pvp

[waxen meteor]

everybody started at 1500 at week1

blitz i don't know tbh, my exp with blitz is really like rolling a dice

if you get a good team you win, if end up with random bozos, good luck

literally i got people at 1600mmr blitz guarding nodes not even enabled

[lone anvil]

Yeah but everyone else is subject to the same random pool of players in blitz

Its not like you have adverse circumstances others don't

[waxen meteor]

yeah in solo arena i think those people drops from your mmr very fast

in blitz probably because too many people can carry

[tawdry imp]

this game is actually too hard

[waxen meteor]

there are just random bozos

[lime oar]

yeah im perma sstuck between 1600-1700 in blitz rn

[lone anvil]

Alot of blitz games come down to which team has the better healers or which team protects their healers and peels for them the best tbh

[waxen meteor]

yeah

yesterday i lost a blitz

we wiped other side in middle field with like 6-0

then lost the game because our healer just decided to be flagger and away from everyone else

the healing stat was like
100K

90K

105K

then a 20k

unplayable

[lime oar]

i got 2 flag maps in a row wtih enemy tm 2 MW's

[lone anvil]

Yeah healers carry alot of weight/ responsibility. I don't envy their job

[lime oar]

our MW was clueless

[lone anvil]

Imagine queueing solo as a healer with random dps and people don't peel for you

And some rogue just perma locks you and kills you

[waxen meteor]

the biggest headache for me is the people guarding nodes not enabled

that just drives me nut

[lone anvil]

I think people who play support in solo are honestly heroes

I would only ever play support without organized team on COMs

[lime veldt]

So I've noticed recently that I'm getting knocked out of stealth wayyyyy too often... Any thoughts as to why?

[lone anvil]

Never randoms

[waxen meteor]

bug that was never fixed

i can cost us some arena games

[stoic spruce]

I'm gonna drop a huge mud monkey on the next Windwalker I see.

[lime veldt]

bro this is actually so tilting lmao

[viscid rock]

are we doing 2p or 4p this season?

[lime veldt]

spawning from BG graveyard next to zero enemies and getting put in combat

then Crystalline Reflection knocking me out of stealth whenever I get out of combat

[waxen meteor]

sub -> 4
sin more leaning towards 4
law -> ?

I think your conquest chest/head add up for about 5% mastery, which is similar to 4p effect in pvp

so you get some additional crit/haste from the mastery you lose, honestly i think the difference is not big

[jolly sierra]

are u fr

[lone anvil]

I hear alot in the video game community about how younger generations of players are better at video games. And I'm curious how accurate these generalizations are and if they are exaggerated or not.

My 10 year old nephew can kick my ass at fortnite but he also grew up playing fortnite, where as I didnt. I'm sure I'd kick his ass at GoldenEye for N64.

I know reflexes get slower but by how much more? And how noticeable is it? And is it enough to give someone the advantage even if their brain isn't fully developed or do those things kind of balance each other out. Like younger players have slightly better reaction time but their strategy isn't as good.

Has anyone seen any evidence based research on this subject?

[lime oar]

losing 11-15 per game

win and i get 7

sad

[lyric onyx]

Kids have more time to play generally 🤷‍♂️

[lone anvil]

/jobquit

[warped gate]

I be fucking little kids up in video games.

And I used to get my ass kicked when I was a kid in video games.

[lone anvil]

LMAO

[lyric onyx]

Also I do imagine reaction times and that sort of stuff are better when you’re young but I don’t know of any research to give you

[warped gate]

I couldn't beat my big cousin in NBA Jam even with cheats on.

[lone anvil]

"MY EEVIDENCE BASED RESEARCH ARE THESE FISTS" 👊

I unironically love your response

[warped gate]

Kids have the potential, but if you getting the beats from a kid with a single digit age, it's a skill issue.

[lone anvil]

Nah I'm talking more about people in the 15-23 age range

Brain doesn't fully develop until you're 25

[lyric onyx]

That’s peak gamer age

[lone anvil]

People say gen z has the advantage

But by how much

That's why I'm asking fellow nerds

[warped gate]

Like mans said, they got more time to play and perfect their craft.

[lone anvil]

Of course it's peak gamer age

[warped gate]

And they got them little kid zoomer brains for the reflexes.

[lyric onyx]

In wow specifically people in that age range have been playing their whole life I guess

[lone anvil]

I explained all of this in my initial question

[lyric onyx]

I’m 25 and started playing when I was 8

[warped gate]

It really depends on the game, because unless you're playing a new genre, the old dudes got that compound knowledge on games.

[lone anvil]

No one is adding anything that I didn't already preface my question with

[warped gate]

If I play a fighting game, I got those years of fighting game knowledge to bust they lil' asses.

[lone anvil]

I hear alot in the video game community about how younger generations of players are better at video games. And I'm curious how accurate these generalizations are and if they are exaggerated or not.

My 10 year old nephew can kick my ass at fortnite but he also grew up playing fortnite, where as I didnt. I'm sure I'd kick his ass at GoldenEye for N64.

I know reflexes get slower but by how much more? And how noticeable is it? And is it enough to give someone the advantage even if their brain isn't fully developed or do those things kind of balance each other out. Like younger players have slightly better reaction time but their strategy isn't as good.

Has anyone seen any evidence based research on this subject?

[lyric onyx]

Yeah we read it

But we’re not researchers

We can only speculate

If you wanna go search the web for research feel free to

[lone anvil]

I'm asking if any one has seen or heard any research on the topic since their are elite PvPers in this chat not if you're a researcher

K

[lyric onyx]

“While researchers found that reaction time began declining after age 24, there was not a drop-off in performance. Players over 24 developed compensatory strategies–improved processing efficiency, better strategic decision-making, etc.”

From a study online

Not wow specific

[lone anvil]

Yeah that's kind of exactly what I was looking for ty. I tried googling and got a bunch of reddit threads

[warped gate]

Found these in a relevant Reddit thread.

I just turned 40 but tbh, I can't really tell a difference. For all that I lost in reflexes though, I gained in experience. These games that used to do me dirty when I was younger, I can godstomp as an adult.

