pvp

[candid tide]

or idk

i cant kill hunters

[spring bough]

Heavy hitters pretty good you do a lot of ambushes and pistols. I just wanted to drop it so I could get the 3% verse talent. Then I said screw it for blinding too and took dirty deeds cause I do cheap a lot and sap a lot and that not costing energy is actually really helpful

[lavish gorge]

Earlier you were discussing potentially switching to greenskin, what would you be trading off for that?

[potent pivot]

cto

[spring bough]

That would be next patch. Drop cto for it

But cto probably still gonna be better tbh

If you don’t get those extra 12 second buffs or whatever it is. Energy starvation can happen

[lavish gorge]

I also cheap and sap way more than blind.

Hm hm. A lot to think about. @candid tide get the opener. Feign trap is your bane.

Its honestly pretty free so long as they don't trap and you have the opener.

[molten hedge]

Anyone have a shadow step macro that targets nearest party member. I don’t wanna have to think about stepping to party 1 or 2

[lavish gorge]

Oh and evasion is your best friend.

Just do a mouse over cast macro

[molten hedge]

I’d rather not. It’s an option and I appreciate you

But I have shadowstep bound to Q. I want a modifier that when I press Cntrl Q it steps to the nearest friendly

[potent pivot]

i don't think anything exists to do that

there's even "smart macros" that you can put @healer into to step your healer always

but nothing that will smart target different players based on position

[lime oar]

Prob just do @healer

[molten hedge]

There is /target friend that works

But that’s bad I just realized

Bc it could be a melee right there lmaooo

[potent pivot]

yep

[lavish gorge]

Yeah thats the simplest solution. There are target nearest enemy macros but,

If you wanted you could just do a tab target keybind for allies

[molten hedge]

I guess I’ll do control Q for healer and alt Q for party 2

I’ll just do a Ctrl and Alt mod. Been a while since I’ve made a mod macro but I’m sure I can find the bones of one easy

[lavish gorge]

I'll do some edits and let you know if I come up with anything later

[untold remnant]

Why tho? It is nerfed in PvP to 5% bleed damage. If you put mastery on those two pieces with crafts, you probably gain more damage independent of the 2-set stacks

[loud ember]

I wouldn't know I'm not a theory crafter. Just going off what the nerds told me

[potent pivot]

from what i've heard as well everyone is planning on using it

[safe pelican]

Can someone @ me with the Nov patch notes again

Or is it in pins ?

[potent pivot]

assa still interacts well with crit/haste so you really don't lose anything using the set

[potent pivot]

search google

[candid tide]

what is this shit ingame when dudes flames ur ass in whisper, and then when u whisper back it says player is currently not playing lol

mfos

[potent pivot]

either they ignored you or logged out

[candid tide]

fk man..

chill

[spring bough]

Or opposite faction too

I think u can whisper opposite faction briefly after matches end for a minute or so then it’s done

[candid tide]

ah ye that could be the reason too idd

[spring bough]

I got called the British curse word the other day and somehow I’m suspended for a week for calling someone a moron

[candid tide]

im struggling hard at 1500 cant reach that 1600 yet

[spring bough]

This games ridiculous lmao

[celest burrow]

PVP wins and losses for some are not generally about being rational but emotional 🙂

[spring bough]

I’m disabling chat from here on out not worth it lmao. I’m sure all the people that called me rere’s and cn’s are all still running around Scott free too

[indigo hill]

I dont even have my chat active. Too many people lose their shit over nothing.

Just noticed exiles reach is finally rewarding boots

[static mason]

Is there a trickster outlaw build that’s good rn?

Or comparable to fate

[potent pivot]

there's one that's ok, don't think it's as good as fatebound though

[safe pelican]

Can’t find it anywhere bruv

[potent pivot]

try wowhead and click the thing at the top that says 11.0.5

[potent pivot]

that will make it so that you only see 11.0.5 news posts

[tacit crane]

It doesn't look as bad as they showed

[lone anvil]

Another day and I got another nooby question for the rogue gang 🙏🏼

Is there any strat out there for mages or is the strat just cloak and run and fight someone else.

I can have everything off of cooldown and still blow all my CDs and lose to a mage and he will be sitting at like half health or higher like he didnt even break a sweat (if we are in a 1v1 at a resource or something fighting over a flag)

[candid tide]

why they decide to buff bm smh

as if mm is not enough

[lone anvil]

I feel like if I can get an open on hunters I normally wreck them. Especially if my shadow steps are off CD. Sometimes I get juked by the feign death and think I killed them lol

Only time a hunter is a problem for me is like in a BG or something when I'm tsrgetting someone else and they free cast

[candid tide]

think i need to put more cc presssure on the healer

toomuch defensive on that bugger hunter

[lone anvil]

Mages though.....mages 😓

I also use disarm sometimes if I'm fighting hunters

[candid tide]

i handle mages pretty well often, because they blow up real quick in blades dance

[lone anvil]

Teach me your ways brother

I need to learn the whey

[candid tide]

well mages u wanna blow them up right of the opener in shuffle

[lone anvil]

(is blade dance outlaw)

((I'm assassination if it matters))

[candid tide]

have no exp with outlaw

havent played assa in a while

[indigo hill]

Outlaw doesn't have blade dance.

[lone anvil]

Ah

[loud ember]

mages are pretty easy to 1v1

just realize when you're getting kited and stop getting kited

[candid tide]

ya and at low rating they block asap

[loud ember]

offensive cloak usage can also make the difference if you catch them early blocking

i have good success with step dodging their casts

or just running through them constantly to LOS

[craggy silo]

go on win streak, hit 1900 get one loss insta 1600 lobby...

[loud ember]

man i have not touched bg blitz queues

even though it seems like an easy 1800

im an old man and change is scary

[craggy silo]

it can be an easy 2.2, all depends on win streak or not.

[jolly sierra]

for me i had a win streak and still q w me at lower lobbies bruh

[spring bough]

It will happen all the way to the top. When I was 1850+ I had dudes that were 2200-2400 rating in my games and they said the rating vs MMR difference never stops

[craggy silo]

yea guess it is, it just started happening too me on Monday, started climbing on Friday and was comfy in 2.2k at 1860 never lost rating if I lost then Monday first queue of the day I started getting the cursed lobby's and gotten them since taken me until now to climb up to 1900. Legit been hardstuck at 1850-1870 for 3-4 days.

lose 20 gain 6

[jolly sierra]

does that MMR crap happens in SS too?

or u will just face low rated healers as usual?

[craggy silo]

it happens in shuffle too, win 5 lose rating.

[candid tide]

does it matter which cq legs i buy to convert to tier?

or result will be the same

[craggy silo]

always the same stat no matter what stats it had

[candid tide]

gotcha ty

[little prawn]

hey guys do we wait for these rank rewards or we can collect them now?

