pvp

[spring bough]

Shadow priest I avoid cause they are invincible

[lavish gorge]

A good surv hunter keeps me awake at night

[spring bough]

I usually train the other DPS if they got an spriest teammate

Also resto shaman is a good train too. Kill that spirit link and they get overwhelmed real fast

Usually try to train affli locks too cause they hurt. And interrupt anything you can

Survival and MM avoid. Try to kill them but avoid all the burst lol

A lot of DKs blindly train and LOS themselves. Zug zug lifestyle

[lavish gorge]

I absolutely love seeing a dk summon his horsey army and I just vanish and watch until they disappear lol

"Damn thats a lot of damage that could have been done to me..."

[lone anvil]

This is embarrassing but anytime I'm fighting a DK and try and tab target I have to cypher through a million of their minions. Someone told me to turn off minion name plates in game setting. I did that and it's not helping

[lavish gorge]

Focus target dk, bind target focus

Bip bap

[lone anvil]

What's that mean

[lavish gorge]

Set dk as focus target. He summons army, don't tab, hit keybind to target your focus target

[lone anvil]

I don't know what either of those things means

[celest burrow]

Or you can set target nearest player with a simialr keybind

[lavish gorge]

^also true

[lone anvil]

I don't know what or how a focus target is

[celest burrow]

nearest enemy player sorry

[lone anvil]

And I haven't set any keybinds yet

I'm a returning player and trying to learn

[hidden moth]

pro tip, make targeting binds for yourself ally 1 2 arena enemy 123

[lavish gorge]

^^^^big true

[lone anvil]

I need this literally spelled out. I'm not trying to be difficult. This is hieroglyphics to me

[hidden moth]

ally binds arnt as important bc ur not a healer but still useful when steping a heal to los enemys for re stelth etcv

[lavish gorge]

A focus target is like a sub-target compared to whatever it is you're actively targeting. Think of it as something you've gotta pay attention to while you're murdering something else

[lone anvil]

Is there a macro tab on Pins or a macro video to watch I asked before for starter macros for assassination and no one reaponded

[hidden moth]

in ur keybinds there is settings

[lavish gorge]

I dunno about ass I play outlaw

[hidden moth]

i havnt set them up on this toon, but i usually have them on keybindings 1,2,3 alt 1 alt 2 alt 3

[lavish gorge]

Right click target portrait, set focus target.

Make a macro
/Target [@focus]

Otherwise what schtabby is saying is very effective for arenas

[hidden moth]

Doing what im saying and having focus binds is also nice

[lavish gorge]

Both. Both is good.

[lone anvil]

Why is the base game of WoW so far removed from how people actually play the game lol

[hidden moth]

u can also make a macro to set a person as focus so u dont need to right click them and then click set as focus, just have a keybind for it

wym

[lone anvil]

You need a 100 page manual just to get keybinds, macro, and UI and nameplates and targeting to a playable point

[hidden moth]

Hey man, i could send u to ff14 lol

[lone anvil]

The base game should include more of the things people actually need to play the game

[lavish gorge]

Its only really if you care about that stuff. Ultimately you can play without them and succeed.

And also that is a valid point

[hidden moth]

go try ninja and its 72 button 15 second opener

[lavish gorge]

Many people feel similarly

Nah black mage

[hidden moth]

black mage is up there but hey

[lavish gorge]

Managing ley lines and precogging mechanics all day

[hidden moth]

when u want to use a ninjutsu and have to press 3 different keys in the right order then another seperate key to use the ninjusu

[spring bough]

There is an addon that turns tab into enemy players only for PvP

[lavish gorge]

Not me I played machinists. Obviously an outlaw main here

[spring bough]

Tab target arena is the addon name or something along those lines. It’s pretty nice

[hidden moth]

and if u mess up one combo of the 3 keys before the 4th u either get the wrong jutsu or just end up using the jutsu charge and having a rabbit spawn on ur head "yeah ur a dumbass HERY EVERYONE LOOK AT WHO FUCKED UP THEIR 30 SECOND CD"

[lavish gorge]

Thanks sinnen.

[lone anvil]

That's awesome

[spring bough]

“Tab target arena fix” is the name

[hidden moth]

Spidey are u using sarena? for arena frame

[spring bough]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/tabtargetarenafix

[hidden moth]

sarena is nice, shows cast bar, their dr and racial/trinkets

[lone anvil]

Ummm I have a few addons I'll have to check

[lavish gorge]

I like plater also personally. I use it to remove fluff effects so I can watch for important abilities and immunities

If there's something better lmk

[spring bough]

Looks like there is a script to change the tab priority too

/run C_CVar.SetCVar("TargetPriorityPvp",3)
When in pvp, give higher priority to players and important pvp targets (1 = players & npc bosses [default], 2 = all pvp targets, 3 = players only)

[lone anvil]

I have

BattlegroundEnemies (for Rbgs and normal BGs but i turn it off for arena and Epic bgs)
OmniCD
TrufiGCD
GladiusEX
Diminish
Hekill

And I might have a few others

[hidden moth]

i used galdius i prefer sarena but i do use gladilossa

[lone anvil]

I have weak auras but I don't know how to add shit to it

Apparently I'm supposed to manually add different auras to it

[spring bough]

I used Plater until I tried Betterblizzplates and I’m never going back to plater. Betterblitzplates >>>>>>>>>>

[lone anvil]

No idea what that means

[hidden moth]

i use kui

[lone anvil]

I want that but I don't have curse rn just using Wagu or whatever the other one is

[spring bough]

Haven’t heard of that one I’ll give it a look when I get home

[lone anvil]

Ty everyone for your help

[spring bough]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/retabbinder-pvp-smart-targeting

[lone anvil]

So I want Sarena, kui and betterblizzplates

[lone anvil]

Tyvm

[hidden moth]

https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueWarWithin
@lone anvil i like this w/a

its big but thats bc its for all 3 rogue specs. changes based on which spec is active. tracks ur energy combos and utility all in one spot, also shows how many active garrotes/ruptures u have etc

how many stacks of deathmark u have active, and if darkest night procs all that good stuff

[lone anvil]

I'm saving all of these as screenshots in my phone

You guys are a blessing

[hidden moth]

im just a nerd

[lone anvil]

At some point would love to talk about macros too but I'll start with these addons when I get home tonight

[lavish gorge]

Well I'm sold

[spring bough]

My favorite is the nameplates for friendlies and enemies in games. + over healers so you know where yours are. Then it tells you the persons spec above their name for enemies. And the + next to enemy healers names too

Then all the buff / debuff prios it shows are great too

[lone anvil]

This is kinda like the worst question to ask y'all. But do you guys take advantage of all those gizmos and gadgets

I'm not going to like between El ability rotation, movement / keeping up with moving enemies and everything that's going on in a short succession. I'm not always super aware of DRs and CDs and stuff

😅😅😅

[spring bough]

Honestly all I really look out for is DRs. 8/10 times I don’t even look to see if their trinkets up or not usually busy looking at other things

[safe pelican]

BBP > Kui btw , I’ve tried both BBP has a better indicator system but Kui has a better target system but you can just use the target add on to make up for that

[warped gate]

I've been running into a problem where randomly my MMO mouse just refuses to invite the Alt+ binds to the party, only thing I can think to do is restart my PC.

Anyone else ran into this and was able to fix it or at least know what causes it?

[warped gate]

I'm currently getting rage whispers from a Shaman who went 0-6 and is screaming about how everyone in the lobby was bad and he was the only one playing right. I'm so upset we can't send images in WoW, I swear:

Well, they're not exactly rage whispers, it started off as rage whispers, but they kinda tuned into therapy whispers.

[solar bronze]

Have you tried trading him milk? Or sending milk in the mail. That does the trick.

https://tenor.com/view/he-needs-milk-fall-gif-9637606

[warped gate]

I kinda don't wanna antagonize this guy, I actually feel bad for him.

