pvp

[potent pivot]

Blitz fixed

Should grant progress towards the mount now

[runic trench]

what damage text addon do you guys use?

[potent pivot]

I don’t use one

Some people use classic numbers

Can probably google “damage text addons wow” and check all of them out

[graceful ravine]

I don’t even got dmg numbers enabled

I find them distracting and unhelpful

[safe pelican]

damge text?

my enemys health bar lol

[sleek belfry]

agreed

[severe hazel]

should haved made the pvp weapon quest track seasonal points 😡

[warped gate]

Whenever that happens I just leave the queue and start over.

Sometimes I'll get an instant pop, but often times I'll get a pop in a more reasonable time.

[graceful ravine]

gimme my r1 title!

bro wtf i joined a blitz and the game already started by 2 minutes??

is this a thing

im so confused

[jolly sierra]

dude how u are so high there lol

[graceful ravine]

top fragg baby lfggg

sin blitz is so much fun lol

more enjoyable than the usual base sitter/ninja

[jolly sierra]

assa in blitz is funny af

when u toss it into a teamfight

w the mass silence and high cleave dmg

[pearl patrol]

anyone have any idea id sub or assa is better for 2's?

[graceful ravine]

if you had to ask that question, probably assa

sub is harder to play

[pearl patrol]

okay fs do you play any assa? having a bit of trouble pumping kill damage

[graceful ravine]

dot everything

use vanish/meld when both targets are off stun DR, cheapshot/garrote both

[jolly sierra]

dot everything

x2

[graceful ravine]

if its melee/healer, id focus the healer so you can ideally cleave both

[pearl patrol]

so in 2's for instance should I have garrote and rupture up on both targets then just focus the ovthers with envenom etc?

[graceful ravine]

if you focus the melee, the healer will stay 30+ yds away

[pearl patrol]

okay makes sense

[graceful ravine]

yea pretty much

rip shuffle queues

[pearl patrol]

okay got it thank u

[graceful ravine]

another banger lets goooo

on a sick win streak this week lol

[jolly sierra]

oof

how lucky

[warped gate]

Me after a hard day of Solo Shuffle:

[deft dawn]

damn this one hits

[stoic spruce]

That's what I'm sayin

Like

How are you bitching about you "outplaying the opponent" every time but you still go negative

I don't understand

You're not as good as you think

It's like that in every discord tho so w/e

[graceful ravine]

its just a meme relax

[stoic spruce]

A meme that encapsulates what happens every other day

[warped gate]

I bet you're pretty fun at parties.

[stoic spruce]

You'd win that bet

Also

I love how me agreeing with the meme put me in the wrong somehow

🦗

[simple gale]

Is engineering tinkers work in bg blitz if yes what should i use?

[foggy sand]

Has anyone ~~better ~~ more experienced tested Outlaw fatebound vs trickster in pvp?

Saw majority of high folk are running Fatebound but saw some clips where Trickster did some work

I'm not at a level of execution to really dish it down to the build differences myself

[pearl dune]

Trickster theoretically does more if played optimally and also forces killing spree

In shuffle killing spree is really good to avoid damage and shit but can suck

Sometimes fatebound high rolls and does a shit load of damage too

[foggy sand]

I was kind of struggling with damage output and trickster + killing spree seems to be working out better for me

...Or it could just be me finally learning the stuff, I am super beginner with pvp after all

[wintry dew]

This is fire, good job man

[rocky vale]

Why does murlok io show ppl with 2400rating shuffle when nobody has that

[rocky vale]

Kinda depressing you only get 23 rating with an 500+ mmr diff

[indigo hill]

They don't work.

[potent pivot]

It’s been showing people’s rating from last season and shit since launch

It’s kind of an unreliable source of info this early on the season

[potent pivot]

Yes, many of us have. Fatebound does more damage. Trickster isn’t terrible, but kinda meh. Nimble Flurry also breaks CC which is kinda annoying.

[runic trench]

anyone have a good omnicd profile they wouldnt mind sharing

[candid tide]

u can take whaazz profile

[potent pivot]

Think you have to sub for that

[potent pivot]

OmniCD: teamate cds (not finalized)
ff1YUToiq0FO2kWpWW2MS5UXTsUlUzZirCivJepSaCu7FFNH0OUIZ848qdGe(awE3MRFZaB2fTmylvWkMImoD9AXv)pm)80anXE5cg)KkfWsW(18E4FRPybM1pw9em3rfRj)EGh8hRtmRkSu2CEFHfxozeJtWRWsNqi19mQxj0cvdjvk59HJsTaodldYbLsW90kZGHBjLJDI(gQVBqzAeK9ktJQuA613fXqYrakaylYK)LvR3rP6LjoW7XQlV8OLM3ClJPmE)8Cb5GdZMrsbE18(wLknWs2UIwF7OqhbxSG3inK6gjBoqBPisHWEKfB2qhfBYD4abzRxPx2pYXBybpJ(F9CR93CUnQcWBHiE4yN17F6O7QD3x)j

That’s nahj’s

[runic trench]

thx

[candid tide]

im subbed idd

[potent pivot]

Idk how I feel about subbing for such a small amount of customization

[candid tide]

i wouldnt either if it wasnt for 3 bucks only

he answers questions on his server tho

[orchid plinth]

I think there is worse stuff to throw your money at than content creators playing the game you like while also getting something from it!

[spring bough]

First solo blitz Que and we got a win trading healer leaving the game

Love to see it

Can they hotfix so the games end if someone leaves before it starts????

[potent pivot]

Maybe they dced or had an emergency?

[spring bough]

Def not this dude was jumping around and left 10 seconnds before match started

Either way a 6v8 or 7v8 match shouldn’t even start

[potent pivot]

I agree with that part for sure

[spring bough]

Lost 10 rating cause of that great start lol

[potent pivot]

Usually win traders just play like shit on purpose though don’t they

[spring bough]

I have them in solo where they pop all major CDs before match starts

[potent pivot]

Like they usually at least try to avoid getting their account actioned

Yeah I’ve seen those as well

[spring bough]

Got an early weekend tho so bout to farm up a ton of bloodstones for gold 😂

[lone anvil]

What is this and how do I implement this?

(I have the omniCD addon just don't know how these things fully work yet)

[potent pivot]

There should be an import somewhere if you open the settings of the addon

[lone anvil]

Do we have macros in the Pins

I'm supposed to macro cold blood to envenom right?

Any other significant macros for assassination rogue

[orchid plinth]

Do people even play Cold Blood to begin with? No?

I think the only valid Cold Blood macro is to Secret Technique, in PvE.

[potent pivot]

we haven't really been using cold blood

they macro it to envenom in PvE

[lone anvil]

I have only done solo shuffle and I Noticed that after the first person dies it ends the match. They don't let people try and clutch the 2v3, which is rare but it does happen. I figured that was to save time because they have 6 rounds to play in shuffle.

Are the other arenas like that too? Where it ends after one person dies?

