pvp

[dapper chasm]

I don't fuck with dragons

[jolly sierra]

F

stay in 2 then

[lime venture]

dont you have to wait another week for catalyst anyway

[dapper chasm]

Guess so actually

I'll get the helm and finish getting the warmonger gear

[jolly sierra]

ill get the bracers with decent pve ilvl tho

for later

i just like big chunks of mastery

[dapper chasm]

Why not get helm?

[potent pivot]

I think you can make pvp ilvl engi gear now

[jolly sierra]

cuz im an alchemist

not an engineer

[dapper chasm]

Any use for these?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[dapper chasm]

Can they be upgraded a tier?

[jolly sierra]

for AH

no, crafteds cant be catalyzed

[potent pivot]

You can craft gear with them and upgrade it with blue heraldries later, but that’s a waste

Better to just buy blue heraldries and get it crafted from that

[lime venture]

Im thining alts? craft gear for them. But they are also on AH for 1G

[potent pivot]

Yeh they’re kinda worthless

[dapper chasm]

You can buy blue heraldry?

[potent pivot]

They were expensive during early access

[potent pivot]

Honor vendor ya

[dapper chasm]

Oh, that, I'm farming sockets atm

[potent pivot]

I crafted bracers/rings first

With blues

Then finished sockets

But I needed the bracers to embellish anyway

[dapper chasm]

The blues are just the same as honor hear

For the braces and helm anyway

[potent pivot]

Different stat weights

[jolly sierra]

and another vers/mast ring

[surreal barn]

I held 800k dps for two minutes

On MM

[jolly sierra]

instead just 1

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[surreal barn]

Yeah

Absolutely a monster

[jolly sierra]

when a rog main plays a hunter just exploits the entire hunter instead just a quarter

[surreal barn]

lol

[jolly sierra]

from regular hunter mains lol

[surreal barn]

Yeah I saw others with two pc here 4 pc there

[lime venture]

Ive wanted to... I just couldnt look myself in the mirror if I played hunter

[surreal barn]

I geared to make my rapid fire deal as much as humanly possible

Zero tier

[dapper chasm]

Gear seems to mean very little in PvP now a days

I've been nearly full greens this whole time without much issue

[surreal barn]

Yeah it doesn’t mean much if you’re dying the entire time

Might die 5 seconds slower

[jolly sierra]

in end season ive seen ppl in greens climbing to 1k8 without bigger issues

[dapper chasm]

I meant a man's rating

But yeah, 1.8k seems to just need greens

[jolly sierra]

try going at 2k rating with full pve gear

u will be bullied hard

[dapper chasm]

Well, the kids are using 4pc now so

Pretty much gonna be there

Is the 15% reduction still the best safety component?

[potent pivot]

It’s 5% if you mean the gem

And yeah

[dapper chasm]

I don't, I meant the engi slot

[jolly sierra]

does that even works in rated?

[dapper chasm]

Bro, there is life outside rated

And I intend to snuff it out

[jolly sierra]

booooooooooring

its funnier to just assault a pve andy warrior in wm on, dot him out, vanish and wait

no needs for eng

[dapper chasm]

You could never understand

[jolly sierra]

ye, im assa

so i find funnier that

[candid tide]

awc in 90 mins

[potent pivot]

not a lot of ppl watch qualifiers

the good stuff is at the end unfortunately

[dapper chasm]

I skip that too

Too busy out there, living life, doing that shit myself

[candid tide]

lol

[candid tide]

need to l2p

[dull bridge]

ROGUE

Feint no longer triggers a global cooldown when activated.

from PTR ptach notes

[jolly sierra]

OOF

time to evasion feint

crazy change

[candid tide]

very nice

[pliant mauve]

Whats up with this Authority of the Depths enchant? Anyone try it?

[potent pivot]

it's ok for outlaw, other than that radiant power is better

[surreal barn]

You checked it against stonebound artistry for sub?

I know agi is usually top dog but I haven’t actually checked 😆

[potent pivot]

yeh

[plucky crown]

where can i find a guide for assass rogue pvp

[surreal barn]

“Master Marksman now benefits from Unnatural Causes”

MM DoT spec inc

[dense spruce]

are people going to go for 4 set or just keep on 4 set?

people have bought forged none conquest gloves why?

[ocean thunder]

as assassin i would guess we get like gladiator's chest, algari helm and glad gloves (warmonger for now until week 5)?

is that right?

[potent pivot]

wpvp gear is just to supplement gearing

all of it will be replaced eventually

[potent pivot]

don't think we'd do algari helm no

[ocean thunder]

yeah eventually it will be 2set (or 4set)and all algari

? why?

[potent pivot]

it's either engi goggles or tier helm

[graceful ravine]

o fuck

[dull bridge]

gonna macro that into evis

[graceful ravine]

got a link to the new notes?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-dracthyr-nerf-for-non-evokers-346891

nvm its here

[jolly sierra]

rip rbg trolling

[mellow egret]

my damage is strugglinggg as outlaw

[hexed blaze]

What happened to the conquest pvp quest?

for weps

[potent pivot]

it's not a quest now

[mellow egret]

once u finish it u should get 2 tokens in the mail

[potent pivot]

it's an achievement

[hexed blaze]

ah okay so its tracable in achieves nd we just get tokens for weps?

[potent pivot]

ye

[ocean thunder]

why tier helm? it has no amazing stats, chest has versa

[potent pivot]

it's either tier helm or tier gloves

[ocean thunder]

gloves kinda suck

[potent pivot]

engi goggles seem kinda good tho

[lime oar]

feint off gcd

[inner ivy]

anyone confirm that I can recraft an Algari Competitor's Signet by using 1 Gladiator's Heraldry?

[proud spire]

This should be pinned or some shit ~ this is huge

[potent pivot]

recrafts don't cost heraldries unless upgrading them from blue to purple

[inner ivy]

yes this is upgrade from blue to purple

looks like it only costs 1 heraldry

trying to confirm

[potent pivot]

then it costs multiple

[inner ivy]

ok thanks

[minor zenith]

what embelishements and enchant u using in outlaw guys?

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot what's the pvp modifier for tier set again?

I remember sub is none you said?

[potent pivot]

subs doesn't have any ya

[potent pivot]

duskthread x2 and Depths x2

[waxen meteor]

sin is 50%?

[potent pivot]

ye

[waxen meteor]

so 5% bleed bonus basically

[potent pivot]

basically

[surreal barn]

so nasty

i hit a 1,941,000 aimed shot

like what

[jolly sierra]

aimed shot goes brrr

[lone anvil]

I'm finally starting to PUMP on rogue and it feels SO much better.

I got like 5 upgrades since last night. 1 piece of tier with my Spelunker token from rated BGs. Upgraded another piece to tier with the catalyst. Got the two daggers and enchanted them. And then I crafted an algari necklace and ring.

I'm up tp iLvl 635 for PvP. And have enchants on all my BiS pieces now.

First of all the proc from those weapon enchants is 5% of my overall damage (highest crit I've seen is 1mil) and that's not even taking into account the damage increase from the agility.

