pvp

[potent pivot]

Do what

[last jasper]

Special assignment world quest

[outer sky]

This disc priest did more damage than his assa rogue

[potent pivot]

I need more information

Name of the WQ or what it entails

Idk what you mean

I just pick up weekly quests and go do shit

[last jasper]

The one that gives you key. With a purple chest.

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve done a couple

[last jasper]

With an alt from panda? No weird interaction?

[potent pivot]

yeah and not that i've noticed?

what's happening are they bugged or something

[last jasper]

It’s bugged for my panda alt. And I can’t figure it out why.

[potent pivot]

were you still leveling while you did the WQs to unlock it?

[last jasper]

Every time I enter specifically quest with a purple chest it phase me out into empty world with no mobs etc.

[potent pivot]

that will bug it i think

that's weird

[last jasper]

Yea. It looks like a private server lmao. Just a map with nothing I can interact with.

[wintry dew]

Aight I'll be in this channel the whole day. I need to absorb your knowledge

[last jasper]

I made a ticket with a screenshots. They said support can’t share hints lmao 😂

[outer sky]

@potent pivot have you tried badge+Kb with CB and Lethality? When I do i usually get 900k-1m KBs but I regularly see 1-1.3m

[potent pivot]

i'm still trying to figure out why the last wpvp WQ doesn't spawn in NA

@wintry dew

have you seen it

in eu

maybe i asked you already

[potent pivot]

yeah i have

[terse bolt]

is rogue mage in 2s still viable as before?

speaking for 2s without heals

[late pumice]

hello, where do I claim my mark of spelunker?

ohh nvm it's in my mail

[potent pivot]

idek what that is

[clever blaze]

does DS keep you in combat? i literally can't re while totally alone on the otherside of the arena

[late pumice]

the 1600 piece token

[potent pivot]

if you have dots ticking into Singular Focus yes

[clever blaze]

cool ty

so play FB?

[potent pivot]

what an odd name for it lol

[potent pivot]

nah we've been playing DS

[frosty scarab]

returning wow player here. do the quality of mats on crafting a wep matter? like the charged alloy and others?

[potent pivot]

nope

only thing that matters is enchant quality because that's applied after the craft

[potent pivot]

if playing with frost, yes. if not, not really

[outer sky]

RM 2s are only fun IMO when sub/fire is the meta

[wintry dew]

I usually am Wmode off

[clever blaze]

are you playing with IC or KB?

[potent pivot]

if i play KB i play with both

but usually drop KB for SBS

[somber plank]

How bad would a DH Rogue 2s team be lol

[outer sky]

abysmal

[indigo hill]

Disc and pres evo are crazy right now though.

[terse bolt]

okay how do i get the free tier set now at 1.6k?

[potent pivot]

check your mail

[terse bolt]

cool now i need to figure out where to delive this shit

[indigo hill]

Center of dornogal.

Where the crafting building is.

[cyan mural]

Did you guys use good material to craft gear or the cheapest possible materials?

[fallen scaffold]

cheapest

doesnt matter

whats the command for sappable options?

not in my addon list in options and /sappable dont work

[potent pivot]

no idea if it even has any, but i use betterblizzplates which does the same thing

though i'm not sure if i'm gonna keep using it, has been a little annoying at times

[fallen scaffold]

dude

im sayion

my buffs are question marks all the time

i turned masque off on em tho and it seems to help a bit

still happens tho

[potent pivot]

i haven't seen that

i just don't like how the plates position compared to base blizzard plates

there's probably a setting for it idk

[candid tide]

yo blitz is hot rn

finna bring back pvp montages bak with it

[outer sky]

Bina blaming her long nails for getting globaled by me lmfao

I really think I'm gunna do it this season. I just cracked 1800 in 3s and almost every team we beat rode in on glad mounts, and usually last season's not SL ones

I'm gunna get it bois

I have the power

[formal crystal]

just checked top 3ish? 2v2 pvpers and they all go fatebound on outlaw rouge

just when trickster started feeling really good

[outer sky]

Yeah fatebound is the go to for outlaw

Trickster may feel better in mid season when they fix coup de grace

[formal crystal]

yeah is it bugged or what?

i use it at max stacks but it feels like it does absolutely nothing?

its completely useless to upgrade our weapons aswell or what? doesnt change ilvl in pvp at all

[last jasper]

there are 2 new wpvp wq on eu today. idk if this helps

[potent pivot]

been looking for "Fending Off Darkness" in the middle of Hallowfall

[last jasper]

nope, nothing. Both were in isle of dorn

[candid tide]

theres 3 diff levels for heraldry upgrades

the purple one takes ur pvp gear to ilvl639

[potent pivot]

yeah idk it's like that one just never pops

never seen it

need it for the wpvp title achievement

[formal crystal]

yeah i am goinna check more on crafting now! was just about to ask

i meant upgrading with valorstones are completely useless xd

[candid tide]

you can still upgrade it for doing questing in world

[formal crystal]

meh have another rouge for pve :p

[potent pivot]

you can upgrade them just so you don't overcap on valorstones. OR look for items to upgrade for transmog

just don't sit on valorstone cap

if you care about transmog at all

[formal crystal]

i have 9 of the purple pvp gear but i have no clue what and or how to craft :p

[formal crystal]

i care more about transmog than pve gear on a pvp char hehe

[potent pivot]

like at the very end of DF

the "valorstone" currency was so slow to get

when i was trying to get some of the raid transmogs

idk why they cap it at 2k

[formal crystal]

so people dont play too much get maxed out and stop playing :3

[potent pivot]

but i'm gonna use mine just to get raid transmogs once i'm done with my tier set

[potent pivot]

yeah but the cap never increases either, unlike conquest and bloody tokens

[formal crystal]

fair enough

[potent pivot]

we can catalyst low level gear later

to get the raid transmogs

then upgrade them for other colors

dunno what i'm gonna do with them until then though

[formal crystal]

trickz ik u get asked alot of things but could you please dumb down crafting for me?
i understood we are not supposed to craft gear that will become set items

but so lets say i wanna get my weapons to 639

does it matter which onehanded sword i take?

[potent pivot]

it has to be Algari

the green one

you add the blue or purple heraldries to it as a reagent when you get it crafted

which turn it into 626/639 blue/purple gear

[formal crystal]

then i have to buy charged alloy, core alloy embelishment and stat from AH right?

