pvp

[grave basin]

Rank of embelish has never mattered

[outer sky]

He said enchant

[grave basin]

Oh what

[outer sky]

I know for sure enchant ranks matter

[inland thorn]

No we're talking about embellish the enchant was just an exemple

[tender ember]

i think enchants rank metters

[inland thorn]

Was the embellish thing tested

[grave basin]

Enchant rank matters yea..

Embelish doesn't

It's the same as DF

[tender ember]

it was, and its like this since df

[inland thorn]

TIL I guess

Seems really strange

[grave basin]

When you craft the item , the embelish is ranked up to the trophy that also ranks it up

Where else the enchant is done separately post craft

[abstract breach]

Aw fuck

[grave basin]

It's not really worth blowing that much gold on enchants now , especially those flat stat ones

One mastery ring enchant is 20k gold for R3..

[potent pivot]

yeah the ring enchants especially are outrageous

i've never noticed a ring ench that high, that i remember anyway

[outer sky]

The leg enchants are dirt cheap though

And it's almost 1k main stat plus stamina

[potent pivot]

the one with armor is pretty high

[outer sky]

Yeah it is but I think the stam one is better anyway

[potent pivot]

also apparently wrist enchant is the only speed we should get most likely

wrist is 1k speed, the other 2 are only 250

so we prolly run Leech on cloak

[drowsy dagger]

i feel like burst dmg of sub isnt that bursty, like people can out heal my dps

[outer sky]

There's a feet enchant that gives speed and stam

Defenders march

[outer sky]

If they couldn't it would be broken. You're supposed to combine your damage with CC to make the healer fall behind and force CDs to eventually land a kill

[potent pivot]

that one is stam only

[drowsy dagger]

well sounds about right

thats not classic wow

[outer sky]

Oh is it

Well that's the one I liked most on beta

[potent pivot]

Scout's March is 250 speed

so we prolly use Defender's March anyway

we use this on cloak

[outer sky]

So for the cloak enchant btw

Just fyi

That's 1% leech

And the speed one is 1% speed

[potent pivot]

ye but it also has the healing

the bracer speed is like 5%

[outer sky]

But you don't get the 1st tick of healing until you've been out of combat for 5s

You and I had this discussion already lol

[potent pivot]

ye during beta

[outer sky]

I'm making the argument you made to me

[potent pivot]

the speed one is just garbage af

iirc during DF we had more speed from enchants

not this 1% shit

[outer sky]

I'll probably run the speed one anyway because I'd rather 1% speed over 1% leech and the hearthstone CD is nice QoL

I already enchanted my chest

I went with Chrystaline radiance

Hopefully that was the right choice

[potent pivot]

why wouldn't it be

[drowsy dagger]

Do i buy any of the honor items for pvp? i really dont understand the gearing thing here

[potent pivot]

thats the best option it's more agi

[outer sky]

There's one that gives slightly less agi but like 4% speed

That's the one the monks are running

[potent pivot]

i would go check out a pvp gear video on YT before you get started if you're new to it

[potent pivot]

it's only 1% speed

[drowsy dagger]

it looks even harder to gear up than it is in pve

[potent pivot]

nah it's way easier

you just need the knowledge

trust, look up a YT vid

it's easy

[outer sky]

The chest enchant with speed is only 1%??? I could have sworn it was 4% on beta

[potent pivot]

it's 250 speed same as cloak and boots

[outer sky]

F

[potent pivot]

bracers are ~5% and have 1k speed on them

[outer sky]

I gotta wonder why the armor leg enchant is so expensive. I feel like even in PvE people would prefer stamina to armor. Except for MAYBE a tank and even then more stam still sounds better

[potent pivot]

armor is good

[marble crag]

so looking at the ptr talent calculator it seems if you get 2 points super charger and end node for 3 super charged points you cant get the second vanish

lmao

[potent pivot]

you can't get Tea*

but yeah

[marble crag]

so you basically have to give up one super charged poit or give up tea

[potent pivot]

basically

it's very troll

[marble crag]

Facepalm

[potent pivot]

that doesn't need to be a 2 pt node

it's not strong enough for that

[marble crag]

i mean you still get 8 points but you only get those two extra during symbols window

dont know, it doesnt feel great

[potent pivot]

and i'm pretty sure you only get 1 big finisher

[marble crag]

what do you mean?

