pvp

[fallen scaffold]

what slots are we supposed to have technically rn?

[wintry axle]

shoulders and legs tier

[fallen scaffold]

I guess i mean overall

not just tier

[wintry axle]

depends on ur spec

[halcyon timber]

I believe trickz pinned suggestions

[fallen scaffold]

assa

i hav 2x writing, 2pc and a craftged ring

and like 800 conq or something

[halcyon timber]

Crafted ring is fat

[wintry axle]

i crafted wep and boots

[fallen scaffold]

i just been using wpvp wep til the quest hooked it up

[wintry axle]

that works aswell

[fallen scaffold]

buit i kinda want the wep embelish now

instead of 2x writhing

[halcyon timber]

Can always recraft it

[fallen scaffold]

dusk*

not wrtihing

[halcyon timber]

And replace the emb

[fallen scaffold]

2x duskthread*

[wintry axle]

i think 2x dusk is better, isnt it?

[fallen scaffold]

idk havent looked into it at all

murlok shows more ppl playing wep embelish

doesnt mean much tho

not very much either

[inner tartan]

how much about dose crafting weapons cost rn

[wintry axle]

5

[inner tartan]

for like 2 weapons

[wintry axle]

10

[timid mulch]

What spec is the best for pvp? And what stats are best?

2v2 arena*

[candid tide]

sub

that what i read

since in 2v2 u rather need a bunch of cc

[steel scarab]

I believe I identified a bug that's pulling us out of stealth in pvp

Forgive me if this has been mentioned or discovered

It seems to happen against priests. Do priests have some sort of damage reflect?

Routinely ill have dots on a priest, get away from the battle, and sit there being knocked out of stealth every 2 seconds by my own dots

I'm not saying the reflect shouldn't exist, but it seems pretty awful to drop a 40 second Rupture on a priest and then just passively be excluded from using the ability our class needs to survive

Can't recall if it also locks us in combat too, but either way it makes for really bad gameplay

[last jasper]

This sparks quest was a trash and keeps being trash. Why just not give PvP wq

[terse bolt]

Blitz got me suspended

it is official bros, i am done with pvp forever now xd

[orchid plinth]

If Deathstalker: This might also be the Singular Focus talent: putting Rupture on one target while another target has Deathstalker's Mark on it means that that Rupture will deal damage to the marked target as well. That breaks stealth. You can try it on dummies. Mark one target and Rupture another.

[indigo hill]

For how long and how much did you rage?

[orchid plinth]

Name checks out

[terse bolt]

for a week, and as to how much i raged, way too much

pretty much every game i get matched with horde players

[scarlet wharf]

well it's good blizz are banning people like you lmao. blitz is rng in a big way

[wintry axle]

I love the justice you ragers get, its so deserved.

[terse bolt]

yeah i just wanted to let you know if you are a shitter and get offended report them, it works

[wintry axle]

what do you think raging does? Improve peoples performance?

[terse bolt]

preventing them from Qing next game

[wintry axle]

it doesnt lol

people dont care, they just report you. You're the one losing face being a rager, but thats my opinion

[terse bolt]

I will just never play Q for solo rbgs again

simple as

done with soloqs

[wintry axle]

so you raging made YOU quit

[scarlet wharf]

anyway back the the point: great that blizzard remove people who can't check themselves and emotionally unstable :p

[wintry axle]

thats so funny

[scarlet wharf]

lol

[terse bolt]

that barely scratches the surface

[wintry axle]

what mmr u on?

[terse bolt]

around 1.9-2k dunno

[wintry axle]

shouldnt need raging, I guess ur unlucky with matchups

[terse bolt]

shouldnt?!

the things i have seen

[wintry axle]

are you flawless at 2k rating

if you're the biggest chatter in an RBG, check urself

[terse bolt]

will do

i got a week to reform myself

xd

[wintry axle]

idd, you'll probably be a new person by then

[terse bolt]

you bet

[scarlet wharf]

fyi so others know, if you just call someone bad that is enough to get the stick these days. It's on that social contract you sign. Literally the smallest sleight and you can be suspended

don't even have to swear

[terse bolt]

oh did i swear

[wintry axle]

did u even go racial?

[terse bolt]

it was 2010 all over again

Didnt say the N word

if i didi would have been exiled from my country aswell

[wintry axle]

for it to be a suspension you ahve had to go pretty hard, since servermute is the first thing u usually get

[terse bolt]

tbf i got a warning

xD

[wintry axle]

so you actually got an 7 day suspension?

instead of a mute?

[terse bolt]

yeah

it must have been deemed pretty bad

fucking 21st century softies

[wintry axle]

meh, pg12 game with you telling everyone of

you got what you deserve, I bet.

[last jasper]

Technically it does. But not the one you raging at 😂

[severe hazel]

any prefered item u guys are buying with tokens after cloak / belt this week? im thinking bracers just to spend the points on an item with bis stats as well

[last jasper]

What tokens?

[severe hazel]

bloody

[last jasper]

Oh. Yea bracers. Cuz that’s only you have enough bloody

[stoic spruce]

installing windows 11, chat am I cooked?

[severe hazel]

yeah i guess holding them is not worth? we get better options for all other slots anyways

[rancid mist]

Windows 11 feels like 10 with some weird changes but ultimately chill.

[outer sky]

I just beat Cdew on his pally in 3s and he died without bubbling. He said he didnt bubble because we "didn't deserve to get bubble there" lmfao

[snow mesa]

this

[stoic spruce]

im a professional chat ban dodger

not sure how

I call people everything under the sun

people have to know theyre stupid and should uninstall

[formal crystal]

will we get new healrdys now when its reseted?

[candid tide]

need heraldry for second crafted epic weap

[outer sky]

this game is so bad

I had to cloak on top of being iron barked because of abom and dragon rage

and then I just died outside of enemy CDs in their second go

[indigo hill]

We using crafted weapons now?

[formal crystal]

if u wanna, ull get free ones soon

lol not me getting radiant power on my weapon :)) as outlaw idk if it really matters tho

as i didnt get shoulders last week ig i should just get them this week

[snow mesa]

lemme guess this is not usable on pvp items

[torpid bough]

It is. 🤡

[candid tide]

this guy on twitch, he saying that blizzard is putting ai bots in shuffle

blitz and normal bgs

is this true wth?