[lyric onyx]

In pvp I’d say reaction time matters more, and in pve is where strategic thinking is more dominant .. not that there isn’t crossover but for the most part

You still need to be strategic in pvp but reaction time and reflexes are king

[lone anvil]

I'm 32 so I'm somewhere in between. And PvP is definitely a mix of both. But it's hard to tell which one wins out

Like what people call "tech" Is strategies to a certain degree

Baiting people to chase you. Baiting trinkets and cooldowns

That's all strategy

[lyric onyx]

Yeah 100%

PvP at its core is reactive gameplay

[lone anvil]

Part of what prompted this is watching that rogue kavish. Everyone in the comments was basically saying he was just good because he was young

And when you watch that dude he is just on another level of play

[lyric onyx]

The strategic thinking you employ in pvp is also tied to your reactions

[lone anvil]

But I think it's a cop out tp some degree to say that

[jolly sierra]

i can foresee when a fkn car wont stop in front of me like for seconds ahead

[lyric onyx]

Someone pops a CD? How quickly do you react to that, do you notice straight away

[jolly sierra]

and avoid being run through

lol

[lone anvil]

Yeah exactly

[jolly sierra]

w 28 yo

[lyric onyx]

PvE is less reactive and more strategic

You can plan out a whole M+ run before it starts

[jolly sierra]

pve is least reactive

because is scripted

pvp is more about quick thinking in unexpected situations

[lyric onyx]

No 2 arenas will ever be the same

[jolly sierra]

so ur react time and improvisation skills are vital

[lyric onyx]

No 2 players will ever do the exact same thing

[candid tide]

Whaazz rmp just destroyed one of the best EU team in awc like nothing

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason i dont get bored w pvp

because is never the same

[lyric onyx]

You have to have quick reactions to adapt to who you’re playing against

The strategic part is quickly coming to the “right” play in order to react to your opponents

[graceful ravine]

Interesting every rogue in awc is playing sub

Even pikas team is playing sub with aff lock

[lone anvil]

Sub is all I see anywhere right now tbh

(cries in assassination)

[candid tide]

Echo destroyed bleached bones 3-0

No sweat

[jolly sierra]

dw

that is because they minmaxed stuff

and they are fully aware about tier being unnerfed

that is a big thing to consider

[candid tide]

Goodluck to kalvish cause whaazz is on his godmode rn

[lone anvil]

Do they gotta face off

[surreal barn]

Sub damage is nuts wym

[candid tide]

Sub setup dmg is nasty

[surreal barn]

When your shit is coordinated it is kinda insane

[candid tide]

But overall is not top dmg

Its dangerous in stun setups

[lone anvil]

If I wanted to try sub could I use my assassination gear

Or do I need different stats and different weapons and stuff

[lyric onyx]

What’s the site that shows AWC players gear?

AWC companion right?

[lone anvil]

Is that healer "Lontar" on bleached bones the same one that makes all of those healer guides on YouTube

Cause that dude makes the best guides of any one I've ever seen. I wish he made rogue guides with how thorough he is

[candid tide]

Think hes one of the best healers in eu

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

sub is one of the best in coordinated shit

the reason it flaws for regular SS matches is because ppl is bonkers and u have the 2 button classes doing ministuns every 3 seconds

so assa or outlaw works well there

[spring bough]

How’s Pika and his team doing

Not able to watch tn

[stoic spruce]

hot take but Outlaw was better when it didnt have a lot of depth

[warped gate]

It has depth now?!

[halcyon timber]

XD

No unga bunga bad popo bad! 🗞️

[potent pivot]

You’d be surprised how telegraphed/predictable things get at the highest levels of play

[stoic spruce]

if I have to press more than my rotation buttons it pisses me off

I just want to press SS/PS/BtE/KS and sometimes adr

[halcyon timber]

Can thank all the people who kept saying itssss borrringgg and wanted more buttons and pressured the devs

[stoic spruce]

and now theres button bloat

not once have I ever thought outlaw had too many buttons

[halcyon timber]

Thank the people who can’t be happy w simple

The main man told us we aren’t going back so we are def stuck this way

[stoic spruce]

thats disappointing

I get it though

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i don’t forget his conversations. I fought a lot on our behalf with the talent updates but it is what it is.

[stoic spruce]

I love the ER change

[halcyon timber]

Its cool yeah

Haven’t tested recently though

[stoic spruce]

its like

[halcyon timber]

Dunno if supercharger is working

[stoic spruce]

all of ER but the simplicity of old outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Wasn’t when i played with it

[stoic spruce]

I just got done with it and thats how it felt to me

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i like fat glooms and shit too

[stoic spruce]

idk how it interacts with sub or assa tho

[halcyon timber]

As long as choice is there to talent to emphasize, im happy

[stoic spruce]

Eri I swear we are geting a non-crackshot build patch by patch

I wanna slam dispatches!

rahhhhh

[halcyon timber]

I believe it

Hard to please everyone and i get that from the devs and i appreciate what they do

Just as long as meaningful small things can add up to the effect then its cool w me

1-2 abilities hijacking a kit isn’t cool

[stoic spruce]

I think theyre trying to do it but they had a time problem. Ion himself said there were time constraints

so they had to like

[halcyon timber]

Yeah gotta support the devs

[stoic spruce]

deal with it for now

[halcyon timber]

And be a functional member instead of shadow priest style hijackings like they tend to do

I think supercharger is on to something for sure

[stoic spruce]

im leveling a rogue as sub

Eri

Shadowblades rocks

wtf

[halcyon timber]

Do whaxha want man

[stoic spruce]

but

shadowblades :(

I want it

[halcyon timber]

Outlaws gen cbs like crazy though

Wouldn’t need it

We are balanced around that 2min cd and such

[stoic spruce]

lets swap

uhhh

[halcyon timber]

Nah

[stoic spruce]

Fan The Hammer

FAN THE HAMMER

FOR

SHADOWBLADES

[halcyon timber]

F that

Fan is cool

But doesn’t fit mechanically

[stoic spruce]

Congarts

[halcyon timber]

Ha

[stoic spruce]

you now use your shuriken toss more often

[halcyon timber]

I use it often anyway

Bc 40 year roots that don’t dr

[stoic spruce]

earth grab totem is a fuck

when I kill it

it should unroot me

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

Almost as frustrating as people who break sap / blind / gouge or don’t cc at all and just ape things down and die to bm hunter zoos

[stoic spruce]

thats another thing

on the opposite end of the spectrum

like

I love unholy

its a pet class

we all agree its a pet class right?

[halcyon timber]

Don’t have to agree when its a truth

[stoic spruce]

exactly

so tell me

[halcyon timber]

Bm / unholy / demo

Afk

[stoic spruce]

why is it a pet class in pve and a dot spec in pvp.

why do the ghouls do NOTHING

[halcyon timber]

Fk em

Idc

[stoic spruce]

I want to play unholy in pvp but if its not playing how its designed wtf is the point

[halcyon timber]

Dunno they just mongo man

[shell geyser]

hello what is the addon or weak aura to have energy and combo point under you ?

like that

[stoic spruce]

thats default

in the settings

[halcyon timber]

Personal resource display in settings

[stoic spruce]

personal resoruce display

Zeph

I recommend LSUI

you can track specific buffs/debuffs too

its also really stylized but you can turn that off

[halcyon timber]

Im debating drawing a sick ui for outlaw . Dunno if i have time though

Working on a personal one then prob get to outlaw later on.

Might just make an “asset pack” for people to just use and leave it up to them

[shell geyser]

ok i find it thanks for the answer

[dull bridge]

man feral is insane right now

legit runs you over in the opener

[halcyon timber]

Yeh def can be rough. Very durable too.