[potent pivot]

like you don't get that your entire symbols window

you get it once from casting symbols

[outer sky]

Shadowstep is still on the class tree in the PTR talent calculator. Did I read the notes wrong? Because I thought it was supposed to go to the sub and assass spec trees only

[potent pivot]

yeah idk on PTR outlaw has step and 2 hooks

[marble crag]

wait what really? i thought it was like a duration thing

not sure its worth it then

[outer sky]

Do you have an account on PTR?

[potent pivot]

to me it reads like it's 1 finisher

[marble crag]

thats crap then

[potent pivot]

nah trimaz showed me the other day

i can make a char on it but it'd be pointless rn

today's changes are NYI

[outer sky]

I'm just super curious about the subterfuge changes

[radiant glen]

because it uses tinderbox in the recipe which is 10k alone

[marble crag]

same i was hoping the tooltip would be more clear but no

[sharp pumice]

I'm dumb, why are people using the forged aspirant gear when it doesn't scale as high as the honor gear

*algari competitors

my bad

[potent pivot]

algari gear can be 613/626/639

depending on which Heraldry used to craft it

there's honor level (blue) heraldries that cost 175 honor

there's conq level (purple) that cost 175 conq, which you also get 9 for free from winning pvp games

[sharp pumice]

ahhh okay so it's a display error making them lower

[marble crag]

The first dance really doesnt need a nerf in PVP. Sub could do with 3 more seconds of dance and in arina you almost never are gonnabe 10 whole sec out of combat. Nor in m+ 6s. It will be good for blitz though i guess. The problem is you are forced to take it unless you go for weapon master which might be more viable. I wonder if 2 symbols + weapon master+ the rotten will be a more viable build

[potent pivot]

on what?

[loud ember]

is it worth putting a socket on the crafted helmet?

or should i save it for jewelry

[potent pivot]

that's completely up to you

you likely want at least 1 socket for the 5% dmg reduction in stuns

[loud ember]

precog gem right?

[potent pivot]

precog is for casters

[loud ember]

whats the 5% gem called then

[potent pivot]

enduring? idr

yeah enduring

[loud ember]

aight based

[abstract breach]

Assa players how do you feel about Kingsbane? Feels pretty good not to take, but the IV guide doesn't take it

[loud ember]

look at pins

kingsbane is for 2s / single target

[potent pivot]

build in the pins is the same as IV's aoe build as well

[outer sky]

I've found myself taking it also in 3s if the enemy team has a frost mage.

[modern hawk]

the heraldry quest starts in rated content right?

[potent pivot]

after you win some yes

[potent pivot]

i think you can get it from unrated too

[modern hawk]

hmm ok, then i guess need to do more

[abstract breach]

I'm fairly sure I got it from unrated

[modern hawk]

havent gotten it yet

[potent pivot]

for arenas it takes a few wins

blitz/BGs is 1 win i'm fairly certain

[modern hawk]

cool, thx

yup got it, took 2 skirm wins

[loud ember]

i got it doing epic battlegrounds for the quest

[outer sky]

I'm boycotting EBGs

The last time I did a pvp quest that made me grind honor in those

I got Ashran EVERY SINGLE TIME

Nope, not worth it

I will never do another Ashran

[sharp pumice]

what's wrong with ass-ram?

[fallen scaffold]

fuckkkk ashran

[outer sky]

as melee dps ashran is the most miserable content in the game and it's not even close

[fallen scaffold]

ya i usualyl jusr pve in the forest

try and summon the bic boi

[marble crag]

guys i think they have made thistle tea passive and removed the 2 charges.

The notes here say cooldown changed from 1min to none. Charges changed from 3 to None

wtf

[azure rapids]

Should this give me 2 weapons for my spec, because the first one aint for Outlaw

[marble crag]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

you can use a dagger in offhand as outlaw

fuck i should've taken the quest as outlaw if it gives both dagger and sword

[potent pivot]

on PTR it's still active

[modern hawk]

any suggestions for embelishment for pvp for crafted items? like boots

[potent pivot]

duskthread lining

[modern hawk]

there is nothing better? i mean, rogue gets a lot of damage in arena :p

[marble crag]

Yeah i wonder if its implemented in the next ptr update. Huge if true. It wasnt in the blue post notes

[modern hawk]

being 80%+ all the time

seems impractical

[fallen scaffold]

why?

[modern hawk]

or maybe im wrong

[fallen scaffold]

you are

lol

[modern hawk]

ok

[potent pivot]

last expansion we used 2x mastery linings

and they were above 90% health lol

[modern hawk]

thx for info

still learning

what stats should i am for, vers/mast?

