pvp

[jolly sierra]

game felt alive in that moment

[dapper chasm]

I didn't play the modern xpacs

[jolly sierra]

after years

[north acorn]

i miss tbc and wotlk

classic wotlk sucked so bad

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, I wouldn't farm sons of hodir again for shit

[jolly sierra]

my brother farmed 25hc like crazy in classic

[candid tide]

miss for nostalgia maybe, but def not want to play tbc gameplay again lol

[jolly sierra]

and i still find funny than ppl from my irl envirioment were so hyped about wotlk classic

[potent pivot]

i wonder if they're going to keep going with classic mop/legion etc

feels like too much ngl

[jolly sierra]

expecting they same experience as back in the day

[north acorn]

classic just has the inherent problem of being introduced on the last patch of the given xpac, so you miss out on a shitload of different metas and comps and viability and instead just have whatever was good at the end/on pservers

and for me, that kinda kills it

[pale storm]

Yeah, was so stale

[jolly sierra]

i think most of my hate towards wotlk was the overrating most ppl gives to it

[dapper chasm]

I got achievements older than my marriage and kids combined

I feel like a success at life

Thanks to WoW

[jolly sierra]

the most boring thing about classic is u had all spoiled

except for sod

[jolly sierra]

while they skips SL its ok tho lol

[pale storm]

Having to raid, plus vanish breaking to air and stale metas made wotlk so boring imo

[dapper chasm]

btw, can you still get the Scarab Lord title now-a-days? Always regreted missing it due to laziness and refusing to pay for server transfers

[jolly sierra]

no

[dapper chasm]

Fuck

I had like 4 chances too

[jolly sierra]

wait better

No.

[dapper chasm]

So they dont make new servers now, or it no longer works?

[potent pivot]

you can

in your heart

[dapper chasm]

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDD

long response

[potent pivot]

Scarab Lord Zanaken

[jolly sierra]

all AQ gates by default were opened after LK

and every new server by default had them opened

[potent pivot]

if they do mop/legion classic, i might have to play them...

[jolly sierra]

tbh

ill play legion classic

[dapper chasm]

I remember thinking when people were server hopping to get it "No point, everyone and their mum will have it soon anyway - I'll save my £9 server transfer fee"

[north acorn]

except those funny servers they created at the very start of wotlk to ease population problems in mega servers :) those had the gates closed and a bunch of 2009 scarab lords were born

[surreal barn]

@potent pivot are you running deadly as assa ds

[dapper chasm]

I spent that £9 on drugs, illegal drugs - I should have chosen WoW

[jolly sierra]

in those days u had outdoor free for all pvp zones w artifacts hitting by millions

[potent pivot]

poison? no. only to meme with spatter sometimes.

[dapper chasm]

IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME

[orchid plinth]

my "im old" - didn't get futher because I was 15

[jolly sierra]

u had val'sharah arena where u had to jump to the scenario and fight constantly

[potent pivot]

i don't have any of my old achievements from tbc/wrath etc

had to make a new acc when i came back in SL

[jolly sierra]

i used to troll ppl a lot there cuz i was WW monk in that date and tped away to the seats so ran away when i was outnumbered lol

[dapper chasm]

Make sure to get your back checked, bro

[dapper chasm]

Faker - don't believe you

Not true OG

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

ye that was the reason i said "after wotlk" ppl exploited it lol

[potent pivot]

they're still there - on my brothers account

[dapper chasm]

Brother true OG - you a faker

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

i was unable to give my brother his old char back F

but i have his mimiron head into my acc alongside his onyxian drake lol

[dapper chasm]

Don't have the heart to delete the characters my baby sister made back then

[jolly sierra]

wtf is that

[dapper chasm]

Some fucked up screengrab

[jolly sierra]

the heck

[surreal barn]

CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwbMjZmxMzyMAAAAAAMbzY2mBAAAAAgW2GmBGjZmZZMYmxMzMzMjZYZbZMYwmZZgBsEsMMBGWGA

caustic splatter is kinda nutty with this

[dapper chasm]

windows key+shift+S let me down

[jolly sierra]

i was about to buy a CM wep arsenal for his char rdy for the transfer

[dapper chasm]

Anyway, it's some low level hunter and druid

But now she's all grown up and living her life - but I can't delete that

[jolly sierra]

then blizzard said that was illegal and i could be banned if i would be unlucky

[dapper chasm]

It's a reminder of mah baby sis

[potent pivot]

yeah i run something similar when memeing in blitz team fights, but i take KB and no ER usually

[jolly sierra]

what if you just backup those files?

so u dont delete anything

[north acorn]

i wish they made r1 titles acc wide

[potent pivot]

not sure how i'd feel about that one

[hot ermine]

I have 1600/1900 season max for bloody tokens and the sparks quest to hand in giving 1k tokens. Do i hand it in now or wait til reset?

[surreal barn]

The er let’s you splatter all those envenoms super fast

[potent pivot]

it's a weekly so i think it clears if you don't hand it in

[north acorn]

gladiator and famed slayer is so meh

[hot ermine]

ah right thanks

[jolly sierra]

tbh

[potent pivot]

yeah i don't doubt that it works

[surreal barn]

Kingsbane makes much more sense

Will try it in this queue pop

[potent pivot]

i just dislike ER for assa

[jolly sierra]

i would wish to stop farming duelist title every season

[surreal barn]

I don’t think anyone likes it as a skill

Seems very un rogue like

[jolly sierra]

dude why u dont let me keep it after 5 duelist titles in a row

REEEEEE

[north acorn]

didnt they make it so enchant is at 1950 now

[potent pivot]

ya

[jolly sierra]

ye

[north acorn]

🤔

[potent pivot]

probably just an excuse to give us more dogshit illusions

[jolly sierra]

nah

[north acorn]

but duelist is still 2100 no

[jolly sierra]

illusions were bad

even before that change

remember our chat days ago

[potent pivot]

yeah but now with a lower requirement

they "don't need to be good"

[jolly sierra]

w fkn bronze and verdant

[potent pivot]

ofc

[north acorn]

shadowflame was good imo

[potent pivot]

and everyone complains

so instead of making good illusions, they lowered the req

[jolly sierra]

shadowflame was the best one overall

[north acorn]

nothing compare to the mop/wod ones for me but some of the modern wow ones are ok

dreadflame is rly cool wish i got it

[jolly sierra]

its like they did shrek 2 then started rotting after the third

[potent pivot]

tyranny and bfa illusion are the best they've ever made

[jolly sierra]

wasnt tyranny the first one?