I was in a warsong gulch with HORRIBLE teammates. I killed EFC which was a hunter, 1v3 and got away before his teammates could kill me. Finished the BG with second highest damage overall and most kills on my team

[lone anvil]

I just came back to this game a few weeks ago. Was doing low level bgs when I was levling up. I did a BG at level 49 and some hunter hit me for a 14k aimed shot and I had 8k health. Literally twice my health bar and I had good gear for my level

[waxen meteor]

does the socket disappear after you swap to tier?

[potent pivot]

the socket stays but the gem disappears

[surreal barn]

lol i can only imagine how crazy low lvl bgs are

[vague comet]

where's link for awc?

i can't even find it lol

[potent pivot]

i don't think there's any official broadcasts until the 27th, for tonight's stuff you have to watch a participating streamer

[vague comet]

lol

thanks for telling me, i thought im being dumb

[tawdry imp]

love how even at the very top the comms are WALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALL

KIDNEYKIDNEYKIDNEYKIDNEY

[vague comet]

did hunter

not turtle

[hexed blaze]

assa rogue we just get both our weps with the tokens yea?

crit vers only option?

[potent pivot]

yeah

can craft mast daggers later on after fully geared

[hexed blaze]

ok i never crafted dagger like a lot of rogues so ill take the upgrade

S1 fit

whats bis for dagger enchants is it radiant power or that one pika is wearing

[topaz bobcat]

do i need to do this to go above 1800?

[potent pivot]

radiant power ye

[hexed blaze]

yall boys rich or somethin

45k for the chant jheez

im broke as ell

[potent pivot]

Never buy stuff on reset day

They have been as cheap as 20k

[potent pivot]

You can get 1800 with white daggers

[topaz bobcat]

maybe if my name was nahj

[hexed blaze]

ok will keep an eye

[potent pivot]

Just buy a cheaper rank if they’re cheap

Or even buy a cheaper enchant for your free daggers

[waxen meteor]

how much mastery is like 5% bleed dmg

[potent pivot]

The Artistry one for mastery isn’t terrible

[hexed blaze]

prob just gonna get rank2 theyre 11k

[potent pivot]

5%

[topaz bobcat]

i knew i should have emptied teh AH

then sold higher today

[potent pivot]

That’s what a lot of people do already

That’s why a lot of prices jump before resets

Especially weapon enchants the day everyone gets free weapons lol

[hexed blaze]

could just farm honor shards for sockets too and sell them theyre ike 8k for me

but kind of need them

[runic trench]

i have discovered

playing music thats relaxing makes me a better player

somehow im just calmer in arena

[hexed blaze]

im the same way with work i play classical or something chill while trading

[runic trench]

im mashing way less

and im just taking my time

[crimson torrent]

yo

what should i priotize in the conquest gear?

[potent pivot]

Did you already do all your week 1 stuff

You should be able to buy conquest chest this week

[runic trench]

i bought a heraldry to craft helm week 1 xd

im at 700 conquest

[potent pivot]

oof

[waxen meteor]

in theory we can buy conquest head this week and conquest chest next week right?

but unable to get alst piece of tier until the week after

[potent pivot]

the conquest cap only goes up 600 per week

[waxen meteor]

yeah, i got like 1200 ish before spending this week

so 1800 for two main pieces are enough

(next week)

[halcyon hedge]

for assass what weapon enchant are we running

[potent pivot]

radiant power

[celest burrow]

does making feint off the GCD mean anything? (Sorry pretty new to rogue this expansion.)

[potent pivot]

it means Feint won't be a GCD anymore

it'll be instant like Cloak

[celest burrow]

I got it, but was just wondering how that could be benefical I assume we still dont' want to macro it

[potent pivot]

well you won't have to wait for a GCD to be over to press it

you wouldn't macro it though no

[worthy crag]

affliction needs more nerfs

[inner ivy]

is there a class by class guide, rogue vs <class> that walks through their abilities, defensives, etc.

[potent pivot]

not really no

[inner ivy]

that would be p sweet

[potent pivot]

would require a lot of work and would get outdated at least every season

[inner ivy]

I've only ever played rogue and I am at a loss as to what most classes can do these days, except it appears many are unkillable, take nearly zero damage after two full rounds of CDs, have unlimited selfhealing, etc.

so trying to figure out some strategy class by class here

[crimson torrent]

why chest , u need haste in pvp?

shouldnt i prio something else

so conq gear is better than the gear u craft ?

[potent pivot]

no no and no

pieces like helm/chest/legs have the most agi (the most expensive items)

you need conq chest because we will catalyst it later into tier set piece

[crimson torrent]

i have prio on pve

would that still apply to me ?

[potent pivot]

idk

you still want the big agi pieces

[crimson torrent]

facts

[potent pivot]

you're just going to be behind on tier set

if you're using catalyst on pve stuff

that's not really the end of the world though

having some haste/crit isn't the end of the world either tbh

[crimson torrent]

how strong is the tier set for pvp

[potent pivot]

it's not huge

1-2% gain

[crimson torrent]

so we going vers mastery or haste ves

for chest

as assa

[potent pivot]

mastery

[crimson torrent]

ok ty

[potent pivot]

just wouldn't craft it

so you can turn it into tier once you can later on

[crimson torrent]

what would u suggest craffting @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

stuff like boots/bracers/rings

those will be bis crafted for sure

[crimson torrent]

ok ty!

all for mastery / vers ?

[potent pivot]

ya

[crimson torrent]

there is a ring with vers mast on conq

[potent pivot]

crafted is better

has equal vers/mast weighting

so more mast than conq

and we can use 2 because they aren't unique equip

[crimson torrent]

ah ok nice

so im using the forged gladiator for it

not combatant

just double checking before i craft em

[potent pivot]

the purple heraldries

but i'd make sure u have boots/bracers first

then ring

[crimson torrent]

ok ty

which emblishment

should u go for ?

boots and the wrist

[pearl patrol]

Hello! Any experienced sub rogues have any tips? I do good damage in 2’s i feel like but i do awful dps in 3s, hoping i can talk to someone with experience

[potent pivot]

2x duskthread

[potent pivot]

sub takes a lot of practice, if you have any questions feel free to ask

overall damage isn't what's most important for sub most of the time

[crimson torrent]

whats this ?

[pearl patrol]

I guess my main issue is sticking to someone with lots of mobility sometimes it feel impossible to move and keep up with someone any tips for that? Also another question should you have rupture up on all targets? Or just the dps?

