pvp

[river pollen]

lining*

[topaz bobcat]

prob cuz u don't shut down the dmg as much as say lock

[graceful ravine]

im fine with being lower than locks

but lower than wars rets dhs and enhance?

seems odd

[topaz bobcat]

what do u mean

enh is easier to kill

ret too

[outer sky]

its not a list of whats easiest to kill. Otherwise assa would be S tier and everything else would be F tier

It's a list for whats the best specs to target

[topaz bobcat]

i think ret is easier to kill their healing is gutted

and enh too cuz does low dmg if u focus and make it spam heal

[river pollen]

nvm my question i just realized we can only use 2 embelish

[graceful ravine]

im surprised ww went from one of the most squishiest classe to "avoid"

the defensive buffs mustve been good

[topaz bobcat]

WW is stupid op dunno why ppl don't play it imo

[sturdy yoke]

does hemotoxin stack w/ wound poison

[vague comet]

does noone know the answer to this ? 😦

[outer sky]

No

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir, it requires any algari gem.

[vague comet]

got ya thank you!

[halcyon timber]

No problem, procs moderately. Nice little bonus damage around 130k hits.

[vague comet]

it has to be in that ring tho right? other gear doesnt count?

[outer sky]

it requires a gem but it doesnt have to be in a ring. Also the meta gems do not count

[vague comet]

ohhh cool cool, very imortant info right there

ty guys

[halcyon timber]

Yep, just make sure to check what can / cannot slot when looking to make something

[vague comet]

yup

I mean whatever it says on the fuckton of honor thingy everything works I assume

head rings neck bracers

[celest burrow]

Got to 78 working on learing to memory the nuances of assassination. I figure if played well you can beat a lot of specs 1v1 and in the world. Any tips versus other classes on over all strategy, mainly control, try to mitigate and kite while letting dots kill and keeping burst windows open ? Thanks just learning it haven't played rogue in a long time but it's fun so far.

[stoic spruce]

Chat

What's the thing called that puts a white sheet over a dead player

[kind quartz]

Funeral something

[stoic spruce]

I've been given that answer multiple times and I'm starting to think that's what it's actually called

[outer sky]

@potent pivot

[kind quartz]

https://i.imgur.com/AEYxaJg.png

i have half a bar dedicated to corpse bm items

[lyric onyx]

Contemplation on paladin is my fave bm

[mellow egret]

cooh what r some other good items lol

[outer sky]

I've lost almost 200 rating in SS because my last 5 lobbies have had survival hunters AND evokers

how do they think it's okay for survival to counter assa so hard

he just alternates disarm and mending

and makes it a 2v3

I cant do anything

[worthy crag]

its the funnest thing to do as a sv

ohhh you are the rogue from my lobby LOL

[orchid plinth]

They don't call them Survival for nothing 😎

[outer sky]

lmk when youre queueing so I know not to

It's just impossible

but yoyure like the 4th surv hunter ive seen tn

[worthy crag]

oh im done, lol

[outer sky]

and that MM hunter

[worthy crag]

yeah i had a lobby with another sv and you dont see that every day

[outer sky]

w/e his name was

was so bad

[worthy crag]

usually its a MM when its a double hunter

[outer sky]

MM is annoying but surv is just impossible to play against if theyre not completely afk

like how do you ever lose

vs an assa rogue

[worthy crag]

its tough for rogues in general, maybe not as much for outlaw

sub gets destroyed as well

[mellow egret]

ive been playing outlaw and enjoying it but defintiely very hard to secure a kill though

[outer sky]

you cant completely shut down a sub rogue like you can as assa rogue though

[mellow egret]

my burst is sooo much lower than when im sub

[outer sky]

You can literally make a big weakaura for when kidney shot is used

and press disarm or mending

whichever isnt on CD

and the go is over

[worthy crag]

I just run a diamond ice and trap the sub over the healer during their dance and just pve the enemy healer's mana bar

disarm on blind, scatter tar trap, etc

binding shot shadowstep

[outer sky]

yeah but you can do all of that to an assa rogue too

plus mending

that shit needs to be a 1m CD like caut flame

[worthy crag]

yeah, but their dots still tick a fair amount I find

taking mending + disarm is a huge pvp talent investment and its a hard choice when its a caster sin hybrid comp

because i lose chimaeral sting

[outer sky]

what matters is you can remove them during a kill window

having bleeds ticking on you and the healer doesnt do me any good with the KT in a kidney

[outer sky]

but youve made it a 3v2

for all intents and purposes

i dont have PvP talents that can do that lol

[worthy crag]

you can also meld disarm which is fairly easy if its cast from a range

[outer sky]

having so many good choices that you cant decide is a pretty nice problem to have

[worthy crag]

you used to be able to cloak it because it was somehow treated as a magic effect but not anymore

[outer sky]

you need the cloak talent for it now yeah

[worthy crag]

usually the best way to go around it is to save bomb for when disarm is on CD because mend is a 10 yrd range

[outer sky]

unless you have Aspect of the Eagle y'all are usually pretty close by

but having to rely on a 3m CD for a smoke bomb kill because if the surv hunter can target me for 1 global he can totally shut me down doesnt seem very well balanced

[worthy crag]

Yeah its pretty rough in general, I feel the same way when I queue sub into warr lobbies

eh people said the same thing about cauterizing flame but they got along just fine

[outer sky]

thats a 1m CD

mending is 25s

less than half

[worthy crag]

just pray you get lucky lobbies xD

happens to everyone

[runic trench]

when people say wait for cds

do they mean blades

[kind quartz]

besides the one that only works on friendly corpse if you do it in the correct order you can use every one of these on a player corpse if they don't release

[outer sky]

last 5 have had either a surv or double voker

[runic trench]

or is symbols enough?

[outer sky]

dance is fine

[mellow egret]

oh jeez lmaooo

[worthy crag]

they arent rly referring to symbols when they say CDs

[kind quartz]

basically i kill somebody then disenchant them suck out their soul chop them into pieces sacrifice the meat pile and cover it with the funeral cloth

[runic trench]

do you also bind trinket to blades only or do you use it on cd

its a rather short cd

[worthy crag]

i remember when I used to get aug lobbies as sub in season 2

[kind quartz]

and stick a flag in it

[worthy crag]

literally the worst

or feral lobbies

[kind quartz]

if they release corpse though you can't do it

[worthy crag]

better to separate blades and trinket

[runic trench]

just use the highmaul flag

[mellow egret]

sheeeshh, thats insane lmaoo

[runic trench]

you have thehighmaul flag, the faction flag and the flag of ownership

thats alot of flags

[worthy crag]

yall dont have meerah's jukebox to place on top of the dead body? smh

[mellow egret]

send linkkkk

[worthy crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qnTHL4v_do

its a low rate drop from a rep paragon box, I think I went through about 20~25 of em

and you can use it in rated pvp instance, and I have the flag of ownership binded together

though nowdays I only really use it when they are being ass and staying after one is dead

[mellow egret]

ok got ya got ya

[radiant glen]

@outer sky bro is POPPING OFF in the 1800 lobby

[outer sky]

well 4 hours ago I was 2100 so yeah thatll happen

whos stream am I on?