[fallen scaffold]

yep

[modern hawk]

assassination

[potent pivot]

on pretty much everything except tier set yea

[drowsy dagger]

should i grind honor and conquest in rated bg? even if im not geared?

[fallen scaffold]

i wouldnt

[hidden moth]

nah, just do normal bgs and quests tbh

also if u do ur quests for bloody tokens and the crafting stuff u can skip 4 pieces of honor gear

[fallen scaffold]

if were not getting wpn enchant now, what slot do i do for my 2nd dusk thread?

can i do gloves?

[inland thorn]

Do you guys have tips on how to deal with unholy

And dks in general

[fallen scaffold]

idk i shred them as assa

[hidden moth]

assassa goes vers mastery, then crit right?

[fallen scaffold]

haste

[inland thorn]

I play outlaw

[hidden moth]

vers mast, then haste

[fallen scaffold]

2nd embelshment on wut slot

[potent pivot]

i'd recommend getting fully honor geared first

[drowsy dagger]

how much honor is that estimated?

[fallen scaffold]

12k?

[potent pivot]

craft something with blue heraldries

[inland thorn]

Easiest way to farm is getting a friend and doing 2s

[fallen scaffold]

even if i have 5 of trhe conq ones left?

[inland thorn]

Or if you're in alliance join a larkus epic bg community

[potent pivot]

you can either go helm or gloves

[inland thorn]

Alliance wins most BGs it's a fast track for honor

[fallen scaffold]

u can put embelish on either right

[potent pivot]

dusk should go on any leather piece afaik

[fallen scaffold]

coo

gloves it is

[inland thorn]

Do you not use glove for tier set

[fallen scaffold]

nah

[potent pivot]

not sure

it's the worst looking piece but if we go goggles we might use gloves

[fallen scaffold]

erm wait actually

ya

ima go goggles

can i puit embelishment on that

[potent pivot]

i've got no idea

[fallen scaffold]

lets seeee

[potent pivot]

i don't think so actually

just missive and a tinker thing

[crimson torrent]

can u get glad title from 2v2?

[potent pivot]

no

[fallen scaffold]

hmm fack

what to craft then maaaan

[potent pivot]

use blue heraldries

to craft something

[fallen scaffold]

and just hold onto these 5 conq ones

[potent pivot]

and put it on that something

even if u do bracers just to get it on something

bracers can't be tier

u can recraft them into conq level later

[fallen scaffold]

oh so i can conq those bad bois rn then

[potent pivot]

AND

[fallen scaffold]

just might not be technically "bis" 4 weeks from now

[potent pivot]

there's no vers mast conq bracers on vendor

[fallen scaffold]

oh yup ima craft bracers

[potent pivot]

so it's like all around crafted bracers are bis

can you remove embellishments?

i've never had to in the past

[fallen scaffold]

u could in df

used a reagent called vanishing powder ors ome shit

had to rc

[potent pivot]

ic

[modern hawk]

ye you can remove embelishments with recrafting

which bracers better to craft tho, 2 sec stats or 1 sec stat + socket

[hidden moth]

so thinking of gear stuff, buy helm and shoulders with conq, snag chest for free with 1600 token, then craft gloves, and boots, and bloody token belt and cloak
figure 4 set of helm shoulder chest pants is best bc of the stats on each of the pieces, unfort will have to buy 2 of the expensive gear pieces for tier. or do i just craft ring and boots and wait to spend bloody tokens on other gear since bloodtoken cant get u rings or necks etc

[potent pivot]

buy shoulders->catalyst
legs from 1.6k

craft boots+X

wpvp belt+cloak

[hidden moth]

then dont spend any more conq? and is that for ass or sub

[potent pivot]

what you do with it is kinda up to you

if you play sub buy badge prob

it was for both really

[hidden moth]

gotcha, am i right in assuming for 4 set ass would leave out the gloves?

[potent pivot]

not sure

if we run goggles then no

[modern hawk]

tinker socket useful in pvp/arena?

[potent pivot]

if we don't run goggles, we'd leave out gloves

[potent pivot]

nah

[hidden moth]

engi goggles?

