pvp

[spring bough]

That’ll be up next 😂

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=895/stormshroud-armor @spring bough try this

[spring bough]

im in the process of farming the blackened defias ensemble lol

[jolly sierra]

i love that xmog

[stoic spruce]

So essentially, when he inevitably ibfs the kidney, preferably vanish but I suppose you can swap and then hit him with the ol kidney/smoke bomb wombo combo and disarm at low health So he can't deathstrike.

[jolly sierra]

but as panda tbh i think some stuff just fits better

[stoic spruce]

I just vanish the ibf

Tbh

If he's bad you can pummel through but I wouldn't recommend

[spring bough]

I have the OG ZG shoulder mog for this 🔥

Zandalari mad cap

[jolly sierra]

damn i hope to have that stuff in retail

ive got the OG gloves by buying the boe recipe before was buyable by npc, costed me a lot i recall

[stoic spruce]

God I love smoke bomb

[jolly sierra]

once ive saw a person here saying was an uneeded talent

lol

[stoic spruce]

Ermmmmm

Ban them??

[jolly sierra]

maybe

lit is the staple

from the toolkit

[potent pivot]

it isn't required for outlaw

at all

:d

[jolly sierra]

dont recall was an outlaw

lemme check

[spring bough]

But we can kill in a stun now

It’s fun

[stoic spruce]

I thought he was sub

That sounds familiar

[potent pivot]

oh thats an oof

[indigo hill]

Trickster is pretty fun. Didn't realise coup has a charge.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's sick

The lockout isn't tho

[spring bough]

Makes up for no blade rush

[indigo hill]

Reminds me of monks queefers.

[quaint cedar]

I thought you had to be engineering profession for that?

[spring bough]

PvP crafting has engi similar ones w the tinker slot

[jolly sierra]

got the message but bruh

[spring bough]

No engineer needed. I got the verse bracers made

[jolly sierra]

was an assa

xd

[quaint cedar]

Oh interesting

What does the tinker slot do?

[jolly sierra]

i will keep that there

[spring bough]

Nothing in rated 😂

Just so I could get more verse out of bracers

[jolly sierra]

is to flex more u have all used

lol

[quaint cedar]

ah ok

btw how are you guys farming your honor for sockets? Bg blitz does not seem to give as much honor as I expected it would

[stoic spruce]

Epics for me

[potent pivot]

arena

[spring bough]

Arena and blitz. I got probably two yesterday playing lol

[quaint cedar]

does shuffle work? my arena partner is out of town rn

[stoic spruce]

They say arena because they lose ebgs

[jolly sierra]

im just doing dailies and passively pushing in blitz

[spring bough]

That’s what I’ve been doing

[jolly sierra]

if i get 1k6 for this week its done

[candid tide]

is blitz harder than shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

its easier imo

but im just slower cuz lack of time

[candid tide]

oh nice, maybe should do it to get ez tier

[potent pivot]

its less inflated rn

so

lil harder

[formal crystal]

do we sell the vicious bloodstones

[jolly sierra]

there are way too much casuals in blitz rn

[formal crystal]

or the thing u buy when u have 3 vicious bloodstones and 5000 honor

[spring bough]

Should craft blue neck / rings too to socket them all. Then just recraft to epic down the road

[formal crystal]

to socket smething

[jolly sierra]

but tbh

[quaint cedar]

so far I found climbing in arena way easier but I also know absolutely nothing about RBG strats so I suck hard at blitz lol

[jolly sierra]

from 8 matches, ive just lose 2

[sleek belfry]

blitz is crazy rn mmr wise

[jolly sierra]

with the first 2 being lit in start

[sleek belfry]

1700cr and 2700mmr games

[jolly sierra]

the first and second time ive run

so would dare to say its easier

[quaint cedar]

they don't come with free sockets anymore though right?

[sleek belfry]

i'm like 22-5 but still

[potent pivot]

the cr is baaaad ya

[candid tide]

cant blizzard make a better matchmaking system?

[jolly sierra]

ask riot

[spring bough]

Nope. But since you can upgrade them with a recraft to conq don’t need to resocket once done

[quaint cedar]

right that makes sense

[spring bough]

I went all haste/verse for now on them might recraft w other stats depending on what gear I go

[sleek belfry]

but even winning 2700mmr games i only get like +24, not even the +29 that used to be max iirc

[potent pivot]

Blitz is the slowest 1.6k you can do

Pretty positive

[formal crystal]

solo arena felt the fastest to 1.6k for me

[spring bough]

Solo def faster than blitz

[formal crystal]

whats the fastest way to get honor rn?

wanna sell the bloodstones haha

[potent pivot]

Arena

[candid tide]

that new thing

with bots xD

[potent pivot]

2s/3s

[formal crystal]

rated?

[topaz bobcat]

wrist craft or?
plz update me on embellished for pvp

[potent pivot]

Ya

[topaz bobcat]

anyone plz

[formal crystal]

i feel like random epic bg also gives alot

[spring bough]

The FCs that use bots to pickup flags in blitz gotta get the ban hammer lol

[potent pivot]

Check the gear faq linked in the pins

[stoic spruce]

They probably spam F

That's what I do.

[potent pivot]

Yeah they just take way longer

[lone anvil]

Ive been attempting to follow the gearing guide in Pins and have a few questions if anyone can help.

I need to use storm charged leather, and I know theres different qualities, my friends told me the quality of the mats doesn't matter cause I can upgrade my gear later.

But this sounds confusing to me lol. Can anyone elaborate

[potent pivot]

I’ve farmed an honor cap per day easily in 3s

[formal crystal]

have u done some this expa? feels like they go p fast heh

oh okay

wait there is an honor cap :p

[potent pivot]

Ye I have

[candid tide]

cause ur winning ^^

[formal crystal]

ah u mean the 15k capacity right?

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[potent pivot]

Quality doesn’t matter

[topaz bobcat]

thanks

[potent pivot]

The gear scales to pvp ilvl in pvp regardless. The quality of the mats is for PvE ilvl only

The mats, embellishments, etc. can all be rank 1

The only quality r3 thing u need is enchants

Because those are added after the craft and not affected by the pvp ilvl scaling

[lone anvil]

Thank you

[potent pivot]

Also true yeah

If you’re not winning a good amount of matches it definitely slows it down

[steep kiln]

been trying to get my casual buddy to 1.6. he usedh is catalyst on boots. the struggle is real

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[wet crown]

No, I mean I think duel triggers that too.

