pvp

[outer sky]

lol

[wanton breach]

he's got a point

[forest compass]

hi guys is sub rogu much better tahn asa/

[candid tide]

they both very good

but sub edges it with more survivability imo

[forest compass]

detahstalker or trickster for sub/

[candid tide]

every top rog is running deathstalker

[warped gate]

Is it ever worth taking Shiv in Shuffle?

[candid tide]

not sure but ima copy whaazz shiv build and test it out

[tender ember]

what is whazz shiv build xD

[warped gate]

Had a Fury Warrior just do too many Fury Warrior things and was wondering if it was worth to build against him.

[celest tusk]

Are they legit removing Shadowdust next patch 11.0.5?if yes thats a massive nerf

[safe pelican]

Yes , that’s why we are all enjoying the last of sub before the inevitable re-roll that is looming ahead.

Enjoy it while it last

[celest tusk]

Dafaq..

Rip

[wintry dew]

those have been announced a while ago now

[indigo hill]

If sub doesn't work for you. There is always outlaw. A good old fashioned pirate with a crackshot machine gun.

[celest tusk]

Just read them..so they force us assa..cba outlaw xD

[runic trench]

is it easier to hit 1600 on solo shuffle

or bgb

[outer sky]

It's semi auto at best with good rng

[vague comet]

so i installed diminish and it's showing me this shit on the left (and at the same DRs on top) how do I get rid of the left square anyone knows?

[lone anvil]

🥵🥵🥵🥵

[lone anvil]

Probably bgb u less you're just ass at BGs and awesome at shuffle

I got 1600 in bgb in two days and I'm ass

[misty imp]

Going from rbg to regular ones is night and day. I'll never talk shit in rated again lol

[orchid plinth]

The top one looks like the Addon "Diminish" and the left one is probably a WeakAura.

[lone anvil]

Bro 100%

People complain about how dumb everyone is in RBG

When I started doing rbg there was a noticeable difference in competence and effort. And yeah people are still dumb and lose game

[safe pelican]

It’s a great day to finish leveling that fury warrior you have sitting at the bottom of your alt list 😎

[vague comet]

@orchid plinth if i turn off diminish it turns off too

[orchid plinth]

Yes

Because the WeakAura uses the same "backend"

[vague comet]

nvm ur right, ty!

[orchid plinth]

Diminish includes a library called LibDR. If you disable Diminish you won't have the library and the WeakAura won't work. But the other way works. You can just disable the WA and use only Diminish.

[vague comet]

yeah, i figured

[lone anvil]

How did you find out about this POWER HOUSE

[warm tundra]

is there such thing as high ST dps in pvp or is it just burst and cleave

[vocal terrace]

assa has good sustained dps imo

[molten hedge]

In PvP, Fan of knives > Mutilate for Assa? Especially in 2+ targets bc of energy, damage, and extra combo points?

[lone anvil]

Theres a talent that makes your mutilate do 20% of its damage as bleed damage over like 8 seconds or something. I usually try and weave in some mutilates to keep that up, personally

but im also not the most giga chad rogue in here. so if someone who outranks me says thats dumb listen to them

[hollow carbon]

Y that talent is quite bad but have to take it for bone spike

[glacial aurora]

Do u guys overall like the state rogue is in? Would u support a full rework and overhaul of the classes design? Specifically sub and outlaw

[outer sky]

That talent is terrible. we only take it because we're forced to in order to get to bone spike. Here's what it did in an entire 6 round shuffle I just did and went 5-1 in

and this was into an all ranged lobby so I press mutilate more than usual

[molten hedge]

So basically fan of knives is way more valuable than mutilate in most scenarios? Had a multi glad assa rogue that told me he rarely presses mutilate unless he needs guaranteed 2 combo points in single target

[gusty hedge]

law could use some rework

[spiral spear]

Hello guys how are you, I’m gonna have guild PvP tournament where we gonna duel each other, what you guys think are best PvP talents or talents in general for 1 v 1

[lone anvil]

Kingsbane

Also I slot disarm when I'm dueling a warrior, hunter, rogue or DK or something like that

So I'd change things up based on who I'm fighting tbh

[lone anvil]

Yeah that's garbo lmao

[spiral spear]

@lone anvil right now my talent tree look like this, do you recon for 1 v 1 is better to go “lethality” and “cold blood” instead of “alacity” and “deeper stratagem”

So than on opener i would use cold blood i assume

I don’t think that alrcity gives me much in 1v1 🤔

[lone anvil]

I'm not sure. I can log in and we can test both in a duel

[spiral spear]

Sounds good

Im Dhukk-azjolnerub

@lone anvil well so with lethality na coldblood, also dagger in the dark PvP talent I did 1,2 m dps opener on training dummy xd

[lone anvil]

Guys in 3v3 why is the Comp always hunter + feral or rogue + lock/ rogue/mage

How come you don't see feral/lock or rogue/ hunter

Isn't feral just a rogue with other forms

I'm asking because my resto shaman friend and MM hunter friend want to run 3s with me. And on paper it seems strong. But I don't see rogue/hunter as much as I see jungle

[molten hedge]

People say feral is a better Assa rogue atm. I can see what they mean since bleeds are juiced and feral can go bear/clone/etc. but on the other hand rogue has the most cc and bc ur with mm, he can blast the kill target while u cc chain them to death. I say if you’re good on rogue just play it. Doesn’t matter what’s slightly better unless you’re looking for R1 you can make it work

[jolly sierra]

fkn hpals

[molten hedge]

But ya jungle is insane too

[orchid plinth]

Sub + MM was played by Kalvish team yesterday in AWC. It is played and known as "Thug cleave" just not as common as RMP etc.

[worthy crag]

what good mages does NA even have anymore that actually play rmx

[orchid plinth]

Kalvishmage

I am rooting for The Fellowship so hard lets go

[sour hearth]

hey can anyone prove rogue pvp macros looked everywhere couldnt find anything 😦

[candid tide]

whaazz playing

ez

[warm tundra]

whats the most dogshit solo shuffle rng you can have in this game?

like the absolute worst dps pair you can get

[jolly sierra]

warriors and dhs

because they are fucking stupid

[odd yew]

Any game with me, because I'm fucking stupid

[lime oar]

We need xar back 😭

[last jasper]

Echo is like playing lfg. Rolled over every team they met

[warped gate]

I kept getting done dirty by Fury Warriors.

Their damage is like how Demon Hunter’s damage used to be.

I asked this morning if Shiv was worth it to take off their enrage effects or something because I was at a loss.

[candid tide]

rarrrrrrgg123$!@#!

fk!

[warm tundra]

is it normal to be put in horde when playing bg blitz?

im alliance

[tribal badger]

i dont think bg blitz puts any pref to ur faction

u just get thrown on a random side, feel like ive been horde as often as ive been alliance

[hard orbit]

can you convert bloody token gear into set pieces?

or is it only conquest stuff

[tribal badger]

should be able to convert any elite level gear that isnt crafted

[lavish idol]

Am I gonna get grief playing as outlaw for solo RBGs?