[potent pivot]

yeah but embellishment doesn't go on wep

not the one we're using atm

[formal crystal]

these things?

[potent pivot]

that's the embellishment yeah. but atm we're using Duskthread Lining which has to go on Leather pieces

[formal crystal]

why do we skip embellishment on weapon?

does it take up another slot?

[potent pivot]

you can only have 2 embellishments

[formal crystal]

oh okay

[potent pivot]

like i crafted blue 626 bracers

to put duskthread on

because i can recraft them to 639 later

and keep the embellishment

[formal crystal]

ahh okay

[potent pivot]

i also did 639 boots and embellished them

if you're playing outlaw you need crit/vers missive

[formal crystal]

and i got one set item rn, to get another harmonized silk ill have to get 1600 rating right?

[potent pivot]

this is my bracer with socket/embell

[formal crystal]

thats nice

[potent pivot]

harmonized silk?

[formal crystal]

the thing that upgrades to set item

[potent pivot]

oh the catalyst charge

[formal crystal]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

i didn't even realize that shit had a name

[formal crystal]

XD i didnt even know it existed until now

[potent pivot]

but naw

when you hit 1600 you get a token

and you turn that token into npc in spider zone

and buy a tier piece for it

[formal crystal]

okay okay

there is no other way to get the catalyst charge?

[potent pivot]

nope. catalyst charges are every 2 weeks.

[formal crystal]

yess okay

so people that have 2 set rn just got 1600 rating

[potent pivot]

yes

[formal crystal]

okee doesnt sounds impossible :p

and honestly does it rly matter which conquest gear we get first

as long as its a set item ^

[potent pivot]

set items are the main pieces you want to buy with conquest yes

but for outlaw i'm not sure we run tier set

so try to get conquest items with crit or haste in case you don't change them into tier later

[formal crystal]

yesss

also i havent tried yet but we can use flasks in arena r ight

[potent pivot]

No

[formal crystal]

sad

[cyan mural]

heal pots in arena would be op

[potent pivot]

Only honor flasks

Which gives you 15% extra honor gains

[formal crystal]

meh

anyways is it dumb to create weapons

with heraldry :p

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t say dumb, but sort of a waste

[formal crystal]

why? whats betteer to craft

[potent pivot]

If you picked up the weapon quest as Outlaw you get a free axe and dagger in a couple weeks

[formal crystal]

something that uses embellishments?

[formal crystal]

i did

but its just 1 of them, no?

[potent pivot]

It’s both

I should’ve picked up the quest as outlaw just for the free axe

You should craft boots and embellishment them with Duskthread

[formal crystal]

wym should've? is it too late for you?

ah you mean as in your not outlaw

[potent pivot]

I already picked up the quest for daggers

And earned conquest

The quest is not retroactive

Don’t think I can abandon it and pick it back up as outlaw, I’d lose my current progress

[formal crystal]

ahh okay

im gonna do like you said and craft boots now :) does it matter the material we use to craft?

like quality

[potent pivot]

Nope

Mats and embel can be r1

[formal crystal]

perfect :)

and we want haste ~11% out of arena right

i check on check pvp and some very good outlaws play with 1% some 5% and some 11% so ig stats doesnt matter too much really

just mostly how you play ^

[last jasper]

By never you mean literally never?
It was there before this reset.

[potent pivot]

Never seen it on NA

Not once

[potent pivot]

10-15% IN arena, unbuffed

[formal crystal]

wanting to craft a gear through "place order" what does it usually cost? and is it cheaper to search in chat?

[formal crystal]

oh really xd

whops

im at dornogal with 10% haste

[last jasper]

Lmao. Weird. It was there at least twice last week(reset)

[potent pivot]

I usually put in a 2k tip to get it crafted faster

[potent pivot]

The haste matters a lot for outlaw

Some people probably just don’t know about it yet

A lot of the “top players” right now are only on top because they played a lot this week

[formal crystal]

yeah but i checked people with experience pvp at 2.9k rating thats like at the top? is it not? idk

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t pay any attention to what they’re doing

[formal crystal]

or atleast i think epvp is the "highest" they have been

i have no clue honestly xd

[tawdry lodge]

losing the extra range on acrobatic strikes feels bad

would get rooted and enemy moves 2 inches away = lose the entire stealth window

[potent pivot]

yeah i've gotta be honest

[formal crystal]

but if it says like this, does that mean IN arena with ilvl 626 he has 1% haste? xd

[potent pivot]

it feels like they really fucked us over removing acrobatic strikes and not tuning all the roots and slows

it feels infinitely worse to pvp as a rogue now

[potent pivot]

like i said, i would not pay them any attention

[formal crystal]

but its not this season its record overall 3k rating

is that not like at the top?

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

that doesn't mean that they theory craft the best stuff for their spec, just means they play well

[formal crystal]

okay :p but i guess i have way to much haste? i got 10% in dornogal so i think with my 564 ilvl? :p

[potent pivot]

nah that's fine

if you go over 15% in arena, then you have too much

[formal crystal]

why is the haste even that important?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

read ^^

[formal crystal]

did thanks :)

[potent pivot]

it shortens gcd during ADR

[tawdry lodge]

still pumps, def feels way harder and less fun

[formal crystal]

GCD = what heh

^googled it

[potent pivot]

yeah you just feel way more countered by comps with roots

than you did last expac

[fallen scaffold]

assa feels pretty damn simiilar to me

havent triied sub or outlaw yet

prob wont try outlaw for awhile

[tawdry lodge]

im also not a fan of deathstalker forcing you to use ambush i

[fallen scaffold]

ye'

ive gotten pretty used to it in the rotation

but ye ambush sux

u get the fatty fan of knives afterward atleast tho

[abstract breach]

Where do people duel now?

[fallen scaffold]

they dont kekw

[potent pivot]

in the pvp area

[cyan mural]

if we are talking sin, if you look at the top 5 rogues for sin, 3 are on coin and 2 on death. (On Murloc io)

[potent pivot]

of the new city

[abstract breach]

Where the dummies are?

[fallen scaffold]

real 1s still dueling in front of org

[potent pivot]

looking at top rogues week 1

[fallen scaffold]

or goldshire

[potent pivot]

yeah

there's not a lot of it happening tho

it's not like org/sw

[fallen scaffold]

RIP

good ol days

[potent pivot]

surprised it's not more popular

[abstract breach]

I went to SW but it was empty sadge

[potent pivot]

it even has a pillar

ppl playing the game

too busy for duels

idk why people think Murlok.io is a good metric

week 1 of the season

it blows my mind

[surreal barn]

You all faced a MW flag carrier yet

[cyan mural]

whats your metric then for a comparisson?