[stoic spruce]

bro

I bet people who RP as pirates are loving delves

[lone anvil]

What's your total amount of games played

[shell geyser]

i reach 2500 token but no sign of mail or weapon in my bag 🤔

[lone anvil]

There's a search bar in your bags under where it says "backpack" in yellow

Try searching for "token" or "gladiator weapon token"

If its not in your bag or in your mail you will have to open up a ticket

[shell geyser]

i see the achievement but he is still grey

💤

[native fossil]

i've read that some of the weekly quests grant conq dont' count toward achievement

may want to play a couple more games

[shell geyser]

probably that, blizzard tier

[lime oar]

Like 40 something

[lone anvil]

I just had the dumbest teamates in an EOTS Rbg lmao

[tepid scarab]

Yeah you gotta hit like 2675 conquest for the weapons

One of the weeklies doesn’t count toward it

[barren kernel]

man is it just because it's powerful or does sub rogue feel fantastic

sin feels like...i'm always surpised that I'm doing lots of damage

[lone anvil]

Not to brag or anything but I just got my first 4-2 in solo shuffle

[celest burrow]

@shell geyser I have the exact same issue on my rogue, he just hit 2500 and nothing.

oh ok

[stoic spruce]

im back to outlaw

[worthy crag]

get that damn fox out of the picture and center on that

[topaz bobcat]

what's going on here

BFA best xpac ever

and cooolest zone too (nazjatar and mechagon)

[grave basin]

so is sub going 4pc

or nah

also

people are already 3k in blitz

[stoic spruce]

talking about the belf? lol

[stoic spruce]

real and true

no reason the elves are that hot

[graceful ravine]

shuffle mmr around this time during DF s1 was about the same

3k+

[worthy crag]

"LF XYZ 3k xp"

[graceful ravine]

assa rogue on top baby!

[grave basin]

Yea but you have 100x more agency in shuffle

Blitz is just dice roll to see if you have mw flag carrier

[runic trench]

i dont know why

but whatever streamer is telling everyone to hard focus rogue in shuffle

needs to go uninstall

its not fair

[wintry dew]

Bro idk what gaming chair you have but holy shit you're still going UP

[grave basin]

Royal how's your rogue so far

I can't decide to push as Assa or sub

[wintry dew]

I'm a bit afk in the pvp department with all the PvE going on, haven't done shuffle in A bit so I'm 1750

Almost 1400 in blitz

[umbral olive]

Is the set bonus for assassination worth getting suboptimal stats on the gear pieces?

converting conquest to set

at least 2pc

[runic trench]

i was happily minding my own business playing sub

when a voice inside me said

'try outlaw'

am i doomed?

[wintry dew]

this is a game

that voice probably wants to have fun

try it

[potent pivot]

Think so

Most people are going for it to test it out at least

Not like it’s gonna hamper your performance enough to matter even if it comes out as not being better

[umbral olive]

Yeah fair enough, was planning on it anyway but wanted to make sure it wasn't a confirmed waste or something

Thanks for answering

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s kind of a toss up tbh, think it’ll be +1-2% better overall dmg at most

No worries

[outer sky]

@potent pivot you see the sub hotfix?

[potent pivot]

why you gotta ruin my day

i actually missed it, been really busy past couple days

[outer sky]

Knew it was too good to be true

[potent pivot]

yeah i figured it was coming sooner or later

guess they had to get that knocked out before awc really got rolling

it might still be worth using 4p for certain builds/playstyles

but 2p is still basically free at least

[outer sky]

yeah BiS stats

almost

[potent pivot]

yeah

i think the 4p synergizes really well with the deathstalker rotation

[outer sky]

they ever fix the assa 2 set KB bug?

[potent pivot]

sec

nah i don't think so

it's still on Whispyr's bug sheet

[potent pivot]

did they fix the singular focus combat bug?

someone in here said they did a couple days ago, i haven't been able to get on and check

still seen a few people complaining about stealth breaks so i'm kinda assuming they did not

[outer sky]

sec ill check

Nope they did not

[potent pivot]

nice

why fix the gamebreaking bugs when you're too busy fixing a tier set bonus

[runic trench]

they didnty

its still terrible

[outer sky]

AWC happened and I missed it

what were the major comps/specs?

I know jungle

what else

Saw Whaazz and Raiku playing Sub/Frost RMP

[indigo hill]

Not really surprised to see rmp with frost. 😂

Is it just me or do people who don't play rogue only think sub is a rogue spec and the others dont exist?

[outer sky]

yes

[hard orbit]

I just started PVP and I have enough Bloody Tokens to get two daggers. Is that worth? I don't play that much so it's going to take me a long time to reach 2600 conquest for the wep

[outer sky]

thats up to you and how much you care about being a bit behind

[hard orbit]

I'd honestly rather get a quick boost now I think

can you turn the bloody token pieces into set pieces? looks like assassination rogues use the 4-piece set

[candid tide]

hunter feral

jungle

atleast in eu

[narrow tangle]

henlo

do ret sub or assa works in 3s

and how would it work

there was a website that checks every class dr and compare to build arena comp i forgor what was that website

[outer sky]

that's called Scooby Doo Cleave and no it's not very good

[indigo hill]

Shame cause its a great show.

[lone anvil]

I don't really understand the difference between my arena rating and my MMV

I entered a solo shuffle match and it said my starting MMV was 300 points higher than my rating. I don't understand the significance or point of having both values

Could someone shed some light

[wintry dew]

If your MMR is higher than your CR, wins will award you more points, until both your MMR and CR look the same

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[wintry dew]

MMR is like how good the game thinks you are

CR is your actually rating

[lone anvil]

Interesting

[wintry dew]

if the game thinks you you're 2000 MMR but you're 1000 CR

Winning games will award way more points for your

than it would for someone whose MMR was way lower

[lone anvil]

I was in a match last night and had the second lowest CR entering. But I had the highest starting MMV

And after the match ended I was second highest VR

CR

And I was very confused

[wintry dew]

The closer you are to your MMR, the less points you get for winning

and there's where the grind beggins

[lone anvil]

Was I facing better competition or worse

They had higher cr than me but lower MMV

All very confusing lol

[wintry dew]

Did you play LoL?

[lone anvil]

League of Legends? Nah but it looked gas. A bunch of my friends played

[wintry dew]

Oh i wanted to make a comparison

then nvm

[lone anvil]

Dang

Ty thoufh

Your explanation helped

[wintry dew]

♥

[lone anvil]

I want the game to think I'm bad so it puts me with noobs

How do I convince the game I'm an underdog

[wintry dew]

You lose games

[lone anvil]

Oh well that happens naturally

XD

[wintry dew]

xD

[fallen scaffold]

how exaclty does elemental focusing lens work? how many other socket sdo u have to have for it to work

[outer sky]

just 1 gem besides the meta gem

[fallen scaffold]

is meta gem the 181 primary stat and 5 percent dmg reduction when in cc?

and precog

or just regular gems

[lone anvil]

There was some discussion about whether or not the 5% damage reduction stacks

..someone in this chat pointed out it's a unique buff.