[harsh kiln]

Absolutely not, and if you do. They're in the wrong. #normalizeplayingwhateveryouwant

[last jasper]

I mean it’s aright

[dull bridge]

the fuck is this

[tribal badger]

b i t e

[dull bridge]

incarn and dragonrage are just insane arent they

[indigo hill]

Any Outlaws here tried ditching Ghost and go for both Crack and Greenskin?

[stoic spruce]

Ghostly is locked in atm

Tried yes

Win no

[halcyon timber]

Shiv is and will always be a good tool to have.

[worthy crag]

the enrage mostly is a forgetful bonus unless ur vs a fury warr

[warped gate]

I’ve done like six of those fuckers and I’ve been Horde every single time for some reason.

[worthy crag]

I used to shiv the BM pets off of enrage but idk how relevant that is anymore

as sub/outlaw you can get use out of it putting up a guaranteed snare on the healer

like when priest pops fade to run at our enemy healer you just shiv as soon as the fade is over

[warped gate]

Copy, I gotcha. I ask because I when I first started I looked up top Outlaws and not a single one had it.

[worthy crag]

idk if you'd take it as outlaw, you can just use pistol shot to achieve the same effect

I think it has a guaranteed snare

but if murlok says most dont take it

[halcyon timber]

Dunno what they do but you can choose for yourself. F what johhny and the gang does.

[worthy crag]

you wont go wrong by following the guide

its almost always good to follow what they have on murlok

unless you definitely know what you are doign with an alt build

I used to run shadowcraft in DF, being the only one to do that :D

[warped gate]

That’s about the time I was about to be on, but I couldn’t figure out what to bind it to in time, so I didn’t talent it that match.

[worthy crag]

and trill used to run the extended symbols talent even though noone else understood why

[halcyon timber]

I just use shift r

[warped gate]

Yeah, I got to the point now where I think I can free style with it, but the hard part was figuring out what to drop for it.

[worthy crag]

probably superior mixture

if u take it

[halcyon timber]

Not hard to know why, extending symbols like old sv days was solid. Shadow craft is my jam as well

Mixture is 5% as well

[worthy crag]

I tried using it, it was extended at best maybe 1.5 seconds

[halcyon timber]

Depends

I get between 4-6sec

Wm procs etc

[worthy crag]

Im not a fan of pressing a lot of shadowstrikes or backstab during my dance

[warped gate]

When I was learning, I was using this talent for a while and it helped out a ton.

[worthy crag]

not sure if he took wm too but that makes sense

[warped gate]

Then shortly after, I dunno what changed, but I found myself being able to keep up with ranged without it.

[worthy crag]

Isn't blade rush also worth it for the damage part of it?

[warped gate]

It’s another one of those things that I never see anyone take.

Prolly not because it’s bad, but because the points could better be used somewhere else.

[halcyon timber]

What works for you B

Find your own path my man

[worthy crag]

fking EU and their feral players

[warped gate]

I broke 1600 and got my complimentary tier, so I don’t think I’m absolute dog waste. ✊🏾
.. But then I go into a Shuffle and go 1-5 and question all the decisions I’ve made in life.

[worthy crag]

fidning success as outlaw in shuffle isnt easy lol

[warped gate]

Going between Float Like a Butterfly and Sting Like a Bee definitely helped.

[halcyon timber]

Man don’t sweat that crap, you only have agency over what you can do. Same for any pvp / pve

Can’t make the warr spell reflect / intervene for a healer

[indigo hill]

Blizzard really needs to work on their grouping. This is just stupid.

[worthy crag]

holy shit, I was doing some outside chores at 105+ temperature, stepped inside cuz I couldnt take it anymore, and now I'm feeling like the IRL version of when my toon is dazed

[halcyon timber]

For pokemon? I like pet battles too

[warped gate]

They didn’t give y’all a tank?

[worthy crag]

yeah idk why the search bar doesn't support type like "dragonkin"

[halcyon timber]

They added new options to organize i think

Yeah man

[worthy crag]

also hate how putting a pet in the top slot automatically summons it for me. Like I want to organize my roster, not have a damn pet out

[indigo hill]

Nah i was searching for pets. I meant the 4 mm hunters.

[halcyon timber]

Ohhh lol

[warped gate]

Ah, oof.

[candid tide]

ive hit 1650 in solo now i can do pve again

[halcyon timber]

Yeah had 4 warlocks

[warped gate]

I had that the other day, shit was terrible.

[worthy crag]

just line the rapid fire

[halcyon timber]

And lost 7 matches last night with unga bunga not hitting ranged

[indigo hill]

Yeah me running the flags with 4 mm hunters against me...Went well. 😂 🔫

[halcyon timber]

People ignoring bases humping flag with no bases

[candid tide]

i hate that they never kill healers in blitz its so raging

u get one to 20% and nobody joins up

[warped gate]

I fucking hate touching the flag because then I get to watch these dudes tickle the EFC’s balls with zero damage, while I get bursted down by the enemy that’s always way more coordinated because the universe hates me.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah can be rough

Free casting monks whoo boy

[candid tide]

i feeel like just melt the healer and the whole team crumbles

[halcyon timber]

Y IS nO onE dYing?

[warped gate]

And they actually have a line pointing to them!

[halcyon timber]

Sierra mist trail / taco bell baja blast

[fierce cosmos]

Is any1 running dragon tempered ?

!wA

[lethal roost]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[halcyon timber]

Someone prob is and makes it work

[fierce cosmos]

silly question but when do i use deadly over wound

[halcyon timber]

Dunno if they boys here have lately

And girls*

[halcyon timber]

“I think” the guys said when a stronger ms is around like fury warr ms. Dunno though and would wait for them to pop on. Panda would know for sure and Zicore

Or trickz when hes around etc

[tribal badger]

if ur planning on rot pressure on the team wound can still be good honestly

very few MS classes can aoe spread their MS

unholy kinda can, arms can 2 man it during cds, dh can

our MS is also one of the few reapplyable from range with throw knife

[worthy crag]

werent they saying disc + pres OP tier above everyone else? What changes did they do to hpals

[halcyon timber]

Buffed them by a few abilities from 15-20% and improved mana regen by a 10 or something like that https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-september-24th-fire-mage-shadow-priest-resto-druid-346795

[warped gate]

H-Pals are about the only healer you can train and realistically kill.

Killed one this morning because he stood too close and was getting cleaved down way too low for a healer to be getting, then me and the other DPS looked at each other, and just swapped targets.

Ironic that the only healer that wears plate is the softest one.

[outer sky]

They're getting a slight defensive buff in 11.0.5

Probably won't save them though

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[outer sky]

Although I don't necessarily agree with the idea that healers should be uniquely unkillable

[halcyon timber]

Durable, yet not ridiculous

[outer sky]

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

Some def can be hard to keel atm

The ret 10% dr to stuns is silly

[worthy crag]

Anyone know if getting a vicious saddle requires capping the seasonal bar twice?

I think the first completion gives you the seasonal mount but not the saddle

[halcyon timber]

That’s generally how it has worked previously no? Haven’t payed much attention to it lately.