Dude is genuinely sad and really can't understand why he lost.

Seriously though, if anyone knows that mouse issue, I'd love an answer.

[spring bough]

Sometimes I repeat things people say to me and it gets them even more mad

[warped gate]

Ha, I just read about something like that:

[spring bough]

Shows em whose boss lol

[warped gate]

He was an Enhancement Shaman though, mans is playing what is considered to be the worst melee class in the game, no surprised he's big mad after a Shuffle.

I've been experimenting around with some stuff and trying out Shiv. I want to like it, but finding it hard to justify keeping it.

I can Shiv off a Fury's Enrage, but he's gonna put it right back on in a second. Outside of that, it can get rid of Berserker Rage. That's it. That's as far as purging goes with it in PvP.

[stoic spruce]

I saw that

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dextermorgan-dexter-morgan-i-saw-what-you-deleted-i-saw-that-gif-14737014648895681644

[warped gate]

[lone anvil]

No, it's definitely everyone elses fault but his for him going 0-6 on enh shammy.

[blazing copper]

I just joined a solo shuffle with 0 healers lol

anyone ele had this rofl

[outer sky]

how much agi does a 639 badge give?

[spring bough]

Prot paladins??

[blazing copper]

yep

[spring bough]

Yeah. They are counted as healers

[blazing copper]

why is this an insane sweat

[spring bough]

It’s the most troll thing ever

Usually just focus prot till bubble swap then back onto them and live lol

[warped gate]

In my experience, there's that one Prot Pally that knows what he's doing and another that doesn't, so he goes 6-0 and you get a 3-3.

[blazing copper]

I just had 5 wins

[spring bough]

Been there too. Can sometimes figure out round one or two which is the weakest link DPS and get a win from going them too lol

[blazing copper]

so it was decent

[lone anvil]

Why is prot paladin treated as a healer LOL

Id be pissed

[spring bough]

cause blizz trolls us dps. i usually get those lobbies when im like 1 win away from the next rank

and then lose it lol

This rogue** in my game is named Blitzenjoyer lol

[vocal ginkgo]

sin or sub to climb solo shuffle/bgs? experienced pvper but noob rogue

This skillcapped UI addon is pretty clean

[vocal ginkgo]

Btw does it matter if I deathmark before or after I apply bleeds? Or should it always be before I apply them

[potent pivot]

Should do it after really

It still works either way, but you waste Deathmark uptime if you don’t have dots applied

[spring bough]

so i did the world pvp quest in ringing deeps that gives tokens yesterday. just checked out which ones are up. and that one is available to complete again. duplicate or bug? lol

[outer sky]

Literally did negative damage

[potent pivot]

I definitely wouldn’t recommend hekilli for pvp whatsoever

[lone anvil]

I don't regularly follow it in pvp lol. That's more for PvE but I also don't shut it off in pvp, I probably should. Less to look at

[potent pivot]

Ok nice

It’s not terrible for first time learning specs in pve

[plucky escarp]

Is there a good RMP guide that is current? My friends and I are wanting to try it

[spring bough]

how do people seriously get like 50 or less points on temple

boggles my mind people dont play orbs

[potent pivot]

Not really. Can watch some awc vods or streamer vods

[vocal ginkgo]

I seriously need help as a rogue in solo shuffle, I am sucking so bad compared to regular rated arenas or even bg blitz

All my lobbies seem to be some super zugzug lobbies where everyone is going crazy and just attacking anything with no coordination whatsoever 😭

How can I adapt to this and at least be useful in solo?

Any must-know strategies or something for rogues in solo shuffle?

[gray dune]

what rank is it to get the elite shoulders?

[wintry dew]

1800

[fervent shell]

hekilli won't tell me when to interrupt? 😦

[wintry dew]

it's a (bad) pve addon

[lucid bear]

Anyone got a good sub WA for pvp?

[potent pivot]

most people don't use pve WAs in pvp

search rogue on wago.io if you still want one tho

[gray dune]

i mean rotation addons arent that bad for pve, if you dont follow them religiously lol. I dont use hekilli though

[potent pivot]

they work for their niche, which is like the first couple days you play a new spec

but they're generally not recommended to use long term at all

[lucid bear]

Was hoping for one that would highlight last stack on mark for execute shots/dmg buff utilization

When I'm watching stun drs and stuff and juggling LOS and stuff lol.. Just thought maybe someone had a simple one that they find useful lol

[broken otter]

If you can be really specific about what you want, I'

I'll make you one right now

For starters we want an Icon one, right?

[lucid bear]

Oh jeez, you don't have to go through all that trouble.

[broken otter]

Nah nbd

I make tons of WAs all the time

You meant mark as in deathstalker marks?

I'm not too familiar with my Rogue still is all

So like, what buff/debuff are we tracking

and you want it to highlight at X number of stacks?

Or are you specifically looking to be notified when Darkest Night is procced?

[lucid bear]

Just sent you a msg

[broken otter]

word

[lucid bear]

didn't wanna spam the channel too much

[worthy crag]

Does trickster still break cc all over the place with the aoe node it has

Also is coup de grace still longer than 1 sec?

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

Might have to level my monk that elite set pretty sick

[stoic spruce]

Love outlaw

Hate crackshot

Simple as

[near flower]

Gladius seems to be buggy on me, doesnt stay in place mostly before match it goes higher than what I set, and sometimes they 2 frames overlap each other. Any ideas to fix?

[potent pivot]

delete it and reinstall maybe

make sure you're using an updated version

there's like 5 different Gladius on Curse

[near flower]

Yeah first i used tww patch, then i tried bicmex then thats when it start to happen

[vocal ginkgo]

Update: getting 3-4 wins now since switching to sub and relying on shadowy duel to secure kills

[spring bough]

With max acro stacks and alacrity stacks and RTB haste buff at 55% haste 😂

[near flower]

You can also use duel on healer if you know your teammate can go for kill esp when youre with zugzug masters

[lucid bear]

For what it's worth, thank you so much @broken otter

[vocal ginkgo]

Great tip, thanks

[vagrant rock]

Little question for fun! In ass rogue in 1 on 1, do we use Crimson Tempest like rupture or not?

[potent pivot]

situational, but not typically

[vagrant rock]

ok thx! I try to figure out when i'm gonna use it! over envenom

[broken otter]

Here's the WA I made for GunZ, if anyone else was wanting it.
https://pastebin.com/bp522ebh

It shows target stacks of Deathstalker's Mark,
when you consume the final mark and proc Darkest Night,
the icon changes to Darkest Night with a countdown timer,
and starts to glow yellow,
when you have Darkest Night AND Symbols of Death is off CD,
the glow changes from yellow to pink

[graceful ravine]

anyone know the eta date of the next patch launch?

[potent pivot]

november

[outer sky]

Nov 5 i think

[spring bough]

Can’t come soon enough

[spring bough]

just had a 939k bte in twin peaks while smoking this MW flag carrier

eyes popped outta my head lol

[worthy crag]

might try trickster after patch

[spring bough]

i may have dropped ghostly for GSW tonight

and its fun

[fallen scaffold]

link not working, can i has?

[broken otter]

That's weird, maybe it was flagged by pastebin and auto-removed.

Here it is:

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Sorry for the giant block of text, chat

[lucid bear]

Thanks again @broken otter

[broken otter]

Np, man. :D

[lucid bear]

Bad mf

[graceful ravine]

is sub in the gutter after cdr nerf

[worthy crag]

depends on how rough it'll be to adapt to 30 sec kidney

and having defensives on full 2 min cd

looks like itll still have pretty threatening dmg and setup

itll be pretty great if kidney is reverted to 20 sec cd in light of dust removal

but in my dreams

[dull bridge]

cdew would raid blizzard hq if they did that

and it was changed to 30 seconds for all specs so in our dreams

feral gotta have the best stun in the game

[worthy crag]

tbh im indifferent at this point

sv is just more fun than rogue

[jolly sierra]

1k4 atm

guys help me why tf im just getting 0-6 healer matches in SS

bruh

[runic trench]

Because like you

They’re 1.4k

And are just learning

Healers have a greater burden in solo shuffle

There is only one of them per team

[pliant mauve]

Can I upgrade my algari ring or should I just buy a new one to replace honor mastery ring?