[potent pivot]

nope

[surreal barn]

That double cold blood on fatebound looks so fun too

[waxen meteor]

No only in solo shuffle

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

That's good to know

[potent pivot]

in 2v2/3v3 the losing team either has to give up or all die

[waxen meteor]

Yeah it’s to save time and it indeed defines winning and losing for 95% of the cases correctly

[lone anvil]

I like that

[potent pivot]

yeah but tbh i don't think it's been catching on

[lone anvil]

Sure I can understand why you'd do it with 6 rounds

[waxen meteor]

The only drawback I have seen is when two guys die at same time, it just counts as both parties lose

It should probably let people finish in that case

Or count as both parties win

[lone anvil]

But also, its satisfying to come back and clutch a 1v2 or 2v3

[waxen meteor]

For customer happiness

[surreal barn]

It hasn’t. I love the way it doesn’t blow on anything other than a specific skill

[potent pivot]

takes a lot of time though

[waxen meteor]

Yeah especially when rogue really wants to win

Reset for 50 mins

Other people be like mhhhhh

[lone anvil]

I remember one time I DCd in a 2v2 and logged back in and we had the win. And my partner didn't even realize I DCd he said " I thought you were there with me and went in with the full confidence of you having my back" lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah but it’s kinda really boring for others to be honest

Like when you do 2s both dps die

You got healer vs healer game

It’s kinda…

Most times I would rather have my healer just quits and let’s go next game

[lone anvil]

Like I said earlier.

I can understand why they have it the way in shuffle it makes sense

[waxen meteor]

lol and that’s probably why I prefer go rogue/mage or sp over healer

[lone anvil]

Yeah I prefer double DPS too tbh, even at the risk of being off meta

I've ran Ret/Boom. Ele/Boom. Ele/Destro all in 2s. High risk high reward burst or Bust

You come out the gates swinging and either drop someone in seconds or it's a wrap

[surreal barn]

That rogue/SP is so strong right now 😂

[waxen meteor]

I am so stuck at work these weeks or I will have my sp up to do 2s with you hah

[surreal barn]

Even double shadowpriest

Is nuts

[surreal barn]

We’ll make an end of season run

I feel like shadowpriests have just gotten so much more oppressive

You can’t let them sit there for longer than 5 seconds in a bg either

[waxen meteor]

I think you have to move now

Against sp

Their hero talent does a bunch more dmg if you don’t move

Per reading only lol

[surreal barn]

I blame MM for our current versions of shadowpriest, frost mage and devastation

[proud spire]

can u double stack this?

[potent pivot]

yes

wait

the enchant or embellishment

[proud spire]

embellish

[surreal barn]

Just get one

[potent pivot]

you can, but it's not the best

but that emb is a lil meh

[surreal barn]

The golden glow doesn’t go with the death and despair that is all rogue mogs either

Just saying 🤷‍♂️

[waxen meteor]

My rogue gets one shotted by MM once too

[potent pivot]

wait that one isn't even nerubian is it

you have to actually double it up

[waxen meteor]

lol I was like literally just opening his teammate at other side of arena and healer not cced

So I wasn’t using any defensive

then I died at my pillar

[surreal barn]

I didn’t test that I just got an 80% versatility enchant for the other

But yeah not nerubian

[potent pivot]

yeah i think you'd have to put 1 on each weapon or something

[surreal barn]

Unseen blade procs that shit so much

[wintry axle]

why are we not running this as sub?

[potent pivot]

because it's kinda piss

[torpid bough]

do we know the new timer of unbound spoil in EU ? or is it full random now ?

[potent pivot]

check the wowhead page comments

it's not random

idk spawn times for eu

[surreal barn]

I feel like the grip is better in certain conditions like if you have a disc healer

It’s not good to rely on that though

[potent pivot]

looks like it's 6/12 for eu

6am/pm 12am/pm

[surreal barn]

Makes so little difference anyways

[torpid bough]

idk before reset it was 0h and each +6h but it kinda changed on reset ... will look at 18h if it's again the same 👍

[potent pivot]

the wowhead comments

read em

[lone anvil]

Wait wait wait wait

Is rogue + shadow priest actually strong ATM?

[torpid bough]

I read them but the newest one says its random ... 5days ago was for sure NA reset

[lone anvil]

My best friend mains SP and we figured one of us would have to play healer or do 3s to do well

[potent pivot]

ye so it's probably random now

[potent pivot]

depends on how high you're trying to take it

you can get 1800 as anything really

[surreal barn]

What do you consider doing well

[lone anvil]

Bruh I have zero expectations. I used to be a 1800 2s player back in wrath and haven't played in 12 years and I'm maining a rogue now and I mained Ret and Ele back then

Let's just say I'm not expecting to be a top frag giga Chad overnight

[surreal barn]

I’d do 3s with a healer then

Stay alive long enough to learn and then do your twos

[lone anvil]

Is solo shuffle good for learning

[surreal barn]

The dampening changes the game a lot

[lone anvil]

It seems hard to know when to CC since you aren't on coms and can't call out your blinds and whatnot

[proud spire]

no

[lone anvil]

What happening, apologies

Also if anyone wants to square up and duel with me and help me improve is hella appreciate it

I used to duel a lot when I played paladin and it made me a better player

I'm trying to get smooth wit it

[surreal barn]

Shuffle is good to learn skills and how to react to them but it’s way different than 3s

[potent pivot]

playing shuffle is good for learning how to play shuffle

lol

[proud spire]

some classes/specs are just better for shuffle than others

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

[lone anvil]

I've noticed lol

[proud spire]

Biggest push in skill is done in 2s with a healer

[potent pivot]

i'd definitely say it's in 3s

[lone anvil]

I have way more experience in 2s

[proud spire]

3s is way too overwhelming for a new player

[potent pivot]

or do you mean just for learning

[lone anvil]

But I don't mind 3s

[potent pivot]

ah ok

i mistook what you said as "it takes more skill" etc

[surreal barn]

I feel like that’s where shuffle helps as far as seeing the shitshow of spells and abilities all going off at once

[proud spire]

Shuffle as sub is a cringe fest with the current damage

[lone anvil]

I'm an expert at giving my cat little forehead kisses. Will that experience help me

[surreal barn]

lol

I hate it

And assa is so great until you can’t seal the deal

[lone anvil]

I haven't tried sub since I've been back. I used to play combat/ subtlety.

Tried outlaw when I first returned and it was alright then I tried assassination and it was 10x better. Plus I'm a slut for a good DoT build in any game

I've been meaning to try sub too. I know it has a higher potential in coordinated groups.

[surreal barn]

Run out of imp garrotes and you are fucked

[proud spire]

^

Ur legit just a sitting duck

[lone anvil]

Yesterday I got very close to getting my first 1v2 in a BG. It was vs a hunter and rogue. I killed the hunter and got the rogue to 30%.

