pvp

[jolly sierra]

well if u wanna retake it can call u a homie which can tell u the difference between a pally main and an alt

@last jasper do u remember how we played sub-ret months ago? lol

[stoic spruce]

I got it out of my system

undead pally when

[jolly sierra]

the max shit would see for now

are undead skins for humans

like they did w darkfallen (ty blizz now i can feign im a NE for horde lol)

ye, actually liked having them as forsaken in BFA

and that case would be entirely possible

cuz calia menethil and derek proudmoore are tokens for alliance in horde high seats

why tf they cant have decent leadership

like w fkn baine

fuck u baine

[stoic spruce]

I like Calia

[jolly sierra]

calia does care for them

but idk if i should trust a gal which lit did politics in the arathi gathering

for alliance

im 100% sure she would drag them to SW if has the chance

the thing w calia is that, she would take care of forsaken and avoid messing the shit out but her loyalty is loose af

[stoic spruce]

well for me it shows that peoples ideas can change

she sees the forsaken in a new light

get it

light

[jolly sierra]

heh

well

give your thanks to calia, u can have humans w undead skins soon tho

so u can play undead pally

imo removing warchief position was a mistake

and the more worthy (this will be biased af) are the champions of the horde actually in the charge

like rexxar or rokhan, because they are both loyal to their own factions and the horde itself

[waxen meteor]

damn, marksman with berserk buff is crazy

one root i am dead lol

[jolly sierra]

rapid fire goes brrr

[waxen meteor]

i was trying to enjoy a 1on1 at blitz

went to stables

hunter saw me riding

anyway i went to open flag thinking just giving him the open

then i die in root -.-

[jolly sierra]

xd

idk how MM hunts are allowed to go anywhere unnerfed

blizz should balance classes according to the required skill

[waxen meteor]

i like what we do in blitz

[jolly sierra]

its just dumb than classes like DH or MM hunts are S tier in some seasons without any merit

[waxen meteor]

at least we have sap + open flag/node back

to punish the noobs :)))

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

or troll w cloak

[stoic spruce]

been a while since I hated on sub rogue

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-gif-15190379

its funny af how ironically racist w game stuff and elitist w classes of specs ppl can be here lol

[stoic spruce]

I got nothing to say

but

man

Ironically?

[jolly sierra]

ofc we wont do that shit irl

but is funny af to hate NEs ingame

[stoic spruce]

ingame??

[jolly sierra]

do they exist irl?

[stoic spruce]

no I unironically hate the players

see

I am evil

[jolly sierra]

u hate me?

this guy

"Predator Coomer"

[stoic spruce]

the roots are actually insane this expac

[stoic spruce]

nah bby i lv u

<3

[jolly sierra]

xd

[jolly sierra]

fkn mages cant clean their stuff even w cloak

[stoic spruce]

make it stop :c

[jolly sierra]

ill make a report to blizz to fix that shit

how tf if is magic cant be cleansed by cloak

REEEEEEEE

[stoic spruce]

the biggest lie ever

I was 2 minutes away and the fucking game crashed

what the hell do you want from me blizzard

this just gave me the biggest headache

[waxen moon]

noticed that the top rogue pvp players are mostly Night Elf (Alliance) with female gender, wanna ask, why female? is there advantage of using female?

[potent pivot]

Male night elves just look wonky

[waxen moon]

so many threads discussing about this in the internet lol

[indigo hill]

The sexy part is very true

[potent pivot]

Thats classic forums

[jolly sierra]

fkn coomer

[runic trench]

Most of them are male irl. And we also want to look pretty and dress up

Is it a crime to be a princess too?

Why must I play an abomination (male NE)

[jolly sierra]

well u will stare at some ass everytime u are logging

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Submit an ID to play as female

Lmao could you imagine

Yo wait

Dating app but it's an mmorpg on pc

World of Lovecraft

Holy moly chat I'm cooking

[orchid plinth]

Male NE hot

I will be NE Male in future

[worthy crag]

female nelf sucks

[orchid plinth]

pfp checks out

[gilded gulch]

ne male is stupid looking

[indigo hill]

They are beautiful creatures.

[lyric onyx]

That’s called argent dawn goldshire

Moonguard for us

[indigo hill]

A place of great horror. First time I went on AD in 2012. I didn't know about goldshire. I still have nightmares. 😂

I transfered from a pvp server to a touchmypp server.

[runic trench]

Pvp to pee-on-me

[digital current]

yo guys in your opinion what’s the easiest spec to start with? Especially in pvp?

I’m kinda intrigued by sub

[potent pivot]

Assa and outlaw are usually easier to learn for most people than sub

Outlaw is really fast paced and very dependent on having good uptime though

Sub is just requires a lot more technical skill to do as well

[terse bolt]

How do we keep invigorating shadowdust for sub's sake?

tried a build without it

utter trash

if mages and hunters could kite us with it, it is now impossible to close the gap

[sturdy canopy]

Outlaw and sin are definitely classes that are easy to play hard to master imo, sub is definitely more technical with a higher skill floor, but I know some people find it easier, I'd give them all ago in some skirmishes and see which one takes your fancy the most, you're probably gonna perform better on a spec you have fun playing and have motivation to play

[digital current]

thank you guys

btw as far as skill/buttons what is the most bloated of the three?

[crimson torrent]

in the talent tree what are u sacrificing for kings bane ?

i feel like in 2v2 its better to have kings bane or in duels for example

[weary pumice]

If that can help @crimson torrent

[outer sky]

should I make rings with this week's heraldries or save to make weapons?

[outer sky]

yeah take KB in 2s and 1v1

[near flower]

Can you also change the icon for drs on gladius like gladiusex

[surreal barn]

lol

Fucking hilarious

[lone anvil]

Are there other good pvp discords out there that you guys know about

I'm trying to network more and build more of a community of people to play with in game and it seems like it used to be a lot easier to do.

[wintry dew]

Doubt, besides streamers discord servers

[orchid plinth]

Jump into the Mage Discord PvP channel and 2v2 flirt

[lone anvil]

When I played ESO on PlayStation. Different people would have PSN chats with like 30-100 PvPers in them. So you could log in and hop in voicechat and within 20-30 minutes people would start joining in and before long you'd have 5-10 people to pvp with. And like often time there would always be different voice chats going when you'd log in and you would just chose who to join.

So far WoW has been feeling more socially starved. Likes ive invited 4-5 people to our guild but only two actually hop on VC on discord and play together.

Maybe I just need more time networking and building relationships and finding pvp guilds and stuff to join.

[wintry dew]

Wow has become a game where you don't need to interact with people (overall) to get shit done

It wasn't always like this

[lone anvil]

My assumption with WoW being a bigger game subscription wise and PC being a bigger platform there would have to be bigger social circles here, no?

[wintry dew]

There are, guilds and their discord servers mainly, community servers

[lone anvil]

ESO has catered to the solo player for years lol. To the extent they don't even advertise it as a PvP game anymore

[wintry dew]

But for pvp it's mainly streamer servers

[lone anvil]

Yeah ESO was such a small community me and my friends were the streamers lol

[wintry dew]

I feel like nowadays, if you want to bond and create new friendships, you really need to join already existing guilds or be lucky growing your own

[lone anvil]

Yeah I'm trying to grow my own and it's slow and painful

And we will add 5 people and 2 will leave because we aren't active enough or group enough for their liking

And it's like it's hard to gain traction when you don't have the players to group often lol

[wintry dew]

Especially now that you don't even need guilds to do stuff

[lone anvil]

The only reason I even advertise the guild is because the guild name is on the discord we use for COMs so it makes it simple enough to have everyone in one place

But I don't need people to join a guild

[lone anvil]

I've mentioned it before. But I think it would be cool if we organized events in here.