[potent pivot]

ya

[hidden moth]

i would need to run m+ for those right or is there a pvp version for them

that the tokens can craft

[potent pivot]

there's a pvp version afaik

[hidden moth]

gotcha

asusme we go badge for our 2 minute burst windows with deathmark

im new to retail rogue and cant find any assassination pvp guides on youtube

[potent pivot]

assa playstyle leans towards insignia

we used badge because kingsbane was big dmg

it's not as big dmg anymore rn

[hidden moth]

gotcha, not to mention the slew of reworks coming in a monthor 2

[potent pivot]

Those won’t change your gear much

[terse bolt]

!craft

what do we craft first boys?

juicy dagger?

[hidden moth]

so conq shoulders, and chest, free legs for 2 piece, craft boots and prob a ring, and wpvp belt cloak. then save conq till we figure out if its goggles or not.

[potent pivot]

Scroll up a tiny bit

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

[terse bolt]

gotchu

[potent pivot]

If you’re sweaty you can craft a dagger

But we get free daggers week 3

[hidden moth]

yeah, im holding off bc free dagger in 2 resets

[fallen scaffold]

wait can u put embelish on a ring?

not dusk right

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so no

[fallen scaffold]

cause its a thread

kekw

[potent pivot]

Jink I’ve said this twice tho

U can craft an honor level piece and put dusk on it

Like bracers

[fallen scaffold]

i know

[potent pivot]

Ok

[hidden moth]

what embelishment do we run for assassian?

[fallen scaffold]

im crafting conq bracers

[potent pivot]

Atm 2x duskthread

[terse bolt]

and what embelishment do you suggest for boots?

[potent pivot]

Which have to be on leather pieces

[terse bolt]

rofl at me

[potent pivot]

I’m biting the bullet

[terse bolt]

i was also thinking duskthread tbh

[potent pivot]

And crafting a dagger with Ascension on one of my rogues

To test it

Even though IF its good it’s only good for assa/outlaw

[hidden moth]

i feel like its gonna be weird with vanish reseting it

[potent pivot]

Yeah idk

I think Nahj crafted it on his 2nd rogue

To test

[late pumice]

crafted item quality doesnt matter for pvp ilvl yes?

[potent pivot]

Nope

Can use all r1 mats

[wintry summit]

also, what is other item recommended to be bought for conquest this week? I guess trinket as it gives +900 agi?

[hidden moth]

what pvp talents are rec? duel smoke bomb dismantle? for ass

[potent pivot]

For sub you can buy badge yeah

[surreal barn]

I did, it was worth

[late pumice]

for enchants, is it better to get pure primary stats or the one that has stam on it?

[potent pivot]

Primary stat

And speed

[late pumice]

yessirr

[potent pivot]

Wait on cloak

Dunno if we do leech on cloak or not

[drowsy dagger]

how is assa for pvp

[late pumice]

is pvp stats something we sim like in pve?

I'm very new in the pvp area

[sharp pumice]

what items are people using to get sockets on necks now

[outer sky]

It's really good in 3s and in RBGs but it's kinda blah in 2s

[drowsy dagger]

do we just apply the st rotation from pve to pvp?

[sharp pumice]

ty

[outer sky]

Yeah, the PvE rotation is the highest damage output so do that and fill in all the pvp shit when you need to

[potent pivot]

Can’t sim for PvP no

[hidden moth]

for ass? or diff enchant

[outer sky]

I visited Bratislava once. Nice place. And no don't use that use the main stat one, radiant power because main stat>mastery and the proc rate is much higher on the main stat one

Radiant power is 3 RPPM, mastery enchant is 2 RPPM

And on top of the stats, radiant power also does some up front damage

[hidden moth]

gotcha, and for ass pvp talents is it just control is king, smoke bomb and then homotoxin/dismantle?

[potent pivot]

Bomb/hemo/disarm or cloak

Sometimes tricks talent

As you can tell by my name I will never run that shit

[outer sky]

Lock in smoke bomb then take disarm against melee+hunters (besides BM), cloak talent against other assa rogues, feral druids, and warriors if you want

And I'm a huge supporter of the tricks talent

[hidden moth]

the pined buuld skiped tricks

[outer sky]

Especially now that the CD lines up perfectly with kidney

[drowsy dagger]

got myself some green honor gear and im finally doing some dmg now

[potent pivot]

You swap to it if you run the pvp talent

[potent pivot]

[inland thorn]

Cloak talent into monks is insane

Removes karma

[outer sky]

Yeah....kinda

Idk if I'd say "insane"

Because

They know you have that

So they'll just karma someone else

And then you basically don't have a 3rd pvp talent

[inland thorn]

Do they though...