[north acorn]

yes

[potent pivot]

demonic and glorious tyranny

[jolly sierra]

i have dreadflame too

[potent pivot]

i thought they were from mop

or some shit

[north acorn]

glorious tyranny was mop

the red one

[jolly sierra]

love it i use it w my soul eaters

[north acorn]

demonic tyranny was legion

[jolly sierra]

but shadowflame imo is the best

[north acorn]

and primal victory was wod

[jolly sierra]

it screams pvp

and even pvers went to pvp looking for it

[severe hazel]

do professions matter in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

w boosts

[dapper chasm]

My sister's old char popping up made me have the urge to call her for the first time in months

Was a great conversation

Thanks, WoW!

[jolly sierra]

that illusion by far is my most valued one

[potent pivot]

nah. you have to be lvl 1 engi to use goggles/engi bracers tho

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[severe hazel]

@potent pivot im still shadowlands engi LUL

[jolly sierra]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shadowflame-illusion-is-dope/1611735/3

look they killed tyranny

at legion

[potent pivot]

whatever that was, was reverted i'm pretty sure

tyranny illusions are the strongest/heaviest looking ones in the game

[jolly sierra]

well ye i would want tyranny too in mop tbh

was a very nice looking illusion

[potent pivot]

yeah that's prolly the biggest reason i'd play mop classic

lmao

[jolly sierra]

but im very ok w both primal storm, dreadflame and shadowflame

[potent pivot]

just to get the pvp rewards

[jolly sierra]

classic rewards arent linked to retail

just think in that

[potent pivot]

ik

some people are saying they should be

[surreal barn]

Just imagine a black and green illusion like shadowflame that could have been in s4 instead of that bullshit

[potent pivot]

but i doubt they will change that

[jolly sierra]

i would want an illusion which would be full black like a fkn ghost hugging the entire edge of the weapon

[jolly sierra]

i think there are not full black illusions, right?

[potent pivot]

sinful

[jolly sierra]

sinful was a weapon dye

i say

a full glow

like w tyranny

[potent pivot]

sinful is prolly my 3rd favorite

behind tyranny and dreadflame

[jolly sierra]

shadowlands illusions tbh idk what was the intended road about them

some of them full dye ur wep

[potent pivot]

idk why but i don't like shadowflame

it's good but not my fav

[jolly sierra]

another ones makes a weird patron in ur weapons

[surreal barn]

Duskblade

[jolly sierra]

dreadflame was my favorite before shadowflame

was a very strong looking illusion

imo in pvp that is what makes the illusion looks well

[potent pivot]

yeah everyone just wants strong particle effects lol

the stronger the better

[jolly sierra]

something that makes ur opponents run away from u just because how intimidating it looks

and ofc as should be

we are used to kill players

[feral inlet]

Does the illusion for this xpac look good?

[potent pivot]

the one for season 1 does not no

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fFw_QuxhAKk

[feral inlet]

RIP

[jolly sierra]

well, i think for pallies and priest is bis

but besides that hell no

an enchant i love a lot and is underrated af imo is primal storm

have u tried it in a thunderfury?

[potent pivot]

it looks ok on some weapons

but in general i don't like yellow/gold illusions

[graceful ravine]

@potent pivot corrupt the blood doesnt stop caps

just tried it

[potent pivot]

hmm

maybe it's just singular focus

or maybe they fixed it

[slender bay]

Returning to the game, how do you feel about sub and sin regarding S4 of DF? I plan to mainly play blitz.

[potent pivot]

they're both pretty good atm. not sure what you mean by 'regarding s4 of DF'

[rain crown]

@outer sky ok i wasnt entirely wrong earlier, monk did get alot of added mobility stuff but none of it is taken or can be taken at the same time. Gained quick footed, swift art, clash/rush, and lighter than air, and celestial determination if you can count that

I personally hated the tiger palm dash shit so im glad its gone

[slender bay]

I mean that the last time I played was in season 4 of DF, so I want to know if they are more or less the same, worse, better, or if there are any major changes (I think the heroic talents are random passives, so I imagine not much?) Ty!

[potent pivot]

not too much has changed since then, but rogue spec balance is better right now. the hero trees ARE mostly passive, but some of them change your gameplay a little bit.

[dull bridge]

still plays like melee afflock

in 2 expansions they're going to make blind spammable with no cd but magical and kidney shot will have 10 minute cooldown and the conversion will be complete

[potent pivot]

2 second cast time on Blind

ggs

[slender bay]

I've been playing MM Hunter in blitz and it feels like S-tier, but I've barely seen rogues, and the ones I have seen didn't seem very strong, that's why I was asking.

[potent pivot]

rogue is good

[slender bay]

Nice haha

[feral inlet]

Blitz to me is all about playing the objective and on a base map rogues can almost change the game by themselves

Just by ninja capping a base or flipping a flag

[candid tide]

fk hunters man

[potent pivot]

except survival hunters right?

those are the homies

[jolly sierra]

no, fk them too

they messes up my burst every 25s

[potent pivot]

that's ok

they know the struggles

[jolly sierra]

and dunno the reason

but the sticky bomb is unaffected by cloak

so no

hell no

[potent pivot]

mm hunters are the opps

surv are our melee brethren

[jolly sierra]

nah they are at ret melee levels distance wise

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-september-24th-fire-mage-shadow-priest-resto-druid-346795

@outer sky

FINALLY

STILL NO MOVEMENT NERFS THOUGH

[outer sky]

Lighter than Air is a mobility loss if you take it because it increases the CD of roll by 4s in pvp

[potent pivot]

LMFAO

mostly good changes tho

[surreal barn]

😦

Lame

Can’t have any fun

[potent pivot]

they nerfed all the OP stuff except udk/mm

but still zero changes to ranged kiting and slows

except this which doesn't even matter

[surreal barn]

What crappy tuning I just read through it

How they gonna boost spriest damage LOL

[potent pivot]

yeah idk man

it's like they're afraid to buff some stuff, but then over buff other stuff

then barely nerf the insane stuff, so that it takes 3x nerfs before they aren't insane

[steep kiln]

[jolly sierra]

XD

[potent pivot]

it's funny seeing certain people say sub needs more nerfs

kinda like no one in the community can stand it being playable

[steep kiln]

feel like thats a season 1 tradition at this point

[potent pivot]

sp also got this lil nerf

[steep kiln]

hybrid dps classes whine the most in my experience

squeeky wheel gets the grease

[feral inlet]

Am I the only one who thinks healing is just too strong?

[wintry axle]

how the fuck do we beat deva in 2s?

