pvp

[potent pivot]

Venruki even made a video kinda complaining about it

[hidden moth]

so did thewy and other creators

[potent pivot]

It’s the most played bracket but has the lowest inflation

[hidden moth]

meanwhile there is 8+ people 2800+ in blitz

lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah blitz rating is broken

Like they forgot to cap it at all

[hidden moth]

people who are top bracket blitz made 2nd toon of same class and are hard stuck in mmr hell as well lol

dont think they forgot

they just want more people in the new thing

[safe pelican]

This imo

[potent pivot]

You don’t really have a “burst” rotation. You just open and spread bleeds as much as possible. Cheap shot-gar-gar-rupture-ambush, or gar-gar-rupt-ambush etc

[safe pelican]

+CT 😉

[potent pivot]

You don’t CT every opener

[safe pelican]

Lol I’m just trollin Trickz cuz I know you’re gunna hit me with something tech 😂

🤞

[merry robin]

ah brutal, in open world / battlegrounds it happens so often since rupture cleaves

[potent pivot]

Yeah you just have to be aware of it

I’ve been reporting that bug for weeks

[merry robin]

And going trickster doesn't seem very worth, idk

[potent pivot]

trickster's cleave breaks cc as well

[hidden moth]

ct?

[waxen meteor]

the aoe finisher

[hidden moth]

oh ye

[waxen meteor]

i do always try to add in open a second cs on main, and a cs on healer when possible

[jolly sierra]

even with playing at like 2k4 MMR in last season

i was dropped to 1500 MMR the first time

i was wondering why

[vocal ginkgo]

Thanks! Are you enjoying sub or sin more right now?

[waxen meteor]

it's a complete reset for new expansion isn't it

[hidden moth]

why cheap gar gar isnt that overlaping too much

vs cheap ambush gar, rup gar

[waxen meteor]

i think the second gar goes on other target

[hidden moth]

y though bc it hits 3 people anyways

[waxen meteor]

and also the open on caster and physical specs are a lot diff

[waxen meteor]

if everytime all 3 standards together we are really OP lol

each reset means a full cc for everyone for like 10 sec

with complete aoe dmg

reality is more common scenario is they sit in a triangle

double melee is less common in 3s over solo

tbh i think we are really good to go on healer in melee blend lobby

[potent pivot]

naw

[potent pivot]

wdym overlapping too much

you want to get bleeds up asap

[waxen meteor]

for example why do you add a second gar after first gar next global

[potent pivot]

ambush can be done anytime during Subterfuge

[waxen meteor]

on same target

[potent pivot]

for a longer duration Improved Garrote

[waxen meteor]

you mean 1 second longer?

i don't see a big value there

[potent pivot]

no

it adds the pandemic length

[waxen meteor]

it does?

for how long i wasn't aware of that

[potent pivot]

yes lol

pandemic is 30% duration

[hidden moth]

i meant like if he is silenced for 3 seconds why silence again when it wont increase duration

[potent pivot]

you aren't really as worried about the second silence compared to the dmg

[orchid plinth]

Garrote deals a great deal of damage. Doing a second garrote will increase the duration of the DoT due to "pandemic".

[potent pivot]

unless specifically opening on a caster or something

[hidden moth]

yeah, i just figured, if cheap gar, ambush gar u still get pandemic affect and the 2nd silence

[merry robin]

With the removal of invigorating shadowdust on beta, what's the point of multiple charges of symbols?

[potent pivot]

one global isn't going to change much

[merry robin]

Just kinda confused what their direction is

[potent pivot]

if you're using cheap the silence barely matters

[hidden moth]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

wdym

[hidden moth]

prob bc the dust also reduced cd on shadowblades and dance

and everything else lol

[potent pivot]

you'll have symbols for the first 3 dances now

they kinda had to add something to replace Dust in the tree

can't just delete a node entirely

[hidden moth]

also as a newer sub player i hated feeling like i was wawsting dam by holding symbols for a few seconds vs sending on cd

bc of mechs or uptime stuff etc. and now its not as bad with them having charges

[keen dune]

yo when I buy gems for pvp gear does it have to be level 3?

[hidden moth]

yes

quality matters on the stats the gem gives yes. do u have to have t3 no

[merry robin]

Multiple symbols just seems bad though, maybe 1 extra charge lets you double dip for shadow blades windows but outside of that I just dont get it

It doesn't even seem to come remotely close in value to invig dust

[hidden moth]

bc dust was op

[merry robin]

Sure, yes, but what we're getting in return is like a kick in the nuts?

For PvE and PvP

[potent pivot]

they're removing it for a reason

[worthy crag]

Yeah the extra sod doesnt make much sense

Im pretty sure the single target pve rotation already gets more symbols than dance rn

like they mix in a no-dance symbols every 90 seconds or so

and giving more sod kinda doesnt do anything in pvp unless you wanna double dance in the same dr window

or i guess if you wanna invest a second dance as a hard swap

But thats way too situational to be a final tier talent

shrug

[merry robin]

Yeah, maybe pvp isn't the right place to ask about that, since it's really too strong there, I guess more-so for PvE sub seems to be getting shafted

And the spec was already not amazing in PvE

[hidden moth]

arnt u getting free feint and snd now though

[surreal barn]

Good

[worthy crag]

its like the devs think the reason we press symbols as rarely (or as often) as we do now is cuz of its cooldown.. except we do it this way cuz there are other amplifiers and DRs to consider

[merry robin]

Having one extra charge is nice, having 2 is almost completely useless

[hidden moth]

Anyone able to explain why im 11-4 in blitz and am 1541 but am still in 1400 mmr matches

[worthy crag]

it feels better if we can get it and shadowcraft together, but its a complete meme to give up dark brew or danse to affort the points

[merry robin]

Idk, I would've prefered some sort of CD reduction on shadowblades CD so at least they can be a 1 min 30 class like they are now

without some convoluted way of getting there

[potent pivot]

you're probably still in placement games lol

[hidden moth]

Get me out of hereeee

[worthy crag]

tldr: just reroll feral

[runic trench]

im just so bad at sub rogue its not even funny

i should just go outlaw

[solar bronze]

That’s how I felt with assassin

Even tho it’s should be simple I find sub easier

[hidden moth]

ass is melee aff lock

change my mind

[waxen meteor]

does feral just use a lot less clone now?

i see them zugging like hell now

[merry robin]

It doesnt get kicked on shadow every 2nd global

[runic trench]

im just not good at doing cc

[merry robin]

Most of rogue's strength is the cc though, for almost every spec

[surreal barn]

They don’t need it to fuck you up anymore

But they should still be cloning

[hidden moth]

clone off target+ heal;

clone kill target if healer pops big cds or defensives and they are low

12-4 still 1300 mmr blitz reeeeeeeee

[rocky vale]

is it worth going kingsbane vs vs double range?

[potent pivot]

It can be yeah

[vocal ginkgo]

Should I be using cold blood for sin?

[molten hedge]

What’s your thoughts on fatebound? I see some ppl playing CB or ER with it. I see the extra step as being beneficial into frost mage and dev evoker or double wiz lobbies with lots of mobility. Thoughts?

[solar sundial]

Damn I just made 2x gemmed and enchanted algari signet and now Lens embellishment is the play 😦

[surreal barn]

Is it though

[severe hazel]

play w/e bro

[surreal barn]

They were in org 3s

[solar sundial]

Fair

I'm seeing a lot of conflicting info anyway

rn i have Chaos mnine + Duskthread but I have room to create crafted wep + boots so i can change it up..idk what tho

[potent pivot]

embellishments barely matter at all

[solar sundial]

yeah my chaos mines do 3% of dmg if it even pops

[potent pivot]

i don't think any of them are 100% lock ins

duskthread has been the safest choice because vers gives dmg and DR

[potent pivot]

i can see the argument for it vs frost mage n shit but so far i haven't preferred it personally

[molten hedge]

It’s just really really hard to trade mobility with anyone other than the mage to get any bleeds up and then throwing in another caster it seems impossible. But I’m a noob rogue so don’t know much haha. Got any strategies?