[rotund pumice]

"Can be exchanged for gladiator weapons"

[pearl patrol]

@potent pivot

Sorry forgot to reply to ur msg

[worthy crag]

youll learn to not care about your dmg on the meter as sub

and ignore/report brain fried dh/dk mains that tell you you are doing 1/3 of their dmg

[crimson torrent]

does ur ilvl matter in world pvp

upgrading my gear for world pvp works ? or im getting the ilvl in arena

[somber plank]

you get the arena ilvl

[runic trench]

World pvp scales you

[crimson torrent]

so legit no point

on upgrade pvp gear

or to craft a higher ilvl (for pvp)

[runic trench]

For world quests

And delves

[potent pivot]

You use it to buy weapons from conq vendor lol

[runic trench]

And ocd

[crimson torrent]

ye but i got pve gear for that shi

[runic trench]

Ooh laa laa look at this guy

Doing pve and stuff

[crimson torrent]

yo @potent pivot i got the boots but for the wrist not sure which one

[runic trench]

But yeah I public order all my pvp gear

Usually comes back rank 4-5 anywah

Because the crafting requirement is low

[crimson torrent]

is it this one

[potent pivot]

No

Those are engi bracers

[runic trench]

You're missing the stat

[crimson torrent]

can i have the name of the wrist u recommended

[potent pivot]

Just do the regular Algari bracers

[runic trench]

Arnt eng bracers bis for mastery if you have 2 other items with embellishments

[potent pivot]

With vers/mast missive

[potent pivot]

I’d only use them for sub maybe

[runic trench]

Oh yeah true sin

[crimson torrent]

ohh ok found it

[runic trench]

I don't wanna restrict myself

[crimson torrent]

how much commission u put for ur public orders ? @runic trench

[potent pivot]

1-2k usually works

[graceful ravine]

all this work and still lose cos we got double disc as healers

tragic

[runic trench]

yeah 1k

[lucid citrus]

Damn I messed up and got Wpvp gloves and forgot to refund since I didnt need it lol

oh well

[potent pivot]

not much else we really need from wpvp really

it'll all get replaced anyway

[lucid citrus]

truee very trueee

so every week we get about 600 conw and 425 bloody tokens, correct?

[runic trench]

this is what i ended up with

no more use for wpvp

sucks it has no jewlery

[potent pivot]

Pretty much

[lucid citrus]

when does cap go away

[potent pivot]

go away?

long time

[lucid citrus]

nauuurrrr lol

[crimson torrent]

which enchants should i use on gear?

[crimson torrent]

ty !

[runic trench]

the hardest part of being a new pvper

is the realisation you cant outdamage a free casting healer

and remembering to setup cc before you go ham

(i never do)

[crimson torrent]

so u can craft something aspirant then upgrade it to gladiator later ?

[mellow egret]

yes

[lime oar]

Sub ain’t easy that’s for sure

Esp in shuffle

[stoic spruce]

bored

[fallen scaffold]

uprade by recrafting? or by the upgrade npc with crest?

[delicate flare]

How hard is it to farm honor? Im total noob

[fallen scaffold]

its not

and u can xfer between chars

[narrow tangle]

not hard

[orchid plinth]

It's as easy as breathing it just takes some time.

[candid tide]

Yoo new patch notes says shadow step getting removed for sub

Or are my ears damaged ?

[orchid plinth]

Did you read all of it? Maybe they just moved it? So it's technically removed but added in some other tree etc.

[candid tide]

Yeah gonna have to double check again

It was on venruki latest vid

[wintry dew]

It's only removed for outlaw

[fallen scaffold]

so basically assa is just grabbing the conq crit dagger this week for OH until we can replace with crafted vers/mas one later on in season right

and to have for sub

think i use the bloody token haste/vers dagger as OH or a crafted vers/mas honor crafted dagger? ilvl>stats right

[orchid plinth]

Yes but you are also "wasting" Conq by not using the free daggers you got. If you crafted Mastery one, use it. If you didn't I would just use the Crit daggers and craft/buy another another armor piece.

[fallen scaffold]

my crafted one is an honor one

not conq

but ye ima just buy another dagger and 2x crit fuck it

lemme guess..

another 60k in wpn enchants i gotta spend now lmao

[orchid plinth]

... 3 daggers?

[fallen scaffold]

ye

for when i play sub

need to have a dedicated crit one

il upgrade my honor crafted vers mas one to conq eventually

[orchid plinth]

Yeah I mean we will end up with 2x Conq Mastery/Vers ones for Sub. But right now, if you have two Conq daggers you got for free you should prioritizing using them. ilvl is the most important thing.

[fallen scaffold]

word

[orchid plinth]

I skimped out on r3 enchants and went with 2x r2 instead. It costed 20k instead of 90k 😬

[fallen scaffold]

thats all ive been using is r2 for weps ye

[outer sky]

@potent pivot you around?

[candid tide]

i got a epic crafted and a blue

should i use a epic conq instead?

ye think def

cause the blue craftrd has crit verse anyways

[fallen scaffold]

ya

were rogues

we need that good good wpn dam, higher ilvl >

i just really wanna know if 2x duskthread is the play... or if i shoulda just crafted the wep embelish

guess well seee soon

feel like that 1600 vers is super handy as long as your feinting on cd at the correct times and using vial

[candid tide]

havent seen any top rog putting embelish on weaps yet

[fallen scaffold]

fuckin a man i need golddd

already gone thru 2 tokens

finna swipe for my 3rd... rofl

is alchemy still decent gold throughout the whole xpac? never really tried it

[candid tide]

think it is

since pvers need to restock on the items from alch

[outer sky]

My highest damage is with the conq dagger in the main hand and the wpvp dagger in the offhand

even the 626 crafted dagger in the off hand is more damage for me than 2 conq daggers at 639

[proven mica]

just started playing sub tonight, felt really fun

my first thought was, this is gonna suck without shadowdust

[mild viper]

did they change the sparks of war quest so that you cant get sparks anymore from digging dirt?

[wintry dew]

Are you warmode on ?

[outer sky]

Yo I got a bloodstone from one of the chests you get sometimes after winning a game

[formal crystal]

gz

i didntr even know u could haha

when / were could we see pro pvp? if someone said that

[orchid plinth]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24133891/arena-world-championship-tww-viewers-guide

[candid tide]

weird, cause on their twitch channel there isnt any vod from yesterday awc

cant find any

last vid was from 1 month ago

[proud spire]

I knew it was too good to be true

Kneecapped my main for tier ~ Gotta make another i guess lol

[outer sky]

welp

thats a RIP

all of our tier sets are kinda shit now lol

[formal crystal]

Ok but shuffle is C?

win 4 lose 2 +13

win 2 lose 4 -30

[orchid plinth]

Open bracket isn't streamed. Stream starts tomorrow:

[candid tide]

nice

[lone anvil]

That's actually awesome. I was starting to wonder if it dropped anything decent lol. I don't know what I'm supposed to use those green heraldries for but I have infinite sitting around collecting dust hahaha

[formal crystal]

LETS GOOOOO I GOT THAT 1.6K :DDDD

[tawdry imp]

don't worry you can have an extra symbols of death to make up for it 🫠

don't spend that 10% damage boost all at once

[lone anvil]

Why would you want to get sparks from digging dirt lol

[candid tide]

gz

[azure rapids]

this trailer is really well done

https://youtu.be/a0fF9nPprPg?si=k1U0ENuGLnaj1e-k

the world pvp parts are accurate :)))

[fiery turret]

asked the same question in assas-channel, but unsure if they talk about minmax in regard to damageoutput.

• but, can I apply deathmark(herotalent) from ambush, even if I dont open with ambush - but within subterfuge-window? Reason im asking is, that I sometimes find myself fucked within first GCD with fear, stun, something - and kinda want to open something like this

1. garrote
2. rupture
3. cheap
4. ambush
5. garrote/cheap offtarget
6. whatever

[vague comet]

how do i get rid of this

so tired

tried everything

[vocal terrace]

bagnon was doing it for me. i just dont use it anymore

[azure rapids]

try curse,update,and disable lua

maybe it helps

[orchid plinth]

Install BugGrabber and BugSack, it puts the error in a little icon instead

[wintry dew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/zeoiIPI4Z0

[indigo hill]

Standard warrior mentality

[sharp comet]

lordy. any of you guys tried this gem yet?

it is

brokkeeeen

stacks to 20, has a 60 sec drop off. v nice to land a 500k auto

[outer sky]

500k every minute doesnt seem worth not having the damage reduction gem

[sharp comet]

can have many various gems tho, right

and you only need one of these

and it stacks every second

so every 20 seconds since 90% of pvp you are slowed or snared

[lavish gorge]

Friends. Am I cooked forcing outlaw for pvp? I simply have no interest in mut or sub 😪

[sharp comet]

and pvp gems are unique equip, so you cant have more than one damage reduction gem, so I am confused by your comment.