[potent pivot]

you can upgrade them with purple herladries

[pliant mauve]

still costs 3?

[runic trench]

Yes

[pliant mauve]

thanks

[hybrid sapphire]

it looks like miksscrolling isnt being updated anymore--does anyone know of an addon that'll tell me clearly when i gain/lose a buff? im mostly looking for a larger indication for when i lose or enter combat

[jolly sierra]

nah, that happens even at 2k rating

blizzard always matches like shit w healers

[rocky vale]

can someone explain to me the pros and cons of fatebound/DS for assa? I see a few rogues on shuffle run fatebound now

[runic trench]

If I wanted to play outlaw without gimping my sub rogue

And kept my gear Vers mast

How much do I lose as outlaw?

[graceful ravine]

do i get more conq in a 6-0 than a 3-3?

[potent pivot]

fate is less dmg/less defensive and rng

[rocky vale]

so why do ppl run it

😄

[potent pivot]

but you can use the double step or the snare talent vs like frost mage/hunter

[hybrid sapphire]

i run fatebound bc i dont have a think to play the gimmick it does it by itself

[potent pivot]

there's always going to be people who run non meta stuff

[potent pivot]

it's playable

[rocky vale]

yes

you get conq per win even in shuffle

is there merit to using DFA vs like a frostmage+devoker?

kinda feel like I lack mobility

[graceful ravine]

surprisingly long

[rocky vale]

it's morning

I saw the 30 min and said fuck it and just did skirmishes for weekly xd

[stoic spruce]

Been using into double casters like that

Anything with melee I find myself not really running it

[rocky vale]

yeah I'm basically thinking either DFA or disarm

most of the time

[daring ore]

How hard is sub to play in blitz?

[rocky vale]

Tbh its not hard you just need to know what your job is each bg

[daring ore]

Its seems so fun to play, but Im quite noob at wow in general 😄

[rocky vale]

But usually youll just be fucking with ppl to waste their time

Well sub is generally more complex than most dps specs

Cos its very reliant on burst windows and setup

But your job in blitz is mostly to cc and ninjacap or play foil/cc

[daring ore]

yee

[rough geyser]

What about assa in bgs?

[rocky vale]

Assa can do pmuch anything

You can go teamfight if needed or go ninja stuff etc.

Its just not the best at either.

Ultimately all 3 specs are insane at blitz cos rogue has a shitton of tools

[daring ore]

what spec is easiest?

[orchid plinth]

you can try my WA I use: https://pastebin.com/1a5xrM8K

It shows crossed swords when entering combat and a stealth icon when leaving

[hybrid sapphire]

Ty

[broken otter]

Don't want the WA, but I was following a hunch, because you used pastebin. I posted a pastebin WA, a few hours ago, and it was auto-removed from the pastebin site. It seems yours was as well.

[orchid plinth]

Oh well Circuit got it at least 😄

[broken otter]

Word. Haha.

[rocky vale]

To just play in a vacuum? Assa

[lusty heath]

how do you def a base in blitz against mage?

the best*

[hidden moth]

Wait for him to start capping, sap when he is about 2/4 seconds into cap wait for sap to fall and him to start capping again 2/4 seconds sap, wait, do that a 3rd time. Open with garrote silence, garrote again, kidney. Drop ur fatty bleeds on him. Get em hurting, slam a kidney. He blinks away u got steps u got cloaks you got evasion, vanishes if he starts winning you got blind. Get a re stealth. Let em try to cap sap sap sap

Bc when it comes down to it

U either try to kill him, or u try to stall and in most games ur stalling for it to cap over and be untouchable

If u need help while he sitting sap, type in chat “mage at dr need help” or sum

TLDR, do what u can to stall till it caps in ab or deepwind, kill that hoe in gilneas and eots

[lusty heath]

im sub

because i did like nearly the exact thing, besides letting him cap 50%

and i typed like 3 time "inc mage need help" but noonne moved and i cpuldnt stall him forever

[warped gate]

That’s just a crappy roll of the dice then, a bad team is a bad team.

At that point that’s on them for not sending reinforcements and not you.

[hidden moth]

Hey man idk sub fully I play ass, but all I can say is use ur kit, go for a re when sap gets of dr, use blind and stuns. Just gotta play ur kit to the fullest and say u did what u could

[lusty heath]

and then another enemy warlock came and i got flamed how i bad a rogue can be not beeing able to defend - but they were in a 2 man advantage at ww and not send reinforcement

what sucked IMO

[hidden moth]

So

1v2 don’t expect to win

U may be a rogue u may be goated but if u are in a bracket of equal skill you arnt winning a 1v2 unless they fumble or u have all cds and they don’t

1v2 best case u stall as long as possible

[warped gate]

Dudes will always deflect, blame, and just try not to take responsibility; you just gotta have a strong enough mental to not let it get to you.

[lusty heath]

yeah i guess so

[warped gate]

They’re mad and just want to have a reason they lost other than themselves, and that’s when the toxicity starts.

[lusty heath]

if i may ask about your opininon on another topic - at deeppwind when i see enemy team has no rogue i try to get the enemy outer base from them. most of the time im able to get it with a smokebomb/sap/blind

[hidden moth]

What he means is “git gud” jk

[lusty heath]

is this a bad tactic that wont work in higher elo?

[hidden moth]

Typically u won’t get their starter base before it caps in higher elo at start

If u spawn ally and go farm, u are very unlikely to rush cap then rush to quarry and get a cap

Also no rogue, doesn’t mean stealth. Druids mage invis stuff like that also the invis and movement buff between the two nodes

@warped gate thoughts?

[warped gate]

Solid, but he’s talking about that Deepwind BG with the moving carts.

[hidden moth]

What’s the other one called?

Lmao I can never remember

[karmic summit]

do we have spec rating in blitz?

[hidden moth]

I legit just call it “mop ab”

@karmic summit yes

[warped gate]

In Blitz, I dunno, anything goes. It’s on the enemy to realize there’s a rogue and not leave someone alone, but Blitz is a bunch of randoms so who knows.

[karmic summit]

i can change specs in game tho

[hidden moth]

Not mid march

[karmic summit]

how does that work?

[warped gate]

But I’m used to Rated BG’s and I got GM over a decade ago, I haven’t even broke a grand in Blitz yet so anything I gotta say doesn’t have much weight behind it.

[hidden moth]

U que as the spec u are currently, then in game u are locked to that spec but can change talent points.

I thought grand marshal was brought back bc of blitz ngl

[warped gate]

I’m not too big a fan of Blitz, tbh — I mostly stick to Shuffle for my PvP kick.

[warped gate]

Pretty sure it was, I’m just saying I got mine so long ago my title doesn’t hold the weight it used to have. I’m like that old retired guy at this point.

[hidden moth]

I like shuffle and 3v3 but when literally only one player out of na and eu combined is exactly 2300 in shuffle. For a week straight no cr gain In week 4 of season is very distasteful

Oh gotcha

Insert soldier 76 sombra vid “one of those hero’s arnt you”

I’m only like 1850 cr but am currently 28-10 win vs loss at 2500 mmr

[warped gate]

I feel that, my thing is I just recently rolled rogue, so I’m just playing for fun and improvement. Rating is cool and all, but I’m mostly just trying shit out to see what sticks, tbh.