[cyan mural]

that would be absolutely hilarious, in some fucked up way, but still hilarious

imagine its 3 bots in your shuffle game, and they you play vs these 3 bots and they totally reck your team. All the top spots on the ladder taken by the bots.

[serene vector]

more likely player made bots made ~~more ~~ for boosting than blizz making a competent bot

[candid tide]

he just called people bots and one guy in bg told him "yes im a bot" xD

how far do these people go for content

[formal crystal]

new week new bloody tokens

but to little to buy anything c:

[snow mesa]

it is useable or it isnt usable

[torpid bough]

It is usable

[snow mesa]

ffs

i took pve item

😭

[formal crystal]

hm what vendor is that

[snow mesa]

vault vendor

[runic trench]

Why give us 1000 tokens when cap only increases by 500

Why must we suffer

Surely there are better catchup systems

Just make world quests all drop tokens until you’re capped

[inner ivy]

I'm admittedly not well-versed in the detailed abilities of other classes, but can someone explain to me what enables a priest to take nearly zero damage after I fully unleash my fury upon them?

like their mana seems nearly full too

what in the actual

[halcyon timber]

That’s hear say as far as we actually know. Spreading rumors like little teenage girls is what twitch does though.

[halcyon timber]

Depends on the priest spec for one as they have different strengths. 30% damage reduction for holy and discipline with focused will

Then pair that with shields which are emphasized for discipline

Have to learn what to do and be cool. It takes a while to whoop them as they are momentum based healers who deal well in situations like that . They aren’t mobile kinda like my uncle after a bunch of heinikens and they lack crowd control like the news lacks common sense or integrity so do with that what you will

[inner ivy]

what does this mean exactly?

[halcyon timber]

Casters deal magic damage and we can resist that if timed well.

[inner ivy]

thx eridian for both of those answers

[halcyon timber]

A hobo magic user can hit you with their weapon though or send a shadow fiend as an example that smack you for physical damage . Situational awareness applies

No problem man , hope that helped as well as some humor

[inner ivy]

yes the humor was much appreciated 🙂

have a great day

[halcyon timber]

You too my man

[inner ivy]

I just tried and unable to use on PVP items

rip

[snow mesa]

phew

[spring bough]

Your desktop wallpaper will randomly change. Scared the hell outta me

[azure rapids]

why would w11 change your wallpaper ?:))

[spring bough]

No idea lmao. It throws up random images with those “click to see more about this”

[potent pivot]

Kind of a waste

[green star]

hey guys how are you performing in solo shuffle as sub? dmg wise
im winning from time to time, but im always shit in dmg

[azure rapids]

lock screen does that but you can change everything from settings

[potent pivot]

Deathmark does not matter for this

[formal crystal]

Trickster: Activating Coup de Grace no longer grants 1 second of immunity that prevents player actions for the duration. - what is this is it bugfix or smthng

[potent pivot]

Now coup doesn’t gcd lock you

It locked you out of using even off gcd abilities before

[formal crystal]

ah oaky

i feel like all outlaws do FB

but i lowkey like trickster

[potent pivot]

Trickster just does less dmg than the other trees

[formal crystal]

alot less?

[trail summit]

in regard to pvp gear, is there a priority in pieces to get first?

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[potent pivot]

I’d ignore murlok for a couple more weeks. The weapon embellishment is kinda bad

[trail summit]

ah thank you!!

[formal crystal]

i might be delulu but i got authority of the depths and i feel like my dmg went up like crazy

and radiant power did meh

[potent pivot]

radiant power procs a lot of agi

you don't see that dmg on details

so yeah a little delulu

[formal crystal]

didnt check on the dmg it did itself

just my dps how much it differed

outlaw with 1 radiant power 1 of the depths heh

[potent pivot]

oh you're playing outlaw

should've been playing depths from the start i assumed you were playing sub or sin

[dapper chasm]

Look, I know some sly-ass rogue here has a TWW patched fix for LoseControl

So we can play this game - we could go back and forth

Or you can just drop it here right now - full amnesty

[wintry dew]

Everytime you come in here, it's a guaranteed laugh on my end

[dapper chasm]

I didn't bring any jokes

[potent pivot]

why wouldn't you just make a WA for it Zan

[dapper chasm]

I'm at the acceptance stage of my addiction

[potent pivot]

you can disable the blizzard CC thing right

then use a WA for the CC

[formal crystal]

but like is it worth to get rid of radiant to get 2x depths hah

feels like its not

[potent pivot]

whichever one is best, you want 2 of

[formal crystal]

fair

[potent pivot]

running 1x1 doesn't make sense with wep enchants these days as far as i'm aware

because all the effects double

[dapper chasm]

I would need to make a large one with priorities/groups for different unit frames

I just really, really don't want to

[formal crystal]

right but like is depths really "confirmed" best on outlaw

[dapper chasm]

Not when there has been such an excellent solution for like 8 xpacs

[formal crystal]

or should i just wait ^^

[potent pivot]

doesn't bigdebuffs or omni do the frames though?

[formal crystal]

idk how big dif its between the two enchants

[spring bough]

2 depths did my top overall in two rounds of solo last night lol

Then other rounds it’s like 8 on overall

[dapper chasm]

I specifically want screen fixed options for player/target/party/arena and nameplate fixed options too

[orchid plinth]

errr I meant Deathstalkers Mark

[spring bough]

Can’t really sim it just gotta feel it. Probably keeping depths over radiant for myself

[formal crystal]

so ur saying def worth getting 2 of them

[spring bough]

It’s damage varies lobby to lobby it’s not consistent

But when I used radiant it def didn’t proc as much as depths does

[potent pivot]

yeah i feel like i have all of this without LC

idk about 'screen fixed'

[dapper chasm]

Like I said, it's an all-in-one solutuion, and super lightweight

[formal crystal]

wb starbound artisery

[potent pivot]

bad

[formal crystal]

lowkey feels really good to go mastery on trickster rouge

[potent pivot]

mastery after it got nerfed just isn't worth

[spring bough]

I was doing 32% mastery for a minute. Yeah 200k MGs are cool but you sacrifice so much crit dmg on every other ability and dmg overall. I went back to haste till 10-15 > verse > crit with a lil mastery

[dapper chasm]

You can see GEX does a similar thing by changing the class icons to the CC

The screenshot is whacky

[formal crystal]

hm u feel like thats better?

