pvp

[spring bough]

Good looks. I’m gonna have to farm those up. I either use the off color defias boots or the Boots of Inner Calm. Kinda the same color and has gold highlights

[minor relic]

what off color 😮

[spring bough]

I meant it as they don’t match the vancleef set color

[minor relic]

i understood it was same model different color

but hey gratz the look, it's nice to see a fellow

[potent pivot]

some things you have to double check that can be incorrect/out of date

[warped gate]

YEEEEEAAAAAAH BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIII, 1600!

[spring bough]

I found an easy quest for the same mog as those. But can’t do it on my rogue cause it’s a gadgetzan npc quest and I’m bloodsail friendly 😭

[warped gate]

Now where do I get the complementary tier?!

[spring bough]

It’s in the spider zone at the new raid area

There is a vendor out there with them

[warped gate]

Thanks, finally found him with some Google-Fu.

[spring bough]

Displacement boots. AH. It’s the original mog. Go complete your set!!!!!!

[warped gate]

Awww yeah, 2P!

[minor relic]

wait what

i was in a bg and i just got to 1600 also, gz

[potent pivot]

You can macro badge to symbols

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=206509/displacement-boots#comments

OG mog

20k gold on AH

[minor relic]

it's 3K for me tho

[spring bough]

Complete your Vancleef

[minor relic]

omg

thank you

oh yeha the actual boots are 400K gold, the pattern is 3K

[spring bough]

20k on tich

[minor relic]

🥲

didn't know they were available tho, nice

what does that even mean lol

[potent pivot]

The pve embellishments don’t seem as good for pvp, that’s why we’re mostly just using double vers lining

[spring bough]

Me and some preso held LM from 2 unholy dk, a mistweaver and a fury

[minor relic]

what is up with mistweavers in flag maps

got tier piece can sleep in peace, good night rogues

[spring bough]

He was fistweaving lol

[static spire]

what rogue spec feels easiet to play in bg currently?

[warped gate]

I feel you, but I wanna test it first.

But I'm burned out on Solo Shuffle so I'm off to godstomp a random BG. :3

[potent pivot]

Whichever spec you’re the most comfortable on really, they’re tuned pretty closely

[vocal surge]

Makes you harder to see

It makes your stealth act as if you were a level or 2 higher

[severe hazel]

"With the 9 Conquest level Heraldries, we can craft boots+X, some sweatier players have been crafting weapons" / can someone explain this from the pins. why would we not want to craft one weapon besides boots?

[severe hazel]

but we need 2 weapons anyways or am i missing something

1x craft 1x free

or we just not care about off hand

that early?

or do we actually get two weapons from the quest?

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeexo

Dont sleep

Factory boss

[spring bough]

This sub rogue duels an evo as I hit KS

And it went off in his duel

So guy got hit by sub in duel and my KS at the same time

[surreal barn]

new tech

At one point you could duel at the same time

For a 2v1 lol

Or wait, yeah it was vendetta unerring vision

Then you could both fight in the duel

[spring bough]

Went off carts for this mines game…. Pally told me I was dumb

Can’t do anything right in blitz to some people out here lmaooo

[wheat flint]

What embelishment for weapon for Sub?

[spring bough]

Check out the pins. Trickz has it all laid out

[spring bough]

We did it yall max sockets before reset 😂

[stoic spruce]

Offhand is always last

[fading sun]

what's the deal with these two being different numbers?

[stoic spruce]

It's not retroactive

[spring bough]

Gonna take until week 3 to get wep

Oh rip you didn’t get quest right away

[fading sun]

i meant more i've earned different amounts, but I think what Ghoulish said makes sense

yeah

[spring bough]

Week 4**

[fading sun]

hopefully 120 points isn't the difference between week 3 and 4

[spring bough]

🪦

Oh nvm you’ll be good get 2800 points by week 3

[spring bough]

Just had a twin peaks blitz. 10 casts of killing spree for 16 mil overall on it. 1.6mil a cast lol

[tribal badger]

alright first elite set of the season down 😴

hunter next

[safe pelican]

Spent the night gearing my assa rogue only have 3 purples right now but the dmg is nice gotta make the most of the subterfuge windows with no dance lol

[safe pelican]

Finally get my ilvl high enough to queue shuffle and i get a 25 minute queue 🙂‍↕️… sigh

[clever marten]

are you guys playing fatebound or ds as sin

[stoic spruce]

Ds

[hybrid rapids]

Hey chat anyone can tell which pieces we want to craft?

[worthy crag]

leather

[azure rapids]

— Today at 6:37 AM is that bad at that hour?:D

[mystic shoal]

tier stats are the same regardless of if pvp tier or not right

or does all pvp tier come w vers

[worthy crag]

same. only diff is ilvl increase in pvp

[indigo hill]

I've noticed first queue is about 25min. After that Its about 5.

[fading sun]

waited 20 minutes for solo shuffle, got one win, power goes out, come back to deserter and lost rating. the universe doesn't want me to learn how rogue pvp works

[warm tundra]

unironically, thats some good karma

swap brother

[forest compass]

If i hit 1.6 in arena in second week will i still get free set piece?

[lyric onyx]

Yeah is whole season

[forest compass]

Is it actualy piece or just upgrade token?

[wintry dew]

Piece

With that token you can either buy PvE or PvP gear

Tier set

[mellow egret]

Hey guys, been playing a DH since last season of dragonflight and am wanting to make a rogue, any recommendations for which spec to play? Also ive heard dont use a boost, just lvl, that still solid advice for someone new to rogue?(ive never used a boost but got one from buying expansion)

[formal crystal]

is it just me or does coup the grace feel bugged?

it feels like it does 0 dmg at all for me

[azure rapids]

You can try to lvl one and keep switching specs,see what you like gameplay wise and go with that

[cyan mural]

Nice. What queue did you play? Shuffle, 3v3 or something else?

[cyan mural]

The problem is, that you only get the "correct" feel for the build once you have the Keytalents. Like for assa in dungeons, once you have the bottom talents, that let you aoe spread your garrote out of stealth the build is going to start "function" correctly. So, during a lot of the level phase you dont actually experience how the spec is going to feel and (probably) cant judge, if you going to like it. If you boost and then take like 30min time to sit down and read every ability you got and read through the talent tree, I think there is no problem with just boosting.

[indigo hill]

Noticed something about it yesterday as well. One I was fighting had no defence up but my coup did no damage and was very slow. Might be a bug with the charge or something idk.

[formal crystal]

ye its crazy slow

starting to give up lol im way to bad

[fiery turret]

How is murlok.io actually tracking talents? Is it the ones used in the matches - or the players at logout? The reason im asking is, that I'm confused as to why so many people seem to run the AoE-talents on assass (CT and indiscrimate carnage) over kingsbane and dragon tempered blades.

Maybe i'm just using a wrong talentspec ig - just seems weird to me

(important to note, im talking 2v2 arena here)

[wanton breach]

afaik mulrok.io draws information from the wow armory - so on logout
Kingsbane is pretty shit atm - even in 2v2

[formal crystal]

u guys have any WA with audio if someone pops cooldowns

[mellow egret]

Okay understood thank you for the explanation!!