[potent pivot]

you can use it when running KB

it's not a 100% requirement but can be good at those times

[potent pivot]

just depends

[indigo hill]

Fing hell. Im losing so much rating in Blitz...

[potent pivot]

if you're playing voiced 3s i don't think it's as necessary

[molten hedge]

In shuffle

[potent pivot]

just play both and see what serves you better personally

[molten hedge]

I thought coldblood and echoing rep weren’t really worth anymore? I just started playing rogue last week but that’s just what I heard that maybe the move used to be CB/KB

[potent pivot]

as fatebound you can use CB, Inevitability and ER all for envenoms

[dapper chasm]

Cold Blood is a signature ability, there is pretty much not a time it will be bad

(as long as it stays free and off the GCD)

[potent pivot]

it has been bad though, compared to other choices

[dapper chasm]

A single button press can equal a kill - compare it to other damage increases such as danse macabre and you realise it's insane

[potent pivot]

can't necessarily say "it's trash", just worse than other options

[dapper chasm]

I think it's great, just missed by a bit this time around

[potent pivot]

if you don't have a big damage spell to use it with

like sub can use it with sectech, but tech isn't the big dmg button this expansion

assa can use it with KB or envenom, neither of which hit super hard

[solar sundial]

wats kb

[potent pivot]

trickster outlaw can use it on KS, but no one runs trickster really and KS isn't huge

[potent pivot]

kingsbane

[wheat crest]

Someone have tips for me in how to play Rogues Sub in RBG? Because my core group are hating me because I always end with the worst total dmg and total CC of the party... So maybe i'm a doing something wrong

I'm following this build: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-guide

[potent pivot]

your damage is never going to be super high

[plucky sage]

I crafted boots + gloves.. but now I check murlok.io and I wonder if I messed up.. My reasoning was that out of all the tier pieces, it is the one with the lowest prio secondaries

[potent pivot]

you should be playing objectives on most maps

[plucky sage]

but seems a lot of people crafted helm instead.

[potent pivot]

like ninja capping bases

etc

[dapper chasm]

Not as high as the DK in shuffle who's father was killed by CC and has sworn to break every CC he sees for the rest of his life

[plucky sage]

dmg who cares, but more cc for sure. spinning people out of cap and vanishing, blind, sap, gouge, stall stall stall

[potent pivot]

it's not going to matter in the end, you'll just fix it a week after everyone else has "bis"

[plucky sage]

:/ so you're saying I fucked up

[potent pivot]

it doesn't really matter

[plucky sage]

yes but what is BiS

[potent pivot]

it's not going to affect if you win or lose games

[plucky sage]

tbh I am not too fussed I agree it doesn't matter but just curious of the logic

thought my logic was bullet proof

[plucky sage]

amen brother

[potent pivot]

if running 4set helm/gloves is going to boil down to personal preference

whether or not you want engi goggles and tier gloves or vice versa

it's all kinda w/e

[plucky sage]

I see. In the Ka'reshi set gloves is crit/haste, but helm and wrists have mastery and vers respectively

ah I see

ok well I got double duskthread so should be fine mostly

[dapper chasm]

You can use 2 of the same embelishment?

[plucky sage]

never been below 80% health this xpac anyway so 💅

[dapper chasm]

I've been using duskthread and the ring dps one

[plucky sage]

wait you can't??!

in DF oyu could

ajfjaalalskvklaljkasjlk FUCK

[dapper chasm]

Dunno, in DF I used the boot CC one and the mastery one

[potent pivot]

yes, you can...

[plucky sage]

yes, I can

EFF YOU Zanaken

my pacemaker alarm went crazy

jk jk

<3

[dapper chasm]

Lay off the coffee

[potent pivot]

lay off my death knight

[dapper chasm]

Doing 20% to the non-kill target aint winning us shit

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/egirl-wow-egirl-wow-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-1304539295207055861

[dapper chasm]

Go suck on a Nightwish album

[indigo hill]

Is there a way to prevent ending up on Horde in Blitz?

[plucky sage]

doubt it

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot I know embellishments also won’t make me suddenly win but what’s the best embellishments for assa? Again I mostly play shuffle and may do other arena and some BGs

[potent pivot]

imo duskthread is the safest option

some people have started going Ascendance but i still think it's trash

Lens isn't terrible

[molten hedge]

What’s duskthread do

Haven’t seen it

[potent pivot]

gives vers

it's like blue silken lining from DF, but gives vers above 80% hp

[molten hedge]

Oh the double vers one? How do I go about getting that one? Is it on any crafted pieces? I didn’t see it when I tried to recraft my rings

[potent pivot]

it's only on crafted leather pieces

[molten hedge]

Ah ok so not wep. Wow so I need 2 crafted leather pieces?

[potent pivot]

those should've been your first crafts yeah

crafted boots/bracers will be bis

at least 1 crafted ring will also be bis

[molten hedge]

Well boat has sailed on that. I have 1125 conquest and my only green pieces are helm and trinkets

[potent pivot]

are you using a bunch of wpvp stuff or something

[molten hedge]

Prob ya let me link armory

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/the-forgotten-coast/minervae

[potent pivot]

yeah you're using wpvp boots/bracers

[molten hedge]

So you would craft one of those with embellishment before getting 639 trinkets or helm?

[potent pivot]

idk you've kinda started gearing opposite from what you should've imo

[fierce kindle]

yo assa player returning since a long time, is crimson tempest as important as rupture/garrot to maintain or do i just press it if i hit everything in a 3v3?

[potent pivot]

are you not using any embellishments at all?

[molten hedge]

Ya I turned the wrong pieces set I think

[molten hedge]

Not yet just gems and enchants

[potent pivot]

your set pieces are fine

[molten hedge]

And 2500 achieve weps

[potent pivot]

pretty much

we use CT on 2 or more, sometimes 1 target in certain scenarios

[fierce kindle]

Alright thanks!

[potent pivot]

some of those sockets/enchants are going to have been a waste >_<

[molten hedge]

That’s ok I have gold. Bought 4 wow coins bc I won $80 at a company event 💀

Can u help me? You’ve already helped a lot and I m thankful for that. But what can I do to course correct

[potent pivot]

the sockets on your belt/bracers are going to be lost

[molten hedge]

That’s ok I have more jeweler things in my bags

[potent pivot]

because in the end we'll use crafted bracers and belt too prob

[potent pivot]

if i was you right now, i'd probably craft goggles

what are your stat %s in pvp combat

can take a screenshot of your stats while hitting pvp dummy

[molten hedge]

I will!

[potent pivot]

depending on your stats will decide what goggles you want

[molten hedge]

Ok checking now

Glad I saved my conquest from last week lol I have enough to get 6 heraldries

@potent pivot

thats on a pvp dummy

[potent pivot]

yeah i'd prolly craft vers goggles if i were you

pretty sure you can have them recrafted into mastery later on if you have enough vers from gear after getting closer to bis

[waxen meteor]

you keep the haste badge

[potent pivot]

you kinda want insignia

so it's w/e

they don't btw

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot these? So I will only have vers on them and no mastery or other secondary?

[potent pivot]

ye

[molten hedge]

Just curious why? Just to make me less squishy paired with the embellishment?

And I know vers gives more dmg too but idk if it’s more than mast

[potent pivot]

ye

your vers is kinda low

[molten hedge]

I’m new to rogue too so more durability sounds rly nice

[potent pivot]

it isn't more than mast but it doesn't really matter

assa is the squishier spec

[molten hedge]

How do I put embellishment on helm? Or I can’t?

