Just watched Seth haymaker a pally off lm and get the cap
#pvp
hidden moth
lone anvil
CHAT IS THIS REAL
hidden moth
Soothing shadows currently heals u 15% of hp when u vanish or dance. The update makes it give you 30% hp on vanish but no longer affects dance
So sub gets about the same healing maybe a bit less but combat and assa will get more healing
velvet lichen
What’s everyone’s opinion on the .5 changes? I’ve seen people hate it some people love it, others saying Sub is dead… seems like it’s all over the place
wintry dew
until players can... you know, literally test it, no one knows
near flower
Whats a tough lobby for rogue, i feel like i cant do shit with hogwarts lobbies or caster paired with lizard
polar burrow
Maybe I’m high, but I think subterfuge is the worst thing to have happened to Rogue.
The rest of the kit has been balanced around being able to use ambush 50 times a fight and we are now dogshit without stacking multiple buffs and hitting ambush or shadow strike.
If stealth abilities were more scarce of a commodity the rest of our kit would be way better.
Am I cooking here or do I sound like an idiot
worthy crag
that would only work if utility and micro cc goes back to the way it was in the old days
when stealth was more scarce
jolly sierra
bruh
hidden moth
Are you saying that they added inflation in now ??
I’m shit posting
hidden moth
Maybe I’m high, but I think subterfuge is the worst thing to have happened to Ro...
Both
If stealth ability’s were more for sub rogue which makes sense that’s fine but they kinda already are
Since ass combat has way less access outside of 2 min vanish cds which makes vanish good in pve
I see the recipe for a cake on the counter but all that came out of the oven was burnt toast
potent pivot
think assa is still going 4
hidden moth
think assa is still going 4
Def with the buff to 4 set on Tuesday
2 set stacks faster and 4 set is active at 5/10 stacks vs the 6/10 it is now
4 set Basically is just 5% bleed and poison damage
potent pivot
It’s not
hidden moth
But that’s basically 5% damage increase to almost every attack assa has
potent pivot
No one is replying about assa just now
hidden moth
if they remove one of their biggest talents
Will need to see testing but one could argue 1:30 blades+ more symbols charges but I highly doubt it’s a pvp “buff” it would be better argued as pve buff but even then
hidden moth
No one is replying about assa just now
Ik I was commenting on this
potent pivot
Mm
hidden moth
think assa is still going 4
^
hidden moth
2 set gives 5% poison damage at max. Where the 4 set is a nice 5% extra to garrote rupture ct.
Generally those 3 are my #1 damaging ability’s with ct being an anomaly if it’s st or team fight
wise crown
What do you think of the new talents in 11.0.5 @stoic spruce
stoic spruce
Supercharger?
I like it
They're talking about it now in the pve channel. The problem they have with it is why I like it.
You don't get pve levels of uptime
Really benefits non-crackshot builds as well even when stealth resets bte cd
Idk how good it'll actually be but that's a dps talent not in the outlaw tree so that's cool
I'm glad Realz isn't here as often
Holy moly can this server not cook
jolly sierra
sexooooooooooo
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
nova viper
u are gay?
jolly sierra
im just there because the villagers argues a lot
jolly sierra
u are gay?
no
jolly sierra
why are u gay
the thing makes me thinking
nova viper
potent pivot
jolly sierra
is in my university
why tf my drunk classmates which thought were straight turn attracted to another guys in the parties
i was like wtf
jolly sierra
ye lol
jolly sierra
dont ban me
we are homies dont mute him
jolly sierra
ye dude they asked me for kisses and i was like wtf dont
nova viper
jolly sierra
ye, ppl acts weird w beers
nova viper
You must be handsome companero 
nova viper
stoic spruce
No one said anything about my molcajete joke :/
jolly sierra
i just turned easier to befriend, that is my main social trait
stoic spruce
Wow
jolly sierra
OOF
big take there
the thing i find funny
is than my 54 yo father plays candy crush
like a facebook minion fan mom
nova viper
niiiice
jolly sierra
first time ive played that was for BFA nazjatar WQs
were EZ af to finish most of them
stoic spruce
Panda found it funny
That's all that matters
A roast from a blue name means NOTHING
jolly sierra
hol on
stoic spruce
Killed by DEATH
jolly sierra
@nova viper do u hate popo?
stoic spruce
Do you want to kill me so hard I die from death?
nova viper
jolly sierra
dude i swear this chat makes me chuckle most of times
stoic spruce
I'm not tax deductible
nova viper
i just have low sanity bcs rbg's
stoic spruce
It's been a while since I hated on crackshot
Stupid talent
Gg go next
Now to mark that off my to-do list
jolly sierra
the URBS epic dagger
jolly sierra
oh fuck
upper blackrock spire
i have one in my alt
undead twink i say
but i wish could be able to transfer it to my main
so i can test that shit spamming crits lol
nova viper
nice
waxen meteor
i don't know first lobby with SP/Monk/Marksman seems to be way overskilled than second lobby of week
i feel i am literally few levels above all other players in 2nd lobby
xx99 is never nice
broken otter
What's that?
I dont even know what it is and I want some
could be shit sandwiches for all I know
stoic spruce
Hrngggg
stoic spruce
I dont even know what it is and I want some
Baklava
Crispy and chewy at the same time
surreal barn
What's that?
Baklava 🇬🇷
broken otter
Baklava 🇬🇷
hidden moth
Bruh I’m watching a stream rn
Talking in chat and asking questions answering for some people etc. dude asked for my cr legit dude went off in chat (another viewer) “ur lower cr why u talkin “ and this dude is legit 2100
Blitz giving people egos
waxen meteor
20min waiting to get into that lobby..
yeah... that was misearable...
should have more wins and i made a mistake
going hpal surely was great
that hpal did bop at open on himself
but i forgot hunter could dispell it just step on lock
could have killed him right there
waxen meteor
he bopped at 30%
and sub rogue was at sap position on our hpal
so ...
yeah my bad
kinda built in muscle memory....
sick wasp
happens to all fam
waxen meteor
but that hunter is bozo anyway
open with a 3s stun
for what
when our hpal was sapped at other side of map, we should have already won
but he chose to open with a 3s stun,....
sick wasp
primal ledge
does blinding light dispel bleeds, or does it just insta break with dots on targets?
hidden moth
Think it removes dots
Can’t wait for rets to cast repentance constantly like druids cyclone
steel scarab
Do 2x woven duskthread not stack?
broken otter
I think they do.
stoic spruce
We literally just frolicking sometimes out of nowhere to our enemies
winter seal
sap a dh twice and then his boomkin just moonfires me cause im standing there
check logs no immo aura
like blizz pls
humble spear
Could somebody please share a general decent sub opener? ty 🙂
hidden moth
“ step on me”
Wait not that kind of sub
I generally open the bread with a knife tbh
Wait not that one either
humble spear
😢
hidden moth
isn’t it like cheap strike blades tea dance symbols secret tech cheap evis cheap evis
I don’t play sub but it’s some combo of those iirc
potent pivot
Do 2x woven duskthread not stack?