But I still get folded in shuffle lol

[potent pivot]

IC change will help with that imo

IG/IC changes

[proud spire]

PLay sub before its gone soon

Shadowdust nerf is GG for that shit

[potent pivot]

Nah

It’ll be fine

3 symbols charges and the ER charges

I think it’s going to be quite strong

[proud spire]

Them double kick kidneys gouges gone forever

[potent pivot]

Yeah that part does suck

[lone anvil]

If we could turn back time

To the good ole days

[potent pivot]

But really that shit is a little too good

[lone anvil]

Where rogues tucked bots to sleep

[stoic spruce]

🔥🔥🔥

[potent pivot]

https://youtu.be/UBzqelZsCss?si=bxNT2QQsN9uQ5kYZ

Venruki saying Evoker and frost mages are OP and need nerfs

[proud spire]

I can only keep up with them on sub

And JUST barely

[potent pivot]

Playing against either of them as most melee is terrible

[proud spire]

The damage is my gripe

They'll out damage most dps if they get free enough

[fading blade]

Chasing those classes are always a bad time

God bless they let their healers die

[proud spire]

Proof them gods can bleed tho

Stole Grands 2.4k game this morning

[potent pivot]

I’ll be surprised if they leave them in this state for awc

[fading blade]

Rogue will get nerfed first

You know the script guys

Venruki keeping aff’s safe

EU leaderboard so inflated compared to NA, need more Q’ers

[lone anvil]

Can I get your guys' opinion on some gearing information I saw in a YT video

https://youtu.be/OtrM5R6T2fA?si=olYxEShtBQPGEoz0

Now the video is an affliction warlock guide. But if you skip to 12:30 where he talks about gear (it's time stamped down below)

He mentions some things about gear, enchants and embellishmenta that seems different/ to contradict some of the information in our gearing pin in the discord. And I was wondering

1. Everyone's thoughts on if they agree with the points he's making.
2. If maybe we should update the gearing guide

[potent pivot]

9/10 times they’re wrong unless made by well known players

[lone anvil]

That's fair

[potent pivot]

the nerubian embellishments he brings up that are available to us right now are also trash

later on when we can craft super high ilvl pve embellishments, those might be better

[lone anvil]

Gotcha

Thanks for taking time to watch and reply

[potent pivot]

np

the thing is rn

all the readily available and tested embels just suck

we haven't been able to test the pve embels at high ilvl yet to see if they will be worth

a lot of classes are using ascension

but that takes 80 seconds to fully stack, and dropping combat resets stacks so you start the 80 seconds over again

so it's sort of uniquely bad for rogue

[dull bridge]

we're in the endgame now

[potent pivot]

Yeah all we can do is wait

[dull bridge]

it already has, outlaw at that too

[potent pivot]

They don’t usually do tuning during mythic week I think

I would definitely expect tuning once the rwf is over though

[dull bridge]

ive been having success with the focusing lens embellishment on outlaw. consistently 5% of my damage.

[potent pivot]

yeah it's prolly not too bad for outlaw

assa needs all the vers it can get especially rn

maybe it'll feel less squishy once fully geared

[surreal barn]

I don’t think so lol

Would feel infinitely better with soothing darkness

[long steppe]

What meta gem is for pvp?

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

enduring or w/e

[long steppe]

Thanks

[zenith lynx]

Are there any Sub macros that I should use? I feel like the opener is rather chaotic for me and could use some help

[potent pivot]

mostly just symbols+badge

[zenith lynx]

badge is the pvp trinket, right?

[potent pivot]

you can use a big macro with all CDs, but would still need separate binds for the spells too

yeah badge is the dps trinket

[severe hazel]

guys i need some input about gearing. im at 800 pts now and considering buying the ring which leaves me at 275. thats just enough to get chest next week and catalyst it. the week after chest we dont get a charge anyways and i save 600 points. so the week after that when we get a catalyst again i have 1200 pts rdy to get gloves and catalyst them

anything bad about my plan?

[potent pivot]

Ye ring is fine if you have enough for chest next week

Just buy heraldries to craft it

[graceful ravine]

oh is that a better idea? ive been saving this week to buy tier next week, another tier the week after that

but we dont get a catalyst charge?

[feral inlet]

Is it wise to craft daggers? Or just wait for weapons next week?

[severe hazel]

what makes the crafted ring better than the conq one?

@feral inlet wait 100%

[feral inlet]

Alright that’s what I thought

[potent pivot]

we do

[graceful ravine]

do we get enough charges for the 4th tier piece tho

[potent pivot]

he has enough conq to buy ring this week AND chest next week

no

4th charge is 2 more weeks after next

but you still want to buy chest next week

it's a big agi piece

[potent pivot]

more mastery than the conq one

[graceful ravine]

i have 800 rn, should be enough to buy a ring now and chest next week?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[candid tide]

whaazz said, ideally u want a one shot macro, but u need to have all those abilties binded separately too, nahj said the same but he also add that do not add tea into your oneshot macro because u might accidently press it twice

[severe hazel]

ok i will check stats. i dont think its worth the gold for me. im not super min maxing. i have like 20k gold after coming back to the game xd

[potent pivot]

ah

[potent pivot]

literally what i said :d

[feral inlet]

I was also looking at builds and icey veins says death stalker but it looks like most people are doing fatebound. Is it mostly because fatebound is better in bg blitz?

[potent pivot]

most people are using deathstalker

the only thing you're seeing on murlok/drustvar are the talents people logged out using

[graceful ravine]

why crafted ring over the conq one?

[potent pivot]

better stats

[feral inlet]

Ahh ok

[potent pivot]

all crafted gear has =/= stats, whereas the conq gear has higher vers lower mast/crit/haste

so everyone is crafted rings

if you need more vers later you'd just use conq neck > crafted neck, just as an example

[dull bridge]

dont use icy veins for pvp its garbage. you can use murlok.io or seramate to see what top pvpers are running

[feral inlet]

Alright will do

[potent pivot]

even murlok and similar sites are kinda bad right now

[zenith lynx]

do you have the macro saved or should I go look online?

[potent pivot]

they usually get more reliable a few weeks after season start

[potent pivot]

i can DM it to you

[candid tide]

#showtooltip shadow dance
/cast Forged Aspirant's Badge of Ferocity
/cast shadow dance
/cast symbols of death

i personally press tea and shadowblades separately

[potent pivot]

/use 13
/cast Symbols of Death
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance```

[zenith lynx]

thank you all very much :)

[severe hazel]

@potent pivot where can i see the stats of crafted gear sir?

[potent pivot]

it's legit just mast = vers

sec

[severe hazel]

i see

[potent pivot]

you gotta add missives to it to choose the stats

[dull bridge]

deathstalker assa is better imo but also more fussy, if your marks get bopped/bubbled/cloaked off and you don't have vanish you're basically playing without hero talents until you get vanish

[severe hazel]

well in the end if points dont matter anymore i can get this one instead of the crit vers if i farmed some gold with blood stones

i guess we want those 2 in the long run anyways

1x conq 1x crafted

[potent pivot]

the deathstalker's mark itself isn't super important

[potent pivot]

2x crafted

they aren't unique equip

[severe hazel]

ayy i see

so in the end we basically craft everything anyways xd

same goes for neck for example if i understand everything

[potent pivot]

for sub yeah neck too

[lost anvil]

Yo. is it normal that im unable to kill healers, especially priests, on 1v1?

i mean

i may be able to drop them to like 30%, once, but they just get insta full hp

i've been dueling with a friend that plays disc, he had zero pvp gear, i was full pvp gear and could not even make a dent

[potent pivot]

in general healer 1v1s have always been a pain

[jolly sierra]

ye

they are not debuffed by dampening compared to bgs

[potent pivot]

disc is kinda op rn as well

[jolly sierra]

bah

arena

dampening is the reason they can die there

a lot of times in outdoor i ending fleeing because they never died after u stunned them

[graceful ravine]

anyone know if ice wall is LOS for the mage too?