[formal crystal]

i might have done this XD

is it that bad

^didnt

did legs

[steep kiln]

its tough out here

[potent pivot]

then you just use the 1.6k token on another piece, nbd

[jolly sierra]

its ok tho, buy shoulders w the token

[formal crystal]

yupp thats what i did

solo arena is the fastest to 1.6 k tho right

thats what im feeling rn atleast

[potent pivot]

yeah

2s or solo

[warped gate]

I was busting so much ass in SS, then randomly I logged in one day and around 1550 I got dogwalked all the way back down to 1400.

[formal crystal]

but like outlaw doesnt have any burst at all right

its just constant dmg

KS does a bit ig

[warped gate]

I was waiting for the shoe to drop, for me to realize why Outlaw is the meme spec, but it just happened overnight. Just one day they decided to start focusing me over the other guys, for my damage to not quite chunk them down low enough anymore, just lots of bad shit and it just didn’t work out.

[warped gate]

I mean, that’s what they say, but AR BtE Vanish windows are pretty cash money.

[warped gate]

Yeah, I secured a lot of kills with that.

But I just logged out one day, logged in the next and everything I did just stopped working.

[sick wasp]

u mean when u duel the mage if the rof is active it disappears as well?

[formal crystal]

i struggle in solo arena just bcz some random dude is kinda afk with defensives and gets oneshotted

[warped gate]

And then he turns into a livelord when he’s on the opposite team.

[formal crystal]

YES

and when i get someone low the other dps focuses some random thing and healer gets him to full hp

its annoying

[warped gate]

I had a Frost Mage who was an unkillable god amongst men, then when he was on my team I’m like awww yeah, let’s fuck em’ up!

[formal crystal]

XD

[warped gate]

.. And he flops with no Block.

[warped gate]

I had a match where I swear the MW had Life Cuckoon available every single time I was about to kill the dude.

I had to stop and type in /say WHAT THE FUCK just outta frustration.

I know the enemy can’t understand it, but it made me feel better.

[formal crystal]

XDDD

[warped gate]

I’m still not rerolling Outlaw, I rolled Rogue TO play Outlaw this expansion, so I’ll figure something out.

[formal crystal]

and ui need 3w to get rating :)

XD same

leveld a new char

just for outaklw

[warped gate]

[dull bridge]

you need to have engineering yeah

[formal crystal]

Gonna swap it :p

have 1 assa 1 outlaw

[potent pivot]

i don't think you need engi goggles with versa unless you're playing assa maybe

outlaw/sub are tankier

[topaz bobcat]

engi goggles cannot become tier, right?

[potent pivot]

nop

[quaint cedar]

don't think any crafted pieces can be tier

[formal crystal]

has anyone tried?

i mean why shouldnt they

[topaz bobcat]

Does haste for sub ruin rotation or smth like is this really bad?

or sub hates haste cuz it's not valuable

[potent pivot]

because it's not gear earned from seasonal stuff

that's how it's always been with catalyst. it has to be dungeon/raid/conquest items from vendor

[potent pivot]

are you actually using that addon

[topaz bobcat]

which one I dunno what it is, the "upgrade"? no

but I dunno which addon it is

[potent pivot]

ye the upgrade part

looks like Pawn or something

but haste in general doesn't have a lot of interaction for sub

[topaz bobcat]

rupture pad mostly?

and trinket procs which we don't use and mastery + autoattack I guess

[potent pivot]

[topaz bobcat]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:328305] Sepsis; [known:323654] Flagellation

is there a better way to do this? also spellIDs are wrong where do I get?

if they change every patch or smth then should think another way

[potent pivot]

try wowhead

[formal crystal]

idk i must be crazy bad

feels like 1.6k rating is low

but cant get it xd

[topaz bobcat]

it's like 1800 rn

[potent pivot]

its also week 1 and everyone is queuing fotm

so don't feel bad

make sure you actually play all your placement games

climbing from 0 takes a bit

[formal crystal]

why cant i have this shit

yeahhh

i guess

this tank war has 2x my hp and 100x my dmg :)

[jolly sierra]

cuz u need to do more arm workout

[spring bough]

Currently farming coins of air for a red bandana mog 😂

[jolly sierra]

that worth it believe me

[formal crystal]

lul

[spring bough]

“I wanna report this war for queuing prot” 😂 blitz chat never fails

People are ruthless

[jolly sierra]

XDDD

[spring bough]

Prot doesn’t even want to flag carry he said 😂

[jolly sierra]

what bout protadins in SS

[spring bough]

The worst

[jolly sierra]

ye its trolling

[marble zealot]

So Im looking for a stronk pvp spec, is sub, ass or outlaw the way to go now? Where do I find a decent guide?
Mostly been playing healers but feels like I need to give this a go

[quaint cedar]

I had a whiney feral druid in a blitz earlier decide it was already over after the first fight and spent the rest of the game spamming chat to report one of the healers

[jolly sierra]

nice a free 4-2

[quaint cedar]

BG blitz not shuffle

[marble zealot]

Sadly thats not how blitz work 😄

[quaint cedar]

so we just lose lmao

[jolly sierra]

ah fuck

thought was SS

fuck how much can mess up a guy doing nothing

[topaz bobcat]

I don't hink sub is op anymore

they buffed so many specs

feral is the op shit

and destro even in right comp

[marble zealot]

Feral op?

[topaz bobcat]

very

after reset

[quaint cedar]

feral is an S tier spec and somehow gets buffs every week 🤣

[marble zealot]

My druid is resto tho :I

[stoic spruce]

worse

[marble zealot]

YEah wont be playing resto, tierd of healing.. I wanna do dmg 😄

[stoic spruce]

because I hate rdruid, rdruid is good

[quaint cedar]

I have to imagine it must be rough to be rdruid rn with prev and disc running around everywhere

[marble zealot]

Yeah.. Anyhow, rogue. Which spec to have FUN in BG/BGblitz/2s and SS?

[spring bough]

This prot war carried us to a twins win 🙌

He shut up the critics lol

[quaint cedar]

nice

you love to see it

[topaz bobcat]

is there point to elvui now? or just go separate addons

seems like it fell behind

[quaint cedar]

was there ever a point to elvui?

[topaz bobcat]

my addons are few xpacs old

it was teh hot shit in BFA

[stoic spruce]

https://youtube.com/shorts/F9ra9F64q_0?si=3XncmC6a7u22obXr should give this to outlaw tbh

[marble zealot]

So solo pvp, sub,outlaw or ass?

[narrow tangle]

do 4 set worth for sub?

head sholder legs and no mastery piece

[potent pivot]

Any

[potent pivot]

Yes

[spring bough]

This game sucks lmao. Internet been out the last ten minutes right as I got in a game……. 200 rating gone

Optimum can suck one

[lost anvil]

Question, isnt CoS supposed to remove dieseases as well?