I’m in that weird position where there’s a rough outline on how Outlaw plays, but no one really plays Outlaw so there’s room to try shit that no one really cared enough to try yet.

That and I know I got a lot of room to improve on it, so I’m just trying to get my core Rogue skillset down.

Took me quite a few games to get used to CC’ing the off-targets consistently since I came from a class that didn’t have too much CC.

[hidden moth]

Ngl, I picked up retail rogue a week ago

[lusty heath]

jesus i lost a cap because the delayed dmg of secret technique cancelled the cap after i blinded enemy rogue without trinket

that feels just really bad

[hidden moth]

I played a lot of it in tbc classic arena but not much since

Played a lot of disc in df

@lusty heath u got kidney?

[lusty heath]

you mean on him before on still free? hee on stun dr

[hidden moth]

If it was dr nvm if not

U could kidney cap blind cap and sap cap

Real cheeky if he wasn’t on flag 3second kidney bomb cap

[lusty heath]

yeah well it was a very hectic fight and it was a 2v2 but the crucial part is that i lost the base because i got the delayed dmg cancel my cap

but i dont think you can play around that

[hidden moth]

Secret tech is shadow dam?

[lusty heath]

physical

[hidden moth]

Nvm

[lusty heath]

just very bad luck i guess

[hidden moth]

Nah was gonna say if magic cloak then cap

U can also cloak cap mages and casters

Unless they wanna try to hit u with their melee wep lol

[lusty heath]

yeah but even then - would you just hold cloak for this tiny niche situation that could happen when you might need it later

[hidden moth]

Might need it later isn’t an option

Send it now to ensure a lead

Not later when u can’t come back

[lusty heath]

i mean in the next seconds to keep it capped

nvmd tho - its a theoretical situation anyway

[hidden moth]

Not saying save it to cap with

Just if see a play

Make the play

Be active not reactive

[warped gate]

Ahhh man, I hated defending against rogues.

Can’t be too close to the flag because you gonna get Sap capped.

Can’t trinket their metric fuckton of damage because if you do, you getting Blind capped.

[hidden moth]

I love

I love love love the 1 min auto trinket

[warped gate]

And if you trinket the Blind, they’re just gonna go Stealth, wait out DR’s and try again.

[hidden moth]

Bc I sap, it goes off I wait 20 and sap cap

[warped gate]

Oh yeah, I hit someone with a Sap and Gladiatoslos announces it and I’m like:

”.. Change of plans — looks like CC is back on the menu, bois! ”

[potent pivot]

You mean when you see others use it?

[hidden moth]

Exactly

Suprised to see sooo many people using that hot garbage

Is it just me or are hunters little cuties? I get em full bleeds, dotted death mark then they decide “I should turtle”

When the damage is done and they are only rotting 30% slower and unable to do damage

[warped gate]

You looking at them in turtle: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1fqtgue/golden_child/

[hidden moth]

On god

[severe hazel]

guys i am a bit confused. sometimes if i consume my darkest night buff i instantly get a new one. am i missing a talent that has a chance to refresh the buff?

[hidden moth]

How are u consuming it?

Details plz

[severe hazel]

evis with full CP

[hidden moth]

Hmmm that should reapply then 3 5+ point finishers then reapply.

U using echo rep?

[severe hazel]

yeah im hitting the dummy a bit now to see if i can reproduce reliably

no not using echo

[hidden moth]

Are you using shadow strike on a different target

[severe hazel]

yes on a new target

it happens while doing random stuff in the open world i think mostly

if one target dies the buff refreshes as i hit a new target

[hidden moth]

Yeah, it’s supposed to be applied via every ambush/ shadowstrike so if u shadow strike one guy and do it again the mark gets moved and is at 3 stacks to the most recent

[narrow tangle]

what we do without cdr

after 11.0.5

[severe hazel]

yeah but its not about the mark but the darkest night

[potent pivot]

darkest night or deathstalkers mark

[hidden moth]

Do what assass does

[severe hazel]

night @potent pivot

not happening on the single target dummy tho

[potent pivot]

well

whenever they made ER combo points work with darknest night/mark

it introduced a couple bugs i think

so that might be why

(it doesn't matter if you're using ER or not)

[narrow tangle]

it sounds awful :(

[severe hazel]

so many bugs in the game at the moment actually 😄

[potent pivot]

if you're consuming DN and getting it back for free

that's kind of a good thing no?

[hidden moth]

100% crit and 60% extra damage

[severe hazel]

it very much is @potent pivot

[last jasper]

It could be soothing. Cuz it has same icon. Small Indy company can’t afford an artist to make new spell icon

Or you simply didn’t use full cp

[gray jungle]

Lads its been a long time since i pvped but so far the base gear is doing the job. But is it worth making it into tier ?

[rocky vale]

oh you cant disarm bladestorm anymore

[rough geyser]

So what exactly do you do with shadowmeld apart from dodge

Do you do like macros for something like shadowmeld shadowstrike

[potent pivot]

meld->stealth

That’s really the only macro I’d recommend for it

[keen flicker]

Should I be using Slice and Dice?

[hidden moth]

Yes

[potent pivot]

[keen flicker]

Getting it up immediately?

[potent pivot]

Nah

For assa/sub you do it some time after your first opener

Outlaw puts it up before it even opens usually

[indigo hill]

Yup pop AR in stealth with a snd and a rtb and we gonna go bte prrrrrrrt

[keen flicker]

Ok tyvm

[indigo hill]

Feel like that could be a bar in a rap song.

[wintry dew]

Stopattack should also make it better

[hidden moth]

Yeah it’s like halfway in the opener when I got decent bleeds out I’ll pop a 1-2 pointer snd sometimes 3

Then just envenome to upkeep, excited for to get snd and not just extra time to an already active one

[potent pivot]

Ofc. I was just talking about the abilities in general

You wouldn’t really want to macro meld to anything but stealth imo

[wintry dew]

Oh yeah absolutely not

[hidden moth]

Maybe a stop attack in the same macro but nothing more

[wintry dew]

Btw trickz have you tried fury?

[potent pivot]

Not yet this season, I have in the past tho why wassup

[wintry dew]

Idk, to me it feels better to play now than it did during DF for some reason

Probably BCS of slayer

Playing fury 30 mins a day increases my testosterone rates

[potent pivot]

I’ve only smacked the target dummies on my lvl70 so far this season

[wintry dew]

(alt which I'm gearing thru delves)

[potent pivot]

It’s prolly my next char to level tho

[wintry dew]

Oh a tip

Do each delve once for the quest

[hidden moth]

Tricks thoughts on team fight, do I spread hella garrotes 5+ point ruptures and bleed everything for pad or do I try to st someone down

[wintry dew]

While leveling

[hidden moth]

Assume mix of both

Like prio target with cleave

[potent pivot]

Ye

[wintry dew]

If you can focus 1 target while the other ones rot

[potent pivot]

Big aoe until you see someone is dying

[wintry dew]

Healer will have an harder job

[potent pivot]

Then make that person die

[hidden moth]

10 stacks of wound poison+ shiv makes me smile

[potent pivot]

CC their healer as much as possible if one is around

It’s pretty easy to be top damage in almost every BG as assa

[potent pivot]

Yeah that’s kinda the plan since I assume those are also required for the Loremaster shit

I’ve barely been able to play this past week

[wintry dew]

Delves lore master probably

Too much work?

[potent pivot]

That and had no internet for a few days because of the hurricane

[wintry dew]

Oh fuck.
You're doing a great job man you'll catch up soon

[orchid plinth]

Shit, everything okay?

[potent pivot]

Yeah, where I live didn’t get hit that hard at all

But a couple other states had some towns get completely demolished

Think there were a million or more without power for a while which affected a lot of other infrastructure

[wintry dew]

Holy Jesus, I hope everyone gets the help they need

[orchid plinth]

Ugh I can't even imagine. I am from Sweden and we have like... snow.