[wintry dew]

No one is forcing you to play assa or sub

Just go with your guts

Be the best fucking pirate there is

[lavish gorge]

My guts are presently being rearranged by everyone 😭

[sharp comet]

outlaw is v in your face, has some absolute appeal my brother

[wintry dew]

Maybe that's a skill issue

Not throwing shade

[lavish gorge]

Id agree. I simply am not sure what im doing wrong.

[sharp comet]

but boy oh boy i fuckin love sub, i run in, shadowy duel em to death and gtfo looking for my next target.

[wintry dew]

I'm not a outlaw player myself and I'm also shit at pvp, but I'm sure @spring bough can help you out

Guy is cracked

Absolute legend

[lavish gorge]

I actually would love advice. Im not seeing any up to date guides etc for season 1 pvp outlaw theory crafting. With how little representation the spec and class at large have I suppose that's understandable ig

Either way thanks for the kind words fellow rogue pals d:

[wintry dew]

Unfortunately Pvp is a niche game type...

[lavish gorge]

Ah yes that too.

[sweet swallow]

anyone have a solid gladius profile I could copy?

[wintry dew]

There's recommendations in the pins

[sweet swallow]

tyty

[candid tide]

think u can open cheap and still manage to put 3 gars on targets if they grouped up

both subterfuge and improved garrote last 6 sec

can also gar 3 targets and then kidney the killing target

all about execution, and often they wont go on you as rogue at the start

[surreal barn]

I always go rogue knowing how squishy we are now lol

[indigo hill]

No one gonna talk about what this sounds like?

😂

[lavish gorge]

Oh you think its a joke?

🥺

[indigo hill]

Nah. That's just something women say after sexy time. 😁

[lavish gorge]

Yes that was the joke

Lmaooo

[indigo hill]

Just checking. Since no one responded to it. 😂

But if you wanna play outlaw keep playing it. I think it's the most fun spec atm. Allot of fun.

[spring bough]

Just gotta become a brawler and smash buttons. Outlaws fun

[indigo hill]

Also their legion artifact weapons are the sexiest in the game.

[lavish gorge]

Oh I know. Knock off thunderfury is fire

@spring bough how does one brawl in the right way? Who should I avoid like the plague

[lost quest]

On a scale 1-10 how much do you think it´s underperforming right now? And what do you consider biggest flaws?

[lavish gorge]

Stealth bugs, between the eyes bug, just to name two from me

October can't come fast enough

[indigo hill]

Outlaw is in a good spot. Much better then some other seasons. Damage wise feels good.

[lavish gorge]

I just wish we had some magic damage. Or an ignore armor

[spring bough]

I usually just stand and hit feint and evasion and crimson when I can and just bang with whoever. Only run los if my teammate and healer are too

You can definitely pump ST and aoe with it. Just sucks when you get CCd in crack windows that really hurts the DPS

[indigo hill]

2 set does shadow damage.

[spring bough]

MM hunters usually fk me up unless I’m 100% on them all game. Locks I try to avoid too. And WE monks. Usually those classes are kryptonite

[indigo hill]

I'm not running crackshot myself atm. The bug and the massive amount of cc messes it up to much.

Fof is a pain with ww monks. Cd is too short.

[lost quest]

Those are just bugs. I mean, talents like crackshot should be reworked into something more reasonable. I would love it to proc rng like opportunity. It would synergize with Greenskins Wickers a lot more.

[spring bough]

Biggest flaw is getting CC in crack windows or killing sprees other than that can’t really think of much

[lavish gorge]

I agree Peter, you're right. Also sinnen yes, cc in crack windows is the bane of my existence

[spring bough]

And I play the most counterintuitive way for trickster and ignore crack windows to pump unseen blades and killing spree. Which somehow works. But that’s just something yall gotta play with and see what works for you

[candid tide]

how do you avoid locks

they will dot the whole team up

i always kill lock

[spring bough]

I just train locks and interrupt every chance I get and stand in it lol

[lost quest]

KS is visually most satisfying ability for me to press. I would love ghostly strike to be reworked to grant immunity instead of damage. Would synergize with KS and people wouldnt be afraid to press it than. Also ghostly strike name fits something like granted immunity 😄

[lavish gorge]

Would you say fatebound has use cases? I'm leaning to trickster simply to stop snd from breaking stealth on a tails coin flip

[spring bough]

And pray I have a good healer

[indigo hill]

I don't. I always go for lock and shut them down as much as possible. Save my cos for last.

[spring bough]

Just don’t target anyone when you hit snd and that won’t happen

[indigo hill]

If you don't target and enemy when using snd in stealth it won't break.

[lavish gorge]

Well. You've just solved my biggest gaming flaw.

Thank

You.

But I digress, why trickster over fatebound?

[spring bough]

Because if you wanna pump unseen blade you gotta change the rotation which is a nice change up from DF of the regular vanish crack vanish crack

And it’s more like open KS, coup, then crack for how I play

And then coup > KS every time it’s up before crack

Goal for that is to get maximum unseen blades and coup procs

KS gives two blades every press. You you can pretty much get coup to proc after it 95% of the time

Then coup can give 20-40% + damage to finishers. Usually hit KS after coup if I can or right into crack window for maximum pump

[minor zenith]

what are th embelishments u using for outlaw?

[spring bough]

Wep grip and verse embelish

[lavish gorge]

So it gives you a little more to work with. With the changes coming up this'll only improve fluidity id imagine. Are there any classes you avoid engaging? What's your ideal match up (aside from the obvious loners on CD)

Also thank you for all the insight 🙂

[spring bough]

Mages get deleted. DKs die fast too

I have trouble with some locks and DHs sometimes

[lavish gorge]

Interesting. I've also found similarly myself. Having issues with DH caught me off guard honestly ahhah

[indigo hill]

You ever vanish when dk summons his friends just to waste their cd?

[spring bough]

MM can def give you problems too

[spring bough]

I’ll be honest. I probably defensively vanish 1% of the time. Other than that if it’s up and I can crank crack shots I’m doing it

[lavish gorge]

So I'm coming from old classic rogue, how does vanish function on a fundamental level? Does it break combat in pvp as well?

[spring bough]

It does

[indigo hill]

Nah I don't mean defensive. It's just funny to see the dk stand there with his horseman doing nothing. 🤣

[spring bough]

Usually just cleave it all down with flurry

[lavish gorge]

How interesting. I've never been able to cloak after it. But that's honestly probably because of stealth bugs

[spring bough]

Usually wanna cloak then vanish kinda the same time

[lavish gorge]

Thats what I do generally, talented into cloak pvp talent too

[indigo hill]

Our vanish immune buff is only 1.5 seconds. Used to be longer if I remember correctly.

