thing to do is tell them "don't help me, dont come anywhere close to me, go help the others"

[hidden moth]

Buy blacksmith hammers

They don’t stack and are worth copper

[terse bolt]

at least at the mmr i am currently playing at

[stoic spruce]

That's a good one

[hidden moth]

We did that to our gm in classic bc dude was taking forever with mail n shit

So we fucked with him about it

Do it from a lvl 1 and after u send them delete the character so they can’t return the mail

[terse bolt]

there is a button "delete all"

[hidden moth]

Till your local neighborhood ret goes anywhere near ur node and decides he has “demon eyes” or a/e dh has

[stoic spruce]

That's fine

Sending a message

[hidden moth]

By instantly pulling u from stealth 30 yards away

[hidden moth]

Delete all, only deletes the one mail. Not the 600+ instantly

[azure rapids]

those are the people who you should really not care about ,on what they have to say or their oppinions

[terse bolt]

Oh shit then, i will go spam my buddy some crap till the Q pops

xd

[hidden moth]

There is some correctness with that logic though

If I’m 2100 why am I gonna listen to a 1400 hard stuck gerbil

[terse bolt]

there is always some, but sometimes, SOMETIMES, a r1 doesn't necessarily mean they will perform better than a hota in an rbg

however their egos are too big so high end organised pvp

[hidden moth]

Oh no

[terse bolt]

is absolute toxic

[hidden moth]

I know I’m just saying

I’m not taking advise from someone 600 cr below me

If ur my skill level or better though I’ll listen to u

[azure rapids]

that`s like saying a alcoholic can t give you good advice on why you should not drink

but you do you:)

[terse bolt]

That's fair most of the times. However now i am sitting at 2k mmr cause i barely have time to log in and play with work and stuff

so when people refuse to take advice from me, cause "low cr"

and then we zerg mid in the opening stage of EOTS

aaaaaaaaaah

or you cap them a second base and never come to help you spin the flag

[hidden moth]

But if I’m not hard stuck then I’m not drinking so why do I need to see why not to be hard stuck

[azure rapids]

okay chief

[hidden moth]

It’s like a top 500 player in Overwatch getting advice from bronze players

[potent pivot]

you see that's kind of bad logic

anyone can tell you advice that comes from r1s

even if they don't play the game

[hidden moth]

But if they used that advice they wouldn’t be 1400 no?

[potent pivot]

so brushing off someone's statements isn't always the right call

[potent pivot]

some people just lack the mechanical skill

[hidden moth]

It is if u know it’s factually wrong

[potent pivot]

or they don't put in enough effort idk

[hidden moth]

“Assa opens with ambush into a envenom into blind”

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean if they're talking gibberish that much will be obvious

just sayin, a lot of guidewriters aren't r1 players

[hidden moth]

You can be lower rating and I’ll still listen but anything more than like 300+ cr/mmr exp gap is like what are u doing bro

I agree they don’t need to be r1 to give good advice

[azure rapids]

maybe put to much importance on rating

when what`s most important is to just enjoy the fighting and have fun

it`s what we do 99% of the time the 1% is rating and rewards

[hidden moth]

Idk man I don’t que comp if I don’t care about rating

[azure rapids]

everybody has their own goals,if i don t have fun i don t really want to play at all

what`s the whole point of putting in time that i don t enjoy

luckily i enjoy Rogues in general :)))

[hidden moth]

I enjoy the PvP but I’m also not going to ruin others experience bc I don’t care to improve

[topaz bobcat]

dracthyr racials are not good for priest or ranged right?

[hidden moth]

Uhhhh

Priest is good bc of the extra cc

Considering melee are going to train u

[topaz bobcat]

guess spriest alwawys target

but not disc/holy

[hidden moth]

Yeah but disc goes to melee range to fear off trap etc

But I will always prefer smeld

[topaz bobcat]

undead priest is cool too cuz WOTF

dracthyr in shadowform must look funny

[terse bolt]

dracthyr looks funny anyway

[hidden moth]

Wing buffet is like instant cast mini kultirin racial and will be good in blitz for knocking people off stuff like lm etc

[terse bolt]

wonder who came up with that shitty model

i still havent got used to lizzards

[hidden moth]

Just wish my evoker could stay in human form. No sense in getting tmog that you only get to flex 2 pieces of

[terse bolt]

even in human form you look like a drag queen

[hidden moth]

Love being on my mage and sheeping a dragon then blast waving them off the cliff and they can’t flap wings bc they are a sheep haha

[topaz bobcat]

Perfect.