[jolly sierra]

optimum pride

https://tenor.com/view/optimum-pride-optimum-meme-optimus-prime-gif-23775545

[surreal barn]

Yes

[lost anvil]

any reason why it doesnt?

[candid tide]

dang it player left after i won first solo

+2 rating xD

[snow mesa]

Is it normal that minecarts spawn so far out

surely not

[lucid citrus]

That is normal

[snow mesa]

you fr?

it feels like they were so much further out

than normal

[jolly sierra]

ye that is normal

[snow mesa]

then enemy team is just

shit

we capped both without resistance

[crimson torrent]

hey guys if ur focusin on pve , i should use my sholder for a tier set piece right ?

like im wasting it on catalyst if ur more of a pve player?

[indigo lava]

Greetings

guys can anyone tell me whats the addon that shows the spell i used , i dont mean weakaura

it shows like ads

[candid tide]

ads?

[indigo lava]

for example its showing the shadowdance whenever its used

or stealth

[spring bough]

Yall been noticing our melee dmg is pretty decent right now??

[indigo lava]

or rupture

[lyric onyx]

Trufigcd

Wait no

Wait yes? I think

[indigo lava]

let me check it🙏

no it's not

do you know which addons Nahj is using?

[lyric onyx]

Does he not have !addons on his channel

Try using it in his chat usually bit streamers have it to show you what they’re using

[candid tide]

prot war is clapping me in solo smh

[spring bough]

Having fun with smoke bomb this afternoon too @stoic spruce

Just got a mage KOd in 15 seconds off the match start cause of it lol

[stoic spruce]

I only spit facts

[candid tide]

facts!

[tall coyote]

Guys, as an Assa what would you buy first with conquest?

I'm thinking legs, but I'm not quite sure :/

[candid tide]

rogs who use one shot macros are so nice to fight against

1 dismantle is all it needs

[lapis escarp]

seems like those macros doesnt work properly

[candid tide]

go on drustvar

see what the r1 assas are doing

[tall coyote]

Yeah, thats the thing, they all have different pieces xD

[candid tide]

shii..

[tall coyote]

I'll buy ring first, it is giving the most stats after that I'll figure it out

[candid tide]

its either shoulder leges

or legs chest

it seems

i wouldnt buy rings thats wrong iirc

craft two of these instead

[tall coyote]

Thx for the advise, I'll check on that then!

[tender ember]

this elo hell rbg is unplayable xd

[jolly sierra]

wtf how

[tender ember]

i played 24 games solo and NON of them was even close, either one or the other way xD

[narrow tangle]

i tried

[jolly sierra]

take a rest for now

u can try later

again

[narrow tangle]

that's what ill do

tragic start

thanks

[jolly sierra]

dw, its fine

nobody here will roost u for that

[tall coyote]

Guys, I came back to the game I'm a little lost about pvp tier sets. As far as I know you can improve any epic pieces on the catalyst to get a set piece, but checking the top ranks they already have 2 pieces. Could u tell me how??

[steep kiln]

ya im barely above 1400 and the other team was 1900. no points lost i guess though

when you hit 1600 you get a token that can be traded for a tier piece + buying 1 piece with conquest

[tall coyote]

Oooooh ok, that makes senses. I was going nuts over this hahahaha

Thx bud!

[steep kiln]

2's and shuffle seems to be the way to go to get there quick. blitz mmr discrepancy and the amount of time each game takes is a bit of a slog

[tall coyote]

Thx for the advise, I'll do that then 'cause I already have 1 piece and I'd like to get the bonus, tho I did something stupid to get out of my ignorance, but well nothing I can do about it now xD

[spring bough]

Awh yeah cloak cap beats the caster for 5 cap on AB

[warped gate]

I love this spec.

[keen dune]

didnt know wed get a quest with the crafted stuff and ive been buying it...

[candid tide]

would u guys play dismantle vs ww?

[inland thorn]

No lmao

Cloak talent is good

to remove karma/disarm

[candid tide]

hmn

what if the team has a mage

or spellcaster

u cloak the disarm and its bananas

[inland thorn]

What better option is there

[jolly sierra]

can u time well the disarm?

if u wanna go against mages try manuv

[candid tide]

idk i see karma and i disarm

or serenity i guess

is that not effective against them?

[candid tide]

manuv?

[jolly sierra]

no

disarm only works w fof

[candid tide]

ah ok

[jolly sierra]

manuviebrality or whatever is written in english

[candid tide]

lol

[jolly sierra]

decreases ur cd in sprint by 30s, but reduced the duration

[candid tide]

is that a pvp ability?

ahh yeyey

[jolly sierra]

ye

[candid tide]

fk they nerf it

[jolly sierra]

they did, ye

but even like shit can do something

however would say we need more than ever old manuv

[candid tide]

yeah maybe ill give it a try

[jolly sierra]

k

[kindred cobalt]

like it or not this is peak combat rogue

[warped gate]

Couldn't beat this Prot Warrior in a fair fight and was feeling salty until I remembered I'm a rogue.

Just hid in stealth and ganked everyone in that PvP area at low HP until I finished my daily.

[jolly sierra]

i used to do that w my lvl 60 twink assaulting ppl in hellfire

[warped gate]

I'm so salty I played since OG WoW and this is the first time I played rogue.

Like.. I could've had all this two decade ago.

[jolly sierra]

oof

[muted abyss]

are solo queues still dogshit 15+ minutes?

[kindred cobalt]

yup

[muted abyss]

thx, glad I cancelled my sub lol

[kindred cobalt]

que 15minutes get into mines then alliance spawn camp

and horde all wearing pve gear

[muted abyss]

honestly I don't even know why crafted gear is also part of pvp gearing

[little quest]

bg blitz is 3-4 min for me on my hunter

[kindred cobalt]

crafted gear was only 30-40k

[outer sky]

How is it possible that I'm conquest capped and behind on the weapons quest?

[kindred cobalt]

pretty cheap

[muted abyss]

I haven't been able to pop a single queue this whole week, I'm not gonna wait 20+ minutes lol

[little quest]

probably you got some conquest before you accepted the wep q

[outer sky]

ah it doesnt count towards it damn

[little quest]

Have you done some games already on bg blitz? it only is that long for the first few games because of mmr

[muted abyss]

It should, but modern blizz devs are utter dogshit and don't care about pvp

[muted abyss]

Nope, haven't even popped the first game, it's litearlly at least 30+ minutes, I tried a few times, but I'm not gonna just sit here waiting for a queue

[kindred cobalt]

if they did killing spree wouldnt make my camera send me to china

and coup wouldnt be 1.25 gcd or whatever bs it is

[little quest]

yeah unfortunately the 1st game takes very long because the system struggles to find other ppl

[muted abyss]

I'm sure after a few queue pops and 2+ hours later it will drop down to 15 minutes per pop, but that's just crazy

[little quest]

bg blitz never took me more than 6min

for now

except 1st game

[kindred cobalt]

what is bg blitz

i thought that was battle royale or osme shit

[little quest]

new solo ranked bg

8v8

[jolly sierra]

cuz it isnt intended to be done at week 1

its intended to be done at week 3

[outer sky]

my question was how I could have less conquest towards the quest than Ive earned this week

but someone explained it

[warped gate]

That Zandalara dude yelling AHHHHHH?! in that arena gets me so f'n hyped.