[candid tide]

ohhh the vicious sockets are lowered in honor cost now

thank god

[lone anvil]

Easier said than done lol. If I'm on a rogue without defensive CDs up and not close to things to kite and hide behind I basically feel like I'm standing there waiting to die useless

Like if you're defending goldmine on Gilneas and a mage goes to assault it and you're forced to pop out on them

There's not much in that area to kite

I'm using that as an example because that's the most recent experience that came to mind but there's other times I'm forced out of stealth in less than ideal locations (ideally is wait to fight in a place with LoS but it's not always available)

[lone anvil]

Wait really? How much are they now

[candid tide]

5k

from 9k

[lone anvil]

I thought they were 12.5k before

Each vicious bloodstone was 2500 x3 and then an additional 5k for the socket

[potent pivot]

they were 15k before

socket was 9500 and 2x bloodstones were 2500ea or w/e

[lone anvil]

What

[candid tide]

too brutal

[lone anvil]

I've been paying 2500 for 3 bloodstones and then 5000 for the socket

Which vendor are you guys using

[potent pivot]

because it was changed

originally it was going to be 15k total

[lone anvil]

Ohhhhhh

So it changed again or it's still 12500

[potent pivot]

it hasn't changed again

[candid tide]

its 5k now ez grabs

[jolly sierra]

i think ill play lazily this season

[spring bough]

I’ve had some 1900 rated games with 500 rated healers in solo shuffle

So yeah it happens there too but not as often

And some of those games the 500 rated healer gets more wins than the 1800+ one 😂

[jolly sierra]

XD

[pliant spoke]

what tier pieces are assass rogues wanting?

[craggy silo]

same as sub I think, mas vers is bis stat for all 3 spec as far as I know.

[lone anvil]

I heard that alot of these issues you guys are describing is because the MMR got reset before this expansion

[candid tide]

should we buy both cq weapons?

i just bought 1

[lone anvil]

My buddy was explaining the way it works from a programming perspective and he said the system doesn't really know where to place people yet and that's why mismatches are occuring more regularly

[candid tide]

save 1 token for some later maybe idk

[craggy silo]

over all you would want to craft both weapons, so buy weapons if you did not craft it, you have the token.

[runic trench]

Are ele shamans meant to be so hard to kill

I was in a dh/sub/fury/ele lobby with a disc and resto druid healer

[potent pivot]

not true

[candid tide]

i alr crafted 2

[runic trench]

The shaman was unkillable

[craggy silo]

then you get for off spec or transmog

[runic trench]

I'm pretty sure crit is bis for outlaw

[potent pivot]

if you didn't craft 639 weps you would yes

if you crafted a wep already then use the 2nd token on w/e

[candid tide]

i have both algari daggs but one is blue for later to recraft to epic

i use 1 cq weap now since its epic

have 1 token left

[potent pivot]

then buy 1 conq dagger

[craggy silo]

you could still buy daggers for world pvp since crafted is capped at 610

[potent pivot]

what

[candid tide]

not if their epic

[potent pivot]

you can craft 626 and 639 ilvl

[candid tide]

yeah just need heralries

but dang mang

shouldve done rings instead

[craggy silo]

yes, I said for world pvp, so you have a higher ilvl outside of pvp tag.

[lone anvil]

So the rest of y'all are out here bonking mages 1v1?

I gotta get the sauce. Amy of you guys record gameplay or stream. Id love to see your magic at work ✨

Cause to me mages are like the one thing I struggle with most. My brick wall is you will

[spring bough]

Loads of shadowsteps, grapple hooks, shiv them. Stun em every time. They melt lol

[tawdry imp]

How do two shadowsteps fight two blinks, one displacement, alter time, blink restored by alter time

[lone anvil]

Can I watch you stream sometime lol

[worthy crag]

I think if theres no pillar for rogue to get a clean reset, mage has the advantage

[lone anvil]

I try all of that and end up dead watching a mage with 70% health jump over my body

[worthy crag]

but most mages arent good enough to really 1v1 a rogue

[lone anvil]

I'm talking about fights in BG without LoS not arena

[worthy crag]

so its an easy match for most rogues

[jolly sierra]

some of those bastards blink inmediately the stun

[spring bough]

If they block you gotta run away and get another stealth eve try time

Second they block your running for cover

Bandage or vial if you can

Get em sapped if possible and go again

[lone anvil]

Can I invite you to my discord and have you share screen sometime. Is that a weird request

I'm being serious when I wanna say I wanna just watch and take notes lol

[jolly sierra]

ask them for DM

[spring bough]

I can’t play until Wednesday soooo lol

Kinda suspended 🤷‍♂️

[worthy crag]

If ur talking about a random encounter in bgs or world then they most likely would run shimmer and not blink

so its doable

[potent pivot]

There’s voice chats in this server as well

[jolly sierra]

or just go to a VC and let them show u

[potent pivot]

If you wanted to stream

[jolly sierra]

what have u done now cmon

[lone anvil]

He's a real man now

I can't wait until I get my first account ban

[potent pivot]

Playing trickster got him in trouble with the law

[spring bough]

Someone called me a see you next Tuesday. Another guy called me an idiot in the not nice way. And then I called one of them a moron. And I got hit somehow lol

[lone anvil]

Its a writ of passage

[jolly sierra]

bruh

i always insult ppl in EU and never got bans

[spring bough]

I think I realized you can’t spam “get to fking DR two inc” 10x either

I think that’s what really got me this time is the spam communication in blitz

[jolly sierra]

i think NA players are sharking hard the TOS rulings there

[spring bough]

Some guy told me my comms were useless for calling incs and I called him an idiot lol

That probably got me

Idiot is a reportable word now and I keep forgetting

[jolly sierra]

ye

[potent pivot]

You’d be surprised

[jolly sierra]

tbh ive called worse stuff

[lone anvil]

So far in my experience my teammates in WoW are far more toxic than my opponents.

In ESO if you T bag someone, them and 6 of their mates you never met got beef with you and want you dead.

In WoW I never get hate mail from OPPS it's just angry disgruntled teammates spamming BG chat insulting each other (which is horrible for morale for one, and also it's a 20 year old game bruh wtf are you raging about)

I finally got wise and turned chat off in bgs

[jolly sierra]

im not, im a ygo player

a YCS champion sharks hard the rules to get wins

by forcing mistakes

[jolly sierra]

what a rat

[spring bough]

It’s always a teammate talking shit

[spring bough]

You’re so troll I love it

[stoic spruce]

<3

[jolly sierra]

nothing w nationality, guy is american and i think they exploits everything to get wins

can happen similar w wellinth

if they can exploit a mistake, they will

and u are like me dude

u are hotheaded

XD

[spring bough]

I put an appeal in and I couldn’t even get the evidence lol. Just got a nope you’re done till Wednesday lol

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[spring bough]

I was like. Can you follow up on the guy that called me the C word and the R word and did they get banned too??

[jolly sierra]

or the K word

the classic one

[worthy crag]

never pleayed league I see

[surreal barn]

I only type the class to attack and “lol”

Everything else is off limits

[lone anvil]

No but I played Valorant for like 3 months lol

[spring bough]

Last time I put “lmao” in solo the healer attacked me for being toxic

[jolly sierra]

i have a very big record in /laugh emotes at players

according to knaifu

[spring bough]

I was like huh how is laughing at someone getting one shot toxic

[tawdry imp]

the bit I don't get about how triggered people get is that most people are at the youngest, late 20s, early 30s

[safe pelican]

Mage Nerf +1

[safe pelican]

I found it btw Trickz ty king 💯 @potent pivot

[craggy silo]

Anyone else not getting prog?