[stoic spruce]

Why

[hidden moth]

Uh gov only giving out up to $750 for repairs and damages while these people have lost entire homes and some even their lives

Not to get political or anything

[potent pivot]

first time delves give bonus xp iirc

so doing all the delves/delve quests once per toon while leveling is good i think

[wintry dew]

It's like 4/5 levels

I've done it in 2 characters already

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nounsdao-abacus-counting-gif-16562575250327679873

[last jasper]

While spending billions. That’s fucked up

[spring bough]

Yeah and $10 billion to other countries the same day. Priorities

Gotta love our government. Citizens are second rate lmao

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-edna-no-politics-gif-25375116

[hidden moth]

rets piss me off, also why am i in a 2400 lobbie with 4 ass rogues and a lock and dk

[stoic spruce]

Sjutmup

Sprey

Sorry

Just woke up

[hidden moth]

both my heals are mid with dk spining and wondering why we are loosing off bases, to a ret and pres evoker fucking us up.

While our lock is sitting quarry'

[runic trench]

is there a good resource when playing outlaw

i wanna give it a good try

before i switch my gear from vers mast

[gray dune]

Is there a time during the day that is better to grind rating?

[gusty hedge]

try trickster with that vers/mast, silent slapper

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[runic trench]

@gusty hedge the regular build?

just as trickster instead of fate?

[vocal ginkgo]

Would you recommend sub or assa for bg blitz?

[shy sapphire]

at the end would we use both rings and neck crafted vers/mast? or do we need more verst? I am afraid crafting all I'll lose a lot of vers as sub

[worthy crag]

it is possible that alot of rogues are overindulging in all the mastery they can gain with the new pvp crafting system

we'll see later in the season I guess

[dapper chasm]

You fools - as an engineer I can dump stats around like no one's business

[worthy crag]

I kinda did think about it at one point, but rn it's not so important cuz we can evasion/cloak/vanish 15 times a match

we'll have to consider it more after shadowdust removal

[dapper chasm]

You fool - they are already dead

https://tenor.com/view/omaewamoushinderu-gif-21465007

[orchid plinth]

Trickster Outlaw in AWC

[dapper chasm]

Is Trickster higher damage? I avoid it because cleave

[surreal barn]

For outlaw yes

[dapper chasm]

No, I'm sub

(real man)

[lucid lark]

am i trippin, I thought there was a pin with a list of confirmed rogue bugs atm

[quaint cedar]

guys we got outlaw rep in AWC

Niksi putting in work

[orchid plinth]

2set Head and Shoulders with a Mix of Haste and Mastery

[quaint cedar]

Wasn't expecting trickster

[novel karma]

Greenskin

And blade rusb

That's one interesting talent build

[orchid plinth]

Ah they lost a match and they swapped to a real spec

[orchid plinth]

haha oops reverse sweep unlucky

[lost quest]

The real spec just lost them a match

[quaint cedar]

waaaait what Niksi was running no crackshot?

dude I thought that was just a meme

It actually works?

[lost quest]

He ran some strange azz build. Be when I saw the recap, his pistol shot hit hard

[grave basin]

sup bois

finally back to gamin

wife is out to her mothers house with the kids

im free

[spring bough]

I seen a few drop Ghostly for GSW

Tried it last night. Pistol was pumping

They are also dropping cto for blade rush which I don’t agree with lol

[lost quest]

I think Niksi dropped CS for GSW, which is little bit weird, cause there’s bigger synergy than with Ghostly Strike

[grave basin]

any1 play assa think it';s worth to get to 10% haste?

[lone anvil]

I have a question for you guys. How do I save my bartender UI that I make?

I just set a bartender UI for my druid, logged out, made one for my rogue. It took an hour total. Logged back on my druid and nothing had saved. So I went and checked my rogue and it hadn't saved either.....

Note: I just tested using the "create new profile" under profiles and saving it as a new profile, that isn't work either.

Do I have to set up my bars, UI and keybinds Everytime I log in with this app, I'm kind of confused

[quaint cedar]

yeah I feel like in a lot of cases CTO over blade rush is a better choice but I've been playing blade rush for so many years now that it feels weird for me to not have it

Dropping ghostly seems crazy to me too. Losing 15% damage amp for greenskins seems like a bad trade but idk maybe it isn't

I'm actually a bit excited, it has been a real long time since outlaw had any talent choices at all

I get comfortable with something and tend to stick to it, but if I see others coming up with cool builds I like trying them and can switch if it works for me

[vocal ginkgo]

Someday I’ll play at 20% of whaazz’s capacity

[gusty hedge]

@runic trench #pvp message

#pvp message

[indigo hill]

I'm running greenskin myself. Too much cc is being dumped on you right away for crackshot ime

[potent pivot]

Either

[potent pivot]

Make a profile

[lone anvil]

So theres an existing profile with my name and server (SpideySense Else Thalas) that seems to have everything saved, but I don't see a "save profile" button. When I hit my character profile it has all my edits and when I hit default it's wiped clean.

However when I log out and log back in that same character profile that had all my edits is now identical to the blank slate default.

I've already wasted 2 hours on this or id share screen. I really have to do other stuff today. Maybe next time we are both free

[potent pivot]

Idk literally all I do is log into an alt and click the profile and I’m done forever

[lone anvil]

I'll show you when I get back

[merry robin]

I've been trying to see if I could oneshot people with a macro in BGs and this was the best I could come up with, seems to work pretty well, I just open with Shadowstrike then spam mousewheel down

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea
/castsequence reset=combat Kidney Shot, Sepsis, Rupture, Shadowstrike, Secret Technique, Cheap Shot, Eviscerate, Cheap Shot, Eviscerate

[lyric onyx]

I’d remove rupture and just get that manually up before starting the macro if you’re trying for max damage

[orchid plinth]

Perhaps swap the ST and first Evis for more Danse stacks on the ST

[merry robin]

That's fair, didn't consider that

[worthy crag]

you dont ever want to macro thistle and dance together

Tea is 5 seconds so once you reach the final 3 seconds of your dance your finishers wont benefit

[orchid plinth]

If you are making "one button idgaf macro" you do

[worthy crag]

and ur wasting tea uptime on gcds spent on stunning

🤷‍♂️

[orchid plinth]

Tbf you can have it in the cast sequence to make it a bit better

[merry robin]

I can put it before the evis secret tech evis section

And yeah, it truly is a idgaf macro, just meant to piss off a couple guildies

Who say PvP is hard, was going to make a lil montage of one buttoning people

[timber dust]

My dots keep getting randomly purged off

by some classes, is there something that does this or am I tweaking

[merry robin]

dwarves

[orchid plinth]

Survival hunters and Evokers I think?

[timber dust]

I'm gonna

end myself

honestly

what am I exactly supposed to do if my dots keep getting cleansed by this SURVIVAL DWARF HUNTER every 3 seconds

[vocal ginkgo]

Interesting 🤣

[timber dust]

anyone knows why MM hunter runs like the wind 24/7?

[lone anvil]

Because they can 🥲

All their abilities are instant cast.

Id run like the wind on my warlock too but half my shit has casts

[timber dust]

He's outrunning me even though I've got creeping venom on him

https://tenor.com/bUlHq.gif

[timber dust]

warlock exists and I die tbh

[lone anvil]

Melee fucks me alot on warlock. But especially fucking DKs

My only GTFO button is a gate that has a minute cool down

Or a movement speed buff that takes health from me every second it's on

Nothing feels worse than using my warlock gate only to be gripped back to a DK immediately after

Pain 🥲

[timber dust]

what hthe fuck is DK

so I can get permaslowed for an entire game but my 90% doesn't do anything?

I'm about to start bladestorming 😭

[lone anvil]

Do it kitten, I believe in you.