[feral inlet]

Dragon should have got their healing nerfed as well tbh

[potent pivot]

/afk

[wintry axle]

its literally impossible

90% of the bracket is disc / deva / fury / uhdk

[potent pivot]

they got their healing nerfed this past reset

[feral inlet]

Slows need DR change my mind

[potent pivot]

dev just has infinite hover

[feral inlet]

Hover needs to get guted lol

[potent pivot]

+90% slow on their DPS spell

the slow needs to be nerfed to shit too

they just nerfed disc as well

so maybe they won't be so insane after next reset

[feral inlet]

Ya disc is bad right now lol

[copper grove]

guys is it worth paying a coatch to learn arena sub rogue ?

[feral inlet]

Watching a disc priest have 3 people on them and still just heal their team in blitz’s make me sad

[potent pivot]

that's completely up to you. IMO you can learn any spec in the game on your own

[warped gate]

How fresh are these notes?

[potent pivot]

just takes practice

[warped gate]

Did this just drop?

[potent pivot]

yes

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-september-24th-fire-mage-shadow-priest-resto-druid-346795#comments

[warped gate]

Oh wow, anything for us sneaky bois?

[potent pivot]

sub ER nerf

[feral inlet]

Ya frost mage nerfs lol

[potent pivot]

a lot of decent changes

just not enough nerfs for some shit

[feral inlet]

They need to touch slows and hover lol

Like how they didn’t think about that is wild

[potent pivot]

sub and rogue in general take a long time to master. you just have to put in the effort.

[potent pivot]

they've gotta know it needs attention by now

plenty of forum posts about evoker/frost mages

venruki even made a video about it

[copper grove]

u know what

fk mm+

fk pve, fk them and fk that

[feral inlet]

Ya maybe they’ll see how these hit and then do some more tuning

[potent pivot]

why do you say that?

[copper grove]

i'm never getting invited in mm+, lobby simulator

jesus christ

[outer sky]

I thought frost mages damage was finr

[potent pivot]

yeah m+ can be like that

you gotta have good ilvl

get the best gear you can from heroics/delves then try to sign up for m0s, then +2s, etc

[copper grove]

i'm 600 ilvl wtf do they want more

i'm 0 raidlog because new character

[feral inlet]

Problem is your competing against people who are 610+ with past IO

[potent pivot]

i think the lance nerf is definitely warranted still. but the movement is still an issue

[feral inlet]

Easiest way is to join one of the chill communities like make wow easy or casual Friday

Or run your own keys

Until you get IO score to separate from the pack

[potent pivot]

yeah starting your own group for keys is honestly the best thing

[outer sky]

Fine*

The issue to me, which is still an issue, is that melee can't touch them

[feral inlet]

I only do rogue in PvP but you’re also competing against some absolutely cracked classes in PvE lol

[potent pivot]

did you see the venruki vid i posted way earlier lmao

he shows himself playing ww into deva, then him playing deva himself

he even says himself frost needs nerfs etc

[feral inlet]

Idk I just feel low healing is cracked right now

People just don’t die in blitz a least

[potent pivot]

idk i feel like people die just fine

disc is obv too strong, but still possible to beat them

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason i stopped m+ seriously since legion

[graceful ravine]

i enjoy m+ alot but its too time consuming for me

[feral inlet]

Ya M+ can be toxic that’s why I run with the discords

More chill

[graceful ravine]

esp when you got a team that pressures you to login and run keys all day

pvp i can login whenever and queue it up

[feral inlet]

Make WoW easy and Casual Friday are good low pressure places to do keys and stuff

But ya I only do PvE on my enhance and then I do PvP on my others since I can’t be bothered to maintain multiple alts anymore in PvE

[potent pivot]

I’ve just never liked m+ in general idk

I love raiding and pvp, but to raid competitively basically requires you to do m+ too so I quit raiding

[graceful ravine]

does pally have a dmg shield around them that prevent flag caps? had this pally in a blind next to me and it wouldnt let me cap

[potent pivot]

That might be the thing they have that pulls us out of stealth

Maybe it was keeping you in combat

[graceful ravine]

you dont need to be out of combat to cap flags

[potent pivot]

You know what I mean though, maybe that’s what it was

“Paladin - Divine Resonance (Divine Toll) - Automatic Judgment knocks you out of stealth even while not visible. It appears the range check is what breaks you out of stealth, no hammer is ever thrown at you. Range is limited to 30 yards and line of sight, but knocks you out of stealth regardless of what direction the Paladin is facing.”

Doesn’t sound like that should stop you capping but idk

[quaint cedar]

How much versa does duskthread give? I crafted my weapon with blessed weapon grip week 1 and I'm trying to decide if I should switch to double duskthread or maybe even elemental focusing lens

[potent pivot]

It’s like 2%, it’s just got a better average uptime

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I was checking details from my last shuffle and each round the weapon grip buff had between 20-49% uptime, most averaging around 30%

[potent pivot]

Yeah from everything I’ve seen so far the average uptime on Grip is around 30%

As sub/law Dusk usually has like a 70% uptime, just depends on the match and comps etc

[quaint cedar]

Was it 2% vers per duskthread?

[potent pivot]

With both

[quaint cedar]

ah ok. So weapon grip is more vers when it procs but much lower uptime

[boreal copper]

Is there a gearing guideline in here as far as things to grab first, or did I dream that? lol I swear I saw it just a couple days ago..

[quaint cedar]

I get 2% vers when it procs and it is at full stacks

Yeah kinda feeling like duskthread is generally better

[potent pivot]

Basically yeah

[outer sky]

Anyone here play disc able to tell me how impactful the disc nerf is?

[quaint cedar]

What about elemental focusing lens? I saw some outlaws using it

[potent pivot]

Yes there’s a gearing faq linked in the pins

[outer sky]

other advantage to grip is you can make it proc haste or mastery instead of just crit or vers like linings

[potent pivot]

It seems decent for outlaw

[halcyon timber]

50% hit to a very frequent empowered shields is a big blow

[potent pivot]

Nothing crazy, but decent

[outer sky]

i'm using it on my WW. with 2 it hits for like 250k

does like 3% of my damage

maybe 3.5

[quaint cedar]

Hmm that might be good then

You only need 1 gem to get the full effect right?

[warped gate]

Bois, how do we feel about this PvP tunneling tier list?

https://youtu.be/A2TS7FJGErU

Solo Shuffle, mostly.

[quaint cedar]

I feel like I can't even read the tier text lol

[warped gate]

Yeah, sorry, I gotta figure out how to take screenshots while having HDR on.

But basically he's saying targets that are great to go on most of the time and stuff like that.