My eyes are on the lynx I can’t get to drop lol

[worthy crag]

I think so, just having trouble remembering cuz I stopped thinking about the whole thing years ago

but a friend was asking

I have like 40 saddles

[jolly sierra]

those shits

[halcyon timber]

I ended up chucking saddles

[jolly sierra]

i hate saddles

hope i can trade them for gold

[halcyon timber]

Need that darn dauntless lynx to drop

I love the grizzly hills packbear too

Bought that bad boy with blizz balance i had laying around. 10/10 mount

[indigo hill]

Usually you do the bar once and get that seasonal mount, the next bar is at a certain % for one time it was on 96% right away, a season later on 16% right away.

For some reason i have the DF season 3 mount but i didnt pvp much that season. Not enough to get the mount at least.

[outer sky]

Yes you need to cap it twice for a saddle

[warm tundra]

id like if they would become a good target once they have used their cooldowns to save one of their allies

swapping focus like hot potato

and then the dps would have to play around their own cc and cooldowns to not get their healer killed

[worthy crag]

TJ being malfurion the druid god

[last jasper]

His damage output is really insane

[orchid plinth]

Outlaw in AWC:

Mix of Crit and Haste on pieces

[warm tundra]

does warlock have some sort of nuke that triggers when you dispell his dots?

[orchid plinth]

Yes, dispelling Unstable Affliction

[glacial aurora]

what addons u guys use for DR?

[warm tundra]

any other specs that have something similar? maybe spriest?

[orchid plinth]

Vampiric Touch - it horrifies the dispeller for 3 seconds

[warm tundra]

tysm

[tribal badger]

shaman also

spawns a lava gyser under u when u dispel flame shock

if ur not running off it as it spawns it hits u for a chunk of damage and knocks u up

hits decently hard, not as bad as ua

[halcyon timber]

Tell me when , but people have also found a new diminish made by a different author as well. Might be in the pins

[analog imp]

Is it generally better to have a PvE 2pc/4pc equipped or non-tier PvP pieces with higher ilvl? I assume tier but I'm new to PvP

[candid tide]

Atm 2piece for sub

[analog imp]

thanks, even if its not pvp tier right?

[candid tide]

Its pve i think not sure

Its converted from 2 cq piece

[last jasper]

If it’s 639 than you can use it

[near flower]

Any sub streamers i can watch on? Ive watched pikaboo on youtube and helped me a ton

[potent pivot]

Quite a few yeah

Whaazz, Nahj, Kalvish

[dapper chasm]

LoseControl has been fixed, all is good in the world

[near flower]

Thanks!

[idle nest]

What Bloodstone are people mostly using ? the enduring one ?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[keen warren]

Someone tricked themselves into thinking it was good?

[idle nest]

nice, thanks

[warped gate]

Mans swapped.

[vocal surge]

Restro druids need to stop cycloning randomly

[steep kiln]

[vocal surge]

1st skirm of the day and restro druid cyclones monk after we forced his cocoon

lad had nothing set up, no TP or statue

would've been an easy kill

[warm tundra]

if im looking to strictly get 1800 quick, is there any point in queueing anything but blitz?

[stoic spruce]

Nope

You can funnel me wins in shuffle

That'd be cool of you

[nova viper]

i lost

7 bg

in a raw

xD

Amazing

fun game mode

[rotund pumice]

I think I've permanently gimped my MMR by losing like 10 games in a row in blitz 😂

[sleek belfry]

yeah you gotat make new rogues

[vocal surge]

Aye, we met in the arena

[lime oar]

are they nerfing other classes on dracthyr glide or just hover?

or vice versa

[potent pivot]

pretty sure hover is evoker only

[lime oar]

oh word

[potent pivot]

glide/double jump is the thing being nerfed as far as i know

[warped gate]

We did? Did I do good or bad?

Because I've been going 5-1 and 1-5 all day, shit is giving me a headache.

[vocal surge]

We had the same damage

You went spriest, I went frost mage

I haven't had time for rated content

Homework, M+, and raiding taking up so much of my time so been queuing skirms to stop the rust

Having games end like this

DH only casted Spectral Sight and Fel Lance on me, Hunter's damage was from Rapid Fire

[warped gate]

Ahhh, I gotcha.

[vocal surge]

Aye

[warped gate]

Skirmishes are pretty fun, there's this one Priest that I had a mini-rivalry with last expansion, dunno if she's played TWW though, haven't seen her yet.

There was also this Rogue I used to see all the time when I did it on my WW Monk.

He was around when I was learning Outlaw pre-TWW.

He kept yelling at me to play a non-useless spec. ;~;

[vocal surge]

F

lool

Everyone thinks Outlaw's a useless/meme spec in PvP

until they get by a good outlaw player

[warped gate]

Unfortunately I haven't run into him since TWW started.

[vocal surge]

[stoic lava]

is there an addon or wa that hides fluff buffs

[potent pivot]

you can get betterblizzframes/betterblizzplates

can use that to filter buffs

[stoic lava]

told my self id not be lazy this season

ty

[molten hedge]

i just 0-6 vs sub/affi/fire mage in a shufffle with disc and rsham. how would you play in this? double rogue felt bad and going up against sub as assa felt even worse lol

[jolly sierra]

fucking rshams

[hybrid rapids]

Hey guys do we go for 2 set or 4? Also which pieces are prefered? (for both assa and sub)

[jolly sierra]

im way too sleepy

and thought u were whazz asking

i was like wtf lol

[orchid plinth]

they lost two rounds and swapped to Feral

While Outlaw Arcane RMD is a cool vibe it didn't work on AWC level

[worthy crag]

do unholy dks have double charges of ams or what

i swear i saw em cast it twice

[indigo hill]

They have double grip

[stoic spruce]

rider gives them a second randomly

[wanton breach]

why play rogue when you can play furry caster rogue

[calm briar]

Hi Im a pve bot, started to enjoy the pvp outlaw what stats do i pick while crafting/buying conquest gear? its vers crit in pve duno if it changes here

[worthy crag]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[calm briar]

oki and do i use my 4set or im running with the pvp pices i bought since it scales to 639

[worthy crag]

pvp pieces

until you manage to get pvp version of set gear

[untold remnant]

Yo guys, I'm at 20% vers 56% mastery atm as Assa. I crafted engineering helmet with mastery. Would it be better to put Vers on that thing so I end up with more vers?

[orchid plinth]

Some people play Vers goggles some Crafted Vers/Mastery Helm. So Maybe? Whaazz for example plays more Vers (Goggles) on Assa.