Especially since most of us main rogues we could do assaults on major cities like Orgimar or Stormwind.

But also all my friends are also making healers. I made a resto druid. My buddy Danny made a pres Evoker. And my friend hydro is working on a H pally if we wanted to split up in pairs with healers and all queue BG blitz that could be a lot of fun too

My one guild and I used to do drunk pvp nights usually on like Friday or Saturday where everyone would gett a 6 pack in or something and be on coms and PvP together

[crimson torrent]

over which talent ?

so what am i removing for kings bane

[wintry dew]

Although I can understand your enthusiasm, what you're trying to accomplish is not an easy task and requires a lot of online advertising and in game spam to create from ground 0

Also most people here are busy doing their own things, and people mostly play for rewards, which means killing the alliance bosses won't give them anything but a bear

[lone anvil]

Yeah I have the bear

Its not that I don't care about rewards

But I'm just trying to play the game and have a good time with other people who are just playing the game to have fun and having a good time

And I get rewards are fun for some people. But like good old fashion world pvp has to have a fan base out there somewhere

Unless we are all Gen z fortnite, skin store fashion coded lol

Someone out there must want to just fucking smash buttons and drop health bars lol

[graceful ravine]

Seth needs a nerf!

apply a -5% debuff on his character

[lone anvil]

Maybe I'm too nostalgic but I remember going to thunder bluff just to stealth on a druid and knock people off the elevators with typhoon.

Or like taking 8 people to cross roads just to fuck around yanno?

Like the game always had its achievements and it's grind but it seemed like people used to be down for shenanigans

[wintry dew]

Yep, I've been there and done that as well, I'm a tbc baby

I also miss the old world

Back when we had no responsibilities

[lone anvil]

Has the game changed so much that people don't do things just for the hell of it anymore

[graceful ravine]

we're older now with less time on our hands

[lone anvil]

Valid

[lone anvil]

Less time and more kittens

He got all himb bawls chopped off

[graceful ravine]

should assa rogues be picking up orbs in the orb bg?

[lone anvil]

Bro I do it out of respect to the team

But sometimes if my team isn't around I get fucked before I make it to the pit

I hate that map

[graceful ravine]

isnt assa one of the worst specs for orb carrying? am i out of the loop on this one

[sleek belfry]

yeah i wouldn't

[lone anvil]

I feel like I have the least impact on my teams performance on that map

[graceful ravine]

got flamed by a lower cr outlaw for not picking up orbs

im like ???

[sleek belfry]

lol

[lone anvil]

Sp technically anyone should

If no one else is picking them up a Rogue is better than no one

But

[sleek belfry]

yeah sub is insane for obvious extra mobility and cc but also because they can blow a single dps up instantly if they come around a pillar and you have high stacks

[lone anvil]

Id your team is doing their job you should t have tp

[sleek belfry]

assaa ain't it for carrying, should just be spam killing carriers and splitting healers

[spring bough]

I have rated PvP withdrawals rn

[spring bough]

Yeah cause they Garbo and wanna project on others

[lyric onyx]

I feel like as rogue you’re better of being the guy killing enemy orb carriers

[spring bough]

Can’t vanish with orb

[lyric onyx]

As long as you’re doing that well people can’t be mad

[spring bough]

I usually go EFC orb carriers first then may get one if my teams not picking

[lone anvil]

If no one on your team is grabbing them you need to fucking grab them regardless of your spec

[wintry dew]

I have 4, and if y'all have animals:
#1146207476983812117

[lone anvil]

But it's not ideal

[celest tusk]

Guys,the timers when capturing a flag in normal bgs are higher than capturing a flag in solo rbg right?

I mean the time it requires to capture it when u click at it.

[lone anvil]

The worst spec for orb carrying is better than no one orb carrying. But it's better to have a warrior or fat boy on it

[lyric onyx]

Yeah blitz is faster

[spring bough]

Saw some warrior on Reddit. Was like 7-14 in solo blitz and somehow 2100 lol

wtf happened with inflation this week?? I missed out on some good stuff

[celest tusk]

@lyric onyx oh kk..ty for reply.

[wintry dew]

This week

I also saw that

He was 2800

Or something like that

[celest tusk]

Prob he got in high mmr games and got the win so more points?

[spring bough]

7 wins tho

That’s what 300 rating a win

Crazy shit

[celest tusk]

if he got very high lobbys and got th win prob cuz of it

its truly weird though how blitz works rn

i guess they gonna do some changes

[spring bough]

Lucky ass MFs

Yeah they’ll change tomorrow when I can play cause that’s how shit works lol

[celest tusk]

@spring bough pretty sure everyone that got very high rating will eventually drop as he plays

when things get fixed

[wintry dew]

The thing is that he LOST his points not gained

[spring bough]

Yeah and? They still get all the achieves and mogs lol

Gonna take us so much longer now to get 2400 in blitz if they gonna change it lol

[lone anvil]

I have no idea what happened in blitz. I climbed up to 1700. And then lost 12 straight. I actually counted. And now Im At like 1530. I'm either the worst rogue or getting the shittiest rng

Over half of those 12 were the orb match, which I feel completely useless on

[wintry dew]

Wait maybe I'm the one not understanding this correctly.
Aren't people on high 2.7 on blitz since like last week?

Or what changed?

[spring bough]

Yeah it started Tuesday last week right? And if they fix it going forward I’m saying it’ll take longer to climb

[wintry dew]

But what's the bug

[spring bough]

Idk. MMR being whacked? Dude getting to duelist off 7 wins seems bugged?

[amber goblet]

First week had bug with cr loss in BGB ive heard

Maybe thats how

[graceful ravine]

Hard truths - you are at the mmr you deserve to be at

if you truly dont belong in the 1500s, you would be plowing thru team fights, ninjaing every base with ease, carrying your team to an easy W

when i was climbing thru the 1500 lobbies, my kdr was 20-0 or something ridiculous lol

[graceful ravine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1ft4f9j/fun_fun_fun/ you talking about this?

think youre misreading the post

this shows his weekly games, not his season games

according to the comments, he LOST 700 rating from 2800->2100

[spring bough]

Damn saw that this morning thought that was season stats. Rip to that guys rating

[jolly sierra]

poor guy got it rough

OOF

[worthy crag]

what do ppl get from blitz rating?

Im assuming legend comes from there too?

Asidr from the typical elite duelist etc ranks

[indigo hill]

Seasonal mount and elite transmog. You also get the rbg titles and achievements and the classic pvp transmog.

[jolly sierra]

blitz rating?