[radiant glen]

none

im fking around on alts

just made a hpal the other day

[outer sky]

oh you were the hpal

[radiant glen]

i coulda 6-0d but i suicided 3rd round and kinda misplayed heavily on 1st

DISPELLING UA

neuron activation

[outer sky]

yeah that first round

you threw that one hard ngl

but w/e

Always frustrating when a match ends in a draw

neither team gets a point

[radiant glen]

yeeee i literally didnt see ur cloak go off on my ui and overtraded to make up for it

and then it showed as being on cooldown and u just died 2nd go

but thats shuffle ig

no comms do be like that

[outer sky]

yeah

at least they didnt get a point

[radiant glen]

fair

[outer sky]

their enh sham died as soon as I did

[radiant glen]

sudden demise moment

[outer sky]

people at this rating are just so bad man. ngl i'm a little tilted because ive been queueing into survival hunters all night

but that priest was terrible

the shaman

trinketed disarm every game

my god

[radiant glen]

lobbies r so random this early i swear

ive played with r1s and 1200 3 years in a row players in the same lobby

[outer sky]

idk why I even care this early ngl

I wasnt going to queue tonight

because frost mage nerfs hit tomorrow

but said fuck it

then remembered theres 1 thing worse than a frost mage

surv hunter

legit 5 lobbies in a row

[radiant glen]

yeeeeeeee

ive avoided qing main this early bc its super toxic

[outer sky]

and that fucking priest wouldnt dispel root totem

just sitting in earthgrab

watching subterfuge tick down

[radiant glen]

im sure he was trying his best :')

[kind quartz]

Please understand the buttons must be pressed

[radiant glen]

i still think the highlight was watching the priest trinket a half rep to cast a shadow word pain

without the atonement healing the game would surely be lost

[lost quest]

Can you equip two crafted algari rings?

[indigo hill]

You can. Just not more than 2 embellishments.

[kind quartz]

damn so it isn't just me

ww monks really are that weak

when i shit all over one and ignore them in pvp most of the time it's just a natural formed habit

when i go and play one i understand why i dumpstered it on sin and ignored it while being a healer

it's like a fake hybrid that is actually less durable than my rogue

[peak jolt]

those damn hunters. Played 3 SS games yesterday, all 3 had hunters

[runic trench]

ww monks? arnt they tearing shit apart right now?

[kind quartz]

i haven't seen them do as such

the only thing i can remember about encountering them is i go floaty float at the end of a combo

and i only take mental note of that because it extends the time that other real classes can beat me up

[outer sky]

WW is good it's just not insanely good

I'm not a big fan of the redesign

[kind quartz]

bleed dumping and vanishing so they can't even use karma to survive makes me smile

concpetually they have the same defensives of an enh sham but one is restricted to needing a target

[outer sky]

The biggest thing when fighting WWs as a rogue is just surviving their 30s long SEF+Xuen burst when all you have is 10s of evasion

After that they're pretty easy to deal with

[kind quartz]

but enh sham has like waaaaay higher damage than ww

and cloak is also good against both of them

[outer sky]

A good WW will be difficult to kill though. The average ones flop but the really good ones are super slippery with their port and know exactly when and how to use it

At least you can disarm an enh shaman and stop a lot of damage

A WW monk doesn't care if he gets disarmed

[indigo hill]

Redesign of ww is 💩

[outer sky]

Yeah I vastly prefer DF WW

[kind quartz]

i prefer'd mop and wod ww

[indigo hill]

Hero talents aren't much better. Expected something cool from shado pan but instead your fist of fury become a bit more furious.

[kind quartz]

like how eye beam is for havoc

FoF used to be like that

it feels like i just use it to parry now

[outer sky]

The spec just feels kind of off right now. All of your damage is a bunch of fast, small hits that add up

WW used to chunk health bars

[kind quartz]

i mean it feels healthy

[outer sky]

Which I think was more suited to the spec

[kind quartz]

but then i can literally stun blast it and dump huge bleeds and vanish

and they lose a defensive from that

i haven't been able to do that since legion with exsanguinate

[outer sky]

I don't think you're going to force karma with just a garrote and rupture ticking on him.

[kind quartz]

give somebody ayylmao bleeds and peace

nah more than that

[orchid plinth]

How is a kung-fu panda doing a bunch of small hits that add up not fitting?

[outer sky]

Maybe if you get garrote, rupture, CT, and deathmark. But that's assuming you've got the healer CCd so they can tick unmitigated

[orchid plinth]

(But I also hate all the small hits WoW currently has)

[kind quartz]

this isn't strictly 2v2/3v3 scenarios

world fights and bg's

[outer sky]

It's just contrary to how the spec has generally played and how most people have gotten accustomed to playing it. WW usually has a button they can press after some kind of set up to take a big bite out of your health bar

[kind quartz]

but yeah those and kingsbane with deathmark shiv because i love bleeding turbo dots

and the bleeding execute

[outer sky]

Right now Rising Sun Kick being as bad as it is actually feels like crap

[orchid plinth]

I've just heard how Max from liquid praising WW as one of the best feeling specs currently.
But yes I get that changing how things deal damage from one expansion can feel weird.

[outer sky]

Was he referencing pve or pvp?

[orchid plinth]

PvE

[kind quartz]

it does feel good in that area compared to havoc but i'd rather be outlaw than those 2

[outer sky]

Because in PvE it's completely different. WW has multiple talents that scale directly with haste and add huge value if you have high up time but in PVP lower uptime makes those talents less of a factor

[kind quartz]

they also can't do anything meaningful in short bursts

sin can drop bleeds at least

[outer sky]

That's why WW monks expected to stack haste to the moon this season but eventually abandoned that idea and now only stack 10-15%

Yeah that too

You really need to stick to someone for a bit to make it matter

[kind quartz]

need at least 10 seconds contact to go through a rot and drop fof wirling with maybe a flurry proc

[outer sky]

I'd like to see them add another stun for WW. A single target stun with a shorter CD than leg sweep and put on a choice node with sweep

[kind quartz]

oh geez yeah sweep is 3sec lol

kidney may not be aoe but damn that ruins somebody's day

[outer sky]

yeah a 4s ST stun on a 45s CD but reduced by 10s by the talent like sweep is

would be great for WW

[kind quartz]

does mind control still remove dots?

[surreal barn]

Remember when we had aoe kidney for like 2 weeks

😆

[wintry dew]

I don't D:

[kind quartz]

i miss exsanguinate man

[severe hazel]

guys am i the only one to find sepsis a bit awkward on sub? i mean its gone soon but till then... do you just press it while bursting or just w/e ?

[kind quartz]

does it work like it did in sl?

[severe hazel]

last time i played kyrian was the meta and im still not used to sepsis being a dot

so no big hit during burst anyway etc

[surreal barn]

You used the teleport yet

[severe hazel]

ye i think

[tender ember]

how to get to see nameplate string in blitz from far distance?

[surreal barn]

Next time you know you’ll need to shadowstep sepsis first and use that

[severe hazel]

ye the tleport can be handy

its not like i think its bad

just feels kinda weird

[surreal barn]

Just think of it as extra damage and you’re really just using it to get to dust

If you never want to use it you don’t have to lol

[severe hazel]

ye i guess 😄

do we know anything about how the plan on replace sepsis / dust?

i read something about a talent that gives more symbols charges

ah nvm i see there are beta calculators already. seems like the symbols thingy replaces dust

[candid tide]

yeah 3 symbols in place i heard yesterday

and something with kyrian too

[wintry dew]

Nop

[spring bough]

Who works at blizz

How do we get maintenance to the regular one hour today

Instead of this three hour nonsense

[severe hazel]

btw before the exansion / season i saw a lof of ppl flaming the new pvp enchant. i got it last night and i think it looks pretty cool no? very noticable at least what a lot of ppl seemed to be critizinsing? or did they change it to what it looked like easrlier?