[warm tundra]

how important are embellishments for pvp?

[potent pivot]

They’re all only ~2% dps, if that

[warm tundra]

thank god forgot to add mine when crafting

[potent pivot]

You can add them by getting the items recrafted

[warm tundra]

so embellised crafted pvp gear, enhancements, anything else we're going to use thats not directly found at the conquest NPC ?

[potent pivot]

Sockets and gems

[lyric onyx]

NA people what did the conq cap increase to this week?

[spring bough]

It should be 2200 cap today, 600 more

[potent pivot]

It hasn’t increased yet, but it’s 600 per week

[lyric onyx]

Thanks friends

Also boooo no weps this week

[wanton breach]

just craft one

[lyric onyx]

Yee but mog

[lyric thistle]

Hello meybe dumb question but when i do mainly pve and already used calatyst to get 2-set for pve. Is there any other way to get 4-set in pvp other than catalyst? I know at 1600 we get 1 set item but othet than that all is catalyst?

[severe hazel]

@lyric thistle there isnt

guys, do we expect dracthyr to be the best race for rogue going forward?

[outer sky]

Nope

[severe hazel]

cool glad i can go nelf then i expected the flying to be op

[potent pivot]

You might get surprised

[severe hazel]

😅

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty sure a lot of people will swap even if it’s just to try it out

[severe hazel]

yeah pretty sure

just cant stand orc anymore

[azure rapids]

will you have a bigger conquest cap tommorow if you havent done anything the previous week ?

[lyric onyx]

Yes

Everyone’s caps will always be the same

[severe hazel]

@azure rapids from what i have learned you can not get behind on anything "important" conq, bloody tokens etc

[azure rapids]

should it not be 2k+ for somebody who did nothing the previous one?

it`s cumulative

should be

[lyric onyx]

Everyone’s will be 2200

If I earned 1600 this week, I can earn 600 more tomorrow

If you earned 0 last week you can earn 2200 tomorrow

[azure rapids]

yep,makes sense

ty

[tribal badger]

Shuffle as law

[severe hazel]

guys how has your blitz experience been so far?

[wintry dew]

Holy shit only 600?

[wintry dew]

I barely started but most people think that killing enemies = winning the bg objectives

Capture the flag? Just fight somewhere random, flags don't exist

[potent pivot]

[severe hazel]

so just the usual bg experience xD

do we know when the patch with rogue reworks will be live? where they remove vanish cdr

[potent pivot]

November

[wintry dew]

During the anniversary event

[severe hazel]

ah so quite some time

thanks

[crimson torrent]

whats this addon or plater on the side that tells if the target is stun or used a defensive ?

[wintry dew]

Omni something

And big debuffs

[potent pivot]

bigdebuffs

you have to enable that functionality in the settings

[potent pivot]

do you know if something is happening with timewarped badges?

i thought i heard someone saying they needed to spend all of theirs before the event, like they were going away or something

[wintry dew]

I believe there will be items sold for time warped badges. But they will introduce a new currency as well

[potent pivot]

gotcha

everyone's gonna go hard for the anniversary rewards i'm sure

[wintry dew]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1834654559807193507?s=19

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

The new updated Tier 2 Ensembles will cost 80 Bronze Celebration Tokens for each set

Twitter · Sep 13, 2024, 6:05 PM

[potent pivot]

i assume most of those rewards won't be coming back for a long time

[wintry dew]

I bet they won't yes

We gotta go hard

[rancid mist]

They talked about a refresh of tinewarped badge rewards iirc

[wintry dew]

During these 2 months

[formal crystal]

except the gear we can get for mark of honor in dornogal can we use them some place else?

ik before u could buy old set transmogs

in ogri

[wintry dew]

Still can

[formal crystal]

nice :D

[wintry dew]

You can buy all the old pvp sets with marks of honor

[formal crystal]

r they all at ogri

or different places

[potent pivot]

diff

[wintry dew]

DF sets will be available during November iirc

[potent pivot]

almost every old major city has old pvp vendors

[formal crystal]

oh oka

so ill have to look up which set i want and where it is?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[formal crystal]

do i see that in the tmog tab or

[potent pivot]

apparently you can do sun king with just the new bandages now btw,

didn't know if you knew or not

[potent pivot]

find the set you want, then look it up on wowhead. that's what i do anyway.

[wintry dew]

Yep I gave the idea to @latent patrol and he confirmed it worked

[potent pivot]

yeah someone made a yt video of it as well

[rancid mist]

Extremely dumb question but I want to sanity check: Assa uses Wound poison, not deadly in PvP, right?

[wintry dew]

Finally we have the way to solo that raid

You're right

[rancid mist]

I thought so but I wanted to check just in case, haha

[wintry dew]

You'd only use deadly if your team had mortal strike effect besides your wound poison

[rancid mist]

Ah, that makes total sense

[wintry dew]

And even then idk of that would be worth it

[rancid mist]

Nod

[potent pivot]

it depends

not all MS are as good as ours

Deadly's dmg is so bad anyway that it's w/e

[rancid mist]

Cool, that makes sense, thanks for explaining 😄

Slowly getting used to Assa in PvP because I really, really struggled as Sub due to lack of PvP knowledge.

[wintry dew]

Same

[rancid mist]

Need the 1800 set. Finally gotta learn to push buttons right in pvp.

[potent pivot]

1800 this week for sure

[wintry dew]

I actually quit shuffle

I'll do bgs

[rancid mist]

I'm wondering if BGS are gonna be a better bet too.

I think I did 1500 back in Legion which didn't feel impossible

[potent pivot]

blitz is really deflated

the cr comes very slowly

compared to shuff

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

i was unable to super soldier, had 10 hours of work this night lol

[potent pivot]

everything got nerfed (except MM/frost)

and dk

[inner tartan]

for outlaw pvp what tree is better

[jolly sierra]

trickz why u are a rog

stop

dk is not the way lol

[azure rapids]

Fatebound overall is better for DMG increase

[potent pivot]

But ME SMASH

I barely even play the op spec (unholy)

I do not support pet specs in arenas ok

[jolly sierra]

i see i see lol

keep playing dk while u can, we will remember this

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[outer sky]

I got 1800 day 2 :/

[warm tundra]

it would be cool if pets could die or be worth ccing and not just be RP clutter to missclick on

so just hunter having pets would be cool

[wintry dew]

I could have reached 1800 too if I didn't reach 1793 twice just to follow up with 0-6 twice

And I'm not a good pvper myself and I rage too much and I rather do blitz for now I'm order to reserve some sanity

[rancid mist]

So close though, that's really good.

[wintry dew]

It isn't for my mental health

[outer sky]

I've seen hunter pets die many times

[wintry dew]

I punched my chair way to many times

I actually hate pvp

[rancid mist]

Ye, I know that feeling

[outer sky]

And then the hunter has to turtle to rez it

[wintry dew]

But I hate fomo even more

[rancid mist]

Sameee

Gotta have it

[wintry dew]

It's something I most likely won't use in the future

[potent pivot]

i think pets are fine. the problem is blizzard does not change their UI to properly support having those pets in arenas.