[potent pivot]

don't think you can embellish the helm

[molten hedge]

Ok so your thinking is having vers all the time is better than an embellish with vers above 80%

[potent pivot]

you could recraft rings to put Lens on them, but if you're going to switch to Duskthread later than you'd have to recraft them again to remove it

[potent pivot]

really i think both are good, your vers is just kinda low

[molten hedge]

I may do that!

Man thanks for all your help it’s sooo appreciated. Are you a goat or just rogue main forever?

[potent pivot]

idk i've always mained rogue

[worthy crag]

monks cant karma while disarmed?

[outer sky]

oh yeah the conq ones dont. Honor ones do for some reason. Weird

[potent pivot]

i think it's always been that way but idr

[vocal ginkgo]

When is the “best” time to use deathmark in my pvp rotation? Or in which situation I guess @potent pivot

Am I supposed to use it during my opener?

[potent pivot]

not typically in your very first opener

it's a pretty shit cooldown but kinda just whenever you want a little added pressure

[vocal ginkgo]

Yeah so maybe just a little extra pressure in order to force defensives or a possible kill

Makes sense, thanks!

[spring bough]

Rogue still fun asf after a week off lol

[rocky vale]

went up to 1750 no problem in 2 weeks, and now I'm getting destroyed and back to 1550 wtf is happening

(shuffle)

[spring bough]

Yeah that can happen. I’ve been there before. I try to make myself walk away if I lose two or three in a row and try the next day

[molten hedge]

Similar thing happened to me. I was 1850 or so and dropped a lot. It’s how the system finds out how good you are. You get matched against better players and if you lose you go down in rating. So realistically where you’re at now if you’re around a .500 W/L is where you’re at in terms of skill on that class unless it was just bad lobbies. If that’s the case you’ll rise up! If not just needa practice I guess. Don’t feel bad bc the top shuffle ppl are like 2.2-2.4K I think the rating is messed up. Hopefully I explained that all correctly if anyone can critique

[vocal ginkgo]

Am I supposed to run hemotoxin and wound poison at the same time?

[spring bough]

First solo back popped off 5 killing spree round one for a total of 7.05 million. Sheeesh 😂

[potent pivot]

most of the time ye

[vocal ginkgo]

How about deadly poison scenarios? Are there any

[waxen meteor]

when you got teammate with reliable MS

[potent pivot]

not really

not many other MS are as good as ours

for spreading etc

[waxen meteor]

in none cleave games with war/hunter sometimes it's okay

but in scenarios when it's heavy cleave, we add MS to all 3

[potent pivot]

so far this expansion i haven't felt the need to swap off wound ever

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[potent pivot]

Personally I swap off hemo in some cases

Where I want disarm+veil

[waxen meteor]

my default is bomb, disarm, control is king

swap disarm out when it's not needed to hemo

i kinda really like control is king now

[dapper chasm]

I never use disarm, which is weird as it was a staple for me in cata

The cloak talent is just so good in so many cases

(including cloaking a disarm)

[potent pivot]

I never use control is king

[waxen meteor]

I like it a lot nowadays

[dapper chasm]

Isn't Thick as Thieves also not hella good?

[waxen meteor]

isn't that sub only

[dapper chasm]

Baby

I am sub only

[potent pivot]

Idk we only have to press slice once really so it seems unnecessary to me

[waxen meteor]

yeah but when we talk about hemo

50 energey per kidney is also good

[potent pivot]

Nope

[waxen meteor]

oh shoot my english

[potent pivot]

A lot of assa players run it as well

[waxen meteor]

i was that the -CD for dmg one

[potent pivot]

That thief’s bargain

[dapper chasm]

So is disarm a staple now? Because to me, the classes it fucks get fucked harder with mega-cloak

[waxen meteor]

disarm is needed against war/rogue/mm i think

for all others probably not that needed

[hidden moth]

ngl, i feel like i have to reup it alot

also im cranking damage but idk how to stay up when its an ele and sv hunter kiling me and the sv is playing like a caster

[dapper chasm]

I dunno, using rogue as an example, I can absorb their CDs and then cloak it off, whereas disarm will only CC them to delay

Assuming they're assassination

[tribal badger]

i mean sin is the only rogue spec u can cloak off their cds right

outlaw and sub dont really care

yea

outlaw and sub also do their peak damage in a 6-8s window u can track so disarm can be quite potent

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, but if the sub rogue is using the cloak, he can remove the disarm

Where my cloak will always be useful

[tribal badger]

only if the sub is running disarm and not cloak tho

if ur both running big cloak its not even really better then regular cloak

vs each other anyway

[worthy crag]

you can cloak their disarm every 2 min, they can disarm you every 45 sec so theres the math

minus shadowdust ofc

[tribal badger]

they can disarm u every other go

[dapper chasm]

If we're both running big cloak, we'll still get use out of it - removing bleeds for restealth etc

[waxen meteor]

nuh i think sub cares a lot

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, that's the only positive I can think of

[waxen meteor]

shadow blade, kidney -> disarmed

hell

[tribal badger]

about big cloak?

i was talking about big cloak

[dapper chasm]

Still 8 minutes of shadowblade buff up

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah i mean sub hates being disarmed

[tribal badger]

i mean shadowblades is not super scary outside dance

[waxen meteor]

but yeah normally don;t use big cloak

[tribal badger]

u can disarm one dance kidney another

u can only cloak one disarm every 2m

they both have merrits

disarms just up so frequently tho

and can be used to save ur allies as well

ur probably not using big cloak to save an ally very often

[dapper chasm]

Well, as the guy who played without disarm for the last season of DF and up till now - I'm loving it

[tribal badger]

i mean big cloak was also just an evasion last expac so that was a pretty big deal

losing its evasion component was a pretty big nerf

[dapper chasm]

I feel I have plenty enough peels, and it's easier to kite melee now anyway

[vocal ginkgo]

I’m currently trying out both sub and sin

Like them both

Definitely prefer sin for solo shuffle for now since apparently the people I play with can’t grasp the concept of diminishing returns

[dapper chasm]

It's not just me then

People particularly shit on the blind dr

[vocal ginkgo]

They fuck up our CCs and then complain that our dmg is low too 🤣

[dapper chasm]

I've not had a complaint yet, but I've heard some crackhead takes between rounds

Sometimes it's just another game where a healer goes 6-0, but they still feel the need to call out what the shaman did 3 rounds ago

[worthy crag]

I dont think theres a world where big cloak is more valuable in disarm in a sub mirror

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[worthy crag]

unless you are in some double dps situation where you really need a clean stealth

[dapper chasm]

Well, I'll give you that stealths normally only last as long as dot ticks a lot of the time

Usually when you've just blasted some CDs and wana refresh them, or to get a shadowstrike teleport

But I really think the mega-cloak shines during those times you don't have trink

Plus it shits on assa and feral

and DK

Plus warriors too - it's also really good for BGs

[molten hedge]

are DKs dots physical? i know it gets bleeds offf

[tribal badger]

normal cloak removes em

the only real physical dots are bleeds and some weird stuff like kingsbane (but cloak wont remove that)

think dh has some fel dots which count as physical since its all schools

[dapper chasm]

that line was meant to be deleted

I will keep it for historical purposes

[hidden moth]

thoughts on sanguine stratagem vs flying daggers

[potent pivot]

kind of a toss up but strat is better imo

[hidden moth]

do i get even more from 7 vs just 6 combos

and or does it affect eternal bleeding

[potent pivot]

internal?

[hidden moth]

that ye

[potent pivot]

why would it only affect internal bleeding

[hidden moth]

no no

im asking if the 7th affects bc wow head only said 6

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=154904/internal-bleeding#comments

[potent pivot]

7cp affects everything

idk about internal bleeding specifically

kidney only uses a certain amount of max cp anyway

[lavish flint]

Duskthread lining or ele focusing lens for embellishments?