They do
hidden moth
No tricks can help ya Mike
potent pivot
Could somebody please share a general decent sub opener? ty 🙂
Check Nahj’s YouTube shorts
steel scarab
Is the tooltip wrong, Trickz?
potent pivot
Is the tooltip wrong, Trickz?
Nop
steel scarab
I have 2 of them on, and the tooltip says 756
hidden moth
Do embellishment effects scale off ilvl of the piece
steel scarab
Tried relogging, tried making sets to unequip reequip, tried doing it manually
nothing is working
I used to do this with the mastery buff from Dragonflight
wait
got it
D:
potent pivot
nova viper
classic
vague comet
seriously
what do I do against paladins
as assa
this bop shit is driving me nuts
untold remnant
Play a blood elf and pray arcane torrent works, or accept that paladins counter u
broken otter
:classic: has to be my favorite discord emote ever
I can't do it? :<
stoner duck
Oh I need to pay money. lol
worthy crag
yeah pallies seem pretty popular rn
hidden moth
hidden moth
this bop shit is driving me nuts
Wait till the buffs
untold remnant
Wait till the buffs
Why do they need buffs?
cursive cosmos
Make sure you cleave, dots on everyone and hit em with a giant envenom once death mark is removed
vague comet
do you usually dot healer too?
hidden moth
Why do they need buffs?
Never said they did but in .5 they getting buffs
Repentance 0 cd spamable, freedom doesn’t need to be casted on an ally can still be casted to specify but if cast on self it gives freedom to the nearest ally player in range
broken otter
I had a macro to do that last part on my pally
if I wasnt targetting a friendly for my freedom cast, it'd target a random friendly, cast freedom on em, then cleartarget
err targetlasttarget**
hidden moth
if I wasnt targetting a friendly for my freedom cast, it'd target a random frien...
Auto cast sac
Blessings heal those who have them casted on and again when the blessing ends
Pony grants pally 3 seconds of freedom
Turn evil instant cast, affects 5 enemies near the initial target stuns reduced by 10% in PvP
broken otter
Man these class changes could make up a novel
hidden moth
Blizz legit casually rewrote the new testament
broken otter
ROFL
hidden moth
Sac removes and prevents disease and poison for its duration
broken otter
Ret DF S1 all over again rofl
hidden moth
Clense heals those it’s casted on, lay on hands ignores mortal strikes and dampening, and increases targets armor by 100% for 30 seconds
10% of your healing recieved is duplicated and split between 4 nearby ally’s
broken otter
Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.
Yaaasssssss
Stupid QoL but thank GOD
hidden moth
Flash and holy light heal 30% more to ally and 40% of the healing they do heals u
runic trench
people that use their shitty 1 second cd micro stun in arena
with a rogue
why do you do this
hidden moth
Divine prot and ardent defender buff healing recieved, blessings on ur allies increase their move speed 15%, divine steed reduces 4 nearby allies movement ability’s cd by 3 seconds, aura radius increased by 20 yrd, hoj is now 30 sec cd not 45, word of glory healing 10% buff
hidden moth
people that use their shitty 1 second cd micro stun in arena
What 1 second stun?
runic trench
Like chaos nova
hidden moth
Minimum stun duration is 2 second no?
runic trench
Absolute memes
broken otter
I played BGs all day yesterday. I didn't have a single Blind last for its full duration.
broken otter
At one point I blinded another Rogue on a ledge and a MM on my team walked AWAY from the fight he was in and fired a single shot at the Blinded Rogue
hidden moth
Blind cap is juice
runic trench
Everyone is like rogue cc! But then will dr everything all the time and break every blind
broken otter
tbf it was random not blitz
hidden moth
Sap cap they trinket blind cap gg
runic trench
Like did you need to hoj on cd?
broken otter
Subterfuge now also grants duration to combat bonuses that require Stealth and also have a duration that persists after breaking Stealth, including:
Take 'em by Surprise (Outlaw)
Improved Garrote (Assassination)
Master Assassin (Assassination)
Indiscriminate Carnage (Assassination)
hidden moth
Yes or my cdr lose value
broken otter
So this means you get Subterfuge for 6 sec + 6 ADDITIONAL sec of imp garrote?
Cause if I'm reading that right thats... sexoooo
broken otter
and 3 SoD
hidden moth
Super charger for shiv will be nice
broken otter
Honestly, aside from losing Shadowdust, these Rogue changes are pretty dank
hidden moth
Twist The Knife now enables Envenom’s beneficial effect to overlap up to 2 times.
Master Assassin duration increased to 6 seconds (was 3 seconds) and bonus to critical strike reduced to 25% (was 30%).
Iron Wire silence and damage reduction durations reduced to 5 seconds (was 6 seconds and 8 seconds). PvP duration of the damage reduction effect reduced to 3 seconds (was 4 seconds). PvP duration of the silence effect has not changed (3 seconds).