[jolly sierra]

because was accepted after?

[lone anvil]

I don't know if this is already addressed in the Pins somewhere. But as a returning player I'm not exactly sure what the best consumables I should be using for pvp.

I assume I'll want some sort of health potions.

It used to be everyone could do first aid. It seems you have to be a Taylor to use it now. should I pick up tayloring? Can rogues still blind + first aid in arenas and BGs?

[keen dune]

yo are we gonna end up crafting anything else besides helm and dagger?

i waisted conquest on the Heraldry's D:

[spring bough]

3 rogues for 3s 😂

[jolly sierra]

we dont use consumables

using bandage doesnt requires tailoring, just the craft

u can still blind and bandage but is not really a big or crucial deal

[vocal surge]

Fun fact

3s Rogues

fun

[outer sky]

People on the forums are still whinig about rogues

imagine having a problem with rogues when theres so much other actually broken shit in this game right now

[spring bough]

We are deleting some healing teams lol

They def so mad

Hpals die fast

[vocal surge]

Bandage for the win

[outer sky]

Look how unbelieveably shit the WW tier set us

tiger palm is the WW equivilent of mutilate btw

[jolly sierra]

bruh

df s1 ww tier when

[outer sky]

ikr

I cannot believe 2 set is nerfed in pvp

from 5% to 2.5%

[jolly sierra]

all of em are

[outer sky]

nah

sub rogue's isnt

[jolly sierra]

are u sure?

[outer sky]

yes

[jolly sierra]

wtf did they forgot that

[outer sky]

it must be intentional or itd have been hotfixed by now

[jolly sierra]

i think it will be fixed

no way can be intact w tiger palm nerfed

[spring bough]

So close to full sockets

Less than 10k honor to go

[candid tide]

Then u can farm for more later for new cq gear

[quaint cedar]

lmao you mad lads are actually queuing triple rogue. Love it

[vocal surge]

We may not be winning

[quaint cedar]

I think you underestimate how little blizzard pays attention to pvp lol

[vocal surge]

But we sure are getting a ton of honor

[quaint cedar]

Better not be winning or we're getting nerfed 🤣

[vocal surge]

XD

[slim iron]

Does anyone know if I need to provide new Heraldry for a PvP piece recraft?

[narrow tangle]

is there any way to interact flags or capture points without mouse button

because i accidentally right click to enemy player near the flag and auto attack

[jolly sierra]

u can bind interact key

i have it in f4

[spring bough]

Won’t need to crafted all my jewelry so just gotta upgrade. Conq helm + crafted belt and bracers too lol

[safe pelican]

How are we adding gems to stuff rn ?? Is there a tww version of the tiered medallion setting ?

Finally got the crafting part down now these gems

[spring bough]

yeah its at the honor vendors. just need a bunch of honor to get them

[stoic spruce]

My tummy hurt

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[safe pelican]

Ahhh i see now 2500 for the bloodstone

They are also on the AH for 10k a piece

Wait a minute …..

[vocal surge]

You missed out

you missed out

they were 15k on Day 1

[spring bough]

almost got 3s rogues to 1600 LOL

[marble ember]

when we get the token for 1600, do we turn a piece of glad gear into our 2nd tier piece or is do we trade it at a vendor?

[plucky escarp]

You trade for a tier piece at a vendor in City of Threads

There are two vendors. One has PvP gear and the other has PvE gear

[dull bridge]

just saw a devoker hit a 2.5m instant on a target with 30% wall

flameshaper is flying under the radar since everyone is playing scalecommander

[jolly sierra]

everything is going forward

lets go for that 1k6 for now

[tawdry imp]

I think if someone kidnapped me and said if I don't beat a frost mage in a 1v1 my family are executed, I'm pretty sure they'd get executed, christ

[lone anvil]

So I crafted the angari wrists and boots. Got conquest shoulders and used the catalyst to make them my tier. And bought purple gloves with my blood marks from world pvp.

The rest of my pvp gear ATM is forged green honor gear.

What do I do with my honor points moving forward? What am I supposed to buy with my honor at this stage? The mystery box that costs 3500?

[tawdry imp]

can't you buy sockets or something with honor nowadays?

[steep kiln]

these guys

[tawdry imp]

that's the one

[lone anvil]

Hell yeah

You guys are so awesome

Id be lost without this discord

[potent pivot]

there's a gearing guide linked in the pins

[potent pivot]

you do not

unless you're upgrading it to a different heraldry level

[orchid temple]

is there ever a time i would take both Sepsis & Flagellation?

[potent pivot]

nah

we don't really run flag at all because of how easy it is to counter

[orchid temple]

cool, do you know if there are any other things like that where i can probs just combine them in my binds?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so nah

[orchid temple]

also which abilities are usually recommended to keep separate with mouse/keyboard? is Shadow Dance/Symbols being on diff ones important since they are off GCD?

i currently have shadowstep on mouse1 and dance on mouse2

[potent pivot]

that's just personal preference

i have dance/symbols/blades/badge/tea all on keyboard binds

[orchid temple]

which binds out of interest?

that sounds like a lot to press all at once

it looks like for rogue having cold blood/blades/symbols/dance/badge all near together on mouse would be ideal

[potent pivot]

we rarely ever use cold blood

dance-q
symbols-e
blades-r
badge-alt-q
tea-t

you don't press them all at once

you press certain onces while waiting on your GCD to roll over

[sharp sierra]

!build

[potent pivot]

check the pins

[sharp sierra]

few months old

eh not really

[potent pivot]

3 weeks

[rare coyote]

There is just one tier set bonus right? And that works in both pve and pvp? If that is the case can you get it on pvp gear other than using the catalyst?

[dull bridge]

only catalyst yeah (and token)

[potent pivot]

You only get it on pvp scaling gear from catalyzing conquest pieces and from the 1.6k rating token

[dull bridge]

forgot about the token. but yeah no vault this expansion (thank god)

[rare coyote]

Thanks for clarifying, gives me more insight on how to potentially use the catalyst the first few weeks.