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[topaz bobcat]

I'm sexeh and I know it

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340

[terse bolt]

it feels so good when you play a base map and outplay the other rogue

i dont even have to masturbate for today

[stoic spruce]

See, I queue as a tank specifically to ruin other people's experience

[topaz bobcat]

dracthyr rogue will be the future

flying dragon rogue that touches u with it's tail while u are stunned and helpless

[indigo hill]

Looks pretty cool.

[topaz bobcat]

next patch is going to be awesome

DH, BM meta and tanky spriest lock meta

[worthy crag]

are spriests like sleeper op on the ladder rn

[hidden moth]

Oh I play rogue I’m all about pissing people off but not ruin my teammates time bc they are trying to carry a sandbag

[hidden moth]

Uhhhh why eh

Dh

[hidden moth]

Kinda but not super they getting buffs on Tuesday

[topaz bobcat]

DH making big comeback

[hidden moth]

Why what changes

For 11.0.5

[topaz bobcat]

They are already OK

[hidden moth]

They just getting some buffs on the Tuesday patch and

Reaver is still going to be bad

[topaz bobcat]

Ppl haven't caught on

It was bad on launch

[hidden moth]

Called for on?

Oh

Reaver? It’s still gonna be bad I saw the break down of it. When the damage it does is .2% of ur damage doubling it only makes it .4% lol

https://youtu.be/1lR244admKI?si=BQJt0R_zQp-6vG8O

The flat buffs on Tuesday will be good but you will still run fel scarred

It will be a tier but won’t be broken like s3 df

[orchid plinth]

Being a washed dad gamer at 1600 is rough in sub shuffle

[hidden moth]

Also meta nerf

For tank

[hidden moth]

Don’t feel bad, shuffle is rough bc r1 isn’t even 2400 rn so ur 2400 players are about 2100 2100 players are about 1800 1800 is about 1600 etc

[orchid plinth]

I've played too much PvE as well. Haven't touched Shuffle since I hit 1600 at second night of rated release

So many DR stormbolts ruining setups and melee lobbies at this rating 😄

[hidden moth]

I prefer caster lobbies ngl

[runic trench]

i sat in queue for solo shuffle for 40 min

and the warrior left after 1 round

fml

[hidden moth]

Just sat in que or were In blitz

And what mmr

[sturdy zealot]

[hidden moth]

?

[sturdy zealot]

Idk I saw a ping from this channel but I can’t find it

[potent pivot]

check your inbox

[sturdy zealot]

I’m in my schizo arc tho so anything’s possible

[sturdy zealot]

Nah it was from ravenholdt pvp specifically

[hidden moth]

Oh uhhh

@sturdy zealot ur da best

[sturdy zealot]

Idk how to look for pings I have 3 braincells

[hidden moth]

It was me I pinged u

[sturdy zealot]

There it is

[hidden moth]

Jk jk

[sturdy zealot]

Thank u king

[potent pivot]

if you got a ping, you can find it in your inbox

doesn't matter where from

[sturdy zealot]

Yo what that’s insane

I wish I knew that before

[rough geyser]

If you uncheck all servers youll only see mentions in this one

if you check it you can see any mentions anywhere

[sturdy zealot]

I spent so much time looking for pings in other servers lmao

[sturdy zealot]

Found it gang tyty

[topaz bobcat]

Why can't dracthyr be dh btw

[runic trench]

just sat, im only like 1500 mmr

[hidden moth]

That makes sense tbh

Bliz puts new shuffle players at 1500 ish for first match and a lot of people can’t hit 1600+ so 1500 is full of dps and are all fighting for healers

[stoic lava]

I just cant break the 2400 wall as outlaw

[topaz bobcat]

i am hard stuck 1400

[stoic lava]

o no

im hard stuck 2200-2300 just cant get out

[topaz bobcat]

also blizz likes to put me in matches with 1.9k

so if they win, they gain 1-2 rating

they lose they get rekt

[stoic lava]

thats the dream

[runic trench]

im getting like 12 cr per win in bgs lmao

im only at 1700

wth

[stoic lava]

caps at like 23

get used to it

[orchid plinth]

Sub MW duo queue Silhouette is great for carrying flags

[azure rapids]

yeah but Sub is not Outlaw 😛

i do feel alot stronger in Blitz on Sub but still prefer the brawly Outlaw

maybe the reset 4% dmg buff will help a bit

[hidden moth]

Is this “wompr”

I keep running into you and always on the other team big rip

[hidden moth]

1400 cr but ur mmr is 1900?