[surreal barn]

Toxic af 😂

[fallen scaffold]

PRES fc is toxic af bro

[tawdry lodge]

i just wana garrote and stun the fuck out of everyone

[fallen scaffold]

i usually garrote > cheap shot >ambush

out of stealth

[surreal barn]

I have killed pres, the monk is immortal

[fallen scaffold]

pres flies across map

[abstract breach]

Duels while waiting for Q to pop are super fun

[fallen scaffold]

and if they have dev teammates

[potent pivot]

the theory crafting of myself, Star, other helpers here, and rogues that actually compete in AWC

[fallen scaffold]

rescue

[abstract breach]

No clue why they aren't more popular

[surreal barn]

Then you haven’t seen the 8 spin porting MW yet

Faster

[potent pivot]

queues are fast and there's stuff to do in the new zones

go wpvp stomp some noobs

[abstract breach]

I need to practice tho Sadge

[cyan mural]

So, after your metric what is your verdict on coin as sin?

[potent pivot]

that damage, defensive, and mobility wise it is worse

the only downside to DS atm is playing around the combat bug

[cyan mural]

and why do these highest rated players use coin?

[potent pivot]

bro

literally anyone can get high rating week 1

[fallen scaffold]

lmao

[potent pivot]

they just have to play enough

[cyan mural]

The conclusion is, they are all dumb, just play a lot, and it is objectivly just the worse choice?

[potent pivot]

looking at murlok at the beginning of the season

is what's dumb

you don't know if they're just testing shit

you only see what they happened to log out with

[potent pivot]

i never said they were dumb. i said it is the worse choice yes.

[fallen scaffold]

week 1, metas solved guyz

pack it up

[surreal barn]

I find myself swapping hero specs often depending on the matchup

[cyan mural]

I also dont know your metric. Since you said "I tested it, and other people also did, and we came to conclusion x". I know exactly the same about your metric then the one of these people on murloc?

[fallen scaffold]

..wut

[potent pivot]

don't get what you mean

[cyan mural]

I dont know why the people on murloc pick what they did. Like you said. But I also dont know how exactly you came to your conclusion. Its for both at the end "trust me bro". Dont get me wrong. You probably know way more then me and are probably the better player. But from an outside perspective (mine) at the end of the day, I dont know how you or the guy at murloc came to his conclusion or why on how to chose his talents.

[potent pivot]

you're missing the point

[fallen scaffold]

..

nobody knows

thats why theyre testing shit

thats what hes saying.

[potent pivot]

anyone and their mother could be top 50 on murloc right now

[fallen scaffold]

fate is objectively and subjectively worse tho

[potent pivot]

everyone and their mother is also still testing things

looking at murloc is more of a mid season tool, when everything is figured out, and the actual top 50 rogues are listed

[fallen scaffold]

better off looking at drustvar

[potent pivot]

i'm willing to bet over half the top 50 rogues on murloc right now are "no names"

[fallen scaffold]

even then

[potent pivot]

people that no one really knows of

but yes lets go ahead and copy them because they are "high rating" week 1

[cyan mural]

He did say that, but he said Murloc would be unrealible to form any conclusion. While I pointed out that it seams to split in the top 5 on Murloc. So neither is more dominant then the other pick. And then he said you cant come to any conclusion using Murloc.

[potent pivot]

it just doesn't make any sense at all

[fallen scaffold]

youre literally contradicting yourself

i feel like youre just trying to argue

idk

i dont seee a point

[cyan mural]

How am I contradicting myself? I never said faith is the better choice? (#pvp message)

[potent pivot]

out of the top 5 assa rogues on murloc i only know 2 that actually get r1

and they're both using DS

[cyan mural]

The only thing I said is: 3 are coin and 2 are death

[potent pivot]

yes and i said murloc is a bad metric this early on

[fallen scaffold]

🤣

is this rl

[potent pivot]

that's been my only point, this entire time

[cyan mural]

I know. Im just asking how jink said Im contradicting myself?

[stoic spruce]

Rogue doesnt even have death strike

[fallen scaffold]

i dont care

figure it out

[potent pivot]

..

[potent pivot]

but it DOES have crackshot

[stoic spruce]

Average rogue on rogue violence

[stoic spruce]

YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW

I top dmg meters without it. I'm the only thing preventing outlaw from getting nerfed

Thing

Not person

I'm a gosh damn animal

[potent pivot]

lmao

[stoic spruce]

When outlaw gets nerfed, just know I accidentally went a little too hard.

[potent pivot]

when bte dmg gets buffed by 100% tomrrow, just know that it was me

[stoic spruce]

"Dang bte dmg is so low, this fella must be pretty bad. We should buff it to compensate"

Everytime I touch outlaw it turns to gold

Not my fault

[fallen scaffold]

I wish

[stoic spruce]

Your wish is granted

[formal salmon]

Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.

This is nice

[tawdry lodge]

unnerf acrobatic strikes

[rain crown]

@stoic spruce I also don’t like crack shot

What build do you play

[tawdry lodge]

ass is not fun with short range attacks lol

might have to learn sub

[formal salmon]

Looking at the patch notes for the PTR, you can get additional charges on symbols of death now which will be nice so you can have it up every time you shadow dance.

[wanton breach]

@potent pivotdid you craft pvp gear already? what's the pve ilvl on it?

[wintry dew]

610 if you use purple pvp material

[potent pivot]

it's 597-610

depends on the mats you use and i think the crafter?

[wintry dew]

Yep

I can confirm

[hexed pewter]

which macros would you recommend to a new player? i mean the macros that cast more skills at the same time..like dance+tea+badge? or dance + symbols?

[fallen scaffold]

these 40k enchants man.....

welp

swipe

[tawdry lodge]

[fallen scaffold]

is what it is

idec

[tawdry lodge]

need to swipe to change to a night elf

[fallen scaffold]

rip, ya u do

[tawdry lodge]

for that full deathstalker dmg

[candid tide]

id say make a separate 1 shot combo that consist of dance,tea,badge only

[stoic spruce]

.