[wintry dew]

But I HAVE it

I since I'm only missing 2 pieces now, I really have to get it

[rancid mist]

I want pieces of it to make a new outfit due to it's unique colour. Blizz getting me to pvp. Which is probably worse for the other people in pvp than for me but...

[wintry dew]

In theory I would never use the shoulders of the set. They look dumb as fuck

[rancid mist]

They do, yeah

But the helm..

[wintry dew]

The helm is alright.nfor me it's the chespiece / gloves

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

You can use the firelands HC rogue shoulders to complement that area

[potent pivot]

don't mock my full sets

they are all i have

[wintry dew]

Smh

[plucky escarp]

Full Set Andy Trick

[potent pivot]

actually the purple Arathi shoulders look nice

and the tabard

[plucky escarp]

Let’s heckle him

[wintry dew]

Instead of those shoulders, check the firelands HC shoulders

They have a nice flow with the set

[rancid mist]

That's a good suggestion

They look rad with it

[wintry dew]

I'm not home so I can't show how it looks like

[rancid mist]

1600 is everything but helm + shoulders, right?

[wintry dew]

Yes

[rancid mist]

Coo', thanks.

[wintry dew]

1600 is quite simple to get

[rancid mist]

Yeah, I managed it in DF S3

[potent pivot]

yeah those are okay

[rancid mist]

The red glad set is really pretty, too.

[tribal badger]

honestly the belt is one of the best parts of the set

[rancid mist]

The stone is so pretty

[tribal badger]

the pics of it from wowhead did not do it justice until i put the set on

[wintry dew]

I honestly dislike the belt, I feel like it is too big

[tribal badger]

that is a very pretty piece of equipment they made

[rancid mist]

I really like the leggings because they have the little buttcape. I do not know the technical term.

[tribal badger]

i cant remember any piece of gear theyve animated like that stone

[wintry dew]

Oh the belt gem is really good

Really well done

[tribal badger]

oh yea i mean the wrap around the belt is w/e

i wish it was a bit smaller or more stylized

but the gem itself is wild

[wintry dew]

A shame the pvp elite pants are green and the set is purple

[rancid mist]

Yeah

The.. LFR ones, I think? fit really well with the rest of the pvp set.

[tribal badger]

yeaaa the pants really feel slightly off

[wintry dew]

The only set that actually has good colors on the pants is lfr

[tribal badger]

i might need to find something new to mog them to tonight

[jolly sierra]

i think the pants can be easily switched

but need to recall other pants xd

[wintry dew]

If anyone wants to confirm, elite / mythic nyalotha

Maybe that purple fits

But with no belt

[potent pivot]

mythic

elite are red

[rancid mist]

Purple matches but the side pauldrons feel a bit cramped

[wintry dew]

That does not look bad actually

[potent pivot]

i like the arathi stuff a lot

[wintry dew]

Same

[rancid mist]

Big same

[wintry dew]

I tried to cook something with it but failed

[rancid mist]

Try them with the uh, delve leather shoulders

Sorry, delve colouring of the arathi set

[potent pivot]

those are blue no?

[wintry dew]

Daggers are whatever

[potent pivot]

yeah i saw this earlier i dig it

[rancid mist]

If you could have both of the shoudlers the same as the left they'd fit decently.

[lyric onyx]

Item description says Deathknight not Death Knight.. unplayable

[wintry dew]

GG

[inner tartan]

why are u posting mogs in pvp is this why i have been missign alot of them

xd jk

[wintry dew]

Heheheheh

[lone anvil]

Yo

In your guys opinion, what classes does rogue hard counter and what classes hard counter rogue?

Personally I seem to struggle with Ret Paladin and Frost Mage most rn. I can't tell warlock and hunter I haven't faced enough 1v1. I think I can take Hunter if I have shadow steps up but warlock I think fucks me

[potent pivot]

Rogue somewhat counters warrior I think

[lone anvil]

I have beaten every equally geared warrior I've dueled. But maybe they're just bad idk

I bait their burst. Pop evasion and disarm. Then vanish, cheap shot, and counter burst and seems to get moat

Most*

[jolly sierra]

u can just

open on them w cheap

dot up

deathmark

vanish

[potent pivot]

Right now I think more specs counter us

Than we counter other specs

[lone anvil]

I don't know if I fuck up boomkins or if I've only fought bad boomies

But I seem to mess alot of them up in warmode

I struggle with shadow priest a lot

[lyric onyx]

More room to show off our skill

[worthy crag]

because other classes are gifted with creeping utility while rogue has been getting consecutive nerfs to their own

hunters get to have both scatter shot and binding shot, on top of getting explosive trap not competing with each other, windwalkers get their slowfall kick as an added bonus in TWW

and i've been noticing at least pres evokers teleporting around

must be a new thing

[spring bough]

They are just so fast it’s like the flash

[inner tartan]

they are so anoying

outlaw counter it well in stealth windows thou still anoying asf thou

[plucky escarp]

I think my 3s team is going to try sub /devoker / disc priest tonight. I feel like it should be pretty nasty.

[wanton breach]

new hero talent for pres/aug evoker

[worthy crag]

yeah and tbh rogue hero talent is pretty underwhelming, like its an added dmg source but that's kinda literally just it

and it makes target swapping a pain in the ass

I'm talking specifically for DS though

[potent pivot]

Yeah it honestly feels trash right now

[worthy crag]

There are a handful of classes that got additional jumps/micro ccs etc and rogue is kinda just sitting with less than previous stuff

[potent pivot]

I’m usually the last person to doom about rogue but fuck

[worthy crag]

yeah it's just a fact sadly

when it comes down to counting numbers

[potent pivot]

If we had old manuv back I think that would solve half of our problems atm

But definitely not all of them

[worthy crag]

i'm kinda at a weird crossroad rn trying to make a decision whether or not I'll:

1. try to get elite/glad on rogue before the november patches come which is pretty damn difficult because people I played with all quit over the years and Ill have to pug it
2. continue on that path with post-patch sub and rage at myself for enduring the pain
3. commit to practicing an alt class and just get it with natural inflation over the season

Like as things stand right now, I just cannot imagine following sub win plans without shadowdust

[potent pivot]

Playing other classes genuinely feels like playing the game in god mode compared to playing rogue atm

[worthy crag]

like every blades the enemy team would just have netherwalk, blur, reverse, disarm, shockwave, war banner, 1.5 min healer trinket back

Cant really speak much for the other two rogue specs but

they also just have less than they used to

I guess double grappling hook is nice

but with the current amount of snare i dont even know

[static mason]

sorry if this is a noob question but ive running outlaw in threes with frost mage and disc friends and im doing substantially lower damage than the mage and I was wondering how much dam is outlaw supposed to do relative to frost

[lone anvil]

I've seen so many put rogue in A or S tier. Why do you think there is a descrepency?