[hidden moth]

inteernal is applied with rupture 2

[potent pivot]

duskthread is good, lens is ok for outlaw dunno about better though

[potent pivot]

i know

[lavish flint]

I saw Pikaboo is using ele x2

[potent pivot]

strat is +5% finisher damage

and longer bleed duration/envenom dmg is you use 7cp on a finisher

[potent pivot]

pretty sure they've all been trying every embellishment

they're all trash

[lavish flint]

I run ele on my hunter, the extra dmg can be good. Idk if the extra vers on dusk is as impactful?

[potent pivot]

it is

[lavish flint]

Hahah ye true

[molten hedge]

I got my ele lens it was like 3-6% of damage in some 3s skirms so not bad but also not good lol

[lavish flint]

3-6 % is pretty good, did u get one or two? I got one might get another one

[spring bough]

finally crested over 2k in solo

time to call it a night lol

[lyric onyx]

Let’s go huge

Defias in good hands

[hidden moth]

So anyreason i die in bgblitz, then spawn in combat?

after a 15 second res timer

[ocean thunder]

I think spike can persist if your opponent never left combat?

[hidden moth]

interesting, and for blitz its just veil or dismantle for the 3rd pvp talent choice, nothing special with system shock or maneuverability

[potent pivot]

singular focus

[hidden moth]

whats that

[potent pivot]

hero talent

[molten hedge]

2

[hidden moth]

ah i see

[potent pivot]

They didn’t do a very good job with combat/stealth flags across the board with all the hero talents tbh

Multiple classes have new shit that breaks cc, locks in combat, etc and some of it isn’t even really controllable

[stoic spruce]

Finally, REAL Mage nerfs.

[lime oar]

Lmfao

[hidden moth]

yeah just a feels badf

top 10 na blitz 3 people 2900+

top 10 na shuffle, still only 1 person 2300 and noone higher been that way for 3 days now

[potent pivot]

ye i agree, i've just been trying to play with it in mind

just pointing out that we're not the only ones dealing with those kinda issues

it just kinda sucks more for us because stealth is such an integral part of our class

[surreal barn]

Better hope they never nerf MM

Only thing keeping some of these other classes in check lol

[potent pivot]

as long as they don't nerf DK

i am a menace 😈

[stoic spruce]

Until you find me

Gatekeeping 1200

Players

[jolly sierra]

is it? xddddd

[neat dove]

does the leeching fang cloak enchant work fully in rated pvp? 243k hp every 5 secs while out of combat is not that much but in some scenarios where you can sit in stealth it could be nice?

[potent pivot]

it should yeah

biggest issue with trying to use it right now is Singular Focus keeping us in combat

but imo it should be the better cloak enchant

the speed enchants are so small this expansion

[neat dove]

ye

[potent pivot]

the only good one is the 1k speed on wrist

[neat dove]

by the name of the speed enchant I expected some combat stat along with it, not faster hearthstone cd recovery 😄

[potent pivot]

because it actually gives 5%

[spring bough]

Do I go with golem ensemble or the hand mount for this month and which do I freeze for next lol

[potent pivot]

I bought both

And the tabard and some other stuff

They added the witch’s broom mount that I didn’t get last year

To the shop for 25 fucking dollars

[hidden moth]

shout out

to last expac boot enchant being the same as this ones

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

lazy

[potent pivot]

Yeah but it’s usually the same price

[hidden moth]

its not

[jolly sierra]

that makes it useless

xddd

[neat dove]

still inferior to the instant cast og (i still have 25 on an alt)

[potent pivot]

Every time I’ve checked it was the same price lol

[hidden moth]

im seeing 3k for plainrunners and 16k for calvery w/e

[near flower]

How hard is it playing outlaw compared to sub? I feel like giving up on sub due to teammates constantly breaking ccs keeping zugzug

[jolly sierra]

well gotta sell r3 plainsrunner then lol

glad my lock is enchanter

[potent pivot]

It’s easier but really fast paced

[near flower]

Like you can still lockdown healer and zugzug at the same time?

[potent pivot]

Sure

[potent pivot]

It’s prolly based on servers

[hidden moth]

fair

7 second cloak vs bait n switch

thoughts

[near flower]

Whats bait and switch

[potent pivot]

BnS

into most comps

[potent pivot]

the cloak/evasion 20% DR talent

[jolly sierra]

commodities and reagents are region based

collections and gear are server based

[potent pivot]

i think some stuff is still server dependent

[near flower]

Ohh the other talent, i go 7 second cloak since most of the time i use cloak offensively just so you dont get stopped when bursting

[potent pivot]

or server group w/e

[potent pivot]

the DR talent is better into most situations imo

[hidden moth]

what am i to do 1v1 vs feral as ass

[waxen meteor]

13-0 in blitz yay

[hidden moth]

noice

@potent pivot im finally geting 2200 lobbies lol

[potent pivot]

Finished the placement games?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-class-and-spell-changes-on-the-patch-11-0-5-ptr-druid-buffs-warrior-347413

New 11.0.5 shit

1.5min blades

[stoic spruce]

Lame

Where's outlaw stuff

[potent pivot]

Warrior buffs

[stoic spruce]

If I had a dollar for everyone that cared about sub, I'd have 50 cents.

Based warrior buffs

[potent pivot]

All the sub players stonking

[outer sky]

I hear symbols will be an even bigger damage boost

[potent pivot]

Ye

3% per point

[outer sky]

It's 10% baseline

[lone anvil]

Tell me your secrets

[outer sky]

So 16%?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[potent pivot]

If it’s his placement games, mostly luck lol

Placement games are random af

[halcyon timber]

Yeah its back to sanguinary veins days which is good

Big fan of that . Had a lot of fun testing that stuff. New supercharger is just build spend for those who dig. Don’t track anything like old charged points.

[near flower]

I dont see the shadowdust here

[halcyon timber]

Dust was removed

Hard to balance that stuff but other classes picked it up

So /shrug

[potent pivot]

Because these are just additional changes

[near flower]

Ohh i thought theyre just changing the cd

[potent pivot]

Of dust?

They’re just removing it entirely

[halcyon timber]

Wonder if DM had a totm effect added if it would do any good for assassins

[near flower]

And i see theyre removing sepsis too

[halcyon timber]

Yep. Hivemind demanded it so.

Still happy to move into SV returning by death perception. About time.

[near flower]

When is this patch coming?

[halcyon timber]

Reprimand hit still slaps on ptr too

[potent pivot]

November

[slim sedge]

Odd question

when capping a flag in the eye of the storm map on blitz

if you are in stealth, and you go to click the flag, do you stay in stealth?

[halcyon timber]

People will mongo and ignore bases and throw the game

No you drop stealth

[slim sedge]

sorry the flag on the basses

like to take a base

[near flower]

Still have time to reach atleast 1900 lol kissed 1750 and down to 1530, grinding sub on shuffle is so hard

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir , drops stealth

[slim sedge]

I KNEW IT

rogue was taking basses completely in stealth

[halcyon timber]

Yeah horrible af matches. Lots of losses with proud mfs.

[potent pivot]

Huh

[near flower]

And theyre changing the thistle tea too? Automatically triggers below 50?