[topaz bobcat]

what if their cr is higher than their mmr

[hidden moth]

Depends on your cr and the mmr of the lobby

[topaz bobcat]

but after my masterpiece of a performance today doing multiple 0-6

I'm negative MMR

[hidden moth]

Hehe, they getting FUCKED if they lose

-20-30 cr

Jk depends on how much

If cr is like 1808 and mmr is 1800 they will only lose like 8 cr but if cr is 2200 and mmr 1800 and they lose yeah solid 30 cr gone

If ur 1800 with mmr of 2400 and u lose ur cr is so far from the mmr u won’t lose rating but your mmr will take a hit of anywhere between 50-400

TLDR, wins increase mmr losses reduce mmr. Cr gained and lost is based on how your cr compared to the mmr of the match

[jolly bear]

guys im in full pvp greens, some honor some of the buyable crafted. i have 10 of the purple heraldry ones and im sin, what should i get first? everyone on murlok has gear but i dont think it says what order

[hidden moth]

Mastery>vers>haste>crit iirc haste and crit might flop flip

1600 token get free pants buy conq shoulder gloves chest, convert the 3 to tier for 4 set

[jolly bear]

what about weps

[hidden moth]

Craft boots and wrists

With vers enchant on em, buy conq trinket (not the cc removal the other one)

Craft 2 rings and use 2500 free weps for now

But this could be all out of order and jumbled

U want to craft engi helmet though

[jolly bear]

wait do i craft wep or no

with vers

enchant

and do i care about offhand

[hidden moth]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Schtabbytime

U will craft wep but I would wait

Fill out the rest first bc u only craft wep for the embellish

[runic trench]

and dont forget wpvp item

with bloody tokens

[hidden moth]

Yeah fill out with those

[hidden moth]

I messed up my hearing

Gearing

So I have blood token gloves and belt but you should use token helm and belt for now

So buy token helm and belt, craft wrist and boots with vers embellishment and 1 ring (vers mast for the crafted stats), buy conq shoulder and convert to tier first, then chest, then gloves. (don’t convert chest to tier until Tuesday same for gloves), hit 1600 and purchase tier pants for free (make sure you buy the pvp ones, the vendor will be the one on the left), earn 2500 conq and purchase 2 free daggers. From there it would be crafting engi helmet or buying the conq haste with agi proc trinket

[jolly bear]

hm of the ribbon things do i need to craft stuff

[hidden moth]

Wrist is 3 iirc, ring 3, boots 5

Double check before buying more bc they are NON REFUNDABLE

Speaking from experience, it’s why I have 2 crafted rings

And fill out green pieces with blood token gear until you are able to get the conquest required to have the pieces crafted/ purchased. (Don’t buy token weps get armor bc the conq weps are freeeee)

[jolly bear]

wait how do u get free conq weps

[hidden moth]

Achievement

“Earn 2500 conquest in season 1”

[jolly bear]

holy fuck the ring is expensive

[hidden moth]

Once u earn the achievement u will have mail, pick up the mail, open the bag in the mail to get 2 tokens. Go to conq vendor and buy ur daggers with the tokens

[jolly bear]

so i only craft 3 things, ring bracers boots

do i use the purple ones?

[hidden moth]

Yes

Green crafted is pvp 613, blue is 626, purple 639

[jolly bear]

what are the blue ones for then

[hidden moth]

U have 10 purple rn so u should just need 1

[jolly bear]

like are they useful at all

[hidden moth]

Say u want a haste vers chest but the honor vendor only sells vers mast and vers crit u can buy the blue tier medallions with honor and craft it with stats and embellishments

[jolly bear]

boots were 4 i got enough

[hidden moth]

Oh bet

Glad u checked

Quality doesn’t matter

[jolly bear]

okay but im only crafting those 3 pieces rn right

[hidden moth]

If u used the purple tokens, the crafter can make it tier 1/5 and it’s gonna be 639 pvp I lvl