[lavish gorge]

Knowing that makes me wanna focus that aspect a little harder. Albeit maybe I'm just not getting far away fast enough

Yeah thats what im thinking dim

[indigo hill]

Last time i played rogue seriously before tww was premop. I could be wrong about the vanish.

[dull bridge]

they got sub 2/4 set, its joever

[azure rapids]

that BTE bugg is killa annoying 😄

but go for Outlaw ,it`s very fun and good in Blitz

[spring bough]

I usually make sure I have flurry up at all times and idek if it hits a CCd player 😂

Max pump

[candid tide]

why huntets get 100 defensives while roug only 2

[azure rapids]

not as strong as sub or assa but you can have good successs on Outlaw in Blitz or evenmore in arena i think

[lavish gorge]

@spring bough could you dm me your build?

[lost quest]

Commrades, was there a time in history of dc that rogue dev came here like, lets talk rogue a little or is it only platform for players to discuss changes he comes with?

[dull bridge]

found the rogue player in my lobbies

[spring bough]

Me? You won’t see me for a week 😭 lol

[spring bough]

At work rn. It’s vaanncleef on tichondrius. I think I logged in pve gear tho. I can send u something later

[lavish gorge]

Thank you for taking the time, in that case!

[lone anvil]

Have you tried Cats. 10/10

I got a new amazing sword transmog that matches my current outfit.

Does that mean I have to swap to being an outlaw main guys?

[sweet swallow]

do enduring bloodstone cc dmg reductions stack? like 1 does 5%, does it cap at that?

[brave crag]

By law yes

[sweet swallow]

nvm it says unique equipped

[lone anvil]

Hmmm

I imagine it stacks

Alot of top rogues on Murdock io have multiple 🤔 🧐

[lavish gorge]

Mfw getting left and right thunderfury fragments on two different characters.

soulbooouuuund.....

Whats our ideal stat package for outlaw on pvp?

[tawdry imp]

I'll never understand how represented outlaw is in rogue discussion like this discord or the forum but how little I actually see them in game

where the outlaw rogues at

[indigo hill]

Stats!

Wasnt that the command?

Anyway its Vers. Haste to about 10/15%, then crit.

[lavish gorge]

Sick. Thank you.

@tawdry imp we're too busy getting flamed, so we don't talk to people.

Outlaws stick together.

[azure rapids]

there are not many Outlaw in general

it play alot diffrent than the other two specs

[spring bough]

Always here brother and always playing lol

[formal crystal]

where do i turn this in

ik it says but xd

[molten hedge]

Hello all. I am new to rogue and fairly new to PvP in general (S4 DF 1st ssn). I picked up Assa bc it’s simple for arena and BGs. I mostly played shuffle last ssn but may try 2/3s. I’ve been having problems surviving at times. I’m doing well damage wise most shuffles (anywhere from 400-700k dps). But my issue has been surviving when I get tunneled. Does anyone have a list of well thought out tips. Many ppl say “it’s situational.” I get that but surely there are generic tips and common ways to live through double wizard, double melee, or wizard/melee lobbies

[indigo hill]

City of threads in spiderpeople zone.

[molten hedge]

Pretty much my only way to 100% get out of something is to cloak/vanish since stealth is breaking so easily. Or cc the whole team and kite. Perhaps my positioning is really bad and I’m chasing too much. I’m sure I’m doing a lot wrong but looking for some veteran advice

[formal crystal]

yess thanks, did it and turned in for chest, my lowest ilvl

[formal crystal]

im not crazy good but make sure you're in line of sight of your healer in arenas, dont forget to use CC's aswell as defensives. feint is really good :)

[indigo hill]

I never use feint. 🤣

[azure rapids]

whaaa 😄

it`s a reflax for me :))

used to be better

[indigo hill]

Doesnt seem like a good ability. Maybe when there is aoe but it doesn't do anything else.

[formal crystal]

i started using it more the more i play haha it certainly makes a difference it feels like

[azure rapids]

i used it when holding flag

and being bombed by everybody :))

[formal crystal]

i changed cheat death to elusiveness aswell

reduces all dmg by 20% feels quiet nice

imo

[azure rapids]

herd about that

aswell

switching to feint

[indigo hill]

Yeah that probably makes it more useful.

Running cheat death myself.

[formal crystal]

yeah i did that at first and i mean sure it makes u survive a massive burst

[craggy silo]

You ever just get put in lobby's where you lose 11 TIMES more then you gain :)

[azure rapids]

:))))

ouch

[formal crystal]

but feint just makes me use it alot more and i feel like it contributes during the whole game compared to idk once

[formal crystal]

yupppppp

tf is that matchmaking tho

1.9k with 300

[indigo hill]

It's the mmr. The higher rated ones might have lost a round or two and the lower rated ones won a few and now they're together.

[formal crystal]

weird tho, no?

i get like 500 and 1.6k

but almost 2k rating with 300

[indigo hill]

I think the whole system is weird. 😂

[formal crystal]

:p

im just happy i got to 1.6k lol in shuffle so it "feels" like i did it on my own haha

feels like getting to gold in league where you get a skin idk XD 1.6k felt like a milestone

[indigo hill]

Think the is also a starting mmr. Just not sure at wich mrr. Might be like 1600 or something.

[formal crystal]

a yeah

[azure rapids]

in blitz in the last day`s i lose nothing even with 2 loses in a row

and then gain like 20 on next win

i think above 2k mmr it`s more forgiving on loss

this whole week was like that,even when i lost i still ended session on plsu rating 😛

[formal crystal]

btw what enchant do you guys have on chest? pure agility or agility and movementspeed?

[azure rapids]

slowly crawling up :)))

[craggy silo]

I won the 3 matches before I went to bed at 2k team rating. and first match of the day today was the 1400 lobby with -22

[indigo hill]

After 1500 cr it's a slow climb.

[formal crystal]

same for me in blitz, shuffle is another story..

[molten hedge]

Most abilities do aoe nowadays bc of PvE baked in so feint is rly good

[formal crystal]

but how do you guys win in blitz haha i feel like if i dont get alliance im just doomed

[azure rapids]

you get 27 tops rating at 2.2k mmr i think

[formal crystal]

legit lost twice with the carts 1500 to 0

not a single point

[azure rapids]

as Outlaw

[indigo hill]

I should probably start using feint. Right now it's tossed somewhere far in the back of my actionbar.

[azure rapids]

i try to politely take the reigns at start :))

run tactics

and usually work alot ,move around call stuff

gotta bring value if go as Outlaw

:)))

[formal crystal]

hahah

[spring bough]

Off bases. Sap caps. Blind caps. Smoke bomb caps. Or focus EFC all games

[formal crystal]

whats EFC

[azure rapids]

enemy flag carrier

[spring bough]

Enemy flag carriers

[formal crystal]

ah thanks

[azure rapids]

it comes down to team composition aswell

[formal crystal]

capture the flag is my least favourite haha

[spring bough]

Lock them up. Stuns. Haymakers. Slows. Everything

[indigo hill]

I do that too. Cc the healer as well. Just be a disturbance to them as much as possible. I also run Airborne irritants for the aoe blinds. You can just interrupt multiple casters at once.