[runic trench]

Are people crafting a weapon with their free marks of heraldry or just waiting for the free ones in week 3?

Also is there a buying order guide for sub?

[potent pivot]

both, and there's a guide linked in the pins

[runic trench]

I see. So likely boots + x. I’ll probably just put my embelish on those then

[potent pivot]

You can also use blue heraldries on other pieces and embellish those, like bracers for example

[hexed blaze]

does recrafting embelished gear require more heraldries

[potent pivot]

Only if upgrading it

Like from blue to purple heraldries would cost purple heraldries

[hexed blaze]

okay so if i craft a 639 piece with some embelishment, then wanna swap that embelishment it doesnt take more heraldries

[potent pivot]

Nope

[hexed blaze]

cool that takes pressure off

[potent pivot]

Just costs gold

[hexed blaze]

yee

[potent pivot]

Also

You gotta find someone specifically to recraft

You can’t public order a recraft

[hexed blaze]

ahh okay

preciate it

[fathom yarrow]

n my opener do i hit sepsis in shawdance
in pvp

[potent pivot]

usually in a blades opener yeah

other than that you kinda press whenev

[fathom yarrow]

do i hit it with blades or after blades in dance

[potent pivot]

in dance

dance->rupture->seps->sectech

[fathom yarrow]

why rupture in dance?

[potent pivot]

because it does dmg

[fathom yarrow]

i usualy put up rupture then hit all my cooldowns is that bad?

[potent pivot]

that's not bad

you just want it up as much as you can

i like to send it with the cp from First Dance

if it's not already on the target

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WAVWeKeyYMk

[fathom yarrow]

ye ai think i kinda spam cheap shot to much before i do my opener

i literally just started today

maybe i just go straight into dance do the rupture like you said and spam cheap shot while doing it

[potent pivot]

there's a lot of different ways to do things

and rotations are very situational

don't lock yourself into doing the same thing always

[fathom yarrow]

i feel like we have no ttime to even think when playing without healer

lol

[potent pivot]

don't play without one :d

only double dps comp that's really good is rogue/mage

[fathom yarrow]

yea

[potent pivot]

but that's still harder for a beginner imo

[fathom yarrow]

is sub good with a healer?

in 2's

[potent pivot]

almost everything is good with a healer

[fathom yarrow]

alright yea it would be a good way tto practice is firs tplay with healer

[dull bridge]

the biggest understanding step when I started playing rogue was that you shouldn't cheap shot somebody just because you can. sometimes you panic/get overzealous and just cheap shot the whole team and then you don't have DRs to play around for the next 20 seconds. think of your stun DR as a resource.

[fathom yarrow]

do i need to worry about putting up slice and dic ein the opener ?

[potent pivot]

not in the very first opener but yeah it's important to have it up

[fathom yarrow]

alright

[vocal surge]

Ran through the lobby on the last round

Warlock died through all of the priest's DR + his own defensives

and thats my damage cleaving off of the warlock through all the DRs

DK tried to peel, lock used all their CCs

no 5 buff roll

[potent pivot]

you seen any of the big name outlaws popping off

trying to get in those games prenerf i guess

[vocal surge]

I haven't seen any Outlaws yet

and ye

[potent pivot]

Dazed is popping off

he's running fatebound and tea

[vocal surge]

getting better on my opener

[potent pivot]

after we get 4p i think outlaw is still gonna be decent

but after seeing the nerfs i'm sure it's going to drop off in popularity

[wet crown]

jesus.

Is there anyone streaming outlaw that's really going ham? I want to try it, but need to actually see it being done well first. Every outlaw I see in the wild I know is playing it wrong lol

[topaz bobcat]

wish i kept the addon helped me spot higher ilvl items in bags

or is there a better one?

[potent pivot]

look up valthepirate on twitch right now

homie is playing it

[wet crown]

hell yeah, thanks

[potent pivot]

i just use baganator i think

can make it show ilvl on items

i think Pawn is okay to use if you're keeping everything updated but i'm not sure

when i raided i just simmed myself for everything

[steep kiln]

Singular focus breaking game winning blind in 2's is pretty tilting

[potent pivot]

yeah i had it break my stealth from a vanish reset that cost me 1 game so far

you just have to be careful not to blind your Marked target

[steep kiln]

really gotta pay attention to marked target

[potent pivot]

that's all

yeah

do you use betterblizzplates?

[steep kiln]

nah i gotta hop on that

[potent pivot]

lemme show ya something

[potent pivot]

you can pick and choose any and all debuffs/buffs to emphasive

the dots also glow red for pandemic

[runic trench]

Damn that’s sick

[potent pivot]

idk if i can go back to playing without it ngl

the big ass kidney on the right side

is from bigdebuffs

that also shows enemy CDs and defensives

has it's own priority list that you can customize as well

[steep kiln]

can you share your profile for it

[potent pivot]

i haven't customized bigdebuffs yet at all

all i did was turn on the nameplate part

this

for betterblizzplates i'm using Magnusz' profile that comes with the add on

with a couple tweaks

but i'm not done tweaking, there's a lot more i want to do to it

you can filter every buff in the game

with betterblizzframes as well

[vocal surge]

Pain

[steep kiln]

gonna give it a go

[vocal surge]

My BTE bugged out so many times

[potent pivot]

you can filter every buff and hide them

[vocal surge]

on the last round

Only got to cast it 7 times

[potent pivot]

were you casting it from stealth?

[vocal surge]

Yeah

But it bugs out

[steep kiln]

i just had WA's / omnicc for tracking dots but that they glow green n shit looks nice

[potent pivot]

oof

[vocal surge]

ie no cast

[potent pivot]

yeah can't do that yet

[vocal surge]

every vanish use

[potent pivot]

not until November

i still have it engraved in my mind to ambush from stealth

[vocal surge]

and I sure love the -4% all damage done

lol

[potent pivot]

from pve for cto procs

ambush/dispatch

[potent pivot]

yeah i just don't like WAs

like i use them for enemy CDs n shit

but i don't like the big WA HUDs

[steep kiln]

i got a new PC recently so it took me like.. a full day to get the WAs how i liked since i didn't save my old profile 😐

[potent pivot]

oof

[steep kiln]

there's so many options in this betterblizz plates though holy

[potent pivot]

you can just click Magnusz profile at the bottom

or Nahj profile

[steep kiln]

trying out magnusz

[potent pivot]

the only thing i've had issues with

is DK pets plates aren't hidden

[steep kiln]

o boi

[potent pivot]

and the stacking of the betterblizzplates is weird

makes it hard for me to find the DK's fucking plate

but i'm trying to figure out what to change for that

[steep kiln]

trying to find the combo point part

[potent pivot]

turn it on in blizz settings

my personal resource display isn't showing for some reason

but the cp show on target like i want so fuck it

[hollow carbon]