[worthy crag]

solo bgs

[jolly sierra]

every rated reward plus

the pvp sets

and the titles

from rbgs

i did it in prepatch to get the 1k8 xmog

[safe pelican]

Get out of blitz and push 2s or shuffle like a real man 🥱

[jolly sierra]

(a fucker tried to roost me my heirloom dagger xmogs from garrosh just because i wanted to match my 1k8 xmog bruh)

[jolly sierra]

i hate looking for healers, that is the reason im so happy w SS

fuck u

i even use to hire the fuckers because they always were or bad coordinating without VC or picky

[safe pelican]

I like SS put the gun down , I just don’t like the MMR mismatches but when you get an equal lobby it’s great

[jolly sierra]

nah i was kidding

im flamer af dw is not for hating hahaha

[jolly sierra]

ye that is the main issue tho

[lone anvil]

So when I won 6 straight and was at 1730 i deserved to be there. And when I lost 12 straight and hit 1530 I deserved to be there? These all seem like huge sweeping fluctuations lol. I'm not implying I'm a God. Also KDR isn't super relevant in most OBjectives is it

[jolly sierra]

even w a streak u can get matched in low mmr lobbies

just because ur regular mmr lobbies arent available

atm

[graceful ravine]

Yup

[lone anvil]

How does that make sense. How was I a 1730 player and a 1530 player within the same week

[graceful ravine]

thats a small variance tbh

[jolly sierra]

damn i hope MMR can match CR, so i can get insta 2k4 rating to match it

[lone anvil]

That's not a small gap

[graceful ravine]

in blitz it is

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[graceful ravine]

1400-1799, 1800-2100, 2100-2400, 2400-2800+ are typically the ranges

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[graceful ravine]

aligns with the titles as well

[lone anvil]

I was so close to making it out the hood lmao

[jolly sierra]

u have enough season for that

[graceful ravine]

you gotta play better to make it to the next bracket

[lone anvil]

Very helpful lnformation 😂

Ty captain Ob

[lyric onyx]

Giving out coaching for free damn

[celest burrow]

I havent' done blitz yet on either of my toons, getting gear and trying to git gud but I did it play it in s4 of DF. Hoping to have some decent experiences in in this week

[lone anvil]

I'm happy where I'm at considering I've only been back a month after not playing since cataclysm and I'm on a new class still getting used to my keybinds lol. I will definitely continue to improve. I was expecting a learning curve and I wasn't expecting to be rank 1 over night.

[graceful ravine]

if you lost 12 games in a row, its time to look inwards and not blame outside factors like rng, bad maps, teammates etc

[lone anvil]

I said all that if you read up

[graceful ravine]

i watch all my clips of every loss, esp if i lost a base

analyze mistakes and what i can do better next time

even if its a 2v1

if you can delay a 2v1 capping your base by 10+ seconds, thats a W

[lone anvil]

Yeah I want to start recording and doing that. But since I haven't been PC gaming I just have an old school laptop that barely runs the game

So I want to get a better PC before I start running recording software

Its much easier to record on playstation. But I reviewed tape all the time in ESO

On PS5

[celest burrow]

Now that I updated a few settings my wow runs so perfectly nice on my macbook with an UW monitor; can't complain

[surreal barn]

What MacBook

I have to buy another one before the year is over

[wintry dew]

gearing up honor gear is so goddamn easy

got to 80 yesterday on my nelf rogue

im already full honor

[indigo hill]

Gearing is the easy part. Climbing rating in Blitz is the hard part. The moment you hit 1600 people just get worse.

[lone anvil]

Help walk me through this again. I've been thinking about it a lot. So if you turned a piece of bloody gear into catalyst gear it would be possible to have every single piece of gear 636+

Or the other option is having 2 pieces that are 626 nd you're sitting on 1000 bloody tokens?

I guess I don't get the bloody tokens hate. Its just 3 item level and we continue to get catalyst and could always upgrade a conquest later

@potent pivot

[celest burrow]

@surreal barn It's an M3 max binned so not the top one, but the one below it. I love it 🙂

I save my honor for sockets and just learning to play with my token gear and crafted pieces and free weapon lol.

[violet zephyr]

Kalvish does this shit all the time

[indigo hill]

You can use it as a temporary piece but the gear is a bit worse and the catalyst needs time to recharge. You should be able to get 4 pieces of conquest gear.

[celest burrow]

But after today can afford a few conquest pieces and such.

[violet zephyr]

Whaaz said 4 set for sub is troll

[lone anvil]

What do you mean recharge? Are you just talking about the 2 week delay between tokens

[lone anvil]

I think you missed my point. If you use the catalyst on a bloody pieces it's possible to have every single slot over 636 next week. That's not possible if you just sit on 1000 bloody tokens you're going to have 1-2 pieces still 626

[indigo hill]

Yes, i mean the delay.

[potent pivot]

There’s no reason to Catalyst wpvp gear

[lone anvil]

Can you explain. Because I just explained how you can get higher av iLvl

Using bloody for tier

[potent pivot]

Should be able to Catalyst 4 conquest pieces in line with the charges

[lone anvil]

Yes I'm not denying that

[potent pivot]

Why would you waste charges on wpvp gear

That shouldn’t affect your total ilvl in that way if you’ve geared properly up to this point

[celest burrow]

I used wpvp stuff on my cloak, belt and now boots not sure how much I have left atm but at some point it might become useless lol

[potent pivot]

It does eventually

It all gets phased out

[wintry dew]

Im thinking about the crafted items for pvp. Where are yall putting the 2x emb?

boots + ?

[celest burrow]

I just did focusing lens since I have a friend who could easily make the neck/ring and lens and such.

[lime oar]

they need to stop pushing this reset back every hour

[potent pivot]

Bracers

I even crafted blue heraldry bracers at first just to embellish them

[celest burrow]

I have engineers bracers but I put them on neck and on ring so far

[orchid plinth]

Does it even matter where you put them?

[potent pivot]

Can’t put Duskthread on jewelry

[orchid plinth]

As long as you can put the thing you want

[potent pivot]

Depends on the embellishment

[celest burrow]

I used FL though so yeah 🙂

[potent pivot]

Yes I can read

[celest burrow]

Nice lol

[lone anvil]

So youre in all PvP epics and don't have any free bloody tokens?

I know you can get 4 pieces of tier with conquest that was never the point of almy argument. Whether you use conquest or bloody you get the tier 4 PC. However if you use bloody tokens on gear that allows you to spend your conquest on crafted gear or other things like trinkets. Allowing you to have an over all higher average item level

Rather than just having bloody tokens sitting around collecting dust

Isn't that better overall?

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so no

Didn’t we already go over this once before? :p

If you use a wpvp piece on tier it might put u ahead like 1 total ilvl for 1 week

It’s just not worth

Tier set barely matters in pvp either way, so it’s better to just use the max ilvl piece to get it

[lone anvil]

And tier bonus doesn't matter because the tier bonus is nerfed/dampened for PvP?

[lone anvil]

Why is this 🤔

[potent pivot]

Yeah because the tier bonuses are nerfed in pvp

[last jasper]

Why bother if you only can get 3p

[violet zephyr]

Because teir set is shit most of the time for pvp

Main stats are always better

Like who the flip wants haste as a sub rogue

This season it looks decent for sub but most of the pieces don't have vers mas

And from last season the crafted t3 gear was better than the conquest gear in alot of slots

[lone anvil]

So if tier is so shit why are we so concerned with using a max iLvl pieces with catalyst?