I haven't tested for myself yet but I could rest tonight

[fallen scaffold]

im asking if thats considered a "meta" gem

for the elemental focusing lens

[lone anvil]

I don't know enough to know how one gem relates to the other

So I'm going to let someone smarter talk

Its a meta gem in that multiple top rogues use it

If that's what you mean

[fallen scaffold]

no

meta is a category

a type of gem

[grave basin]

Elemental focusing lens is an embellishment

And it requires a colored gem

Meta gem doesn't proc it

[fallen scaffold]

what is a colored gem

like a regular stat one?

[grave basin]

Any stat ones

Yes

[fallen scaffold]

word

[grave basin]

You can see the mastery verse one is onyx

So that's "shadow"

[indigo hill]

Am i crazy or are there no pvp WQ up today?

[alpine patio]

guys what embelishments would you suggest for Assa rogue? i mainly solo suffle and RBG

[lone anvil]

Can I ask another dumb question or have I hit my weekly limit

[indigo hill]

You can borrow my credit if you want.

[candid tide]

vers for solo i guess for survival ability

since u cant rely on ur healer in solo as in normal 3s

[celest tusk]

Anyone know what would be the best 2set ? chest shoulder or legs shoulder?>just started my alt sub rogue will do only solo blitz bg

[lime oar]

I had to log off last night before the gates opened on a blitz cuz emergency w my son. -200+ rating lmfao

Sick

[lone anvil]

Did they get rid of set arena teams with arena team names and add in LFG and if so:

1. Why did they do it 😦 arena team names were so fun lol
2. If people can just do LFG now, don't organized teams that queue together every week with established chemistry and COMs have a clear advantage LOL

[indigo hill]

I have no clue. 😂

Never paid attention to them even having names.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but does rogue have one of worst defenses and cc ?

[north acorn]

Used to be the best but it’s been nerfed a million times so :/

[indigo hill]

An everyone else got buffed especially hunter. MM is an abomination right now. They just press defences for the fun of it.

I think we should get double cloak and Evasion too.

[surreal barn]

MM it’s so fun atm

10x better than the sniper shot era

[indigo hill]

Its to OP.

[wild sluice]

is 2 set bis for sub? seems every single top players running 2 set

[outer sky]

you can get 2 set with BiS stats so may as well. Sub's tier got nerfed by 50% in pvp a couple days ago though

[formal crystal]

c:

i mean everyone else has 2x defensives lul

[gusty hedge]

most people only have 2-3/4 rn unless they pve and have that tier piece maxed. 4th piece most should be wearing in 2 weeks

[wild sluice]

yeah I guess so

[wild sluice]

oh at least 2 set > 3 pvp + 1 pve right? gotcha

[indigo hill]

What i mean is that hunter got stacks.

[orchid plinth]

We don't know but all Rogues (Sub) in yesterdays AWC ran 2set not 4.

[indigo hill]

There is no acces to 4 set yet for pvp.

[north acorn]

Awc is on tourney realm so they should have access to it

[orchid plinth]

Yes but the point is that in AWC they can play any gear and they still choose to use 2set.

[junior marsh]

What’s the play for blitz and why? Sin or Sub?

[orchid plinth]

Play the one you enjoy, they play very different roles in BGs, no?

[junior marsh]

I would guess Sin plays more of a small skirmish style and sub on more of solo style. But I noticed the top rated players play sub. Is there any way for sub to cap nodes that sin cannot?

[celest tusk]

but what 2piece are bis though?

[outer sky]

legs and shoulders

[celest tusk]

oh kk..and conq chest?

[outer sky]

if you dont run 4 set then you'd want to craft your chest piece

[lucid bear]

Anyone able to share the shadowstep - kidney macro?

[narrow tangle]

is it also for pvp

[lucid bear]

For focus target please.

My macro is stepping, but doesn't cast kidney when I step

[orchid plinth]

Whaazz played Legs Ncro played Chest 2set

[celest tusk]

btw i checked sethrbg stream twtich tv and someone was talkin about a macro for fc cap

anyone has idea what is that?

like an auto capture or what?>

macro for flag fc*

[orchid plinth]

The only thing we know for sure is that everyone plays Set Shoulders. Some people plays Legs and some Chest

[narrow tangle]

just buy ring and amulet

craft*

[celest tusk]

thing is

[sleek belfry]

huh

[celest tusk]

we will stay 2 set or 4set

cuz if 4set then we shud not craft chest and buy chest from conq and convert it towards 4set etc

[outer sky]

losing games to shit like this drives me crazy

[lone anvil]

4pc bonus seems decent for assassination

[crimson torrent]

is kings bane good in pvp :/

i dont see many people taking it im curious why

[lucid bear]

I like it if you're gonna totally train 1 person.

But I think the shiv talent is normally better for rot

If you can get the spread garrote/rupture out the gate and then shiv

It's wild damage.

[halcyon timber]

Its not, there is clarification in another post. Zero chance it ever would or should be anyway.

[lucid bear]

But the % dmg increase from bleeds with the shiv talent, and if you also run the 30% heal cut pvp talent

There's just so many pros to shiv

[lone anvil]

Last time I checked a good number of high rated 2v2 players use it.

My guess is in 3s youre swapping targets more often, keeping DoTs up on more people and getting CCd more often so you're less likely to get benefit of sitting on someone cracking multiple envenoms

Where as 2v2 you might get more opportunity to just train some guy

[lucid bear]

^ that

Depends the comp you're running. If you're playing with like an arcane or something crazy single target

Just kingsbane to make it unbearable.

[crimson torrent]

so for 2s

what would u replace kings bane for ?

[lucid bear]

Still the shiv talent

30% bleed dmg

[outer sky]

the choice isnt between kingsbane and arterial precision. It's between Bonespike/doomblade and Kingsbane/Master Assassin

[weary pumice]

If you take kingsbane, do you also want cold blood?

[outer sky]

Yes

and play badge

macro coldblood, badge, and tea to Kingsbane

but have a seperate bind for tea

[safe pelican]

What’s up with active bleeds preventing me from getting a re stealth as assa ?

From what I have noticed it’s always rupture preventing me from going stealth even when I’m out of combat so i can open with a silence garrote so i have to sit there and pillar until the rupture lets me go stealth or spend a vanish and be aggressive

[candid tide]

combat bug

still not fixed smh

[safe pelican]

Wow back to sub smh

🚮 game

[sweet swallow]

so is there any shot bloody tokens continue to be relevant for my main once I get crafted and conquest gear?

would they do like a tier 2 of bloody token gear next season/patch or wtv it's called

[narrow tangle]

where can I see awc gear builds

[ember nimbus]

Do you hit envenom w/o kingsbane?

[orchid plinth]

It's not Assa: it's Deathstalker. Singular Focus dealing damage puts you in combat.

[orchid plinth]

This is what the two rogues played yesterday. For the live matches today you can use https://awc.gcd.tv/ when they are playing on the Warcraft Twitch. The NA Cup 1 is today.