[spring bough]

Looks like u already got the mount lol

[craggy silo]

yes, I meant for the saddle

[lone anvil]

When they get mad and start raging at people I usually say "it's a 20 year old wizard and elf game why are you taking it so seriously"

In my experience this has only made it worse. They usually respond "20 years and people still don't know how to play" which enforces my point more than it helps them lol. Not everyone has been playing for 20 years. But getting upset over a game means it's time to touch grass. We all get worked up at times but it's really not worth it. Especially a game as old as WoW

[jolly sierra]

sometimes they insults my language

so i told them "if im bad for speaking spanish then u are trash for not getting enough XP to play decently"

nothing happens

a guy once told me without any context "hope ur mom dies in a car accident" and left the skirmish

then did a 2v1 and told him "look, i won, i'll fuck ur mum now"

ye, pvp is toxic without any reason, u need to get thick skin

same for sharkers

probably the worst ones

[pliant spoke]

which is what? lol i dont play sub

[craggy silo]

you skip head or hands, its debatable.

[spring bough]

It’s called being highly enthusiastic. Competitive. And wanting to win 10/10 times 😂

[craggy silo]

I cant really talk for assa set bonus tho, not sure how good the 4set is. I guess it makes prolonged fights easier

[jolly sierra]

i think if we both go to a bar and become drunk maybe will insult all ppl watch us with mean faces

[tawdry imp]

timewalking dungeon btw, because the tank was too slow for their liking

actual mental illness

[spring bough]

I can’t get drunk anymore because I do that 😂

[tawdry imp]

your first achievement was in 2008, you are a grown adult, get your shit together

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[spring bough]

Did they vote to kick? Cause that usually happens

[jolly sierra]

i got insulted by a dk once

[tawdry imp]

No the tank said feel free to leave, he went silent and only at the end of the dungeon said this and quit

pussy

[jolly sierra]

because according to him i did nothing in the bg

then started showing me his HKs achivs

asked him for a rated one

was unable to

[tawdry imp]

lmao

[jolly sierra]

so i just called him out and insulted him hard af

[tawdry imp]

I mean if someone starts it I don't care what gets said to them

[jolly sierra]

the softest thing ive told him was could mean nothing

[spring bough]

Is that custom or the yarrrrrr addon

[tawdry imp]

just can't fathom deciding to just flame some random dude, I just don't care that much

[jolly sierra]

because he could kill a lowbie and getting progress

[stoic spruce]

yarr add on with owospeak

[spring bough]

I figured it out. Instead of shit talking. Give out the nicest compliments to people playing like shit

Reverse psychology them

[stoic spruce]

compliment with owospeak

[jolly sierra]

are u with a furryspeak filter?

cmon

[stoic spruce]

yes

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDD

[spring bough]

Is that real…. Someone made a furry speak addon??

No comment on that lmaooo

[tawdry imp]

that message straight up cloak vanished

where'd it go

[spring bough]

Saw a video of some furry in HS beating up a chick. They are wild lol

[lone anvil]

Sure you're 100% right I'm not even saying I'm bothered by it deeply enough to cry or report people.

I laugh. In my discord for my other MMO we have a hate whisper tab where we all link hate messages we get.

I'm just not used to getting it from teammates more than opposition. In my experience it's more productive or constructive to motivate your team in other ways like "that isn't work out , let's try this we got this!" It sounds cheesy but calling your teammates idiots because you're mad you're losing ia going to make people play worse.

Even from a selfish perspective. If I want people to do what I want. Its more effective to be polite. That's why sociopaths are often charming

[jolly sierra]

same

and ye

is just dumb to insult

even more

high rated ppl usually doesnt insult

by start

[spring bough]

I’ve tried the “let’s keep it together we got this” route and people still talk shit to you lol

[lone anvil]

Pain

[jolly sierra]

always the kazzak player bruh

[tawdry imp]

video game VERY serious

[jolly sierra]

this is because i didnt moved on to another base from ST in a blitz ||(spoiler, we won xd)||

this was in cata classic

[spring bough]

Do you like record your chat 😂

[jolly sierra]

when it becomes funny i do

[spring bough]

Might need to do that to save my ass from the next time 😂

[tawdry imp]

also I generally assume things are my fault because I am bad

I envy the blind confidence of these idiots who are always 100% convinced it's their teammates

what a wonderful world it must be to be perfect

and yet somehow in the rating range of new players

[jolly sierra]

when u know ur shit

u know they are wrong

[slender ember]

Is there a BIS gearing / gear guide for Assa? I'm confused on all the crafting stuff and what I should get

[potent pivot]

There’s a beginning guide linked in the pins, other than that just look at a few high ranking players and copy

[jolly sierra]

do it so u show us a funny moment

[proud spire]

Think im ditching tier completely

[stoic spruce]

sending them trash gear in the mail is bis

[jolly sierra]

u know the best move?

spam their mailbox w pickaxes and BS hammers

and with COD by like 1k each

so they do the time to delete it all and if they misclicks get some gold lol

[nova viper]

seeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spring bough]

My favorite was some guy emoting the other day. Did like 20x of something like “I’m better” so I whispered him his emote after I 1v2 him and his teammate and he went all ?????????

[lone anvil]

Ohhhh 👀

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

need more screenshots

[spring bough]

I think I did I’ll have to check that one when I get home lol

[lone anvil]

This is kind of off topic.

But when I played games on PS5 it was always recording gameplay and you just hit options and you could save the last 30 seconds last minute last 5 min ECT. So if something super random happened or was convenient cause you could always clip it even if you weren't prepared to. You didn't have to proactively be recording anything. You just retroactively saved whenever you wanted

Sometimes I have the urge to save a clip of someone like 1 shotting me in PvP or the rare occasion I do something cool, like the other day when I 1v3d the EFC in warsong.

Is there an equivalent kind of recording method for WoW pc players

[dull bridge]

nvidia shadowplay

[lone anvil]

Bet

[warped gate]

All three rogue specs, rogue family reunion.

[jolly sierra]

lol

[dull bridge]

3 rogue brothers and the warrior, their mentally challenged cousin

[jolly sierra]

that is offensive lol

[lone anvil]

One time this ret paladin and I were demolishing people in the off brand AB BG (the one with shrines, ruins, market, quarry ECT.) but we were like 2v3ing and 2v4ing.

I whisper the guy and say "we are both soft little kittens" as a compliment, because to me nothing is cooler than a small soft cat.

Apparently he thought I was insulting him or calling him weak because he responded "maybe you are f**** weirdo. I'm doing just fine"

[gilded gulch]

male human ret paladins

[jolly sierra]

was he a male human?

[lone anvil]

Female human in game but probably a male lol

[jolly sierra]

close

[warped gate]

AND THE WINNER IS..!!!

[lone anvil]

My first wow character was a male human ret pally

[warped gate]

||.. The priest. ||

[lone anvil]

LOL

[jolly sierra]

same, at lvl 10 w a trial acc

[warped gate]

Sub kept beating my ass.

The Assa was just flopping around like your lil' brother that follows you around.

[candid tide]

Pvp gear is totally useless this expansion, everybody goes crafted

[warped gate]

Warrior just zugged.

[warped gate]

Gotta get PvP gear to turn into tier.

And gotta get PvP gear to warm the bench for the crafted stuff.