Pinging you to find this later

[candid tide]

and put symbols on secret tech

[potent pivot]

you should have separate keybinds for all of them. you can make a macro with all of it in 1, but you need them separate for other times

[candid tide]

shadow blades should be pressed separately

[potent pivot]

do not do this

[candid tide]

k

stg pressing tea and symbols would waste 2 seconds while dancing

[potent pivot]

press it faster

i press literally all of them separately and do just fine

i never use a big combo macro

[candid tide]

but also ur first move in dance would be secret tech anyways

[hexed pewter]

tyvm! would be easier if i pick cold blood instead of tea and make a macro cold b+secret t?

[potent pivot]

the only safe macros are Tea to Blades and Badge to Symbols. but you still need Tea separate

[potent pivot]

this is also not true

[candid tide]

so if secret tech is not on cd, u just press the key and have symbols instead 😄

[potent pivot]

tea is too good

our class tree talents are very locked

[hexed pewter]

mainly because of energy or mastery?

[orchid plinth]

Start without a macro. Play the game, notice patterns. Create a macro that fits your pattern if you so like. I'd argue macros is more of a PvE opener thing.

[potent pivot]

mastery

[hexed pewter]

oh ok

[candid tide]

i do, secret tech/sepsis/evi/strike/cheap/evi/cheap/evi now , what u think

[potent pivot]

people complain and waffle about macros for sub all the time, the problem is that most of them are suboptimal at best

[hexed pewter]

are there training dummies or something that i can sap so i can train controlling the offtarget?

[potent pivot]

i don't think that's proper

personally

[potent pivot]

yeah, near pvp vendors in dornogal

[orchid plinth]

To be fair you could make a macro for every combination of off GCD abilities and it would technically be faster. So what you like.

[potent pivot]

oh like sap a moving target? naw

go pve some mobs

to get used to things

[hexed pewter]

thanks

[candid tide]

can you share ur current rotation

[potent pivot]

i've told you it before though

it hasn't changed :d

[candid tide]

nahh i cant believe u do rupture in dance to get to 7 macabre

[potent pivot]

yes, i do and you should too

[hexed pewter]

do you open with cheap shot? i saw many guides that tells you to not open with a stun for more damage, is it worth it?

[orchid plinth]

Rupture does mad damage

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAVWeKeyYMk

^^^^^

[candid tide]

omg..

[potent pivot]

yeah you can

[lime oar]

Wouldn’t the shadow dance also empower that rupture even more?

[candid tide]

yes

but

ull get cced

[potent pivot]

how

u cc them first

[candid tide]

theres so much cc

[potent pivot]

you're not sapping 1 blinding 1 kidneying 1?

then resapping and sapping the blind?

then bombing into cheap shots??

[candid tide]

i feel like u ought really try to get to 5 macabre as fast possible

[potent pivot]

i'm just kidding

the rupture opener gives u max macabre stacks

[candid tide]

but ye im noob

[potent pivot]

+darkest night evis

+finality evis

but honestly

what does getting CCed have to do with rupture

[candid tide]

it can kill ur chain

if u get stunned at rupture

u have slow damage

[potent pivot]

it kills ur chain the same exact way if u secret tech

or if u evis

[candid tide]

is what i think

so if u rupture in first second of dance

and u get stunned

u have 0 instant damage off

[potent pivot]

who cares

u have rupture ticking now

[candid tide]

and u still have to chain into sepsis

which is also a dot

[orchid plinth]

Instead of 0.1 instant damage before getting stunned

You now have many thousands of DoT damage!

[potent pivot]

you need to realize how much damage rupture does now

[candid tide]

hmmn i see

[potent pivot]

it will do double your evis damage

over an entire match

[orchid plinth]

Replicating Shadows + longer arena = RUPTURE

[potent pivot]

like literally

30% of our dmg is rupture now

[orchid plinth]

"Am I garbage or is rupture just really good?"

[potent pivot]

if you're keeping it up

[orchid plinth]

When you check details like

[potent pivot]

rupture is arguably too good

but at least it gives us more consistent dmg

[candid tide]

maybe ur right its more dmg

but i feel like with a longer chain to 7 macabre

leaves some opening for healers

[hexed pewter]

can i use only focus macro instead of arena 123?

[potent pivot]

if you want to yeah

arena123 is a bit more advanced

if you need to take time to get used to the class/game you can play without focus macros at first

but as soon as you get comfortable i would implement them into your gameplay asap

[hexed pewter]

thanks

[potent pivot]

i mean that is true no matter what man

your burst window is either cheap->cheap->cheap or kidney->cheap->cheap

the amount of globals happening does not change....

[candid tide]

what would u do if u dance and get ur first rupture in and got stunned instant with dance running?

[potent pivot]

the same thing i would do if i got stunned on dance ever

i would sit the stun unless i need to peel for my team or i'm guaranteed the kill

[candid tide]

i see i see

dang so you would let the dance run out sitting in the stun

but we do get dance bak fast anyways

[potent pivot]

what else can you do

trinketing would be the biggest mistake

[candid tide]

im noob so i usually trinket it to try get my chain off xD

[potent pivot]

[orchid plinth]

Unless trinketing leads to a Finisher -> Kill there is no reason to trinket

Rogues die when they don't have trinket don't waste it

[candid tide]

good advice there

[potent pivot]

as a basic rule for getting started

you shouldn't trinket unless you're about to die or your team mate is about to die

[candid tide]

ye maybe have to ponder what is truly important

but in solo the mindset is to have the higher uptime than ur opps

and the usual advice is to get everything off as fast asap so one can have cds bak sooner then enemy

i dont really believe 100% in this philosophy tho

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4470566

As a rogue yourself: how do you feel when someone randomly trinkets your DR Cheap Shot and you still have Bomb and Duel up?

You should look like this kinda:

[potent pivot]

watching Whaazz have trouble in shuffles

makes me feel a little better now

[stoic spruce]

Bomb should be on restless

[orchid plinth]

Been stuck at work and tonight partner is away so I'll start my shuffle journey and get hard stuck 1300 let's go

[stoic spruce]

Makes me hardddddf

[potent pivot]

bte should always refund max cp during crackshot

can u imagine

bte bte bte bte bte

[stoic spruce]

Crackshot fun?

Impossible

[formal crystal]

after i crafted one gear (the feet) 636 , is there any reason i shouldnt craft another?

[potent pivot]

craft boots 639 with Duskthread embellishment

[formal crystal]

did

[potent pivot]

you could do bracers with Duskthread too

[formal crystal]

i meant 639

[potent pivot]

crafted bracers will be bis so safe to embellish

[formal crystal]

a weapon isnt worth it?