I still don’t get how ppl play without CPs on targets

[steep kiln]

ah ya ment these ones on the target, not sure i dig it

[potent pivot]

well i don't play with big WAs

so it's either that, personal resource display, or i have to look at my own frame which i do not like doing

[steep kiln]

makes sense

[potent pivot]

i try to focus my attention on nameplates > gladius > omnibar > target frame > focus frame

not in any particular order

[steep kiln]

i tried to chop down most of the stuff in the WA. i still plan on doing some pve stuff

[lime oar]

I need trinket back on nameplate. Nameplatecctrinket hasn’t been updated

[potent pivot]

you have gladius no?

nameplate is such valuable space to be showing trinket

[lime oar]

Is there an option on there

[potent pivot]

naw gladius just shows trinkets

[hollow carbon]

Worst thing with WA I spotted when I tried to set up was that charges based abilities like vanish or tea looks like they are on CD when you use one charge

That confused me too much

[potent pivot]

well they show that it's on CD but also show the charge count

they're very customizable as well

[hollow carbon]

Yeah they still show the charge, but default blizz UI just shows the “edge” rotating thing on the icon without graying them out

[lime oar]

Yeah I have Gladius but I got used to nameplatecctrinket showing everyone’s trinket and I had way more awareness

[potent pivot]

you can make WAs not grey out if it's charges

you can make em look exactly like blizzard icons do

can customize basically every aspect though, unlike blizzard's bars

[potent pivot]

i feel like you need to be looking at gladius anyway. it shows CC DRs, this is insanely important

[hollow carbon]

I bet you can but I didn’t find it out quick enough to care about WA UIs anymore 😅 ability bar works out for me since I’m used to it for years now. Idk why I always try to change UI stuff 😂

[wet crown]

Yo I had no idea outlaw was actually pumping. Every single one I've seen got rolled over in zero time.

Definitely trying it now.

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean i don't like them either, i'm just throwing it out there

i make my own WAs for procs and shit

like Darkest Night

[hollow carbon]

Yeah I created some helpful stuff I felt I could need like subterfuge window

[potent pivot]

outlaw is difficult for a lot of people, but yes it's really good rn

[potent pivot]

a lot of rogues use dance uptime and subt uptime icons

either from WAs or from TellMeWhens

[steep kiln]

after tinkering with it a bit things are looking up. emphasizing mark and some other stuff is real nice

[potent pivot]

it also emphasizes totems really well

i swear once i figure out how to hide all the DK pets it'll be perf

[steep kiln]

it's not just adding the names of the dk pets to "hide npc"?

[potent pivot]

probably

i haven't looked

need to hide all the DK's horsemen

[steep kiln]

guess you wouldn't wanna hide "all" but seems like it'd be on this tab

[potent pivot]

yeah

you'd enter the names in the bar at the bottom

you definitely don't want to hide all because of shit like Psyfiend i think

[potent pivot]

there's some stuff you need to change to show only from yourself as well

like in case you q into another rogue in shuffle or on your blitz team etc

[steep kiln]

saw it hides wound poison stacks by default

or on both profiles

[potent pivot]

i blacklisted wound stacks

[potent pivot]

yours is showing it here

if i really need to see wound stacks i can see them on the target frame

[indigo hill]

@potent pivot https://youtu.be/w0pDp2ixyQM?si=qbsfzrIuJ_YgQzXW

Maybe this works for those dk pets?

[potent pivot]

well we're using betterblizzplates

so not sure if that'd work

bicmex uses KUI nameplates iirc

[indigo hill]

Fair enough. Then I have no clue. 😄

[potent pivot]

you can also customize this. heavily.

like if you want to never see a buff/debuff again

you ctrl+shift+right click it or something

and it black lists

[steep kiln]

sweet

[potent pivot]

i don't remember the exact combination of buttons to do it

[steep kiln]

I just redid my entire Ui for the most part so nows the time to change shit while im still getting use to it

[indigo hill]

I'm using the other profile. Bit to many buffs/debuffs visible for my taste.

[potent pivot]

Magnusz was going through every buff in the game on stream the other day

but i don't know if that got ported to his profile on the add on or not

i don't think it has been yet

[graceful flax]

What should my first conquest purchase be?

[potent pivot]

there's a gear FAQ linked in the pins

[steep kiln]

all cuz author of the my fav addon i used forever stopped updating in dragonflight had to redo everything with WAs

[hollow carbon]

I fell in love with betterblizz addons from the start, the PvP perspective from the dev is noticeable and it doesn’t eat so much memory. Always had problems with plate addons before in that regard.

[potent pivot]

which addon?

[steep kiln]

Boomkinator

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure the betterblizz stuff is authored by one of Nahj's twitch mods, so it makes sense that it has a pvp perspective :d

[potent pivot]

no idea wtf that is lol

i really like Bicmex's KUI nameplate set up, it's very clean

i've never tried KUI in pvp

[steep kiln]

was like WAs pmuch but minimal

[potent pivot]

ah

[mortal moon]

for arena how much ping is too much for a rogue to reach rank 1?
i see with the CS spam it gets down to the miliseconds so im unsure
to not leave a gap^ and what not

[potent pivot]

i don't think ping has much to do with getting r1

there's people from NA that get r1 on EU ladder and vice versa

[mortal moon]

it very much does, every thing is down to the miliseconds at that level, but rogue is a special case where it matters more

[potent pivot]

with like 200ping in some cases

[mortal moon]

so im wondering how much is too much for rogue

[potent pivot]

i promise you, it doesn't

[mortal moon]

no way a 200 ping rogue gets rank1 without getting carried

[potent pivot]

even AWC is played with high ping most of the time

[potent pivot]

bruh

happens every season

[mortal moon]

they wouldnt be able to do their Cheapshot spam without gap

it would be all fucked

[potent pivot]

nah

cheapshot spam windows are literally timed by globals

[mortal moon]

where, id love to be proved wrong on this topic

so ur saying id be fine to play rogue on 120 ping to top of ladder

[potent pivot]

yes

[mortal moon]

how..