[candid tide]

They say ull need only 2 tier

[warped gate]

They said you'll need no tier until the buffs came.

[candid tide]

Getting four tier is not optimal min max

Algari epic crafts better

[jolly sierra]

fkn rshams

[warped gate]

He got his shit pushed WAAAAAY the fuck in.

The warrior got so mad at the guy that he ignored my target call and just trained him the whole last round.

"/S FUCKING RESTO SHAM IS TRASH"

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[warped gate]

Round started, I Sapped, snuck around for a bit, and then round ended.

I thought we lost and then saw we won, then that happened above.

[jolly sierra]

the big issue

here

is playing as rsham in SS

when ppl just moves everywhere

[warped gate]

Yeah, I see Earthern drop and the dudes just run out of it and I'm like:

Only thing they really got that's guaranteed is dropping that Spirit Link.

Pallies though, those dudes just flop.

I usually try not to bother with healers.. except pallies.

I gotta go off the target for a sec because of defensives? Ehhh, smack the pally for a bit until it drops and oh, we got the pally near to death? Bet, say less.

Even better if you got a priest that's on point to drop that bubble.

[jolly sierra]

i hate hpals too

as a ret alt and against

they are useless against casters w their big inmunities, they can fuck up all ur burst and their forberance debuff just fuck off ur own bubble as ret

[spring bough]

Resto sham is such an easy train

Second they link. Kill it swap back mow them down

[jolly sierra]

ye

also u can sabotage em by forcing his dps to run out

[spring bough]

Am I down bad for wow. If I go play PTR and do 70-80 campaign cause it’s the only thing I can play

[warped gate]

I think I just got my first taste of win trading.

Healers just afking and barely healing on both teams.

I reported one, but I can't get the other, he didn't talk in the match and I got nothing to right click.

Also I found out if you PM someone a bad word, WoW warns you before the PM comes in, and you get a hyperlinked option to report them.

[spring bough]

Yeah it sucks ass lmao

If you don’t think a word is included on that report list it probably is lmao

[lone anvil]

I was in a WSG yesterday and the Pres Evoker on our team had 0 kills 0 deaths 0 damage and 24 mil healing and the match timed out and he was there from the start

[gusty hedge]

seen this name in a few blitz earlier

[lone anvil]

Look at the pres evoker on our team at the bottom

Literally useless

Was probably hiding and healing himself

[warped gate]

tf

Some dudes are so damn scared of dying, I swear.

You ain't gonna die in real life if you go in the game, wtf.

[stoic spruce]

ive been saying that shit for years

bro

its costed so many games

because they wont extend

[jolly sierra]

lemme tell u something

[jolly sierra]

when i fall from a high place, i trigger my acrophobia

feel some kind of chill in my body when that happens

[surreal barn]

This is super evident in the orb carrying matches

[lone anvil]

When everyone's standing on the side of the pit too timid to fight for mid control

[surreal barn]

Yeah

[lone anvil]

The problem in that map is you have to enter together as a unit

Or you very well could be one shot and then you're on a 20 sec timer lol

[lone anvil]

I try and leeroy Jenkins it sometimes and it's just shitty and hard to retake

[warped gate]

^ THIS.

[surreal barn]

Next time put it on /y and yell it to the world

They will follow

[idle root]

anyone else's conquest weapon quest simply disappeared?

[lone anvil]

✍️✍️✍️

[lone anvil]

Not sure exactly but they changed how it works

I think they got rid of the quest entirely

And when you hit 2500 a token shows up in the mail or your bag or something

I got my conq weapons but I have the memory of a goldfish lol

[potent pivot]

It was changed into an achievement

[idle root]

oh... that explains it, tyvm

[sturdy canopy]

I have lost 10 rated solo bfs in a row, almost top on leaderboards for objectives on every game for my team

Is it this much of a shit show for anyone else or am I just a:bad
B:unlucky

Bgs*

[worthy crag]

8v8 is too much variance and 10 is still a fairly small size, just gotta be consistently good for the best results

and it looks like arena123 macros are still not fixed

[surreal barn]

Have you all just had people afk in your blitz yet

And leave

Someone on the other team should get benched

[lone anvil]

I go on streaks like the one you're describing and then the next week I'll win 5 straight. I think it just depends on how RN-Geezus is feeling ATM

[graceful ravine]

lol

[deep flume]

@lone anvil what build are u on, your're PUMPIN

[lone anvil]

Haha what makes you say that 😂 are you mocking me for what I said in chat yesterday LOL

[deep flume]

nah homie I just saw ur scoreboard

i dont take shots lol

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-waiting-check-watch-gif-27333543

[lone anvil]

Well ty. Im assassination, death stalker. Indiscriminate carnage is a carry.

And rogue just started pumping for me I've been struggling up until this week

But I got like 5 significant gear upgrades this week and got my av iLvl to 635 in PvP and damage feels really really good for the first time

Prior to this week even when I played well and got top kills in a bg id still always be middle of the pack on damage. And I got rolled in solo shuffle too

I dont know what I'm doing though I think I copied a build from icy veins or from a guy on Murlock io or something

@deep flume

[deep flume]

hell yea

thats in rated solo bgs?

[lone anvil]

Umm that screenshot I linked was from a normal BG not rated. But I have a 9-0 K/D from rated on the same build

It performs well in both settings

[deep flume]

can u wisp me the tree?

[lone anvil]

Yeah I'm at work though and I logged out with my PvE build on

[deep flume]

just got done gettin rolled by a feral while trying to spin

[lone anvil]

So I'll send it when I get home tonight

[deep flume]

ty!

[graceful ravine]

2400 secured

[proud spire]

Grats brother

[lime oar]

Here I am at 1609

People are so quick to blame rogue on blitz. It’s crazy

[proud spire]

It takes a LARGE amount of games at 20 a game and them being 9min each

[spring bough]

2645 what is that guy on 😂

[lone anvil]

Looks like a druid to me

[spring bough]

Lmao I know he’s on Druid. I meant it as what crack is he on to be that high rating already lol

[lone anvil]

Ik lmao

Sorry

[lime oar]

I was just trying to stall a MW fc and warrior on wsg. Meanwhile teams getting clowned in mid. And aff lock blames me for not following the MW and spamming sap ….

[graceful ravine]

#13!

[lime oar]

Teach me your ways

[graceful ravine]

play selflessly and always go for objectives

esp on fc maps, i suicide into the efc often

going against seth

uh oh

[lone anvil]

Who's that? Is that someone from this discord?

That everyone knows

[graceful ravine]

#1 rogue blitz

[lone anvil]

Oh a celebrity

@graceful ravine GL sir 🫡

[graceful ravine]

sweeet

i defended farm with my life

[lone anvil]

Good shit man

Also Who's that monk popping off with a 7-0 in a lobby with 2700s in it

Is he another celebrity

[graceful ravine]

he lost 😄

[tribal badger]

i mean people going for kda in a shuffle bg...

not about the team with the most kills

[jolly sierra]

holy shit

gratz

[graceful ravine]

tyty

[lone anvil]

I get the sentiment but still. You can't act like it's not somewhat impressive

Even if it's not what you're supposed to care about. Its easy to 7-0 in unrated BGs. Sometimes. Other times it isn't. But rated lobbies with top tier players

[tribal badger]

i mean not really

if ur running wit hthe mob pumping always chasing other people

u shuldnt ever die

ur just gunna lose objectives

not super easy sure

[graceful ravine]

lmao bruh

hahaha

[tribal badger]

rogues world

[lone anvil]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt because it sounds like you're just being oppositional. Maybe you genuinely believe what you're saying.