1 sec loss of the dr/hr but meh and the master assassin buff is nice
All of those changes Oct 22nd
indigo hill
Ofc the one time i get a mw they have no clue how to use their mobility in wsg...
olive minnow
i just lost 9 BGB in a row
dropped from like 2500-2600mmr to 2090
is it me? or did i just get screwd by rng?
i just wonder ...
seems like a pretty low probability to me tho that it's just me ... i mean i'm 1/8 of the team, that's 12.5% of the effort that is brought in total ... and my team is always reliant on these 12.5% to win or lose a game - 9 times in a row? seems really really weird.
hidden moth
Just focus on what u can do better tbh
While u are only 12.5% of the team u should be able to make up for 40% of the effort in lobbies that are 400-500 mmr lower than where u should be
Just gotta sweat every game
olive minnow
that's not a question to me
i tried hard ... still lost - 9 times in a row
that's what is weird to me ... if i lost like 4 games, won 1 and lost another 4 okay
but 9 times in a ROW?
that seems really really odd
olive minnow
there was no cat to my sight lately
olive minnow
Are you sure God isn't smiting you?
also didn't do anything wrong to my knowledge ... why would he smite me if you follow religion logic only the 'bad' persons should be smited by god, no? so i don't see why i would be the target
rough geyser
How much of a bad idea would it be as a new player to start pvping with outlaw first
olive minnow
i think pshero played outlaw for a while
i mean, it's possible to do kinda well ofc, but if you wanna reach out for the stars you have to swap over to sub/assa at some point
for casual gameplay it's fine
runic trench
its just so hard starting as sub i feel
having to learn to use cc
meanwhile every other spec can zugzug
olive minnow
assa is easier, go for that
rough geyser
Assa is the one I wanted the least lol 😄
olive minnow
well, play outlaw then, don't expect to do insanely well tho
broken otter
Outlaw, even when it was good, was considered one of the hardest specs to play in the game.
rough geyser
I was googling that
I saw mostly people saying sub is harder
which is why I was thinking about it
broken otter
Sub is also super complex
broken otter
I suck at Sub but I still do okay with it
olive minnow
if something is 'extremely hard' it's mostly considered bad aswell since no one performs on it ... better off just playing a zugzug class /specc
broken otter
but I'd get my ass handed to me in arenas as Sub
untold remnant
Turn evil instant cast, affects 5 enemies near the initial target stuns reduced ...
The stun reduction on pala is 100% not needed lol
olive minnow
so rn it's more about bgb ... or if you have friends, go for 2v2/3v3
rough geyser
Worst thing about it is that outlaw has different stat priority so
How much of rogue knowledge is transferable between sub/assa and outlaw?
olive minnow
just buy honor gear for outlaw
and if it fits you, get the conquest gear on that stat prio aswell
if not, try to swap over on sub/assa
honor gear is easy to get, or just buy green algari
hidden moth
so rn it's more about bgb ... or if you have friends, go for 2v2/3v3
It’s bgb
Only 49 people 2400+ in 3v3 in na and eu combined rn less for 2v2
olive minnow
yeah as i said
pointless to do anything else but that
if you want some rewards / titles / mounts
hidden moth
U said …or
olive minnow
just go bgb
hidden moth
😉
olive minnow
😉
rough geyser
I mean it kinda makes sense
olive minnow
not sure if blizzard wants you to play bgb
rough geyser
Since they want people to play bgb and get used to it
hidden moth
Since they want people to play bgb and get used to it
Not 1 person 2400 or higher in shuffle rn
Almost hitting 5th week of season
olive minnow
i saw a video of savix complaining about all beeing about arena ... they should change
hidden moth
Is bad
olive minnow
they might listened to that and now forcing ppl to play bgb
olive minnow
forcing a playerbase into something is always bad
hidden moth
U still need 3v3 for glad title mount etc
olive minnow
they should have the right to decide
hidden moth
And 3v3 will always be more prestigious than blitz
Bc of how rng matches can be and maps etc
olive minnow
it's outdated imo tho, savix is kinda right
thats an ultra nieche minority who's willing to look for mates
hidden moth
Savix also said sod is good…
hidden moth
I like Savix but I think he is wrong
broken otter
It's okay the glad mount looks like a sphincter this expansion.
hidden moth
automated fair system like shuffle
Fair? lol rng of lobbies is so bad. And play is a lot less skillful simply bc if u have comms that changes a lot and increases the level of play you can perform at
broken otter
as someone who only plays blitz, I 100% agree 3v3 is the more prestigious mode
but it's really hard for players to break into
hidden moth
It's okay the glad mount looks like a sphincter this expansion.
Mount sucks sure but glad mount is the 2nd most prestigious pvp achievement in the game behind r1 titles. IMO
broken otter
because it requires hours in LFG and then your partner flames you or quits after 1 loss
olive minnow
Fair? lol rng of lobbies is so bad. And play is a lot less skillful simply bc if...
yeah but it evens out over 100 games
broken otter
So, it's the same groups of friends getting glad over and over
hidden moth
yeah but it evens out over 100 games
I see r1 player go 0-6 in their lobbies bc they are mage and lobby has 2 mm hunter
broken otter
As a Mage main, my GOD do I feel that
Was doing BGs on my Mage the other day and every single enemy team had 4 or more MMs on it
hidden moth
because it requires hours in LFG and then your partner flames you or quits after...
I agree with that. Getting into 3v3 can be rough. And I’m glad there are other options available but blizz fucking mmr bc “oh go play diet rbg’s” is bs
hidden moth
Only thing I’m in a tizzy about is 3v3 being the most prestigious lol
candid tide
in blitz it works out well if you decide to play actively instead of passively and call out every important information, it helps motivate ur teammates
else they start fighting in the middle and its gg
hidden moth
in blitz it works out well if you decide to play actively instead of passively a...
Sure but doesn’t always work when you have Timmy from South Park on ur team
candid tide
no more Timmys at 1600-1700 range
broken otter
Until you hit the high MMR playing with r1s, and realize you're the Timmy now.
olive minnow
I see r1 player go 0-6 in their lobbies bc they are mage and lobby has 2 mm hunt...
and the next game there is 2 rogues with this mage, and the mage always gets rmp, and both other rogues get shitcomps so the mage does 6 -0 ... what are you on about?
imo they should put aside this mmr cap bullshit and let ppl get gladmounts etc. from shuffle aswell
what's the playerbase of this game really? mostly 30+ y/o old cucks who either have a 40+ hour work week and/or a wife / kids ... not too much time to play
they don't have time to search online friends anymore for these few hours to play, which doesn't make them 'bad' at the game ... they just don't have the time to play as much as in earlier days
just let them play shuffle 'kinda' competetively and give them rewards for it, what's the reason not to do that
hidden moth
no more Timmys at 1600-1700 range
They can’t even hit 1400 in shuffle, but for some reason blizz has starting mmr at 1500
olive minnow
they won't participate in awc anyways, that's set for degenerates who play 20hours / day
hidden moth
Until you hit the high MMR playing with r1s, and realize *you're* the Timmy now.