[lone anvil]

I just won that game mode I hate, guess how much rating i gained

[slim sedge]

he clicked the flag to take a base, (for exampel dranei ruins) and was able to assualt it, completely in stealth

[potent pivot]

[slim sedge]

I could of sworn that as soon as you go to assualt a base it kicked you out of stealth

[potent pivot]

They changed it to 30 and you can still press it to use it too

[potent pivot]

You sure they didn’t use Duel or something

[slim sedge]

100%

both me and a pally saw it, we were watching the flag and poof, it got claimed

blizzard got him out of stealth

he did it twice

i thought it was some weird thing with subterfuge so i figure i should ask here

[lone anvil]

This is probably a super dumb question. Cause I never see any rogues on Murlock gem this way, but there would never be a good reason to like chose all stamina gems on a rogue would there?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[lone anvil]

Usually when I'm in PvP I judge how geared someone is and whether I think I can 1v1 them or not based on their health. Usually people in the 7-10mil range health wise have super good gear

So I wonder if someone saw a rogue with 8.5mil health if they'd just run the other way

"hell nah.....I'm outta here"

[jolly sierra]

no

u lose a lot of dmg

xddd

[outer sky]

Any MM nerfs yet?

[jolly sierra]

ask @surreal barn

[lone anvil]

What does it mean if a gem is unique equipped? Did we ever find out if the damage reduction stacks for enduring bloodstones

I tend to think people would only run that gem and nothing else if it does stack

[jolly sierra]

u can only can have and equip one

[lone anvil]

That's a boner kill

[potent pivot]

Like 1% 🤓

[jolly sierra]

aksually

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ermm-cat-gif-3813282907004418226

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerdy-nerds-nerd-emoji-gif-25380417

[lone anvil]

So do one enduring bloodstones and the rest just mix between versatile onyx and masterful sapphire

[potent pivot]

Ye

[surreal barn]

No

[spring bough]

just had a 90 second orb posession. crazy stuff

ended with 414 points lmaoooo

[neat dove]

crazy, i still sometimes think shadowblades is a 3min cd, now its gonna be 90s

[neat dove]

nice

orb carrier as rogue is so ass

[hidden moth]

we did it lads 1800 in shuff

my blitz mmr is 2500 but cr 1700 lol

[neat dove]

that looks way better than in the collection manager

[potent pivot]

Gz

[vocal ginkgo]

Gratz! Which spec are you using in shuffle?

[hidden moth]

ass

most of my build/gearing came from notrickz he was a big help

[vocal ginkgo]

I switched from sub to assassination in shuffle and started doing better

I was having a hard time with sub, at least in the current low ratings I’m playing in since it just feels like everyone is facerolling their keyboards

[vocal ginkgo]

Nice!

[vocal ginkgo]

Super hard

[stoic spruce]

Damn I guess I gotta play rdr2 to get my cowboy fix since blizzard won't throw the dog a bone and make the final jump

[broken otter]

Is there much difference in playstyle, in blitz, for Sin vs Sub?

Like as far as how you approach objectives, and helping your team?

[potent pivot]

Assa is just a lot better for team fights

[broken otter]

How's Assa at 1v1 vs Sub in blitz?

I know it's generally squishy

[potent pivot]

It’s decent vs a lot of stuff

[waxen meteor]

for sin to 1on1 vs sub is hard

especailly is sub takes the big cloak talent

[hidden moth]

new 11.5 stuff

[gray dune]

So what's better to play for pvp? I actually want the elite set so I wanna work for it😂

I main assassination in pve

[hidden moth]

ass lower skill floor sub higher skill ceiling

u need to play sub at a high skill level to compete but both are good

just if ur goated sub will be better

[gray dune]

Haven't really touched it but I could learn. I have my 4 set atleast already

[hidden moth]

uh

no u dont lol

if its not 626-639 in pvp u dont want it

very bottom

[potent pivot]

Posted it earlier

[hidden moth]

my b'

[potent pivot]

Np

[gray dune]

Then I have no clue how to get pvp tier then😂 but my pve tier is all heroic 4/6

[potent pivot]

What ilvl

[gray dune]

I think it's 619? I know max heroic is 626

[hidden moth]

so u get 1 free piece for hitting 1600, if u spent the token u got from 2k m+ or aotc u will not get the token. You then would need to buy 3 conq pieces from the vendor at 639 pvp ilvl, then use ur catalyst to convert it

yeah 626 is the ilvl ur green honor gear is

[potent pivot]

I don’t think u can get free piece at 1600

If u already got the achievement from pve

[hidden moth]

I said that

if u spent the token u got from 2k m+ or aotc u will not get the token.

[potent pivot]

I ain’t reading all that

[gray dune]

I mean I'm just about to get 2k so I can buy a pvp piece I guess

I assume chest

[hidden moth]

tbh lemon, ur prob behind on catalyst charges. I would make a 2nd rogue. I did this for my dh

u want shoulders and pants for 2 set then chest, and we arnt sure if u go helm or gloves for ur 4th piece. i went helm but im impatiant

[potent pivot]

Tbh pvping without tier isn’t that big of a deal

[hidden moth]

tricks is right. im looking too much at the min maxing of gearing

[potent pivot]

Especially if you’re only goal is 1800

[hidden moth]

tier set is also nerfed 50% in pvp

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s typically only like a 1-2% dps increase

[gray dune]

2400 would be nice, but that's a lot of work lol so I'd just do 1800 lol.

[potent pivot]

If you’ve never pvped before 2400 will be very difficult

No idea if you have or not, just throwing that out there

[gray dune]

I think the highest I was is 1500 on DH in S3

[potent pivot]

If you hit 1.8 and wanna keep going give it a shot

There’s almost no reason to now though tbh

Illusion is 1950

Elite weps is 2100 now

Only thing you get for 2.4 is tabard now

[gray dune]

The elite weapons don't even match which kinda sucks. But if illusion is 1950 I could do that

[potent pivot]

Something to note if you’re gonna play sin

We press FoK more than mut, on 2+ in pvp

[gray dune]

I figured yeah, cuz of the talents taken

[potent pivot]

The playstyle is very aoe centric for most builds

[gray dune]

Yeah I'm not sure on builds so I just took the one that has kingsbane that was on icyveins tbh

[hidden moth]

qand mount

[potent pivot]

Kingsbane is ok into certain stuff

It just does kinda piss damage compared to DF

[potent pivot]

Nope :d

2.4k and Glad are a lil different

[hidden moth]

its just 50 wins 2400+ yeah

basically the same thing

[potent pivot]

Ye and 3v3 only

Ehh

[hidden moth]

oh didnt know u could get tabard elsewhere

i mean if u can hit 2400 in 3v3 u can get 50 more wins

esp in last 2 weeks of season

[potent pivot]

You’d be surprised

[gray dune]

I'm only doing solo shuffle lol

[runic trench]

Never been above 80% health

[steel scarab]

5-1 in my first SS of the season. I'll take it

[pliant mauve]

Are rogues falling out of style or are people just finding they can’t be bothered with it? Haven’t pvp’d on the rogue in 6 days and I’ve only dropped down 6 spots on the ladder and I’m not even that high.

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

could just be pvp activity

awc going on

etc

[lavish flint]

3-6% dmg with double elemental sounds juicy, i will consider trying it out

[jolly sierra]

got a 0-6 healer match

xd

[lone anvil]

OH NO

if its not a 3-3 healer match I dont want it

[jolly sierra]

a dps ironically left at 6th round

ended 3-2

[runic trench]

I don’t understand, when I pop shadow dance and do my cheap shots kidney shots ect setup

By the time I start dpsing the main target either my dance has ended

Or my kidney is running out

What am I meant to be doing

[potent pivot]

Chain cc to keep going

Blind->gouge healer
Blind healer, bomb KT towards the end of the blind
Blind healer, duel KT towards the end of the blind

Restun KT with cheap shots

You’ve got an insane amount of cc you can utilize

[gilded gulch]

they dropped it?

[unreal summit]

so i was reading the 11.0.5 notes, thistle is becoming a passive?

[potent pivot]

Nope

Still active

It just also automatically casts when you drop below 30 energy

So don’t drop below 30 energy unless you absolutely have to

[potent pivot]

Ye

[molten hedge]

I played several shuffles tonight, and it was pretty consistently around 5% on average I’d say sometimes 7%

[vague comet]

Was there another awc or something ?