From my personal perspective I know the right answer is always to care about the objective. But I'm still stoked when I get highest kills in the BG or high kills low death. Especially when it happens organically when I'm trying to play the objective.

And the guy has a 2300 rating, assaulted a base and didn't lose any rating from the loss. I wasn't there. I don't know if he was just zergging Xv1 and ignoring obj or not. I don't think he would have made it that far to 2300 if he only cared about kills

But who knows

[tribal badger]

i see the second highest damage in the bg with high kills and no deaths sure, that to me reads like "ran around with the primary group of the bg attacking bases and always overrunning them"

which is a fine strat

it clearly didnt work

but also not a hard strat to get high kills on

[graceful ravine]

wsg with 4 rogues is hilarious haha

their efc cant escape

[tribal badger]

and yes i would be excited to

[lone anvil]

A WW monks job is to be the distraction with a healer while his team splits and caps

[tribal badger]

its just, in bgs

individual player skill matters a bit less when 5 people might be jumping you at once

[lone anvil]

Fury warrior, ret pally, ww monk all have that roll. AoE cleave

[tribal badger]

doesnt really matter if ur 2700 or 1200 at that point

i guess maybe im just reading it that way because the team that lost got 3X the kills of the team that won

whenever i see that it reads like zerging to me

and the other team correrctly counterplaying against zerging

[lone anvil]

Rifht

But maybe it was his teammates faults for not splitting. You always want to 4v6 not 6v4 There's tons we don't know.

[tribal badger]

but when ur zerging its not really that impressive when a few of ur frontliners who always get to charge in with healers to back them up while outnumbering whoever is defending, ends up getting no deaths

im not blaming him

im just saying if it was a zerg strat, alot of kills and not many deaths isnt very surprising

ur basically always overruning bases u outnumber by a ton

nobody should be dying

but if it was just a normal game and he was just doing normal objective stuff that is an impressive scoreline yea

[lone anvil]

Same monk in this BG went 6-3 with top damage and every teammate he had was negative K/d in a loss

I think he's a good player

[tribal badger]

the scariest is when u join a bg and ur team has no hunters and the enemy team has 5 mm hunters

and u just know all ur healers r gunna dissapear

[lone anvil]

Hia team got stomped and he still performed well

[torpid swan]

did we land on which set pieces to take?

[tribal badger]

well his team didnt get stomped tho right?

or thats not how i read that scoreline

his team did the most damage by far and had 3X the kills of the team they lost to

they were not dying anywhere on the map

they just didnt do objectives

[lone anvil]

So his team was in the graveyard on timers for an extended period of time

Meaning or woulda been hard to zerg

And he still went 6-3 with 148mil damage

From a combat perspective this dude fucks

[tribal badger]

in the gy for extended periods of time? there was 11 deaths total the whole game for his team

thats slightly more then 1 death for the whole team

over the whole game

i dont think that would be the case

[lone anvil]

Are we talking about the same thing

I'm talking about the second screen cap

[tribal badger]

thought i clicked the right screenshot

[tribal badger]

im talking about the one with the monk

not the 5 rogue bg

[lone anvil]

He was in both games

Its the guy named facepalming

[tribal badger]

oh i didnt click the second pic yet

6/3 yea i mean hes frontlining hard for his team and blasting

[lone anvil]

Look at how much his team does

Died

So he was more than likely fighting outnumbered instead of zergging in this one

And still cleared

Still fucked

Still absolutely wrecked shit

Strictly from a combat perspective

[tribal badger]

6/3 yea he did good, looking at both pics it looks like hes just yoloing into frontline pressing all buttons and blasting

which is probably what monks job is in a bg anyway

its just more effective when ur teams zerging (like the first pic) because u wont ever die either

hes definitly pumping in both bgs if u look at overall damage

the 6/3 is more impressive then the 7/0 to me for sure

[lone anvil]

Yeah agreed lol

[odd yew]

Pain

[stoic spruce]

cheat death sucks balls

unironically

[graceful ravine]

feint gonna be so strong next patch

off gcd

macro it to your abilities lmao

[stoic spruce]

its so strong now

[stoic spruce]

rip energy tho lol

[graceful ravine]

theyre taking away shadow dance heal

so gotta make it up somehow

[stoic spruce]

I mean

eh

lol

you know what I mean?

[jolly sierra]

so, are u considering elusiveness now?

lol

[stoic spruce]

now?

buddy ive been pro elus since day 1

these cheat deathers straight cappers yo

[jolly sierra]

i used it until 2k1 in last season

damn it hurted to drop

but now seems powerful without gcd

[stoic spruce]

does it come with the .5 patch or is it in now?

[potent pivot]

.5

[stoic spruce]

lameeeee

non-crack shot gets hella stocks but unfort so does crackshot

you know what though?

it is what it is

[odd yew]

With the 2nd catalyst we should have shoulders pants and chest for tier right?

[graceful ravine]

pretty proud of this one lmao

6 bases assaulted 0 deaths

[lime oar]

Insane

What’s ur total games played so far ?

[lone anvil]

Unit

[severe hazel]

@graceful ravine any tips on how i can learn the strats for every map as a rogue getting into rbg?

when to go where etc

[lone anvil]

Yeah I kinda second this. Also any rotational things or tech for assassination. Like combos that work well either for killing people 1v1 or trying to cap bases on people defending

[severe hazel]

well i rather mean tactical stuff rather than rotaion etc

just when to play for objectives / inc bases / defend stuff like that

[lone anvil]

I mean both

@severe hazel I said "also" as in addition to what you're saying. I wasn't trying to imply you were looking for rotational stuff

[severe hazel]

all good 😄

just wasnt sure if my point was clear

[lime oar]

This shit is rough man

+12 battle for Gilneas. -13 temple

Just feels so pointless when u only have an hour or two to play at night

[lone anvil]

Yeah.....

[graceful ravine]

Practice the art of ninja nodes

bait defender near cap point -> kidney -> start capping- > blind trinket -> cap

Pay attention to your battleground enemies if they have trinket or not

[severe hazel]

ye today i learned that u can just cloak cap vs certrain classes

if they dont realize

[graceful ravine]

I recommend watching twitch

Seth is good

I watched his vids for a good 3 hours copying his strats

If you’re under 2k cr you should prob focus on your 1v1 skills

[lime oar]

Is Seth using haymaker a lot ?