[potent pivot]

[formal crystal]

i started doing more and more mastery now just because i like to test things out myself

and i feel like my dmg just keeps going up

like mastery > crit but might be delulu

[potent pivot]

maybe that's just because you're getting better at outlaw

because mastery is def worse

[spring bough]

You def wanna make sure you have 25% haste in stealth buffed or not buffed for that .8 second GCD during adrenaline

[potent pivot]

yeah idk man i just use bigdebuffs/omnicd/cc/bar

[spring bough]

Saw a lot of people sacrificing that for mastery idk how they do it

[potent pivot]

they prolly don't even know ADR got changed

it's not like it says it in game

it was in 1 blue post and that's it iirc

[spring bough]

The builds I’ve seen too on the mastery guys…. No upper handed hitter. No swift slasher…. Makes me wanna cry

[dapper chasm]

It's hardly the world's best UI if I'm using 5 addons where 1 will do

And it is the world's best UI

[potent pivot]

but

[dapper chasm]

I feel we've been through this

[potent pivot]

it doesn't work

so

[dapper chasm]

But it does

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

It just lacks one thing I want

Like your face lacks goodlookingness

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

That's a thing

Plus people here say you smell, bro, and some are saying you don't have the NUTS to look for a patched version of the addon

People saying you lack the MINERALS

Not me

[potent pivot]

there's a string of code floating around

that you can import into your addons folder

fixes a lot of addons for tww

i've told you this

[dapper chasm]

You have not

[potent pivot]

i have

[dapper chasm]

You have not

Why would I hurt my own UI by not accepting it?

Think about your words before you blurt them out

What was my men's rear?

[formal crystal]

swiftslasher goes crazy on mastery riht?

idk what to lose for that one point tho

[spring bough]

Swift slasher because the one trickster talent gives auto attacks 10% chance to reset unseen blades cooldown. So you want your melee attacks to be as fast as humanely possible

My MH attack speed get to 0.80

I haven’t been running blinding or heavy hitter

[formal crystal]

im not sure what to remove for that tho

[spring bough]

Improved MG can it

[dapper chasm]

I tried this: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/twwfix - didn't work

[potent pivot]

then you are borked

[formal crystal]

main gauce = main hand right?

[dapper chasm]

Look, if enough of us get together - organise, we can track down and threaten the addon author

[spring bough]

I don’t understand. I would remove improved main gauche talent for swift slasher if you are doing trickster

[formal crystal]

yeah i did that

how's unholy dk and rouge lol

feels int

[orchid plinth]

play assa and get a healer and R O T

[spring bough]

Rogues crush DK

[formal crystal]

i do 3v3's

me and a unholy and a healer

feels weird without any ranged

[late nova]

where could i find some pvp skill trees for assassin rogue?

[potent pivot]

pins

[late nova]

ty!

[lone anvil]

Had a rated BG this morning, it was the MOP map where you hold the four flags in the middle.

our team consisted of 3 rogues, 2 fury warriors, a frost mage, and 2 pres evokers

It was a massacre

[brave crag]

To shreds you say ?

[lone anvil]

shredding the nar

[spring bough]

The best is when your spam “orbs” and lose the match and 4 team member have 0 points

Love that map 😂

[lone anvil]

I only like that map in rated. whenever I do it on normal no one knows what theyre doing and theyre just fighting and not holding orbs

[spring bough]

Half these rated players don’t even know what they’re doing

EOTS for example. Should be easy. Two bases then get flag. Yet half the people call you dumb for even suggesting it lol

Logic dictates if your team has both bases and enemy has flag they can’t cap. People can’t understand that somehow lol

[lone anvil]

I think they changed EOTS, recently when I play in rated 2 of the hold points are locked so you cant cap

so only 2 out of 4 are even open

[spring bough]

Yes. So in the rated match you get the two open bases. Ignore flag

Then when u get both bases enemy team has 0 points and flag. Then you kill EFC. Get flag. Hold till 1350 points cap and win.

[lone anvil]

good info

[spring bough]

People can’t understand that Strat in like 1600 mmr and call you dumb when you suggest it. When all the higher ups doing it every game lol

[potent pivot]

Needs to be a mandatory tutorial before you can queue rated

[spring bough]

Swear to god. This monk was so mad last night in EOTs

Bro was like “can I report this DH grieving with the flag”

[late nova]

any good vids to watch for rogue pvp? I kind of just button mash and not sure what exactly i should be pressing lol...

[spring bough]

We had one base. Enemy team had no bases. We went “HOLD FLAG”

And this DH immediately capped

And we lost a game w woulda won

[formal crystal]

Petition to make slice and dice not a GCD

[potent pivot]

Watch some streamers. Nahj, Kalvish, whaazz, pikaboo

[spring bough]

I was like broooooo we are collecting points with flag. They are getting 0. Why did you cap? And I get called dumb by the DH

Then this monk was like “I’m reporting this guy for cheating” 😂

[potent pivot]

After the November patch you never have to press it again man. Patience lol.

[lone anvil]

FR

[spring bough]

I think ima bait people in rated to call me an idiot so I can report them when they don’t know the strats lmao

[formal crystal]

:OOO

[halcyon timber]

Not even strategy, just common damn sense

[potent pivot]

If only people were kind enough to watch a guide on each BG before queuing

It’s crazy

[halcyon timber]

Unga bungas don’t want to get orbs.

Stand a wrong bases when only 2 active

[severe hazel]

its very exhausting indeed

[spring bough]

Those damn baboon warriors

[severe hazel]

0-4 start to the week pog

[lone anvil]

Rated is still SOOO much better than unrated as far as quality of teamates goes

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the god damn randall type mfs

Its not hard to read the field and use some common sense

[lone anvil]

I WON MY FIRST ASHRAN LAST NIGHT

[potent pivot]

I guess. In preseason we were fucking up BGs like they were rated lmao

[lone anvil]

I didnt know Horde could win Ashran, Ive only ever see Horde lose in the first 60 seconds

now im like 1-8 in there

[topaz bobcat]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-guess-sub-is-the-real-deal-55mil-damage-in-12s/1958913

who did this

[spring bough]

Patiently waiting for murlok to update so I can get on the first page lol

[potent pivot]

blizzard already nerfed sub rogue cheese 1 shot

if they died to it in the first place, that's kinda on them

[formal crystal]

whats ur stats and talent tree c:

[topaz bobcat]

how is outlaw feeling

[surreal barn]

Sorry

[spring bough]

No comment but char js vaanncleef

[spring bough]

Feeling good was ripping 4-2 and 5-1 games last night. Supatease went down 😂

[topaz bobcat]

on his shaman?