1. Rogue is OP in certain scenarios like in 3v3 with designated heals. But isn't good across the board in a variety of circumstances?
   Or maybe
2. Rogue can be a menace in the hands of a very skilled no-life rank 1 player but to the average person who picks up the class it will be tough
   Or maybe
3. Just detached content creators who speak about things in which they have no knowledge

[worthy crag]

Rogue isn't bad as it currently stands right now

[lone anvil]

People are talking like it's gutted

[worthy crag]

Because utility has been creeping for other classes and pruning for rogues

and alot of that is in perspective of the upcoming changes which isn't in game yet but you can't blame people for speculating with datamined stuff

As for sub, it's in a weird state where it's "currently good" but it is also extremely sweaty, and then with the upcoming changes it will just be mediocre and remain just as sweaty

whereas marksman can press rapid fire and do 4x the damage of a shadow dance

[lone anvil]

What big changes are you referring to

Maybe I'm not caught up on the lore

[worthy crag]

well there was one substantial change with kidney shot being nerfed to 30 second cd up from 20, and then there are coming changes removing sepsis and invigorating shadowdust

not sure i'd call that "lore"

oh and gouge was nerfed by 5 seconds increased cd too. Definitely noticeable in games

And with the current expansion there's been a large shift to just doing aoe damage across the board in pvp to press the healer

and rogue is arguably weak in that department

[lone anvil]

Im referring to the casual useage of the term. Essentially "give me the run down"

Like saying "gimme the lore on _____" but you could replace lore with the word history

[potent pivot]

No one can really answer that with proper factual statements. It depends on so many factors. But you shouldn’t be doing substantially less damage than them, no.

[potent pivot]

They say that for high level 3v3

[worthy crag]

one of the most tiring factors for rogue, at least sub, is that you can only do so much by yourself past a certain level unless you already have teammates who are coordinatd/know what they are doing

which is a condition that multi R1 players can easily meet but not so easy for others

[ocean thunder]

Frankly, I feel that I can play as long as I have meld/ vanish charges, so I can re-apply garrote and CC (healer).
When those are gone, it feels REALLY bad.

Moreover, every game vs frost mage / affli, which you can't really kill and you hope there's a warrior or something.
Evokers are also SUPER nasty to reach (especially devastation) so as said 'we are just there to give rating to frostmage, dk, ferals, WWs etc'

[lime oar]

Are we cooked

Yes

Will that stop me from playing sub?

No

[worthy crag]

That was my mindset dating since like legion season 6 xd

and I think i might be ready to move on

[severe hazel]

guys what is your prefered opener to stun lock a target and also make sure to get deathmark stacks up as sub?

[jolly sierra]

isnt deathmark an assa thing?

[rancid mist]

Sub has the tree too

I assume they mean Deathstalkers mark anyway

[severe hazel]

yeah thats what i mean

[candid tide]

sub openers are very diverse

[cyan gate]

Yo how does Rmp play now? Just stun gouge blind on heals lock down dps ?

[candid tide]

some people like to pop shadowblades with dance

others like to shadowblades beforehand till thief bargains runs out a lil

[cyan gate]

@severe hazel

[severe hazel]

thanks

[candid tide]

ah the nahj opener yeah

its a diff one too

[severe hazel]

@candid tide yeah i know just wanted to see what ppl go with

depends a lot on the situation, cooldowns etc

[candid tide]

see nahj actually pop shadowblades during dance

which cost him -10% dmg reduction from thiefs bargain

but i guess he just go for it and spam evis after dance from the remaining shadowblade duration

[lone anvil]

Silly question: what's it mean to "train" someone and where does the term come from?

If it was around previously I never heard it. But upon returning to the game I hear it multiple times daily.

At first I thought it meant when multiple people focus on one person "we trained down their healer" and thought it was an apology from an adult movie "running train on someone"

But I've heard people use it in a 1v1 context. Is it the same as saying "hard target the healer" or "they were hard targeting me" or does it carry additional meanings

[candid tide]

training a dummy

hitting a dummy

so you use your rotation on the enemy like when u are training ur rotation on a dummy

[severe hazel]

so guys i faction changed and lost the prog for the pvp wep quest

am i rip?

[elder current]

It’s an EverQuest term where you drop mobs on a player (training them). Was adapted to WoW a million years ago to mean everyone hyper focusing a target

[indigo lava]

Greetings

which embelishment for weapon?

[north acorn]

hitting a target for an extended period of time outside of the norm to attempt to kill or create a lot of pressure

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[severe hazel]

haha

indeed

[indigo lava]

guys which embelishment should i use for weapon?

[north acorn]

focus lense 2x

u can do 2x duskthread too but idk only active above 80% hp meh

[potent pivot]

we don't embellish weapons atm, we use 2x duskthread on leather pieces

[potent pivot]

where are you getting this from

[north acorn]

ive seen a few multi r1 players running it on various classes incl rogue

[potent pivot]

most rogues are using duskthreads

[north acorn]

duskthread only being active above certain hp value is kinda mid imo rather have something that is always going to work

[potent pivot]

all embellishments are kinda mid. you know we use 2x linings all expansion in DF though right

and those linings were 90%+ hp

[north acorn]

yeah but with worse other options

[potent pivot]

debatable lol

[north acorn]

there's actually some decent choices now imo to compete with lining

[potent pivot]

all embellishments are tiny

[north acorn]

ofc

[potent pivot]

worth less than enchants

but most people are using duskthreads

[lone anvil]

I currently have a dusk thread on my crafted angari Leather boots and bracers. Are there other enchants/embellishments I should use. I have my conquest shoulders tiered out

[tribal badger]

u can only have 2 embels

[potent pivot]

just enchants

[foggy void]

the big play is leveling a siphoning shiv all the way to 639 mythic and then using the double nurubian effect shit hits for like 1 mil lol

[potent pivot]

i also haven't seen any r1 rogues using it, just throwing that out there as well

[potent pivot]

all the pve embellishments will likely be nerfed in pvp

[north acorn]

i played against one in 2s yesterday who was but idr name was a female gnome killed my partner in 3 gcds with 2 200k lense procs and 1mil evis 2x 🙂

[potent pivot]

sounds like they would've been globaled regardless

[tribal badger]

ok but 400k damage in lens procs is like 6% of ur max hp in damage

[potent pivot]

[tribal badger]

that is really

is they had 2X dusk vers stacks up they probably woulda done more damage from abilities then those procs did

[north acorn]

unlikely since he was 50% hp at the time

[tribal badger]

i dont think the difference is big regardless

[north acorn]

it isn't

[tribal badger]

i doubt u will really notice a difference in real time

only thing im noticing so far is its hard for healers to deal with rot this season

as in, im never sitting healthy of the enemy team has 1 cleaver

[north acorn]

but he said he didn't see any r1 rogues using it and i have seen r1 title rogues using it

[tribal badger]

im sitting at like 70-80% hp for half the match

[north acorn]

was less about my partner dying and more about me having seen it

[tribal badger]

so duskthread uptime is a bit rough

[north acorn]

yeah that's why i don't rate it highly

unholy DK is training my partner and i'm 50-70% hp perpetually from dots/passive 30yard cleave

hes not even using gcds on me :)

same w/ afflock

[potent pivot]

it varies but it's always 35-80% uptime give or take

[north acorn]

never gonna be active against these monkey classes that are in every game

[potent pivot]

...

that's just wrong

[north acorn]

ok

i mean from personal experience playing up to 2.1 more than half the games are against comps with either cleave or unh/aff and my hp isn't above 80% too often

i didn't even waste the money, playing without embel in full honor gear 🙂

and that's in real bracket, not shuffle, in shuffle probably even worse since 0 coordination

so less uptime/worse healers

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

I don’t think that’s a proper analysis at all

[worthy crag]

You dont really have a better alternative of an embellishment anyway

[potent pivot]

Last expansion the linings were at 90%+ hp and we ran them anyway

[tribal badger]

linings r way weaker this expac then last tho

s4 BSL gave the same secondaries as duskthread on live

but we have twice the secondary budget

embels r so weak man

[north acorn]

yes

[tribal badger]

also like every damage proc embel was nerfed in pvp

[steep kiln]

what about Adrenal Surge, is that just not out yet?