And if max stats is the answer you maximize stats more by utilizing bloody tokens and conquest

Rather than sitting in greens

[violet zephyr]

Alot of people in here don't the gold and time to soccet and enchant multiple sets of gear

Like I have 3 bloody tokens peices but thats cause I'm min maxing everything and it will eventually get replaced

When we get more ribbons

[potent pivot]

like i already said, it would only put you ahead for like a week

[violet zephyr]

Most people aren't pushing for glad like month 1 ya know so it doesn't really apply to them

[potent pivot]

it's pointless either way

all wpvp will get replaced eventually so why waste a catalyst charge on it

[violet zephyr]

So I'm legit wasting enchants and sockets on those bloody tokens pieces

[tribal badger]

i mean depends how poor u are

3 ilvls isnt gunna make a big diff in the grand scheme

[violet zephyr]

Exactly

[tribal badger]

on my alts i usually wear the wmode gear until the next season

since its usually only a couple pieces at 3 ilvl a piece

but obviously big slots ud never wanna wear all season

weapons or big stat slots

i aint crafting a 3 ilvl cloak or ring on an alt tho

[lone anvil]

I don't understand this argument eventually everyone will be sitting on 7 extra catalyst anyways

[potent pivot]

because if you catalyst a wpvp piece it only puts you 1 week ahead on 1 slot. but you're wasting 2 weeks waiting on another catalyst charge

there's just no reason to do it

[violet zephyr]

Dude if ur wearing the entire tier set ur trolling anyway why is this even a discussion

[outer sky]

@potent pivot I have 639 with BiS stats in every slot besides neck, rings, trinkets, cloak, and weapons. Weapons I have the 639 conq weapons. Cloak I have the 636 wpvp one. Neck, rings, and trinkets are all 626. I'll have 4 heraldries after I cap this week. What should I make/buy?

[violet zephyr]

The neck

[potent pivot]

not true

[potent pivot]

i'd do rings

[violet zephyr]

For sub ? It's gotta be

[potent pivot]

he plays sin

[violet zephyr]

Haste on like 3 of the pieces

[potent pivot]

pretty sure

[lone anvil]

I'm sin yeee

[outer sky]

Yeah sin

[potent pivot]

and even for sub i don't think tier set is trolling

[violet zephyr]

Oh sry

We will see but nahj and whaz aren't fans so far

Atleast for the sub 4 set

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

it can be "not bis" without being trolling

[violet zephyr]

Ur right I applied my perception of anything but bis is trolling accidentally

[potent pivot]

but ye i'd craft a ring, not sure we want crafted neck yet

[tribal badger]

this is why outlaw gearing is the best

who needs crafted gear

50% vers is the goal bois

[potent pivot]

some people play multiple specs on 1 char

[tribal badger]

well i guess i do use engi crafted gear but i do that myself xd

[violet zephyr]

I just change my weapon and trinket for assassin and rip games

[tribal badger]

(shame about outlaw the spec tho)

[violet zephyr]

Sub low key feels so shit rn with all these hpals

[tribal badger]

isnt that every rogue spec

is any rogue specs "good" into hpal

[lone anvil]

What are "medals of conquest"

[violet zephyr]

Free honor

[granite herald]

Kotmogu Blitz pains me so, Rogues got high scores while hunters don't pick orbs up at all

[celest burrow]

@granite herald I might be wrong but rogues are generally not the best orb carriers? (I get that "any" are better than "none".)

[warped gate]

A lot of our cool shit comes from stealth, so I feel like a sitting duck with the orb.

Outside of Blitz, I’m usually almost always the top person with Victory Points because no one else wants to grab it, and standing in a corner works entirely too well against people who have actual pulses.

It’s usually that one guy on the enemy team who’s on to you and keeps coming over and over again.

And he’s prolly cursing everyone out in /bg chat for not going after the fucking rogue with the orb.

[tribal badger]

yea i mean unless my team was total garbage i wouldnt take the orb as law

what on earth r u going to do with that damage amp

u cant maintain AR without vanishes, u cant do ur biggest "burst" without vanishes

and u dont even do burst anyway so xd

good at living with it i guess

[granite herald]

They aren't and i know they ain't but when nobody is picking it up it feels too wrong to not try to at that point

[lone anvil]

I think this is the right answer

[celest burrow]

Yeah I hear you, gotta pick it up or no chance to win

[lone anvil]

There's more ideal carriers absolutely

But a sub par carrier is better than no carrier

100% of the time

As an assassination rogue that map is my least fave by far

[lone anvil]

For me the frustration comes from when you pick up the orb and 3 enemies meet you with resistance immediately afterwards and you don't make it back to your team you just get cleaved on spor

Spot*

[steel scarab]

Rogues shouldn't orb-carry in Kotmogu. See exhibit A, attached

We are not orb-carriers. We are murderers.

[celest burrow]

Problem is if we follow that "rule", we could end up based on RNG and bad teammates, losing most of our games instead of winning "some" of them 🙂

[stoic spruce]

tbf this moreso really works for assa and maybe sub

because of dps cooldowns

fun fact

kir blows in pvp

B)

I hate it here

blows in arena

big uptime in bgs

[misty imp]

What stats do I want on my gear?

for Sin

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[misty imp]

Ooo thanks

[stoic spruce]

missing pvp vault

[waxen meteor]

run into someone in skirmish 600 games in solo, and 200 in solo bg...

this guy works hard

but typical me leap me die

[quaint cedar]

sorry dumb question but do we have enough catalyst charges for 4 pc yet?

[outer sky]

I just 6-0'd a mage/devoker lobby

[wanton breach]

hope you disarmed em

[waxen meteor]

NO

[stoic spruce]

NO

RAHHHHH

[warped gate]

Looking at the top Shuffle rogues and it seems some just said fuck it to Haste and went full Vers.

[tribal badger]

ya sounds pretty awful as outlaw

losing out on 10% of ur gcds during AR

[warped gate]

So you think it’s them doing well despite that, and they don’t got some secret sauce?

[smoky garnet]

I’ve played rogue casually off and on for years. However, I never played it in arena “seriously “. Currently 1760 in SS as assassin and feel stuck. How often do you offensively vanish? I feel like I do it too often. I also can never get a re stealth for some reason. Always stuck in combat. Do you dot healers at all with bleeds? Just focus on cleaving two? Who do you kidney usually?

Feel like I just suck at rogue but I wanna stick it out

[potent pivot]

if you have dots ticking into singular focus you'll be stuck in combat

[tribal badger]

yes i think its them doing well despite that

outlaw damage is pretty bad in arena rn anyway so maybe optimizing ur stats doesnt even matter that much

ur basically just playing a worse variant of sub rogue with some fun toys rn

[quaint cedar]

I don't really feel like outlaw damage is bad in arena

[tribal badger]

really feels like if i set up a perfect crackshot go im doing half of what sub would do in their dance go

only time im on the meters if im getting effective 3 target BF cleave

but if targets r letting u do that sin would also eat them alive

and it has better ST kill pressure

[plucky sage]

still duskthread for embelllish or is there an update

!embellishment

[quaint cedar]

All 3 specs had representation in AWC. I think they are all decently close together still, though sub and assa are a bit better. I've not really had much trouble keeping up in damage personally, except into certain matchups.