Hey man, I’m building my ego this way. Eating them alive. Blue lock style
hidden moth
what's the playerbase of this game really? mostly 30+ y/o old cucks who either h...
That’s tough ngl
If you give everyone the rewards then it’s not special
olive minnow
bro
hidden moth
But u can’t just mmr fuck people from them entirely
olive minnow
you don't give everyone the rewards
it's still hard to get to 2400+ in shuffle
timmy and tommy won't reach there
there is 30+ persons with skill, and there is 30+ persons which are just casuals and they don't wanna be good, they just play to have fun, that's okay, but they'll stay 1500 in shuffle forever
hidden moth
But someone who olnt puts in a hour a week shouldn’t be able to get there either
Should take some effort
olive minnow
But someone who olnt puts in a hour a week shouldn’t be able to get there either
i'm not talking 1 hour / week ... i'm talking like 1-2 hours / day
rough geyser
Is it harder to reach 2400 in 3s or shuffle
hidden moth
3s
olive minnow
also if you get in 1-2 hours a day, that doesn't mean you cant play the game
olive minnow
right now it's harder to get it in shuffle, apparently no one has 2400 in shuffle rn
hidden moth
But glad mount should stay 3v3 and not shuffle
olive minnow
that's because they mmr capped it tho
olive minnow
But glad mount should stay 3v3 and not shuffle
why?
hidden moth
that's because they mmr capped it tho
This
Bc 3v3 is the prestigious mode give it the 2nd most prestigious thing
olive minnow
you are narrowminded
like those old classic guys who don't want ANY CHANGES at all
whatsoever
let the bug be the bug because it always was a bug
hidden moth
I think multipl lists is good the 1950 and 2100 tmog change is good
olive minnow
let the 3v3 always be the 3v3 because it always was the 3v3
but you dont have a good reason
hidden moth
It’s the bracket with the most skill expression enough said
rough geyser
If their aim is to make people play a lot
why not make different glad titles for different queues
olive minnow
so you're forced to look for 2 other persons /lfg hell to be able to get your pvp endgame rewards
hidden moth
why not make different glad titles for different queues
Grand marshal title bgb 2400+
broken otter
Or just make a separate tint of that seasons glad mount or a separate mount entirely
Cause let's face it the pennant is ass
hidden moth
so you're forced to look for 2 other persons /lfg hell to be able to get your pv...
“Forced to look for 2 others” ITS AN MMO
rough geyser
Grand marshal title bgb 2400+
Is it tied to a mount or something else
hidden moth
Is it tied to a mount or something else
No mount
broken otter
Again coming from someone who will never get Legend
hidden moth
Mount is 3v3 grandmarshall title is 2400+ in blitz
U want different rewards per bracket but there already is
Legend shuffle glad mount 3v3 grandmarshal blitz r1 all brackets
wintry dew
Y'all discussing pvp rewards being gatekept again
hidden moth
Kinda
olive minnow
the rng of blitz and shuffle can feel really frustrating tho, ngl
there is a lot of games you feel like you're with the biggest monkeys on planet earth matched into 1 lob
wintry dew
Yep, that's what happens with solo Q content
I know because I was hardstuck 1750 and didn't bother trying again for the tmog set
olive minnow
i mean, statistically you should be evened out at some point, like if you get fucked 10 games in a row by rng, there should be a time you get 10 good lobs in a row aswell, or like 2/3 lobs good for a period of time ...
but hell if you get cucked in a streak it feels devestating
ofc if you quit after the devestating the statistical effect never kicks in, cuz you quit obviously
broken otter
I got 1821 on my Mage for the tmog then swapped to rogue. I think I went 25 wins outa 41 games.
Haven't done any on my Rogue yet
Kinda putting it off
I want the Rogue grand Marshal set, but I don't really like this seasons rogue set
The mythic tint of this rogue tier is sexy though
wintry dew
The white / light purple
broken otter
Yeah
wintry dew
It's really good
broken otter
I don't PvE so I won't see it for years
wintry dew
wintry dew
You can even swap those blue shoulders for the elite ones and it still looks awesome
You can get PvE LFR/normal recolours pretty easily if you get a 2nd rogue
broken otter
My most used rogue mog is the dark mantle set t0.5 with those same daggers and tabard
hidden moth
Depressed dh t2 looks dog water
broken otter
Like it's too similar to the OG t2 I feel
hidden moth
And evoker can’t even flex their tmog bc “must be in dragon form” and only show off shoulders and belt
wintry dew
hidden moth
Tbh I think og t2 looks better than the new t2 for pally
broken otter
Tbh I think og t2 looks better than the new t2 for pally
Same
hidden moth
Noice
wintry dew
Only if you live in nostalgia land
broken otter
Warlock Priest Mage Druid
hidden moth
Nah the glows they added feel off for it
broken otter
Are my winners
hidden moth
Monk is fire
broken otter
Not in any order
hidden moth
Monk/ evokers ate the most imo dk isn’t bad
broken otter
I'm gonna level a druid just for the set
In case in 40years I decide to play a druid
Haha
Anyways, I'm out for the night. Peace, folks.
wintry dew
Three only way for these sets to look even better was if there was a Q&A and a voting system for what to apply/remove from what they cooked
They did fix the rogue T2 mask
wintry dew
I feel you
hidden moth
Real move hit 1600 for token on 2 other rogues and buy the pvp shoulder/ helm with it
Don’t need 1800 lol
wintry dew
Negative
runic trench
that sounds like way more effort
vital void
token doesnt give appearance anyhmore
wintry dew
This isn't DF anymore
wintry dew
Now it is
Because I did that S2 df
2 rogues to 1600
Bought head and shoulders
(only for later in the season to hit 1800 playing for fun)
wintry dew
https://tenor.com/view/headandshoulders-henrik-lundqvist-commercial-gif-5103187
I was expecting it and I'll embrace it
hidden moth
This isn't DF anymore
Oh didn’t know it updated lol
rancid mist
I love Kotmogu in Blitz.