[potent pivot]

AWC goes on for weeks

[vague comet]

I can't find any youtube vods

[unreal summit]

ahh ok thats good, seems kinda dumb to even make that a talent. maybe fine for sass

[potent pivot]

It’s not a talent

It’s just baked into Tea

[unreal summit]

... bruh why though

im going to accidently proc that shit and be wondering where my tea is

[potent pivot]

So you don’t have to press it in pve for the most part

Pool your energy

That’s a pretty pivotal thing for rogue

[potent pivot]

They don’t broadcast open brackets

[vague comet]

Trickz what do think about the sub opener? Do u wait to use shadowblades and just dance until they use cc?

[potent pivot]

Streamers just stream them and that’s all

[unreal summit]

i think supa tease or ven had open bracket clips

[potent pivot]

Idk I kinda do it both ways depending on the match

I don’t really like running Thief’s bargain so I don’t typically blow Blades in the first opener

But it is pretty effective to play that way

With Lingering Darkness from Deathstalker tree as well

It’s kinda similar to outlaw’s playstyle, use it fast so you can maximize your CDR utility

[vague comet]

Ye I blow it due to cds how u said

It's just that I usually get stunned in the first 3 secs

So was wondering if it's better to just not do shit lol

[potent pivot]

gotta utilize your cc

and if they're trinketing your opener, capitalize on it

[warm tundra]

i love this change

[vague comet]

when is that patch coming out?

[potent pivot]

it's the same 11.0.5 patch they've been making changes to on the PTR, November

[rough geyser]

Hey is there a pin or a video somewhere that shows the differences between the specs' playstyles in pvp?

[orchid plinth]

Sub - stun all
Assa - dot all
Outlaw - YARR IM A FUCKING PIRATE

[last jasper]

Vods are at world of Warcraft YouTube channel

[potent pivot]

not of the open brackets i'm pretty positive

just the cups are broadcast and kept as vods

[last jasper]

The very first, like qualifying? These are not broadcasted, yes

[potent pivot]

no

there's multiple open brackets that aren't broadcast

[last jasper]

These ptr sub changes are make me nervous.

[potent pivot]

why

they seem like they're trying to compensate damage wise for losing dust

[last jasper]

If they are not holding up something and just going to adjust cds like that, then we are screwed

[potent pivot]

wdym not holding up something

[orchid plinth]

They holding up a white flag giving up on Rogues 🏳️

[last jasper]

I mean more changes. That they didn’t just removed dust and now trying to figure out what to do next.

[marble oasis]

Bro we’ve got WEEKS of tuning and changes to come yet.

The only thing they have to do us compensate the damage dust gave by artificially accelerating our CDs
It’ll be fine

[worthy crag]

these sod dmg amp changes

[vocal surge]

Dumping 1M DPS on a Demo lock

and lad nearly wins

[worthy crag]

big ass maybe but might be worth to try dropping danse and take those + shadowcraft

Drop thistle tea and vigor in favor of popping more symbols for on demand energy, put the points to +3 supercharge talent and cold blood, with shadowcraft, and pop max xp finishers back to back

This is getting somewhere

[potent pivot]

More charges does make the new ER look decent

I really think it’ll be fine as long as the damage is there

[worthy crag]

You mean the backstab ER node?

Or the supercharge in general

[potent pivot]

In general

Because it charges from Symbols iirc?

[worthy crag]

Def ppl will take at least the +2 supercharge over deeper strat since its still 1 cp gain and they get to ditch alacrity, the question will be, will they drop thistle and take the 3rd supercharge and cb

Which might be a good path cuz thistle with no shadowdust is kinda ass

[potent pivot]

Losing the CDR on defensives/cc does suck but like, there IS a world where sub can do decent sustain AND some burst

It’s all just tuning dependent

[worthy crag]

its still gonna be a pain to go back to 100 energy though esp vs totems

[potent pivot]

Yeah i can’t stand playing any spec without vigor

Tbh I like Tea a lot as well

The CB would have to be a big enough reliable hit

[worthy crag]

Also the new wording for ER makes it sound like it supercharges every finisher and not just the first?

Damn I might actually end up ditching danse and take shadowcraft

Oh i guess its buffing 2 finishers per symbol

still pretty damn good

[celest tusk]

Any alliance PVP Guild i can join?

[potent pivot]

gotta find one in game or on a website

[celest tusk]

kk ty 🙂

[potent pivot]

yeah it's worded really weird

[last jasper]

Yeah, Blizzard always makes other options more compelling instead of turning the one everyone plays into useless garbage 😂.

They already did that. Blades are lower than they used to be. Longer dance and symbols charges

[rough geyser]

How do you guys set up your action bar for stealth?

[potent pivot]

The exact same as the non stealth bar besides shadowstrike/ambush replacing backstab/mut/sinister strike

[rough geyser]

I'm trying to bind it like my other classes

but I already ran out of buttons I usually use for stuns

[indigo hill]

Got kidney on R and cheap on G. What other stuns you got?

[lone anvil]

I hate trying to figure out binds on Rogue tbh

[safe pelican]

In the process of redoing my binds after playing rogue for a year 🦦

[wintry dew]

I've got kidney on 1

Mut 2

Env 3

[lone anvil]

I'm trying to set good binds but I don't like the idea of having tons of keyboard binds. Like I don't want tons of modifiers of the same keys and have to hit shift and control a bunch.

So I've tried implementing the 12 button mouse.

Has anyone else had success using prodoninantly mouse button binds

[weary pumice]

can we use sockets we get from great vault token on pvp items ?

[fallen scaffold]

i mean yeah, my sniper button on mouse is always the atk i spam most, so on assa its fok, on mage its ice lance. my f11/f12 which are 2 buttons right to the left of my pointer finger or left click (i use a g502x) are always purge/dispel keys and/or sweeping blades/blade flurry type shit. my mouse4 is always kick on every char, my mouse3 is always hard cc, so poly/blind/cyclone/fear etc etc. my mousewheel click is always usually some type of minor defensive. mscroll up is always heal/rez pet or taunt and so no and so on. i ususally use modifiers on these mouse keys for focus macros and other niche stuff. i prefer to have most of my main attacks on 1 keyboard button thats ez to get to, usually like F, C,V 1-4

[lone anvil]

I was kinda sad the tier legs don't have Vers on them. I went from 31% vers down to 26% vers

[rough geyser]

I was thinking about Sap specifically

I don't know how often you use it I've never played rogue before

Probably a lot though right

For now I have F cheap, G kidney, E sap

But maybe having some damaging move on E would be better

[candid tide]

i have E sap too

its been my sap bind for ages, cant live without it, tried to change it many times it never works out

need to get that fast sap off

[orchid plinth]

I've had Kick on E since Vanilla

Vanish on F

Spam attack on 2 so it's easy to strafe while doing it

[wintry dew]

That's why Mut is on 2 for me aswell

As any builder or spammy ability like raging blow for warrior

[misty imp]

How do I stop myself from getting paired with a bunch of people just slapping their keyboard in rbg? The struggle is real.

[rocky vale]

what should I be doing as assa on EOTS blitz?

cant really ninja cos it's static bases (I do when they swap, or try to)

should I Just def?

or teamfight and aoe with bleeds?

[spring bough]

Did like 12 blitz games last night went up just about 200 rating lol

[misty imp]

I shot up quick on my hunter, but I just keep getting people that only care about killing blows on my rogue. It's horrible

[spring bough]

My favorite win last night was me 1v2 at shrine. Hit the CC hit the smoke bomb got the cap and got hit right as I capped it. To have my teammate fly in and we secured the cap for 4 bases for the win

[misty imp]

noice

I had a guy yell at me about why I only had 1 killing blow in arathi last night.