[formal crystal]

server?

[spring bough]

His boomy 💀

[spring bough]

Tich

[formal crystal]

cant find it lul - lol ofc i cant im dumb

american? :o and pve gear?

[spring bough]

Yeah vaanncleef on tich. USA

[spring bough]

Musta logged in it 🪦

[formal crystal]

i dont understand lol but if u got pve gear and clapping

u must be insane no?

[potent pivot]

he's not using pve gear lol

[formal crystal]

u right

:)

[topaz bobcat]

is enh wrecking other melee now or?

jungle is OP

lock+sub op too

but not in shuffle I guess

[formal crystal]

i thought they were meh until i got 100-0 in 1 sec rn

[spring bough]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/vaanncleef
@formal crystal This has my PVP gear

[formal crystal]

btw my authority of the depths just didd 6m dmg in 3's

ig it highrolled?

[spring bough]

Sounds like it

[formal crystal]

feelsgoodman

The feeling when you just find an opportunity and manage to execute it and win the arena 🤤

[halcyon timber]

Enhance is strong yeah

[lone anvil]

Been seeing a lot of top rogues with ascendence embellishment

[potent pivot]

yeh, a lot of other classes are using it because it's one of the best early pve embellishments as well

but i've tested it, it takes 80 seconds to fully stack up. and when you drop combat the stacks reset.

[candid tide]

how do we play this mode?

cause i cant join it

[lone anvil]

Alot of the top hunters are using that magic damage embellishment. My friend told me he's seen it hit for 270,000 free damage

[potent pivot]

brawls are bugged. either that or you need a 5man premade or some shit.

[candid tide]

aye dang..

[potent pivot]

that one isn't terrible either, but that's really not a lot of dmg

[potent pivot]

yeh

250k dmg just isn't much

health pools are 7m

[lone anvil]

Yeah true

[surreal barn]

Double with two

FYI

[spring bough]

I Stan the verse over 80% health embelish. It’s up over 75% of the time in games

[surreal barn]

It’s interesting

[potent pivot]

250k IS doubled

[spring bough]

Might have to get rid of my wep grip down the road and go double verse embelish

[surreal barn]

🪦

[formal crystal]

now that i have gotten used to using feint

its fkn op

[spring bough]

Feint saves lives

So does imp crimson vial. Too many times I’ve been 5-10% hit those both and somehow came out alive

[surreal barn]

Healers so strong now the longer you can last at ~20% the better

[waxen meteor]

Feint has been really good

[lone anvil]

Sounds like me dancing around without a vanish up gritting my teeth LOL

[lost quest]

Commrades, from 1-10 how good/bad is combat rogue in solo blitz right now?

[potent pivot]

yes

[spring bough]

Times like that make me miss acro range so I can be out of melee and still hit to reduce vanish CD while waiting for heals lol

[lost quest]

I understand

[potent pivot]

it's decent

all 3 do decent dmg and can ninja bases

i really don't think you need to stress what spec you play outside of high level 3v3

[lost quest]

I mostly don’t, but I saw that nerfs post for outlaw and I panicked a little bit

[potent pivot]

the nerfs aren't that bad at all

plus, they buffed the tier set

[lost quest]

Thanks for info

[lone anvil]

Rogue be doing rogue things what he tryna say

Sneaky sneaky

[spring bough]

Stun or blind to a flag cap is so satisfying

ESP if they trinket the sap then get blinded and still gotta watch us cap the flag 😂

Or if they get outta that full kidney cap and it’s GG

[molten cloak]

Radiant power enchant on both weaps next week?

[potent pivot]

for sub/sin yeah

[molten cloak]

ty

[topaz bobcat]

ok hard hard stuck at 1250 now

gonna get 2.1k on my BM hunter instead of 1600 as sub

[indigo hill]

Is it just me or dies trickster on outlaw feel buggy and slow?

[severe hazel]

guys what cool new thing makes rupture spin in rbgs? (sub)

[potent pivot]

singular focus

[severe hazel]

is it bugged or why does it spin even if it hits the marked target only?

[spring bough]

Not at all to me. Just gotta prio coup > KS then normal crackshot rotations

[potent pivot]

it keeps you and the target in combat

[severe hazel]

i see thx ❤️

[potent pivot]

it might also be corrupt the blood

but not sure on that one

[severe hazel]

that one sound more logical to me

[potent pivot]

i mean

logically neither of them should

singular focus even keeps US stuck in combat

hero talents are just bugged to shit

[spring bough]

I know it don’t matter this early but we famous boys 🙌

[tender ember]

what u do with concq now? offparts to glad lvl and bloodtoken for catalyst gear or just buy conquest ones for tier?

conq*

[jolly sierra]

nice and u are w the vancleef outfit now lol

[forest compass]

Hi guys

If i dont use my set upgrade this week willnit be lost?

[wintry axle]

wdym

[severe hazel]

it wont be lost @forest compass

assuming you mean the catalyst charge

[potent pivot]

This week I’m holding

To buy conquest chest and catalyst it next week

[spring bough]

Yeah those boots cost me 20k gold lmao

[jolly sierra]

didnt u had a crafter alt for that?

[spring bough]

Nah all my alts are herb/mining

[severe hazel]

@tender ember im at 800 conq now after buying shoulders (-> catalyst) and trinket (badge). will go for chest next week and thinking about getting a ring this week

[rocky vale]

Guys, which pieces should I craft for assa with the 9 emblems?