[candid tide]

he plays verse googles on his assa alt

[runic trench]

what is appropriate sub rogue damage in arena

im always on the bottom

but i usually go either 3/4 out of 6

sometimes 5 if im doing well

is this normal or am i being carried

when i mean bottom like 1/3 of the other dps damage

[candid tide]

if everybody puts out dmg optimally usually rogues ends up at 3-4th place

since rogues have to cc alot too so lose out on dam a bit

u might one shot stuff at the opener and end up first place

[runic trench]

when should i be using duel

right now im using it like when theyre near death, but thats near the end of my cds

so noone ever dies

[candid tide]

right at the start when u blow half their hp bar up

but also even if not

if u dont blow half their hp up in the opener ur execution is not good yet

[runic trench]

yeah nah im not

i always get hit by a stop like 2 seconds in

[candid tide]

yeah try to look for the insane sap positionings

[runic trench]

this may seem like some low rank crying, but noone ever extends off my cc

sap, kidney blind

nothing

noone uses theirs off mine ever

[candid tide]

i took me 3 weeks to execute the optimal dance rotation really well

like really fast, so idk

it works out now for me

since i could do this, i notice i have less trouble with ccing going off on me

at the start

and i can press shadowy duel way more comfortably

[runic trench]

yeah, im still fresh

just need more time

[candid tide]

fs

[runic trench]

it would help if solo shuffle wasnt like 20 min

[candid tide]

trust the process dont give up

[candid tide]

dont let that affect ur mind

i have the same thing

but if u want to break through u gotta cope

[runic trench]

i tried to make a group, but literally no apps

everyone is apparently 3.2k xp multi r1 lf group at 300cr

[candid tide]

they at 1900 i think

caus at 1500-1600 there are still many starting outs

that can be oneshotted from the opener

[verbal field]

im hardstuck at 1400 rn haha

[candid tide]

id say at 1400 its still an execution issue, when thats hammered down u go up in rating

keep grinding

[verbal field]

ye i just need to play more and learn more

very new to pvp

[outer sky]

I just thought of something

why is mass invisibility allowed in arena but shroud isnt?

[orchid plinth]

Blizzard hates Rogues and loves Mages

[hybrid rapids]

how does the optimal dance rotation look like? i've been playing assa but im slowly trying to transition into sub

[candid tide]

oh wait u asking for the chain

there are quite a few and also situational dependent

but the one im using usually if the situations is in favor is: open with shadowstrike/kidney/shadowblades+dance+symbols+badge/shadowstrike/tea/rupture/sepsis/secrettech/cheapshot/evis/cheapshot/evis

[outer sky]

you build points with shadow strike, spend them on eviscerate, and make sure you dont gap your stuns. Aside from that rupture if you dont have it up and sepsis and secret tech on CD

and you pop all your off GCD shit like symbols, badge, and tea when you dance

because technically the rotation changes based on a few different things. Like if you have blades or not, or if the kill target is an orc

[copper grove]

Guys

Is horde perma loosing rbg ?

[wintry dew]

My 40% win rate as alliance rn doubts it

[copper grove]

Im like

10%

As horde

[loud cipher]

hello ravens

what to use first as an assa rogue in pvp?

kingsbane or deathmark?

[wet portal]

I literally answered your question buddy

lol...

[loud cipher]

thx

[outer sky]

deathmark

[karmic bobcat]

I feel helpless against warrior, am I just trash?

I feel like they just run me down and I have no way of controlling them.

especially in 1v1 duels

[amber goblet]

Do u play disarm?

Usually they trinket first stun so dont commit dance. Evasion or disarm out

Or blind the trinket on their cds

Get rupture up and win on the next stun dr with ks

Can also shiv and sprint kite

Or shiv and step on their charge

[karmic bobcat]

i do play disarm.

[hybrid rapids]

I get using all the off gcd thing, but how does the rotation change when I don't have shadow blades?

[orchid plinth]

What does Shadow Blades do?

[indigo hill]

Let's you use stealth abilities for x amount of time.

[orchid plinth]

[oblique cradle]

Which spec is like doing the best rn?

Cus if seen sub and sin doing pretty good

[orchid plinth]

It was a theoretical question for Whaze

One should be figure out how our rotation can change if you read the tooltip of your abilities!

[surreal barn]

It really depends on what class you’re coming from

I would never expect it from a DK main

We must talk slower and use pictures

[orchid plinth]

[lost eagle]

Any good resources for Sub rogue and BG Blitz?

Looking for spec info and tips/tricks

[wintry dew]

I haven't been looking at the channel recently, but just saw that pika posted this video 2 weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAZTbVjmQQo
Is this any good?

[surreal barn]

Meh

I guess if you’re SUPER fresh it’s okay

i just skimmed it

The addon coverage was solid, murlok.io is okay - but two weeks ago when it was posted I’d say it wasn’t lol

Also, Murok isn’t going to be as good as it was in DF

There’s a huge gearing and talent difference going on now. Some people might be high in shuffle but are gearing to be the best in blitz (and vice versa) @wintry dew

Some classes and specs won’t have any changes but many will

[wintry dew]

You're a god my friend Zeiss, thanks for the fast and precise input ♥

[surreal barn]

Anytime 👍🏼

[jolly sierra]

still think the bloody token cloak is bis

kek

[lone anvil]

Are there any good content creators at a high level who also make guides for assassination or sub.

I've seen that guy Javier make guides but no idea how good he is and he's probably just making guides for views.

But that guy Lontar who makes healer guides is playing in the AWC so you know he's legit.

I would love a good thorough guide from a reliable competitive player including macros and keybinds. And not just an icy veins link if anyone knows of a good one

[jolly sierra]

who tf is javier

[lone anvil]

He makes guides for every class and he seems like the type of content creator whos just tryinf to get views

But his guides aren't thorough. He doesn't have macros and stuff like that

[jolly sierra]

sounds like a guy who picks shit from noxxic

[lone anvil]

I haven't seen any assassination guides from Pika or any of the elite rogues but I see guides like this lmao

[jolly sierra]

lemme see this shit

[lone anvil]

I don't trust it though

[jolly sierra]

shadenox is a good guide in YT tho

for assa

[sonic sandal]

My friend just reached 80 on a rogue and we are a bit unsure about what to craft with the free tokens. I see most rogues crafted a weapon but was that before they changed the quest so that you could pick stats?

[outer loom]

I crafted head and wrist, I checked on Murlok on the best rogues x) still learning how to play this class tho.

Sub feels super hard but so rewarding haha

[molten hedge]

I just played 2 shuffle lobbies as assa and both had a sub. Jesus. Do they just purely counter assa? I mean I’m new to rogue so there’s that. But I was literally disarmed or stunned the entire game

[warped gate]

Let's see who is the bigger dick DPS!

[spring bough]

Can’t wait to pvp on Wednesday night 😭

[warped gate]

1-1 Rogue and Warrior.

Damn, Sub Rogue went 6-0.

[potent pivot]

There really aren’t any no. And keybinds are super personal I wouldn’t depend on others for them at all.

[indigo hill]

Blizzard really needs to change their setups for blitz. 4 ret pala on one side and 3 mm hunter on the other...

Oh and it's loss after loss after loss cause for some reason people don't know how the bgs work.

[potent pivot]

The quest still gives conquest weapons so you can’t choose stats, but for gearing the fastest I would recommend using them and crafting boots/bracers etc

[lone anvil]

I was in a rBG one of the mining cart ones, our team was all melee and enemy team was like 3 affl locks and an MM hunter

[indigo hill]

Blizzard is doing a poor job with Blitz.

[fervent shell]

are they doing any kind of job with blitz?

[kind sluice]

i enjoy just random unrated battlegrounds but horde seems to have like 20% winrate, is this normal on EU or is this unlucky/skill issue

[indigo hill]

Nah that's normal. If you get grouped on Horde side it's pretty much a loss from the start.

[dapper chasm]

There are exceptions

[indigo hill]

Only won 1 game this week on the Horde side. Played 16 in total won 5 with Alliance.

[dapper chasm]

For instance, you don't want a bind you press with WASD at the same time to be using the same fingers

Gouge for instance probably involves strafing, but Crimson Vial wont

[kind sluice]

how do u get grouped with alliance as horde? i'm talking just random unrated

[indigo hill]

Its just random.