[jolly sierra]

ye it is

[graceful ravine]

mage is able to cap from the other side of the ice wall

OP shit lol

[jolly sierra]

cap flags?

[graceful ravine]

nodes yea

[jolly sierra]

the los only applies w targeting tho

in a skirmish yesterday i was into a 1v1 vs a sub

he lose because both lost patience and went for the sight and because i was pillar hugging and autoattacking him through it

dunno how but seems abilities are the only affected things

[outer sky]

bruh 😦

[graceful ravine]

am i stupid? how do i put a gem on an item

im right clicking it and nothing happens

[potent pivot]

shift right click

[graceful ravine]

ha oh

ops

juicy

[potent pivot]

[graceful ravine]

i regret buying this for assa, shouldve gotten the other one

[lone anvil]

From what I understand from studying content:

Evoker, R druid, disc and R shaman are all competitive ATM. The issue with R shaman is button bloat, so while it has a lot of potential, it's hard to pick up and the most challenging to master. (Its also very macro dependent) So it's under represented even though containing a lot of potential...but RLS still probably slaps in 3s if you have an r shammy who knows what hes doing

And R druid isnt in the gutter it's just hard countered by evoker. So that's why evoker and disc are a step above

[severe hazel]

generous question where do ppl get tons of gold from? like all that crafting enchanting etc at max rank is like multiple 100ks ??

just buying gold or?

[dull bridge]

rdruid looks pretty bad atm

[outer sky]

I sell 1800 carries towards the end of the season to people who cant get 1800 on their own but want the elite set

[lone anvil]

I got 2v4d in open world by a rDruid/ fury warrior the other day lmao and that druid was a fucking unit

[potent pivot]

there's all kinds of stuff you can do to farm gold

[severe hazel]

im selling the stones right now instead of gemming my gear i guess

@outer sky in 2s?

[dull bridge]

open world doesn't matter

[outer sky]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

professions, farming old instances for raw gold, world quests, etc

[lone anvil]

rDruid is limited in rated BGs cause it can only life bloom a few targets but I thought R druid was still strong in arenas, especially 2s

[outer sky]

Its good it's just not as good as disc or pres

[lone anvil]

I would say if rDruid wasn't hard countered by pres in tandem with pres being the flavor of the month it wouldn't look nearly as bad

Its strong, it's just not the right meta for rDruid to shine

IMO

I also think they keep buffing evoker and not nerfing them cause those Dragons look ugly as hell and no one wanted to play them

[outer sky]

Disc is a solid step above pres now after the nerfs to pres

That was 20% to their biggest heal

Not insignificant at all

It's also easier to troll a provoker

Root him and he can't VE

And they die way easier than disc

[lone anvil]

I heard Hpally getting buffs/reworks

[outer sky]

Hpally needs to be deleted from the game

The game in general is so much more fun when paladins of all specs are bad

[lone anvil]

First class I mained was paladin

[outer sky]

And the way Hpal is designed is just garbage. If it's ever good then it's decent into casters and downright broken into melee. And if it's bad it's just kinda good into melee and dogshit into casters

And how obnoxious it is to play against is way too dependant on whether or not you have a purge on your team

Just dumpster the whole class

Or add a downside to bubble where after it ends you automatically alt-f4

[lone anvil]

I mained ret from classic -wotlk and it was never in a meta 2s comp once.

Top was always warrior/healer. Mage/rogue. Mage/disc rogue/disc or affl/resto

So take a class like rogue that's always in the meta

[jolly sierra]

i hate hpals in both my team and against

[lone anvil]

You should be grateful

[jolly sierra]

fkn hpals are very inefficient managing mana and are useless against casters w inmunities

[candid tide]

ret rog was s tier in cata

[jolly sierra]

w my ret they always overlap my inmunities

[lone anvil]

Well I quit before that happened

[jolly sierra]

they sucks

[lone anvil]

But my point is rogue always has a place in top comps

And he's complaining cause paladins are strong every so often

[graceful ravine]

zug zug brother

[indigo hill]

Why is it only WW monks that say WW monk is not OP?

Gratz

[outer sky]

They're rarely meta because their kit is tuned towards countering melee and against casters They're generally pretty shit. A healthy meta has a mix of both so you don't want a healer that's going to get fucked by half the comps you queue into. That does not mean that it isn't thoroughly obnoxious versus the other half though.

[jolly sierra]

because if they doesnt keefer they are not op

i fucking hate rshams in SS too

[outer sky]

Because only WW monks deal with the problems that WW monk has.

[surreal barn]

Deathstalker or fatebound

[lone anvil]

People's opinions of strong classes will always be formed by the class they play

[graceful ravine]

im assa so fatebound

[lone anvil]

My friend mains a hunter and thinks mages are easy to fight

I get fucked by a frost mage

[indigo hill]

WW without Keefer is less mobile but its definetely still crazy strong.

[potent pivot]

gross

[indigo hill]

Maybe not against caster but definetly against melee.

[outer sky]

Well mages say that because they get countered by hunters that therefore they have to counter every other class to be balanced lol

[outer sky]

They didn't just lose keefers

Flying serpent kick had it's CD increased by 50%

And roll had it's CD increased by 3s

[potent pivot]

if you're participating in team fights you should really try Caustic Spatter+Deathstalker

deathstalker rupture also spins bases

[indigo hill]

They got clash instead. Which can pull players from from all kinds of places. They also got the knock up from WDP. Don't think monk is suffering allot atm from the changes.

[outer sky]

Their damage profile also changed. They don't "chunk" you anymore. It's a bunch of little hits that happen very quickly and they're reliant on procs now

[outer sky]

Clash is garbage. It's on a 1m CD and the roots don't have damage protection from breaking. It also doesn't work half the time. And when it doesn't work it consumes the CD anyway

Like imagine if you tried to step to someone and they were out of range

Or you were rooted

Or whatever

And step went on CD

That's what happens with clash

[indigo hill]

Grappling hook has the same problem. Doesnt work at times and goes on cd.

[outer sky]

That's a much shorter CD though

[indigo hill]

But that is more bug related. When the ability works its great.

[outer sky]

For a 1m CD the root from clash needs some damage protection

It's certainly no compensation for their lost mobility

They suffer as much as we do into this untouchable ranged dps meta

[indigo hill]

Compared to something like a fear the root is pretty much useless. Fear takes too long to break imo.

Ranged, especially frost and aff are pretty crazy. Mage has too much mobility.

[outer sky]

The WDP knock up is nice but it's way better against casters than melee. Also WDP can only be used when both rising sun kick and fists of fury are on CD and both of those abilities are short CDs with a lot of built in CDR

So you can't say to your team that you have a knock up for the go

It's like impossible to plan for

[graceful ravine]

i rarely mutilate in team fights, FOK > all

[potent pivot]

you only mutilate once every 10 seconds and the extra dmg is insane

[worthy crag]

ww ezmode

[graceful ravine]

interesting

[rain crown]

I’m pretty sure ww was given more mobility than they lost this xpac

And are tankier

[outer sky]

Well you're wrong

[potent pivot]

yeh at least give it a shot, and put some envenoms/KB into your Spattered target to cleave them. i've had Spatter do my top dmg

[outer sky]

WW is good it's just not exempt from getting absolutely rekt by this frost/dev/MM meta

[rain crown]

A lot of the main monk talents that were buffed were mobility related

[outer sky]

Such as?