@wintry dew what changed from sepsi to sl compared to now? the teleport and the double stealth ability? i remember sl was only a stealth ability when the dot expired i think

[wintry dew]

Compared to some they did in the past, it looks bad

[candid tide]

best to not fuss about what changes gonna happen but just adapt to the new meta

enjoy the process

[wintry dew]

I wish I could help you but I don't play sub.
During sl / DF it gave you 1 charge of stealth ability when you pressed it and another when it poped

[candid tide]

its still the same now

if play right into the dance rotation u can have 2 shadowstrike steps to a target which is pretty nice

good to catch those pesky mages

[severe hazel]

true. remember mop i think it was where every ambush / cs / garrote teleported you to a target... good old times 😄

[wintry dew]

And being in stealth for 3 seconds and burst of speed

[severe hazel]

if i think about it now... god that was broken beyhod hell 😄

[wintry dew]

Burst of speed should have never gone away

[candid tide]

nah thats toomuch

[severe hazel]

i always wondered if it was too good compared to step but i guess its kinda hard compare

[orchid plinth]

Giv Paralytic Poison

Shiv Root, "rng" stun in different DR. Was fun.

[wintry dew]

We had so many cool stuff

[lost quest]

Can you convert crafted gear to tier piece please?

[wintry dew]

No

[sharp sierra]

i miss doing dmg 🥲

fuck is so painful starting pvp now

without gear

[wintry dew]

You can get gear extremely fast

[sharp sierra]

i noticed that

honestly i did some things that i not sure is correct

but i crafted weapons

is that bad ?

[severe hazel]

its not bad

just delays gearing

bc you get weps for free anyways

[spring bough]

Well great news. WEP QUEST TODAY

[orchid plinth]

You won't complete the quest this reset

[severe hazel]

there wont be a quest anymore

[wintry dew]

Why not

[orchid plinth]

TECHNICALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE REMOVING IT

[spring bough]

Huh? I’m 2200/2500 and you get 600 points am I not mathing right

[severe hazel]

they change it to be an acm and make it work with seasonal earne points

[wintry dew]

LOL

Pixel baited me

[severe hazel]

they stopped being stupid

[wintry dew]

Yeah it was a good change

[severe hazel]

thats how it should have always been. so many ppl mad after not picking it up in time / faction changing

[spring bough]

Did they really fuck us like that lmao

Good thing I crafted wep day one

[severe hazel]

its a straight positive?

[wintry dew]

You get weapons today

Instead of a quest

It just tracks how much conquest you got during the season

At 2500 you get weapons

[severe hazel]

only difference some classes get to chose what weapons they get now

stat wise

[sharp sierra]

what bloody token gear is the go to ?

vers/mast ?

[severe hazel]

cloak belt

vers mast

[sharp sierra]

okay

[spring bough]

Kinda amped to get another tier piece today but I gotta wait like 5 more hours 😭

[stoic spruce]

I gotta wait until wed

[runic trench]

gotta wait until im not shit

never 1600 rip

are you buying gloves this week?

[candid tide]

im almost there 200 more ratings xD

thats like 4x of 6 wins games

[runic trench]

200 rating? in solo shuffle

[candid tide]

then im 1600

[runic trench]

thats like one game going 4-5

[candid tide]

i won a bunch of 5/6 yesterday

stay focus

[runic trench]

i gave up on solo shuffle

wait time too long

just do normal 2s/3s

[candid tide]

idd freaking hell

i mess up in 2s toomuch

[mortal moon]

yo guys is mage on 120 ping cooked? i tried it on fire for a expac and blasting the burst rotation was so delayed man idk if its worth it to keep playing it on this ping

[candid tide]

feel more secured playing 3s with a healer

[runic trench]

i feel like learning to survive in 2s will make me a better 3s player

[candid tide]

thats very true

u learn the perfect syncing ability with ur partner

[lone anvil]

Does rating from blitz, shuffle, and arena unlock gear for us? I'm getting conflicting information from different sources.

On one hand someone told me rating is only good for transmog and mount and achievements.

Someone else told me if you hit 1600 you get a piece of tier

[candid tide]

yes ull get a tier at 1600

[lone anvil]

I hit 1600 in BG blitz. And didn't get tier in my bag or the mail. Does it show up in my great vault?

[candid tide]

weird

[lone anvil]

Where is the tier supposed to come from

[orchid plinth]

You get an item

A blob

[lone anvil]

@orchid plinth how do I get the item

[candid tide]

check pins it stated on that screenshot up top

[lone anvil]

Kk

[lone anvil]

I might be blind but this is the only relevant Info I found in pins

[orchid plinth]

Read this: https://www.wowhead.com/news/mark-of-the-spelunker-supreme-free-tier-piece-from-heroic-nerub-ar-palace-346460

This applies to 1600 rating as well

As seen in the image

Make sure you buy the PvP item if you want the PvP items. There are non-PvP items you can trade for the token you just got!

[lone anvil]

Okay

[potent pivot]

That isn’t even a pin

Pins aren’t the search bar

[lone anvil]

I hit pins, and then the gearing guide, and scrolled down and found that comment

[potent pivot]

Check the picture at the top of the pins lol

[lone anvil]

I didn't use search bar once

Those are the receipts, step by step

[potent pivot]

That’s besides the point

Read the top pin

[severe hazel]

guys can u share a burst sequenze without blades mid fight? you do something like rupture up -> pool cp -> kidney dance?

[potent pivot]

Pretty much

You just have to strike more for combo points during your stuns

[severe hazel]

yeah ok. i see ppl bursting in cheap shot too but i find it hard to get enough globals in without blades

if u cant go cs finisher cs finisher

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0uBe2MDIIg kinda off-topic but this is my dopamine

going full autism in solo ques

[spring bough]

I think I’m one alt and done. Farming honor for gold is too easy lol

[lost quest]

Is there a cap for versatillity?

[celest burrow]

For asssasin if we get rooted, is the only option currently to vanish? I think I remember a talent that let you use spring at some point to break roots? I feel silly sitting there with no break since i am used to my hunter haha. I am brand new to assassin so forgive my ignorance.

I fought one good assassin, he used his stuns and gouge while ensuring to kite and optimize bleeds/poisons. Was what motivated me to give it a shot because it looked fun.

[fading blade]

No more freedom sprint, I wouldn’t use vanish to break a root

[potent pivot]

No, just finishing returns

Usually we don’t go past 30% vers

[fading blade]

Just throw your dagger to build CP while rooted

[potent pivot]

Cloak as well, but it’s usually a waste

[celest burrow]

@fading blade True, but if you are in a BG and get rooted by a trap or something that you didn't see an a crowd of fellers are coming, you will get blown up just sitting it out 🙂

Yep that's a reasonable activity given the circumstances 🙂

Outside of that , the only thing I'd like to see the rogue have is a way to blow people off of cliffs lol. I I do miss that from my hunter haha

[fading blade]

Okay well you didn’t say in what part of the game, very open ended question. Sure, in BG’s I’d still use cloak instead to have the pressure of vanish/meld garrotes

Every situation is different. If you’re gonna get zurged, sure vanish. If it’s just a single dude, I’d prob cloak high to just get rid of the root and any future ice traps

Sin is usually team fighting, ask for a dispel, there you go

[runic trench]

do you guys bind your trinket to a cd?

or do you just save it for blades

its a short cd so i was wondering if i should macro it to symbols

[spring bough]

How much gold yall made off these bloodstones? Think im over 100k 😂

[potent pivot]

That’s what I do

If you run short symbols though you have to be aware of that

[runic trench]

@spring bough theyre like 8k each arnt they?

how much honor have you farmed

[runic trench]

good point

if im holding symbols to line up with my trinket, should i even use the symbols cdr?