Oh i was talking about blitz rated

[tacit crane]

huh, the 2.6k conquest quest disappeared from my log

[granite herald]

It's an achivement now

[tacit crane]

i see

[graceful ravine]

watched the rerun of awc. Drake is such an insane rogue, likely better than Pika tbh

too bad he doesnt stream

[tacit crane]

What's the name again?

[graceful ravine]

he plays DFA into every match up for cc immunes

[tacit crane]

Of the achievement

[potent pivot]

Forged weapons

[tacit crane]

Thanks

[alpine patio]

guys how Ascendance interacts with our vanish etc? does anyone know

[spring bough]

Any of yall dabbled in SOD? Been playing the last couple days ngl it’s pretty fun lol

[lavish gorge]

@spring bough I've been too busy getting facerolled by disc priests and survival hunters

[spring bough]

Survival hunters??

[lavish gorge]

Beast master hunters*

Sorry just woke up. All the specs blend

[spring bough]

BM tho is blasting like that??

[lavish gorge]

I watched a fury warrior getting absolutely played. With our concerted efforts he wasn't tooo bad. But when it was just he or I we got absolutely shredded

You ever get hit by a 5 mil hp black arrow from an mm tho? Now thats fun

[gilded gulch]

kalvish is likely better than pika atp

or will be if things go as they are

[graceful ravine]

kalvish is on the come up for sure

[lavish gorge]

To be truthfully honest I feel like I'm close to shelving my rogue for a bit. I dunno if I have the gumption to overcome what either is skill issue, or waiting for major bugs to be addressed with stealth break

[graceful ravine]

kalvish needs a few awc cup champions under is belt first

[alpine patio]

pika is the 🐐

[gilded gulch]

nah cant be

[alpine patio]

i mean its a fact, there nothing to argue. i was just saying

[tribal badger]

i guess depends what ur talking about

u could make arguments for raw rogue skill but really the way i see it is ive never watched a rogue as entertaining as pika

[pale storm]

I know he’s not NA, but Whaaz gotta be the goat

[tribal badger]

when he streams, whether its high end arena or random 2100 queues with viewers/pugs

[pale storm]

Yeah, pika most entertaining for sure

[tribal badger]

his entertainment factor is so high and i dont know any streamer that calls in real time their plays and why they are making them

[gilded gulch]

Of all time is likely still byron

No one else’s legacy will be as big

[tribal badger]

its like watching a stream with venruki casting awc

but its just pika casting his own gameplay

1 second before he even makes the plays

u can get really good info off his streams for how to play sub honestly

and its very entertaining at the same time

[gilded gulch]

pika is more of an entertainer personality

[tribal badger]

and entertainers personality that has played and won on the highest end

certainly wouldnt cast him as the all time greatest rogue player skill wise yea

but hes up there at a very high level while also being an extremely entertaining streamer

just wish hed stop queuing with piss randoms at 1800 rating cause im trying to grind all my alts to their mogs

and i hate running into him half the season

[gilded gulch]

pika really didnt start streaming

[tribal badger]

[gilded gulch]

until bfa though

[tribal badger]

well sure pika was like

a literal kid back then wasnt he

wasnt he a teenager at his first couple bcon tournies

hes like early 20s now

[gilded gulch]

hes 24 i think?

so 12 in mop

if you find mop clips of him his voice hasnt cracked yet

[tribal badger]

yea

[alpine patio]

26 glad titles - 24 rank1's

[tribal badger]

id say he started streaming at an appropriate age woulda been a bit worrying to be streaming to a big wow audiance earlier

[alpine patio]

🐐

[gilded gulch]

I think people forget nick is also

very young

[tribal badger]

theres also additional factors to consider here tho

[gilded gulch]

just because his voice wasnt as high

[tribal badger]

which is pvp achievements have gotten much more contentious and pvpers as a whole much much better then they were way back in the day

not sure how many vanilla rogues or wotlk rogues id consider goatable

the game was just very different back then. the skillbase of the whole pvp community much lower

[gilded gulch]

Tbh I think the only agreed upon oldschool rogue

universally is reckful

[tribal badger]

reckfuls play level was extremely high for his time and he was also very entertaining to watch yea

[alpine patio]

the game moves on, it cant be reckful

years pass and rogue players comeup

[lime oar]

Whaaz comes off cocky and entitled

[alpine patio]

we talk skill bro

who cares about who they are.

[lime oar]

Makes so much sense

[gilded gulch]

I mean whaazz is just more tourney mindsetted

pika likely only does it for stream viewership

[lime oar]

Pika random bathroom smoke stream the most fried/funniest shit I’ve ever seen

No one cares whose better at tourney

[tribal badger]

depends on what u mean by goat i guess

[copper grove]

guys can i transform a PVE set into a PVP piece ?

[tribal badger]

like if we compared these names we are talking about and put them in a 1 v 1 duel tourny

well that happened didnt it

a sub rogue won i thought i cant remember who

i just remember nadj doing as well as some of the other big names in it because like

idk if theres one "best" rogue at everything

top range 3v3s, 2v2s, 1v1s, wpvp, general pvp overall, bgs etc

id bet theres individuals that would be "best" in different catagories

so what do u consider the goat

[outer sky]

I should have recorded this lobby. Apparently I played it very well

[tacit crane]

what have you guys bought with conquest so far?

[potent pivot]

shoulders/chest and bought heraldries to craft ring

[gilded gulch]

dude it was painful to watch, kalvish completely dunking on nahj in the 1v1

[indigo hill]

Got shoulder, chest, legs and helmet so far.

[unreal summit]

what abilities does sub get cdr on? Secret tech, dance, and ? From spending combo points

[rocky vale]

okay genuine question.

I always swap targets when our main target gets a big defensive on them (like mw bubble PS etc) but my partner never does. should I just keep tunneling with him even though it's reduced dmg so the pressure is more focused?

I know ideally we should bot swap but it's shuffle.

so do I double down on playing bad, or split pressure? lol

I even usually call out "swap to x when they get PS" at the start, but it's falling on eaf ears xd

[warped gate]

I swap anyway and sometimes they just follow suit.

[lone anvil]

Question, as a rogue, do you guys feel useless in the map where you hold the 4 orbs in the center? Like if I go to pick up the orbs and my team isn't nearby. Sometimes I can't even make it to the center pit before I die if I get aggro.

And if my team is doing a good job picking up orbs and I go on offense trying to kill enemies that pit is a cluster fuck that favors tanky plate wearers and unless we have good healers I'm usually getting cleaved down. (Why the fuck can't I use cloak of shadows while I'm carrying the orb? I already can't cloak)

I know in flag maps it's a rogues role to like solo cap bases.

Wtf are rogues supposed to do on the orb map, I feel useless

[gilded gulch]

you kill people with orbs

[lone anvil]

Yeah but that's dependent on having a competent team that can hold mid control

[gilded gulch]

Yeah that map is more team reliant.