[rain crown]

I’d have to look

[potent pivot]

deathstalker buffing bleeds is also insane for team fights

[outer sky]

Well when you do let me know because I was 2500 on WW last season and I'm unaware of those talent changes

[rain crown]

@outer sky I’m wrong

[outer sky]

One change I'd like to see them make to WW is to add a single target stun with a shorter CD than Leg Sweep and put it on a choice node with leg sweep

[graceful ravine]

i can see this being strong if im cleaving 5+ targets

[rain crown]

I remember reading the prepatch notes and thinking holy shit but it’s really not much

[outer sky]

Yeah it's like nothing lol

[rain crown]

Have you played ww this xpac?

I’m leveling mine atm

[outer sky]

Yes. Doesn't feel as good as last season. It's still good though

[potent pivot]

Yeah. Corrupt the blood also makes rupture keep all targets in combat I think, so they can’t cap bases while rupture is on them

[rain crown]

Really, it seems busted when I fight it

[outer sky]

No matter what class I play this season the game play is the same. Sitting roots 90% of the game

[graceful ravine]

idt dots stops cap basing?

or is corrupt the blood different

[rain crown]

Yes thats been my experience as well

Trying to make arms war work in shuffle

[surreal barn]

Getting that mark back up late game sucks ass

[potent pivot]

Something about deathstalker stops capping and I’m pretty sure it’s corrupt

[surreal barn]

It’s the same shit that takes us out of stealth lol

[potent pivot]

Dots in general don’t but with deathstalker rupture does I’m pretty positive

[potent pivot]

That’s singular focus

[graceful ravine]

lol wtf all the assa rogues on murlok is overwhelmingly playing deathstalker

have i been doing it wrong

[potent pivot]

Imo yes

[graceful ravine]

looool fuck

[potent pivot]

Fatebound isn’t terrible but DS is really strong

[graceful ravine]

guess ill practice it in regular bgs first

but being locked to a target is annoying tho, esp if i have to ambush first

it should apply via garrote smh

[potent pivot]

You ambush any time during subterfuge

You still spread bleeds with IC

Ambush one target

Once you have bleeds up, keep Caustic up and throw in some envenoms or KB for Caustic cleave

[outer sky]

Aren't you over 2k in Solo Shuffle?

That's pretty good right now

If fatebound is working for you then it's working for you

[potent pivot]

We’re talking about team fighting in blitz afaik

[outer sky]

Ah ok

[graceful ravine]

thing is i dont take KB and i dont envenom spam, fok - > rupture on all targets - > crimson - > envenom

ill try it out without kb tho

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s only if you try caustic I’d recommend kb/env after bleeds/CT

[graceful ravine]

internal bleeding is big dmg too since im rupturing everything

[potent pivot]

It’s weird applying it with mut every 10sec etc

Yeah IB is still good too

I’ve just seen Caustic pop the fuck off in certain scenarios

[graceful ravine]

corrupt the blood is truly OP if it stops flag caps

[brazen spear]

what's the focus macros that we must use, i put a kick, blind and shadowstep i should have one more else ?

[potent pivot]

It’s either corrupt the blood or it’s just singular focus stopping your marked target from capping

But everyone says sub spins caps now with DS

So afaik it was corrupt the blood

[potent pivot]

You can have focus for every cc but it’s not a hard requirement

[brazen spear]

okay, i put this 3 because i think some stuns like kidney we use more on target

[graceful ravine]

damn every top rogue has been playing DS for shuffle too

haha im behind the meta whoops

time to switch cos im a meta slave

[potent pivot]

Fatebound is still decent in arenas, easier to use for most people

[graceful ravine]

so i can just leave a max rank rupture on someone, 28+ secs, vanish and they cant cap the base?

[potent pivot]

that's my assumption. i haven't tried that specifically

[graceful ravine]

ah i have to use deadly poison too?

[potent pivot]

for caustic you would yeah

[outer sky]

Generally you want a focus macro for step and for everything you might want to do after you step. Step>kick, step>kidney, step>cheap. So step, kidney, cheap, and kick. Also definitely want a focus for blind. You can have one for sap and gouge too if you want. I even have a focus macro for garrote for games where I'm not playing indiscriminate carnage so if I smoke bomb someone and the healer tries to run into it I can vanish and focus garrote the healer before he can get a heal off.

[graceful ravine]

ya thats a no for me, aoe MS is too good to give up

[brazen spear]

alright, thanks mate

i have some problems so im playing outlaw because i like off meta, is that something like this specific for outlaw ?

[outer sky]

I'm not sure I understand the question

[brazen spear]

like garrote macros etc

[outer sky]

Oh

[potent pivot]

thats assa specific

[outer sky]

No

Yeah that's just for assass

Disregard if playing sub or outlaw

[brazen spear]

yes, that's what I meant, if there is any specific one for outlaw

[graceful ravine]

• sudden demise is so good for assa

idk why i havent tried this before lmao

[brazen spear]

alright, thank you again

[potent pivot]

naw not really

[jolly sierra]

when i played my WW as alt, something i really hated to play against were hunters and mages

[dapper chasm]

So I hit 80 - and feel scammed

This is basically dragonflight but with MORE PASSIVES

[jolly sierra]

assa dream

[dapper chasm]

I was wondering if I should create UI elements to track the free coup de grace and stuff - but then realised it's not even worth tracking

[jolly sierra]

are u fatebound?

[dapper chasm]

None of this new stuff is worth paying attention to

I just swapped, was trickster leveling up

Distract was pretty OP

[jolly sierra]

ye outlaw related stuff is pasive

[dapper chasm]

I'm sub, I have over 100 IQ

[jolly sierra]

watch rick and morty then and raise it to 300

[dapper chasm]

I didn't get it, they talked about quantom this and space that

I only watch Friends and 2 and a Half Men

[jolly sierra]

ye u need more IQ for undertand their subtle jokes

like pickle rick

[dapper chasm]

I know a penis joke when I see one

[jolly sierra]

o

[dapper chasm]

And vagina jokes too

Unless the o is a penis head-on

[formal crystal]

my dps as outlaw is at top like 300k xdd

i must be doing something crazy wrong

[dapper chasm]

I did a 1 million Evis that made me smile, but I have those numbers mostly hidden

[jolly sierra]

o from oh

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, otherwise it would be
o
OO

Anyway, I wanted to say this xpac so far feels like a patch

Sub still feels ass without gas, but I got more icons next to everyone's unit frames now

[graceful ravine]

rupture doesnt count towards marked stacks??

[potent pivot]

wdym

you consume a stack any time you use a 5+ cp finisher

[worthy crag]

every offensive finisher at 5 or more cp

[graceful ravine]

ah ok mb i didnt have 5 cp

[plucky sage]

Should I hold on to my Forged Gladiator's Heraldry or just craft whatever I can?