[spring bough]

Yeah 8-9k right now. A lot 😂

[runic trench]

im still buying sockets

[spring bough]

Finished those out last week and geared my DK too lol. Def not doing sockets on the DK just gold farming now lol

[runic trench]

was gonna buy a enchant for my weapon

saw it was like 50k

decided a weapon enchant isnt that big of a deal

[severe hazel]

same i just get r2 stuff also

enchants / gems are so insane

[spring bough]

It’ll all come down in a couple weeks

But since most getting weps this week enchants probably going to go up in price for a minute

[finite onyx]

yo, is everyone using ascendance embellishment now, or still duskthread lining?

[nova viper]

Where Panda

[potent pivot]

Mostly Duskthread. Ascendance isn’t terrible but takes 80 seconds to stack and if you drop combat it resets and starts over again.

[potent pivot]

I don’t typically run it, I prefer the energy talent most of the time

I think both are good, but more people have been taking short symbols lately iirc

[runic trench]

good thing we cant drop combat

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[potent pivot]

Yeah until that bug gets fixed and then what

You can still drop combat, just not when rupture is ticking into SF

[tender ember]

most ppl got ascendance and probably more to come since whaz said dusk is dog and he made mistake taking it instead of ascendance xd

[runic trench]

yeah but he plays sin mostly

[potent pivot]

Gotta be honest I don’t care

Ascendance is dog too

[tender ember]

why responding to him then if u dont care xd

[potent pivot]

I’m saying idc what whaazz said

We’re probably going to end up running pve embellishments later anyway

[tender ember]

pve embelish for assa is 2x dawnthread - crit

[potent pivot]

I’m talking about Spark crafted

[tender ember]

crafting sparks in pvp okk

[potent pivot]

[grizzled basin]

never posted a 6-0, but with the most anoying double mage lobby... 😄

[wintry dew]

You legit killed everyone

What a Chad

[orchid plinth]

Worst thing is we actually drop combat - we just enter it 1 second later

[graceful ravine]

im having negative fun playing sub in shuffles

get me outta this mmr

🤡

[spring bough]

Servers up yet or

[sleek belfry]

nah

[runic trench]

sub feels like the only rogue spec

outlaw is warrior with a gun

and sin is like, warlock with daggers

[halcyon timber]

Going to stir the popo pot again

[tawdry imp]

how many of you guys play sub rogue with an MMO mouse? I cannot find a binding setup that feels effortlessly usual in hectic fights

[halcyon timber]

Yeh mmo mouse all day

[runic trench]

i dont use an mmo mouse, just a regular one with 2 side buttons

but you have more than enough like keyboard binds

[tawdry imp]

I want my CC's on quick single buttons so applying a focus modifier doesn't become a three button affair, but then I also need at least four of the offensive buffs to not be keyboard twister to pop mid fight

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i just use mouse buttons for targeting and mounts

[runic trench]

i just use the nahj keybinds

[halcyon timber]

And profession stuff

[runic trench]

why put those on mouse?

[halcyon timber]

Everything fits on keyboard

Bc i can is why

[runic trench]

that seems demented, as i would expect from a rogue player

[halcyon timber]

789 is all i need fir targets

[runic trench]

i use mouse wheel for targets

[halcyon timber]

6 sap

[dapper chasm]

when do we get a second catalyst thingy?

[halcyon timber]

This wk i think

[dapper chasm]

catalyst catalyst, if you will

[runic trench]

im pretty sure catalyst charge is every 2nd week

[visual fern]

hey guys id like to do some pvp with my rog , what spec would you recommend for pvp? i play mainly assa but id say i can play all specs equally , but never or not that much pvp

[dapper chasm]

so dumb, just let me stab people at max power

[halcyon timber]

56 for two diff saps and stealth

[kind quartz]

But made of paper and no big damage bursts that gut healers

[visual fern]

is assa worth starting pvp with?

[halcyon timber]

Yes

[kind quartz]

Yes

[runic trench]

play whatever you find enjoyable

[halcyon timber]

All 3 rogues are solid

[kind quartz]

Sin slaps

[dapper chasm]

real men play sub - but you do you

[kind quartz]

Sub smells

Spit spit

[dapper chasm]

your face smells

[visual fern]

yeh like i said i mostly play assa , but tought sub could be "better" or easier? for pvp

[runic trench]

only people that insult sub are outlaw players

[dapper chasm]

it's better at proper skill levels

[halcyon timber]

Easy is subjective. Do what you love doing man

[kind quartz]

Sub is the turbo giga nuke stabber

[runic trench]

theyre all hard

[dapper chasm]

Sub is the gentleman's choice

[runic trench]

its better to grind something you love

than grind something you hate

[halcyon timber]

Rogue life isn’t going to be “easy” regardless of who says what

You’re the point guard on the team

[kind quartz]

Rogue life is about making people angry

[visual fern]

id say im a good rogue 😅 not in pvp tough

[runic trench]

like after reset im gonna spend my 2 weapons on outlaw weapons

[kind quartz]

And that takes work

[runic trench]

to give it a try

[dapper chasm]

Assa is more in the game to hit the teenage girl demographic

[halcyon timber]

Plates are dumb dumb power forwards who just think about dunking

[halcyon timber]

Disregard the tom foolery and have fun

[runic trench]

@visual fern i also switched from m+ to pvp

[dapper chasm]

"Gonna play a game - better disregard any Tom Foolery"

[runic trench]

and realised its a comptelety different gameplay loop

[halcyon timber]

Yeah Z, he can enjoy what he wants

[tawdry imp]

i was told I could just one shot anyone in a single cheap shot then vanish and I was lied to

[halcyon timber]

Hard concept surely

[dapper chasm]

No, he must enjoy what I enjoy

[tawdry imp]

where's the instakill button

[halcyon timber]

Heh

[runic trench]

me vs rogue: oneshot in opener

[halcyon timber]

Evoker engulf

[runic trench]

me playing rogue: oneshot in my opener

[dapper chasm]

Trink-180-Gouge

[halcyon timber]

XD

[tribal badger]

sub is a weeb spec and anyone who tells u otherwise is coping

shuriken ninja naruto lookin ass

let me just use my secret technique

[runic trench]

how about you secret technique: touch grass

[steep kiln]

We got the Yangtze river pirates, Ghost Valley killers and the mighty Tang clan to choose from. Seemsgood

[dapper chasm]

Sorry for not replying, I was too busy winning

Instead of whining

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-leonardo-dicaprio-django-unchained-meme-gif-18513725

[tribal badger]

sorry just need to make sure sub players heads dont get too big because they always feel like they r playing the 5D chess gigachad skill ceiling spec but at the end of the day ur just the kid in gym class who naruto ran during frisbee unit

[runic trench]

wtf is a frisbee unit

[tribal badger]

we threw the frisbee around the field and our teachers called it excercise

😏

[runic trench]

ah

[tribal badger]

i think we were supposed to be playing ultimate frisbee

usually takes a bit more organization effort then the gym teachers put in tho

[sleek belfry]

when the pe teachers were hungover

[tribal badger]

mhm

[celest burrow]

I like the playstyle of ass in 1v1s and world, hit and run and let them worry about getting you while they die to bleeds/poisons.