[lone anvil]

As a rogue there's certain game modes where I feel like I can carry if my team sucks

And that map I feel like I would rather be on a ret pally or a mm hunter

Or unholy DK

[gilded gulch]

I mean you still have some of the stronger control in the game.

for killing orb holders

[lone anvil]

Yeah but doesn't matter if I can't stay alive for more than 10 seconds. I just got out of one. We lost 1500-250. I was getting orbs and getting killed before I made it to the pit. And if I tried to play offense and kill EFC then id just get instantly melted as soon as I left stealth

[stoic spruce]

bruh

oh i can break out lol

I thought I had to wait 5 minutes

[lone anvil]

youre giving me reasonable answers im just venting because ive lost 9 straight and I just dont know what to do, its easy to blame having bad teams, but like I can only control doing my role and cant control anything else, and sometimes like the orb map, I just feel like its impossible to do my role when my team isnt performing well

Like I can help my team come back from a loss in AB

[gilded gulch]

kotmogu is just a go next if your team gets farmed in teamfight

[lone anvil]

ive done it plenty of times

[wintry dew]

For those who converted pants into tier, what appearance did you guys get?

or any item really

[marble kelp]

I notice lots of rogues use hemotoxin and wound poison. Does the healind debuff stack?

[gusty hedge]

some orange/yellow other red/purple

[tribal badger]

no they dont stack, hemotoxin just makes ur shiv windows have a stronger heal cut

[marble kelp]

ok, thanks

[wintry dew]

Did you convert any Wpvp item? 😛

aka bloody tokens

[marble kelp]

I'm trying to learn sin rogue pvp

[gusty hedge]

shoulders and pants
shoulders went yellowish. can't remember pants assumin same color tho

[wintry dew]

Im asking because i leveled my 2nd rogue purely to help with the acquisiton of the tier pieces. If everything is like it was during DF, converting veteran wpvp gear into tier awards LFR pve mode, but im not sure about conquest gear

[stoic spruce]

spider lady called me darling :3

I will lay down my life to protect her

[gusty hedge]

id have to double check, im know i was getting purple tier colors on horde rogue with conquest pieces.

[wintry dew]

nvm

i tested it myself

Wpvp awards LFR

which is good

easier for me to get lfr + normal items

[gilded gulch]

do your weeklies

[wintry dew]

wdym

[gilded gulch]

zone weeklies+spark fragment weeklies give a vet track piece

[wintry dew]

oh yeah no i'm not talking about that

wpvp gear is 4/8 veteran already (lfr), which means that after i catalyst them, i only need 10 carved crests to get normal appearance

which will make it very easy to farm both lfr/normal --> heroic/mythic appearances

[stoic spruce]

if any of you just so happen to be the hunters I melted right outside dornogal

just know

youre trash and desrve to delete the game

the fact that you and I play the same game should be grounds to give me hazard pay from blizz

its what you get for playing night elf

[lone anvil]

whats the best name plate addon for PvP

preferably an addon available on Wago

BetterBlizzFrames is cureforge only I think

[potent pivot]

betterblizzplates

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot glad you're here

[alpine patio]

guys, how does ascendance interact with our vanish ? does it affect the ''combat'' part

[lone anvil]

I dont see it on Wago

[wintry dew]

i need your help

[potent pivot]

its on curseforge

[wintry dew]

Did you try the skillcap addon pack?

[potent pivot]

sup

naw

[lone anvil]

my buddy told me to get wago. he said Wago > curseforge

[potent pivot]

nah

curseforge has more addons

[potent pivot]

not yet no, starlink did though and he liked it enough to keep using it as far as i know

[wintry dew]

I've leveled my 2nd rogue so i might have fun with my nelf in pvp in a more chiller way

[lone anvil]

he says curse is bloatware but idk what that means

[wintry dew]

which also means i can craft the pvp items again and do it right this time around

[lone anvil]

im a kid

[wintry dew]

Curseforge is used by literaly everyone

[stoic spruce]

Curseforge is like, the go-to for addons lol

[potent pivot]

he sounds like a dumby

[stoic spruce]

bros friend is goober-maxxing

[potent pivot]

wago's new app is okay, but there's almost no reason to use it over curseforge

unless you're paying a content creator to use their ui lol

[stoic spruce]

curseforge also has stuff for different games as well if thats for you. I use it for WoW and Minecraft

[lone anvil]

yall are getting oddly defensive and weird over comments on apps for a video game lol

no need to insult someone because you disagree

[potent pivot]

no one is getting defensive

[lone anvil]

im just trying to be informed

why would you call someone dumb unless I offended you somehow

[stoic spruce]

it was obviously soft teasing

[lone anvil]

that seems unecessary

[potent pivot]

you're reading too much into it

[lone anvil]

sorry, dummy

[wintry dew]

Yeah you're friend suggested you something, and we, as a community, are telling you he's not right

[lone anvil]

Thats fine

[wintry dew]

thats just that

[lone anvil]

but why insult him

[tacit crane]

The free one or the paid one though?

[lone anvil]

unless I stepped on toes

it doesnt make sense

[stoic spruce]

reminds me of that time when peter griffon got mad at that kid for calling him a poop nose

[wintry dew]

If you think calling dumb is an insult

you're way too young

[lone anvil]

Did I personally offend you, do you work for curse

[stoic spruce]

my dad does

[potent pivot]

the paid one if you're replying to the skillcappedui discussion

[potent pivot]

no one is offended

[lone anvil]

It literally is an insult, but we are arguing like toddlers now

[potent pivot]

if you can't handle playful banter idk what to tell you

[wintry dew]

^

[loud cipher]

is there a macro to put pvp ability 1 if i switch the talent on one button/macro?

[stoic spruce]

next he'll get upset if we call him a silly goose

https://tenor.com/view/pond-tranquil-gif-6230339

go ahead

jump in

[lone anvil]

So in person, there are a lot of idicators to tell if someone is joking or not, body languages, tone of voice, knowing a person and their personality and if they tend to be serious or tend to joke

I have access to very little besides your actual words

sorry If I misunderstood

[gusty hedge]

i wanna meet you in game and settle this the old fashion way

[tacit crane]

Dumby is not really what you would call an aggressive word to be offended by...

[stoic spruce]

meet me in durotar

[potent pivot]

That’s why I accompanied it with an emote :p

[lone anvil]

at any rate im thankful for the information. sorry for taking things too serious

[tacit crane]

I see, thanks

[lone anvil]

itll probably happen again (im sorry im this way)

[wintry dew]

Honestly

you handled it like a fucking badass

Hope you return

[potent pivot]

lol

It’s no big deal though ye

[wintry dew]

I'm trying to download the skillcap pack and i cant seem to find the free one LOL

[potent pivot]

I was just messing around because it’s pretty widely known that everyone uses curse rn

[stoic spruce]

im going to have so much fun with him

[potent pivot]

Idk how good the free one is

[wintry dew]

I honestly just want to try it out

[potent pivot]

I think it’s still better than a default ui you haven’t put much time into

[lone anvil]

is it worth it to pay for that stuff

[potent pivot]

But it lacks some of the greater customization the paid one has

Atm I don’t use any paid ui

But I’ve put time into customizing my own

[severe hazel]

can u guys link a pic of your uis

[wintry dew]

probably not thats why i want the free one

[severe hazel]

im trying to build a new one

but its so hard to get used to looking at new positions

[potent pivot]

Mine uses the addons in the pins plus Bartender and Masque

[lone anvil]