[worthy crag]

spend em

[potent pivot]

Check the faq linked in the pins

You def wanna use em

[plucky sage]

aha I see

we can craft boots+X

and we choose boots over helm because we want to keep the head slot for Tier Set?

Bloody Tokens should be used on belt/cloak this week.

I used them on belt/cloak and bracers

turns out you can get all 3, idk if that was a mistake

[worthy crag]

Think that pin is speaking for week 1

when ppl had less blood tokebs

[potent pivot]

That was only made for week 1

But tells the options for heraldries

If not crafting a weapon then it’s kinda personal preference what you do after boots

[graceful ravine]

poor pugs fell victim to my DS testing

def takes a bit to get used to, applying the mark can get annoying

esp if im stuck in combat in a big team fight and im mark-less

i feel naked

[potent pivot]

not having a mark up isn't the end of the world

you still have more dmg on rupture, fok and ct etc

make sure you're consuming Darkest Night with a max cp envenom

to reset marks

[graceful ravine]

should i be consuming darkest night vs full hp targets with no garrote/rupture?

just to get the mark up there

or wait til full dots before consuming

assuming mid fight with no restealths

[potent pivot]

i think that depends more on how many dots total you have up

like if you're drowning in energy already just use envenom to swap the mark to a new target etc

you also get DN if your Marked target dies

so unless you have some down time you should never really run out of Marks

and if you have downtime you should be able to get off a restealth

[plucky sage]

Alright thanks! 😊

[dull bridge]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/538610-pvp-weapons-of-conquest-update/

weapon crafters are in shambles

[potent pivot]

how so

does that really even change anything

now we just get tokens to buy them off the vendor so we can change our mind which weapons we buy

instead of being locked into getting the rewards from the quest we signed up for initially

[dusky widget]

hi, we receive the dagger x2 or only x1 ?

[potent pivot]

so like now i'll be able to buy a sword for outlaw even though i picked up the daggers only quest

[orchid plinth]

It helps those who got fucked by getting conq before starting the quest, no? Big W

[potent pivot]

2x

[dusky widget]

noice

[potent pivot]

yeah it gets rid of the 'no retroactivity' of it

but i don't think it changes anything for people who crafted a weapon already

[jolly sierra]

good shit im buying the 2h sword and craft some shit w the ret

[plucky sage]

Time to reroll warrior for a cheap 2h weapon

[jolly sierra]

free sword nice

[surreal barn]

Yeah definitely getting the dagger and mace lol

Good change overall

[dull bridge]

the rewards changed anyways. i picked it up as assa and now it shows outlaw weapons

[plucky sage]

Why? Just curious

For mog?

[fallen scaffold]

feels wayyyy better than df

[potent pivot]

it didn't when i checked

[potent pivot]

not you too

[plucky sage]

Double dagger gang

[dull bridge]

some people were operating under the assumption that they were getting their non-bis weapons

[potent pivot]

we still kinda are though - stat wise

[surreal barn]

I mean so I can outlaw mh and dagger mh

Offhand doesn’t do much

[plucky sage]

Oh

Except force you into wonky mogs!

[surreal barn]

I do love a spiteblade mog

[formal crystal]

in 2v2's we go dismantle vs unholy dks right

[fallen scaffold]

i dont

disarming unholy seems kinda useless to me

[potent pivot]

yes

[fallen scaffold]

helps them not heal when theyre low

but i rather go for diff talent

[plucky sage]

I love a good death strike denial

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-pvp-weapons-of-conquest-chnage-346791?utm_source=discord-webhook

Oh boy

Good changes

Sorry if it was posted before

[potent pivot]

W changes though yes

[keen dune]

Anyone else craft a dagger last week ? 🫥

[indigo hill]

Am I the only one that bought the wpvp weapon?

[potent pivot]

Yeah - this change doesn’t really affect you though

It’s basically the same thing as before

Just more QoL in how it’s being done

[keen dune]

I didn’t realize the quest gave you 2 LMAO

At least my stats on MH are good

[potent pivot]

I tried to make that very well known

[keen dune]

My bad I only look in here every time I mess up

[formal crystal]

curious, i have no problems making honor at all

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[formal crystal]

but whats the fastest way to get honor

[plucky sage]

Quest never said "choose a reward", seemed pretty straightforward

[indigo hill]

The chnage according to wowhead.

[potent pivot]

2/3s if you win a lot

[indigo hill]

No one reads those.

[formal crystal]

like rated or just spam skirmish

[plucky sage]

I read every quest :)

[potent pivot]

[keen dune]

I turn off my pve read the quest brain when I pvp 😭

[potent pivot]

Rated

If u need honor for an alt or something

[formal crystal]

tyty wanna sell as much bloodstones as possible while they are still valuable heh

[potent pivot]

Spam BGs and hunt wpvp crates

[feral inlet]

So now for sure not crafting daggers

[potent pivot]

And kill bounties in wpvp

[chrome schooner]

One of the best ways is bounties

yeah exactly

[potent pivot]

We will still craft later yes

[formal crystal]

my goal is just to make gold haha so im mining / herb while queuing 2's rn

[keen dune]

Okay now I don’t feel bad! See I didn’t even have to read

[feral inlet]

So basically we get the free daggers which frees up some crafting space for armor and then later on craft weapons when we are geared out?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[feral inlet]

Gucci

[surreal barn]

I want all weapons free and unsellable

Give me more!

[feral inlet]

Is there any kind of crafting priority? Seems like rings would be a good place to start

[potent pivot]

Check the gear faq linked in the pins

[formal crystal]

i also thought about this but you prolly want set items first c:

[dusky widget]

ive seen few assa into rbgs playing kingsbane, is it viable or troll ?

[graceful ravine]

anyone got a WA for subterfuge?

[potent pivot]

Did you search on wago.io?

[feral inlet]

Ahh ok

[potent pivot]

It’s viable yeah, debatable whether or not it’s the best option

[graceful ravine]

yup

[potent pivot]

I can make one if you give me a bit

[graceful ravine]

tyty

[dull bridge]

if you use TellMeWhen it takes 3 seconds to make an icon to track any buff/debuff

not exagerrating

[potent pivot]

It’s also very fast to make a WA these days

Very similar to TMW

[graceful ravine]

thanks ill try this since i got other things i wanna make an icon for

[potent pivot]

Unless you want a really complex wa

[feral inlet]

Kinda leaning towards crafting ring/belt and buying pants and legs and picking shoulders for free piece at 1600

[formal crystal]

is there anyway to make it so that when their "immune" to cc runs out? when you can fully apply a kidney again

[potent pivot]

Pieces with agi > pieces without

[feral inlet]

Maybe belt then lol

[potent pivot]

Most people bought wpvp belt

[potent pivot]

You mean the stun DRs?

[feral inlet]

Ahh ok ya I saw you could do belt/bracers or cape

[potent pivot]

Gladius shows DRs

[formal crystal]

yessir

ah alright

[potent pivot]

Yeah personally I crafted blue heraldry bracers so I could go ahead and embellish them

[feral inlet]

Ahh ok ya that sounds like a good idea

So basically when gearing anything with agi should be priority over secondaries

When it comes to crafting and stuff like that

[potent pivot]

For the most part

And don’t craft for slots that you need to turn into tier set

Use conq vendor pieces for those slots

[feral inlet]

Gotcha

[dapper chasm]

What are the slots used in pvp for tier?