Shits gotta be so funny off lumber

[lucid citrus]

it's situational with haymaker

[severe hazel]

ye i watch seeth / avidance whenever they stream

[deep flume]

rough

lost by cart diff

[safe pelican]

Went 3-3 today in shuffle smh 0 rating this fucking sub rogue man, how tf do i do 60M in dmg in the round and you do 9M 😐😐😐

[deep flume]

i think people are emerging into bgs tbh

and its just a process of them learning

i spent 10 mins getting yelled at for not spinning against two ferals today lol

like cmon bro lol

[safe pelican]

lol its always the rogues fault no matter the circumstances

[deep flume]

im basically in a furry vlog somewhere on PH

that was a ROUGH match

[nova viper]

Mid/bad rogue = less player on bg. Be honest

[deep flume]

meanwhile they cant hold WW or Mines

thats on me too tho I guess

fr tho two things, nerf disc and evokers

i was dumping into a disc for what felt like two whole rotations, not a damn thing

[safe pelican]

Ok maybe he did more than 9 but the principle remains the same lmao

[worthy crag]

that looks like an expected/ordinary amount of dmg from sub

[outer sky]

Have you played sub? Its overall damage is always low. Sometimes won't even beat a disc priest. Because it's never cleaving and only has damage during burst. It's how fast it does the damage it does combined with its CC that makes it good. If a sub rogue is ever close to the overall of an assa rogue then the assa rogue must be playing very poorly

[worthy crag]

it currently has the best 2-target cleave than it ever had as long as they are anal about upkeeping double rupture with finality

but not all rogues rly bother with doing that

[outer sky]

even still that rupture damage on off targets is kinda pad-ish

[worthy crag]

yeah, its just pad

[deep flume]

im preferring assa over sub

bleeds feel sick

[graceful ravine]

i think the new bg is my fav bg

its all team fighting

my dmg is disgusting

my dmg is 6x higher than the sub rogues haha

[lone anvil]

im doing arena skirmishes for the weekly quest, and I got queued into a match vs a ret pally and fury warrior and I never got a partner. Still clutched vs both

[safe pelican]

Yes brother I main sub lol, only screwing around on assa to get ready for November just incase the meta shifts. What you said is correct as far a play style but he could’ve done more dmg this round imo cause he had better rounds

Maybe I’m just mad I went 3-3 skill issue 😂

https://tenor.com/view/baby-angry-eating-mad-grumpy-gif-14328548

[tacit crane]

Which gladius addon are you guys using?

[indigo hill]

The one we have in the pins.

[orchid plinth]

I prefer sArena with the Xaryu layout

There is also GladiusEX

[graceful ravine]

think i gave up on deathstalker for blitz as assa

the stealth bug is a deal breaker for me

literally lost a game because i wasnt able to mount up in time to get to a node

cos couldnt leave combat

[orchid plinth]

Just don't spread Rupture

Nah but yeah that sucks

[nova viper]

I never win this bg

Ngl

xD

Its me on PVP

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-sisyphus-gif-4952086791107433131

[graceful ravine]

u just gotta pump the dps

sub rogues suck on that map tho

cant do much

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw in Eye Of The Storm is like brushing your teeth with a cheese grater

[indigo hill]

How so? Never had a problem as outlaw there.

[severe hazel]

@lone anvil are u playing on EU?

[worthy crag]

just occurred to me that gouge is melee range, can be parried/blocked/dodged and does not remove dots and breaks instantly

while most other incapacitates are ranged, can't be parried, and removes all existing dots

[indigo hill]

Thats why i rather run Airborne irritant.

And it has a ranged. I think rogue should get their range back.

[tepid scarab]

Can’t decide what embellishments to craft, looks like most have a mix of different ones

Versa above 80%hp or maybe the focusing lens

[severe hazel]

guys whats the talent called that refunds cp after we use a finisher on sub? for example if i sstrike from stealth -> finisher -> i get 2 cp refund

[loud ember]

total general opinion what do you guys think is the easiest bracket to get rating in?

SS has stagnated af with rating, like the highest rated player in the world is like 2150 rn

whaat are the other options?

[wintry dew]

Blitz

[azure rapids]

depends on what spec you play for blitz :))

[wintry dew]

You mean if my teammates have 2 braincells or not?

[azure rapids]

i mean some specs can carry better or have bigger impact

if you play enh in blitz you might have bad time

but mostly yeah the team

in 2s a good healer can carry or good dps

same can be said in 3s or maybe even shuffle

but in blitz when more than half the team runs randomyl 😄

not much you can do

[wintry dew]

So far in blitz you either get the winning team or the losing team

[azure rapids]

:)))

[wintry dew]

There's no real competition

[azure rapids]

is it not the same in any fights:D

[wintry dew]

Nop

[azure rapids]

you are either on the winning or losing team :))

[wintry dew]

What I mean is that my experience so far has been I either stomp or get stomped

[azure rapids]

some matches yes

[wintry dew]

There's no real close wins

[azure rapids]

but most at higher mmr both teams are good

[wintry dew]

I need to get there first

[azure rapids]

and both put up a good fight

[wintry dew]

I need to experience good pvp in blitz

[azure rapids]

i`m struggling as Outlaw alot in Blitz sometimes :))

[severe hazel]

blitz is just the new random bg

until a certain mmr

ppl just q that now

[azure rapids]

that`s a good thing

low que times 😄

and if you liked Bg`s ,blitz is a great addition

[wintry dew]

I'm a PvE Andy mostly, so I haven't really Q many blitz, but week 1 I did 170 shuffle rounds and it was impossible for me to go over 1790

And blitz either gives me 100+ points per win or 18

[azure rapids]

no ideea about shuffle that much, mostly did blitz

[severe hazel]

thats a very bad thing since ppl who want to srsly play the braket are hard stuck with the biggest demons @azure rapids

[azure rapids]

and probably dabble a bit in shuffle or some arena,but Blitz remains my most enjoyable 😄

[hard orbit]

Hey y'all. I'm new to pvp but I want to give it a go. Which rogue spec would you recommend? I'll primarily be doing battlegrounds to get the hang of it. I leveled as outlaw but that seems to be bad for pvp.

[azure rapids]

you mean bad that alot of people que blitz?

[azure rapids]

of all the specs Outlaw requires the most effort in Blitz

[wintry dew]

Bad that most of them afk and are literally brain dead most of the matches

[azure rapids]

and even than the other two specs are better

go Sub or Assa

[hard orbit]

is assassination or subtlety more newbie friendly, do you think?

[azure rapids]

Outlaw only if you really enjoy the spec

Assa is more friendly

[hard orbit]

well I like the guns but I can live without them

[azure rapids]

but Sub is better when in the right hands or once you get the hang of it

[azure rapids]

thats just part of my experience to be honest,havent seen that many afk,some teams seem really bad but overall its not bad at all

yesterday i got one win then 3 loses and lost 0Cr :)))

[wintry dew]

Maybe I just didn't Q enough

Too busy with pve

[azure rapids]

still managed to gain cr with first win and not lose anything in 3 consecutive loses :))

[wintry dew]

And I mainly pvp for the elite set and that's it

[loud ember]

can we agree these are useless if you only pvp?

im just checking if i've missed something

[wintry dew]

Actually...

Max ilvl = 636

Altought you're right, they new pvp currency beats it

[wanton breach]

not completely useless, just a very niche use in which you might want 636 crafted gear until you can get it as 639 pvp crafted gear - obviously this requires lots of pve'ing as well

[indigo hill]

I got a bunch of valor I don't know what to do with.