Yeah im hesitent to pay for a UI lol, but its also overwhelming, I wish WoW included differnt UI options in their game and didnt leave so much up to addons lol

they have to know their game is a clusterfuck

[stoic spruce]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Ego its all your fault

[wintry dew]

Dont pay for shit, not worth it

[last jasper]

Looks great for me. Prefer default as well

Except the buffs/debuff

[potent pivot]

I like the paid pve UIs like Atrocity’s

If I ever pve seriously again I’ll get it again

[lone anvil]

Im leveling up a resto druid so I can heal blitz and queue with friends, God I wish druids were in the meta for healing because they are so fucking fun

[last jasper]

I decided to pve this expac. Jesus it’s so toxic and disappointing

[potent pivot]

I wish there was an easier way to swap between an elvui profile and a default profile for PvE/pvp

[lone anvil]

Did yall notice the only healers in AWC were paladin and priest and the very few evokers that showed up got melted lol. probably cause its a rogue/jungle meta

[potent pivot]

Well Pres got nerfed

And hpal got buffed

[lone anvil]

Yeee

in addition to that, rogues are counter to pres and dev evoker arent they?

SupaTease did a tier list on kill targets and who to focus and 3v3, and he said pres evokers are one of the squishiest healers and one of the only healers you should target and kill esp if youre a rogue

[last jasper]

Id say sub cuz of cs

[lone anvil]

and this was before the nerf

[gilded gulch]

I mean the game is very different

at tourney level vs casual play

Sub is much better when your team is on the same page as you

and not randomly dr'ing stuns

[lone anvil]

Right

[tacit crane]

Or breaking sap/blind/gouge lol

[potent pivot]

There is a way to do it yeah. Should be able to find it with google

I just don’t use them so don’t have it readily available to link

[gusty hedge]

just love it when druids clone your target when u start to burst em down

[lone anvil]

So Im starting to understand the benefit of the smokebomb, if youre going for a kill on a target with kidney shot, you can smokebomb so the healer cant heal them or grip them?

thats kind of the best use scenario for it?

[potent pivot]

it's also used to "extend the cc" on the healer

[gilded gulch]

There's alot of uses for bomb

[potent pivot]

so if you blind healer, kidney KT, then bomb as the blind is ending

[gusty hedge]

that /ks/blind the healer and go for kill.

[lone anvil]

yeah thats awesome

[gilded gulch]

kalvish has a clip where he kidney bombs healer and kills dps

while healer is completely out of los due to it

[wintry dew]

Actually managed to get it

[gilded gulch]

can also edge bombs to sap people trying to come in

[lone anvil]

I cant believe I wasnt using it for so long lol

It can also obviously be used defensively if you have ranged dps on you and theres no melee dps within the circle

[stoic spruce]

im going to wrap my car around a tree

[gilded gulch]

There's a clip where pika distracts an rdruid so he cant get in bomb

then saps him on the second combat drops

[lone anvil]

I have never gotten a sap mid-match lol

I get opens with saps

[gilded gulch]

druids are the easiest healers to do mid game saps on

[lone anvil]

but im not at the level where I can sap in the middle of a round lol

[gilded gulch]

especially if they're sitting bear anticipating a swap

[gilded gulch]

https://youtu.be/dDHX1xUyigU?si=1MIME70B2ov68LB-&t=53

Here's a funny one

dude melds right before a wild charge to sap the feral on it

[lone anvil]

Is Kalvish the Messi of Rogues lol ( im new here please be kind)

[worthy crag]

Didn't know you could do that, although I did know wild charge has a slight delay between the snare and the actual reveal

[lone anvil]

Ive seen insane gameplay by the kid and he seems zooted on some high grade white powder

[gilded gulch]

It's hard to say really

Kalvish and Nick are probably the best two of the BFA onwards newer r1 rogues.

[severe hazel]

kalvish is prob the best rogue rn imo

[rocky vale]

watching AWC, what's that icon between death mark and blind?

[severe hazel]

he is just 50% faster than anyone else id say

[rocky vale]

I mean it's sanguine blades icon, but that's not a skill

[stoic spruce]

I am literally better than all of you

[gilded gulch]

Like sometimes I do wonder how good pika would be if he took competing more seriously

alas he makes bank streaming

[last jasper]

Why would you thinkhe is not taking it serious?

[gilded gulch]

Idk he does some dumb as hell trinket uses

when hes smurfing low mmr

[potent pivot]

exsanguinate

[gilded gulch]

and tbh not sure how serious his team is about awc

vs some of the eu teams

etc

[potent pivot]

it doesn't exist anymore

[last jasper]

maybe cuz he is smurfing low mmr for stream

[potent pivot]

blizzard just hasn't properly updated their shit

[rocky vale]

oh lol

[potent pivot]

it's show sanguine blades icon because it used to be exsanguinate

[rocky vale]

I was like, ye exsang isnt a skill

anymore

but that makes sense

[lone anvil]

Didnt AWC end last night? or is it still going on

[last jasper]

why the hell sepsis during blades still gives 6 cp instead of 7.....

[potent pivot]

it last weeks

[lone anvil]

oh really?

[potent pivot]

he's watching a rerun

[lone anvil]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

it's every weekend for the next couple weeks

[rocky vale]

I'm watching the replay from last night

[lone anvil]

so its like march madness lol. where can I find a bracket of the remaining games? i tried googling

so the teams that played 7 games series this weekend werent champs, theyre just going on to another bracket later?

or theres new brackets of new teams every week

[rocky vale]

so ridiculous watching priests and palas last 8 minutes on mana when Rdruids run out in like 3 xd

[potent pivot]

the stuff that happened this weekend were just the opening cups

[potent pivot]

more info in both of those sites

[lone anvil]

awesome

[lyric onyx]

Is crafted ring always better than conq ring?

[gilded gulch]

depends on spec

you can only get one vers mast ring from the vendor

[lyric onyx]

Sub sorry

But stat distribution wise the crafted ones are even so that’s favourable right?

[gilded gulch]

i mean yeah

but you cant even get a second vers mast ring without crafting one

[lyric onyx]

I know ye lemme rephrase

Is 2x crafted better than 1x conq and 1x crafted

[gilded gulch]

it costs the same so no net loss

[lone anvil]

I have one of each. but I think crafted is still superior to Conq if im not mistaken. stat wise theyre pretty even for vers and mastery but the crafted have like 2000 more stamina

I will rock 2x crafted when I can'

[gilded gulch]

they're same ilvl just crafted has more mastery

the vendor conq rings are 75% ver

[lone anvil]

conq has 7500 stamina, crafted has 9200 stamina

which is significant

[lyric onyx]

In PvE

[gilded gulch]

in pvp?

[potent pivot]

what

they're the same in pvp

[lyric onyx]

In PvP they’re the same

[lone anvil]

oh

interesting

nvm me

[potent pivot]

they both scale to 639 in pvp so it ends up being the same :d

[lone anvil]

I knew they both scaled but I didnt know stats were equivaent

[potent pivot]

but crafted can be much higher pve ilvl than conq can i think

[lyric onyx]

Need to buy the ring recipe and force a guildie to learn it for me lol

[gilded gulch]

no conq pve ilvl goes up to 619

crafted gear stops at 610 in pve

[lone anvil]

Are yall going for conquest trinkets this week?