Cause no ones defending shit, I'm just capping flags my mans.

[spring bough]

Some rogue in say did “lol” to me and got a cap over me on the mines map. So I killed him after I rezzed and said “lol”

Then after the game he was all in my whispers “you 1400 for lifer what’s so funny” 😂

Like bro I just hit 1900 and you literally 1500 what are you on 🤦‍♂️

[rocky vale]

ok someone quick tell me what to do on deephaul as a rogue xd

[misty imp]

I feel like a 1400 lifer.

They are quick with the crystals

I've been doing that and back capping the cart when they spawn

[opal bone]

1400 gaming

[spring bough]

Is that Crystal map? I usually go fatebound and flag carry with two grapples

[rocky vale]

I'm assa

[spring bough]

I’d probably focus on efc crystal or back capping carts then

[vocal ginkgo]

I can’t live without my razer naga mouse haha

99% of my binds are 1-12 on the mouse and then alt 1-12

Then just Q, E, S and F I think

[vocal ginkgo]

Will definitely give E sap a try

[celest burrow]

@spring bough Some folks play the game more for the power feeling versus accomplishment. They prefer projecting that they ruined someone's day. Those types don't have a lot of fortitude so when things go wrong for them, they have to lash out nonsensically 🙂

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s funny. Realizing I can’t even type “lol” at someone without it hurting their feelings now

[candid tide]

great sap bind imo, cause u can quickly build out to spamming abilities around that area like 1234 etc

[lone anvil]

That's rough. Looks like you're rogues performing well though man 😤

[hidden moth]

I have a razer naga and hella binds, i use alt shift alot though and ctrl sometimes

like feint is shift+spacebar lol

[outer sky]

These are mine

[hidden moth]

Interesting no e or q bind

though i get called the "weird one" for changes those. i move strafe from q/e to a/d and turn with the mouse like an fps

[orchid plinth]

Probably strafe

[surreal barn]

Any of you on the beta

I bet auto tea feels weird

[lone anvil]

My dumbass has F for feint cause Feint begins with F and stealth is S for the same reason 😭

[orchid plinth]

Kidney Shot on K

[spring bough]

So been using no UI scale since I got my ultra wide monitor. Went to 70% UI scale last night and it was life changing. Feel like I can see so much better now lol

[rough geyser]

My mouse only has two extra buttons D:

[outer sky]

tricks is Q but I macro it to kidney

[hidden moth]

stealth is mouse wheel press

and my trinket is on f

[vocal ginkgo]

Mouse wheel up is vanish for me and mouse wheel down is evasion, alt + mouse wheel down is cloak

[spring bough]

I like how sin and sub have 30+ elite blitzers each

And outlaw has 6 at elite 😂

We need some more outlaws out here lol

[vague comet]

wait a sec

am i an idiot for not using ambush/backstab macro?

i have it seperately binded

[vocal surge]

#buffOutlaw

[spring bough]

Revert the nerfs. Then give us 5% overall ontop of that

Even tho I already feel like I blast 😂

[lone anvil]

Nah I don't either

I'm assassination though, so do whatever you want with that Info 😊

😜

[vocal surge]

Yes

Made a macro dedicated to removing my own Blessing of Protection

in order to win mage matchups if I have a paladin healer on my team

lol

[spring bough]

Mages man…. Make me not wanna gouge a single player

Every time I gouge someone somehow it’s the wrong target according to any mage lol. Can never win 🤦‍♂️

[lone anvil]

Hey someone in this chat and I were talking about toxicity and rudeness from teammates in battleground settings. I was venting how it's my own teammates who are the most toxic to me and I said it was surprising because even from a selfish perspective, usually it's easier to get what you want out of people if you're nice as opposed to being rude.

And someone in this chat basically said or implied that although toxicity occured at higher MMR PvP it was less common.

My assumption was that this correlation would be due to the fact that individuals who understand Tilt and how it effects them and their team are more likely to be successful, and that people who are unsuccessful have a poor understanding of tilt.

This same conversation came up in another discord and essentially everyone told me I was stupid and wrong and that players are equally toxic at all levels of play.

Do you guys have any insight

[copper grove]

Hi can you guys give me the most have addon for arena

[rough geyser]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/skill-capped-ui This helped me personally

[spring bough]

I feel like it’s equal across the board. Was in a 2200 mmr lobby last night. Some 2150 ranked monk capped when we had one base and were about to get the second base

Everyone on my team flamed this monk for the rest of the game

We were winning the entire game and then lost in the last 20 seconds. Pretty sure we lost cause people were typing at this guy and not going mid to get last flag

Could have also lost cause this guy capped and didn’t hold too. Combo of them lol

[lone anvil]

So that's exactly my point

You guys would be a higher MMR if you weren't being toxic

Supa tease suggests turning off BG chat entirely

I feel like the more you ignore the actions of others and focus on yourself and what you can control generally the better

[spring bough]

Idk who you guys are cause I didn’t say shit to this guy I was just a bystander. I tried to get to mid for this flag but I was only one and couldn’t do it myself 🤷‍♂️

[lone anvil]

Okay my bad

But like that's an example of where them typing in chat led to them losing a match

By your own admission they would have a higher MMR

[spring bough]

It was funny watching my team lose cause 5-6 people were just in chat telling this guy he was a troll and to never que again

[lone anvil]

Id they weren't flaming some dude

[spring bough]

They ramped up the shit talk when he got a second flag and got DK gripped into capping it

Wish I recorded it lol

[lone anvil]

I think you unknowingly proved my point lol

[fossil iris]

I mean, on the flip side, the monk might’ve learned to never do that again and is a better player for it

[spring bough]

Yeah. If they weren’t typing. And focusing on hey we are 1300 tied. Let’s get next flag. We woulda won

It’s kinda crazy. Game after I ninja shrine and a teammate came to help with 0 call for it. Won us the game. So yeah we can effect the outcome as just an individual

[lone anvil]

But there is a difference between instruction and when people are just blatantly rude and call someone an idiot.

The concept "tilt" I was referring to and I'm sorry if you're already familiar with it, is when someone starts playing bad, gets frustrated, and enters a cyclical process of getting more angry and playing worse.

So a lot of pro gamers talk about the importance of talking positively with teammates s as opposed to bickering and placing blame because generally people play better when they're having fun and are more relaxed and less stressed

[spring bough]

Sometimes I try to pump up chat if we a lil behind like “let’s keep it up. Get to next base. Keep playing objectives” and then get the “shut up we lost” like ight keep that attitude smh

[lone anvil]

In his scenario it sounds like multiple people got frustrated and it cost them the game

[fossil iris]

Sure in a team environment. Were talking about pug gaming which has been toxic since the beginning of time

[spring bough]

The highest rated dude in my eye of storm game was like 2240 and was the one talking the most shit lol

Some warrior ofc

[lone anvil]

Yes but there's ways to positively influence those environments, negatively engage or just neutrally remove yourself

[fossil iris]

You’re not going to convince people who shout out racial slurs and other derogatory comments that being nicer is more efficient

[lone anvil]

Sure

That wasn't the premise for my initial post. But I agree with that statement 100%

If you try and change every bigot you'll also spend too much time in chat and you'll probably still lose

[spring bough]

Most I talked last night was just what base I was hitting or where the Incs were and it worked out well. Went like 11-3 or something

[lone anvil]

Yeah sometimes you can do your role perfectly and still lose

Thats what makes pvp hard

[spring bough]

Yeah had two of those as losses last night

Got a good amount of off carts and 6-7 people couldn’t get one lava

And I got 0 peels when I called for it

Sometimes chat works sometimes it don’t even for calling easy stuff

[lone anvil]

Yeah

[spring bough]