[quaint cedar]

Seems mostly right. Surprised he put WW as being so tanky though

Also I think sub is slightly harder to kill than outlaw but I'm fine with them both being in the same tier

[warped gate]

Last expansion, Skill Capped had WW as a skillcheck thing as if the WW doesn't know what he's doing you can take him out, but if he knows how to kite and use his abilities it's not worth it.

[quaint cedar]

Hmm actually also surprised by feral. A good one can be harder to kill but I still feel like it's good to focus them regardless to force them into bear more often

[warped gate]

That's the thing that made me wanna get a second opinion here, because feral used to be THE best melee target in Solo Shuffle.

The thing I don't like about that video is he doesn't really go into depth about why the targets are where they are, just a general statement and moves on.

[graceful ravine]

https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated Solo Shuffle&sortKey=target&minRating=0&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=&trendChartStat=representation

i use this to determine who to target

sort by first blood

highest to low

[quaint cedar]

Yeah tier list videos are just easy content

[warped gate]

Hahaha, okay, why is Assassination so floppable?

[graceful ravine]

has always been this way

since the dawn of time

[quaint cedar]

Feral is definitely lower than it used to be, makes sense. They are more durable now which is good. They flopped over so fast in DF

[warped gate]

I just rolled rogue and I only recently figured out what Outlaw does, I have no idea how the other specs perform at all.

[graceful ravine]

assa has always been squishy

sub/outlaw are tankier

[quaint cedar]

Assa has the least access to defensives. Outlaw has CDR on vanish and evasion (though nerfed) and Sub has CDR on everything when they vanish and can use vanishes more defensively since they still have 2x shadow dance

[graceful ravine]

• shadow dance healing

[quaint cedar]

oh yeah that too

They are losing that in the .5 patch though

Going to be vanish only

[outer sky]

why does everyone think outlaw is the immortal rogue spec

it has 3% more vers and 12% more hp

that doesnt exactly make it a tank

[stoic spruce]

Evasion and feint cdr

Vanish cdr

[graceful ravine]

outlaw used to be the immortal rogue spec

maybe not anymore due to nerfs

but when outlaw was meta, that spec never dies

[outer sky]

evasion is kind of a shit CD and the CDR on it is almost negligible. Instead of a 2m CD its like a 1m 45s CD

[graceful ravine]

tbt when outlaw had 1 min evasions

use it on cd for funsies

[outer sky]

feint CDR is more or less irrelevant since with 2 charges on such a low CD you can have almost perma uptime on it as any spec

vanish is a DPS CD

[stoic spruce]

You're joking right?

[outer sky]

no?

[stoic spruce]

20% dr with like 80% uptime is huge wdym??

[outer sky]

Do we play elusiveness as outlaw?

[stoic spruce]

If you want to live

[quaint cedar]

Depends if you think you will die in a swap or be the focus target

[stoic spruce]

You can play cheat but why would you? Elusive prevents it from happening in the first place

[outer sky]

And the other 2 specs have a ton of feint uptime too

[quaint cedar]

Or if you're playing against rot where you're taking constant damage

[outer sky]

Everyone was playing cheat last time outlaw was meta

[quaint cedar]

Or high cleave damage, etc.

[stoic spruce]

Which, to be fair, is dumb enough to target outlaw

Who*

[radiant glen]

last time outlaw was meta being the DH lock v outlaw arcane rmps? ppl were dying very fast so cheat did make sense

but elusiveness is kinda ur default if meta means ur not oneshot in a stun

[outer sky]

Pre nerf DF

[quaint cedar]

Outlaw can die in a stun without trinket just like every other spec in the game
By that logic, why ever take elusiveness if no one will ever target you?

[outer sky]

Even right now most of the highest rated outlaw rogues are playing cheat

[stoic spruce]

This isn't saying what you think it's saying

You can make that same argument with cheat

[lucid citrus]

why they nerfing Echoing so much?

[outer sky]

weve had this cheat vs elusiveness debate a hundred times. Regardless most OL rogues play cheat

[stoic spruce]

Something something sub rogue

[potent pivot]

because of one shot cheese builds

[lucid citrus]

ahh that makes sense

Thank you!

[quaint cedar]

That doesn't even make sense. Why not just skip the node entirely then?
Point is that most outlaws pick cheat because we're not the focus target. We're not taking most of the sustain damage throughout the game. So generally the only way we die is when we're down our trinket and getting bursted in a stun. That's what cheat death is for

Even without elusiveness feint still reduces 40% of aoe damage so it really only helps if you are the prio target

[potent pivot]

@graceful ravine did you still need that WA?

[snow mesa]

Avidance build too broken

[potent pivot]

"avidance build" kek

[snow mesa]

[lucid citrus]

lol "avidance"

[snow mesa]

it's fun as hell to play tbh

[lucid citrus]

I dont like how you have 100 energy with that build lol

[snow mesa]

It's annoying but once you learn how to play around it it's kinda fine

[surreal barn]

Sure would like slow breaking burst of speed right about now

[potent pivot]

you can play it with Tea

just drop Deeper or Vanish instead

[snow mesa]

I mean he also quit using the build

[potent pivot]

the real cheese build focused on builder damage > finisher damage anyway

but none of them are very viable at a high level

holy

[stoic spruce]

And then cheat goes off by some bs rot and gg

[graceful ravine]

i got it figured out with tellmewhen

thanks tho

[potent pivot]

[graceful ravine]

2500 mmr btw

lmao wtf

are these guys playing bgs for the first time or something

[snow mesa]

yeah

a lot of blitz players that started playing bgs with blitz release

[outer sky]

I just DCd out of an all melee lobby OMG

That was an easy 6-0

[surreal barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=212040/kareshi-phantoms-netherwalkers

[potent pivot]

[surreal barn]

🔥

[potent pivot]

will be a decent optimization in a few weeks

i think my max envenom is like 2.6m now

[plucky escarp]

I get 2.2ms on the PvP dummy but in arena my max has been like 1.3m

I straight up murdered a monk with a 1.3m envenom and he rage whispered me after to call me gay

I felt complete

[potent pivot]

you've gotta hit a DN envenom while you have Radiant up

[surreal barn]

I haven’t come close, but today is my first deathstalker day

It’s kinda fun

[potent pivot]

if you can also hit one of those with LD up, you can hit like 2.5

[graceful ravine]

on the pvp dummy just now lol

yum yum

but stars need to align

[surreal barn]

Are you waiting for deathmark to expire

For the amp up

[graceful ravine]

no

using the shiv version

[potent pivot]

yeah i don't use SV

but i didn't wait for LD to hit the 2.1 earlier

so something is still off

SV isn't +800k

[graceful ravine]

dfa 😄

[potent pivot]

oh dear god

i need the spell ID for radiant power

[surreal barn]