[timber dust]

nahhh 😭

[worthy crag]

disarm first kidney, dispel bleed second kiney, rinse and repeat

flare your vanish

sounds like a fun time

[lone anvil]

Wait, why would you disarm before kidney as opposed to kidney -> disarm

[timber dust]

I lost it by a hairs breadth

they should've died like 4 times

over

[lone anvil]

I almost never see survival hunters lol and every time I do I'm always surprised

"why is this Hunter hitting me with his melee weapons"

[timber dust]

I have played 14 games today

[timber dust]

melee? you wish

these fuckers run in range

[lone anvil]

Isn't survival hunter melee

[timber dust]

it SHOULD be

they just run the fuck away and blast me from 3 miles away

[lone anvil]

Very confusing

I would politely ask blizzard what the fuck they are thinking

(respectfully)

[merry robin]

Do you guys stun in assass opener or just setup and save DR for death mark shiv kidney?

[timber dust]

Respectfully, is there a melee class other than rogue that needs a brain?

[lone anvil]

Guys I just finished Better Call Saul series finale last night. That show was SO FUCKING GOOD. I don't know what I'm going to watch next

[timber dust]

I just stun in the opener

to get pressure out

[lone anvil]

I don't know if I play Assassination right

[timber dust]

first KB isn't really going for a kill

[lone anvil]

I cheap shot. Throw some ambushes and garrotes. Hit a kidney and eventually a rupture

I usually wait until I have DoTs on 2-3 people in shuffle before using deathmark and going for a kill

One of our talents gives us 5% agility for every target effected by rupture

So assassination really iant going to kill someone from an opener in my experience.

[merry robin]

My opener recently has been Garrote, Cheap, Ambush, Rupture, Slice, Cheap

[lone anvil]

I always forget to slice

I know I should. But I just never remember RIP

[timber dust]

how am I supposed to hit someone

who is lagging and teleporting like they're in a killing spree

[lone anvil]

Dude there's an ability rogues have that's like a throwing knife

Maybe just play ranged rogue

[silver root]

Im having a lot lately

[timber dust]

it's very annoying trying to see where they actually are

when they teleport like fuck

[silver root]

I dont know if they make It on purpose on not lmao

Above 2.2 is a daily basis

[timber dust]

I don't know why am I having hard games in 1500

....

I'm losing to people going face, just going hard face

[silver root]

You only play Rogue?

[merry robin]

As what in what

[timber dust]

well I was playing mage but now it got gutted like 3 times so can't paly with a healer

[merry robin]

in 2s?

[timber dust]

no dmg on frost mage in 2s

[merry robin]

as what, sub or assa

[silver root]

We can climb if youre bored ngl

I only want a mage

[worthy crag]

Thats what I meant. I used first and second as in just alternating between the cds

[timber dust]

assa, I play with a holy

[timber dust]

playing with a friend right now, we can try sometime though

[silver root]

Im up anytime

[timber dust]

mage is fully geared, not socketmaxed though but that's for nerds

[silver root]

Lmao

All good

[timber dust]

They gotta stop nerfing ice lance though fr

They're removing ice lance play style in 10.0.5

[silver root]

I only want the mount, not enjoying the expac rogue at all so just fast glad and go

[timber dust]

it's like the most fun thing there is

the ice lance that is

ngl rogue is feeling clunky as hell

mage was feeling very nice week 1, did 1700 in SS day two to get 2pc

[silver root]

I vomit playing It everyday

[lone anvil]

If you're playing as assassination, you can be a sitting duck at times especially when you don't have defensive CDs

But usually the rogues who love cats play the best (in my experience) so I think you're going to do fine

[silver root]

But It is what It is i Guess..

[timber dust]

I love sub

but it does 0 dmg

and kinda iffy this expac

assa does good dmg but I feel like I can't stick to a target

[silver root]

I wonder how its gonna be without shadowdust lmao

[timber dust]

and sepsis

[worthy crag]

sub does more consistent dmg than it has in like, since legion

[silver root]

Lol

[worthy crag]

still low yes

[silver root]

Sub shouldnt be consistent at least in arenas but idk

Could be me

[timber dust]

Shadowlands season 1 sub FUCKED

that 100% crit rate ring was wild

[silver root]

I have to use vanish to actually hurt people now xd

And they add triple symbols of death

What a fun and amazing change

Let me do 10k damage backstab till I kill someone, or not cus they nerfed the passive healing too

[timber dust]

sub burst is kinda ass rn as well

does nothing even in burst window

[silver root]

Wait till they add the "automatic thistle tea"

[timber dust]

it's both a good and a bad thing

[lone anvil]

I don't think it's going to be that bad

I like to time my teas

[timber dust]

good ofr absolute noobs but might use tea when you dont want to

[silver root]

I think ive never used tea for energy on my whole PvP history

[lone anvil]

But having 1 less ability to hit saves a global

[silver root]

So kinda scared for thah

[lone anvil]

Why are you scared lol

Sounds like an upgrade for you KiBBuns

[lone anvil]

Are you saying your solo shuffle rounds are always over so quickly you don't run out of energy? Cause usually I start using my teas like 2-3 min into a round

Maybe you're just so efficient at killing people or so efficient at dying it doesn't last long for you

That's kind of remarkable

[silver root]

No need to create a discussion

[timber dust]

I feel like in SS assa has both massive dmg but I can't make any impact tbh

[silver root]

If you like It cool, I just think Rogue is not fun

[timber dust]

while on mage my impact is massive, I've yet to "lose" a match

[silver root]

At least not the fun i had in the last PvP years

[timber dust]

it's not that great

[lone anvil]

Huh?

I was just asking you about the duration of your matches. You started the discussion

You're being weird

[timber dust]

I honestly liked BFA assa more, although KB is nice

[silver root]

Just didnt want to bring It Into "skills" term

[lone anvil]

I wasn't calling you good or bad

I just wasn't understanding how you managed to not need the teas

[timber dust]

pooling, young padawan

[silver root]

Is fine is fine, all good, im just used to weird people lately and conversations are normally not great

[timber dust]

Fair game

[silver root]

Got It the wrong way

[lone anvil]

Yeah that's fair

I've only been back and met some really weird people since returning in my attempt to network and build community

[timber dust]

Y'all picking up the wrong people

[silver root]

But do you like the triple symbols?

[lone anvil]

I met a dude in shuffle who was a good healer. He added me, and later joined our discord and joined voice chat. And the first thing out of his mouth was complaining about how he just got out of some boring meeting that he's obligated to be at because he had a DUI he had last year

And I get it. Shit happens. Everyone has skeletons. I don't have a DUI but I've driven before when I shouldn't

But you would have to build a lot of trust with me to pull that out of me. That wouldn't be my icebreaker that I announce in our introduction lol

[lone anvil]

Triple symbols?

[silver root]

Theyre taking away shadowdust

To make 3 symbols of death

[lone anvil]

Is that a sub thing?

[silver root]

Ye

[lone anvil]

I played sub back in WOTLK but haven't since I came back

[silver root]

Oh I was talking about sub all the time

[lone anvil]

I tried outlaw, it wasn't for me, I've been rocking assassination

Oh my bad

[halcyon timber]

Like old sanguinary vein . I dig it on ptr

[lone anvil]

Yeah sorry lol. I don't play sub and I'm just starting to learn assassination. I shouldn't be anyone's guide to rogue ATM

And I ask questions cause I'm trying to soak it all in rn

[silver root]

Oh u meant teas in assa?

Dont know at all then haha

[lone anvil]

Yeah the thistle teas.

That give energy

Is that the tea that's becoming automated?