[tribal badger]

havent checked to see if element focus is nerfed

(yet)

[potent pivot]

The only argument is that we take a lot of dmg atm and most of the op shit just got nerfed so that already matters a bit less this week

[tribal badger]

id assume it is if blizz is consistent

[steep kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315975622335660032/1280969786062274645/spark.png?ex=66e9d594&is=66e88414&hm=de93deba192200d41812b4626794b3b64c7e59ca731ddfba4d9926e30df3fc6b& -200 mastery just not worth? 2k main stat seems nuts compared to duskthread

[tribal badger]

damn u could double that up too

[potent pivot]

It’s a pve embellishment so not sure yet

[tribal badger]

i wonder what its uptime looks like

[gusty hedge]

proc rate is ass, but ill have to test more

[steep kiln]

[tribal badger]

2 rppm, unhasted

12s

hmm

thats like 40% uptime assuming no overlap and ur taking damage constantly the whole arena

[surreal barn]

636 tho

[tribal badger]

so like 700 primary on average?

idk

could be decent, seems kinda of hit or miss to me

[surreal barn]

What kinda of pve bullshit would I need to pull for that

[tribal badger]

if ur not facing a cleave or multidotters for consistent proccing

[surreal barn]

So much cleave now - would be worth having in the pocket

[tribal badger]

yea just not sure if im sold on its average value even assuming perfect uptime

it could easily overlap as well

the one that procced on cc was too good i guess cant give that back to us 2 expacs in a row

[warm tundra]

what are rogues best comps besides rmp

[north acorn]

rmd

[potent pivot]

rls, rps, assa/dk/x

[warm tundra]

whats rls

lock?

[potent pivot]

rogue lock

[warm tundra]

kk

[warped gate]

I’m running one lining, one weapon grip thing.

I crafted it before folks said double lining was the move.

It seems pretty decent, tbh.

[potent pivot]

weapon grip+the doubling nerubian emb aren't terrible, just low uptime

[wintry axle]

which conquest buys are u guys doing this week as sub?

[potent pivot]

you only get 600 conq, so just buy whatever piece with the most agi you can

[lone anvil]

DK/assassination is meta for 2's?

[potent pivot]

no

[lone anvil]

Dang

[potent pivot]

with a healer for 3s

[wintry axle]

I mean as in first week, for the 1600 we get 🙂 I bought shoulders and tiered them, but for the remaining i see some going trinket, and some just saving the conquest

[lone anvil]

I prefer double DPS for 2s it's just rarely meta.

I like that healers are a part of the game but sometimes I don't 🙂

[tribal badger]

wait they r really holding out for w3 weapons with this conq quest?

i assumed it would be week 2

[potent pivot]

there's a gear guide linked in the pins

[tribal badger]

so people who crafted a weap just just gunna have a huge advantage for first 2 weeks

[potent pivot]

idk if i'd call it a huge advantage

[wintry axle]

it only tells us to buy shoulders

[potent pivot]

the 2nd piece depends on your spec

[wintry axle]

Yeah I was wondering for sub, since I see people going trinket but I dont understand why we're not going for agi pieces

[potent pivot]

for sub buy badge

[wintry axle]

ait, thanks mate.

[potent pivot]

because it's more on demand agi during your burst

[wintry axle]

hmm alright, im afraid to commit to sub with the incoming thistle tea change lol

[warped gate]

I take back what I said, this is a baby brained take, I’m gonna fucking miss SS so goddamn much.

[tribal badger]

i feel like outlaw is gunna be dead in the water with no SS

its already feeling like its gunna be a mid spec at best this season when everyones fully geared

i will say ive landed 3 kills this season so far using step kspree tech tho so

gunna be sad to see that go

[potent pivot]

the thistle tea change literally means nothing man

[warped gate]

For me it’s gonna be all about catching people on elevation stuff.

I can’t grapple to where that hunter is melting me, I could’ve stepped though.

[wintry axle]

Alright, great.

[potent pivot]

it's still going to be an active ability that you press

[wintry axle]

Is it? doesnt it autoactivate beloew 50energy?

[potent pivot]

the only thing that changes is outside of your burst windows, you don't let yourself drop below the energy threshold

[tribal badger]

they actually lowered it to 30 energy threshold as well

its just added on to how the ability works on live

[potent pivot]

it's below 30 energy, and it's still an active ability

[tribal badger]

to automate it for people who dont wanna press it

[wintry axle]

Oh alright, lol then its not a problem

[tribal badger]

the way sin and sub use it probably wont change at all

u might just need to make sure u dont full drain energy

[wintry axle]

Do you guys macro the badge to something or do you manually activate it? sorry for the shitty questions lol

[tribal badger]

its mostly for law

[potent pivot]

i macro it to Symbols

[wintry axle]

great, as do I

[warped gate]

I macroed to Adrenaline Rush.

[potent pivot]

that's a bad idea

[warped gate]

Why?

[potent pivot]

iirc badge breaks stealth

[wintry axle]

it does

[tribal badger]

it does yes

[potent pivot]

then yeah, bad idea fr

you want to ADR->SnD->RtB before your opener

[tribal badger]

also just because u use ADR rotationally in stealth as a builder for more "burst" during crackshot and not when its down

so u might end up using it times when ur not wanting to do an all in

[warm tundra]

macro to your burst cd, im sure some high rank players will have something to say about this but you can ignore it

[tribal badger]

i used to macro it to dance as law

rip dance

[warped gate]

I keep a bind of ADR by itself for the beginning of the game, during the match if I use it, I’m Vanishing immediately after.

[potent pivot]

[lyric onyx]

first 6-0 of the season secured

[tribal badger]

also because u wont effectively use badge on cd if u macro it to adr because u are not using adr one time am inute on the minute

but i just go for passive proc trinket as law anyway

[warm tundra]

you dont need to only click it with adr

[spring bough]

How many more bloody token points do we get this week

[warm tundra]

but macroing it to adr is important so it always procs then

[potent pivot]

why would you run badge as law in the first place though, honestly

[warm tundra]

without needing to piano

[potent pivot]

don't think we know yet

[potent pivot]

this is what you want to do yeah

[spring bough]

Servers not back up yet??

[warped gate]

Because we don’t have a dedicated Outlaw PvP channel and I’m out here like Dan from Street Fighter just making stuff up because I can’t find out stuff quick.