You can just type in radiant power

It will get it

Below the ID is an option for buff name

[potent pivot]

yeh i got it

i've never really made WAs from scratch

just simple ones with the premade auras feature

[flint yarrow]

yo

do u get 9 more of the pvp crest things this week

or was it a onetime thing

[potent pivot]

one time thing

[flint yarrow]

ah fk

[potent pivot]

how do i get the fuckin

icon

[surreal barn]

😆

[potent pivot]

it automatically did it

just doesn't show while i'm in the menu

[surreal barn]

Yeah sounds about right

Was about to summon @dapper chasm

Which oddly enough sounds like a genie name

[potent pivot]

yeah i've got no idea when it comes to making em from scratch

[surreal barn]

You can make a skill overlay with an activation border

[potent pivot]

want it to always show/glow if active

[surreal barn]

Which is what I’ve moved to

Less clutter

[potent pivot]

a what

[surreal barn]

Like you know when dispatch is available it glows and shit

You can do that for any skill when a buff becomes active

[potent pivot]

ambush? ye

like on your action bar?

[surreal barn]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

that's insane

[surreal barn]

It’s nice.

I make my sectec glow when the stars align

And it’s GO time

[potent pivot]

yeah i'd like to make env glow

instead of watching the buffs

[surreal barn]

You basically put envenom on there the same size as your bar and then activation border it when all your buffs are avail

You won’t notice it’s an overlay in combat

[potent pivot]

ahhh

[surreal barn]

Yeah it’s essentially a mask

[potent pivot]

magnusz has something similar

that shows his Bloodthirst crit chance on a little overlay over it

[surreal barn]

Hadn’t thought of that

[potent pivot]

yeah it's kinda nice if the prio of your spells change for certain reasons

[graceful ravine]

https://streamable.com/7vbt7l

i wish i could pull this off in a pvp setting lol

3.3m crit

[surreal barn]

I will learn this insanity

Since mine has been neutered

[potent pivot]

yeah idk how the fuck

to make this overlay thing

[potent pivot]

i'm assuming that was with LD?

[graceful ravine]

i use SV

cos i need the burst in the deathmark window

[potent pivot]

idk deathmark is so piss i don't really bother

[graceful ravine]

hit a lock with a 1.1m dfa

[river pollen]

which one is better for sub rogue?

[potent pivot]

Duskthread Lining

[river pollen]

lol im such an idiot i did read that in your guide but i didnt find it ig cus i didnt realize i could scroll down...

ty lmao

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

i think i got it figured out, but the icon only shows up and glows when everything has lined up

i'd prefer it to just always show and then just glow when everything lines up, but no idea how to make it happen

i also only got a 1.4m crit during that test which doesn't make any sense to me

nvm ik why

[surreal barn]

I can take a look later it can be done

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm sure it can be done i just don't know what i'm doing

[golden island]

what are the names of the embelishments for feet/ring?

[potent pivot]

feet/ring?

[golden island]

thats what murlok is showing

on feet its vers above 80

[potent pivot]

i don't think Duskthread can go on jewelry

but that's Duskthread

[golden island]

and ring is some damage from spells

ah

[potent pivot]

yeah that's Lens that some people are putting on ring

we're mainly using 2x Duskthread

which has to go on Leather pieces i'm pretty sure

[golden island]

ya on feet was my first one

ok should i bother with ring?

[potent pivot]

imo 2x Duskthread

[golden island]

like feet and chest?

[potent pivot]

you can craft another off piece with blue heraldries (626) like bracers

def not chest

[rain crown]

Does sub even play echoing reprimand rn?

Why the nerf

[potent pivot]

one shot cheese builds

[rain crown]

Ah

[potent pivot]

you don't want to waste gold crafting items in slots that we'll use for tier set. so just as an example i used blue heraldries to craft 626 bracers and put my 2nd Duskthread on it. can recraft those bracers to 639 later and not lose the emb.

[golden island]

right on...i was just going off murlok. thanks for the info tho. ill make it on something else

[radiant glen]

forbidden technique 禁忌技术 avid dancer 狂热的舞者 200 button combo 200个按钮组合 enemy die rapidly 敌人迅速死亡 no energy 没有能量 fuck

[graceful ravine]

my highest one yet

my lord

how much does secret tech hit for?

[radiant glen]

not enough

needs buffs uhuh

[potent pivot]

Tech is kinda dogshit so far this season

Evis is the big dam button again

But even with evis I’ve only been able to hit like 2m on a dummy usually

ER was hitting for upwards of 3m

But that was fully prepping a cheese with multiple buffs up

[river pollen]

can crafted gear be upgraded into tear sets?

[potent pivot]

You could somewhat reliably hit 1.8-2m ERs without full prepping them, but the regular evis build was still more reliable

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so

[river pollen]

kk will let you know to confirm

[potent pivot]

Sounds good

Generally it wouldn’t be recommended anyway just because it’d be a waste of gold

[river pollen]

im confused as to what to focus on when it comes to crafted gear, cus i dont wanna use a slot that wouldve been better for another piece instead haha\

since we dont have much conquest

[potent pivot]

There’s a gear faq linked in the pins

But

The safest slots for crafted gear are:
Boots
Bracers
Rings

[spring bough]

Just got back home from my company golf outting. Bout to crush some games and some more beers 😂

[river pollen]

ty that makes sense boots and bracers conq gear dont have mastery

[river pollen]

base

based

[spring bough]

I’m gonna def stay outta chat tn 😂

[potent pivot]

crafted gear also has better stat weights than conq gear because it's vers=mast instead of vers heavy

[river pollen]

damn true

smart

[spring bough]

I just got in an AV and another rogue is in full vancleef gear 😂

[stoic spruce]

You're denying the chat it's true purpose

[spring bough]

Nah not after a few drinks no filter isn’t good lol

[stoic spruce]

Been working out fine for me

Been dodging them bans

[spring bough]

Lucky MF

[river pollen]

talking convos fade just like intoxication but texts stay forever even after youre sober

smart decision sinnen

[stoic spruce]

I do want to state

I never initiate it

However

[spring bough]

Some people deserve it popo? Lol

[stoic spruce]

You can't call me bad because the efc ran off with the flag when I'm the only one in a team of 8 going after said efc

[stoic spruce]

This too

You don't understand

They HAVE to know they're stupid and bad and should uninstall

[river pollen]

[potent pivot]

just "uninstall"

[stoic spruce]

Not good enough

[potent pivot]

ain't no way that's ToS

[spring bough]

Used to be but not after that social contract lol

[stoic spruce]

Until they ban me, it's free game

What's funny is I somehow earned a reputation amongst my peers for being an S tier shit talker but not once to I do those things without being provoked

https://youtube.com/@jeevesny this guy nerds out about soap

I love him

[graceful ravine]

Gotta say, pres evoker is impossible to kill in bgs without dampening

my god

[steep kiln]

guy who would not stop talking shit to me was on my team again the next game

carried his dumbass

[stoic spruce]

See?