[tribal badger]

didnt one team play law

did they win with the law

i remember the casters going "why are they picking law for this comp over either other spec"

and i agreed

[quaint cedar]

Yeah Dazed played law

[tribal badger]

but i guess we had a tiny bit of representation

[quaint cedar]

Better than 0

And yeah even if sub is only 2% better you're going to have skewed representation. That's just how it is in tournaments. The fact that outlaw was played at all is probably a good indication that it isn't as bad as everyone dooms over.

[tribal badger]

ok so im not misremembering

the outlaw rogue got 2/0d in the finals and did like half the damage of anyone else on the other team and less damage then the arcane mage being trained both games

idk man

ur just

a worse sub rogue rn

even the sustain doesnt feel like its there

better then sub sustain i guess

[quaint cedar]

tbh I was confused as to why they brought outlaw against that comp specifically. Aff and assa are a nightmare for outlaw to deal with. You have 0 uptime

[tribal badger]

ya maybe a comfort pick over sub

[quaint cedar]

and therefore no damage

[tribal badger]

and very tanky but

never had real kill pressure

playing vs a rot comp

who u arent gunna beat on mana

very strange pick

[quaint cedar]

Even so we only get to see the top 6 teams against each other. We don't know how much that team played outlaw in the games that were off stream

He's been playing it on ladder though so it wasn't just a yolo pick. They must have done it for a reason

Can't imagine his team would have done it if outlaw was just completely terrible

[tribal badger]

it looked pretty bad in the games they played on stream but yea idk

pvpers r not exactly known for always picking pure optimal setups vs comforts/what they believe is best so

could just like law more then sub and all rogue specs r viable at top end of ladder

even if law was the weakest

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I'm not arguing that law isn't likely the weakest of the 3. But that also doesn't mean it's bad or not viable

[tribal badger]

i think the biggest hit was the loss of acro

so hard to keep uptime vs a ton of casters with it gone

[stoic spruce]

cant even hit mages outside the ring of frost anymore

[quaint cedar]

Until Blizzard changes something with the rogue specs the weakest of the 3 will always have horrible representation because all 3 generally offer the same strengths and weaknesses. It's not like in SL when all 3 had really distinct identities.

So if 1 of the 3 is 2% weaker than the others no one will ever play it

Doesn't mean it's bad though

But yeah, agreed. One of the biggest challenges right now is trying to maintain uptime. Roots and slows are out of control and losing acro really sucks

One adjustment I've been trying to make that has helped is saving my vanishes for the billions of roots and snares that get tossed my way instead of just sending them randomly. That helps a lot with uptime, but even so sometimes you're just going to get screwed

[worthy crag]

Thats the case for pure dps classes in general

[quaint cedar]

Yup

[worthy crag]

unless one is heavily specialized for damp vs setup like fire vs frost

but yeah, pretty rare case

[broken otter]

Why are people using crafted dagger just in the MH and conq dagger in the OH, conq dagger doesn't have Mastery (subtlety)

[tribal badger]

because they got a weapon for free from the achievement which lets them spend the conq theyd need to spend to craft another dagger on actual gear slots

mh vs oh doesnt matter all that matters for mh is ilvl

[broken otter]

Okay, so I should just craft the MH and use the remainder of the crafting tokens on another piece of crafted gear like boots?

I just got my 9 tokens

I picked up my Rogue today

[tribal badger]

i dont think u can craft two weapons with 9 tokens

so

[broken otter]

Yeah but I bought one token

cause my mage took 10 for the staff so I was gonna go for 10 for MH/OH

[tribal badger]

yea ud spend the rest on something else

just more efficient

[broken otter]

Word.

Thank you

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't use tokens on dagger at all

[quaint cedar]

yeah weapon costs 5 tokens each

[potent pivot]

people that have crafted dagger, crafted it week 1 of the season

[tribal badger]

(u could also just use the achievment weapons)

[potent pivot]

just use the 2 free conq weps from the achievement

[broken otter]

I won't have those for awhile though

[potent pivot]

get them

[broken otter]

Cause I've only earned like 400 conq so far

[potent pivot]

earn more

[broken otter]

:3

[quaint cedar]

it goes by pretty fast

[potent pivot]

like even for alts right now that's the first thing you do

[quaint cedar]

I got my feral druid weapons already and have barely played it

[potent pivot]

earn conquest to cap for free weapons

[broken otter]

Okay

[tribal badger]

dont forget to do warmode crates

[broken otter]

I'll just craft gear then

[tribal badger]

they spawn like every 20m and u can loot as many of them as u like now

[broken otter]

Thanks, guys

[tribal badger]

no more lockout

60 conq a pop

[broken otter]

Oh shit really?

[tribal badger]

pretty nice

yuuuuup

[broken otter]

I didnt know they werent locked anymore

[tribal badger]

same until like 2 days ago

[broken otter]

I looted one an hour ago

[tribal badger]

now i go for every1

very worth

[broken otter]

So for embelish we still use focusing lens just on a piece of gear?

murlok is saying lens and duskthread lining

[stoic spruce]

someone come funnel me kills plz

[potent pivot]

can just do duskthread x2

[broken otter]

Okay

[rotund mountain]

any new thoughts on conq head v eng gog'

[warped gate]

First time getting this much rage.

Dude started the Shuffle with, "lets do some damage rogue" on a round that I did weak damage but still won in.

So after we lost and next round I smacked him up, I started the round with, "lets do some heals priest".

Then he afked the match and then the above happened.

[potent pivot]

[safe pelican]

Hooray for spending +75k gold on 5 enchants 🤓

[warped gate]

Wait..

[safe pelican]

Gotta make sure you flex on the poors with the matching double lvl 3 radiant power enchants yktv

[warped gate]

Did you delete the PM's?

[potent pivot]

Indeed

Not to downplay it or anything, the person was being a complete asshat

But the things said were also phrases that are auto filtered in this server

[warped gate]

Which was that? The self-deletion stuff?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

eksdee

even my insults are milder

[vocal ginkgo]

Is this a common thing? A healer just said that to me too after we won a round lol

Cool I wont cc and just do dmg then

[potent pivot]

You playing sub?

[vocal ginkgo]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

It’s very misunderstood that when sub is good it still doesn’t show up on the damage meter

Sub is almost never going to show high dps on details and non rogues don’t understand that

[vocal ginkgo]

Lol

[waxen meteor]

how many craft badge we need for the ring

[potent pivot]

Check on the crafting order npc

Iirc it’s 4

[potent pivot]

Yeah sub only does real damage during burst windows

But make sure you’re keeping ruptures up where possible

Rupture does a lot of dam

[warped gate]

Oof.

[potent pivot]

You should be able to do around 400k dps most arena matches

[warped gate]

This is at least a first for me.

[potent pivot]

Sometimes less, sometimes more

[hidden moth]

#showtooltip Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast [harm, nodead] sap
/stopattack
i cannot get this macro to work any tips

[potent pivot]

Should work

[hidden moth]

it targets one target, then it doesnt drop at all

even if im looking toward a different target or am closer to someone else

[potent pivot]

That’s basically the same thing I use for stealthy sap

[hidden moth]

does it only work for stealthy sap or all saps

[potent pivot]

Should work for all saps but weird positioning might fuck with it

But it should be clearing target and retargeting

[jolly sierra]

ask him is he is stupid or something

everyone and their grandmas knew subs almost never top dmg meters in pvp

[hidden moth]

yeah its not clearing

also tips for defense in shuffle? im 1800 mmr and in my 4th shuffle ever

only did some pvp stuff in like tbc/wotlk classic on rogue

im playing assass

[potent pivot]

Keep up good offensive pressure and utilize your CC

[vague comet]

do i just use my conq on basic glad gear for the rest of it?