In temple last night. Before game started some monk went all “I hope the rogues know their jobs”

Like you play monk I’ll play rogue thanks for the advice lol

Then I somehow stayed alive for 1.5 min with an orb and got the most points. Then hit him with “what’s my job again?” Lol

[runic trench]

People that loot unbound spoils

while group is fighting

are the worst

[surreal barn]

Im tellin you man disable chat, yer gonna get banned 😂

Maybe there’s an addon

[spring bough]

If a statement like that gets someone banned then I’m going mute for the rest of my life in game and in life lol

[lone anvil]

Dude I hate hate hate that map and I've been struggling so much getting it a lot in RBG but I'm trying my best to improve. I've gotten a couple wins after my losing streak and gotten 0 rating. Even when I win

I won temple last night, and got this achievement in the process , and still only got 1 rating

[spring bough]

I usually go straight for EFC orb carriers. Kill one. Vanish sprint right to the one that they dropped and go for that

Smoke bomb does wonders on that map esp if orb carriers far from their healers

[graceful ravine]

When playing with strangers, in my experience higher mmr is more toxicity (esp if theyre in discord with you). Any mistake you make will be called out and yelled at, ex if you get your base ninja'ed by an opposing rogue in a 1v1 - you get flamed hard. These people are more sweaty/try hard and more passionate about their CR/MMR at higher ratings

Also looking for players to blame during a loss

[spring bough]

I lost a cart last night in a 1v1 against a sub. And the chat blew me up. But we still won thank god lol

[graceful ravine]

in lower CR - no one really cares

[indigo hill]

Is the mmr capped at like 2k or something now? So you see more sweaty try hards?

[graceful ravine]

lose a game? oh wells

[jolly sierra]

and usually high rated pvp players

like 2k1 forward usuallly doesnt call out that much

ive seen that more at like 1600-2099

maybe mostly at the 1k8 bracket because ppl is sweating hard trying to get rival

[graceful ravine]

ive been in 2500+ rbgs teams, and shit in there gets INTENSE

comms wise

[lone anvil]

I mean I can't say you're wrong about high MMR but almost every un rated BG I lose or lower rated Rbg someone is calling everyone else idiots

[graceful ravine]

kicking people out for fucking up 1 thing is very common

get ninjaed on a base? auto kick

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

[graceful ravine]

unless youve played together for years

then you may get a pass here and there

[jolly sierra]

yeah im sure they are bald irl

too much stress for nothing

[lone anvil]

Brb I gotta do something at work

I'll respond to any comments later

[jolly sierra]

i slept 4 hours

ill need to drink a coke before work

[graceful ravine]

i lost 100 rating in blitz last night 2620->2520 feelsbad

[jolly sierra]

F

[indigo hill]

Why do i see so many outlaws on Murlok with mastery/crit and haste very low?

[graceful ravine]

i was playing at 2700-2800 mmr the night before, logged in the next morning, queued first game and they put me at 2400 (im at 2620) and im like uhh wtf?

i wonder if it has to do with the match making system, theres not enough players at 2700-2800 during that time, so to make queues faster, they put me in the 2400 mmr lobby

now i just dont queue in the mornings lol

[spring bough]

Went from like 1700 mmr to 2200 mmr last night lol

Fluctuated game to game. One win 21 points next win 7 then back to 18

Seems like it’s great at night

Hoping for another fun ride tonight. Maybe get another 200 rating

[graceful ravine]

my understanding of MMR is i shouldnt be dropping 200+ mmr overnight while winning my previous games at 2700+

that typically only happens if i lose 2-3 games in a row

[spring bough]

I’ve had games in the same night after a win where MMR either went up 100 or down 100

[graceful ravine]

unless theres no players at 2700+ when i queued...

[spring bough]

That could be. Not too sure how the entirety of the MMR system works

[lone anvil]

I saw some really odd things on the forums

[graceful ravine]

do outlaw have a separate bind for SS and ambush?

[spring bough]

As HO no. Can use a macro that swaps ambush for sinister every stealth window or audacity proc

So my sinister / ambush is the same bind

[graceful ravine]

Can you post the macro

I’m leveling a 2nd rogue, gonna play outlaw 😄

think it’s pretty good blizz removed the vault for pvpers

I can level a new character and get it maxed out quickly to match my main

[spring bough]

/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike

[graceful ravine]

ty

[spring bough]

Already 610 for my pve key set

Missed a week but itlll come back quick lol

[tribal badger]

audacity automatically changes SS to ambush

you only need that macro if you play without stealth bars

otherwise u can just put ambush on ur stealth bar where SS would be

[lone anvil]

Now this is just anecdotal, and my experience but...

Yeah. In ESO I used to sweat pretty hard in PvP. A lot of COMPd groups on Coms. I played with the uptight dudes who called every single small action out and raged is you drank a potion at the wrong time and got even more mad if they died. And I played with the dudes who were chill and laughed when they died. All skilled players. usually the better players I played with were more casual on COMs and more likely to laugh it off when they died. (Everyone loses their cool from time to time im speaking more in generalizations. People whos baseline wasn't being uptight and yelling) And it seemed the people who were worse at the game were more uptight because they were trying to do everything possible to win. Almost like to compensate for their lack of ability. Where as my friends who had more ability were more like to be fine. My one friend would commonly be fighting out numbered like 1v20 and you wouldn't even know until you found him because he didnt always ask for help. (Id scream as soon as I was 1v3 lol) But I won with both groups of people. And even the relaxed guys would yell at each other sometimes. But I prefer to play with the relaxed guys

[worthy crag]

feral buffed in anniversary patch notes?

[orchid plinth]

The only thing I find a it annoying is that you have to decide between PvP and PvE for the Catalyst aka Tier but otherwise it's been awesome!

[lone anvil]

And there's no way to make up for missed catalysts is there

[safe pelican]

Everyone buffed in anniversary patch notes except sub

[lone anvil]

Like if I just level up a character to 80 today

[lone anvil]

I thought I saw warriors caught nerfs for like the 4th straight update

[safe pelican]

Possibly I’m just trolling tbh cause I’m salty about the sub rework ,

[orchid plinth]

I think you will just have Catalyst charges...? I dont know I dont have any alts right now.

[lone anvil]

Oh my bad

[orchid plinth]

I would assume so considering how everything else, except the vault, works. Conquest stacking up etc.

[lone anvil]

What is be interested in finding out is if you get retro actively reimbursed for the ones you missed and start our at like 2-3 or where ever we are currebtly. or if you have to wait two weeks for each one

[hidden moth]

love being kept in combat bc of crystisaline reflection

[hidden moth]

catalyst charges?

[lone anvil]

Yeah.

[hidden moth]

every caracter gets the same amount so if u made a lvl 1 rn got it to 80 u would have 2

[lone anvil]

Oh wow

[hidden moth]

if it was tuesday this coming week u would have 3

[lone anvil]

That's craazzzzy

[hidden moth]

if its later season u can be fresh 80 with 8

its a good catchup mech

[lavish gorge]

@spring bough whats your mmr right now? You running blitz generally?

[spring bough]

No too sure. Will have to check when I get home. Running both about 2k on solo and blitz. Think my blitz MMR was 100-200 higher than my rating

[lavish gorge]

Most impressive. What classes would you generally go in on 100% vs which ones would you generally avoid like the plague?

[jolly sierra]

UH dk would smash

would avoid surv hunts

demo locks

[hidden moth]

I have mixed feels on dk, i feel like some of them hurt others are just, push overs

for marked for death since it doubles my bleed/poison. If i have 5/5 stack wound and dup it does that mean its 40% healing reduce instead of the normal 20? and/ or does the shiv 30% add to this

so like heal for 100 - 40= 60 -18=42 healing received

[spring bough]

UH DKs do a good amount of damage to you but they also MELT