[lyric onyx]

I got my on use week 1 for sub

To replace the haste on the honour one

[potent pivot]

oh well that's news to me

that's weird

[gilded gulch]

its champion track

[lyric onyx]

I don’t think I’m buying anything come reset .. save for gloves and go four set on next catalyst charge

[lone anvil]

I have green head, belt and trinkets. im going to get belt with bloody tokens and not sure whether to get helm to prepare for catalyst or get a trinket idk

[lyric onyx]

Don’t think we’re going for tier helm

Wait what spec are you sorry should’ve asked

[lone anvil]

ass

[lyric onyx]

What’s 3rd prio for sin?

Haste or crit

[lone anvil]

god I hope its crit

[stoic spruce]

I am not sorry for what happens next

[lone anvil]

never apologize

[stoic spruce]

so many night elves out today

[lone anvil]

I farmed a 76 warlock and 73 warlock that were questing 2-3 times, then just followed them in stealth with the /lick and /purr emote to keep them on their toes

just so they knew I was there

[lyric onyx]

I think you craft helm instead of buying .. 4 set chest, shoulder, gloves and legs

So I’d buy trinket if I were you

[lone anvil]

awww I messed up lol

gotcha

thanks

[potent pivot]

it's a toss up, both are good

[lyric onyx]

If haste is good then helm can be viable

Sub doesn’t want helm because it’s haste heavy I believe

[potent pivot]

well idk if sub is going to use 4set at all now

they nerfed sub's tier by 50% a few days ago

[lyric onyx]

Bastards

[potent pivot]

yep

[lyric onyx]

I bought conq chest

[potent pivot]

apparently they didn't realize it wasn't nerfed

conq chest isn't terrible

[lyric onyx]

2 set still ok?

[potent pivot]

ye

[lyric onyx]

Good

[surreal barn]

Just got power back holy fuck

It’s been 3 thousand years

[potent pivot]

i had no internet for 3 days

[stoic spruce]

I miss DF S4 outlaw tier :(

[potent pivot]

from the hurricane

[lyric onyx]

Still might buy gloves for vers mast (and the transmog)

[surreal barn]

Four, Helene fucked my whole neighborhood

[lyric onyx]

Where’s there hurricanes, America?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[surreal barn]

Carolina here

[lyric onyx]

Stay safe over there 🫡

[steep kiln]

I lost track of catalysts. is 4 piece possible tomorrow or not till the following reset

[lone anvil]

Following

This week was catalyst

[steep kiln]

thx

got 700 points rn. decisions tomorrow

[lone anvil]

Do conquest and bloody increase by the same increment every week?

[severe hazel]

from theorycrafts we use 2p and full mastery craft

[lone anvil]

What's are new cap going to be tomorrow

Our

[potent pivot]

it's +600

always

[lone anvil]

Bless

[lone anvil]

I'm looking at the Conquest trinkets and they also have haste?

[potent pivot]

insignia does yeah

[lone anvil]

Is Insignia BiS for assassination or should I be using another one

[potent pivot]

insignia is better suited to assa for the most part

you'll prolly end up using both later on

like swapping them out for diff matches etc

[lone anvil]

ahhhhh

gotcha

[stoic spruce]

cowboy!

terrible screenshot but I had to do it fast

this was as good as possibnle

the animation is too fast for me to ss

hrnggggggg kill

[outer sky]

Both insignia and badge have haste this season

Unfortunate for sub

[graceful ravine]

I brought Drake up cos i felt hes such an under-spoken about in the Rogue community compared to nahj/pika/kalvish/whazz. Mainly cos he doesnt stream and is relatively hidden

And he has more awc cup wins than all of them combined

[gilded gulch]

what team does he play for now

[graceful ravine]

pika had a 0-20 win rate against Drake's team at some point during SL, and made a video for content about securing their first win

"welcome to the jung"

[gilded gulch]

which is

[graceful ravine]

they just got #2 in the recent cup as priest/assa/aff

[potent pivot]

You sure about that?

[graceful ravine]

yup

luminosity gaming won #1 in 3 out of 4 cups

forgot which expansion

[gilded gulch]

sl

ww mage

[potent pivot]

Yeah but whaazz’s teams been winning cups for ages

[gilded gulch]

think they farmed them as turbo too

[graceful ravine]

was referring to the Na teams

ofc not whazz

[gilded gulch]

oh drake’s team is

prev nick drake and zhang

[potent pivot]

You said whaazz then said all of them combined

[gilded gulch]

didnt know zhang played other healers besides rsham

[graceful ravine]

whoops

[gilded gulch]

who tf is giantz

[graceful ravine]

but yea better than pika/nah/kalv for sure

[gilded gulch]

though

[graceful ravine]

i wanna see his streams but cant find any

[potent pivot]

I don’t think cups matter that much

Compared to the end of the tourneys

[gilded gulch]

didnt pika’s team pick up ceral

wtf

[candid tide]

I feel like hes the only one near whaazz level from seeing him play

[gilded gulch]

probably is

whaazz has the benefit of playing with one of the best mages as his consistent team partner for years

[candid tide]

Yeah same thoughts there

[gilded gulch]

it shows super hard

[graceful ravine]

there was a few cups Drake's team ran RPS vs pika's team and 3-0'ed them multiple times

[gilded gulch]

whenever rmp is the best comp

tbh

[graceful ravine]

like damn thats a slap to the face lol

[candid tide]

But still taking nothing away from whaazz guys dynamic af with rogue

[gilded gulch]

mehh being the best healing priest in the game

only amps it further

[gilded gulch]

tbh wasnt surprised

prev was a largely slept on boomy

he just never streams

[stoic spruce]

not trying to say anything

but

3m KS

now

couldve been lack of gear on the recipient

as it was a skirmish

[runic trench]

I’m honestly surprised some dps in solo shuffle 1.5k cr have the mental acuity to launch the game

[stoic spruce]

dude

thats so funny you say that because I just played with a prot pally thats better than every ret pally I've played with in the past year

I actually got bop and off heals

[misty imp]

How is Vicious venoms for pvp?

[potent pivot]

pretty meh

[jolly sierra]

if the non-healer pally actively supports their team then is automatically above average

pally mains are selfish af

and can mess up everything for that

[runic trench]

i dont know if they changed how they work

[stoic spruce]

nothing would piss me off more than a nelf ret

[runic trench]

but i had a feral that did 0 offhealing

not a single heal

[runic trench]

more than a dh using their aoe 1 second stun in the opener and dr your kidney?

[stoic spruce]

THIS SAME FUCKING RET

JUST

WILL NOT

PRESS

ANYTHING

I miss that prot pally

[jolly sierra]

well canon wise they actually exist but luckily they are not available for players for now

[stoic spruce]

theres also undead pallys

but thats not the point

[jolly sierra]

zeliek?

im still surprised whitemane can still use light

[stoic spruce]

Panda

fuckin

let me vent lol

[jolly sierra]

do it

[stoic spruce]

you keep changing the subject!

RAHHH

[jolly sierra]

nobody is shutting u up lol

me warrior

me smash

[stoic spruce]

same ret didnt give bop

they gotta be new