[formal crystal]

i feel like EFC has their whole team surrounded by everyone tho

meanwhile ours is idk first time warrior going in solo

[spring bough]

Don’t matter. One or two healer CCs and enough dps gonna kill the EfC

[formal crystal]

with no gear

fair fair

[azure rapids]

yep,objectives and tactics win blitz

[spring bough]

Prot war flag carriers are trolls

[azure rapids]

port warriors area really week

it`s so sad when i meet them in wpvp

[formal crystal]

but you cant do it alone rly since everyone got trinkets so do you mostly wait and cc until your team comes to go in?

[azure rapids]

because the spec is so fun to play

[formal crystal]

but btw what enchant do you guys have on chest? pure agility or agility and movementspeed?

[spring bough]

Hell in the new map I swap to fatebound and just do gem carries

[azure rapids]

every map and team has a diffrent composition,you can tell who you want to focus efc

[formal crystal]

why is speed so good?

[spring bough]

Two grips and sprint gets u there so fast to cap on this new map

[azure rapids]

yep ,next patch there will be 4 grips 😄

[formal crystal]

i swapped to fatebound just because you do pew pew more often, idk if there is any big difference between them?

[spring bough]

Fatebound is technically way more ST DPS than trick. It’s like 7% more in pve

[azure rapids]

i think i once got 6 cheapshots in subterfuge :)))

stopped the whole team in their tracks

[spring bough]

For PvP tho it feels a lot closer. Especially if you focus on killing spree/unseen blades for trick

[indigo hill]

I should read the tool tip to see how to proceed unseen blades and coup. Took forever to get it when I tried trickster.

[spring bough]

Fatebound feels way more rng than trick. Can easily force unseen blades. With fate it’s like what’s my next coin flip gonna be on 6 straight tails oh it’s heads fuck me

[formal crystal]

haha

i feel like fb has more burst? out of stealth

but trickster has more consistent dmg

[spring bough]

Coup adds 5 stacks of flawless. Flawess is 3% dmg to finishers per stack. Unseen adds one stack of flawless

So if you get 4 unseen and your coup comes up you press it have 9 stacks for a 27% inc to finisher damage

[azure rapids]

burst it on a KS 😛

might try trickster next patch when we get another grapple

[spring bough]

0.80 second global does wonders for coup and that’s all I got to say about that

[formal crystal]

idk whenever i used coup

it felt like it did 0 dmg?

i just used it to gapclose lol

[spring bough]

Don’t worry about its damage. You just want to get the 5 flawless stacks from it

All about those finisher buffs and smashing finishers

[formal crystal]

do you use a WA or something to keep track of unseen blade stacks?

[spring bough]

I do. LE rogue weak aura keeps track of its internal cooldown and also shows your flawless stack count

Once your in your 3rd unseen the next one’s gonna auto trigger coup

[formal crystal]

but the unseen stacks are only active for 12 seconds

do they all get consumed at once when you use a finisher?

or is it %inc dmg during 12 sec for all finishers

[lone anvil]

Murlock.io

[spring bough]

Yeah they fall off gradually. No they don’t get consumed that’s why u wanna max them then start spamming KS for two more blades into a crack window

[formal crystal]

people use both thats why i asked

[formal crystal]

ah so you still go crackshot rather than greenskins

[spring bough]

I’ve had people tell me my thought on this rotation is counterintuitive. Yeah on paper it looks that way. But its focus is to maximize flawless and unseen. Which turns into a lot of damage. People just gotta play the rotation that way to see it work

[formal crystal]

i 100% understand what you mean

[spring bough]

Cool burst over 1 minute just doing normal crack window as trickster may do more damage than the coup>ks> then crack. But over 2-5 that rotation gonna beat out

[lone anvil]

Last time I checked top rogue was using crystalline radiance. Both are probably good. The speed is kind of negligible. Even the enchant that gives +1000 speed only results in like 2% increase so I doubt you're going to notice it

[formal crystal]

but so thats what you're doing ur fighting like usual, saving KS for coup proc

combine them with crackshot and burst

[formal crystal]

ah okay i got the one with speed now hehe

got that 3% inc rn

[spring bough]

Not really. I press KS the first second I can. Then go back to crack rotation if coup procs and subterfuge is up I’m pressing that over another crackshot

Then back to the regularly scheduled crack shot window. But every time coup is up that’s priority. If coup and KS both up coup takes prio then KS then vanish into crack window

And by the time that windows done? KS almost off cd and your next coup coming soon

And that’s 2-4 more unseen which could be another 800k-1 million passive dmg

[formal crystal]

might try that

ig you have same stat prio as FB? any other dif in talent trree?

[spring bough]

I play to force unseen and maximize Ks damage. I don’t play to maximize crackshot damage

Not really any changes between the builds or any stat changes

I do go more haste than most. I have like 29% stealthed

More auto attacks more chances for unseen blades to reset when SND is active

[formal crystal]

fair, i just started getting less haste lol

[spring bough]

My mh and oh attk speed goes to sub 0.80 seconds

[lone anvil]

Are y'all all talking about playing fate as outlaw rogues

[spring bough]

Trickster as outlaw

[lone anvil]

Ahhh

[formal crystal]

as FB ig i should keep track of my coins better?

[lone anvil]

Pig my advice was for assassination rogues. Idk if it's different for outlaw

I haven't creeped outlaw on Murlock

[formal crystal]

oke c:

but idk i should prbably track my coinflips more

rn i juist do my vanish window whenever it feels good lol

pref with RTB and blood fury hah

[lone anvil]

What's an honest assessment of how outlaw feels in pvp you guys

[formal crystal]

consistent dmg no burst p tanky

i might be delulu

[lone anvil]

I tried outlaw a little bit when I was leveling my rogue up. Did some low level bgs. And I didn't love it. Assassination felt better to me. But that's also not a good representation of a class at high level

Outlaw seems to have the best movement of the 3 specs

With the grappling hook

[orchid plinth]

Sub has Shadowstrike teleport, Shadowstep 2x and Dust resetting cooldowns like shadowatep which is nice

[polar saffron]

im playing for 2 mothns without WA because im lazy, and i'm here to confirm its too difficult

jeez

idk if im half blind or blizzard icons are awful

[tawdry imp]

i know it's getting removed but I don't really get sepsis, was it more meaningful in the past?

it doesn't feel that meaningful of a dot to warrant a 1:30 cooldown?

[formal crystal]

from what i remember it was used in a oneshot combo

did insane dmg

[polar saffron]

sepsis was a huge dot

like hitting 2m

[spring bough]

Constant dmg. Can get bursty in crack windows. Pretty damn tanky. Usually stay in bad stuff and do fine

[tawdry imp]

definitely doesn't do that now

I guess they nerfed it and it just stuck around as filler

you do a nice little spin though

[polar saffron]

if i remember well

it had a conduit

that sepsis dmg in pvp was 240%

I didn't know it was still being used for sub

[warped gate]

I changed my character’s name and lost ALL my addon stuff, and out of curiosity tried to play without it and holy shit, it’s like playing with blinders. With an eyepatch on. Shit is so hard with so much to track.

[tawdry imp]

yeah that sounds much more powerful

it's still there but it's getting yeeted soon

along with dust 😢

[warped gate]

To keep it a stack though, I’d be down with it if we were all on the same playing field.