Tier 1/5 vs 5/5 only affects the items pve ilvl which isn’t very important

Ye just the 3

[jolly bear]

wait i got 6 of the blue ones too should i use them

on other pieces

[hidden moth]

Up 2 u but prob won’t need em bc the blue token= honor gear ilvl

[jolly bear]

my pvp ilvl is 617

[hidden moth]

And ur crafting embellishments on ur 639 boots+wrist

[jolly bear]

both the same vers ones right

[hidden moth]

Ye

• vers at 80% or more hp

[potent pivot]

Don’t need token helm

[jolly bear]

fk

too late

[potent pivot]

[jolly bear]

oh well its still a way better piece

[potent pivot]

The only bloody token items you really want are belt+cloak

Can buy a bloody token weapon just to help until you get your free weapons at 2500 conq, but only if you’ll have enough after to still buy the belt+cloak

[hidden moth]

Cloak forgot cloak my b

Was hoping tricks was around but didn’t know if u went to bed or not

Figured bt helm for ilvl till engi helm

[potent pivot]

Helm just gets replaced as soon as u farm conq so it’s not a great buy with bloody tokens

Better off using excess tokens on wep

[woven sage]

Which poisons does assassination use in pvp?

[potent pivot]

Wound and crippling

[woven sage]

Thought so have been using that

Thanks

[potent pivot]

There’s a beginning gear guide linked in the pins btw

[jolly bear]

oh i had no idea my bad

[potent pivot]

Lists what to buy with very first weeks worth of stuff

Once you get past those first few purchases though some of it is up to preference, but you can check a lot of known rogue’s armories like Nahj

[hidden moth]

Sorry tricks I failed ya

[orchid plinth]

I mean no Bloody Token item is BIS so you should just use them as an temporary ilevel increase while waiting for Conquest pieces. For Sub I went Cloak Belt -> Wrist -> Gloves since they are all Mastery/Vers. They will be replaced by the higher ilevel Conquest piece later.

[hidden moth]

True

Just glad I didn’t have him mis spend conq

[orchid plinth]

I could for example buy the Bloody Token chest next week since it's also Mastery/Verse and prioritize upgrading other pieces with Conquest. That should be the general path forward.

I think... Didn't do the MONSTER MATH on the token count

[hidden moth]

lol

Conq chest for tier set

4 piece

[orchid plinth]

Doesn't seem worth it for Sub currently. At least according to how everyone else is gearing it including all AWC matches.

Also only using 2 piece is great cuz then you can use the rest for PvE gear and enjoy multiple parts of the game

[potent pivot]

It’s nbd

Bloody tokens are w/e

[jolly bear]

did u guys enchant ur boots

[potent pivot]

ye with speed

plainsrunner's breeze from last expansion i think is usually cheaper

still works

[hidden moth]

So dumb that it’s the exact same as this expac enchant

If they want the speed to be same fine but at Least put some stam or primary stat on it

[potent pivot]

they just forgot to add a "Doesn't work above level 79" tag to it

[hidden moth]

Even then dunno why they nerfed the speed stats

[potent pivot]

most enchants are very similar if not the same between expansions

wep enchants are typically the main change

[hidden moth]

Ye but bc stat scaling changes, 11% movement from enchants is now 9%

[potent pivot]

i think we had like 15% in DF

but i may not be remembering right

[hidden moth]

My priest had 11% on enchants alone

I can go through some vods

[potent pivot]

it's not that important either way :p

[hidden moth]

Fair

[potent pivot]

we def have less than in DF, we know that much

[hidden moth]

Do we know if sin gets 3 steps in .5 or just 2

[potent pivot]

just 2

the only real change that is supposed to be happening is outlaw gets 2 hooks and no steps

[candid tide]

its because chest and feets i think

chest is full aggi now

[rough geyser]

So what is outlaw stat priority rn?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[rough geyser]

If I check murlok for top rated outlaw 3v3

[potent pivot]

the speed enchants themselves give less speed

% wise

[rough geyser]

That's why I was confused because of the haste thing

[potent pivot]

that's showing you the average of every one of those players

[rough geyser]

no that's one player

that's one player's build

[potent pivot]

ah

[rough geyser]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/ravencrest/feinfeinfein/pvp

[candid tide]

ah i see well, there are new speed buffs somewhere in talents for compensation iirc

[potent pivot]

you want at least 10% minimum

15% is good as well

[potent pivot]

yeah idk who this is, but that's too little haste imo

10 is the base minimum to get an extra GCD during ADR kidneys

15 just feels better because it's more GCDs during ADR

[potent pivot]

this is also showing you their haste outside of pvp btw

so they do have at least 10% anyway

[rough geyser]

Does it?