You should be able to tell him he's bad and stupid and should uninstall

[orchid temple]

is it recommended to macro badge in with a cd?

like blades & i can just click it for badge when it's on cd

[potent pivot]

you can macro it to Symbols without really fucking anything up

[orchid temple]

ty

mind if i see your sub binds btw?

i think we spoke about binds briefly the other day

[potent pivot]

yeh binds are super subjective

sec

[lone anvil]

I'm trying to set up better binds. And I noticed some people have double of certain skills on their bars and I heard someone say these doubles are focus macros

[orchid temple]

guessing N1-9, B5, N0 are mouse?

[lone anvil]

What's are focus macros, what is the point and how do I use them/ implement them

[graceful ravine]

speaking of which, im still using that logitech mouse you recommended a few yrs back lol

[potent pivot]

mine broke

and they don't make em anymore

[radiant glen]

you can designate a target as focus i.e the healer
then a focus blind macro will always blind healer, without ever needing to swap targets

[lone anvil]

I picked up this corsair RGB elite cause my brother works at Best buy and he gets it for $45 with discount lol

[potent pivot]

big sad

[potent pivot]

yes

[orchid temple]

@lone anvil people tend to have double of skills showing to enhance visibility of key cooldowns.

focus macros are to aid with cc'ing the off target while targeting the main target. so for example you can have E as kick then shift-E as focus kick - then you can have the healer as focus target and use shift-E to kick them

[lone anvil]

That sounds crack head coded wtf. But my UI is already too overstimulating even without having doubles of all my abilities

[lone anvil]

What's the advantage of using a focus macro as opposed to just using the gladius addon or something

Do you think there is a significant advantage of having the macro for them all

[graceful ravine]

you save milliseconds by not having to switch targets

to cc

[lone anvil]

From a UI simplicity standpoint less is more

[graceful ravine]

from a reactionary standpoint, speed is better

[lone anvil]

Is the milliseconds worth having a cluttered UI with 3 blinds 3 kicks and 3 gouges

And 3 kidneys

[graceful ravine]

yup

thats what separates gladiators from duelist

[radiant glen]

I have the focus binds hidden on invis bars

[graceful ravine]

if i can kidney your healer .1 second before he presses his CD, then i win

if i have to tab target, kidney, tab target back, valuable time wasted

[orchid temple]

you don't need multiple abilities showing btw

you just setup a macro like

#showtooltip Cheap Shot
/cast [mod:shift,target=focus] Cheap Shot;Cheap Shot

[graceful ravine]

i hide all my keybinds

[graceful ravine]

My UI is here, all my keybinds are hidden

[fickle grove]

hey guys is there some sort of mercenary mode for world pvp or something

bcuz recently i've had to fight other alliance races in pvp for some reason lol

[potent pivot]

nope

wpvp WQs are FFA

[fickle grove]

Ah dang

i wanna go back to forsaken but horde lose like 80% of the crates lol

and that's sorta my only pvp gear income

[graceful ravine]

Night elf is too good to give up

[steep kiln]

pretty good gold just hanging out in between ques there waiting for bounties

drop the patterns pretty often

way more than the crates in my experience

[narrow tangle]

shadowmeld is too good even for other classes

[potent pivot]

I don’t see as many other classes locking in nelf this season

Rogue, druid, some healers have been doing nelf/gnome/undead

[stoic spruce]

All of them?

[potent pivot]

I don’t remember tbh

I think they all are

[orchid temple]

@potent pivot do you macro badge with something for assa?

[potent pivot]

for assa specifically you'd run insignia

unless you bought a conquest badge for sub already

[orchid temple]

i did yeah

[potent pivot]

if that's the case, you'd send it with Deathmark or KB if running KB

[orchid temple]

i've been considering starting again with assa as i'm still struggling with targeting etc

but am enjoying sub so idk

[potent pivot]

i like em all pretty equally, they've all got their strengths and fun factors

just annoying playing melee in this evoker/Fmage meta rn

[orchid temple]

what do you like about sub & assa?

also i am following palumor's opener guide

when i dont have CDs i have some q's

i guess when i dont have sepsis up i just shadowstrike instead, and ST evis instead

but when i dont have blades up im not getting many CP

so what kind of goes do i do without blades

[dull bridge]

you're pressing your shadowstrike twice instead of once

[runic trench]

do yo guys playing the echoing reprimand sub build

[dull bridge]

and i would do ss into kidney if i'm doing a cold open

[graceful ravine]

I don’t run KB so I forget to use my trinket without death mark

Once every 2 min 😵

[sterile sleet]

any idea on stat priority for outlaw in pvp?

[terse bolt]

I read sepsis and puke ngl

[runic trench]

rip sepsis

maybe they remove it, make it a pvp talent and make it giga busted

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

nope, definitely not now thats its finally been nerfed

[potent pivot]

I’d recommend checking Nahj’s opener guides

[potent pivot]

You should probably snag an insignia

[hexed blaze]

does it matter where we socket bloodstone

[lost quest]

Whats the best outlaw embelishment? Is it that dmg proc or vers above 80%?

[graceful ravine]

one rating away from duelist

blizz gods are cruel

[orchid plinth]

Best WA https://wago.io/zzcd-Wd1J

[graceful ravine]

boom i did it

time to sleep

[wintry dew]

You're the guy that only knows one way

And that is UP

[indigo hill]

Im going places. 🥳

[radiant glen]

gz on 1600

[formal crystal]

gz

i cant get past like 1599

started at 1580 tday and now im back at 1400 heh

[warm tundra]

tips against evoker ?

why none of my slows work

and he's more mobile than a mage

while doing the dmg of the other 2 top dps players combined

[hollow carbon]

A PvP talent which makes them immune to slows while using hover

[warm tundra]

ridiculous

also is that really a 30 seconds fucking cc immune they have?

[hollow carbon]

It is, on 90s CD. Has 3 charges, each charge has to be consumed by a CC or purged

[warm tundra]

oh so its not that bad then

we can get it off quickly as rogue

[hollow carbon]

It’s really powerful. In best case you can sap it off 3 times

[warm tundra]

my team kept asking me to sap it off

while deliberately not using LOS

idk what that was about

either way

ive played 100 solo shuffle rounds so far

and i dont think evoker has died once in any of them

[hollow carbon]

They can play another talent which makes them immune to kicks while using their dmg reduction obsidian scales for 12s

So the idea is, to either kick disintegrates or if they are immune, to stun them

Usually they will trinket the first stun

Then you play defensive until next stun DR

Can also use gouge to stop them

[wintry dew]

people in rated blitz

lack braincells

mines map, both healers decide to camp 1 cart

[indigo hill]

We taking crystalline radiance for chest enchant?