[tribal badger]

badge felt ok when we had dance

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

Cop that haste trinket brother

[tribal badger]

because it lined up, it gave better secondaries then the haste of the other trinket

[lyric onyx]

is sarena updated for TWW?

[tribal badger]

but i wouldnt bother with it now

[potent pivot]

you can always ask

[tribal badger]

we need the haste anyway

pay the haste tax

[warped gate]

Unfortunately it was the first thing I bought with Conquest so that’s gonna take a while.

I came from WW Monk where burst trinket was life so I defaulted to that as my first buy.

[potent pivot]

that's why i didn't include the 2nd conq item in the gear faq. so this wouldn't happen to non sub players >_<

[warm tundra]

why is every rogue pvp streamer going sub man

i need just one decent human being to spectate

[wintry axle]

@potent pivot do you also macro thistletea into the same symbols macro?

[potent pivot]

noo

you might end up wanting to use tea with just dance at some point

[wintry axle]

alright

I hate the opening burst window after rup, where I ahve to symbols, dance and tea

lol

[warm tundra]

this one i agree with too

tea is really important to have up whenever you need

[potent pivot]

practice man

[warm tundra]

symbols and dance macro

[potent pivot]

as you get used to it, pressing it all becomes easy

[warm tundra]

then shadowstrike>tea>evis/secret tech

the gcd will give you plenty of time to press tea and shadowstrike is muscle memory

[warped gate]

So hey, what’s the ideal opening after ADR/SnD/RtB? Kidney, Ambush to get points and then BtE spam?

[potent pivot]

you need dance solo anyway so it's kinda pointless

[warm tundra]

if there's any consolation, its kind of universally agreed rogue's rotation feels like ass at least from non-diehard rogue players

[warm tundra]

wdym? why would you want to click dance without symbols

[potent pivot]

.......bro

i feel like i've already told you this

[warm tundra]

doubt it

[potent pivot]

i don't

because i remember it

you need dance on it's own bind because sometimes you dance to CC

[lone anvil]

There's a search bar up top

Pull up receipts to check mate his ass

[warm tundra]

good point

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[warm tundra]

wont change my macro tho

[potent pivot]

you don't have to

as long as you don't recommend bad things to others

we gucci

[warm tundra]

will be my protest for all these bullshit mini-cds

dust is gone, symbols next

[potent pivot]

that has been sub

forever

most of us like it

[halcyon timber]

f that cope

[warm tundra]

really?

[halcyon timber]

yep

[warm tundra]

its like the only cd i actually dislike

i dont even dislike dust lol

[spring bough]

Sub is next they’ll rename it like combat 😂

[warm tundra]

well, that and tea and snd

but the other 2 are gone for the most part

[halcyon timber]

it's an impactful ability and is core to subtlety ever since sanguinary vein was removed

jamming "everything" into dance stifles us

[lone anvil]

When I used tp play rogue I played mostly combat and then switch to Sub near the end.

Since I came back I've been assassination cause I hear sub has major button bloat just for simplicity but sometimes I miss sub

[potent pivot]

takes like these are actually what's ruining rogue

straight up

slice is whatever

auto tea is dog shit

[lone anvil]

I didn't like tea at first

[halcyon timber]

encourages a watchful eye

[lone anvil]

But now I love tea

[halcyon timber]

ig

[warm tundra]

i said i dont like tea

not that i like auto tea

[halcyon timber]

I don't care for tea but i'm happy for others that DO because that is their choice

and choices should be impactful and meaningful

[potent pivot]

to me it just sounds like you dislike off GCD abilities and binds

[spring bough]

WTB back the days of outlaw having a 20 minute SND buff lol

[halcyon timber]

instead of "i don't like x" so remove it is very hivemind cultist like

[lone anvil]

I don't like reprimand lmao but apparently no one does

[halcyon timber]

Some people do

"no one" is an inappropriate statement

[lone anvil]

I don't even use reprimand in PvE

[warm tundra]

i do hate off-gcd when there's too many, i think a sweetspot is 3~ for offensive spells

[vocal surge]

Can we get an improved reprimand back

[potent pivot]

it sounds like sub just ain't for you then ngl

[lone anvil]

Strictly speaking yes. But language can be hyperbolic and not always used in a literal precise sense

[halcyon timber]

Nope, we are getting the new version

[warm tundra]

sub is my favorite rogue spec

[halcyon timber]

Then be specific sir

[potent pivot]

but you dislike half of it's CDs?

[spring bough]

Can we bring back sub swords like vanilla? I’d play that

[halcyon timber]

people are impressionable and it starts a wild fire of nonsense

[spring bough]

Hemo too

[lone anvil]

I am specific when I wish to be and when it's required. Hyperbole is in the English language for a reason

[halcyon timber]

Hemo isn't coming back and neither is any of the old stuff

[warm tundra]

i like its burst, mobility and shadowy duel/cc in general

[halcyon timber]

That's cool Spidey, I appreciate your honesty

[warm tundra]

it feels 100x more mobile and active and impactful than other 2 specs to me

[potent pivot]

outlaw is more mobile/active

[warm tundra]

sin is fun but when i play it too much i start feeling like a melee lock

[potent pivot]

sub is the burst spec yeah, but that burst comes from those CDs

[warm tundra]

yeah but i cant keep up with the rotation at all

[halcyon timber]

Different styles and talent choices gravitate to other people

and that's a good thing

[potent pivot]

just practice bro

i swear just about anyone can have sub's rotation down pat, it just takes practice

[warm tundra]

outlaw u mean?

[steep kiln]

what you all buying with bloody tokens this week?

[potent pivot]

oh you meant outlaw

[warm tundra]

ye

im good on sub's rotation lol

[potent pivot]

my statement is true for both

[warm tundra]

obviously im not perfect at it

but im good enough to see results

more so than on assassin for some reason even though its a much easier spec

[potent pivot]

it's harder to stay alive as assa

Which is gonna be a lot more similar for sub after 11.0.5 I think

[plucky escarp]

That will be such a bummer

maybe we get more dam as sub

[halcyon timber]

not likely

[eager yoke]

So tragic theyre removing dust

[halcyon timber]

hivemind won so yeah, it's whatever

[warm tundra]

should be identical besides like the movement speed in stealth

and its actually a big reason i like sub more in pvp

[spring bough]

Yall gonna have to play outlaw if you want CDR

[warm tundra]

health pot>vanish > health pot

is one of my favorite things to do ever

[spring bough]

If they took CDR off outlaw I’d probably quit lmao

[potent pivot]

hook

and CDR

[warm tundra]

bro again SUB

or does it have something called hook that idk about

[potent pivot]

what

[warm tundra]

what hook does sub have

[spring bough]

None lmao

[potent pivot]

outlaw has hook

[warm tundra]

the hook is a big motivator to spec outlaw

but the pistol animations are really goofy even when zoomed out

[tribal badger]

one day blizzard will remember glyphs exist

and outlaw will get glyphs to change to the survival hand crossbow animation or throwing knife animation for PS

[warm tundra]

looking goofy is only interesting when the spec is strong af

like look at that stupid looking thing killing everybody in 20 seconds

[stoic spruce]

WoW up?