Also, do we still have the ability to buy conq gear and turn it to tier?

[potent pivot]

We do

[potent pivot]

It’s a toss up between not using gloves or helm atm

[feral inlet]

Looks like a lot of people going chest/pants/shoulders to start

[potent pivot]

So chest/legs/shoulders/gloves or helm

[dapper chasm]

I'm only planning to use 2 pieces

[feral inlet]

Ya for assassination at least 4pc seems a bit underwhelming but I’m no expert

[potent pivot]

I think everyone is planning on going 4p

[dapper chasm]

No, I'm a real man - sub spec

[potent pivot]

At least to test

[potent pivot]

Subs 4p is looking pretty good

[dapper chasm]

It's basically Flawless Form, right?

Shoulders seem like the optimal first piece

[surreal barn]

Shoulders are good

👍🏼

[dapper chasm]

Man, I miss resilience, back when using 2 piece was an actual commitment

Also, PvP gear is way too good for PvE

[potent pivot]

It’s similar

[jolly sierra]

in OG days u would be kicked from HC dungeons for using pvp stuff

[dapper chasm]

It's garbage from where I'm standing - I rarely do a full in with ST and other cds, finish up, and feel I want more damage on finishers

It's throwing a scented candle on a shit pile

Better to increase strengths than try and patch up weaknesses imo

Whereas the 2 set makes sense in a lot of situations

[potent pivot]

We’ve already been Teching early

So it’s pretty good

[plucky sage]

personally I am glad I can use PVP gear to do some delves and hc raid with guild

[dapper chasm]

It's sustain though

[plucky sage]

rather than have to grind m+ all day every day

[dapper chasm]

I avoid both

[plucky sage]

but this ^

what do you mean by this?

[potent pivot]

How

[dapper chasm]

You're low energy and just popped your CDs - your best bet is that you have SB up, and then what? BS-Evis-BS-Evis and you're back to 0 energy

[graceful ravine]

ok maybe deathstalker is good lol

[dapper chasm]

That's 2 evis that did 16% damage

vs, say, better defences AND damage from vers at all times

[candid tide]

doesnt evis with sb replenish a ton of energy?

[potent pivot]

If you tech early in dance it’s literally just added burst

[dapper chasm]

I prefer ending with a ST into single evis on dance

Best balance of powered up evis and ST

That way I can thistle tea/symbols too

[surreal barn]

Are you deathstalker or tricksies

[dapper chasm]

Not sure yet, probably go trick

But I don't like cleave in PvP

[surreal barn]

Tricksies ST earlier

[dapper chasm]

This pisses me off

Flawless Form is basically up 100%

[potent pivot]

Breaks cc as well

[surreal barn]

You want the hidden blade reset in the open - following two eviscerates in your dance hit harder

[dapper chasm]

That's why

I prefer a single burst window - then spend the rest of the time playing support class

[surreal barn]

Yes

That’s why I’m telling you to do it like so

FORCING YOU

[dapper chasm]

So sustain from 4 set is less relevant

[surreal barn]

meh

[dapper chasm]

Keep in mind it's also not 4 set vs nothing, it's 4 set vs premium stats

[surreal barn]

More relevant for deathstalker for sure

[dapper chasm]

Too edgy of a name for me

Can't have that shit associated

[surreal barn]

lol I enjoy them both and you will prob flip flop

Some are better in certain scenarios

[dapper chasm]

Deathstalker is the slightly more set-and-forget spec

Cloud Cover is a sick talent though

[surreal barn]

I thought the same

But it doesn’t constantly reset hidden blade

[jolly sierra]

that pride makes ppl fucked in gameplay

once in shadowlands ive saw a guy saying he wont use ER as sub cuz "dont match his vibe"

[dapper chasm]

Bet he had 500% more fun than most people you met

[jolly sierra]

just dumb

[dapper chasm]

Dumb people are happier

[jolly sierra]

nah losing doesnt imply fun lol

[dapper chasm]

For YOU

[jolly sierra]

that is masochism

[dapper chasm]

I love losing - means I picked the right opponent

[jolly sierra]

ye its masochism

lol

[potent pivot]

You only get better from losing

[dapper chasm]

It's more a feeling that I don't like wasting my time - I get more fun from improving than winning

[indigo hill]

I messed with someone in a dungeon once cause he made fun of me being on a rp server. So i said i couldnt heal him cause it doesnt fit with my characters background story.

[jolly sierra]

ofc so they pick ER next time lol

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[dapper chasm]

Before I became a PvP God at this game - even I lost a fair amount

[jolly sierra]

holy shit

[dapper chasm]

I know

[potent pivot]

You could get glad as necro sub in SL

[jolly sierra]

pshero

in s1

SL succ cocc anyways

[potent pivot]

Me too

SL pvp was amazing

[jolly sierra]

eeemmmmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

There was actually a lot of skill/set up based burst gameplay

[jolly sierra]

dunno about an exp w school shooting priest in healers, restrictions for cov choosing, conduit with rating walls, and lit like half a year with abandoned content

[dapper chasm]

True skill is high sustain and PvE rotations

Occasionally pressing cloak and hoping it got something

[potent pivot]

The systems early on sucked ass

[jolly sierra]

for example i would want to get my pally as venthyr but was shit, only liked the aesthetic

[potent pivot]

The PvP gameplay was pretty dope

[jolly sierra]

it sucked the entire xp

biggest conduits were behind elite

[potent pivot]

I think it was fine

[jolly sierra]

why tf u would want the biggest for elite? that is ridiculous

imo should be available for duelist

so u can use it in the progress to elite

[candid tide]

i hate altertime

[jolly sierra]

also in SL u had not tiers until end season and u had stuff like the first precog iteration

[candid tide]

f that shit

[jolly sierra]

with the caster uninterrupt trinket

[glacial aurora]

what tinker are people running on our engie goggles?

[jolly sierra]

nothing

doesnt matter

[potent pivot]

I just enjoy when arena feels more skill based

And less pve

I’m not talking about the systems

[jolly sierra]

u had a lot of pve tho, some gear wasnt optimized with nice stats

so u were forced to m+

[potent pivot]

I mean less pve gameplay

In arena

Less ungabunga

[dapper chasm]

I got some truthbombs to lay down

[jolly sierra]

ah dunno if SL was the right XP to say that

[potent pivot]

I was mythic raiding in SL

[jolly sierra]

do u remember S1?