I thought it was low

[potent pivot]

yes

[jolly bear]

this is insane that its literally the same lmao

[potent pivot]

you have to keep in mind also when looking at those sites, they're just pulling from wow armory

you aren't always going to see what that player used in said bracket

[jolly bear]

so is sin burst for kill just deathmark shiv deepest night envenom

[hidden moth]

P much

I like to get my bleeds up first then shiv into mark then envenom+mutilate spam

U want to use 1 cast of fok even on single target bc clear the witnesses

[candid tide]

deathmark is no joke

take ur eyes off for a sec and ur gone

[hidden moth]

Yeah just wish it wasn’t removable

And that it duplicates bleeds at 100% not 50%

And make it duplicate ct

[runic trench]

how do you know if you should just give up on a spec

[velvet lichen]

You take several break from it over a period of time but it just doesn’t seem to “jive”

I don’t think you can make that determination in the course of a few weeks or 2-3 months

Depending on how much you play ofc

That or you find it incredibly boring.

At least that’s been my gauge. I healed for about 5 years but since November of last year I’ve been spending gold gearing every class in the game figuring out what I actually like to play and I’ve been able to write off a bunch by jumping around and seeing if I really like it or not.

I also don’t use rating as a gauge either, because tuning can skew your perception. Learned that quickly.

[runic trench]

im just having no success with sub its sad

[hidden moth]

Spend time at the training dummy’s

One doesn’t build Rome in a day

[orchid plinth]

I'd argue Sub is also one of the hardest specs to play out there. It's at least up there with some other specs. Don't give up! I'm in the same boat tbh, gotta take small steps and focus on improving.

[runic trench]

after every solo shuffle im like

should have played ret

[hollow carbon]

Maybe you should then, if that’s more fun to you + easier success why not?

[runic trench]

ive invested way too much time gearing this rogue lmao

[hollow carbon]

Playing rogue can be draining, I think you really need to enjoy the playstyle

Gearing for PvP? That’s so fast 🙂

Sometimes it’s enough to just play alts in between to enjoy rogue life again

[potent pivot]

don't let some weird sunk cost fallacy stop you from playing something you'd have more fun playing

rn we can fully gear alts in like a day

[runic trench]

realistically

i will be complaining about ret paladin

its a skill issue i understand that

[potent pivot]

i see

[runic trench]

i have achieved enlightenment

[potent pivot]

as long as you're doing what you think you'll have the most fun doing

[sturdy zealot]

Based king (me too)

[rough geyser]

Fatebound or Trickster for Outlaw?

[worthy crag]

yes

[lime oar]

Sub is the one true spec

There is no other way

[gusty hedge]

both fun to play.
Fatebound used by most law players atm.

[wanton breach]

low rated pvp is such aids as healer

people never press their buttons

[stoic spruce]

And then you have me

Who overlaps them

Listen

I need to dodge and cloak dots at the same time

You wouldn't understand

I don't want that dk touching me at all

[rough geyser]

If you wanna reset from a vanish

[gusty hedge]

1v3 is reall

[rough geyser]

do you do cloak first if you have dots on?

[lone anvil]

This is what I do 🙏🏼 rogue is bae tho

[spring bough]

Became a SOD Chad this weekend. I love the classic blade flurry sound of smacking the crap out of the other target lol

[lone anvil]

Bae bear boopkins

[stoic spruce]

No

Who let you back in the house?

[gusty hedge]

preferably yes since cloak nerf. dnt wanna get thrown back into combat cuz ms/lag

[vague comet]

can someone share a decent betterblizzplates profile?

[runic trench]

i would but

i only have one token left for weapon

and all my gear is vers mast

[gusty hedge]

https://murlok.io/rogue/outlaw/trickster/3v3

[runic trench]

do you have a pvp dice wa?

for rerolling

[gusty hedge]

used to use xroll, not sure about rerolling.
atm using zac Ui Setup for(WA) for Rtb/cds

!wa

[lethal roost]

Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.