[steep kiln]

That's messed up. Gotta put them down humanely quick and minimal pain

[surreal barn]

But then you get taken out of stealth

And can’t mount up to flee cause your ass is in combat

[spring bough]

What time did they extend this bs till lol

[kind quartz]

another 2h from now

[spring bough]

🪦

Changing conquest wep quest broke the game 😂

[potent pivot]

It takes getting used to. You’ve gotta play with it for a few months. Once you’re used to it, it’s insane

Some people use them for their basic rotation, like pikaboo I think

I use mine mostly for cc and defensives because I can press them with a good reaction time, but don’t like spamming them like with regular rotation abilities

[halcyon timber]

Yeah easy to prime keyboard hand for another thing vs mouse for atks is nice

[celest burrow]

I am scared for when my 3 g600 mouses stop working lol since they discontinued it for some reason haha

[potent pivot]

Yeah mine stopped working recently

Naga is a good replacement though

[steep kiln]

I ended up getting the steelseries one not long ago cuz i got long thumbs. After a few weeks it's def a gamechanger, highly recommend getting an mmo mouse for rogue

[surreal barn]

Interesting

[potent pivot]

That’ll be the next one I try out

[surreal barn]

I’m opposite, have defensives on my left keyboard hand

[celest burrow]

I might get the EVGA one that has the equivalent of the gshift which I have used as an ALT key. Losing that would be horrible lol

[surreal barn]

Wait WHAT? they have something like the g600???

[spring bough]

Every time I decide to WFH on maintenance day blizz always bones me 😂

[surreal barn]

Omg they do

[steep kiln]

Ya evga has one. Corsair and some others have a few MOBA mouses with 6 buttons If 12 is too many for you

[surreal barn]

Holy fuck I’m ordering it now

[celest burrow]

https://www.amazon.ca/EVGA-X15-Customizable-Ergonomic-904-W1-15BK-KR/dp/B09CRN2BMS

[surreal barn]

Just bought it 😂

[celest burrow]

LOL 🙂

[surreal barn]

I’ve looked so long for a third click gaming mouse

Outside the g600

[celest burrow]

I love my g600 but now its only available for expensive resales and such, not sure why logitech didn't refresh it or create a new version.

[surreal barn]

Right???

It’s my shadowstep

It’s my focus step too

[celest burrow]

Right hard to lose it 🙂

[potent pivot]

that side button layout looks really weird

but hmm

[surreal barn]

Best part is that middle button is slice and dice for me

Which we won’t have to press anymore lol

[potent pivot]

mine is kick

not sure how i feel about the two side buttons next to left click either

[steep kiln]

My keyboard pinky started to hurt cuz of Poe and all the ctrl + shift binds in wow. Was huge for that

[celest burrow]

@surreal barn PM when you get it and set it up and let me know how it feels compared to your g600 so I can prepare for the worst haha

[surreal barn]

😂

will do

If it sucks I’ll return it

[orchid plinth]

Anyone used the new Wireless Corsair Scimitar MMO mouse? Looks neat.

[surreal barn]

Same price as the overpriced g600s atm

[potent pivot]

i hate the feel of that one

[steep kiln]

I tried the wireless corsair but it was a bit short for me. + I use 1-3-1 mousegrip and it felt bad with that

[orchid plinth]

Every mmo mouse feels fucking garbage compare to good mice but... buttons. I don't use one right now but been thinking of it.

[potent pivot]

naga's feel nice

the steelseries also feels nice

[orchid plinth]

Naga is heavy, bulky, has that dumb side finger rest

[potent pivot]

the steelseries button position might not work for everyone though

[steep kiln]

Check out the corsair Darkstar. Seems like an in-between if you don't want to fully commit to mmo mouse

[orchid plinth]

It's the opposite of my Lamzu Atlantis

[potent pivot]

dumb

when you're using pressure from your thumb to press buttons, the extra finger rest comes in handy

[orchid plinth]

I feel like people who use MMO mice also use higher DPI...?

[surreal barn]

6 month ship time

[potent pivot]

that's just personal preference

[surreal barn]

What the fuck?

[potent pivot]

i use like 1200dpi i think

[steep kiln]

The first step is admitting you have a problem. 800 dpi still

[surreal barn]

I have 3 of your mice

[celest burrow]

@surreal barn 6 months to ship the EVGA ?

[surreal barn]

Mx master 3 is the goat for excel fyi

[worthy crag]

now ppl be talkin about dpi

[steep kiln]

Current roster + mmo mouse. Swap between them pretty frequently

[pliant mauve]

If you’re not hitting 2200 with this why even play

[orchid plinth]

800 dpi gang

[surreal barn]

Yeah noticed it was a third party seller

[celest burrow]

Oh geez lol

[potent pivot]

i don't think dpi matters in MMOs

[surreal barn]

@dapper chasm uses this

[celest burrow]

Yeah it's sold out on amazon.ca also

[potent pivot]

just personal pref

[spring bough]

Razer with the two mouse buttons all I have and need

[stoic spruce]

Yall want to hear a hot take?

[orchid plinth]

Nah

[surreal barn]

Nope

[stoic spruce]

Too bad

[celest burrow]

Ca you in Canada or US ?

[steep kiln]

The viperv3? Prob my most used besides the endgame xm2we

[stoic spruce]

I think SoD rogue is more interesting than retail rogue

[spring bough]

Yeah I think that’s the one. It’s the white one I use

[celest burrow]

Darn it seems harder to get than the overpriced g600 lol

[steep kiln]

It's so light and crisp. Just feels good

[spring bough]

NGL sod rogue pumps

[stoic spruce]

It's very fun

[spring bough]

And what’s DR lol

Classic no DR on pvp is so OP for rogue

[steep kiln]

G600 is like 150+ for a refurbished one 💀

[surreal barn]

Is a sod rogue like

One that works in landscaping

[worthy crag]

Did most ppl here even play sod?

[stoic spruce]

I'm not even bringing up the fact it can tank

[spring bough]

Season of discovery. So it has retail abilities in classic wow lol

[surreal barn]

Ah.

[orchid plinth]

I did to level 21

[spring bough]

Like vanilla rogue has mutilate and all that now

[stoic spruce]

Also has new abilities

[spring bough]

Insane bleed and poison damage in sod

[stoic spruce]

Combat has old Between the Eyes

[spring bough]

Combat swords has a bleed dot in sod lol

[worthy crag]

Usually things are more interesting when they dont have to care about balancing

[pliant mauve]

I don’t get how you people aren’t fat fingering everything with these mice. It looks like you’re playing on a 90’s cordless house phone.

[stoic spruce]

Yknow

I wonder how many people that have been playing the game for so long actually care about balance.

[spring bough]

I don’t I just wanna blast

[stoic spruce]

I mean, I've been playing since vanilla and I don't care in the slightest

[pliant mauve]

I only care about balance when it’s tilted away from me.