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[gusty hedge]

NA 12pm 😭

[potent pivot]

yeah looks like they pushed it back again

[spring bough]

How was wow up faster on launch day lol

[potent pivot]

because of early access staggering it

also, was it?

[spring bough]

Guess they gotta make it perfect for the key pushers

[steep kiln]

some interaction with delves / the vault they prob don't wanna mess up. can imagine the qq

[tribal badger]

because theyd been prepping to launch an expac for months but theyve only been prepping to launch whatever is included in the patch with mythic raid for like 1 week?

[spring bough]

It was def up last Tuesday by this time lol

[tribal badger]

almost all the long maintenances are on reset days

launch days may sometimes end up rather bugged but the servers are rarely down for even as long as a normal weekly maintenance

[potent pivot]

last tuesday wasn't launch lol

[spring bough]

Two Tuesdays?** I’m losing my weeks here

[chrome schooner]

3 weeks ago

[indigo hill]

Outlaw is the most gangsta spec. Swords, guns, grappling hook and the sexiest legion artifact weapons. Way cooler than sub and ass with their pokey sticks.

[spring bough]

lol. I work w numbers everyday can’t even keep track of the week 😭

[inner tartan]

and we gambling big times

aces up our sleeves tossing coins and shooting dice

[lone anvil]

This discord channel is really cool and I appreciate everyone who takes time researching stuff and sharing it with the community

[potent pivot]

Cooler than back sheathing daggers? u crazy

[spring bough]

Thunderfury

WTB another back sheathe sword that’s bigger than my char

[potent pivot]

Assa MT dagger skins clear everything

I like the outlaw pvp skins

[spring bough]

The burnt orange TF is pretty sick

[spring bough]

Or hear me out. They updated tier two. So a new TF 4K skin

[random heath]

i like quickening blade of the prince a lot

[spring bough]

That’s a cool one

[last jasper]

I agree. Outlaw legion wep >>>> anything else. Saying as sub

[potent pivot]

Y’all losing it

[indigo hill]

We got upgraded Thunderfury that backsheets. You ever see trade chat asking for "Did Someone Say....Ass Daggers"? I don't think so. 😎

Just look at it.

Btw anyone know how to make a macro that automaticly swithich between dismantle and bomb?

[potent pivot]

the tips aren't inside the ground, something is wrong

[last jasper]

mage tower appearance is basicaly the reason I leveled a rogue back in legion lol

[potent pivot]

/cast [known:Talent 1] Talent 1;[known:Talent2] Talent 2

[indigo hill]

Ty

[potent pivot]

i think something like that still works

not 100% sure

/cast [known:Mortal Coil] Mortal Coil; [known:Howl of Terror] Howl of Terror```

[wanton breach]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:207777]Disarm;[known:212812]Smoke Bomb

[potent pivot]

is the actual ID required now?

[wanton breach]

no clue tbh, spell name didn't always work for me when I made conditional macros like that

[potent pivot]

yeah i haven't bothered with them since we got the new talent trees tbh

[worthy crag]

spell id is better because whitespaces for spell names are tricky

[wanton breach]

ehhh, can be useful for some abilities to have redundancies, like ghostly strike when known, otherwise sinister strike

[indigo hill]

Neither of those works but ty

[potent pivot]

disarm needs to be dismantle lol

[indigo hill]

Yeah that make sense

[potent pivot]

not sure about the spell id

[last jasper]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Dismantle]Dismantle; [known: Smoke Bomb] Smoke Bomb

this works

[indigo hill]

Works beautifuly TY

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

i think servers are up

[glass echo]

Hey guys, which comp is easier to learn? Rogue Lock or Rogue mage?

[potent pivot]

i don't think many comps are easier to learn than others

[warm tundra]

rogue lock ‼️

[formal crystal]

Rouge mage is nice

just cc open reset if u lose hp eat a cookie

repeat

[glass echo]

ty 🙂

[formal crystal]

wait u can switch talents?

huh

[potent pivot]

wot

[formal crystal]

idk im confused just came back and eating

made 100k just selling vicious bloodstones c:

[hexed blaze]

yo so what patch is this

[surreal barn]

We have a lucky vault boys?

[worthy crag]

Im not sure pvpers really care about vault now

[potent pivot]

the same one it was last week

[hexed blaze]

no changes to classes nerfs or buffs?

[worthy crag]

some affliction nerf

some windwalker nerf

[potent pivot]

yes there are nerfs and buffs

there was multiple posts over the past week

[lone anvil]

I think I asked this the other day. But what are the best partners for Shadow priests in 2v2. I think it's healers with alot of CC, is Resto druid the best pairing for Spriest.

[formal crystal]

ah shiet i havent read it

what happened to outlaw

[potent pivot]

nerfs

[formal crystal]

HUH

outlaw nerfs??

[worthy crag]

spriest is pretty good with a hybrid double dps

like feral

in 2s

or ret

[hexed blaze]

im lukewarm iq i cannot find the link

[formal crystal]

outlaw alrdy feels p weak :'(

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-september-17-1954931

[formal crystal]

so set bonus improved overall nerf

nice

because we were crazy strong

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[formal crystal]

ok well i dont feel that weak compared to others i actually feel quiet alright

[lone anvil]

Is that because both have off heals if necessary?

Spriest + Ret is a top performing team?

[formal crystal]

but i dont wanna get nerfed :p

[worthy crag]

no double dps 2s is a top performing team except maybe rogue mage, and not really even that

Im just saying it's an option in mid range

[formal crystal]

1.4k in 3's gonna get 1.6 and sleep c:

[worthy crag]

offheals, ccs and utility

[lone anvil]

Is there any better options for Spriest in 2s? Probably Evoker + Spriest cause evoker is meta

[worthy crag]

for "meta" considerations it just boils down to finding a healer I guess

[formal crystal]

could anyone explain to me why with set bonus, mastery stacking with tripple threat and improved main gauche and swift slasher is not crazy good?

just curious

[lone anvil]

My buddy plays Spriest and I want to match him as best as possible. I kinda want to play R druid. But also am considering Holy paladin or Evoker.

[potent pivot]

set bonus is kinda dog shit and nerfed by 50% in pvp

[formal crystal]

hUH

[lone anvil]

Druid heals have always been fun but druids aren't great ATM and they're hard countered by evokers which are strong and prevalent

[formal crystal]

tf is it nerfed for

[potent pivot]

almost all tier sets are nerfed in pvp

[formal crystal]

but

ok

the %chance to hit or just the dmg

[lone anvil]

Why is that

If someone wants to sacrifice survivability for damage shouldn't that be a trade off they're allowed to make

[potent pivot]

the 2p is proc chance, 4p %dmg

[candid tide]

would u guys buy chest shoulder, or shoulder-legs?