[lone anvil]

I've heard many people say this, what makes outlaw so tanky ?

[polar saffron]

yeah i was litarally only using details

but fuck is too difficult

[warped gate]

Being good at every aspect of your character’s kit is only reserved for the elite of the elite. These type of addons would be frowned upon in any other game. Imagine Street Fighter that blew a horn at you to jump when a fireball showed up, telling you how to punish something when you’re blocking, etc.

[polar saffron]

when i apply deathmark that has like 15 squares

[tawdry imp]

I could not play this game without addons

I get that pikaboo can spot the icebound fortitude in his enemies 47 debuffs but I cannot

[warped gate]

If everyone is ass, no one is ass.

[polar saffron]

it's unplayable without addons

[tawdry imp]

I feel like we'd all be frustrated ass

[warped gate]

Addons is like MLB back when everyone was on roids.

[polar saffron]

but setup shit is so boring

[warped gate]

All of us is knocking shit out the park.

[tawdry imp]

that's very kind of you to assume

[warped gate]

Thats one thing I give FF14 its props for.

[spring bough]

Evasion and feint CDR

Can press them a lot and have a pretty good uptime on them

[lone anvil]

Nice good to know

[spring bough]

As trick fazed targets also do 5% less dmg to you

And then pistol shot also makes them do 5% less dmg to you

Evasion cooldowns usually around a minute with CDR. Can be less if ripping finishers

And with feint being off global next patch. It’s gonna be up even more often

Might have to play elusiveness next patch for that

[tender ember]

why so hyped about no gcd feint when its ALMOST never pressed

and even bugged cheat death is better anyway cos rog is too squishy

and doesnt have shit to use while stunned xd

could understand if they reworked it to wall, even with less % and gcd

[craggy silo]

Im about to not play pvp anymore, I cant.

[tender ember]

did u lose streak?

[polar saffron]

i cant get this

[spring bough]

I press it 12+ times a game as outlaw

[polar saffron]

sometimes you get a lobby with almost everyone with the same cr even higher

[spring bough]

It saves my life in games

[polar saffron]

and sometimes you have 200 cr diff between all of them

[tender ember]

idk bro its aoe wall

[lavish gorge]

@spring bough do you run cheat death or the 20 percent on evasion?

[spring bough]

Do you see how much aoe is in every game? Lmao

[spring bough]

Chest death for now. Might switch to elusive on the no gcd change

[lavish gorge]

Similar thoughts.

[spring bough]

That’s what a 40% dmg reduction every evasion with feint up

Feint with elusiveness is 20% dmg reduction and could probably have that close to 100% uptime without a GCd

[lavish gorge]

Pretty huge with how bursty a lot of these classes can be

20 percent on 100% uptime > 1 time cheat death every 6ish minutes.

I think that's a huge amount of damage mitigated over a fight

[spring bough]

And then evasions what 20 seconds? So 20% reduction there too. With two feints that’s 40% reduction for 20 seconds every minute or so

[lavish gorge]

Like always though cc will be the deciding factor

Isn't there a pvp talent that couples another dr resist to evasion with feint?

I may be misremembering

[craggy silo]

nope, as the previous one, I had 3 wins before I went to bed at 2.1k mmr and first match today was a 1400 with -22 then 1800+ with 11+ the once I lose are usually these brackets, the forced 1400's with people that have played bg's 3 times before.

Thank the higher powers, we won

+2

[lavish gorge]

Or is it a flat number on feint that also applies to ST damage

Im sleep deprived maybe I should head off lol

Elusiveness. I'm just thinking of elusiveness lmao

So yeah 40 percent on huge uptime

[craggy silo]

yea, like Elusiveness was the go too back in the day, cheat death is usually just a gimmick but now everyone is dropping Elusiveness. I think it was no cost no charges back then I guess.

[spring bough]

I can def see it making a come back

Gonna macro feint to evasion. Feint to crimson vial. Feint to cloak. Feint to vanish probably

Countless abilities macros it’s going on lmao. Won’t even need to think about pressing it

And we flowing with energy with 2/2 vigor so fk it max uptime

[craggy silo]

could be it will be good in November when our playstyle will slow down a bit.

[spring bough]

Might drop cto for greenskin too with bte resetting on vanish

Could get some huge pistol pumps with that. Already can crit for like 750k with greenskin now

[stoic spruce]

sometimes you need to get away

[spring bough]

Katy Perry is that you

[stoic spruce]

I am

undeniable

[spring bough]

How’s juicy j doin

[stoic spruce]

he is not dead

[formal crystal]

whats cto

[stoic spruce]

count the odds

[spring bough]

CTO. Count the odds. One of our most important talents rn

[formal crystal]

ah

[stoic spruce]

maybe its just me but sometimes it feels like coup isnt that great

[spring bough]

Popo shhhh don’t ask questions

Just go with the flow brother 😂

Tbf coup should give like 10 flawless stacks a press

5 is kinda meh

[stoic spruce]

wish KS still cleaved

[spring bough]

As long as it still does 1 mil plus to primary I’m good with that

[indigo hill]

Which option makes abilities on the ground more visible?

[lavish gorge]

Tbh its criminal seeing outlaw take nerfs before fixing the class. That said, these changes in 20th anniversary also should be on live like right now 🤌🤌

[spring bough]

I think particle density in settings

[halcyon timber]

I wantttt to get awayyyy i wannnaaaa flyyyy awayyyyyy yeahhhh yeahhhhh

[indigo hill]

Thanks. Couldn't see the what the dh put on the ground.

[halcyon timber]

Dynamic particle settings is my go to

Keeps the nonsense down a good bit

[indigo hill]

You guys use a re tabinder addon?

[formal crystal]

Whats that

[indigo hill]

An addon that automaticly changes your tab targetting to enemy players when you enter pvp

[formal crystal]

oh okay

[craggy silo]

wait, I need that!

pog

[indigo hill]

https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19089-RETabBinder-PVPSmartTargeting.html

Its this one. Very handy to handy. Need a manual download though. Can't get it via Curseforge.

[runic trench]

i swear this was just a normal game setting?

[formal crystal]

yeah i think it used to be

[celest burrow]

geez once you start trying out veil as a pvp talent its hard not to have it lol

[orchid plinth]

The addon part is that it changes when you enter arena. So you don't need to manually change your keybindings.

[tawdry imp]

blizz pls make baseline

[craggy silo]

ty

[formal crystal]

1.6k mental block only

once i got it in shuffle i got it in 2v2s

11W 6L tday :) happy w that - 2v2's

[odd yew]

I need 20th anniversary changed to be live on the sole factor that both sepsis and shadowdust aren't going to exist

[lavish gorge]

How many accidental fatebound rogue pulls you think there'll be on day 1 when they start coin flipping on AR

[formal crystal]

can we not get these set items aswell?

and for weapon?