[celest burrow]

@pliant mauve You learn to optimize and not use certain buttons for certain things. I do 100% understand that those that have never done it would see it as being a challenge.

[dapper chasm]

I only use 2 side buttons, not 4

[spring bough]

Same lol

[worthy crag]

They think they dont, and romanticize over wrath pvp and look what happened in classic wrath arenas

[dapper chasm]

It's called being a purist, darling

[stoic spruce]

Everyone's most fondest memories of WoW are when it's unbalanced.

[worthy crag]

uh lol

idk about that one

[spring bough]

I loved stun locking and killing people with ambush and backstab lol

[steep kiln]

The first 2 weeks on an mmo mouse is awkward for sure. Just gotta put in the reps

[spring bough]

Dead before they could even do anything 😂

[stoic spruce]

I've never heard someone tell me their favorite memory of wow and it not involve something being overpowered

Not once

An exaggeration*

[steep kiln]

Idk about favorite but full gushing wounds with Cara daggers was pretty enjoyable

[stoic spruce]

Unless it's like mount collecting

[worthy crag]

Idk, seems like a generalization and exaggeration

[stoic spruce]

It is not

[sharp sierra]

Nobody cared about miceat that time

real goat

[stoic spruce]

You can test it out right now

[stoic spruce]

What a chad

[sharp sierra]

i can hear the clack noise

in my brain

[halcyon timber]

People that only care when they’re not at the top so little propaganda cults pop up in resistance

Ex the bm hunters

[steep kiln]

Microsoft Habu still works well. One of these will make me good again at fps I'm sure

[worthy crag]

By that logic we should petition blizzard to rotate one OP class every season so that class can have a blast once in every 13 season

and pretend like everyone is having fun and not caring about balance

[halcyon timber]

F the “just let me be op” logic

[worthy crag]

Theyd play that one season, quit the rest, and reminiesce 5 yrs later about how it was the best time to play wow

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[worthy crag]

rose tinted glass is just bs in general

[halcyon timber]

“Hasn’t been good since wrath”

Paladins and sheet

[orchid plinth]

Rav have you tried Lamzu? My favorite by far nowadays. But I have some problem with hand sweat ( ) but their coating is fucking goated.

[sharp sierra]

you know when people try to play cs when he buy a zowie

[spring bough]

How is it whenever you work from home and go do something is when the calls or emails come thru

[potent pivot]

or the internet fucks up when it's time for meetings

[steep kiln]

Zowie was great cuz the Lan I would play at didn't allow software

[orchid plinth]

The Zowie coating is really bad for me, I got cramps from playing with it when I had one.

Feels like trying to play with lubed up toy

[sharp sierra]

they are great mouses, but where i live they are expensive as fuck

[orchid plinth]

Good mice though they really moved the marked forward

[worthy crag]

anyone help me find the comprehensive changes coming with the reset

hard to google for them when alot of results are rwf tunings or datamines

[candid tide]

which one is ur fav

[orchid plinth]

FROST MAGE NEEEERF

[candid tide]

i dont struggle vs frost mage atleast not at 1400 shuffle

[spring bough]

Yup. Like when I needed to vpn to the office this morning to do something and it was temporarily offline for two hours

[worthy crag]

Rogues have a better chance

If I see a ret and fmage in the same shuffle lobby i just giggle at the poor bastard

me freedom, me spellstolen

[potent pivot]

apparently the fmage nerf is somewhat impactful but they still have the same mobility/slows'

[steep kiln]

Old Razer imperator or zowie fk1, new Razer viperv3 or endgame xm2we. Swap between those 2 often

[orchid plinth]

If you like Ambidextrous you should try Lamzu Atlantis I swear I am not paid by them but it's great

[candid tide]

im looking for a palm grip i think next

superlight x is a bit finger grip

[orchid plinth]

I used the FK when it was a yellow scroll wheel on it

[steep kiln]

Lamzu is on my wishlist whenever they go on sale

[orchid plinth]

I have medium sized hands and use the Atlantis Mini, great for
claw and fingertip

[steep kiln]

Palm grip I'd try the endgame xm2, op18k or the viperv3 just works for all grips

[orchid plinth]

Maybe that's why I don't get used to MMO mice quickly: I don't palm grip

[steep kiln]

I got use to 1-3-1 palm from quake days. Always on mouse scroll

[orchid plinth]

Sweaty hands + Palm grip = hard to lift and readjust mouse quickly

Ambidextrous mice has that V shape which makes it very effortless to lift up which is why I prefer them

[steep kiln]

There's so many good mice out there these days. Tons of smaller companies mainly not logitech/razer etc make great mice just not in big box stores. Then you got CN clones of all the popular shapes for a fraction of the price

[stoic spruce]

I bought a Chinese mouse and it was the best mouse ever

I didn't know it was Chinese until it came in the mail

[steep kiln]

They usually have a goofy name in my experience. "Attack shark" "Dragons breath" something like this. But ya they work great

[orchid plinth]

Next topic: mousepads. I use a Artisan FX Hayate Otsu Medium XL

Thats a mouthful

[steep kiln]

Raiden mid. fast af, closest thing to a glass or plastic hard pad. Other than that used a Steelseries heavy for quite awhile in the past

[halcyon timber]

Jolly rancher c4 is deadly af btw

Popo

[steep kiln]

Think if you play fps a lot or are trying to get good mousepad is the most important peripheral, but that's just my opinion. for wow pvp though not a big deal

[stoic spruce]

If I weren't penny pinching atm I'd try it lol

[spring bough]

Razer Stan for life

[steep kiln]

lot of razer haters out there. think back in the days they had some QC issues but didn't everyone? I always assume the people that say they had to replace it 3-4 times are ragers that slam there shit all the time

[indigo hill]

Were ferals getting a nerf this week?

[steep kiln]

hopefully them and dragons can kick rocks

[sleek belfry]

I hope they makes some changes to blitz mm, comp wise and mmr gain wise

that moment when your wsg team has 2 disc priests, no rogues, no dks vs dragon, mw, rogue, dk, dh etc

[indigo hill]

I think a few specs need a nerf and it will be prett balanced. Mostly feral, frost mage, mm hunter, dev evoker and fury war.

[spring bough]

Feels so bad. Or when your 1900 rating in a game with 1200 rateds lol

[sleek belfry]

yeah lol

rip your rating

[spring bough]

Going from 1900mmr games to 1500 to 2200

All in the span of three games

😂

Win or lose flip a coin no idea where it’s going

[halcyon timber]

Shift in damage from bite to bleeds. I think it was 15%

[halcyon timber]

Worth it man

Same w frost mage, it was a shift from lance to more punch on spike and frostbolts iirc

[lost quest]

Rets also

[lone anvil]

Are rets over-performing or are they just a counter to rogues to make it seem that way

Genuine question

I know rets are good for BGs and shuffle. But I haventt heard of any meta 2v2 teams with ret

[spring bough]

We back online

[lone anvil]

Hunter definitely needs a nerf. Fury warrior has been nerfed quite a bit and isn't nearly as oppressive IMO. in fact arms is actually probably slightly better than fury ATM

[spring bough]

Pve four set complete 🙌

Can get hero level tier from delves if yall doing them lol

[lone anvil]

I've been doing delves for the vault rewards

But the tier in my vault rewards is PvE not PvP

[spring bough]

Ew catalyst removes your gems from sockets 🤮

[lone anvil]

Grossssssss

[potent pivot]

Just take the gems out lol

[spring bough]

Too late didn’t know lol. You can unsocket gems??