[gusty hedge]

#outlaw message

[potent pivot]

If you’re that scared that you need to overlap them i guess, but you really shouldn’t overlap like that in most cases

[potent pivot]

It comes with 2 profiles

I use the Magnusz profile and just modified it slightly

[sturdy zealot]

Which specs can remove deathmark?

[potent pivot]

Quite a few

[sturdy zealot]

Dang, any place I can look to for the full list?

[potent pivot]

Pally, Evoker, surv, any dwarf

[rough geyser]

Does cloak remove it

[sturdy zealot]

Also if they can just yoink away deathmark then how do we do our burst?

[potent pivot]

Deathmark is a piss cooldown anyway

So it’s not really a big deal

[sturdy zealot]

Oh interesting

[potent pivot]

With Veil talented iirc

[potent pivot]

Sin is really just about constant spread rot

That’s why we’ve even started running insignia over badge, because even KB is kinda shit

[rancid mist]

It's very demoralizing to hit loss streaks in rated BG blitz.. -15, -15, -15, -15 then woo a win.. +9 lmao.

[sturdy zealot]

Oh I thought we had burst? Or am I tripping and it was only aoe burst

[dim oriole]

Tell me about it, coupled with a dc that made me lose 200 cr -_-

[rancid mist]

urgh, big rip 😦

[potent pivot]

compared to class/specs that have actual burst, i wouldn't consider ours comparable at all really

[sturdy zealot]

Which classes do have burst? Sorry for all the questions lmao I’m still pretty new to pvp

[lime oar]

Most classes have a bursty spec

[sturdy zealot]

Oop meant spec

[lime oar]

Sub rogue

[sturdy zealot]

Ngl idk if my ping can handle sub

[potent pivot]

most specs have more burst the outlaw/assa

you don't have to have burst to do well in pvp either really

the game has drifted pretty far from bursty set ups winning games

[sturdy zealot]

Yeah I imagine control is really important too

[potent pivot]

damage is important

[sturdy zealot]

So like sustain?

[potent pivot]

consistent damage

[sturdy zealot]

Ahh gotcha ye

[surreal barn]

So hard making trickster sub work in shuffle this week lol

Like I’ll get a 5-1 and it’s because I outplayed the rest by 3X

Needs more damage

[untold remnant]

Ye it’s bad, best remedy is duo with MW or prevoker

[rancid mist]

Makes sense. They seem utterly absurd to fight against

Just want my purple outfit

Although I am actually having fun in PvP so it's a pretty good time regardless of progress.

[lone anvil]

Brother I feel this. I lost ten straight. Won two, both wins were +0. Then lost 3 more and won another and it was +1 LOL

[sturdy zealot]

Fellas do we run deadly poison or wound for blitz? Assass rogue if that matters

[rancid mist]

🫂

[sturdy zealot]

I would take a break after that bc wtf

[lone anvil]

I run wound in almost every situation unless I'm vs 2dps in 2s

[rancid mist]

I did just get a win where I got 51 so now I'm 1436 which is progress

Also just a super clean, fun match where everybody played well and we just capped and dominated.

[lone anvil]

I was at 1700 right now I'm right around the 1450 mark lol

[rancid mist]

That's gonna be me in like a week, no question ahaha

[lone anvil]

I'm taking a break from rogue and doing a healer rn

But I'll get the urge again

I'll be healed and ready to be hurt again

[rancid mist]

The purple set is too perfect and it will be my forever outfit

Since it's FOMO I gotta Get Good.

[lone anvil]

I don't like the set. I just do it for the gram tbh

And the clout

[rancid mist]

I really dig this tier and since the purple is Elite

I gotta do it.

Annoyingly I don't care about the shoulders.. But gotta get 1800 for the helm which is the most important bit

[lone anvil]

You'll get it brother

[rancid mist]

It's frustrating when you chain CC into a Shadowy so someone can cap a flag and they just.. stand there doing nothing haha

[sturdy zealot]

I would get a /say macro just to say CAP

I did it for taunting and moving bosses for raid lol it works until it doesn’t

[rancid mist]

Oh that's smart

Yeah I'll do that

[rough geyser]

How do you like

survive as a rogue

When youf ind yourself in a 1v1 or 2v2 without a healer

I'm in a bg and I just couldnt beat this frost mage for the life of me before he wore me out and killed me

With how many movement options he's got I just keep chasing him and then I gotta fight him in his ice orb or whatever and he jsut kills me

[indigo hill]

Stop fighting frostmages. Just vanish and get outta there

[jolly sierra]

dont overthinking it+

[rough geyser]

I thought rogues were a mage's boogeyman

just like mages are a warrior's

[rancid mist]

Absolute despair: turning an Eye of the Storm around through clever capping and then seeing my entire team fighting on the old point, and nobody moving to cap 'our' side or get the flag.