[azure rapids]

@spring bough after you started talking about trickster,it remained with me

slowly burrowing deeper

fading in the backround 😄

very curious about trying it out 😄

[spring bough]

Do it up. It’s fun as hell. I’m having a blast with it anyways lol

[spring bough]

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[potent pivot]

those are pve

[azure rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-eek-gif-27131035

[spring bough]

Could get it to 636 for the set. You’d have to do a ton of 9 keys. Would need 180 crests for two items of that set 💀

An you get 12 crests per timed clear and 5 for a completed

[formal crystal]

sad

[spring bough]

So you’d need to do 15 +9 keys timed runs to get that set to max ilvl

RIP to pvp no longer giving crests 😭

[stoic spruce]

Blizzard please. All I'm asking for is a small % of pvp effectiveness on the tooltips

[formal crystal]

rip

[spring bough]

2100+ last season gave the max level crests for wins. Really wish we still got that

[candid tide]

man rogue is truly the most difficult spec ingame right

i mean sub is

[formal crystal]

uh

[candid tide]

no cap

like there so many dimensions to it

its really not that 123

[formal crystal]

for me it feels like outlaw is harder than sub heh

[candid tide]

really

[formal crystal]

yeahi might be delulu tho

[candid tide]

like u really dont want to always dance with shadowblades together always u know

like in some matchups u wanna bait out with blades for few sec

so they throw their cc on u

and then dance a bit lateron

else u get ccd both in dance and blades together etc

i see now why whaazz is doing it

[formal crystal]

prices of vicious bloodstones has started going down, you guys think it will stay that way

or we seeing them spike up again like always luly

[potent pivot]

nah they'll keep dropping

[formal crystal]

because rn im just selling all of them lol

most people want them now to be the best before everyone else

makes a shit ton of money c:

was thinking if it was time soon to stop selling them

[craggy silo]

ours are going up again, was down to 4k now its 6,5k again

[formal crystal]

4k wtf

sold mine for 9k yesterday

4 of them

[lyric onyx]

hmm do i buy conq chest this week or craft ilvl 639 duskthread helm

[formal crystal]

i honestly thing im gonna recraft and get rid of duskthread ^ i dont feel like i have that much uptime on it, probably because im to bad and take to much dmg

so me personally would probably benefit more from something else

[tawdry imp]

how can two alliance members be fighting outside of a duel in war mode, when neither are hostile to me (also alliance)?

surely if they were doing some sort of mercenary mode one of them would be hostile to me too

[lyric onyx]

they really hate each other

[formal crystal]

other than duskthread, what r the best embellishments? im thinking of elemental focusing lens and ascendance

[lyric onyx]

if you're going ascendance i think you also do the thing that doubles it

[formal crystal]

yeah 100%

im thinking of either of them

not together hehe

[potent pivot]

The free for all WQs keep you FFA flagged for like 30 seconds after leaving them

[lyric onyx]

oohh mb

[formal crystal]

nah np i appreciate ur answer :D

[potent pivot]

That’s why sometimes when you first roll up to a war crate a lot of your own faction is still FFA flagged if they’re coming from a wpvp WQ

[tawdry imp]

ah it's got to be something like that, although the two times it's happened have been in hallowfall where I can't see any like that

does keep happening though so must be

[lyric onyx]

ascendance is probably more consistent since its not a proc... the focusing thing could proc crazily tho and do big dps

[celest burrow]

@potent pivot yep and some of us pay attention to faction when that happens others tunnel red is dead mindlessly. It's hilarous 🙂

[potent pivot]

Some people can be kinda dumb

[formal crystal]

@potent pivot what r ur thoughts about embellishment if one is not going duskthread

[potent pivot]

Ascendance is bad imo for rogue

[formal crystal]

all 2ndary stats are good no?

[potent pivot]

It takes 80 seconds to fully stack

And dropping combat resets stacks

[formal crystal]

mby im doing somthing wrong but as outlaw i feel like im perma in combat lol

[potent pivot]

If you’re outlaw focusing lens isn’t terrible

[formal crystal]

also got enduring brawler so it lowkey synergizes

to be in combata

[potent pivot]

It’s also going to be garbage in blitz

[lyric onyx]

ok its ass then

[formal crystal]

sure but i mostly do 2's and 3's

[potent pivot]

And when you vanish you drop combat

[formal crystal]

not alot of blitz

u have the stacks for 10 sec its just that u dont get a new one if ur not in combatr

[potent pivot]

If you vanish while it has less than 8 seconds on the buff vanish resets your stacks

[formal crystal]

so vanish into opening again surely u dont lose the stacks?

[potent pivot]

Not always no

[lyric onyx]

think youd rather not risk that tho

sometimes you wanna vanish and chill

[formal crystal]

the only ones i chill against is evokers

[potent pivot]

Duskthread is just better imo

If you aren’t going Duskthread as outlaw go focusing lens

[formal crystal]

can u go 2x of them

or what should the other be

[potent pivot]

I think so

[formal crystal]

saw someone go captured starlight

but 445k shield is not that much is it

[potent pivot]

Nah

It was also nerfed recently I think

[formal crystal]

ah okay

i mean yeah its lowkey the amount of dmg that one feint would reduce lol

btw how much conq can we get next week?

im at 0 rn and im guessing my next item should be the last set item - right

[lyric onyx]

3400 next week

[formal crystal]

then rings , 636 gear and lastly trinkets

[formal crystal]

so we can get 600 ?

sad thats nothing

[lyric onyx]

yeah its sad

[loud ember]

what do we actually go for

i was thinking rings or a neck

[formal crystal]

surely last item for set?

[loud ember]

i got chest last week

[formal crystal]

or do we make a 636 item set item and upgrade later?

[loud ember]

dont have anymore catalyst charges

[formal crystal]

youll get more in a week or two, no?

[loud ember]

two weeks

so like 2 resets which is plenty of time to earn enough conquest for the gloves

i was thinking this week get a ring or neck and put some sockets on it

[formal crystal]

i got gloves this time heh

turned token in at 1600 rating for chest

[lyric onyx]

are we still going for 4 set?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[loud ember]

i know ass is

[polar burrow]

I was so high last night when I spent my weapon tickets I just saw mastery and bought the fist weapons and equipped them. Woke up an outlaw rogue against my will

[loud ember]

what are you getting this week?

i think we got the same pieces

[potent pivot]

Well I crafted a ring last week

[lyric onyx]

4 set for all specs?

[potent pivot]

Conq chest this week

[lyric onyx]

if so then im getting chest easy

[potent pivot]

Ye

[formal crystal]

ah yeah i didnt think much about the stats thats changing when you make set item whopise

i got shoulder, hands, legs

[lyric onyx]

chest it is

brain off buy time

[formal crystal]

but @potent pivot for me that idk how tf i bought my gear, i followed the FAQ at start then autopilotet. All of my armour is 636+ surely its not worth getting one of those to 639 when i can get rings / neck from 626 to 639?

[lavish gorge]

Thanks boss, could you elucidate a bit of your theory on this? I know a lot of how you play is unconventional, so I just wanna pick your mind on that.

[spring bough]

I just prio coup over Ks over crack. Goal is to get maximum unseen procs and as many KS as you can and coup as well to boost that finisher damage 20%+ depending on flawless stacks

My average KS is around 1.4 mil a cast

[lavish gorge]

Rolling into crackshot windows with 20% seems bursty af

[spring bough]

I got a 1.3m bte crit on the pvp training dummy using four set after getting 20%+ dmg from coup too and the four set stacks

And that’s not including whatever dispatch hit for

[lavish gorge]

I've yet to have seen someone not spec into heavy hitter, but honestly it makes perfect sense. We don't want our primary damage to be coming from builders anyway

[candid tide]

bm hunters are nuts now