Sparks is Azj this week. Two PvP quests there too

Azj world PvP is nuts rn. Over 100 people in the phase I’m in battling it out

[potent pivot]

pretty sure lol

just open the socket window and drag it to bags

idk i haven't had to switch gems in ages

[lone anvil]

So I think I'm going to have 3 pieces of the tier for PvP and then I have 1 additional tier piece that's PvE.

Would it be better to get the 4 piece bonus and rock a PvE piece even though the item level is lower and it doesn't scale as high

Or do I wanna rock 3 pieces of tier and max iLvl

[potent pivot]

depends on the ilvl of the 4th piece

[spring bough]

Def can’t drag a gem that’s socketed into bags. Maybe there’s an item that unsockets it like the tinker one

Looks like the only item that can require 150 Kul tiran jewel crafting. Only way to replace a socketed gem is with a new one

[lone anvil]

I think it's like 603

[candid tide]

weird, invigorating dust should reduce rogue cds by 30 sec

but when use a vanish after a kidney

the kidney has 5-6 sec remaining cd left

[keen warren]

I think it's like 22.5s in pvp

[tribal badger]

shadowdust has a 75% pvp modifier last i checked

so 75% of that cdr ye

[harsh steppe]

GOOD LUCK ON VAULT

[jolly sierra]

vault isnt pvp anymore xd

[harsh steppe]

oh right fuck

well good luck anyways

[spring bough]

Skirmish the weekly…. God I hate these. This DK died in 10 seconds and my healer yelling at me because I didn’t blind their healer lol

Like that woulda helped. DK was gone the second this rogue dropped smoke. So wild

[tawdry imp]

has the dust settled on gearing, is there some rough agreement on what to get now?

[jolly sierra]

i had a blood dk and told him match was already lost when he asked for a target

we both an opponent and me died, so was a feral vs the dk

fkn tanks trolling the matches

i left, cuz the feral was just pillar hugging the dk

[spring bough]

Weird. In a 3s skirm. Enemy team has healer prot pal and dps

So how is this not possible in solo

[jolly sierra]

thought protadins were considered healers in pvp

for arena

[tribal badger]

pretty sure thats only in pvp that blizzard cares about (rated)

in random bgs and skirms and stuff tanks just count as dps

at least thats what i always thought

they certainly dont count towards ur healer cap in bgs or brawls

cant u queue skirms as a premade

they probably did it as a premade

[potent pivot]

i mean the only thing that remains debatable is whether or not we use engi goggles with tier gloves or if we use tier helm

everything else is already set

[jolly sierra]

i hate premades in bgs

[keen warren]

Are we just out of luck if we happened to have crafted weapons?

[tawdry imp]

perfect, I can ctrl+c

[vague comet]

@potent pivot yo which wep are we getting for assa?

[spring bough]

Can you do at target on emotes?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[lone anvil]

I tried checking the gearing guide and didn't see anything.

Do I have to use my catalyst on conquest gear or can I use it on bloody tokens gear

[stoic spruce]

That's how my /e spit emote works

[spring bough]

Spit is about to make a comeback with how this pvp going today

[potent pivot]

just buy the crit dagger

craft mastery dagger after your fully geared

[vague comet]

wait dont i get 2?

[wintry dew]

you get 2 tokens afaik

[spring bough]

I’m convinced unseen blade got secretly fixed again

[potent pivot]

ye but you buy 2 of the same dagger

[spring bough]

First lobby of solo

[potent pivot]

if u only play sin/sub

[spring bough]

It did 10% of my dmg

[vague comet]

do we not get fist cuz its slow?

[potent pivot]

assa can't use them period but yea slow offhand is really bad

[vague comet]

got ya

[lone anvil]

If I'm understanding right. The bloody tokens gear has lower item level than the conquest gear and is more replaceable.

So if anyone can verify if the bloody token gear can be upgraded to tier with the catalyst.

It might be better from a temporary min max standpoint to upgrade bloody pieces, unless I have something wrong

[devout jolt]

I've yet to Catalyze anything, would I be correct to look at Conq Shoulders and Conq Chest for that due to the Vers present on the Set Pieces in those slots?

[spring bough]

Unseen blades def got buffed

[lime oar]

Trickster def the move for blitz for sap range alone

[spring bough]

I got 24 unseen blades in one lobby. 19 in another

When I would get like 12-16 a lobby last week

26 in another

[graceful ravine]

does the aoe ability from trickster break cc for sub rogues?

[lime oar]

That was my next question

[vague comet]

do I just get 1 dagger and craft one? (would need to buy extra 3 badges)

or should i get everything else first

with conq

[potent pivot]

prolly everything else first

[potent pivot]

you would never catalyst bloody token gear no

[potent pivot]

yes

trickster's cleave does break cc

[jolly sierra]

i did it for DF

to save conquest

kek

[quasi raptor]

Im trying to figure out these targeting macros currently and im a little stumped as to how to proceed with them.
Is just having a separate bind to target arena 1, 2 and 3 enough? For instance, I could keybind arena 1 to middle mouse button, arena 2 to mouse wheel down, and arena 3 to mouse wheel up.
Or, is it completely necessary to have a separate macro for each ability doing this same thing? I could personally see how if min-maxxed, this would be the most optimal but it also severely overcomplicates this process for the sake of micro seconds.
Could anyone help clarify the best path to go with these target macros?

[celest burrow]

is the pvp quest in your quest log gone now and will just get something in the mail ?

[spring bough]

unseen didnt to this once all last week. this was a 2minute long lobby. 4 KS for 4.1 mil so a little over 1 million an average for it, got CCd in it a lot

i was just in caster hell lol

[potent pivot]

you just want focus binds for CC

so you're not having to /tar arena1 -> kidney every time you want to cc

etc

[potent pivot]

the quest is gone yes. don't know about the mail

[quasi raptor]

That's what I figured at first, but my buddy was trying to tell me otherwise lmao. That seems 10x simpler.

[potent pivot]

i use both

i have focus arena1/2/3 target arena1/2/3 but i also have focus of all of my CC and step-kick etc

general 1/2/3 targeting is better used to swap target your dpsing etc

but actual cc/interrupts should have focus binds so you're not pressing 2 binds for 1 ability

[quasi raptor]

Appreciate the input. Ill take it easy then at first and just worry about making focus binds instead for all my CC.

[potent pivot]

imo that's more important to learn than arena1/2/3

[spring bough]

So you still have to buy weps they don’t give two free? Lol

Oh they mail you two tokens

Should I cop some dags for fun 😂

[lime oar]

I’m coppin outlaw weapons

How fucked am I on outlaw in my sub mastery gear @spring bough

[spring bough]

I think you should be fine you’re just gonna be doing some big MGs lol

[lone anvil]

Could I get the explanation as to why that's a bad idea. Just for my understanding

[worthy crag]

itll scale up to bloody token ilvl

[spring bough]

Cause you get one every two weeks. Why use it on 636 when you can use it in 639 gear you’ll never replace

[lone anvil]

That's what I was wondering cause I'd they both scaled to 639 it would be a no brainer to use bloody

[spring bough]

Bloody token only 636 unfortunately

[lone anvil]

I understand now

[spring bough]

I used tokens on pants last week since I’m not going tier there and it’s a big slot I’ll upgrade down the line

[lone anvil]

Makes sense

I love pants

[spring bough]

Fully convinced unseen was buffed

Hit this DK and it was my top dmg on him for one of the rounds lol

Also getting 120k MG crits and only have 25% mastery

[potent pivot]

pets

[spring bough]

I said DK lol

In the details on the DK

Unseen was my top dmg to solely him

5.5 mil

Did like 49 mil overall to him

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Back to over 1900 lol

5-1D this lock dk frost mage lobby

brother got smoked

23 unseen blades in one lobby

[mystic pawn]

Stats for the free pvp daggers are pretty trash.. What's the recommendation for sub?