[jolly sierra]

F

[potent pivot]

Check the gear faq linked in the pins

[severe hazel]

@rocky vale boots + x

[potent pivot]

You craft boots/wep or boots/x

[rocky vale]

I did, but I think I cant read

[tender ember]

yea was thinking about conquest chest to buy cos can aford it this week and next week gloves

but not sure if its not better swap bloody token gear for set >.>

[potent pivot]

yeh the only thing i'm not sure of is if we go goggles+tier gloves

or tier helm+crafted gloves

[tender ember]

i think most will go set gloves

[spring bough]

I feel like I’m gonna be so light on verse getting that tier helm

[tender ember]

cos head giving a lot of stats

[potent pivot]

personally i wouldn't recommend it, but it's not terrible early. just kind of a waste of cata charge i think

[spring bough]

Losing like 2.5% verse going from conq helm to conq tier helm lol

[potent pivot]

yeh i think so as well on tier gloves

it just sucks they're crit/haste

[spring bough]

Gloves got no verse too lol

But for outlaw pants are outta the question no haste or verse on them

[tender ember]

as well not sure if goggles or regular 😄

[spring bough]

Why I went with solely verse bracers to help out

[potent pivot]

just depends on how much vers/mast we have with close to full bis gear

like whaazz crafted vers goggles

[spring bough]

I’ll prob be around 25-26% verse with full tier and no verse talent. Idk if I like that

[potent pivot]

but that's just because assa is squishy this early

[tender ember]

ye a lot of top na rogs also did it

[potent pivot]

i don't think vers goggs will be bis

but the extra tankiness is nice for rn

[tender ember]

struggle is real haha

u can as well go regular head and glad neck

[potent pivot]

yeah

[tender ember]

or vers gogle craft neck xd

damn

[potent pivot]

i saw some NA assa with full vers ench/gems too

i think once we have full bis we won't feel as squishy

but we'll have to see

it's definitely weird

[tender ember]

currently so yea crafting versa head is kinda smart

[potent pivot]

is that in pvp?

[tender ember]

ye

[potent pivot]

i've got 25%

with no goggles/vers enchants

[tender ember]

both craft weap, both rings

bracer

might be it

[potent pivot]

that looks closer to mine

but i'm just using blue rings

[potent pivot]

are you using Dejacharacterstats?

mine only shows pve ilvl

[tender ember]

im in bg thats why its pvp ilvl

[potent pivot]

ah true

[tender ember]

crafts are giga versa los, u rembeer ur mastery?

[potent pivot]

i'm using crafted rings/bracers

lemme respec n see

48% mast rn

w/o mastery enchants

ye i basically have the exact same set up as you

just didn't craft a 639 ring

[rotund mountain]

if i bought conq chest last week and gloves with bloody tokens am i cooked, or will it fall in line close to bis

[potent pivot]

i bought badge cuz i play a lot of sub as well

[potent pivot]

nah ur fine

bloody token buys are w/e

you won't use any of them as bis really

[rotund mountain]

i figured they'd get phased out, but didnt know for sure

[potent pivot]

yeh since we can craft all our gear this season, there's no need for token gear

we have decent vers heavy options from conq vendor and we can craft vers=mast gear

[rotund mountain]

I read you guys saying that we wont get more purp heraldries tho, so will we gain access to crafting 639 or even 636 another way?

[tender ember]

btw is there any research yet on depth vs radiant power? some ppl changed to depth >.>

[potent pivot]

you can buy heraldries for conquest

[potent pivot]

depths is decent for outlaw

because outlaw rarely goes for resets/stays in combat pretty perma

[rotund mountain]

god bless, ty

[potent pivot]

radiant is just really powerful

would honestly be surprised if depths is better for assa

[polar burrow]

Not using echoing reprimand and poison bomb feels boring as fuck ngl

[tender ember]

with those combat bugs assa also has like 99% combat time lmao

[potent pivot]

hopefully they get fixed soon

[potent pivot]

idk rotting the entire enemy team is pretty fun imo

[polar burrow]

Doesn’t this mean it’s a bad comp? Damn I was planning on playing with my mage friend tn

[potent pivot]

frost mage is good with everything rn

[lone anvil]

From what everyone else has said here ....Its the best double DPS option we have in a meta where healer + DPS dominates

[polar burrow]

Bet I’ll see how it goes maybe try subtlety out

[potent pivot]

it's one of, if not the only decent double dps 2s comps

[wintry dew]

Did a shuffle, 3-3, healer 6-0

last round my healer decided to just afk

[potent pivot]

oof

[olive minnow]

1660/2200 so i can get like 540 more conquest this week ... that's not even a single piece to buy, like wtf?

last week you get like 5 pieces

this week you don't even get 1

[wintry dew]

5?

[olive minnow]

what is this shit progression curve

[potent pivot]

this is how it's always been

the weekly cap is higher now than it was before

[olive minnow]

2 from bloody tokens, which are obsolete this week to buy more because you have the ones you can get from there ... 1 from the 1600 token you bought a setpiece with 639 ... and 2 items from conquest, which makes it 5

[potent pivot]

be glad for how much we got for free week 1 lol

[olive minnow]

👆

[potent pivot]

we also get free weapons next week

we are swimming in gear this season compared to the past

[olive minnow]

ppl who do it right craft weapons anyways, hell even craft them first week, which makes next weeks 'weapons' obsolete

[potent pivot]

nah i wouldn't call that "right"

[tender ember]

u still use offhand from quest

since it has 13ilvl more

[potent pivot]

sweatier players crafted weps yeh

[olive minnow]

how does it have 13 more than 639?

[potent pivot]

you crafted 2 weps

lmao

[tender ember]

rofl

[potent pivot]

that is not the right way to spend your stuff week 1

💯

[olive minnow]

yeah i know now

cuz you get like no points week 2

i calculated for 1600 points again

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

[olive minnow]

so i would have completed my 4pc set

this week

[potent pivot]

offhand weapon is the last upgrade you ever do

[olive minnow]

but i cant now since we only get like 600 points

well, it was 5 heraldrys, no biggy

[potent pivot]

you also realize catalyst is 1 charge every 2 weeks right

can't get pvp ilvl 4p for 3 more weeks ish

[olive minnow]

i know it's not the perfect choice, but don't get too overdramatic pls, it's not a big deal

[potent pivot]

naw i'm not

[potent pivot]

just showing you the facts about this statement

that's all

[olive minnow]

i got this from vault, so i'm gonna complete 4pc next week

i thought i'm gonna do it this week tho

but i got fucked by not knowing how much points we get this week

and it's ridiculously low compared to first week ofc

my mistake was to not know this

nothing more.