[forest compass]

hi guys

i login today and cant find my wepon quest can anyone help/

[indigo hill]

How do the rest of the Outlaws here open?

[surreal barn]

How much set did they have on @orchid plinth

[orchid plinth]

You should be able to decipher the picture but both rogues only played 2set for Sub. You can see the set item images are a bit purple. Shoulders and Chest in the first image and Shoulders and Legs in the second image.

[orchid plinth]

It's an achievement. The quest has been removed.

You will get the token in the mail when you complete the achievement.

[terse bolt]

Thoughts on trickster for sub at rbgs?

at least those with big unavoidable skirmishes, like the new one

[craggy silo]

[surreal barn]

Appreciate it

[safe pelican]

Thank you sir ? Is that single node or double nod

Like can i switch it to something else or do i need to play fatebound instead

[potent pivot]

Yes if you have bleeds up already

[potent pivot]

You can’t swap it. Gotta play around it.

[copper grove]

hi guys for outdoor pvp do i need to equip pve or pvp item ?

[potent pivot]

Pvp

[indigo hill]

I swear Blizzard is clowning in the circus with these Blitz match ups...

[copper grove]

bruh

[indigo hill]

Aff lock, frost mage, UDK and a Feral in one group...

[potent pivot]

[lone anvil]

IM INPROVING GUYS

[candid tide]

anybody experiencing addons causing fps drops

[tribal badger]

jesus christ

trill is pumping ILLEGAL dam as sub

awc is gunna get sub damage nerfed isnt it

[candid tide]

oh awc is on

lets get some

[blissful sparrow]

How is trill pumping so much

[narrow tangle]

built different

[odd yew]

Is this bugged? Haven't gotten progress since I got this season's mount

[craggy silo]

Same here, guess there is a mid season timer or something.

[lone anvil]

How is it possible to have all PvP epics. There isn't enough conquest or bloody tokens. TF

[craggy silo]

Are they not given full armor for it?

[lone anvil]

Ohhh

That makes sense

[graceful ravine]

oh shit Drake is back in awc

the only assa rogue

[rotund mountain]

how did you guys see builds, could some pull drakes talents?

[graceful ravine]

https://awc.gcd.tv/

flying daggers? interesting lol

[rotund mountain]

a lot of people seem to pref that

prob good for combo point building?

[graceful ravine]

maybe its only good vs pet classes

otherwise u cant even hit the 5 target cap

[rotund mountain]

but im thinking the range to build points, idk

[graceful ravine]

its only 2 more yds

not a big deal

10 vs 12

[rotund mountain]

ah i wasnt aware of its og range

[candid tide]

is there any diminishing return on stacking mastery?

[worthy crag]

yes, but if you are sub you dont care

lmao nahj's team got destroyed

maybe NA can't play rmp after all

[candid tide]

i got 90% mastery in pvp or some

idk

did i hit diminishing return yet

[worthy crag]

might be close but I'd assume you haevn't hit it. there's an addon that shows your stat's diminishing return, called "true stats" or something.

but like 30% diminished mastery is still worth more to sub than haste/crit

well maybe crit > 30% dr mastery lol but you won't reach that kind of DR in the first season that you need to worry about it

[candid tide]

kk ima check the true stats addon thanks for that

[potent pivot]

DRs start way lower than 90%

They just barely matter in the first place

[candid tide]

i gemmed wrong and went for mastery > verse

gemming wise

[potent pivot]

That’s fine

[candid tide]

but since its oneshots stuff in arena

ima just sneak it in xD

[indigo hill]

Can someone explain to me why people on the forum are saying that rogue is broken op? Who are these rogues?

[potent pivot]

Idiots

[worthy crag]

I think rogues are good enough to get a few nerfs rn, yeah

are they MM/feral/afflock level? probably not

[candid tide]

i think its balanced

[worthy crag]

idk if sin is actually op or if its just getting piggybacked by affliction pve dmg, and sub is probably better than it has ever been in the entirety of DF

probably around the level of SL season 3~4 kyrian sub

[lone anvil]

Its only cause rogues are represented on alot of AWC teams. In BG blitz, and shuffle and especially lower MMRs rogue iant broken broken

Those 1% of sub rogues making it look OP

But I also think the classes
/Specs people think is broken is often based on the class they play

[indigo hill]

Btw anyone got the Unbound Battle Achievement completed without doing all the pvp WQ 5 times?

[lone anvil]

And rogue controla the fight vs alot of classes in 1v1 cause of the utility and and CC

So I can see why a lot of non rogue mains may hate rogues

[potent pivot]

Some people did because it’s buggy

It takes 20 not 5

[indigo hill]

Im playing alright against most classes except frost mage and mm hunters.

[potent pivot]

For the big achievement

[lone anvil]

I said I struggle vs frost mage in this chat the other day and people made me feel stupid lol

Glad to know I'm not the only one

[worthy crag]

sub is also kinda getting piggybacked by the current state of frost and disc

I can see a good balance between invigorating shadows reducing 22.5 seconds off of CDs like it does currently, and then removing that talent from the game entirely. I don't think either are good

used to be 7.5 seconds per vanish in DF, they could just nerf it but removing it is rough

[candid tide]

everytime they added a preparation type of ability the will nerf or removed it soon or later

it just gives rogues toomuch versatility

[worthy crag]

It's kinda weird. It's a punishing spec in some aspects but extremely forgiving in others

like they could just pop cloak evasion during their cheese burst and theyll both be back in the next minute

not to mention deathmark gives them an infinite amount of shadowsteps

[candid tide]

still needs to able to stick on targets for all this to sync well together

[lone anvil]

Its kinda cool seeing this off meta F tier team

Since the same classes are always represented

[candid tide]

but with the many mini ccs it can really mess everything up for sub

[worthy crag]

could be the devil's advocate and say their comp is working cuz NA just isn't good enough at "real" comps 😂

[lone anvil]

That doesn't really effect my enjoyment

I like seeing people who aren't slaves to meta classes. Even if they lost id respect them

[worthy crag]

yeah micro ccs and disrupts are what drove sub to play the way it does today. I think sub is better at overcoming those right now than it has ever been

and it will be way way way worse at overcoming them post the nerf

Most trouble sticking to targets is vs triple hover evoker or frost mage running blink or totemic shamans

[lone anvil]

Are there alot of people who play enhancement in tournies?

[candid tide]

sticking to targets is the fundamental which must be practiced first imo

and its hard with the elaborated rotation

atleast i find it so

[worthy crag]

as long as you managed to apply deathmark and (ideally) rupture ticking on them, you dont really need to stick to them while waiting for DRs

[indigo hill]

Im almost a 100% certain that if you are Horde in blitz its pretty much a loss.

[candid tide]

u really think rupture alone would do the work?