Nobody picks up orbs and just goes and dies in the middle. It's really funny.
cursive cosmos
do you usually dot healer too?
In 2s yeah, in shuffle only if they're nearby. Otherwise you'll lose uptime on the others and you will start running behind
snow mesa
I love Kotmogu in Blitz.
It's my most hated BG
rancid mist
It's really funny. I kept picking up orbs and then I look and the other 3 were held by the other team.
And my team kept trickling in to die.
I'm below 1k so I'm not losing anything but time so it's funny.
I did keep stealing a Warrior's swords though so at least I got to be an obnoxious gremlin.
indigo hill
That tactic stays at 1,6k.😂 😭
hybrid rapids
Hey chat, just as a curious question, what's a class you play that is somewhat similar to rogue (in pvp of course) and not way too hard to pick up? Or just a class you enjoy playing on the side?
hidden moth
Hey chat, just as a curious question, what's a class you play that is somewhat s...
Disc is fun played it since df, dh is nice as well hyper mobile in their face good cc kinda rogue ish
hybrid rapids
I've always read feral is way too complicated to play but ngl I've been curious about it, guess I could level up both a feral and DH and see how it goes
hidden moth
Druid has like 40 buttons ngl
orchid plinth
Rogue has some things going for it: you don't really target allies (ie off healing, buffs etc), you are melee and don't have a pet. Warrior would probably the closest in that matter.
somber plank
Anyone running FB assass?
Was thinking today it might work better for me since I'm running around so much alternating bleeds in 2s
orchid plinth
(DH is not a class) 
hidden moth
Anyone running FB assass?
fb?
somber plank
Fatebound
hidden moth
ah lol
question though ive tried these macros and i smeld, i stealth i get the stealth bonus but it instantly unstealths me. How to fix
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast Stealth
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
stoic lava
Any outlaw crit enjoyers in the chat?
hidden moth
so lemme get this right outlaw gets 2 steps and 2 chain pull w/es
cursive cosmos
Fatebound
I ran it, damage seems more consistent but stalker seems to have better defensives, and if you play well, you get a huge envenom which can catch people off guard
hollow carbon
question though ive tried these macros and i smeld, i stealth i get the stealth ...
There’s no fix, you just get knocked out of stealth by something
indigo hill
so lemme get this right outlaw gets 2 steps and 2 chain pull w/es
With fatebound you get 4 grapples. No steps.
In the coming patch. Now you got 2 grapple 1 step
hidden moth
There’s no fix, you just get knocked out of stealth by something
im doing it in the city
thought they said removed step entirly
maiden cliff
i hope the dmg buffs to outlaw are close to the other specs
maiden cliff
sub 2 piece def, outlaw 4 piece buffs Between the eyes dmg
cursive cosmos
i hope the dmg buffs to outlaw are close to the other specs
Fine with this as long as we don't get SL S4 outlaw, was terrible to play against
rough geyser
So how does gameplay of sub and outlaw differ?
hidden moth
Posting this again bc its pulling me out in town with noone to be incombat with
question though ive tried these macros and i smeld, i stealth i get the stealth bonus but it instantly unstealths me. How to fix
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast Stealth
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
runic trench
is 1800 in solo shuffle harder than 1800 in normal 3s?
pastel burrow
no
gusty hedge
question though ive tried these macros and i smeld, i stealth i get the stealth ...
double tap
pastel burrow
honestly it's probably easier to get 2.1k in shuffle than it is to get 1800 in normal 3s now
orchid plinth
question though ive tried these macros and i smeld, i stealth i get the stealth ...
The ! is a prefix used to prevent casting the spell if it's already in effect. Since casting Stealth while in Stealth equals to unstealthing. The second macro should work but you need to press it at least twice (so just spam it).
hidden moth
The `!` is a prefix used to prevent casting the spell if it's already in effect....
thx, didnt realize i needed 2x press
orchid plinth
I actually don't know why you need to press it twice, you just do. Meld and stealth is weird...
And since you need to spam the macro, the first one would unstealth you! Hence the ! version.
chrome schooner
The reason why you need to press it twice is because when you press a macro it attempts to perform every action written inside, in order, the moment you press it
But the attempt at performing all those actions happens when you press the macro, regardless of the order
When you press it the first time you are in combat so the /cast Stealth cannot be done
Even if it'd Meld first
rough geyser
How do outlaw players handle cancelling blade flurry to use gouge/blind?
Do you just macro cancelaura blade flurry cast gouge/blind?
hidden moth
SO what am i to do vs dh? im legit losing 3/4th my hp to an eye beam
hollow galleon
Are the pins accurate for builds and such? Wanting to start getting into pvp as sin
hidden moth
Are the pins accurate for builds and such? Wanting to start getting into pvp as ...
semi
i just go off of top 5 people in each bracket and see their talents
rough geyser
damn man where do I put all those stuns
and focus macros for them
I have R blind, T kick, F cheap, G kidney, Z sap, dont know where to fit gouge and focus for it
hollow carbon
question though ive tried these macros and i smeld, i stealth i get the stealth ...
I thought you are pressing it twice already and go in stealth, since you mention you get stealth bonus
hollow carbon
I have R blind, T kick, F cheap, G kidney, Z sap, dont know where to fit gouge a...
Mousewheel up and down
rough geyser
Can't do that honestly
I can't even scroll well rn
it's just going randomly down and up
probably wouldn't be the best thing
rough geyser
True
hollow carbon
Sap or blind prob
rough geyser
not cheap/kidney?
rough geyser
Sap or blind prob
most or least ?
hollow carbon
Sap or blind the least
rough geyser
Blade flurry
hollow carbon
I see, Blind on S can be awkward
Like S is a weird keybind on a melee if you move forward with W
rough geyser
yeah but I kinda ran out of binds tbh 😄
rough geyser
I see, Blind on S can be awkward
So what cc would you say I use the msot then?
I guess IC ould just free up E
and put blade furry somewhere else
sturdy zealot
It took me like 10 games at around 1500 iirc before it started counting for me
hollow carbon
So what cc would you say I use the msot then?