[potent pivot]

ehh

[olive minnow]

well, you craft mainhand at least

[potent pivot]

i see where you're coming from

it's just the offhand is a tiny upgrade

and a lot of ppl didn't craft mainhand

those that didn't, will be ahead on gear next week

[olive minnow]

mainhand is the biggest upgrade, why not to craft it

makes no sense

[potent pivot]

because of the weapon quest

crafting a mainhand only put u ahead for week 1 and 2

everyone that waited for quest will be ahead for a few weeks now

[olive minnow]

these weapons are shit

no mastery

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

more pieces of gear > less

agi > mastery

ppl who waited for the quest will craft weapons as their very last upgrade

[olive minnow]

i hate that they don't show you how much conquest you get the week after

[potent pivot]

just to replace the crit

[olive minnow]

kinda took the fun out for me now

[potent pivot]

they did though :p

[olive minnow]

gonna grind my conquest to full and call it a week i guess

kinda pissed off with this game already

where?

it said 1600/1600

[potent pivot]

you gotta be checking their blue posts

[olive minnow]

what in the game called out how many points you get next week

well, ofc ... the internet

why would it be in the game anyways ... just ask blissard itself

[potent pivot]

yeh that's kinda how they communicate with players

they make news posts from time to time

like every other game does :d

[olive minnow]

why not make a bar like this ------- 1600 ---------

done

everyone would know

how to gear

no, all of the 1 million players they prolly have left, have to look up their site to check their blue posts

[jolly sierra]

that is unneeded

u can calculate urself

[potent pivot]

the game's player count is at an all time high

[jolly sierra]

and since dawn of time

[potent pivot]

rn there's more people playing than in WOTLK

pretty crazy

[jolly sierra]

forward weeks awards least conq than in start

[olive minnow]

new players don't know what happend since dawn of time in 2004

[steel scarab]

The game is great right now despite its issues

[jolly sierra]

in 2004 u had not conquest

[olive minnow]

*you did not have conquest

[jolly sierra]

?

[olive minnow]

!

[jolly sierra]

dude

[olive minnow]

dude

[jolly sierra]

are you really arguing

with a guy which doesnt speak english as primary language

bruh

[olive minnow]

no, i'm making fun of a person who defends blissards bullshit

[jolly sierra]

never defended it

but if u wanna argue

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

let me tell u

u did VERY wrong with ur offhand dagger

and im 100% nobody tell u that would be a good idea

anyways gotta wash dishes cya

[olive minnow]

bye

[potent pivot]

go complain on the forums, not here

[olive minnow]

nah, i'm good ... just gonna play 3 hours this week and that's it

too frustrated about their bullshit

gl guys 🙂

[potent pivot]

any luck after that?

[jolly sierra]

that is very usual

xddd

well, lets see what happens in blitz today

hope MMR is not fucked like yesterday

[wintry dew]

ill Q again tomorrow

i can't rage

i bless the fact i didnt go 2-4

[potent pivot]

i swear it's been like that at all times so far

that i've seen at least

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

in prepatch at least for me was good

got 1k8 without issues

but this time

OOF

[potent pivot]

yeah idk why it's so fucked

but i swear every game is like +8cr

weird mmr/cr and shit

[jolly sierra]

got the speed blasphemite for my speed gear cuz the socket i got from vault didnt worked on a glad helm like ppl said in reddit

dammit, thought i would get at least a silver one xd

[jolly sierra]

yeah, when i saw a 6 increase i dropped

then u are defeated and lose 14

XD

now i have a dillema

what should i get next w conq? helm or chest?

[potent pivot]

I’m gonna do chest then catalyst it next week

[trail summit]

after you get full honor gear, does honor turn useless?

[potent pivot]

You need it for sockets n stuff

[trail summit]

ooo ty

[potent pivot]

If you check the gear faq linked in the pins, socket section is the last section

[trail summit]

gotcha thanks!

[river pollen]

hey guys i wanted to make sure is it better to aim for 4 pieces or 2 for sub rogue tier sets?

[potent pivot]

4

[river pollen]

i see so the power up is too beneficial even if i will scarifice a bit of mast/vers?

secret tech

[potent pivot]

Yes

[river pollen]

ty!

[jolly sierra]

I SEE

caps lol

[river pollen]

one more thing, if i attach a socket to a conquest gear, then later decide to upgrade into a tier, will I lose the socket?

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

[river pollen]

nicee

[potent pivot]

Iirc they fixed that in DF

[lone anvil]

Is spending 12,500 per the only way to get sockets

Or are there other ways

[potent pivot]

You can buy bloodstones for gold

[lone anvil]

How much are those

[potent pivot]

Or loot them from bounties/crates

Check the AH

You can also loot the actual socket setting item from unbound spoils

[peak jolt]

oh dafuq

so yo ucould just roam and wait for war supplies?

[potent pivot]

those only drop the bloodstones

and aren't guaranteed drop

[peak jolt]

ah.

what is unbound spoils?

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

there's a link to them at the bottom

[peak jolt]

I see

[last jasper]

Playing wow for a month and never saw unbound chest 😂

[peak jolt]

Is there any way to tell which region it spawns in?

[jolly sierra]

@spring bough how many times u got punished until a permaban in wow?

[potent pivot]

read the comments on the wowhead page

they work similarly to the war crates

[spring bough]

I think I got silenced 3-4 times then it was like 1,2,3 weeks on the ban then perma

[indigo hill]

Got one yesterday at 21:00 in dorn.

It's a crap system though.

[last jasper]

only first 5 pp can loot socket 😄

[potent pivot]

...bruh lol

[indigo hill]

I was one of those pp's.

[spring bough]

Idiot is a flagged word now 🤷‍♂️ and my favorite word

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[last jasper]

wonder why 😄

[jolly sierra]

that is tough dude

[indigo hill]

I've never been banned or silenced in game. Only a few times on the forums.

[spring bough]

20 year old undead rogue gone for life

[jolly sierra]

i got banned twice

never muted

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

When you get silenced you can’t signup for LFG groups either

[last jasper]

never got even silence. 0 point raging

I can only troll a little

[indigo hill]

I got banned for 3 days for calling someone on the forums a pedo. He later on turned out to be one. So technically I got banned for being right.