[candid tide]

theres a 900stamina feet enchant

but all top rogues going for plainsrunner still

[gusty hedge]

one like 25k -35k 😭

[candid tide]

ah ye that also idd xD

[azure rapids]

It`s friday!:D

a few more hours and work done ! 😄

[azure rapids]

the damn prices man :))

i just buy the lowest grade or silver

[wintry dew]

SAME BROTHER

[ocean thunder]

is there any assassination rogue streamer in this period? or did everyone go feral? hah
would like some footage to maybe help me a bit, shuffle is a struggle

[safe pelican]

That T3 Radiant Power price is a joke

[safe pelican]

Can watch Nahj when he’s streaming he’s running Assa rn

[tender ember]

cos recipe has very low drop rate, i was lucky to buy it for 5k from ah cos some1 made mistake xD profit per craft is around 23k

[gusty hedge]

just clocked out.

[wintry dew]

POG

[maiden cliff]

What is better for outlaw, crit/vers axe or mastery/vers fist?

[wintry dew]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[maiden cliff]

Ty sir!

[tribal badger]

@potent pivot I know stats r a bit of a meme but I would consider removing haste from outlaws priority or adding a note next to it to read, because haste is really bad after u stop getting the gcd benifit for outlaw

people might mistakenly take more then just 10% if they just follow the stat prio in that command

like in pve haste is legit almost worthless past the AR haste tax. Obviously pvp is not the same as pve but... i cant imagine it being any good

[tender ember]

take a closer look

[tribal badger]

yes i see that but i dont want people to get 10-15% haste and then start following the stat priority after that and keep getting haste (like theyve been doing in pve)

idk stat prios like that tend to confuse people when u only want x% of a certain stat

id write it like vers > haste (stops at 15%) > crit > mastery > haste (past 15%)

[spring bough]

Do yall ever play with different stat percentages and see what higher haste vs higher mastery is like

[lone anvil]

I'm US, why do you ask

[tender ember]

idk i totally understood pinned msg like u typed

[severe hazel]

@lone anvil ah ok. i thought i faced u in a blitz this night 😄

[lone anvil]

Oh dang haha

[wintry dew]

Tbf this is smart. @potent pivot

[tribal badger]

id personally put the number to aim for closer to 10% but its probably not a huge dif

[barren kernel]

is belt/bracers from wpvp, conq->tier shoulders, free token on chest, crafted dag, then conquest boots a meme

[warped gate]

Way smarter than whatever tf it is I did with my conquest.

[lusty heath]

Srsly how do you Guys Play with this stealth Thing. I shadowmeld and random get outta stealth and cant restealth or even get subterfuge

What is this ? The whole core element of rogue is stealth and you cant use it consistently - thats Like GIGA frustrating 🥲

[lone anvil]

There's a lot of abilities in the game that keep you out of stealth now

Or so it seems

[warped gate]

Nah, it's not really abilities, it's just a lot of overlapping bugs.

[wanton breach]

if you get hit by anything before you can restealth you will be incombat

[warped gate]

But thankfully it's not as bad as it was when TWW launched.

[lone anvil]

It seems when I have specific DoTs or debuffs on me I get pulled out of stealth every time the DoT ticks

[warped gate]

Aren't you supposed to be taken out of stealth when you're hit with damage?

I've rolled rogue for TWW so I'm assuming it was meant to be like that.

[lone anvil]

Yeah I haven't played in a long time

In didn't think that all DoTs broke stealth

[indigo hill]

Its a good question. Maybe they will use the "It's not a bug, it's a feature" excuse.

[lone anvil]

We all love fluffy little Kippy kats

That's what matters

[main vine]

Ay boys what are we buying as Assassination PVP conq

[candid tide]

look on drustvar

seems like the same as sub gear

vers/mastery mainly

[main vine]

ah okay thank you. The items seem a bit all over the place - saying the conq items are green etc

[candid tide]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/whaazz just copy this

[main vine]

Thank you

[lone anvil]

Is this your rogue

Dude you have immaculate win percentages on your battlegrounds lol. I think you're 10/10 on warsong gulch

[orchid plinth]

That is Whaazz. He has won BlizzCon AWC whatever several times.

[lone anvil]

So whaazz isn't the name of Ojisanx's rogue lol

[candid tide]

[dapper chasm]

Arcane Torrent shouldn't be on the global cooldown - I said it

[dull bridge]

bro

[tribal badger]

basically all dots break stealth except a few very rare unavoidable self dots (mostly pve related) that blizzard changes to not

but u should always assume any damage taken will break stealth, thats generally the case

periodic or otherwise

[supple pulsar]

I wish stealth shield conduit was back

[tepid scarab]

I wonder if the 10% move speed gem works in pvp

Would require 6 sockets though for 10%

[dull bridge]

stealth shield and vanish cdr are why we are here in the first place

30 second kidney shot

[grave basin]

gouge nerfed

kidney nerfed

blind nerfed

[runic trench]

where is this?

[grave basin]

it's cumulative from last expac and now

[fervent shell]

just what I wanted, to be another faceroll damage bot

hooray

[graceful ravine]

is it me or did other classes cc gets buffed

none of their cc break on damage anymore

• root buffs

[spring bough]

Yes. Fear. Roots. Unreal nothing breaks it

Fear is literally a stun now it’s ridic

[graceful ravine]

but our cc gets nerfed smh

gouge and blind breaks with 1 hit

of anything

[spring bough]

Yeah no more maneuverability to break roots. We need that back

[steep kiln]

Mark breaks both of those too

[spring bough]

Should just be built into sprint. Root break. No pvp talent needed

The amount of fears I sit in if I’m going against a lock/war or lock/priest is so dumb lol

[surreal barn]

That fear buff sucked

I think it was buffed s2 of DF

[dapper chasm]

Yes, we need more mobility

Sometimes the enemy gets to breathe and shit

[indigo hill]

Can bring back forever sprint and water walking.

[craggy silo]

I dreamt about bad lobby's all night, I got a lobby that gave me -200 rating. Blizzard is breaking me

[orchid plinth]

AWC EU Cup 1 starts in 10 minutes: https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft

[spring bough]

I stand by my right to freedom of movement 😂

[orchid plinth]

I don't think rogue needs more mobility I think mage's needs less mobility and slows/roots - fuck powercreep

[dapper chasm]

The 1v1 vs frost mages used to be the trial by fire that sub rogues would use to forge themselves into true warriors

I used other classes and specs in my descriptive language to confuse you WoW nerds

[tribal badger]

the problem with frost isnt even sticking on it anymore tbh

ur gunna get kited and they r gunna kite

the problem is they can do so much damage without ever casting a spell

that it doesnt matter that they are kiting

they r still doing 500k dps

[indigo hill]

Did they nerf the energy regen on outlaw this reset?

[tribal badger]

no

prob just got some bad rng game

[graceful ravine]

i had to 1v1 a r1 frost mage @ farm (me defending), impossible match up, i just hid behind the house + throw knife to interrupt his cap

until back up comes

[dapper chasm]

How would your ancestors feel if they read that there?

[graceful ravine]

proud of me successfully defending bases and winning the game 👍

[vocal surge]

Frost Mage be hard to kill

[tribal badger]

outlaw can 1 v 1 frost with los involved but yea its a bit rough rn

they do so much damage without casting

i feel like their random nonsense roots got buffed this expac im not sure but the amount of times ive gotten proc rooted in a blizzard, then rooted immediatly after, then rooted again to full DR by 1 blizzard while the mage is 60 yards away not even targeting me

[orchid plinth]

https://awc.gcd.tv/ first AWC Rogue setup: 2set Shoulders Chest - everything else crafted Vers/Master 2x Woven Duskthread

[tawdry imp]

where's the guys the other day claiming frost mage is an easy match up

[graceful ravine]

LOL holy shit

we were down 800-1491

took both bases and held them there

look at their kills vs ours

[candid tide]

what happens when we cloak vs a ww?

cloak his karma or serenity?