[worthy crag]

the point of rupture is to add to the burst when you next connect to the target off-DR

in an extreme case, you could be doing 0 dmg to the kill target while waiting on DRs and it would be okay

[candid tide]

maybe ur right

i usallly apply it only on 2 targets maybe i should triple it up

and dr burst

[worthy crag]

could just backstab something closer to you to build CPs while you wait

I generally dont even care about multi target rupturing myself, I know others do though

[sleek belfry]

if you're deathstalker, rupture does absurd damage

[worthy crag]

its just better to haev a shadowstep or two for setting up and burst rather than spending them earlier just so you can do your rotation without stuns

[sleek belfry]

per energy spent it's aboslutely insane

[worthy crag]

its the best source of damage from the rogue yeah, but its still pad damage

[sleek belfry]

in arenas, true

[lone anvil]

Are you guys taking about sob or assassination

[worthy crag]

What I mean is that maintaining single dotting rupture vs double target rupture wont be the reason for winning/losing the match

sub

[lone anvil]

As assassination I try and keep 3 targets with rupture and garrote if possible

Ahhhh

Gotcha

[worthy crag]

oh yeah, I wouldnt want any sin rogue to take what I'm saying rn seriously

that'd be disastrous

[lone anvil]

That's why I asked for clarification lmao

I was like "hol' up"

Does this discord ever do any PvP events. I bet we could have a lot of fun with an army of rogues in world pvp

Just absolutely fucking up Stormwind or orgimar

Stealth squad

[worthy crag]

or be reduced to a band of ego flexers

[lone anvil]

Hmm?

[worthy crag]

I think rogue players are the most egomaniac of pvp players, so idk how it'd work out if there's a bunch of em grouped up 🤷‍♂️

[lone anvil]

Oh I see. I wasn't trying to get that deep. I'm just talking about playing the game and having fun haha. But I can see that

[dapper chasm]

I'm shockingly humble considering how great I am

[lone anvil]

In ESO the rogue equivalent stealth class was nightblade. And most nightblades were toxic and shitty... So even if you mained night blade there was still a good chance you hated moat of the other night blades lol

[dapper chasm]

Anyway, I came for a reason - I finished the edge graphics for my bars and shit

Look at the subtle off white colouring

The tasteful alpha of it

[lone anvil]

I was in a PvP discord called "World of PvP" and people were much more toxic than anyone in this chat. I've never had an issue with anyone here so far

[worthy crag]

I think most people use this channel for educational purposes

but encountering random XYZ amount of rogue pvpers out in the world would be a diff story

I guess you meant rogues in this channel so maybe ur right xD

[dapper chasm]

This isn't the PvP UI channel?

Where's the UI channel?

[lone anvil]

Any time I'd comment someone would ask me if I was autistic or tell me my opinion doesn't matter, shit like that. They'd make fun of me for writing essays if I wrote a thorough response to someone who asked a question ECT.

[dapper chasm]

I aint reading that paragraph

[lone anvil]

Hahaha I'm surprised at how helpful and chill everyone is

[lone anvil]

I get that

But no one here insults me if I type an essay they just ignore it and don't read it and go on their way lol

[dapper chasm]

Let's swing this conversation back to relevancy - WoW UIs

[lone anvil]

They used to also complain about how pvp is dying and all the new people coming to the game don't want to pvp.

But they literally chased me out of their discord just cause I was asking questions trying to learn. I wonder why people don't wanna pvp 🤯

[dapper chasm]

Yes, yes, but the UIs - you see...

[lone anvil]

Lmao

I'm done

[dapper chasm]

Maybe a Top 3 Obscure Addons write up would calm your tits a bit?

[lone anvil]

Please

[dapper chasm]

Or maybe you share a screenshot of the UI

No, my UI is pure fire, if I shared obscure addons they would be replicated by the sycophant masses trying to emulate my greatness

Fuck those guys

But I am open to harshly judging the UIs of others

Explaining why it sucks etc etc...

[lone anvil]

Oh Ill let you roast me in a bit. I'm at work rn

[dapper chasm]

Clearly

[lone anvil]

I've been trying to find a good UI

[candid tide]

better blizz plates and frame so good

[dapper chasm]

Behold, my UI

[candid tide]

pikaboo vs kalvish rn!

[lone anvil]

🤔 Not gay but not quite straight either.

[candid tide]

ohh kalvish 1-0 piks

[dapper chasm]

What makes it great are the animations

[candid tide]

omg!!

[dapper chasm]

The icons are animated and shit

[worthy crag]

If rogue vs rogue match is going on and one rogue is orc and the other one is nelf, just going the nelf rogue as kill target would be so easy imo

but they go for afflock and still win anyway

[dapper chasm]

Behold, my UI in combat

[worthy crag]

oof now its orc vs nelf 2v2

[dapper chasm]

Do you realise how long that shade of red took to get right?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SACRIFICED?

[lone anvil]

I like it alot actually I just wish you had like two or three centralized bars as opposed to one long bar

My eyes don't have to move around as much

[dapper chasm]

I tried many methods, this is actually better for the eye moving

[lone anvil]

I can keep my vision centralized

[dapper chasm]

You think so, but I found it better to have "zones" for a quick look rather than tunneling the bottom of the screen

Also, the CD animations are beyond sick, so easy to read

Here's some CDs popped to give an idea

I also made a "pop" sound and animation for when they come off CD

[lone anvil]

Are these videos

They're showing up as still images

[dapper chasm]

They're screencaps

I can record a video, gimme 2 mins

[vague summit]

Ugh poor pika

[worthy crag]

orc wins in a rogue mirror

just what it is

[candid tide]

omg

[vague summit]

yeah i agree

[candid tide]

bet pika is having the pressure of his life

[vague summit]

big sad

cool to see it at least

[idle nest]

how important are the set bonuses for arenas ?

im a noob at pvp, working on improving in arenas

and i don't know if switching a green pvp glove with a 606 tier gloves to get the 2-set is the right play

[worthy crag]

nah, dont think you ever want to go from a pvp gear to a non pvp gear for set bonus

just wait for catalyst charges

[idle nest]

gotcha, thanks

[craggy silo]

Have kalvis pika played or is it the one coming up?

[candid tide]

buahhh omg!

[craggy silo]

wait

[candid tide]

wham bam

[craggy silo]

how

[candid tide]

warlock exploded

this what they get for kicking jellybeans

[worthy crag]

to the nerf block with you

[dapper chasm]

Here I recorded a sample vid using my natural speaking voice

[lone anvil]

Is kavilsh an orc

[worthy crag]

yes hes playing orc in the matchup

[lone anvil]

Yeah but at this level of play I doubt racials is the reason he won

Its skill

Whoever has the quicker fingers and better starts

[worthy crag]

racials matter more at the top level of play than any other bracket

[lone anvil]

Strats*

[lime oar]

wtf did i just watch

[dapper chasm]

I fucking said already

[worthy crag]

if ur orc every single stun on you is literally a full GCD shorter

[orchid plinth]

Can anyone who's not as garbage as me on the game why they play Cloaked in Shadows over Fade to Nothing? To me Fade to Nothing really seems like a 1v1 or 2v2 2 DPS talent.