[hidden moth]

so like opener, cheap, ambush, garote, rupture, snd, shiv+tea, mark,mut, mut, crim temp/envenom based on if im in a cleave

and step healer for blind/kidneys

or should i save kidneys for kill target

[potent pivot]

You can double garrote for a longer duration improved garrote

And you can ambush later

[worthy crag]

do ppl even have slots left to buy with bloody?

unless they are going for non mast pieces

just for ilvl

[potent pivot]

You can kidney whatever works best

[potent pivot]

If geared correctly since week 1, nah

[hidden moth]

gotcha, and am i just multidoting?

[jolly sierra]

played against 2 dks and a fury warr

ended 3-3, idk how tf the bad dk won a round

he even had adapt trinket

[hidden moth]

this is the damage profile of last round @potent pivot

[hybrid rapids]

I understand that shadow blades makes it so I can pretty much use one builder and then a finisher back and forth, so I know when you don't have shadow blades you would have to build up points to do the finishers, but my question was aiming more to is there any set patterns for when I don't have shadow blades? Or do I just backstab/shadow strike til I can use my finishers or is there a deeper thought to it

[jolly sierra]

and was fkn stupid dude

cuz broke all my ccs

even when he has distance from the healer

broke my blind and my panda gouge

[potent pivot]

yes and press fok more

[hidden moth]

why fok

is that just for aoe no?

[potent pivot]

Costs less energy

Spreads poisons

Etc

[vocal ginkgo]

What should I be focusing on when I’m not stealthed and not able to stealth for a while as a sub rogue during arenas?

[hidden moth]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

2 or more targets

[potent pivot]

Cycling through finishers for dance CDR, keeping ruptures up, CCing people, etc

[hidden moth]

idk why i thought go to was mut spam

[jolly sierra]

im angry af

fkn dk

[potent pivot]

Yeah pretty much since DF sin has been a lot of fok spam

Back in SL it was mostly mut

[hidden moth]

interesting

[potent pivot]

Idk how dk keeps dodging nerfs

But I ain’t complaining

[hybrid rapids]

If it's worth anything, you can also fok while disarmed but you can't mut while disarmed

[jolly sierra]

im complaining cuz he messed up both of my 2m biggest ccs

[potent pivot]

Oof

My dk has practically become my main this season

[jolly sierra]

nice for u

i think can push 1k8 but now barely have time xddd

[hidden moth]

we figure out if we are using crafted wep? and/or what off piece we arnt using for tier?

[potent pivot]

Yes we’re going to use crafted weapons but that’ll be the very last thing we do

Not sure about the tier helm vs gloves, I’m pretty sure that one’s going to be preference

[hidden moth]

gotcha, murlok io shows people buying conq helm

so what do i craft?

[potent pivot]

boots/bracers/rings

[hidden moth]

i legit am only in honor/blood token geazr

[outer sky]

It's all so situational. I'll answer your questions in unison.

1. I offensively vanish all the time. It's rare I vanish defensively, actually.

2. There's a lot of stealth bugs right now. The big one is the deathstalker hero talent Singular Focus putting us back in combat every time it deals damage.

3. Im always trying to DoT as many people at possible. The only time I don't bother dotting the healer is if I'm playing with a mage or hunter that I know will just sheep or trap them all off. However, don't feel like you have to always go out of your way to dot the healer. Do it when it feels natural to.

4. Generally I kidney healers if I can. But if I can't I'll kidney the dps instead of just sitting on the stun DR for too long. Obviously I kidney the DPS if I'm going for a smoke bomb kill. I'll also kidney the dps on their offensive CDs sometimes if it feels like they're getting too much pressure out of them just to relieve that a bit.

[potent pivot]

get the daggers from the achievement

[outer sky]

Guys look at this lol

[potent pivot]

yep

[outer sky]

Mages trolling everyone so much they had to hot fix

[hidden moth]

ur welcome

[potent pivot]

it's not fixed yet i think

[hidden moth]

i have many a pictures of me blocking the ah

[potent pivot]

Xaryu blocked off the vault as soon as servers came up today

[hybrid rapids]

Wait so we only use 2 piece set? Is what I'm getting from the convo, or do we go for 4 piece set? Cause I can go for 4 piece next reset but I haven't seen people with it yet

[jolly sierra]

that is banneable i think

[potent pivot]

nah

[jolly sierra]

cuz it disrupts gameplay

[hidden moth]

next reset we dont have enough converter tokens

[potent pivot]

i think sub is the only spec going 2set atm

[jolly sierra]

its like stoling a credit for the chicken egg in old tirisfal and westfall quests

[potent pivot]

for like 10 seconds or something

[outer sky]

It doesn't really seem like a big deal. It's a 90s CD and it only lasts 15s.

People can't wait 15s? Lol

[jolly sierra]

its still griefing tho

[potent pivot]

it'd only get you banned if you did it with like 10 mages

it's not griefing lol

[jolly sierra]

i once got a guy banned because he stole the egg from the /chicken quest in westfall

and ran away shortly after

[jolly sierra]

if that doesnt counts as griefing idk what is

[potent pivot]

reporting ppl for minor inconveniences is just weird

[hybrid rapids]

I already have 3, 2 from weekly reset 1 from 1600 achievement thats why im asking

[jolly sierra]

same as reporting for undercutting in crafting orders

[outer sky]

Back in BFA right when the mission table was about to go active for the first time I got on my Tauren druid and used the toy that makes me huge then hopped on my grand Yak mount and afk'd on top of the mission table so nobody could click it. It was hilarious

[jolly sierra]

xdd

but happens

[hidden moth]

it was fun while it lasted

what embelishments should i take

[potent pivot]

duskthread x2

[hidden moth]

ringx2 duskthread cool

[potent pivot]

iirc duskthread has to be on leather pieces

not weapons/jewelry

[hidden moth]

u right

so everyother piece i have is bloodtoken outside boots/jewelry. do i just craft boots and belt?

er u said boots+wrist

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[hidden moth]

tehn buy helm+ chest with conq

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't buy conq helm yet

can get shoulders and Catalyst them into tier

can get free tier legs from 1.6k rating

[hidden moth]

i did that so i have only spentt 700/3400 conq still have my 9 craft tokens

and have free legs

[potent pivot]

then buy chest

[outer sky]

I really don't get the big deal. It's only 15 seconds

[potent pivot]

craft boots/bracers with duskthread on them

you can buy more Heraldries with conquest to craft rings

[hidden moth]

cloak glove, belt, wrist are token and i have 550 bt left

[hidden moth]

so craft boot/bracer and 2x rings

[potent pivot]

we're done with wpvp gear already

you can just craft 1 ring for rn and keep using the honor vers/mast one as well if you want

[hidden moth]

then assume still buy conq chest

[potent pivot]

yes

[vague comet]

@potent pivot I have 1 crafted ring, should i get glad ring or craft a helmet? (currently an honor one)

[potent pivot]

don't think we want conq ring but not sure

we kinda have to get some vers from somewhere

as assa you kinda need more vers than you do as sub

[vague comet]

i am doing more sub nowadays but yeah im playing both

[potent pivot]

n i'm still not sure what helm we're going

once everyone has 4set i'll know

[vague comet]

so ring would be a safer bet? lol

i only have 600 points this week

it's either ring/insignia or crafted helm

[potent pivot]

up to your personal preference tbh

[vague comet]

guess i ll get a ring with double gems since im not using any on my green one

[hidden moth]

we rock 5% dr meta ye?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

it doesn't tell you the amount unless you have one badge in inventory...

this is kinda dumb..