[silver root]

Ye

[lone anvil]

When you get below 50%

It auto procs

[halcyon timber]

Only if you drop below 30

[silver root]

They changed It to 30 cus everyone went insane on the forums

[lone anvil]

Oh gotcha

[halcyon timber]

Still can use when you want

[lone anvil]

Tbh 30 sounds better

I like that there's less global to use if you want

Sounds like a good change to me

[silver root]

But they need to add dmg somewhere then

[halcyon timber]

Supercharger just adds a charged pt to your next spender. Doesn’t work like old anima charged stuff from sl

[silver root]

We gonna have like 3 abilities left and still no damage

Less without shadowdust now

[indigo hill]

When the enemy team has a mw in wsg you're pretty much done for.

[lone anvil]

Bro that's what I was saying the other night

[halcyon timber]

Lost a few matches due to that bc the team sat around griping

[halcyon timber]

And double evokers pulling a titanic

[indigo hill]

That teleport is way too strong. They can just teleport from the tunnel up to the hill with dropping the flag. You'll never catch up.

I want shadowstep and grapple to work trough walls.

[halcyon timber]

That was a weird focus bug years ago that did that

[lone anvil]

I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't know I could shadow step teammates until a week ago

[halcyon timber]

That’s ok man no sweat

[indigo hill]

You can even shadowstep some friendly npcs

[halcyon timber]

Step to a random dog in the woods while kiting

[indigo hill]

Managed to cap the flag once by stepping an enemy shamans totem.

[lone anvil]

I also haven't been using distract, that can be used in PvP right

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[lone anvil]

I forgot it existed until I was going thru my skills again

[indigo hill]

Wish it was recorded. Felt very proud of myself. It was the winning flag and no one even noticed.

[halcyon timber]

Can distract a monk and make him roll the wrong way

If you time it really well

[lone anvil]

Cats

[halcyon timber]

Same w warrior on heroic leap

Lots of uses

[lone anvil]

I would love to watch some of you guys share screen sometime when you play so I can pick up on small tricks like that

I'm doing better and better but obviously a lot to learn on a class with the amount of util rogue has

Kinda of unlimited options

[silver root]

I can stream whenever

[lone anvil]

Hell yeah

[silver root]

Im lonely as shit anyways

[lone anvil]

I'll hit you up

[halcyon timber]

Thst sucks man , hope you’re ok

[lone anvil]

I gotta try and do some studying for an exam now. So I'll talk to you guys later

[halcyon timber]

Later man

[lone anvil]

Same guys

[halcyon timber]

It is funny when a warlock teleports a mw but its few and far between to see sick warlocks do that

(During a chi torpedo)

[lone anvil]

I have my rogue whos my main, my aff lock whos 80 but I'm still gearing, and then I have a 75 resto druid that I want to have maxed this week. So hopefully I'll be available to heal people to duo queue blitz or run 2s

I know rDruid isn't meta right now. I just love druids. And stealth is awesome for open world/ warmode

[indigo hill]

Outlaw getting buffed next reset.

4% all ability, 6% to dispatch.

[worthy crag]

feral gets a wrist tap

[lyric onyx]

Feral is nuts rn

I’ve been playing it as an alt people just don’t react to the damage

[indigo hill]

I think because people dont know what to do with it. Feral has been pretty much bottom of the barrel spec for a long time.

I was surprised as well with their damage.

Now i know so i can react to it. Was the same with MM hunters.

Now i just stay in stealth and wish my team mate the best of luck. 🤣

[lyric onyx]

They’re also very tanky

But if you can force them into bear it shuts down alot of damage I suppose

[worthy crag]

how do you react to it? I think I know but id like to know if im missing something

also hot take but meld on feral is much more powerful than meld on a rogue

stealth rake is insane

[halcyon timber]

Throw out some snacks and their bear instincts take over to enjoy a picnic

[lyric onyx]

True for sub but assassination meld is unmatched imo

[lyric onyx]

From playing feral only thing I think shuts me down is just CC early … or as rogue just evasion early

The damage starts slow so you think you’re safe then just ramps up insanely

So you just evasion when you’re “safe” and it never ramps

But obvs only evasion if they’ve used incarn.. match CDs

Another route is just to counter-go them.. especially as sub you can stun them on their go and dish out your own damage and force them into bear

[outer sky]

assa and outlaw buffs on reset

[vocal ginkgo]

Where can I see them?

[lyric onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-hero-talent-tree-tuning-and-preservation-347570

[vocal ginkgo]

Thanks!!

[quaint cedar]

lol they undid pretty much all the nerfs we got before

love it

outlaw gang rise up!

[lone anvil]

Why is this, I Play as orc rn and I know NE is meta. But just help me learn

Is it because of the free ambushes you get and the increased damage to garrote

Or is there more

And I always want to garrote first out of stealth right? And then cheap shot and ambush after

[gusty hedge]

ds needs ambush from stealth to apply mark no?
more chance to spread uncapped bleeds x sudden demise (meld)

[worthy crag]

meld is more big deal on sin cuz you get less access to stealth in general

via dance

which sin doesnt have

not anymore.

meld garrote for clutch silence

etc

[silver root]

Orc gang

[lone anvil]

If you don't get this reference I'm terribly sorry for posting this stupid image

My ADHD brain is unhinged rn

[vocal ginkgo]

Is sub cooked after the CDR removal?

[worthy crag]

Id say its more cooked in light of the old change that made kidney 30 sec cd

I said that was a huge deal and ppl didnt take me very seriously

Removal of cdr will mean we no longer have a workaround on that cd

Other than that, with the new symbol changes to supercharge finishers and blades going to 1.5 min cd and our consistent dmg being buffed SIGNIFICANTLY, we are pretty ok looking

[rough geyser]

Does assa have as much potential as sub?

[lone anvil]

This doesn't answer your question. Because AWC is different than ladder. But I thought it was cool that all 3 rogue specs were present at AWC last weekend. I think rogue is the only class with all specs represented

[worthy crag]

It needs to be said that sin's representation is most likely just piggybacking on affliction

I still think it is the weakest of the 3 in competitive play otherwise

[lone anvil]

Really? Damn

[worthy crag]

Eh, just my take

[lone anvil]

I like hearing opinions. I've only played Sin in shuffle and arenas this expac

[hidden moth]

Love me some meld stealth psuso vanish

[rough geyser]

So outlaw is better?

[worthy crag]

I do think outlaw is better competitively than sin yes

Sin is just too easy for tourney players to counter imo. It was okay last awc because they could make all efforts irrelevant with pure afflo dmg

But that is a far cry from saying outlaw is better in ladder than sin.. so yeah

[rough geyser]

What's the differencebetween ladder and tournament?

I mean if you get high in ladder you're gonna have people with at least some comms and knowledge how to counter sin right?

Just trying to find out what specI should start with once Iget my rogue up to speed.

I don't really care about how easy or difficult it is just wanna pick something that has a good chance andis fun

[topaz bobcat]

Outlaw buff too small

still won't be able to kill

[worthy crag]

The biggest diff is tourney allows people to get comps and specs and races that are fully geared

On ladder its the same players yeah, but they wont necessarily have a map choice or comp choice ready to go and just suck it up with a suboptimal matchup

[stoic spruce]

Awc are counter comps

You'll find comps that'd never work in ladder

[worthy crag]

Kinda like how F tier came up with a comp tailored to specifically kill a dk(mes) to knock out liquid

[stoic spruce]

Exactly

Only awc will you find a comp with gdruid, arcane, hpriest

There may be a reason to run it in awc, but def not ladder

[worthy crag]

And outlaw suffers (relatively) less from that than sin, hence better in tourney

[stoic spruce]

Hehe riiiiight ;)

#buffoutlaw

[vocal ginkgo]

Holy shit I just got so hyped

After winning 5 rounds in solo shuffle

Perfect cc on the heal and then shadowy duel insta kills

So sexy

[lavish flint]

Is it best to craft boots or head for sub?

[celest burrow]

I wonder if assassin will now do 4 set or still just 2 ?