Personally I have these keybinds, E Kick, T Blind, R Kidney, C Cheap, Gouge Mouse Up/Down, G Disarm, S Feint
Most used CC are kick > kidney/cheap > gouge > disarm > blind
lone anvil
That dude yesterday who said vanish is now going to heal for 30% health
Was he just trolling lol
surreal barn
It will but dance will no longer trigger the 15% it does now
hollow carbon
@rough geyser There are some good reasons I have these keybinds. Early on I had Kidney on S and that was horrible, I will tell you why. When I was moving forward to get in range for a Shadowstep+Kidney I had to release W to press S, and so I missed a lot of those cause ppl went out of range meanwhile I pressed Step but wasnt fast enough to press S for Kidney.
I have Shadowstep bound on Q, so you always want to be able to press ur CC like stuns and kick at the same time like your Shadowstep. Focus binds are always with Shift.
So you want to be able to be really fast with combos like step+kidney, step+kick on current target OR on focus target like healers right? with step on Q you can always press it while moving forward with W for getting in range and spamming it, and also can use your index finger to press the CC like kidney on R or Kick on E
lone anvil
It will but dance will no longer trigger the 15% it does now
So instead of having two 15% heals I will have two 30% heals
(sorry for showing off my math skills, I don't usually like to brag)
hidden moth
https://murlok.io/character/eu/silvermoon/bazzty/pvp#talents-class
@lone anvil enjoy reading the new testament
oct 22
lone anvil
Blessings.
rough geyser
<@226604587862327296> There are some good reasons I have these keybinds. Early ...
Yeah I mean that would be alright I just don't know where to put everything
too many keybinds lol
Btw is feint used at all without the talent for the non-aoe dmg reduce?
hollow carbon
Btw is feint used at all without the talent for the non-aoe dmg reduce?
Not too much, just on AOE spells then
hollow carbon
fists of fury etc y
hidden moth
blade storm
dh death sweep
lock sbolt volley, blizzard frozen orb from mage fok, volley, starfall, chain lightning stuff like that
when in a team fight in blitz i just throw it if i have the energy bc alot of the damage going is going to be aoe usually. most will be focusing casters in the team fight not rogues
long shore
anyone knows the main reason why most high rated sub rogues are playing Sepsis?
orchid plinth
You need it to get Invigorating Shadowdust and both Perforated Veins and Invevitibility is garbage.
steep kiln
trill was streaming assa the other day in 3s
seemed like he mostly played sub though. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2263939573?filter=archives&sort=time vod of a few hours of assa
sharp sierra
Can anyone Link the best PvP build Here pls
lone anvil
Can anyone Link the best PvP build Here pls
The real best pvp build is the hunters you lose to along the way
muted pollen
is the only way to get set bonus in pvp the catalyst ?
jolly sierra
stoic spruce
That's so real and true
Thank you for sharing
Another not so well known rule is to say please and thank you
fervent cobalt
What's the addon that shows when the healer is cc in the middle of the screen? I think it might be a WA. But I'm not sure.
jolly sierra
Another not so well known rule is to say please and thank you
they should ban for thanking people
/s
stoic spruce
They should be more/less lenient on bans depending on what the person plays.
lone anvil
How come there were no ele shamans last weekend for AWC but this weekend everyone's on ele shaman lol
fervent cobalt
how do I get this WA to show in Warmode? https://wago.io/d7vZ_U1eO
lyric onyx
i see whaazz is using the elemental focusing lens rather than duskthread
potent pivot
Can anyone Link the best PvP build Here pls
Check the pins
potent pivot
i see whaazz is using the elemental focusing lens rather than duskthread
I think it’s ok to play depending on what your comp is
Barely matters either way
potent pivot
how do I get this WA to show in Warmode? https://wago.io/d7vZ_U1eO
Check the load conditions
stark hollow
Is it worth going 4p on sub in pvp? losing out on the mast
potent pivot
Is it worth going 4p on sub in pvp? losing out on the mast
doesn't look like it
gray dune
so why dont i gain much rating in solo shuffle? I dont lose much either it seems
potent pivot
have you finished placement games
lone anvil
How do I turn in the "No Mercy For Merciless" quest? It won't let me turn it in in my wintersgrasp BG. Do I have to travel to the zone
gray dune
yeah im 1404 lol
lone anvil
And to travel to old zones do I have to use wotlk chromie or can I just take the dalarn portal
potent pivot
you only talk to chromie for leveling
lyric onyx
god damn echo is going crazy
potent pivot
this team beat them last time
lyric onyx
yeah theyre back for blood
potent pivot
so they're pulling out everything yeah
potent pivot
idk i don't think ele is going to do anything for them
lone anvil
What kinda spec rogue is whazz on that makes him a kitty
sturdy zealot
What resources should I start off with for assassination rogue in pvp?
tender ember
anybody checked whaz's gem choice and weap enchant on 1 assa game?
potent pivot
anybody checked whaz's gem choice and weap enchant on 1 assa game?
looks like Lens and mast>vers gems
think it was with the same build as in the pins as well
wep enchants were just radiant power
tender ember
thanks
potent pivot
What resources should I start off with for assassination rogue in pvp?
there's some resources in the pins, some links to helpful sites at the very bottom etc
tender ember
does gem matter as assa with focusing lens?
for sub i guess ye cos there are multipliers to shadow
potent pivot
tbh i don't think so
not even sure that sub's kit enhances the shadow damage
usually enchants/trinkets/embellishments are not amped by spec dmg modifiers these days
tender ember
i see, thanks
potent pivot
pika is using Lens and mast > vers gems as well
candid tide
dang man i lost 0-6 against a assa rogue at 1700
i cant believe
all 6 games i was top dmg
lost 72 ratings
what is going on
jolly sierra
assa is better in uncoordinated brackets
daring plover
is the glad mount really a bat again?
potent pivot
ye
tender ember
pika is using Lens and mast > vers gems as well
yea but he playing sub, so i guess its in case it scales, also sub can afford mast vers gem easier than assa
potent pivot
yea but he playing sub, so i guess its in case it scales, also sub can afford ma...