[steep kiln]

gotta be some OCE rogues out there that arena

[mortal moon]

i wouldnt be able to react to stuff quick enough

[potent pivot]

Trimaz on NA ladder DF s4 r1

[steep kiln]

and i'm pretty sure SA players playing in NA have more than 120 ping

[potent pivot]

he's an EU rogue

the only thing that really gets fucked up by ping

is hitting/missing kicks

[mortal moon]

thats so vital lol

[potent pivot]

it's not a huge difference

but the difference is there

but legit

every season

someone from the opposite region will get r1

playing with high ping isn't awesome, but it's 100% possible to hit r1 with it

[midnight flume]

there probably is a ping number that would make it impossible to hit r1 though. i wanna see you do it with 100000 ping

[potent pivot]

i mean

we can be realistic with the discussion no?

[midnight flume]

wait im in the pvp channel oops sorry

[potent pivot]

lmao

[midnight flume]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[mortal moon]

so im overthinking it?

[potent pivot]

imo yeah

your cheap windows

aren't really affected as much

[mortal moon]

idk what servers the arena is on in NA it used to be sometimes NA east sometimes na west idk what it is now

[potent pivot]

because everything that matters is on global

your ping shouldn't necessarily be stopping your cs from going off if you're slamming your GCDs in the proper order

[mortal moon]

kicking is fucked i tried it on 120 and it says their casting but when i kick it doesnt work on their screen they stopped casting but on mine it still is so its invalidated

[potent pivot]

your arena instance isn't locked to any server

instances are going to be on one player's home server

so like if you have lead, the instance will either be on your server or the enemy team lead's server

i'm pretty positive

the AWC arenas are different though afaik

those are all on the tournament realm

[potent pivot]

yeah that'll happen sometimes

it's a bit easier for them to fake your kick if they have much lower ping

but it isn't to such a detrimental degree that it'd stop you from getting r1

if you and your team have the skills, you'll get it

[topaz bobcat]

hard stuck at 1100 what to do

[potent pivot]

just gotta keep grinding

only way to get better is to practice

[spring kiln]

for deathstalker Sub rogue are we supposed to actually be using Shuriken Storm or no?

[rocky vale]

Hi guys, I came back to retail after not having pvpd since WoD except, for classic

Which spec is better for purely shuffle and nothing else?

[orchid plinth]

Fury, Frost

[rocky vale]

Hehe

You forgot unholy

[potent pivot]

no, you can ignore the shuriken storm buff from the hero tree

you still storm outside of dance to build combo points sometimes

when you can hit 2+ targets and not break any CC

[potent pivot]

all 3 are fine for shuffle

[spring kiln]

THANKS!

[fading sun]

does it matter which conquest items I buy first?

[rocky vale]

And which is more forgiving to someone rusty? Im guessing assa?

[potent pivot]

check the gearing faq linked in the pins

[potent pivot]

probably assa or outlaw yeah

outlaw is very fast paced, but not that confusing, not as technical as sub

[fading sun]

thanks, makes sense. is there only 1 tier or do pvp and pve have different sets?

[potent pivot]

there's only 1 tier set, but when you Catalyst conquest gear, it has pvp ilvl scaling

[rocky vale]

And is assa a cleave specnow? Saw it had a lot of talents that cleaved

[fading sun]

is that a tradeoff for better pve stats if you catalysed a pve item?

[potent pivot]

Naw, all tier has same stats

[fading sun]

oh, wild. so there's no downside to just grinding out some conquest points, catalysing, and grabbing a fairly free tier piece?

[potent pivot]

You mean for PvE or PvP specifically?

Conquest gear has a somewhat low PvE ilvl

We catalyze conquest gear for PvP because in PvP combat it scales to 639 ilvl

[potent pivot]

Yeah almost every spec in the game tries to cleave in pvp now

[fading sun]

ah ok, I'm getting it now. thank you, very new to retail gearing

[potent pivot]

No worries, I’d recommend looking up some pve/pvp gearing guides on YT. Some of them do a great job of explaining everything.

For the specific items you want to get week 1 of the season for pvp, we’ve got the FAQ

[topaz bobcat]

disc just eats my rot dmg

i need to stop mouse clicking duel and bomb

[potent pivot]

That would be a good idea yeah

In general you want to be using keybinds for every ability, especially in pvp

Reaction time and situational awareness are huge

[orchid plinth]

Only thing you should click is the in game menus like the logout button after a 0-6 shuffle

[outer sky]

petition to take bomb off the gcd

idk why duel isnt but bomb is

[tender ember]

this would be bad

in terms of overall gameplay, cos it would lower skill from ppl to pre stuff on ks'd target with predicted bomb

[outer sky]

I click shroud in PvE

[outer sky]

Not sure I follow

[tender ember]

if no gcd u could macro'd ks with bomb- not allowing healer to grip/bark/ps/ any other defensive cd if they predict bomb landing

[potent pivot]

Btw, I think the reason ascension doesn’t always reset is if you Vanish with 8+ seconds on the buff

[outer sky]

yeah thats the point

[potent pivot]

If you Vanish with under 8 seconds on the buff I think that ends up being a reset on the stacks

[outer sky]

thats what you do with duel

you duel as soon as you kidney so you cant get trolled

[tender ember]

ye thats why ppl saying duel is toxic to gameplay

[outer sky]

plus spending a global during your stun just to bomb is trash

[tender ember]

and was nerfed multiple times

[outer sky]

5s of kidney

1 for kidney GCD

1 for bomb

3s to actually kill them

[tender ember]

every mechanic u can counter is healthy for game

[outer sky]

it would still be counterable

just would make bomb a more reliable win condition instead of what feels like a cheese kill every time

[tender ember]

idk i never seen i lost stacks

and going under 8 secs on buff means u already lost combat for a longer period earlier

[potent pivot]

It definitely happened to me idk

It also just takes fuckin

80 seconds to fully stack

[tender ember]

yea, but most games higher arent ending before

[potent pivot]

Nah not before but

~5 min games are pretty common so far

Haven’t had many games go super damp on my end anyway

[tender ember]

u already said duel is not counterable, want same mechanic to bomb, therefore u say now it would be still counterable ; p

[runic trench]

Is there a place I can get like imports for omnibar/nameplate/gladius for pvp

I’ve never really pvped before

And my setup looks… bad

[potent pivot]

I can send you some

[runic trench]

Thanks!

Do you use gladius or sarena

[potent pivot]

Gimme a few minutes and I’ll DM

Gladius

[outer sky]

when did I say duel isnt counterable?

link that message

[orchid plinth]

More things should be on GCD we need to stop the powercreep! Bomb is a team ability!

[tender ember]

not allowing to do any action= not counterable right? and u agreed to that msg

then u said u duel as soon as u ks so u cant get trolled- trolled kinda means - get pre stuff right?