[halcyon timber]

Sandler is awesome

[lone anvil]

What changed

[celest burrow]

They improved/fixed the tier set; it's on wowhead now.

[dull bridge]

where
my
pirates
at

[topaz bobcat]

why did they nerf outlaw just to buff it

[potent pivot]

Most people were already going for 4, don’t see that changing

The sp buffs make 0 sense

[celest burrow]

Which slots should we use you think head, chest, leggs shoulders ?

I sawa a lot using crafted head and some chest

[potent pivot]

Most people are going gloves and everything else, with engi helm

Even vers engi helm

[celest burrow]

Ok thanks that makes sense lol

[stoic spruce]

If I carry team fights, they should just give me the W

[hidden moth]

What’s so special about engi helm vs a crafted helm

Do we get to use the tinker socket in pvp

[potent pivot]

No

[hidden moth]

Then why engi helm and not just Alvari leather

[potent pivot]

Because engi helm has a large amount of 1 stat

[hidden moth]

Ah true so just toss mastery on it

Also rets pressing wings and ripping you out of stealth is so dumb

Bc of the line beam thing from their hero talents

[potent pivot]

Or vers

[lone anvil]

Engi helm meta for rogue?

Sub or Sin or both

[potent pivot]

Won’t really know for sure until everyone has the ability to use 4p

Pretty sure mastery goggles will be bis for sub, don’t know if vers will be bis for sin or not yet

[celest burrow]

Only made one mistake piece crafted then the gloves 😦 Oh well haha.

[lone anvil]

Anyone know if this is still in current game files/ if you can still link in game

[potent pivot]

In the end you’ll have tons of extra conq so it’s nbd

[celest burrow]

Right 🙂

[lone anvil]

I have found old links on WoW head from TBC and WOTLK but they're aren't working.

Maybe they finally nerfed ol' weak sauce right out the game

🥲

[last jasper]

Lmao. Blizzard is trolling poor mages 🤣

[spring bough]

Chat is this real??

Mages gonna melt with that talent 😂

[lone anvil]

Im working on UI stuff, do you guys think BIGger action bars and skills are better cause more visible, or smaller action bars and skills, so you can see more of the field around you

[potent pivot]

No one is gonna play fire with frost still being good

[potent pivot]

I’d put them at the bottom of the screen personally

[atomic adder]

Wooof did every single class other than rogue and evoker have direct PvP changes?

[lone anvil]

How come whenever you see pros or streamers its always mid screen? any strategic reason?

[potent pivot]

It’s almost always at the bottom for them too

A little bit up but not mid screen

[spring bough]

Ally camping ally at wpvp quests straight bums

Was smoking this unholy DK then he ran to his two healers 😂

Bro gripped me while I was killing mobs like he was gonna do something

[lavish flint]

Is using a faster wep offhand better as sub this expansion or does it not matter?

[jolly sierra]

XD

[waxen meteor]

looks like dh is getting some big buff?

both pve and pvp

[grave basin]

Only for AR which is extremely ass to play

Most are playing the other one (fel scarred)

On the other hand the assas tier set changes look kinda meh ? It already has 70%++ uptime

2pc atleast

Was it just not affecting envenom at all or what

[potent pivot]

Yeh I’d recommend dagger OH

[potent pivot]

It wasn’t affecting KB or envenom as far as I know

[grave basin]

That's a pretty big buff then

kB still needs quite a bit more to match it's DF oomph

But 1.3m envenoms are nice

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it’ll ever match that again

They seem pretty wary of letting the initial hit do too much

[grave basin]

Im glad they shifted it out to envenom.atleast

Feels smoother

[jolly sierra]

we will tho

in end xp with 100% mastery

[broken otter]

I see most ppl are taking hemotoxin in rbgs as sin, does that mean they're running Deadly Poison over Wound Poison?

[jolly sierra]

no

rogs takes hemotoxin in assa in most situations w wound

[broken otter]

word ty

what does wound reduce healing by %-wise at max stacks and what are max stacks?

7 stacks or 5?

I have the +2 stacks talent picked

5 stacks for 20% reduction sound right? (Including the +2 stacks talent)

[potent pivot]

that doesn't matter very much because health pools will also keep getting higher

[jolly sierra]

it did for df after nerf tho

[jolly sierra]

y

[broken otter]

ty

[lavish flint]

Ty bro, is it because of poison procs or hero talents or something? I tried a faster oh and it feels like higher dps but not sure if placebo or not lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah but kb was nerfed more because they didn’t want it doing that much

[jolly sierra]

shadow techniques

[jolly sierra]

they didnt wanted to make it a me win button it seems

[potent pivot]

Shadow tech mostly but poison procs as well, those are just less important

[lavish flint]

Aaah tyvm! Makes sense 100% with shadow tech

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

x

d

[lavish flint]

❤️

[pliant mauve]

Noob question: does disarm do shit against enhance? Went to 1900 without seeing one and got my cheeks clapped.

[jolly sierra]

it stops doomwind tho

[halcyon timber]

Doomwinds is a big ass aoe whirlwind pulsing buff in the patch. Don’t think it reqs a weapon then.

Stops stormstrike and maybe windstrike during ascendance (ranged atk dunno though)

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot with this low secondary stat (low vers), do we even need to craft rings/neck?

i feel we can go with conquest to reach 30% vers first anyway?

[potent pivot]

conq neck or 1 conq ring maybe

[waxen meteor]

PBLY

when in pvp vers is only 24%

[potent pivot]

that's why some assa have crafted vers engi goggles

[waxen meteor]

yeah

i didn't realize secondary stats are so low this season

poeple like nahj has two socket on rings because they are jwlery right?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[vestal cape]

is the elemental focusing lens embellishment a decent substitute for ascendence?

not sure how all the embellishments stack up for sub

[potent pivot]

wouldn't use ascendance either tbh

for sub i'd stick with 2x duskthread

[vestal cape]

even if i make the elemental focusing lens shadow based dmg?

[potent pivot]

lens seems okay for sin/outlaw but still prefer duskthreads for sin personally too

[potent pivot]

ya

[vestal cape]

alright thanks ill keep that in mind; ive seen a pretty big split on the leaderboards so hard to tell

[potent pivot]

everyone's testing different stuff still, all embellishments are like +2% damage so not many are "better" than others

the vers from duskthread at least gives a little dmg reduction in addition to the 2% damage

[vestal cape]

yea thats what i kinda figured; i know its minimal change overall just thought it there was any outliar embellishment to be aware of

so y!

ty*

[potent pivot]

the ascendance one imo is pretty trash compared to what people make it out to be

takes 80 seconds to fully stack and dropping combat resets stacks

even fully stacked it's barely better than duskthread

[vestal cape]

yeah i was thinkin same thing; for a class centered around breaks in combat, i didnt really see the value in ascendance

im basically being greedy and didnt want to craft my weps yet

so its good to know

[graceful ravine]

outlaw buffs 😮

[runic trench]

ive started winning games by just not doing dps and just focusing 90% of my energy on cc

this feels rather lame

[worthy crag]

well dps doesnt matter for sub

burst does, but that's only a part of dps

[merry robin]

I don't quite understand the people running fatebound for assa in PvP. Half their hero talents only benefit crits, but people are running as close to 0 crit as possible

[potent pivot]

Fatebound coin does okay damage

It’s mostly only played for the double step/snare reduction choice node vs frost mage etc

[merry robin]

I see the top couple Blitz rogues running it

One of them with cold blood, the other with the standard stuff

[potent pivot]

Yeah idk some blitz players pick weird shit

[merry robin]

I suppose. Just odd because they're the top, y'know?

[potent pivot]

They’d be the top regardless of their talent choice

[worthy crag]

when ur trying to see what people are running in pvp, blitz build should be like the last thing you look at