[dapper chasm]

Elegance, beauty, power - how much clearer can I be?

[orchid plinth]

If you are blind picking into Pikaboo you probably play Orc

[worthy crag]

that's the reason kalvish can target to kill pika but pika cant do it to him

[candid tide]

....

nerf bm

[orchid plinth]

MM Hunter btw

[vague summit]

oh jeez

[worthy crag]

yeah it'd be insane to not expect some serious MM nerfs after this awc

feat. sub/feral as well

[orchid plinth]

I am rooting so hard for Kalvish let's go

[worthy crag]

and affloc

liquid and move both eliminated rofl

[candid tide]

whaazz feeling the pressure rn

[worthy crag]

shuold have ported and then melded the rapid fire channel

[dapper chasm]

Look, you guys are saying fancy words like whooz and kavenshish - but can we get back to UIs?

[candid tide]

xD

[dapper chasm]

No one comes here to discuss rogue PvP

[vague summit]

MM is 100% getting nerfed

[worthy crag]

its the new dh

[outer sky]

If you're playing assa you don't want MM nerfed. Trust me

[graceful ravine]

rip the move

[worthy crag]

idk, I dont think there's a sin comp that can beat jungle if MM stays the way it is

[dapper chasm]

How did I get the icons to "pop" when mousing over, you all ask? The secret is an increase in alpha AND a subtle 10% in-frame zoom

Yes, yes, I tried 15%, but it cut off too much detail

[outer sky]

We're not playing AWC, we're playing latter. If you lose 9/10 matches against jungle but win the rest you still climb. MM being broken is the only thing stopping all of these hunters from rerolling to our hardest counter.

[worthy crag]

lmaoo

shame bicmex's teammate got banned, would have liked to see a survival comp in awc

[orchid plinth]

zicore surv hater

[worthy crag]

but yeah there's no place in 100 alternate universes where MM dodges a nerf

[vague summit]

haha I don't play wow much anymore. Not enough time with nursing school and work.

[outer sky]

Nice my wife is a nurse

Statistically it's the profession most prone to infidelity but I'm actually fine with that as long as she picks a tenured surgeon with a lot of money.

[worthy crag]

tf

[vague summit]

Good shit ! the nursing field is heavily women dominated so it's weird as a male. Fun anyways !

[outer sky]

It's my favorite hunter spec to play and my least favorite to fight

[vague summit]

Haha my wife is a veterinarian!

[warm bronze]

what makes the enchant authority of the depths so good compared to authority of radiant power

[orchid plinth]

I agree, it's a cool spec and I feel your pain!

[outer sky]

Oh hell yeah dude. You hear the one about the doctor who had sex with his patient? She was just lying there basically asking for it. The autopsy could wait. This guy was a terrible veterinarian.

[worthy crag]

Somehow I can imagine there's a person out there who'd throw that 10 yr old joke to a vet and think they are being witty

[orchid plinth]

...

[candid tide]

its for outlaw only

[outer sky]

It's like a 50 year old joke

[craggy silo]

So fucking good

[dapper chasm]

Finally

Someone who likes a good UI

[outer sky]

I had to try though. "You miss every shot you don't take." - Lee Harvy Oswald

[surreal barn]

You can upload higher res icons

[dapper chasm]

I said in-frame zoom, you dumbass - you fool

So it auto-crops

I already use 8k AI upscaled icons

God, I'm using a lot of hyphens today

Due to candy-ass punks like yourself

[safe pelican]

AWC still going on ?

[candid tide]

just finished

[safe pelican]

Or did i miss it

Who won ?

[surreal barn]

Excuse ME

[candid tide]

kalvish

3-0

[safe pelican]

Yikesssss

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/youreexcused-you-are-excused-zoolander-gif-27593990

[orchid plinth]

Yeaterday was EU today was NA tomorrow is both EU and NA upper bracket finals etc

[craggy silo]

I have been known to dabble with clean Ui's

[orchid plinth]

[craggy silo]

You need those 5 arena frames to climb, and race change to NE of course

[orchid plinth]

True though

[craggy silo]

I was doing the scirmish weekly, I have not touched arena since season start, and no idea why I have this many arena frames

[dapper chasm]

You grabbed the wrong screenshot, bro - happens to the best of us

You seem to have accidentally posted the UI equivalent of THROWING UP ON THE SCREEN

Is that... Is that fucking OVERLAP?

[craggy silo]

How else would I get all my in game information

[dapper chasm]

Zanaken UI

[stoic spruce]

once again

I out damage a sub rogue

yall just delete the game

please

youre embarassing yourselves

[craggy silo]

guys! guys! I stood in middle with flurry on, guys!

[stoic spruce]

no I played the objective and carried

[warm bronze]

one last question. Why are most outlaws going mastery now?

[craggy silo]

Proud of you

[stoic spruce]

I know its hard for a sub rogue to understand

[stoic spruce]

no clue

I may do the same idk

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-fake-news-gif-11382583

[worthy crag]

sub rogue is like the last spec in the game that'd care about the damage meter

[stoic spruce]

and?

ive played wow since 04 and ive yet to see a sub rogue play an objective for do anything right

[worthy crag]

uh huh

[orchid plinth]

[stoic spruce]

ninja cap

efc

something productive

literally do anything besides attempting to pick off stragglers in mid

and complain about losing

[orchid plinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/sfurytv there you go

[stoic spruce]

I am not watching a wow streamer ever

[worthy crag]

if ur talking about rated bg/blitz, maybe ur at the mmr where you'd run into that level of players yourself.

[stoic spruce]

im talking about all time

not just blitz

[worthy crag]

maybe you just don't notice the good ones because they are subtle

[stoic spruce]

hehehe

[sleek belfry]

think that's a you problem then friend

[stoic spruce]

I see what you did there

[stoic spruce]

how so?

sub rogue throwing is everyones problem

ope another sub rogue

lets see what happens

I want to say there should be a cap on how many rogues in a given blitz but I havent thought of the ramifications

[orchid plinth]

Well it is a very... volatile spec. Good players (everyone here) make it look good and bad players (me) makes it look bad.

[worthy crag]

im sure there's a cosmic being out there that dictates every sub player is bad

[stoic spruce]

me

[lucid lark]

sub rogue is king of blitz vs sub rogue is useles. pick one, community

[stoic spruce]

i am that being

#teamsuless! rahhhh

[worthy crag]

or just have everyone share this belief so we never get nerfed

give us 10 charges of vanish, we need halp

[lucid lark]

sub might be the only answer to shutting down evoker and MW FCs on CTF, and if they ever find a solo guarding off base/carts on non ctf, all the rogue has to do is sap and cap. if trinket, blind and cap. Only lock/hunter/UH can stop it with pet if solo

imo sub is insanely strong in blitz in a checkmate kind of way and not a "this spec is strong" kinda way

[orchid plinth]

Let's just say they the highest rated Blitz players duo queues Sub + MW

[candid tide]

i dont understand why nobody on my team ever just jump all on the healer..