[sick wasp]

not gonna say that raz is streamin' rbgs

[jolly sierra]

dont overthink a rbg

[sick wasp]

but raz streaming rbgs

also hi

[rancid mist]

hi sap

[jolly sierra]

hi

[rough geyser]

Are there any outlaw streamers/youtubers?

[sick wasp]

doubt but u could check the ladder

[narrow tangle]

how is supercharger

[hybrid sapphire]

are pvp servers down? why am i seeing this

[dapper chasm]

Based on performance, the game assumed you're not max level - I've heard of this

[hybrid sapphire]

...what

[dapper chasm]

[near flower]

just logged on and same thing for me

[hybrid sapphire]

ok maybe its "down"

[lone anvil]

Aside from just being oppressively strong ATM what makes disc priest the best healer for rogues in 2s and 3s

Cause disc priest has been paired with rogue ever since WOTLK

And you'd never see a resto druid with a rogue but you would see rDruid with warlock or warrior or DK

[jolly sierra]

ye cant pvp

so went to play yugioh master duel

[dull bridge]

idk why anyone would think rogues counter mages when they have a stun break every 12 seconds (edit:typo)

[steep kiln]

Rdruid dmg is just wrath and cat weaving. While disc pumps now and historically

[lone anvil]

So id doesn't have anything to do with rogues being squishy and needing damage abortion

But rogues need help with damage and other classes don't

[jolly sierra]

based take

[dull bridge]

damage abortion ☠️

rdruid rogue is certainly good

if you play against a good rdruid outlaw youre going to punch a hole through your wall

its wincon is literally frustrating the enemy team to death

[lone anvil]

I'm friends with a high rated r druid who says rogue/druid isn't good. And historically rogue/priest and priest mage rogue is the Comp

That's a comp over 10 years old

I'm just trying to learn why

I wanna understand the synergy

[jolly sierra]

how much are u aiming to in rating?

[lone anvil]

I don't have expectations. I'm new/returning. If I hit 1800 I'll be happy. I know you can hit 1800 off meta

I'm just trying to understand

I like to educate myself

[steep kiln]

A lot of druid/rogue shares dr as well. Stuns blind etc. I'm sure someone in here will say "anything good" to a certain rating.

[jolly sierra]

dont overthink then and push forward w that rdrood

is not like u are going to 2k4 or anything else

ppl thinks just for being less viable that implies that would be inviable in ANY rating

its just dumb

[lone anvil]

So I'm doing 2s with a hunter rn lol.nand I've done 2s with a rshammy this season too. I know all about off meta xD

But I just want to find an answer for why druid/mage/rogue isn't the comp lol

That's all

I feel like learning synergies is part of learning my class even if I don't chose to milk those

And I'm trying to learn rogue

[jolly sierra]

priests by standard has very good synergy and toolkit for both rog and mage

but that doesnt means drood is unviable

dpriest rn have 2 pain supressions, dome, mass dispell, mind control, fear, dark archangel and now penitence

[hybrid sapphire]

what region are you in

[jolly sierra]

EU

[lyric onyx]

D:

[hybrid sapphire]

im in NA. crazy. they mustve blown up a data center somewhere

[lyric onyx]

i just hit 1800 on my druid wanted some rogue fun :/

[jolly sierra]

drood has cyclone, bash, just one barkskin for another players and tranq

priest can do both dps and heal

[steep kiln]

if the druid isn't good it can be super frustrating in my experience. example if your playing assa and he clones in the middle of your go just cause he can

[dull bridge]

these are some cooked takes ngl

[hybrid sapphire]

someone @ me when pvp servers are back im in hearthstone until then

[steep kiln]

hows that cooked

im not saying rdruid/rogue is bad. just that it can be frustrating / why its not as good as disc historically

[jolly sierra]

ye drood is a good partner

but not as good as disc as u say

[sturdy zealot]

do any assass rogues stream blitz? couldnt find any on drustvar but i might be tripping

[lone anvil]

Y'all answered my question. Tyvm

[lone anvil]

Cooked with love

[dull bridge]

how does a bad player being able to fuck you over have any bearing on goodness of a comp? this has the same energy as you saying rogue mage is not a good comp because the mage can type /afk or just stand there and die or whatever

[lone anvil]

I think he was saying something are more idiot proof than others

[steep kiln]

Ya going afk and cycloning the go target are the same thing

[lone anvil]

Any Comp CAN work.