[potent pivot]

Changing Vendetta into Deathmark has been the worst thing they’ve ever done to assa

[outer sky]

That's a Mr. Fantastic kind of stretch right there

I think you should be able to counter it by actually playing the mechanic and either AoE healing/CCing or going into the bomb. Not just "oops I gripped a kidney and he happened to bomb it"

just getting lucky

[tender ember]

i think its better- it helps proccing execute, and mostly vendetta was dmg los in pvp

[outer sky]

the only thing I like about deathmark is the energy regen

[potent pivot]

I just dislike having one of the only dispellable 2mins in the game + it being a GCD

It’s not a very scary CD at all

Not that Vendetta was much scarier, but yeh

[outer sky]

is there even another one?

[marsh laurel]

If you dont bother please Send me too 🙂

[candid tide]

death fart

[potent pivot]

There’s some that are, maybe not 2 min exactly

Dispel/purge/spell steal w/e

[tender ember]

it was same with vendetta actually, getting bop'ed tho vendetta was dog anyway, when ppl realised didnt even bother to use anything back in the days ;p

[outer sky]

I mean, devil's advocate here, but at least deathmark does everything it's going to do the moment you press it. So against a team without a caut, you could argue it's a high value CD since it doesnt matter if you get CCd on it

[candid tide]

dance get ccd the hell out

the first dance always often

need to pop that duel fast

[outer sky]

at least vendetta couldnt be removed with anything short of a 5m CD

[potent pivot]

Idk I just prefer Vendetta

[outer sky]

deathmark is gone with a 1m CD and a 25s CD

[potent pivot]

It’s funny because

Even when we had Vendetta I didn’t like it lmao

Just prefer it over DM

I also liked Exsang a lot

Which is another thing most people hated afaik

[outer sky]

rip MfD

[topaz bobcat]

2.5+ mil evi will ful vers/mastery gear and set bonus i think

[tender ember]

was it played as meta? as i remember it didnt, it was pure dps los

[topaz bobcat]

less, forgot we don't do the vers/mastery weapon enchant. not bad on ~8 mil hp pools on fully geared

[rocky vale]

Whats the better pvp race, UD or BELF? Got both at the same lvl

[topaz bobcat]

Both are equally bad

[rocky vale]

Xd

[pine sandal]

hi im new to pvp/arenas, i wanna ask who should i focus first? im kinda still confused on this

[rocky vale]

So horde just sucks then

[topaz bobcat]

Depends on the meta I think if many locks and priests undead.

If pallies blood elf

[rocky vale]

Also have goblin I guess

Wait we get a free 70 boost with tww right?

[orchid plinth]

Orc for horde

[topaz bobcat]

Get urself a tauren

Cheap shot into tauren stun into kidney

[outer sky]

if you only ever play sub, then orc is fine maybe even BiS. If you play any assa or outlaw though, Nelf is basically required

[orchid plinth]

But also the race is not gonna make or break it if you're not playing on an veeeery high skill level

[rocky vale]

Yeah but I might as well playit

[pine sandal]

doesnt race make a minimal difference?

[outer sky]

it will for assa and outlaw. a 3rd vanish is not even remotely insignificant.

esp now with 6s subt

[rocky vale]

How does warbands work? What do I lose if my main is horde but my rogue is ally? Can I send gold and stuff?

[orchid plinth]

Yes but they asked about horde

[outer sky]

oh yeah if its horde just pick whatever you like the look of

[orchid plinth]

But yes you should probably go Horde -> Orc, Ally -> Nelf and be done with it

Sooome people play Human for Sub as well? Or is that just because they ahven't swapped yet?

[topaz bobcat]

Dark iron dwarf is actually a great option

Imho

[outer sky]

human is fine for the stats

for sub only gameplay you can make an argument for a lot of races

[topaz bobcat]

I think end of the xpac no?

[rocky vale]

Meh, I might as well just boost a nelf rogue then.

Can warband anything from my druid anyway

[outer sky]

yeah because its more stats

[orchid plinth]

Kinda like the opposite of Orc being better now, with the flat boost from Blood Fury?

Big Swofty Macro

[topaz bobcat]

Yes

[outer sky]

blood fury is a 3.64% damage increase

[topaz bobcat]

It's big burst

Dark iron massive burst

[orchid plinth]

Oh right, Dark Iron is also flat?

[topaz bobcat]

Imagine getting camped by another assa plus lock and u pop that racial

Flat base and more per debuff

In DF I made all my pvp chads s1 dark iron

[orchid plinth]

Should just be Vulpera to make haters hate

[topaz bobcat]

And I picked classes that were going to be kill target so I could turn their go into mine and wipe them out in a sec

[potent pivot]

Orc is like thousands of agi rn

Like 5k or so is what kalv said

[topaz bobcat]

I was sad at first I went horse now couldn't pick NE

But I like orc racial a lot rn more than NE

[potent pivot]

At the end of SL it was. It was discovered that it was never actually a dps loss all along.

[orchid plinth]

Yeah like Starlink said I assume now that Assa or Outlaw doesn't have Dance Meld is much more important than before?

[potent pivot]

Orc stun reduction also fucks

[orchid plinth]

[potent pivot]

Dance doesn’t matter in that equation

[orchid plinth]

Oh is it just straight up getting a proper restealth?

[potent pivot]

It’s just the fact you gain dps from meld->stealth

[topaz bobcat]

Streamers log in on their orc rogue for duels with other rogues

[orchid plinth]

you can also start FRAPS and say MELD COIL

[topaz bobcat]

Loool imagine having a duel rogue

[potent pivot]

Orc is good when sub is meta

Because it fucks their restun rotation

[potent pivot]

Wdym by focus first? And racials are pretty impactful in pvp.

[potent pivot]

You can. Faction doesn’t matter for warband

[tender ember]

ok its not dps los till dots expires xD

[potent pivot]

Making them tick faster was really strong tbh

[pine sandal]

idk, for example im playing 2v2s and idk if to focus the healer or dps first

[tender ember]

might be but overall it was dps los if u didnt kill before dots expired cos u had to reaply sooner

[potent pivot]

Usually CC healer while focusing the dps, depending on what classes/specs they’re playing. But swapping targets will always be good when one presses defensives etc, very situational tbh. You’ll learn these things over time and from watching others play your class as well

[potent pivot]

Naw

Even in pve it was found that it was a gain

Because the sims around exsang were always jank

Exsang had to be nerfed like 3x before they finally changed it to what it is now

Iirc at the end of SL and even the beginning of DF Exsang was really strong

[pine sandal]

i decided to focus more on pvp in TWW but damn, its sometimes overwhelming haha

[potent pivot]

Yeah pvp takes a lot of learning and practice

It’s not like pve where every fight is extremely scripted

You kinda have to learn what every class in the game can do

[tender ember]

btw. any1 tested how high % versa is with fully crafted gear?