[potent pivot]

we get free weapons soon

up to you

[formal crystal]

right right i forgot Xd

[stoic spruce]

High-key am lead to believe they're cooking real non-crackshot in the semi-near future after these changes

[potent pivot]

a lot of the ppl that crafted weapons play all day everyday

so it's better for them to have weapon now

[stoic spruce]

Ew crafted weapons

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't mind it ngl

[stoic spruce]

We craft main pieces up in here 🙌

[potent pivot]

i'm not a huge crackshot sympathizer

but

fatebound is king shit

[stoic spruce]

They're most def easing into it

Im

Going to prove you wrong

[potent pivot]

tricks might be good after .5

it's not inherently bad now

fatebound just better

gamba gamba

[stoic spruce]

I'm still picking pieces of ass out of my boot from the last guy I absolutely domed

[potent pivot]

same

fatebound coin split their head open

dead in a global

[stoic spruce]

I'm gonna shave and give myself funny mustaches

[warm tundra]

yall think rogue is slightly weaker in ss because it requires more cross cc coordination?

[proud vortex]

i'll never get tired of saying how much i hate dh

[potent pivot]

i think most melee feel weaker in general rn

[proud vortex]

ss always rewarded more the zug zug classes than the ones that need coordination thats for sure

[formal crystal]

nah but i must be doing something crazy wrong when im playing outlaw pvp

i do 0 dmg in 2v2's xd

[tawny quest]

For all the outlaws playing Fatebound, do you track the coins or just go bananas with finishers and hope for a lot of coin damage?

[potent pivot]

you slam everything on CD for outlaw

[potent pivot]

you just play

it isn't really worth tracking because even if you track it, it won't change your gameplay really

there's an argument for tracking it if you run Cold Blood and Inevitability

to force some coin flips

[formal crystal]

i feel like im doing that xd

[potent pivot]

but no one is playing they yet - it's still in the lab

[tawny quest]

Cool, figured something like that

[formal crystal]

do u spam between the eyes after stealth

even if its not on max stacks

[potent pivot]

Yes

[potent pivot]

You mean combo points?

You always want to try to use 5+ combo points for finishers

[formal crystal]

yeahh

but it feels like after stealth obv i will get ccd

then i'd have to restealth

[potent pivot]

You don’t have to restealth

Outlaw is super pve

[formal crystal]

im gonna make it work in pvp :D

[potent pivot]

Its a figure of speech

If something is “pve” in pvp, it just stays in combat and does its rotation

[formal crystal]

ah

[potent pivot]

Like you still have all of your CC and you can also vanish for more crackshot windows

But you rarely need to run for a restealth as outlaw, it’s pretty tanky compared to assa for example

[formal crystal]

really :p

rn i feel completely useless in terms of dmg and stuff haha

[potent pivot]

You lose a lot of cooldown reduction value if you run for a restealth

[formal crystal]

im fast tho

[drowsy dagger]

is it decent gear to do rated at?

i wonder when i can enter rated without being a dissadvantage for my team

[potent pivot]

Why wouldn’t it be

How else are you gonna earn conquest to buy your next pieces

[drowsy dagger]

Do you earn conquest even with loses?

[potent pivot]

No

[drowsy dagger]

cause it seems like horde never wins basically

[potent pivot]

Faction doesn’t matter in rated

Rated is cross faction

[drowsy dagger]

didnt knew that

good to know

[potent pivot]

Buy some blue heraldries to craft a mastery ring 626

To replace the crit ring

As sub you want mastery on every piece of gear

Besides tier set

[drowsy dagger]

yea yea i know im getting there slowly

[potent pivot]

Get a socket as soon as you can as well

For the 5% damage reduction in stuns gem

Did you embellishment your helm?

[drowsy dagger]

whats that

[potent pivot]

[drowsy dagger]

im new to pvp 😦

[potent pivot]

Embellishments are added effects you out on crafted gear

You can only use 2 at a time

[candid tide]

when is awc pvp arena?

for tww

[potent pivot]

In like less than 2 weeks

[drowsy dagger]

how can i do that?

[candid tide]

lesgo!

[potent pivot]

Fastest awc ever

[potent pivot]

I would recommend checking out a gearing guide on YT. Don’t pay attention to exact items just the actual concept

[candid tide]

whaazz has 95% chance of winning it

[potent pivot]

You’d be surprised I think

[candid tide]

he would only lose because of imbalance stuff

[potent pivot]

Bro what

[candid tide]

lol

[potent pivot]

You’re shilling way too hard rn

[drowsy dagger]

can i add embellishment after the gear is already crafted?

[potent pivot]

Yes but you have to do a recraft

Which means u need to talk to a crafter first and send the order specifically to them

You want to put Duskthread Lining embellishment on it

[indigo hill]

Anyone know a good rotation for outlaw?

[potent pivot]

Rank 1 is fine it scales up in pvp

[potent pivot]

I mean there’s only so much you can do

[surreal barn]

Btw when making your pvp gems buy the crappiest reagents

[indigo hill]

That's a good point. Meant opener. 😂

[potent pivot]

You press sinister strike/ambush to build, pistol shot if you have procs, etc

[indigo hill]

Feeling wiser already.

[potent pivot]

Don’t you just buy the gems off the AH?

[surreal barn]

Naw

Craft

[potent pivot]

I bought my enduring gem on the AH

[surreal barn]

I did not and now I feel stupid

How much you pay

[potent pivot]

Like 15k

It costs a vicious bloodstone to make

[surreal barn]

I paid 1k

I feel better

[potent pivot]

I’d rather buy it ngl

Than learn a prof I don’t have

[surreal barn]

I put that bad boy on public order

[potent pivot]

Ohhh

Lmao wtf

[surreal barn]

Since there was no rating requirement

[potent pivot]

Well you had to get the vicious bloodstone yourself

That’s why it was cheap

[surreal barn]

Right, I had a bunch

Got from bounties

[formal crystal]

i do like 10M dmg in 2v2's

while my teammate does like 30M

i feel so bad

[potent pivot]

Practice

[surreal barn]

Dagger in the dark should still count up during subterfuge

It’s such a shit talent

[safe pelican]

Hahahaha that’s hilarious i feel your pain I just started a job on Monday the week the season starts but was in between jobs the whole off season 🤣 ironic , def only get to run about 5-10 arena matches a night before i have to get off with working gunna lock in this weekend though only time you really get to play a game like with with a job imo

[surreal barn]

It’s my birthday so my boss told me to take off

[safe pelican]

Make sure you tell him to pay you still lol 🤣

[potent pivot]

Dagger in the dark should be removed from the game*

i fixed it for you

[spare drum]

soooo, after s1 release, whats the biggest dps spec we have for pvp?