[vocal ginkgo]

Has anyone tried both sub and assassination lately? Which one do you prefer for pvp, specially solo shuffle

[hidden moth]

ring/neck 3

[waxen meteor]

ok, 3 is good

4 is a bit too expensive

[potent pivot]

it's the same amount of conquest as it is on vendor man

[hidden moth]

legit the tokens are 175 each. crafting it costs the same conq as straight buying it

[potent pivot]

for every item

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's what i want to make sure

[hidden moth]

so a chest pants helm 5 token, boots belt gloves 4 etc

eitehr way its free tokens

vers mast for the stats ye

[potent pivot]

Ye

[hidden moth]

fuck, idk why i thought wrist was 4, i bought 2 more tokens for the ring but im now 1 over and cant sell it back. do i just hold it or craft neck or sum

[potent pivot]

Holding it won’t do much harm

It’s only 175 conq and you’ll need more eventually

[hidden moth]

true, where it stands now after i buy chest i will have 1475 conq and 1 heraldry before next tuesday

[waxen meteor]

for chest, do we do the agg+running speed or bigger agi

[potent pivot]

Just agi

[waxen meteor]

Roger

[vague comet]

kinda hit a wall on 1.8 in solos, wondering what im doing wrong

[indigo hill]

Hit players instead of walls. 👍

[last jasper]

Top are 2.2. So I wouldn’t stress much

[vague comet]

Playing with 140 ping Def fucks me a lot

[stoic spruce]

well

had a good week off

unfortunately its time for me to get back on that work grind

I'll miss WoW :/

[wintry dew]

We'll miss you popo

[ocean thunder]

comps matter a lot. if lobbies stack, then you are king, every time (almost) healer is close you use vanish/meld and stun / impr garrote everyone and then healer is under tremendous pressure.
If lobby is not stacked at all, it's much harder.
Hard to help in just a post tho but yeah, i was stuck in 1800 for a long while too

[ocean thunder]

most people go ascendance and writhing to double its effect, right? that's what i see at least

[hidden moth]

yeah legit #1 shuffle na is 2300 exactly

[tender ember]

yea, tho that might change into double focusing lens- cos this is what was played in tournament

[molten hedge]

I’m Assa. I have conquest/warmonger/crafted gear in every slot but green head/trinkets. I am at conq cap with around 1125 conq. Idk if I should make one crafted wep with embellishment or get another piece. Here’s my armory: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/the-forgotten-coast/minervae

[lavish gorge]

what are the worst matchups against rogue right now?

[lone anvil]

Worst for who?

Worst for rogues to perform well against or worst for their sake cause rogues fuck em up?

[lavish gorge]

the former 🙂

actually honestly, both why not :v

[gaunt elk]

is it just me or does resto druid just feel like better rogue in 2s? x)

[molten hedge]

I seem to do well into warriors. Not well into sub rogues or any ranged that’s highly mobile like frost mage/devoker. I recently tried fatebound into those two specifically and had a lot more uptime with the free steps. As far as healers, hpala is the worst. Getting my bleeds off so often rly hurts especially in wizard lobbies where it’s hard enough to keep bleeds up on multiple

I play mostly shuffle so that’s my perspective

[hidden moth]

as ass, do i just not go on dev? i cant interact with it at all. immune to slow while slowing me 80% cant be silenced or kicked. people keep throwing them precog as well

@potent pivot figured the sap macro out, its bc i had clear target at the top and not bottom

[indigo hill]

Dev has just to much up time on hover. I think if they only get 1 hover they will be easier to deal with.

[hidden moth]

yeah vs hover being what 30 second cd with it being 25 bc of their buff, then it lasts 10 seconds so its like hover, hover 2min cd hover again, then hover off cd so 40 seconds of hover, not to mention shroud and scales

[dapper chasm]

All macros seem funky as hell now

/cancelaura not working properly and targeting macros are ignoring conditionals

[spring bough]

Bout to pvp when I get home like I never played before 😂

[hidden moth]

shuffle vs feral frost hpal, do we just run at hpal? its me on asss, a fury war and a disc priest

bleeds kept being boped off, couldnt kill in opener and was unable to restealth outside 2 vanish and smeld

[somber thunder]

question for rogue assas, why no kingsbane ?

[surreal barn]

Maybe your UI is bogging it down

Time to go stock

[hidden moth]

i see people take it in blitz sometimes

[somber thunder]

so how do i set up burst/kill potential

[snow mesa]

got my bee >:)

[dapper chasm]

My UI is lighter than air

Your UI is, much like yo mama, fat

[sweet swallow]

do ya'll have your badge trinket macrod in anywhere

[jolly sierra]

hits like a noodle

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-i-deliver-a-message-slap-gif-19698733

[dull bridge]

kingsbane was literally played in awc finals

[jolly sierra]

just a pick

as assa main

just hits like a noodle

[halcyon timber]

Shut it! Great movie

[spring bough]

Say that to someone in game. Bet it’s a reportable statement LMFAOOO

[dull bridge]

drakes build for the last game

[jolly sierra]

DTB

fuck

yeah

its unconvencional

wouldnt say is the standard choice

[spring bough]

If it works it works 🤷‍♂️

[jolly sierra]

sure thing

but losing zoldyck and AC is still a huge deal

he even picked the envenom poison

that is most for pve

[spring bough]

Maybe my guys hitting Milly plus envenoms like it’s his job

[jolly sierra]

maybe

but as standard for assa

usually ppl picks IC and AC as capstones

and the build is mostly AOE based

[sweet swallow]

do ya'll macro your offensive trinket into anything?

[jolly sierra]

KB is just picked when as an alternative when you cant bring them together

[nova viper]

seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

tbh KB become very underwhelming after DF

would expect tunings

maybe

[potent pivot]

Some ppl do but it’s not worth

[potent pivot]

Mine is at the top idk

[halcyon timber]

Dunno if KB would as peoples big hits are 1.7 - 2.9 (engulf from evoker) as an example. Surely KB does something in that ball park no? No shot it will do some 40% of max life

Aug throwing out constant 1.7M hits in a blitz is also very big no no words that will tick you off

[dull bridge]

df deals a lot of damage still

just not with the initial hit like it did

[halcyon timber]

Yeah so it probably is still nasty

[dull bridge]

which is weird because i dont think it received any tuning

[halcyon timber]

Only thing was it was capped iirc

[jolly sierra]

yeah is most in the dot

but even w the final DF nerf it hitted hard

to do a decent enough amount

[halcyon timber]

Its relative to life pools

As every expansion is

[jolly sierra]

look, ppl w that kind of cds can do like 2m dmg

[halcyon timber]

Its not going to 40% someone and no attack should

[jolly sierra]

KB hits like 900k

for a min cd

in the initial hit

personally to be a staple again would pick it if it hits like 1.5m min

else it is just an alternative

[halcyon timber]

Need some hard data primo

What does the dot truly end up being combined with that?