[dapper chasm]

This game stopped caring about PvP 4 xpacs ago

[potent pivot]

And doing m+ regardless

[potent pivot]

It is tho

Things started getting too pve in arena when they nerfed CC

[jolly sierra]

that was for DF s2

one of the dumbest changes overall

solved nothing

[potent pivot]

Yeh

But I enjoyed SL pvp pretty much every season

[jolly sierra]

tbh for me the BFA s4 was funnier

[potent pivot]

DF pvp almost made me quit the game entirely lmao

Didn’t play a single match in s4 I think

[dapper chasm]

WotLK had the best PvP - I'll fight anyone

It was tight as shit

Real tight shit

[jolly sierra]

i hated SL pvp cuz covenants did most of games, i was mad af when a healer would outdamage you with his kyrian stuff

[dapper chasm]

In WotLK you could kill a healer 1v1

And guess what, all healers didn't lose their minds

Or quit

They just called for peels, like men

[jolly sierra]

dont care about wotlk tbh its a overated XP just for nostalgia

tbh

i hate lk fans

[potent pivot]

I think he means original wrath

[jolly sierra]

because never shut up about it

ik

[potent pivot]

Not classic

[dapper chasm]

I do

[orchid plinth]

I played DK in S5

[jolly sierra]

OG one

[lone anvil]

WOTLK in my favorite expansion so I'm biased

[jolly sierra]

hate it

[potent pivot]

og wrath was goated

[dapper chasm]

I haven't touched classic, no need to test nostalgia I am happy with

[jolly sierra]

OG wrath was the most rose tinted xp ever ingame

[dapper chasm]

Well, say what you will, but there are empirical reasons it was a tighter more mechanic heavy game

[orchid plinth]

Ambush feels better than Shadowstriking though

[potent pivot]

china has Wrath for the first time ever with Wrath Classic and guess what???

they have more players than retail on it

[jolly sierra]

i think game started simplifiyng in LK end

[potent pivot]

WoW's player numbers are apparently at an all time high because of Wrath in CN

[jolly sierra]

TBC was more mechanic heavy

ofc, chinese are the most

[potent pivot]

that's saying something IMO

[jolly sierra]

lets see

if someone have something for first time ever

dont u think numbers will be astronomically high at start anyways?

[lone anvil]

Did anyone post about the pvp weapon changes yet in here

[dapper chasm]

In OG Cata I managed to keep a rank 1 in 3s for... a period of time - this was my CD bar

[jolly sierra]

happens in every game at start xd

[lone anvil]

If not I can link the update

[potent pivot]

WoW numbers have never surpassed OG Wrath

[dapper chasm]

This is my CD bar now

[potent pivot]

yes - twice

[jolly sierra]

ye, its like chinese got genshin impact at day 1

[dapper chasm]

Another xpac and I'll need to bleed the game over to my other monitors

[lone anvil]

Sorry I havent scrolled up to read everything I've missed

[jolly sierra]

ofc will inflate numbers lol

[potent pivot]

no worries

[potent pivot]

yeah but even with CN before the CN servers were shut down - this has never happened

even with new expacs dropping

[jolly sierra]

for me at least the spec i genuinelly enjoyed the most was legion by far

[dapper chasm]

If they prune the skills and allow for fast kills on opponents with no active skills up - the game would be fixed

[potent pivot]

https://x.com/KihraOfTemerity/status/1832797335497117784

Kihra (@KihraOfTemerity) on X

I am fairly certain that World of Warcraft is at an all time high player count across its entire lifetime.

The number of players in China playing WOTLK is on par with the highest retail peak we've ever seen in WCL's lifetime.

Then add in SoD and The War Within on top of that.

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 3:05 PM

[jolly sierra]

lit still miss that

[dapper chasm]

Passive skills do way too much now

[potent pivot]

yeah i'd probably agree, but didn't play it

[lone anvil]

There's a lot of factors that went into WoW peaking in Wrath. That doesn't mean wrath was better in every way.

However I'll agree the biggest thing I dislike about modern pvp is button bloat and complicated skill bars and rotations

[orchid plinth]

I will forever despise:

• Every class cleaving lmao fuck CC.
• Pets, tons of pets. The game is so much better when the only nameplates in the arena are the players themselves.

[jolly sierra]

i think the factor than did the most w LK were both arthas and scourge aesthetics and chinese

[jolly sierra]

didnt lk had button bloat too?

[potent pivot]

CN didn't ever have OG Wrath i'm pretty sure

[jolly sierra]

u had a bunch of buttons

[dapper chasm]

The main thing that made WotLK sick was the fact the simpler/faster game drew in more competitive players - I could just pop to the sewers/outside Org, and duel non-stop rank 1 players who taught me the real shit

[jolly sierra]

wait were u talking bout classic or OG?

[dapper chasm]

Now it's a mini-game between PvE

[lone anvil]

Maybe it was the same. Maybe I was just used to it. We had time to adjust to it

[orchid plinth]

Blizzard and NetEase or whatever they are called were negotiating terms when Classic Wrath was released in the West so it never arrived in CN to begin with. Hence it arrived now, late. I think.

[lone anvil]

Shamans could have four totems down at a time. But it had been that way since classic and made sense

[dusky widget]

are we playing wound poison instead of deadly as assa ?

[jolly sierra]

what about shadowmourne

[dapper chasm]

I remember that shit, something about the skulls being banned due to some Chinese people hating bones

[potent pivot]

i'm saying WoW's old peak player count was OG Wrath. and that we've now surpassed that peak with Wrath Classic

[dapper chasm]

Was fun as shit to run up against, don't know about other people

Plus they were ALWAYS bad

[jolly sierra]

ahhhhhh well

ye, was because arthas

[potent pivot]

lol

[jolly sierra]

imagine wotlk but w the jailer as antagonist

[orchid plinth]

Thats more about their culture in relation to honoring the dead and something like that but yes

[candid tide]

tbc or wrath more players?

[jolly sierra]

how could be sub wise?

[graceful ravine]

i jsut got carried by Subworldz in wsg lol

sub rogue as FC

he made it work somehow

[candid tide]

tbc had 15 mil players or some

insane

[jolly sierra]

i recall

the lowest counting in subs overall

was wod

[orchid plinth]

fucking love me some farmville

[jolly sierra]

they even hid their sub stats in those days

[dapper chasm]

Remember vanishing DC?

[orchid plinth]

I Shadow Reflection Macro Killing Spreed to the Elite set and quit

[dapper chasm]

Remember Gouging their trinket like a MAN?

[candid tide]

i remember in TBC once they started an worldwide pvp event, and durotar was literally filled till the starter zone with duels

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/you-member-memberberries-south-park-you-remember-remember-that-time-gif-20408216

[jolly sierra]

poor sans undertale

[dapper chasm]

Is that a furry game?

[jolly sierra]

u know, cata main players in general are very bad

[dapper chasm]

That's why I quit

[jolly sierra]

in classic

[dapper chasm]

Got too easy

Cata was the most relaxed PvP of all time

[jolly sierra]

let me do u an example

most of ppl as ranged in bgs and outdoor

walked backwards

to open distance

[dapper chasm]

Oh, I played with good people - but you do you

[potent pivot]

a lot of the current r1s seemed to enjoy it

[dapper chasm]

Like I said, it was relaxed

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

nono i m talking about classic not og

[dapper chasm]

Was basically WotLK but less tight mechanic shit like Vanishing X, and bigger health pools

[potent pivot]

ye same

[jolly sierra]

ye, im only there to farm gold

but dude its surprising how ppl is different skill wise compared to retail

[dapper chasm]

Point stands as WotLK was the peak of my life, homeboy

[jolly sierra]

for me was legion grandpa