[potent pivot]

rogue

[spare drum]

=_=

[potent pivot]

i'm serious, dealer's choice

they're all good

[spring bough]

Hell yeah PVP grind day

[spare drum]

oh ok

i was torn between assa and sub

but i saw ppl rank outlaw pretty low, compared to sub/ass

[long oxide]

Hey guys does the crafted pvp gear from th forged gladiators heraldry only work in bgs or also in arena ?

[candid tide]

any pvp

[potent pivot]

don't pay attention to tier lists

they're made for content and half the time the people making them don't know what they're talking about

[spare drum]

so outlaw is also on par dmgwhise

im just lacking the knowledge for such decisions, cuz i enjoy sub/assa equally, so id rather go the "stronger" build in terms of burst or general dmg

[candid tide]

affli is him in 3s

[somber plank]

Are you playing solo q or with a 2/3s team?

[lone anvil]

From what I understand Assassination is generally considered to be the easiest spec of the 3 to play ATM

[potent pivot]

gear for sub/assa is similar, where as outlaw is very different gear

[spare drum]

well i queue up with randoms or play shuffle

[potent pivot]

so gearing sub/assa first is good

[lone anvil]

But that being said if you hate affliction and love outlaw you might find outlaw easier

[potent pivot]

what

[wintry dew]

Happy birthday brother

[lone anvil]

I've talked to different rogues and stuff. And I've heard from alot of people Subtley has a higher ceiling than affliction but is harder and not as fun to play.

And outlaw is alot about timing the different moves. Like if you mias your between the eyes it's just not a fun time

[wintry dew]

Comparing two classes in that capacity is kinda... Hard

[lone anvil]

Most people I've talked to have said aassassination is easier and more forgiving out of the 3. I play affliction and ive played outlaw recently and I definitely think Affliction is easier. Just slightly worse movement than outlaw

But I havent played subtley so I don't have a perspective outside what I've heard

[somber plank]

I generally enjoy soloq more as Sub overall, mostly for cheesing shadowy duel situations and for big sectec moments but when I play with my MW buddy in 2s then I find Assass is much more successful

[wintry dew]

Ranged... Melee

So many variables

[somber plank]

Assass played right you'll be doing really good overall dmg

but at least for me when I'm playing sub my overall dmg numbers don't look great, but the extra tools and high burst help to clinch rounds

[sweet swallow]

are people using GladiusEx or Gladius for arena frames

[lone anvil]

I haven't played sub in a long time. Is there a PvP guide you'd recommend or a channel of a player incould look at a build dlfrom

[sweet swallow]

Gladius says last update was a while a ago

While GladiusEx says update was recent but in game says out of date

[somber plank]

Swapped to EX, the bicmex version started wigging out in SS and made the background frame super big

[sweet swallow]

my Ex won't load in game

weird

[somber plank]

in terms of build I think I just copied what Nahj has on Murlok

search him up on youtube he posted a short going over his opener and he's been streaming his games

[lime oar]

Pretty sure bro meant to be saying assassination not affliction this whole time

[somber plank]

I will say though I'm also very much learning after not seriously pvping for ages - like my CC is all over the place and really the only tool I make full use of is Shadowy Duel lol

[safe pelican]

Best Melee - Fury War
Best Caster - Aff Lock/ Destro

Imo

[candid tide]

1.aff
2.fmage

or dragon

[safe pelican]

Yea mage is next up but you gotta know how to kite and use the defense kit

[candid tide]

idk xD

[somber plank]

I wanted to unsub chasing dragons and frosties around today in 2s

[candid tide]

ah ye theres talent to reduce the cd on the flying of dragons iirc

the thing with hover is that it actually can dash to some distance when pressing it

[somber plank]

Man I had to fight 2 dev evokers earlier

[safe pelican]

lol idk what that spell is but it needs to be nerfed just ice skating around the arena

[candid tide]

whaazz was complaining about vs double dragon as rogs

[somber plank]

Got one low, the otherone just flew in and carried their buddy to safety

And I'm sitting here like

[candid tide]

double shroud is just toomuch work for a rog he said

[somber plank]

cool man my Shadowstep is on cooldown

[candid tide]

ye the rescue is toxic right

[safe pelican]

lol i run double rogue and double dragon is hell when they are on stun DR and step is on CD

Dragon period just trash … DELETE

🚮

[somber plank]

Does dev also get access to that stun cc immunity garbage too

or is it just pres

[candid tide]

think all of them gets shroud

[somber plank]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-erase-not-worth-forget-it-clean-slate-gif-8510937

That round took forever

My poor MW buddy just chasing me around frantically keeping me alive

We won but I damn well felt like I lost

[stoic spruce]

Ewwwwww dragon period

[lone anvil]

👍🔥🤌

[proper heath]

Kidneyshot changes Are really fraustrating me

I've thrown about 20 games. Thinking I had kidney.

[abstract breach]

yo I encourage you guys to go near the pvp vendor to duel

I've been there for two hours or so dueling people and other people have started to duel a lot too 😄

[tawdry lodge]

was whaaz playing sub?