idk whaazz didn't even use vers goggles as assa surprisingly
he used 4 set and conq neck/ring and pve ring i think
tender ember
u can consider all his rings and neck as conq
potent pivot
but he still used 4p gloves and regular crafted helm
tender ember
with vers ring enchant
tender ember
yea but with high versa low mastery
potent pivot
very similar stats to conq ring tho ye
but if we want to use it on live we'll have to farm m+
oh his neck is pve too i think
raid neck
tender ember
y it gives more vers then pvp one
potent pivot
yea
tender ember
tho its fine i dont think on ladder u need extra vers
potent pivot
so we should prolly just keep using vers goggles, conq neck/ring, crafted ring
if we don't want to pve
i think you want a decent amount of vers
maybe depending on what heals you usually play with
tender ember
ill probably go with crafted normal head, pvp ring, pvp neck, versa gems
versa ring enchants
maybe will swap for crafted neck also, i guess for ladder it will be all fine
on awc ppl tends to play high vers
potent pivot
think it can also depend a lil bit on comp, whether you're getting trained more than your other dps
personally i've been finding 25-28% vers feels good in 3s
chrome schooner
at or below 20% versa is where it's at
potent pivot
idk, i don't like it
i play assa/frost a lot and i tend to take the most compared to when i play assa/aff
chrome schooner
yes
but lets say you have 20% instead of 28%
it's only 4% dmg takent difference, and investing stats into anything else would net way more than 8% dmg
rough geyser
So the only way to get the purple algari competitor gear is to craft it yourself?
chrome schooner
assa dies to air so 4% more or less dmg taken ... negligible
potent pivot
So the only way to get the purple algari competitor gear is to craft it yourself...
there's an NPC to place crafting orders
rough geyser
Oh I see
Which ccs share dr with each other?
Or how does it work
What cc do I wanan use first and later or how do I wanna go about it
worthy crag
ccs share DR with other ccs of the same category
stuns share dr with stuns, disarm shares dr with disarm, etc
vocal ginkgo
i play assa/frost a lot and i tend to take the most compared to when i play assa...
Are you playing assa or sub more right now?
vocal ginkgo
Which ccs share dr with each other?
Download diminish or a similar DR tracking addon, it helps a lot imo
Can even hit a dummy with all your cc so you can see how it works and learn how to track the DRs
rough geyser
Right so cheap and kidney, gouge and sap
potent pivot
Are you playing assa or sub more right now?
i play both pretty equally
potent pivot
Which ccs share dr with each other?
there's links at the bottom of the pins that have DR info
rough geyser
Either I'm dumb or the description of the talent is weird
potent pivot
Crackshot isn't a proc
BtE has no cooldown when used during Subterfuge basically
so you can spam BtE during Subterfuge instead of pressing Dispatch
rough geyser
Oh I get it now
candid tide
assa is better in uncoordinated brackets
when dampening ramps up those bleeds gonna melt right
vague summit
Are we thinking liquid wins or the move?
potent pivot
prolly liquid if i had to guess
vocal ginkgo
i play both pretty equally
In which game modes/scenarios do you prefer assa or sub? And viceversa
potent pivot
i prefer assa in shuffle because sub feels like torturing yourself but i still play it in shuffle regardless
weary pumice
do you have any tips against affli/x ? We're assa+disc and constently losing against affli
potent pivot
in 2s?
weary pumice
yes
potent pivot
i really don't play 2s like that these days, but i'd assume you just shut down their healer and train the aff
aff is also getting nerfed on Tuesday so
vague summit
the mooooove
weary pumice
i feel he have too much self heal
potent pivot
lock is kinda squishy
weary pumice
alright i'll try, thanks
fervent cobalt
So sub isn't going 4 set this Tuesday?
potent pivot
i'm sure some people will test it regardless
but they haven't been using it in the AWC so we prolly aren't going to use it on ladder
fervent cobalt
I mean it's 8% on finishers after tech cast we just tech first and then get a huge bonus
vocal ginkgo
i prefer assa in shuffle because sub feels like torturing yourself but i still p...
I started doing better in shuffle as sub, shadowy duel was huge for me but I understand that playing sub in shuffle is kinda crazy since there’s barely any communication and setups
Honestly, I preferred sub because I stopped being the kill target for the most part
I was getting trained as assa and I’m still a noob rogue
potent pivot
I mean it's 8% on finishers after tech cast we just tech first and then get a hu...
yeah compare that to having more mastery at all times though
vague summit
man carl fucked up
potent pivot
you'll have less mastery for every Dance without Tech
median mesa
Which poisons do yall use (outlaw) I rock Instant/Atrophic but dont know if I should go Wound/Cripple
potent pivot
and the +8% with Tech will be missing mastery too, so even those Tech+Dances aren't much better
fervent cobalt
i'm sure some people will test it regardless
@potent pivot damn I really thought 4 set sub was so good
potent pivot
it was
but they fixed it not being nerfed in pvp
if it was still unnerfed in pvp it would be better
potent pivot
Which poisons do yall use (outlaw) I rock Instant/Atrophic but dont know if I sh...
wound/crip
fervent cobalt
Hmm so mastery engi helm or versa
potent pivot
I started doing better in shuffle as sub, shadowy duel was huge for me but I und...
yeah it's just so brainrot watching every Blind etc get broken by some dumbo's aoe
potent pivot
Hmm so mastery engi helm or versa
prolly mastery, if we go goggles
sub doesn't really need the extra vers like assa
fervent cobalt
Damn I have all my conquest saved thinking I was going 4 set lmfao
I can craft engi googles right now
vocal ginkgo
yeah it's just so brainrot watching every Blind etc get broken by some dumbo's a...
And then getting yelled at because we aren’t topping the dmg charts as sub
“Gotta do some more dmg rogue”
😭
potent pivot
I can craft engi googles right now
i think we might just use regular crafted helm
especially if you play both specs
fervent cobalt
I only play sub
potent pivot
not many subs have crafted goggles atm
potent pivot
“Gotta do some more dmg rogue”
idk i've never had anyone say that to me
i usually do well enough dmg wise
lone anvil
aff is also getting nerfed on Tuesday so
How bad lol, Ive been gearing my warlock as my backup hes almost caught up to my rogue
potent pivot
Whaazz uses versa Google on his alt rogue
that's his assa rogue
potent pivot
How bad lol, Ive been gearing my warlock as my backup hes almost caught up to my...
pretty damn bad
from what i've heard so far it might be bad enough to the point affli isn't as meta
lone anvil
I dont understand why they change stuff so constantly lol.