Or even assas...?

[potent pivot]

use them until fully geared

later on with excess conquest we can craft better ones

[mystic pawn]

Ok thanks. I've seen ppl use the mace in off hand for stats, is that worth?

[potent pivot]

nah not worth

[spring bough]

My favorite in blitz is when EFC runs away from their two CCd healers and gets smashed

[pliant mauve]

I’m kind of jealous of pve players and their vaults, and sims, and whatnot. It’s kind of boring logging in for like marginal conquest upgrades and 2 bloody tokens.

[halcyon timber]

Fk the sims

[pliant mauve]

I’m just saying it’s more engaging since they have more shit to do.

[halcyon timber]

Pvp is dynamic

[pliant mauve]

Sometimes… sometimes it’s just exhausting.

[halcyon timber]

Dunno i can haunt the frick out of 5 dudes for hours and have fun

Fun is subjective yeah

But def make my own fun

[pliant mauve]

Yeah I don’t really f with pve. I just think Tuesday’s are more fulfilling for them.

[halcyon timber]

Pve is cool but, its good things are dynamic and people can pick what they like and do

[pliant mauve]

In a lottery sort of way

Like this week I’ll be capped at 700 conq. Not much is probably going to change.

[halcyon timber]

Devs did a good job

Yeah, doing a bunch of different pvp is solid

And the dudes who fall behind can catch up

Just the monkeys in the middle trying to meter maid it make stuff frustrating

[dull bridge]

what i hate about pvp gearing is i cant play 2 specs on the same character if they dont want the same stats

[potent pivot]

you can lol

it's not that big of a deal

[worthy crag]

Thats gearing in general, not pvp gearing

[dull bridge]

yeah im sure youd have a fucking amazing time playing full mastery shadow priest

[halcyon timber]

Someone prob does

[potent pivot]

i think you'd be surprised :d

but playing casters without the right amount of haste is kinda oof

[halcyon timber]

If it is fun to them and it works for them then yep

[lost quest]

Mate so do you recommend Trickster rather than Fatebound? If so than why? Please? Legit question

[halcyon timber]

Noticed fire elementals are shooting fireballs halfway through their cast stopping stealth today too

Dunno if new talents for them recently when ele was changed or what but weird for sure

[spring bough]

No comment on a rec but I have more fun with trickster that’s for sure. Changes my rotation from all that same DF nonsense

It feels different today

From cloth to plate unseen doing my top dmg on whatever dps I focus

Not overall on my dmg but to that specific player it is. Feels kinda nasty

[halcyon timber]

Dunno seems the same dmg as before

Nothing crazy

[spring bough]

This lock ate it here. Unseen popped off again

[halcyon timber]

Just seems that thousand cuts is resetting normally now

[spring bough]

It’s been doing that for weeks

Something feels diff today shit I had 26 unseen hits in the one round

[dull bridge]

was it bugged before?

[halcyon timber]

Seemed fine, wouldn’t call it a bug

[spring bough]

It was for like the first week of launch then they fixed it. Auto attacks reset unseen cooldown now

[halcyon timber]

Just sometimes procs decently and sometimes not

Tc that is

[spring bough]

Every lobby I’ve had today it’s gone for 16+

[halcyon timber]

Nothing changed drastically other than prob some undocumented change

[spring bough]

Last week it was anywhere from 8-12 a lobby it felt like. I think my peak last week was 19 in one

[halcyon timber]

Well yeah outlaw is like 80+% snd speed

And stuff yeah?

[spring bough]

My attack speed does get to sub 0.80 seconds

[dull bridge]

putting the melee back in melee

pog

[halcyon timber]

More speed = more chances to proc resets

So makes sense for you

[spring bough]

Melee dmg for me usually top 5 lol

[dull bridge]

stuff like this is usually normalized to a fixed proc rate

(which is stupid imo)

[halcyon timber]

Yeah so likely has an ICD

Devs will catch it

Well they don’t want cdg to unnaturally roll so that is a good thing

Just nice when you can slap someone with a hard UB

Im a big advocate for it

[spring bough]

There is nothing wrong with thousand cuts resetting unseen that’s intended

[halcyon timber]

People can do what they want, im not getting in their way

[spring bough]

So it can reset infinite times

Just depends on auto attacks

I’m also at 28% haste unbuffed in stealth lol

[dull bridge]

not the same thing as icd. if you proc it more youll have less chance to proc so it averages to 4 ppm regardless of your aspd

[spring bough]

Icd is 20 seconds. Thousand cuts resets that ICD

[dull bridge]

im talking about the TC reset.

[spring bough]

There isn’t an ICD on that is there don’t think there is?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah ub hits multi targets too ie pets and other crap

But only counts for 1 stack

Ub is 20sec

Ks / st ignore the cd for next two hits

To force a cdg to come out which lines up w othet stuff like how DS do their marks etc

Nothing nutso

[spring bough]

I spam KS every time it’s up

Probably why I get so many

[halcyon timber]

Yes

Big fan of cloud cover too

Fakes jokers out

[spring bough]

So I’m at GM. “One inc, two inc PEEL” and this Druid says STFU with the useless comms

Bros 1500 in a 2k mmr game. Love it

[halcyon timber]

Druid can shit in his hand

[spring bough]

It’s so cringe lol

Bro went “spin base instead” like wtf you think I’m doing

[halcyon timber]

Ferals get a damage increase from strafe spamming

[topaz bobcat]

is outlaw op again

[potent pivot]

nah

[topaz bobcat]

too late to buy radiant power enchant for decent price? price already must be high

[spring bough]

so mage and MM

cant stop an ele

[lyric onyx]

BetterBlizzFrames is confusing me so much :’)

Trying to transition from tidyplates I think I’m dumb

[spring bough]

love a good EOTS "we gonna get both bases then go flag. split X here and X there"

and then the 1 person or 2 going mid losing the game for the team lol

[topaz bobcat]

ww is disgusting ngl

[jolly sierra]

haha fkn dhs succ cocc

[vocal terrace]

got 2600 conquest, but no achieve. tried reloading. am i missing something?

[glacial aurora]

check ur mailbox maybe

i have 700 conquest rn, what should i buy from vendor? I have shoulders and pants

and a couple pieces of bloody token gear like gloves and belt

[vocal terrace]

yeah no mail. assuming ill get it when the achievement registers

[spring bough]

Absolutely torquing lobbies tonight lol

overall on a 5-1 lobby. unseen always in the top 3 tn lol

[odd yew]

Kinda forgot to ask but who streams rogue pvp? I obviously know pikaboo, are there any you'd recommend?

[topaz bobcat]

this image has been saved on my computer

but getting outdpsed by dk

dunno