[wintry dew]

How is the blitz MMR calculated?

i just noticed i'm probably hardstuck at 1.1

xDD

[indigo hill]

Nice UDK, Fwar and Fmage lobby...

[warm tundra]

call me crazy but its so much easier to win at around 1600 with sub than sin

ive cheated so many wins in shuffle on sub by just doing incredible burst when nobody was ready for it

sin damage is always predictable

[indigo hill]

The upcoming class tuning is that based on their pve performance?

[potent pivot]

There’s also pvp specific tuning

[potent pivot]

Take the one with more agi

[warm tundra]

@potent pivot which trinket is best for sin?

[marble oasis]

We rocking an embellished crafted dagger now aren't we and crafted > vendor due to stats isn't that right?

[copper grove]

guys if i get it i can use this item https://www.wowhead.com/item=210233/forged-gladiators-heraldry to upgrade my items so i don't have to farm the new set with gladiator point ?

[last jasper]

when you endup with 2\4 and ppl call u smurf

[wise breach]

Man this expansion is going to make me broke

Every 3 star enchant is over 20k

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/card-flip-swipe-pay-wut-checkout-gif-11170560

[dusky widget]

into rbg does the original faction matter ?
Like if im horde im mostly gonna play as horde but alliance if needed? Or its 50-50 no matter

because im horde and im like 80% into the horde team actually

[narrow tangle]

is it wise to craft mastery goggles

[narrow tangle]

no

[torpid swan]

What are ppl doing on sub cheap shot openers?

[elfin maple]

cheap shot opener feels like shit

[torpid swan]

Yes.

[indigo hill]

Nah. It's random. You end up where it's most needed.

[warm tundra]

is this normal waiting time for SS ?

been like this all day

[runic trench]

21m?

[warm tundra]

yes

[runic trench]

queue hasnt even started amigo

[warm tundra]

avg 20 mins queue per match

wdym

[runic trench]

20 min for dps isnt bad

[warm tundra]

am i just warming up for the real wait time

[runic trench]

yeah

[warm tundra]

how are people even pvping then

let me guess

[runic trench]

this is the wait before the wait

[warm tundra]

they dont?

[runic trench]

they do normal arena

or they heal

[warm tundra]

huh

why would normal arena be faster

people dont like free rewards?

[runic trench]

normal arena is better comps

faster games

[warm tundra]

oh u mean

group arena

[runic trench]

yeah

[warm tundra]

sorry but 70% of the arena LFG

is somehow made out of glads

looking for other glads

so i really hope it dies with all candles burned out

i thought solo shuffle is the more populated game mode now

[snow mesa]

shuffle is mickey mouse bracket

its really not that populated

[warm tundra]

as far as im concerned its teh only bracket

as 99% of the pvp community is all minimum 2.4k somehow

[snow mesa]

3s and 2s are very much alive

so is blitz

[runic trench]

could always start your own group

[snow mesa]

^

[runic trench]

oh yeah and everyone lies

2.8k xp?

nah theyre 100 xp

everyone is 0xp liars

2.8k xp in bc maybe

[snow mesa]

90% of the people there make fake achievements

[drowsy sandal]

What do you guys use for extra weapon enhancements? Bubbly wax? Weightstones? Mana oil?

[fiery turret]

what embellishment do we want on dagger?

[warm tundra]

never liked 2s much, certain healers feel like they already cand make 2 players immune to damage as is nevermind just 1

but i thought with solo shuffle that 3s lost the majority playerbase

thats what i heard at least

[snow mesa]

idk never felt like that with 2s

[formal crystal]

why r people so obssessed with like sub over outlaw

what is even the big difference

i feel like i win alot vs subs ^^

[runic trench]

@warm tundra

[spring bough]

i keep getting the que pop for blitz then "you have been removed" and have to reque

does this happen to anyone else? que pop shows for like 2 seconds then it removes me and i have to reque

[warm tundra]

i cant gain any CR in solo shuffle

because of pres

my last 4 games finished with draws

[surreal barn]

Maybe you got shadow banned last night after them beers

[safe pelican]

They definitely are lying go play with them you will see

[spring bough]

It’s been happening all week

Probably a dozen ques so far

Then I have to reque and they are either instant pops or it takes the avg time

[safe pelican]

You have been banned to the shadow realm brother

Jk lol idk relog

Open a ticket maybe never had that happen I’ll be damned if I wait 40 mins for a shuffle pop then I have to wait another 40 minutes to actually play

[spring bough]

I have safe que addon too. So idk why it’s somehow kicking me out. Maybe an addon

[safe pelican]

Yea could be a script somewhere that’s bugging out good guess

It’s a great day to lvl a Fury Warrior 😎

[indigo hill]

I got the same but my lobbies were fury war, dk and frost mage. So I'm Fucked with a capitol F. The outlaw nerf last week was so uncalled for for. It's like the tuning has been done by stevie wonder.

[tardy girder]

Yoyo , guys anyone is here if had some free time to explain to me some rotation for assass rouge pvp?

[orchid delta]

Could someone explain to me Deathstalker vs Fatebound build difference? In murlok it looks like Deathstalker build is 60% pop, Fatebound 40% pop.

For bg blitz^

[potent pivot]

Murlok isn’t showing you what people use in blitz, it’s showing you what they logged out using

Deathstalker is better overall

[potent pivot]

Insignia

[potent pivot]

Nope on the embellished part

[potent pivot]

You get them after winning some pvp games

We only got the 9 for free last week, now you have to buy them with conquest

[topaz bobcat]

bruh assa so ez compared to sub for me

why the hell did they buff feral again btw

[potent pivot]

they nerfed bite damage again

[dapper chasm]

Well pretty much everyone agrees that Sub is the true spec, and Ass/Combat is more for younger children and people with bad hands

I think it's safe to say that I speak for everyone

[topaz bobcat]

bleeds up big

2 patches in a row they really really hurt

they will still wipe u in a stun with convoke thing if lucky

[orchid plinth]

It is us old men that must now resort to Assa meanwhile cracked 17 yo zoomer gamers plays Sub at 4k rating with a SUBWAY SURFERS WeakAura to contain the ADHD

[dapper chasm]

Go book your next colonoscopy

And I barely use WeakAuras

https://tenor.com/view/future-is-now-old-man-future-is-now-malcolm-in-the-middle-iota-tanglevision-gif-22172633

[safe pelican]

lol gearing my alt assas rogue rn and we are 3/3 as horde in ashram im guessing horde auto wins this ebg

Winning in less than 4 minutes of in game time

[quaint cedar]

Guys

How much do I have to pay blizz to never get EotS in BG Blitz ever again?