However - There are go to comps.

I was seeking to understand why certain comps are more simbotic than others. That is all

[dull bridge]

it's not that complicated, disc used to be the offensive healer and can contribute to a setup and it doesn't have a lot of cc so rogue helps with that. rdruid has access to an offensive cc no other spec has (offensive cyclone) and has a weakness (strong burst/swap) rogue can help with.

[lone anvil]

No one was trying to slander the Druid/Rogue dip

Setup*

[dull bridge]

i'm not saying they are, but saying rdruid is bad because they can fuck you over or that clone DRs with blind are just not very helpful takes

[jolly sierra]

well is annoying when the rdrood is bad and cyclone ur kill target

but in general is not a bad comp

[lone anvil]

Mage/rogue
Priest/rogue
Priest/mage
Mage/priest/rogue

Have all been dedicated set in stone comps since I played a decade ago

And at least in my recollection. Druid was always paired with warrior, and DK, and affliction lock, and bm hunter

There's definitely patterns

And pretending there aren't is asinine

[lyric onyx]

/script PVPQueueFrameCategoryButton2:SetEnabled(true)

lets you queue

[jolly sierra]

oooooh

nice

[hybrid sapphire]

haha queues will be so slow if everyone is having the probelm tho

[steep kiln]

nobody is saying r druid / rogue is bad except his "high rated friend". Just offered some examples as to why it's historically not as powerful and can be more frustrating than playing with a disc, esp in a pug/lfg setting. To pretend like drs on stuns and blind don't matter in 2's is wild but to each his own

[lyric onyx]

wasnt too bad

only 8 mins

for a blitz

[vocal ginkgo]

Is sub + heals a bad comp in 2s?

[ocean thunder]

man every match there's a feral and ferals are just better than assa in almost every way it's quite annoying

i mean wtf let them do dmg, but they should be equally squishy

[safe pelican]

What’s up with the pvp rated tab ?

Just got home from work

[jolly sierra]

/script PVPQueueFrameCategoryButton2:SetEnabled(true)

type that

im mad af dude

how tf a sp can outdamage everyone

and i got messed up cuz nobody hitted the psyfiend

when i was dying

and i was running to

[ocean thunder]

even if you insta kill fiend SPs to a ton of dmg nowadays and dont die unless you have specific comps

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-16890160374034355907

[jolly sierra]

had an hpal in the team

was useless

xd

[safe pelican]

skill issue lol jkjk

[jolly sierra]

well a dh was in the lobby so

and a hunter

nobody hit the psyfiend F

[static pawn]

/script PVPQueueFrameCategoryButton2:SetEnabled(true)

[static pawn]

oh here already

lol

yeah. weird ass ui bug

maybe they are fixing mmr copium

[rancid mist]

That'd be nice

[jolly sierra]

@gilded gulch did u played mage in SS rn?

[gilded gulch]

No

[jolly sierra]

got it

[frigid holly]

Hey guys I'm a mediocre pvp player and have never pvp'd with rogue what guide and spec/build would you recommend for a total noob?

[rocky vale]

do rogues just have lower health than every other class?

I'm even running engi helm

[blazing copper]

tf is this

[frigid holly]

Rated

[blazing copper]

ye unavailable

[frigid holly]

You need to be max level

[gusty hedge]

outlaw/sin
outlaw: CQQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwDAMDzMzYmBmZGmhBzYmZMzM2mxsMDAAAAAAW2mZmhZmxCzsMGAAAAmZGwAbwMGGzGgtBWMA

Sin: CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPjZmhZmZAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAtsNzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzMzgZmZbbbMA2mZZsxYGzSjZZZYy2wwyA

[rocky vale]

blizz got tired of ppl complaining about pvp balance so they disabled it

[frigid holly]

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of Rated PvP ever being available to players under level cap. If it ever was, it must have been a long long time ago.

[tribal badger]

i dont think thats what they were asking about