[spring bough]

I don’t consider it raging I just consider if poking fun at people and getting under their skin 😂

[jolly sierra]

they can victim shame a lot

blizzard is famous for that

first time i got banned was for an arguing in general chat

then the next one for a xp pot stack exploit in bfa

[indigo hill]

I remember when exploits were known as clever use of the game. Gm's didn't even ban you for it.

[jolly sierra]

i remembered when rextroy was banned for doing exploits

before he started reporting them

[steep kiln]

was it a gnome player

[pliant mauve]

So what's up with this conq helm? Is it a safe buy or I should hold on to my 975 conq. I already have legs and shoulders.

[potent pivot]

chest is safe

[pliant mauve]

Ok cool, thanks!

Is it a matter of perspiration that so many people went with the helm and crafted the chest?

[potent pivot]

the safest piece for next catalyst is chest

we're not sure if we go crafted goggles+tier gloves, or crafted gloves+tier helm yet

i wouldn't worry about what random folks are doing on murlok etc rn

[indigo hill]

Really hope next reset nerfs frost mage and fury war

[potent pivot]

fury has already been nerfed

they really shouldn't be an issue anymore

[indigo hill]

They still do damage.

[potent pivot]

they aren't that scary anymore

everyone does damage

[severe hazel]

bro how am i 5-16 today

how can i escape this demon mmr

people in my grp telling me that enemies are premades of 5 and thats why we cant win

send help i beg

[potent pivot]

@spring bough

probably my best opener yet

bte->bte->bte->bte->bte->bte

beautiful back to back ace procs

[spring bough]

Helll yeah. That unseen blade looking low 🤔 usually I get four procs in my first go. But I do press KS in subterfuge

[potent pivot]

i KS'd late

too busy bte'ing

i don't think it's worth pressing it early tbh

[spring bough]

I’ve tried both. I like prio coup over KS over crackshot

Try it out

Get more KS chance and coup procs

KS usually my top dmg

[potent pivot]

i don't think wasting CS window time on KS is a good idea

delaying it a few seconds isn't going to hurt your overall procs

[spring bough]

Try it. I end up doing more damage overall prioritizing Ks and Coup and if I prio crack shot it’s usually less

[potent pivot]

i'll try it but i already know it's going to be worse

wasting multiple seconds on KS during CS

you may as well not be running CS

[spring bough]

Trust lol. CDR goes faster. It just works can’t even explain it. Real world it just works

I kill more people prioritizing KS over crack

[potent pivot]

i mean

killing shitters or something i don't think counts

it's about the numbers

[spring bough]

I mean it worked out in the R1 supatease lobby I was in last night 5-1 that MF

[potent pivot]

yeah but you probably could've done the same without a hero tree active

let's be real here

[spring bough]

That brother went 3-3 kicked his ass lmao

He didn’t beat me one lobby I was versing him lol

Doing almost the same dmg as a boomy

[potent pivot]

what was he playing

[spring bough]

His boomy

He was on Supatease

[potent pivot]

well yeah no wonder he couldn't win

rofl

[spring bough]

Brother had an affliction lock

As his teammate round one

Smoked them

[potent pivot]

boomie is trash tho

[jolly sierra]

deserved

is a very filthy spec

[potent pivot]

dh, boomie, and fire mage

are like the worst specs in the game in pvp rn

[jolly sierra]

all of them deserves to be in bottom

specially DH

[spring bough]

That may be true but a R1 on a shit spec should be able to beat this wannabe glad

And brother got clapped

[potent pivot]

depends on the other players

it's shuffle lol

[spring bough]

Killed the healer one round lmao

[potent pivot]

if his healer threw, nothing he can do

you know as well as anyone

sometimes ppl throw when they're on your team

then play like gods on the other team

[spring bough]

Everyone was playing 100% in this lobby 🤷‍♂️. Telling you tho the KS coup prio just works for trick

[potent pivot]

just off 1 test

where i still got perfect Ace procs

i did 2m less dmg

[spring bough]

Training dummy? Lol

[potent pivot]

opening with KS->bte->bte->bte

[potent pivot]

how does that matter

even in the slightest

if it does more or less dmg in a subterfuge window on a dummy, the same will be true on a player

[spring bough]

I’ve played 486 rounds of rated PvP so far as trick. Doing both back and forth. Ks coup always comes out on top. I’m sick of the constant putting down on it. It works. Just try it in rated games. Or don’t believe me based on training dummy

[potent pivot]

constant putting down on it?

ok man

[pine sandal]

ayo how do i fight discipline priests

[vocal surge]

Why are training dummies a standard?

They don't even CC you or have defensive or any vers stats

[potent pivot]

if something does more damage in a 6 second window on a dummy

it's still going to do more damage in a 6 second window on a player

vers and other defensives that reduce percentages of damage aren't going to change that

the optimal order you press your abilities in will remain the same

[tender ember]

rbg mmr is so fucked, i literally went 14-1 with duo and still dealing with 1,5 mmr games mostly, max 1,7 xD

[potent pivot]

yeah it kinda seems like they borked something

even just comparing s4 post season blitz to now

[tender ember]

btw chest is not worth to catalyst untill u can go 4pc at once i guess

same versa and u trade mastery for crit

[potent pivot]

ye ofc

[indigo hill]

Not allot of points this week. Can't even buy any gear.

[potent pivot]

yep

depending on what you bought last week you won't really have enough conq by the time we get our last catalyst charge to do much else

[boreal basin]

is it me or are rogue ticklers in pvp now

asking as a mage

ive had 5 pug rogues around 1.2-1.6k rating

and theyve all just tickled for 3 games and gone offline

truely not flaming, is it hard to apply all ur dmg now or?

[potent pivot]

depends on the spec

[boreal basin]

ive had both assa and subs in my team

[potent pivot]

in general the damage isn't crazy though no

[boreal basin]

doing max 40k dmg

[potent pivot]

thats

no comment

[boreal basin]

im rlly looking for a premade rogue to play with some more but none of these guys were... it

[potent pivot]

keep looking

[boreal basin]

ill do my best

never played that much pvp with mage so never had high rating on it

so its hell in 1.2k now lol

but fun

sometimes...