[tawdry lodge]

destro? hold up bruh

[potent pivot]

destro is good

but it's nothing compared to frost mage

[tawdry lodge]

it's dog shit compare to frost mage

icelance hits as hard as chaos bolt

[potent pivot]

i've seen some destros pump

[candid tide]

it can never take over outside stormwind

[tender ember]

any testing info with weap radiant power vs authority ?

on assa

[potent pivot]

there's really no competition

radiant power is main stat and higher proc rate

[tender ember]

oh thanks

[potent pivot]

i also tested the ascension just to see

[tender ember]

i saw some ppl were using authority but i guess it failed

[potent pivot]

dropping combat drops the buff so you have to restack it

it didn't seem that great compared to duskthread

maybe like -.5% worse

[tender ember]

i had it like this in 3:15~ game

if added uptime is over 3 mins, so feels kinda good

[potent pivot]

ye but the issue is some of that time is spent restacking

it isn't 10 stacks on all that uptime

[tender ember]

i see

[potent pivot]

you're getting pretty low uptime on the vers/mast

the crit/haste isn't horrible don't get me wrong

but the 2x vers is just guaranteed decent uptime

all the embellishments are tuned to be like ~2% dmg inc so in the end it isn't going to make a big difference

can prolly use either

@jolly sierra

[spring bough]

Sad

Another mount another uncollected 😂

[potent pivot]

i mean one of the WQs doesn't even show up on NA

so right now it's kinda fucked either way

[tender ember]

Actually its wrong

just tested it, and when i vanish/meld/restealth

i dont lose any stacks

[spring bough]

And they haven’t fixed the sparks completed looks like cause I’m at 3 lol

[potent pivot]

no, it isn't. keep watching the buff. it lasts it's duration and then it drops.

it doesn't instantly drop

[tender ember]

i just got stack added when i melded and stand in stealth

i mean after 2 sec into meld

stack went up

[jolly sierra]

xd

[potent pivot]

i promise you, when you drop combat it resets

i tested this thoroughly yesterday

[tender ember]

maybe hotfixed

idk im gonna test again

[potent pivot]

That’s how it’s supposed to work

If you read the tooltip

[tender ember]

doesnt seem to me anything about reset is mentioned

[potent pivot]

“In combat”

The only reason that embellishment is good for PvE is because in raids Vanish does not drop combat (in a raid fight)

[peak jolt]

Where do I go to turn my pvp gear into tier gear?

[potent pivot]

Gonna take me like 3 more weeks of doing the quest on all chars

[potent pivot]

The Catalyst

Sorta near the AH in Dornogal

[peak jolt]

I see. I'll try to find it with that info, thanks

[tender ember]

so you mean when i instantly drop combat i should lose buff?

[potent pivot]

No

It lasts it’s duration

Once the duration is over it resets

[jolly sierra]

im lazy af w this stuff so i dont bother if it takes the whole xp

[potent pivot]

Do an opener on a dummy and Vanish to do some extra garrotes or something and watch the buff

Once the duration runs out, it resets. Then it starts restacking again from 0

[spring bough]

Anyone dealt with these preso evokes and doing top dmg with the healing embelish??

It’s nerf time for that lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah pres dmg nerfs AND embellishments nerfs lmao

[spring bough]

Redistributes 2% of their health to their target as dmg based on direct healing. So seems like they dpsing us and mouse over healing and that embelish doing their top overall

At 7m health that’s like 140k a hit

They were 6-0 disc priests last night

That’s gotta stop lol

[potent pivot]

Dev/frost/pres and affli/frost/pres

Are fucking disgusting rn

It’s like you’re not even playing wow anymore when you face these

[peak jolt]

I assume we want to craft daggers later on with vers/mast after we fill up on conq gear and go to min-max?

[tender ember]

i had 2 stacks, vanished, opened with garote and regained stack like 3 sec into

it was on bg tho, but had same on arena

so 8 sec timer didnt reset with that vanish

according to ur statement if i vanished, i should lose all stacks after vanish when buff was supposed to be gone

[wanton breach]

I'm a bit late to the bloody token farm - do all wq give bloody tokens?

[potent pivot]

it will keep stacking until the buff falls off

once the duration is over, it's gone and resets to 0

i literally tested this thing for an hour straight + many arenas

[potent pivot]

yeh

pretty sure

[hidden moth]

yeah, legit pick up ur spark quest and go complete that. when u turn it in u will be blood token cap

[wanton breach]

oh, bloody token cap, how lame

[potent pivot]

yeah i wouldn't bother with doing WQs much

[hidden moth]

all world quests give tokens only if completed with war mode on

[potent pivot]

just do the sparks weekly

[sweet swallow]

do I need to finish the campaign for spark quest?

[potent pivot]

pretty positive yes

you can't even do WQs without completing campaign

[hidden moth]

they reworked it, instead of needing tokens of strife and the tokens its just tokens are caped and dont have two tiers of gear to purchase with them

maybe he can get the weekly? but would have to complete it from sheer openworld kills

just do the campaign its not long and u can skip the cutscenes

[drowsy dagger]

feels like every rogue and their mama's playing assa in pvp these days

where are all the sub fanboys at

[potent pivot]

if it didn't reset out of combat, you would have 100% uptime when you add up the uptime of the 4 buffs on details. just think about it for a minute. the 4 buffs never add up to 100%.

[hidden moth]

not playing it bc it has 3x buttons that ass does

[candid tide]

if algari daggs are better than cq daggs shouldnt we get both of them in the future?

to epic

wait no sub plays 2.60 offhand mb

[potent pivot]

no, it doesn't

[candid tide]

why are all rogs running it then?

[potent pivot]

define all

people who fully understand how the spec works are not

let me see if i can explain this simply

slow off hand was played on sub for a long time because you could almost never get mastery on pvp dagger

some people are still stuck in those times

1. even using 2 crit daggers > using a slow offhand

[candid tide]

yeah true

[potent pivot]

2. we can craft 2 mastery daggers later this season

[candid tide]

whaazz is the only one running it lol

[potent pivot]

shadow techniques are too good now

since they were reworked

and you also have to option of playing Improved Shadow Techniques as a talent

which makes them regen hella energy

slow off hand has been worse since they made these changes

[candid tide]

ai bet

[tender ember]

when i got another stack after vanish it reseted timer to 15 bro and i could kept on getting another stacks every other 8 secs and reseting timer as well to 15 secs

[tender ember]

pretty sure i had 100% uptime

cos buff is 3:04 arena was 3:20~~ or sth as i remember

and count time till i opened and 8 sec into combat

[potent pivot]

idk what to tell you i know what i saw yesterday

it really doesn't matter regardless

[tender ember]

ye and i tell u how it is working now xD

[potent pivot]

the thing gives worse stats half the time

[jolly sierra]

nah is not for that lol, the job itself is awful, just noticed in night shifts im working 10 hours per day

[potent pivot]

pretty sure vers is going to be the go to regardless

even if they did change something with the ascension which i'm not sure i can believe until i see it

[spring bough]

People playing trickster outlaw other than me 🔥

[celest spade]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[static rapids]

has some1 seen the new 2.1 enchant?

[pliant spoke]

what are people buying first with conquest for assass?