[graceful ravine]

karma

[candid tide]

kk

ty

[outer sky]

WW doesn't have serenity anymore

And for Karma you have to cloak after he uses it. You can't try and finesse him by bombing/dueling him and then pre-cloaking his karma

[candid tide]

sec solo

[gaunt egret]

What's the best rouge spec for PVP right now? Sub or assa?

[graceful ravine]

if you had to ask, you should play assa

[vocal surge]

Assa

[graceful ravine]

sub has a steep learning curve and not for new players

[gaunt egret]

Appreciate it 😂

[peak jolt]

did they remove the wep quest?

[orchid plinth]

Yes its an achievement now

[peak jolt]

oh. how do I get it then?

[orchid plinth]

Get 2.5k conq and you get mailed a token

[peak jolt]

ahh, nice

[orchid plinth]

Whaazz plays with Shoulders Legs with some high vers pieces and PvE items:

[potent pivot]

A lot of people will be changing their set up as the weeks go on

[orchid plinth]

Yes just interesting to see

Also they can change gear depending on comp and what they face so some things really don't apply to live

[stoic spruce]

I get blizz wanted trickster to not be so passive and such

But like

They could've done something with sprint

[sturdy zealot]

how often can do we slice n dice as sin in a bg setting?

[candid tide]

what does cloaking do to his karma?

[halcyon timber]

With veil, completely removes it

[candid tide]

but when u face a ww+mage

isnt that bit risky

[halcyon timber]

Situational

[candid tide]

ye true

[outer sky]

With the veil pvp talent it totally removes it. Without that talent it just removes the damage done to you but keeps the absorption in tact for them

[outer sky]

Yes but it's an option you have available in case you decide to use it. Versus that comp I probably wouldn't cloak karma unless I thought doing so wins the game right there.

[last jasper]

Fckin echo is gonna make us nerfed 😂

[candid tide]

a sec solo

[candid tide]

oh so how karma works is that it also put a debuff on u?

and with veil it removes it completely

[tribal badger]

physical debuff on u

[candid tide]

ye ye

[tribal badger]

that makes any damage dealt to the shield redirect to you in form of a magic dot

[candid tide]

cause i saw it poppin on the ww nameplate

[tribal badger]

so bop and veil cloak will remove karma in its entirety and remove the absorb from the monk

[candid tide]

so i thought its a buff only for him

on big debuffs

[tawdry imp]

today I learned

[tribal badger]

regular cloak will just immune the dot but not remove the shield

[candid tide]

insane

good to know thanks

[tawdry imp]

why does it remove it from the monk? are there any other examples of veil removing a buff from a target?

[tribal badger]

no because theres nothing that works like karma

its not a cloak thing

[tawdry imp]

fair

[tribal badger]

its that the absorb is tied to the monk having a physical debuff on a target

so anything that removes that removes it

[tawdry imp]

ah okay, that makes sense

[outer sky]

Yeah they have to "karma you". It has a 20 yard range. On my WW I'm well known for dying against casters without using Karma because I get trolled by the short range of it

[candid tide]

haha ye ig

[surreal barn]

Forreal?

So I could theoretically step away

A second before my stun ends

[outer sky]

Yes if nobody else is in range they won't be able to karma

It has 20 yards

[dull bridge]

you can also cloak it off if you have the cloak pvp talent. you can also gfade it. if they karma into something like fade you don't get the shield.

also what the fuck am i watching on awc? isn't drive overload absolutely griefing their ele by stacking and running around the pillar the whole game?

[tribal badger]

all i know is im falling asleep at bm meta

literally any hunter spec but bm man

watch 2 hunters rp strafe around the arena as they cheer for their pets and grind the healers mana pools down over 6m

[dull bridge]

just degen gameplay

bm should just be kneecapped in pvp at all times for the sanity of the whole playerbase

[tribal badger]

i love how these death recaps dont even show like half the damage happening to the player in this window

because its just 50 autos from pets and the hunter

xd

like the last death recap had the hunter doing like 4m damage over the "Death" log, and in the actual abilities section it was only like 2.3m damage

[dull bridge]

he just bored him to death

[safe pelican]

Rolling blitz for the first time this weekend since inflation still hasn’t been added into arena

What’s better in blitz should I roll sub or assa ?

[candid tide]

awc is on dang forgot

[celest burrow]

@safe pelican Probably what you feel better on the role will be similar.

[lone anvil]

I see you're fate bound and I was wondering what made you decide to go fatebound?

For blitz 4 of the top 15 rogues are fatebound 11 are death stalker. For 3v3 14 of the top 15 are deathstalker and only 1 is fatebound.

I haven't tested fatebound. Just wanted to pick your mind

[slender bay]

Guys, we can only use 1 bloodstone gem right?

[waxen meteor]

Guys the necklace socket is also from pvp vendor now right?

[safe pelican]

Sub main and i hear about sub capping bases solo so they are op but assa doing great dmg overall. Gunna roll assa first then sub feel like sub would have more game changing potential

[sick wasp]

AWC on going btw

perfect night for pizza

watching ferals getting blown up

noo they just ended im sad

[safe pelican]

lol hope you didn’t order that pizza bruv 😂

[sick wasp]

no its in the oven

[safe pelican]

Then again… pizza is always a great choice

[sick wasp]

yup

ive saved many in the freezer for awc

every time

was late tonight with RL stuff

[graceful ravine]

stealth bug is a deal breaker for me

being stuck in combat

unable to restealth, or more importantly, unable to mount up to get to the next objective

[candid tide]

Fix pls

[lone anvil]

Can I ask a question for da homies

I just came back, but Solo shuffle and BGs blitZ didn't exist when I played previously. They're both new for me

What's like an above average rating too have for each, what's average and what's below average

Is there like data on this somewhere. Like a bell curve I could look at or something lol

[tribal badger]

1800 this early in the expac for solo shuffle is above average

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[tribal badger]

later in seasons as we get inflation its more 1900+ area

no idea fo bg blitz ive never interacted with it much

appears to be much faster way to gain rating currenlty (not to say easier)

[lone anvil]

Yeah definitely

[tribal badger]

as soon as i broke 1600 i started getting like 30-40 points a win in shuffle, even if went 5/1

[lone anvil]

Blitz is similar

I won 3 games this morning and went up 50 rating

[waxen meteor]

for solo it's just related to your mmr

if your mmr is 2000, you still get alot of cr

[tribal badger]

well i assume our mmrs were wiped clean as soon as we entered a new expac

cause i was like 2600 last season

idk i was getting 80-100+ points a sweep prior to 1600

[lone anvil]

I'm pretty sure they were

From what I've heard

[tribal badger]

then as soon as i hit 1600 it was like i hit a wall

the same wins were barely moving my rating

need to go 6/0 to get 50+ points

[waxen meteor]

yeah mmr was quite clean