[potent pivot]

yeh

[late nova]

whats the strat against mages? the shield feels kinda hard to bypass

[jolly sierra]

using pillars

and resetting a lot

[alpine tinsel]

Loss of acrobatic strikes was a pretty big nerf into casters imo. Although if you're playing frost I don't imagine many people are connecting with you atm

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

^gear

[green star]

thank you!

[polar burrow]

I think retail bgs are making me schizophrenic I keep getting unstealthed without entering combat or acquiring a debuff. Does anybody have a clue about this

[pine sandal]

haunted retail pvp creepypasta

[potent pivot]

bugs

multiple bugs

has been a known issue since launch

[outer sky]

at least they fixed Singular Focus' scaling in legacy content

[severe hazel]

are thre any pvp focused guilds on eu?

[potent pivot]

i think there's a few yeah

you can check the ladder and filter for guilds iirc

[potent pivot]

https://check-pvp.fr/guilds

[severe hazel]

thanks will check!

[polar burrow]

Damnn okay glad I’m not insane

[jolly sierra]

finally got the pvp gem

after like 17500 honor total

im starting to sell bloodstones again

[severe hazel]

@polar burrow same i was questioning my mental

[spring bough]

im starting to think deft and dancing steel might be a decent play for blitz. cranked down a flag last night with it was over 1 mil dps lmao. we smoked the enemy team and got the cap. was so nice hitting flurry for full CPs and going right into finishers lol

[lone anvil]

I tried solo shuffle on rogue for the first time and that shit is hard

I think rogue is definitely a strong class in organized group with good Coms. But how are y'all out here playing rogue in Solo lol

[jolly sierra]

cceing

[lone anvil]

Gotta try that.

Either they made it harder to sap. Or I'm just ass. But I didn't get a single sap off in all 6 rounds

My team was rushing ahead of me and entering combat

Rather than playing back and letting me open with CC

[worthy crag]

sap doesnt rly matter

[lone anvil]

And I would blind someone and then they would break it with damage

[worthy crag]

unless ur managing to sap off something else

o yea expect that

[rocky vale]

what's a budget wep enchant for assa? cant afford radiant

[lone anvil]

I thought rogue opened with sap on the healer., then Cheap shot kidney locked a second target, like a squishy caster dps. And then when healer comes out of sap you hit with blind and then another teammate is supposed to follow up with CC on healer after blind breaks like cyclone or whatever

[jolly sierra]

kidney is not just for kill target

u can use it as cc in a burst

and u have blind and gouge

[lone anvil]

Yeah that's what Im getting at

You sap + blind healer and then cheap shot - kidney a second target , I think the term you guys use is "train" them, like they're a puppy

Rogue can lock down 2 targets simultaneously as long as their team lets them sap and doesn't break their blind

[jolly sierra]

dont blind the healer

at start

never

[lone anvil]

Should I gem pure vers

[severe hazel]

high vers + mastery is what most rogues i looked at are going for right now (sub)

both fine prob could even go full mastery maybe

w/e

[worthy crag]

blind start isnt bad

for sub anyway

I personally dont do it myself either tho xd

[jolly sierra]

the thing is they will get blackjack debuff anyways

so will start with a handicap

[lone anvil]

Huh

[spring bough]

Love a good resto Druid cloning the DPS when we have a go on them 😂

[warped gate]

I make sure to type out /s lol whenever they do it against me in SS.

[rocky vale]

Any good assa rogue streamers/youtubers I should be following to learn?

[spring bough]

Boomy told me he can’t stealth to help steal GM

I don’t understand lol

Do boomy not have cat form anymore??

[jolly sierra]

he can

btw got 1k6 already

its time to buy a tier

[spring bough]

Me and 2 druids on this team

Enemy team 0 stealth

And not one Druid came GM whole game

I don’t understand lol

[jolly sierra]

i think he just wanted to excuse himself

xd

[spring bough]

I just had two people leave my blitz on my team before game started

The game should end if that happens not be a 6v8

[jolly sierra]

agree

that messed up the entire match

[lime oar]

Blitz is cooked

Soon as I hit around 1450 only getting like +8-10ish per win

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-look-gif-24835232

If my math is mathing = waste of my time

[severe hazel]

blitz mmr is completely fried i went from 1300 to 1800 to 1200 and so on

getting +0s for wins even

it makes no sense

people say it settles after some games (im 40 games into the season)

[jolly sierra]

i stopped after 1k6

cuz mmr is way too unstable even w streaks

[stoic spruce]

Sup

[surreal barn]

Ice barrier really is a shitload of health

lol

[jolly sierra]

agree

[severe hazel]

i was 1580 and tanked to 1400 lmao

[spring bough]

So coordinated assault kills u thru cheat death?? lol

[jolly sierra]

as a theory

according to my own experience

is than any ability which does simultaneous damage in different windows

it will bypass cheat death and end with u being killed

ex. icicles from glacial pike

[waxen meteor]

blitz feels like rolliing a dice

today i won with 3 rogues team lol

just because we all know how to play

[severe hazel]

i just lost 200 rating because i fell asleep and got afk reported LUL

this bracket kills me

now i have had it all

[lime oar]

Shit is way too punishing for no reason.

[jolly sierra]

always have been

[jolly sierra]

i have a warrior killing everyone in a bg

just noticed frost mages are disgusting

even cloak doesnt dispell the slow

[safe pelican]

Mage being OP was the top consensus from beta lol warrior is the one that caught me off guard

Still gotta get my Fury War to 80

love it

just got in

placement q for MM hunter lets get it

[jolly sierra]

oh

[safe pelican]

Went 3/3 , gearing my fury war this weekend class is still broken af after the nerf

[jolly sierra]

ik

fury is still a threat

same as frost mages

[indigo hill]

That nerf to war didnt do much. Imo its even worse looking at how simple the spec is.

[jolly sierra]

ye, the nerf was small indeed

i still see warrior topping kills in pvp

[safe pelican]

Shuffles Q’s are back to being trash

Game dead

[warped gate]

I am getting my cheeks clapped in Shuffle and have no idea why. I'm going from 5-1's to 1-5's and absolutely nothing is changing between lobbies.

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[warped gate]

That and dudes just flopping and I dunno if I could've did more to help them or not.

[jolly sierra]

nah i think is lack of balance atm