Pls

Get me out of this hell

I've lost 400 mmr off of EotS today

2400 -> 2000

Send help

[graceful ravine]

If I’m queuing with anyone above 2k cr, I’m looking them up on checkpvp prior to playing with them

To check if they’re lying

[warped gate]

Going from a 5-1 with my opponents saying this:

—To a 1-5 where the healer is calling me racial slurs.

I swear, sometimes it feels like a coin flip in Solo Shuffle.

[warped gate]

Huh, never knew about this site. Super weird how out of all my alts, it lists the Warrior that I haven't played since Wrath.

[potent pivot]

You can create an account so it lists everything properly

[safe pelican]

Bad hands ??

You def need like 7 hands to play outlaw Zan i would say you need 3-4 to play sub

Damn i didn’t even know about checkpvp swear i learn something knew from you guys everyday that’s op for LFG nice

[warped gate]

It's all good, all I do is Shuffle so I'm not gonna be looking anyone up and couldn't care less who looks me up either.

[warm bronze]

What’s stat prior in outlaw. I’m seeing people stack mastery on murkio. Is that a thing?

[warped gate]

I had one bro who still plays WoW after my multi-expansion break, and he doesn't even play with me anymore, feels bad man.

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[warped gate]

The dudes stacking mastery are prolly just fucking around or experimenting.

[warm bronze]

Thank you!!

[graceful ravine]

Time to try sub for blitz, starting from 0 cr 🫡

Back to being a ninja

[indigo hill]

They really need to reverd the nerf on Outlaw for pvp

[dapper chasm]

Arthritis and shit - can get anyone

And that other one that betrays the body's degeneracy - carpal tunnel iirc

[candid tide]

i have hardcore rsi lol

its on my shoulder and wrist area

the inflammation obstruct brain signals to the hands and fingers

need to do stretch exercise per game or else hand/fingers wont function

posture matters

[formal crystal]

Huh?

ah i read the opposite xd i thought u said nerf outlaw haha

[quaint cedar]

I don't think the nerf mattered at all

I haven't noticed a difference

[formal crystal]

i just notice i cant get over 1.5k c:

skill issue

[quaint cedar]

lol

I think you said you're new to outlaw right?

[formal crystal]

yuppp only playeed it for a week or two :p

[quaint cedar]

yeah it has a big learning curve

[formal crystal]

its crazy fun tho

goes pewpew

but idk im not sure how to improve other than playing

[quaint cedar]

yeah nothing else in the game even comes close to outlaw for me, it is just so much more fun

[formal crystal]

so i try to spam games but its annoying to find new groups

[formal crystal]

yesssssir

but i remember like 2 or 3 expansions ago when i did sub rogue and some outlaw rouge just ran circles around me perma shooting me

and i could never catch him lol

[quaint cedar]

BG blitz is pretty spammable rn and you can learn some of the basics there

[formal crystal]

but outlaw is more constant fighting

rather than going for resets right

[quaint cedar]

outlaw does well with either objectives or team fights, though I usually focus objectives

actually outlaw benefits quite a lot from restealths now because of crackshot

and you can keep ADR up as long as you stay in stealth

[formal crystal]

but like comming out of stealth we should ambush as much as possible with pistol shots when it gets "buffed" right? if i understand it right thats our only "burst"

[quaint cedar]

so it works well with BGs

[formal crystal]

me not going crackshot :p

[quaint cedar]

ahhh

Not going crackshot is going to make it harder for you because you get less CDR and less burst

Are you playing GSW?

Trickster or Fatebound?

[formal crystal]

oh wait wat i didnt even realize, ADR doesnt "go on cd" while stealth / subterfudge

[quaint cedar]

yes

[formal crystal]

trickster

GSW greenskin's wicker? if so yes

[quaint cedar]

yes

okay well I guess you would just build cps spend on bte and then pistol after when you have an opportunity proc

and prioritize KS since you're trickster

but yeah you're gimping yourself by not playing crackshot

[formal crystal]

can you dumb it town to me haha im not too good with abbreviastions

whats bte and ks haha

[quaint cedar]

haha sorry, I'm not either I just got used to them

BTE = Between the Eyes
KS = Killing Spree

[formal crystal]

ah right right yeah

yeah i get slice and dice, sinister strike until i can do BTE / KS otherwise i dont really use them lol

other than gap closing with coup the grace and updating slice and dice

and ofc cc with kidney

and if no ambush proc / buffed pistol shot ill use points for dispatch

[quaint cedar]

yeah you're going to want to farm BTE back as soon as possible if you're playing greenskin

[formal crystal]

yesssir

[dusky widget]

Solo RBG took 4min queue for me at 1k6, and you at higher ?

[quaint cedar]

sorry I'd offer more advice but it's a weird build that isn't really "meta"

[formal crystal]

yeah no problems :p the meta is just ccing someone and spamming BTE right?

[quaint cedar]

well yeah with your build you'd want to focus on CCing stuff (especially healers), press BTE whenever it is off CD, and then pistol after that when you have an oppotunity proc

[formal crystal]

but idk like the crackshot thing is also very fun but i felt like whenever i come out of stealht i just get perma CC'd and never had the chance to use it

[quaint cedar]

In that case you might not be CCing enough

[formal crystal]

fair

[quaint cedar]

If in 3s/shuffle stun both dps with cheap so you don't get insta peeled

[formal crystal]

btw when u say opportunity proc

u mean when pistol shot gets buffed right

[quaint cedar]

that's the pewpewpew proc

[formal crystal]

like the glowing

[quaint cedar]

yeah

[formal crystal]

xd yeah

see my commitment to the pewpew

[quaint cedar]

on my screen it looks like this

[surreal barn]

Then garrote and oh and then ambush or your deathstalker mark doesn’t get applied, oh and you better rupture before subterfuge is done or it won’t apply to more than one person

[formal crystal]

this one for me right

[dusky widget]

why we have to open with x2 garrot ?

[formal crystal]

outlaw

we dont garrote c:

[surreal barn]

Yeah I know I’m just venting lol

[quaint cedar]

btw when you are doing crackshot, if you have opportunity procs stored up you can do your rotation from range which reduces the chance of getting peeled by melee. unless you get fucked over by ace not proccing or something