[jolly sierra]

can u keep it the full uptime?

[halcyon timber]

Uptime/ psns exacerbating it yadda yadda . Caps at 1M % or something like that no?

[potent pivot]

Depends how much you amp it

[halcyon timber]

So a variable ability

[potent pivot]

Anywhere from 2m to 5m

[jolly sierra]

depends how much can u envenom

if snd is active

and shiv is too

[halcyon timber]

Hmm sounds potent still

[potent pivot]

Depends on if you do it during Deathmark as well

And if you double Tea

And badge etc

[jolly sierra]

that is not a good idea tho

remember even ppl is picking insignia rn

as assa

xd

[potent pivot]

If you take kb you kinda want badge

[halcyon timber]

So nothing “needs” to be done to it. More of the picture needed to be painted there.

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

Well the instant damage was the main reason we took it

[jolly sierra]

trickz disapproved

[potent pivot]

It shouldn’t do as much as it used to

[jolly sierra]

that is what i said xd

[potent pivot]

But it feels kinda weak

No one in their right mind is double shiv’ing and using double tea on 1 kb

Taking the entire length of the dot to do 5m dmg is kinda whatever

[potent pivot]

The finals are over a month away :d

[halcyon timber]

Im all for generators smacking hard and agree. Just something would be traded once again to shift that.

[potent pivot]

I’d gladly trade bleed damage to make generators hit harder

[jolly sierra]

its way too much sacrifice in a moment for something u can do normally in the entire run

i would rather prefer be slow and dampening hard than using all my stuff in a moment

[halcyon timber]

Generators have to be impactful, across all content

[potent pivot]

Mut and ambush should hit as hard as outlaws strike/ambush bare minimum imo

[halcyon timber]

Does it with VV ?

Genuine question

[potent pivot]

Not really

[halcyon timber]

Frick

[potent pivot]

There’s a way to juice ambush but it’s not constant

VV+lingering darkness and some other stuff iirc

But they cost too much energy compared to fok even before VV so it’s just tuned horribly

[halcyon timber]

I dig talents to do that

[molten hedge]

Fatebound. Take free shadowstep or 70% slow talent. Or just avoid

[hot ermine]

Is shadowstrike bugged in that it doesnt let me "shadow step" behind my target when i have Shadow Dance going

or is that intended

[halcyon timber]

That’s intended. Only does that from true stealth.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah sounds like IF they are planning to do anything, they will have a big ol deep dive on it as a whole.

[surreal barn]

Man my internet is so fucked

I’ll prob be able to play in a couple more weeks

[halcyon timber]

Yeh that flat out sux

[spring bough]

Time for starlink

[jolly sierra]

damn

seems like a lot of us has issues playing lol

[potent pivot]

Well hopefully you aren’t in any of the areas that got utterly destroyed

[surreal barn]

Ours did but it was mainly trees on every house

Not as bad as flooding

[potent pivot]

Some places got completely washed out

It’s pretty bad

[surreal barn]

Yep, that happened here too but afterwards when it came down river

More controlled

Nothing like Asheville

[potent pivot]

Think there’s a town in Tenn or SC that got completely washed out

Asheville yeah

Oh that’s NC isn’t it

[hidden moth]

creeping venom is so bad wtf

[potent pivot]

you have to keep envenoming for it to fully stack

but yeah we don't typically use it

[hidden moth]

it was just falling off

what pvp talents should i be taking

hemotox smoke bomb are pmuch locked but for the 3rd im swaping between dismantle if there isnt alot of wars/hunters for control is king

[potent pivot]

veil

[warped gate]

I used Death from Above to cuck a Druid’s Cyclone in Shuffle.

It’s a cool interaction and all but man, I dunno if it’s cool enough to take it every single match in an AWC like that other dude. Is his ability to read incoming CC just that legendary?

[runic trench]

do you guys use thiefs bargain

[potent pivot]

i don't like TB personally

some people run it tho

[warped gate]

I’m guessing that’s a non-Outlaw thing.

[runic trench]

its a sub thing im pretty sure

[hidden moth]

how does it stop cyclone

[potent pivot]

the same way meld stops cyclone

sorta

when you're midair during DfA you immune CC n shit

[hidden moth]

interesting

[potent pivot]

but yeah you should be swapping into Veil into certain shit as well

[proud vortex]

Same like all the fucking dh jump skills

I hate that mdf

😡

[hidden moth]

like just ass rogue feral and war?

[hidden moth]

u gotta take a pvp talent for that

[proud vortex]

:0

Didnt know

[hidden moth]

glimpse pvp talent

when u retreat u are immune to cc and take 35% dr till u touch ground again

[potent pivot]

and can use it vs warr

can drop bomb/hemo into certain warr comps

[proud vortex]

I will delete that talent with my fist

😡

[hidden moth]

takes skill to time it lol

[hidden moth]

so like best talent to take dismantle and veil?

[potent pivot]

vs some warr comps yeah

like if it's double melee warr you can sometimes drop Bomb

if it's warr/casters can drop Hemo

[hidden moth]

thought u took hemo and bomb always

[potent pivot]

for the most part yeah

[warped gate]

Meanwhile in Outlaw land we always take Enduring Brawler and Take Your Cut and only have one talent to play around with.

[potent pivot]

but you can drop them into things where they won't be as useful

[hidden moth]

but in blitz, its just like veil yeah?

when did cloak become 2 min cd anyways i remember it being 1 min

[potent pivot]

blitz is kinda w/e you want

you'll see so many different classes that you'll be able to make use of any of them

you kinda want Bomb

so kinda just picking between disarm/veil for blitz

[vocal surge]

Man

I am getting swamped in homework lol

14 homework assignments from 1 class

every other class is like 6 assignments

need... pvp... practice...

[hidden moth]

i got my chest, and am now sitting on 1k conq what next @potent pivot I still have a crafted token

[potent pivot]

what all do you have now

post a ss

[hidden moth]

see so i asked and adhd said f it grabed helm

[potent pivot]

i prolly would've bought dps trinket

[hidden moth]

thought trinkets were the last thing we went for?

[potent pivot]

naw

dps trinket is a decent mid gearing buy

more agi on proc

[hidden moth]

gotcha, i have 600 conq left to drop

prob will fill out the 2nd crafted ring, then save rest for trinket next week

[merry robin]

is elemental focusing lens proccing on rupture when we're re-stealthed and taking us out of stealth?

[potent pivot]

singular focus

if you have a Deathmarked target and Rupture ticking on another NONmarked target

[hidden moth]

Also thoughts on symbnolic victrory vs lingering darkness

[potent pivot]

SV is okay, LD is just better usually

[hidden moth]

gotcha

i keep seeing people take sv for shuffle

[vocal ginkgo]

What should my opener/burst be for assassination?

[jolly sierra]

hope i have more time to push smoothly SS

damn

im barely at like 600 CR atm

[potent pivot]

Shuffle has been kinda weird

Get to 1.8k fast but the mmr is capped so low compared to other brackets

[hidden moth]

when the #1 player in ss isnt even 2400

yeah thats an issue js

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

are we repeating S3 again?