[lone anvil]

Like be a squishy glass cannon at your own risk

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[potent pivot]

what

[formal crystal]

i lowkey dont care about the 4p

[potent pivot]

why not

[lone anvil]

Why is PvE gear nerfed in PvP

[potent pivot]

it isn't pve gear

[lone anvil]

It gets rid of more options

[formal crystal]

idk the between the eyes r fine but im not FB and im not even going crackshot

[lone anvil]

Its more streamlined and less choices

[potent pivot]

wasn't responding to you

[last jasper]

Prob cuz it lacks vers. I assume

[potent pivot]

fucking up

[potent pivot]

naw i don't think they realize you can catalyst conquest gear?

[wintry axle]

is it worth putting rupture on both targets in dance in arena?

or do we just prioritize burst

[formal crystal]

fucking up? u saying im trolling? :p

[last jasper]

Or that. But my bet is vers 😂

[potent pivot]

naw just your KT

[last jasper]

You win 😂

Damn, took my dk for shuffle. Jesus frost slaps 😂

[potent pivot]

you can catalyst conquest gear to get 639 pvp scaling tier sets

[lone anvil]

I did that already with my conquest shoulders

[potent pivot]

imo a little bit yeah

[lone anvil]

Unless I wasn't supposed to

[potent pivot]

you were

[formal crystal]

idk i tried it but it felt meh ( ur prolly 100x me ) but still

[potent pivot]

but you really don't trade anything you need to use tier sets in pvp

[last jasper]

So why pve gear are nerfed. I’m curious as well

[candid tide]

how do we get more [Harmonized Silk] to convert to tier?

[formal crystal]

i feel like from stealth i just prio ambush and "buffed" pistol shot

[lone anvil]

I understand why pvp gear is nerfed in PvE

[potent pivot]

you don't

you get more catalyst charges every 2 weeks

[candid tide]

i see

[potent pivot]

not every 1 week

[candid tide]

aye

[potent pivot]

wdym

[lone anvil]

They don't want people getting into heroics with a high item level and then having weak PvE gear and holding people back

[candid tide]

well since im not 1600 yet think ima just spend cq on legs

[formal crystal]

ah lowkey should have gone for the trinket and fist weapon upgrade ;)

[lone anvil]

But in an arena setting like 2v2 where you don't need as much versatility if you were lets say 1 v 4 in a BG people should be able to sacrifice survivability for more damage output in PvP if they want

Its not hurting anyone

[potent pivot]

yes but what are you asking exactly

[potent pivot]

vers barely matters when it comes to running tier sets

the only reason you wouldn't run tier, is if you got more damage from other secondary stats

[indigo hill]

Only thing that matters is that you play Outlaw.

[formal crystal]

but notrickz. please tell this, what i understand. when you come from stealth (without crackshot) i wanna get as much ambush and "buffed" pistol shots in right?

but i also wanna cheap shot healer, kidney target and mby slice and dice? like should i SaD after subterfuge? im a bit confused

how to improve opener

[last jasper]

techically its not. you can upgrade pvp gear upto 619. but it still bad stats so it pointless

[indigo hill]

Also did Outlaw get a nerf/buff or same?

[potent pivot]

nerf

[indigo hill]

Even wiht the set changes?

[last jasper]

my bad. I thought the guy was making a statement

[indigo hill]

with

[potent pivot]

yes

[indigo hill]

THose MFers.

[lone anvil]

I'm sorry I'm not following, could you break it down a little more 😅

[indigo hill]

Is it a big nerf?

[potent pivot]

the only reason you wouldn't run tier set in pvp, is if you got more dmg from other secondary stats

you can't choose the secondary stats on tier set items

so if the tier bonus is bad enough, you run your best stats instead

[lone anvil]

When you say tier are you talking about raiding tier

[potent pivot]

~3%

[lone anvil]

Or arena gear

[potent pivot]

why would i ever talk about raiding tier

[lone anvil]

I always thought T1 was raid and S1 was arena

[indigo hill]

Meh thats not that bad.

[lone anvil]

I've never heard pvp gear called tier gear ever

[indigo hill]

S1 means Seaon 1

[potent pivot]

a tier set is a tier set

[indigo hill]

Season

[lone anvil]

T1 = tier 1 = raid

S1 = season 1 pvp gear

[potent pivot]

when we talk about tier set in pvp we're talking about pvp ilvl tier set

you would never run pve tier set in pvp long term

[lone anvil]

I've never heard anyone call pvp gear tier

[potent pivot]

....

[last jasper]

lol

tier set works in both pve and pvp

[alpine tinsel]

Did duskthread lining get removed or am I missing something about getting it put on boots for assa

[lone anvil]

Google S6 sets and T6 sets from different expansions

Tell me the results you get

[potent pivot]

wdym

[indigo hill]

Both pvp and pve get the same Tier set bonus but the item level is different. If you look at gear from a raid you see the item level at the top. 597 for example. With pvp gear you see an extra item level at the bottom of the tooltip like 639 but that item level is only active in pvp. Like BG, Arena and World Pvp.

[potent pivot]

why does this matter at all right now

[steady talon]

What spec is looking to be the most solid? Just came back from a 2 year break and have no clue what's happening

[alpine tinsel]

It's not showing as an embelleshment in the crafting interface for me

[potent pivot]

can you dm me some screenshots or something

[indigo hill]

Outlaw, mate. Especially next patch you get 4 grappling hooks. What more does on need?

[potent pivot]

all 3 are viable

[potent pivot]

can we not troll people please

[alpine tinsel]

yeah hang on, theres a weird healing one but thats it

[potent pivot]

[indigo hill]

Who's trolling? Outlaw is doing great. And you do get 4 grappling hooks next patch.

[jolly sierra]

cmon dont make everything so hard xd

[potent pivot]

"what spec is looking to be the most solid?"

[jolly sierra]

i know i have my differences w trickz but at this step sounds like legal trolling that bruh

[lone anvil]

Idk

[potent pivot]

there are pve AND pvp tier sets

i don't get what the issue is

[alpine tinsel]

theres a scrolldown this season that I missed, ignore me

[potent pivot]

[alpine tinsel]

rerolling fury its at my IQ level apparently

[potent pivot]

yep. playing fury will do that.

[lone anvil]

You're just being confusing when you could easily specify and avoid confusion. We are talking about PvE vs pvp gear and you keep saying tier which doesn't specify and there is terminology that exists already to clarify. Why not just say S1 for PvP

[potent pivot]

it's become diagnosable at this point

[potent pivot]

we're in a pvp channel

i don't need to specify when i say tier here

[lone anvil]

The context was using PvE gear in arena. And you kept saying tier

[potent pivot]

i'm very obviously talking about pvp ilvl tier gear

[lone anvil]

And you don't see why there was confusion

I'll m not a fucking mind reader

You can't assume I know what you're talking about

[potent pivot]

when was that the context though

[indigo hill]

S1 means season one. Raid gear from this season is also s1 gear.

[jolly sierra]

dude here since start of time have crappy tier bonuses called as tiers

would be redundant to call them pvp bonus sets

and wrong

cuz those doesnt exists anymore and are the same as pve

[jolly sierra]

only difference is than the item itself is scaled

and that is all

[indigo hill]

It might be easier to say pve and pvp gear. If you want to be more clear on which one you want to know something about. If you say anything about gear in this channel the assumption is pvp.

[potent pivot]

yes i said that tier sets are nerfed in pvp