[sweet swallow]

heard helm was a good buy

but i'm a noob

[gusty hedge]

👀

[sweet swallow]

As much as I love rogue and will keep playing... hunter is so much easier 😭 😵

my brain may be too small for rogue atm

[pliant spoke]

the aoe aspect annoys me for arena

fun as hell in bgs/bg blitz tho

[sweet swallow]

haven't even touched the aoe salvo build

the biggest thing is the interupts feel so much easier as a range

feel like i can actually think about my kicks rather than pulling off my rotation and maintaining all my bleeds

[warm tundra]

do you guys disable this type of WA while pvping?

i havent seen anyone pvp with it

[surreal barn]

Brothers in darkness

[hexed pewter]

are dracthyrs going to be the meta race for rogue?

[potent pivot]

Yes, it’s terrible

It’s also from 1950 now not 2.1

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Some people play with them, most don’t

[prime wing]

What kinda builds are assa running in 2s atm?

[potent pivot]

Happy birthday

[potent pivot]

The same build in the pins but with KB

[wintry dew]

Less than an hour until I get home and Q SS

[jolly sierra]

happy bday zeiss

[potent pivot]

It’s also mine

[hollow carbon]

I think the reason is that these WAs mainly come from PVE players and also their perspectives. A lot of skilled arena players play mostly arena and therefore just have different WAs which are more situational instead of whole UI packs

[potent pivot]

We actually might. Double jump is pretty insane.

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot it's YOUR birthday too???

[potent pivot]

There’s a gearing faq linked in the pins

[potent pivot]

[prime wing]

What's the reasoning behind crimson tempest tho 😒

[wintry dew]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY YOU SNEAKY MF

[potent pivot]

It does a lot of damage

[potent pivot]

Ty

[prime wing]

even ST with the reduced dmg on fewer targets?

[candid tide]

@potent pivot do u know why whaazz is still clinging on the 2.60 offhand?

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

Swag

[potent pivot]

I don’t think he will now that we can craft double mastery daggers. Idk why he still was in the first place. Some sub rogues just think mastery > everything, but even whaazz isn’t really a theory crafter

He mostly just copies the people that test the stuff

[candid tide]

very true, he got annoyed by raiku theorycrafting last on stream

[potent pivot]

Using slow off hand for a very long time wasn’t a big deal, and was even preferred in SL when we went Kyrian because slower shadow tech procs made hitting Kyrian points easier

But ever since shadow tech was changed it has been a lot worse from an actual numbers standpoint

[surreal barn]

No way

lol

[potent pivot]

Even before the change, using a slow off hand was equivalent to using an off hand dagger that was 50+ ilvl lower in pve for example

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[surreal barn]

Happy birthday to you too 😆

[candid tide]

im just happy i can transmog both daggers now : D

[plucky escarp]

Are we sending a shiv > kingsbane or waiting to use kingsbane for the Lingering Darkness buff, if possible?

[potent pivot]

Situational

[candid tide]

happy bday to both

[plucky escarp]

I hate situations

[potent pivot]

Don’t feel forced to wait

[plucky escarp]

In shuffle if I wait someone is already dead to a 2m shadow bolt lol

[potent pivot]

Sending it during DM is fine too

Lmao

[plucky escarp]

The initial dmg is so piss

[potent pivot]

Yep

[plucky escarp]

The dot is fine with shiv and re shiv

[potent pivot]

That’s why we aren’t really running it anymore

[plucky escarp]

Yeah I got a build off of Nespers armory where he was playing that plus poison bomb

[chrome schooner]

I hvae to say

The "full cleave" spec of assa we used to play feels really wrong unless you face people who don't try to kite you

Going back to PB/KB build seems better

[plucky escarp]

What do you mean by full clean?

[potent pivot]

Cleave

[chrome schooner]

Cleave, oops

[plucky escarp]

Oh dope

No you’re fine. I don’t speak English that well 😆

[drowsy dagger]

Tbh i dont really like assa in pvp, always preffered sub

[potent pivot]

Idk even against people that kite us it feels best to me so far, Fan and CT make losing Acro feel slightly more bearable

How does KB/PB help if you can’t connect to get use out of them?

[chrome schooner]

It's not like DoTs do no dmg if you choose not to play carnage, or the right/left side

[summer breach]

one of the major issues is the increased range is removed

[chrome schooner]

When youdon't connect you do roughly the same damage

[summer breach]

I think we have to get used to play around the marks/darkest night

[chrome schooner]

OR !

You play Fatebound, but you ditch the Tea for CB and you play single target with Arterial and DTB and KB

[potent pivot]

Yeah dropping IC vs caster comps sounds fine to me

[chrome schooner]

The same way you'd play in Shadowlands

You do need to not suck at managing energy like 80% of people though

[summer breach]

Could work but overall the bodes from deathstalker seem stronger

[potent pivot]

I’m not sold on DTB at all but not against giving it a try

[summer breach]

will seee

[chrome schooner]

Deathstalker deals more damage

That's not a question

However Deathstalker doesn't help you reach your target, which ultimately is what makes you deal damage

The #1 weakness of Assa right now is how not mobile it is, how easy it is to kite you

Only Fatebound helps there

And I say that while prefering to play Deathstalker myself

[hexed pewter]

any addon that tells you the time until you'll exit combat mode (so you can stealth)? that also takes in consideration bleeding and other effects you have

[chrome schooner]

But the few times I've played Fatebound, I had much better uptime

[potent pivot]

Yeah I was talking with someone about that last night

Like vs frost mage maybe fatebound could work etc

[chrome schooner]

Vs many things in this meta

Warlock

DK

Mage

Ranged Hunter

Have a look at what the 4 top DPS specs are right now :p

[drowsy dagger]

Whats so special about it thag makes kiting more of a good time?

[potent pivot]

I haven’t had much issue with DK unless they’re with another aids class

[chrome schooner]

Well you have a talent node that makes you unslowable below 70%

And your slow slows people more

So you catch them

[potent pivot]

Not 100% uptime though to be fair

[chrome schooner]

You can force it

[drowsy dagger]

Sounds amazing tbh, didnt even touched fatebringer once

[chrome schooner]

It's really high uptime

It only drops when you switch coins which isn't often

Also

You roll new coils when you press a finisher

So unless you get kited the second you press your finisher AND have the unlucky roll

You will hvae it

And when that happens well step sprint w.e

But besides that the tree is a bit boring

[potent pivot]

You’ve tried Inevitability yeah?

For forcing rolls

I assume yes because you mentioned CB earlier