[dapper chasm]

From a UI perspective, I gotta say; Sub is King and other specs were put in to help old rogue players introduce their 4 year olds to the game

[orchid plinth]

I haven't even jumped into Blitz should give it a try when I'm sober

[candid tide]

its no jk

its pretty serious bg experience

[lucid lark]

i alwasy put pressure on healers no matter what by blowing up the main target and trying to CC the second one

[dapper chasm]

Dumbass, the DK is only on 20% HP - so close, why would I go on the FULL HEALTH healer?

[orchid plinth]

Why kill the healer when you can bomb kidney gouge blind duel them

[candid tide]

yeah but like just from the get go just jump the damn healer

[last jasper]

Who has recently completed the 2500сq achievement? Did you receive any tokens?

[dapper chasm]

Dumbass, they're at the back and the prot warrior is RIGHT THERE

[candid tide]

smh

[dapper chasm]

I haven't tried these rated BGs yet - are they any good?

Is it just random BGs?

[candid tide]

its serious bg

[stoic spruce]

they aight

[candid tide]

everybody tries so fkin hard in blitz

[orchid plinth]

You get two tokens in the mail. I've heard some people having bugs with it due to some conquest quests etc it counting for the 2.5k part.

[dapper chasm]

Last time I did a rated BG was back in Cata (when the game was relevant)

[candid tide]

like a rog would waste all his cds just to distrupt anybody trying to cap

[last jasper]

yea, I know. The problem is I didn't get any on my alt. And support said "gtfo"

[lone anvil]

Wrath was peak, Cata was pretty bad

[dapper chasm]

Cata was fine, it was the next day after the party

[lone anvil]

Isn't cataclysm when they got rid of the ability to make custom talent trees and stream lined anything

I quit during cata cause they made tons of huge game changes

[dapper chasm]

Those custom trees was just "Get shadowstep, then get 31 elsewhere"

[lone anvil]

No if you honestly believe that you didnt play back then

[orchid plinth]

Were you even good back then? You talk too much to be good

[candid tide]

i was high rated in cata but in pvp wise current retail is way harder than in cata

[lone anvil]

There were custom specs. Shamans could off tank.

Shockadin was a holy paladin off meta playstyle.

For awhile you could go into protection tree on pally and have better heals than the healers

[orchid plinth]

I was duelist in S3 TBC as Feral that's it am now a washed dad gamer.

[candid tide]

gameplay now is 10x faster pace

[lone anvil]

Are you trying to diminish the value of my statements by how well I performed?

How is my gameplay relevent

[orchid plinth]

Now I was talking to Zanaken does a lot of friendly banter here about how the game was so much better back then here

[lone anvil]

I mained a ret paladin and played Ret Paladin/boom kin for 2v2 and stayed in the 1900 range but broke 2100 once. But ret wasn't meta. And boom wasn't meta. And ret + boom wasn't meta

But it was easier to do good back then

The nerds have min maxed everything lol

[stoic spruce]

Blitz is not the place to get conquest it seems

[last jasper]

It's just his manner of communication

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wedding-veil-expectations-kevin-mcgarry-mcgarries-rose-colored-glasses-gotta-get-rose-colored-glasses-gif-27368443

[dapper chasm]

I was rank 1 in Stormscale

For like

a day

[candid tide]

Stormscale eu was that server in tbc

Durotar was filled with duels over there

[lone anvil]

People sleeping on Gorefiend and Eldre' Thalas

[dapper chasm]

The duels were pretty epic

[lone anvil]

😤

[dapper chasm]

All ex-rank1s just chilling

[stoic spruce]

alright gamers

time to try KiR in blitz

[orchid plinth]

GLHF

[sleek belfry]

inb4 someone comes in complaining about how every single outlaw is useless in bgs

[orchid plinth]

Vengeful Gladiator Zanaken <ZOMBIES>

[dapper chasm]

The day we hit our max rank was not the last day of the season I'm afraid

Back in MY day, we needed 2.2k just to be allowed to EQUIP PROPER WEAPONS

[stoic spruce]

very interesting grandpa

[dapper chasm]

Your MUM'S a grandpa

[lone anvil]

I just really like cats

[stoic spruce]

dont

I think its the double SD thats giving my dam

I need that new patch to get here

[jolly sierra]

a hello kitty girl nooo GTFO go away

[dull bridge]

legit dark times

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/really-i-cant-wth-wtf-sassy-gif-17141015

[solemn plover]

are the pinned builds still the go-to?

[waxen meteor]

these mother fucker healer flager thing

is so annoying

why do i keep running into it

and they think they are good

[potent pivot]

Pretty much yeah

[wind spire]

Which slots did yall craft duskthread on?

[terse bolt]

is tier set worth the loss of some mastery for sub?

[potent pivot]

Now that they’ve nerfed it in pvp we may only use 2P

[pliant mauve]

The nerfs are already live?

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t matter, just has to be on a leather piece. Boots and bracers are what I went with

[potent pivot]

The tier set nerf? I assume so

[odd yew]

2pc being shoulders + pants?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[odd yew]

Good because that's all I have rn

I have 2100 conquest and don't know what I "should" buy

[potent pivot]

Wouldn’t really matter either way

In a couple more weeks we’ll have full bis

[odd yew]

For rings is it better just to get 2 crafted rings with vers/mast? If I'm doing math right they cost the exact same if you were to buy heraldrys with your conquest

[potent pivot]

Ye

Rings, boots and bracers are safe crafts

We could technically get a pve ring but most people won’t bother

Everyone’s been posting the awc player’s load outs over the weekend

Can always take a look at those for inspiration on what to do

[stoic spruce]

Born to keep it rolling

Forced to Hidden Opportunity

[stoic lava]

any outlaw enjoyers in the chat?

[potent pivot]

A bunch of us ye

[indigo hill]

When I'm winning, yeah.

[dapper chasm]

This is how outlaw rogues see themselves

This is what they actually look like

[stoic spruce]

Never seen a cool sub rogue

Lots of movies about pirates though

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-beverly-hills-ninja-ninja-sneak-sneaking-gif-19613251

Sub rogue

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-guns-gun-gif-22261382

Outlaw Rogue

[stoic lava]

Outlaw is quite based, how you guys feelin about vers/mast vs crit/vers this season

[stoic spruce]

Vers mast feels good and has been working great so far

Which is a bad sign generally

[stoic lava]

What build you rockin as vers mast?

[fierce cosmos]

!wa

[lethal roost]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[hot ermine]

What's the knockback item/spell rogues can use?

[stoic lava]

Is there one? Iassume its just a kultiran?

[hot ermine]

Oh maybe that's it

[grave grail]

!craft

[gusty hedge]

they all slap imo. in open world blitz and bgs. havent really tested arena or ss.

mastery vers slaps with trickster. i havent tested woth fatebound. crit vers deletes people with fatebound(bte)

[gusty hedge]

kt and stun punch knockback
there also items from warmode vendor that can knockback/knock up in pvp/world(non rated)