I especially dont understand why they make big changes in the middle of a tournament
potent pivot
demo got a few buffs, and destro is already doing kinda well
lone anvil
I cant imagine training/preparing for an eSports tournament only to have my class/spec nerfed after all the hours I put into it
potent pivot
potent pivot
I dont understand why they change stuff so constantly lol.
I especially dont un...
everyone likes consistent tuning
fervent cobalt
Yea I do too
lone anvil
everyone is a strong word lol
fervent cobalt
Just keep it fresh
potent pivot
the problem is, especially lately, the tuning has been terrible
fervent cobalt
Over so much aff
lone anvil
I just think it puts an astrix on the tournament
imagine in any sport
like basketball
potent pivot
the nerf stuff that isn't even good, then overnerf stuff that is good
potent pivot
buff stuff that is already good, and overbuff stuff that isn't good
they've been all over the place
lone anvil
it doesnt make sense
its supposed to be a high level / professional / esports tournament
potent pivot
i kinda agree on the tourney thing
potent pivot
i don't think they should do such big tuning during a tourney
fervent cobalt
Tournament realm should keep the patch it starts on
potent pivot
yeah idk
like they get instant full bis on TR
but they've already put a lot of time into practicing the meta classes
lone anvil
well also, even if youre good at lets say 2 classes
that doesnt mean both will be interchangeable in a 3s comp
so basically either whoever is better at the most classes, or whoevers main gets nerfed the least wins
its like luck/rng lol
if people have time to prepare a specific comp for a tournament
it should be untouched
surreal barn
I think I’m the only one that misses Legion tuning lol
lone anvil
I think their should be tuning up untiuil the season begins
I agree with frequent tuning
but I dont think it should stay
constant throughout a season
every single week
let people work around whats strong/weak
rather than playing an entire different game every week
lone anvil
I think I’m the only one that misses Legion tuning lol
what was that
potent pivot
I think their should be tuning up untiuil the season begins
i mean it really doesn't matter to most people
you can just pick a main and be fine the entire season
people FOTM swap classes way too much in this game
thinking that playing the FOTM spec will actually result in them getting much higher ranks, but it doesn't 90% of the time
potent pivot
just picking 1 spec and getting good will give better results
lone anvil
sure
I havent swapped to anything crazy meta like UH dk, disc priest, feral ect
But I still dont like constant changes lol
potent pivot
i've probably played more unholy dk this season than rogue
and i'm not much higher cr on the dk than my rogues
lone anvil
I like to do arena with my friends
ive never randomly queued for 2s or 3s with rando's
i like oldschool way like TBC or wotlk where you and your team do matyches every week
sterile prairie
Ive been outlaw this entire season i cant win for my life lol
surreal barn
what was that
PvP Stat templates
lone anvil
every tuesday
lone anvil
i've probably played more unholy dk this season than rogue
UN is FOTM what are you talking about
potent pivot
every tuesday
it shouldn't matter, just play whatever lol
i'm saying it doesn't matter that it's FOTM
lone anvil
You just shamed people for playing FOTM and then bragged about having a higher CR on a fotm class
potent pivot
do you know how to read bro
potent pivot
i'm literally saying it's pointless to fotm swap
lone anvil
so thats pretty good
potent pivot
i chose to alt unholy before it was fotm
lone anvil
if you beat your main
potent pivot
i was actually alting frost until a couple weeks ago truly
lone anvil
yeah, I mean im healing on rdruid so youre preaching to the choir
im just saying I dont like constant tuning
potent pivot
but if we don't have constant tuning unholy dk/affliction would stay fotm forever
and that's bad
surreal barn
Been maining life and alting WoW. Feelsbadman
lone anvil
I have a warlock cause I like warlock lol
sturdy zealot
Been maining life and alting WoW. Feelsbadman
Ur doing it so wrong smh
potent pivot
but ur saying u don't play 3s with ur friends because of constant tuning
and that's just bad
should just play lol
even r druid is fine
it's not like you're pushing for rank 1 i assume
only way to get better is to play
worrying about tuning/fotm, worrying about CR, etc
all that is just a waste of time
lone anvil
but ur saying u don't play 3s with ur friends because of constant tuning
No we still play
but like if we are putting time and effort and thought and planning into a specific comp
its tough to have all the changes constantly
but everyone else is going through it too
so w.e.
ill stop my belly aching
dull bridge
outlaw being played on awc right now
sterile prairie
outlaw being played on awc right now
really?
potent pivot
no
dull bridge
potent pivot
pretty much the only melee that can keep up with frost mage
2-1 now
dull bridge
frost mage is just disgusting dude
potent pivot
don't know if outlaw is doing enough
dull bridge
maybe this tuesday
dull bridge
i think it's (going to be) good - not great
potent pivot
yeh
dull bridge
feral is ok
potent pivot
nah both feral and frost need nerfs
lone anvil
What metrics go into how much rating you lose and how much rating you gain in RBGs?
Does game score effect it?
jolly sierra
What metrics go into how much rating you lose and how much rating you gain in RB...
MMR into CR
lone anvil
MMR into CR
Hmmm
wanton breach
nah both feral and frost need nerfs
Imagine asking a caster DPS to actually cast abilities
potent pivot
imagine letting casters have so many snares/roots/knocks
the dmg isn't really the issue at this point
and blizz nerfed the 1 snare talent that frost barely plays/doesn't need
lone anvil
MMR into CR
So game score doesn't effect it
lone anvil
MMR into CR
So if I'm in a situation where it's like "win a game +7 rating." And then "lose a game - 17" it feels like I have to win two games for every win just to advance, what advice besides "get good" would you have for me
potent pivot
damn trill just took the dick in that match
wanton breach
the dmg isn't really the issue at this point
Don't forget the insane amount of utility
rough geyser
That frost mage should have been dead 5 times
jolly sierra
because i wanna stab ppl
wanton breach
idk why all rogues haven't just swapped to feral
having kidneyshot on a 20s CD seems scary
glacial barn
Is there a macro that does similar with flagellation and spesis? #showtooltip
/cast [known:12950]Whirlwind; Slam
dull bridge
damn trill just took the dick in that match
they realized that the rogue dies easier and it was game over for liquid
potent pivot
Is there a macro that does similar with flagellation and spesis? #showtooltip
/...
you can make one yeah