[outer sky]

Yes

[inland thorn]

Worst case scenario it works on disarm gg

[outer sky]

Yeah there's that at least

Trading cloak for disarm seems kinda scuffed though but sometimes it's worth

[potent pivot]

Just depends if thats their game winning play

Otherwise you just sit it

[outer sky]

Yeah for sure I'm only ever cloaking a disarm if I think doing so wins the game

[late pumice]

hella expensive atm lol

[potent pivot]

you know the new rings aren't unique equip right

[outer sky]

Yep I'm sporting 2 crafted rings right now

[hidden moth]

rip

[potent pivot]

good i'm glad you dropped the 535 ring

[hidden moth]

fixed my name lol

[outer sky]

Only did it because the crafted rings have equal vers and mast as opposed to being vers heavy lol

[potent pivot]

i tried to tell you to craft them

[outer sky]

It's worth it though. You'll be using those weapons for a couple weeks

[potent pivot]

let the testing begin

[late pumice]

I'm still using green pvp weapons atm, I thought maybe buying that when I got the 2 epic pvp weaps from the quest next week will be better?

plus the price surely will drop down

[outer sky]

That's in 2 weeks

[potent pivot]

jesus christ radiant power is 45k now

motherfuck

[late pumice]

oohh not next week?

[outer sky]

Nope

[late pumice]

alrightt

[outer sky]

You need 2500 conq, this week we got 1600 and it increases by 600 each week

So next week we have 2200

[late pumice]

okay I didnt know that, thanks!

[outer sky]

Np

[outer sky]

What are you looking at to judge how well one embellishment performs compared to another?

[potent pivot]

just dmg

there's not really a great way to do it

that's why these things usually take weeks

[terse bolt]

is there any rogue playing FB in pvp?

wondering if

[potent pivot]

FB?

[hidden moth]

tbh, might just run games on one toon, gear the rest with honor gear, and wait to see whats up once conq cap is higher and farmable etc

[outer sky]

Basically all outlaw rogues besides @spring bough

[terse bolt]

fatebound

i am speaking for assa tbh

[potent pivot]

some are, but i suspect that's just testing

[outer sky]

Oh for assa, not many.

I've fucked with it though

What's your question?

[spring bough]

I saw a sin fatebound last night. He only won one round of solo shuffle 😂

[outer sky]

I suspect there was more involved in that than his hero tree

[terse bolt]

lol

imagine thinking you cant win a game if you dont play what everyone else does

FB doesn't sound that bad

and it seems more consistent

[drowsy dagger]

slowly buy surely im getting there

[cyan mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9qiPwm_HK8
Is this gearing guide legit for sub rogue?

[drowsy dagger]

im just following nahj gearing

[potent pivot]

just from looking at the thumbnail no, but ill check it

[wintry summit]

I am assa tho

[drowsy dagger]

@potent pivot what do you think about it?

[outer sky]

Honestly I'd play it but I like the extended rupture and the defensive from deathstalker too much. They could literally remove all of the talents that have anything to do with deathstalkers mark and I would still play deathstalker for those reasons lol

[cyan mural]

Thanks ❤️

[potent pivot]

he doesn't know what he's talking about

off rip

30 seconds in

[cyan mural]

Is ther any solid guide on how to gear for pvp, now with all these crafts (these crafts are done though these working-orders, right?)

[drowsy dagger]

yea

im following Nahj guide on his discord

hes a godlike rogue

[wraith harness]

What's the point of using focus macros when you can just bind 3 buttons for example blind arena 1, blind arena 2 etc. Would it not be better and more efficient than having to swap your focus target around? This in combination with /target arena1, 2, 3 etc.

New to wow pvp in general, never really understood this

[potent pivot]

he says that IceyVeins is wrong because they recommend goggles, because goggles can't be crafted at pvp ilvl

which is false

he also said IV doesn't suggest embellishments, which maybe they didn't at that time or maybe he just didn't read the guide

because they have for a while

but

meh

[orchid plinth]

Oh it's that controller guy I got it recommended some week ago and it felt very eeeeh I don't knoooow

"Is this real life?"

[potent pivot]

arena123 is generally more binds and thus more difficult

you don't need it for 9/10 abilities

also

if you target arena123, THEN CC, it's 2 button presses instead of 1

taking longer

[outer sky]

I'll make this real easy for you. Craft vers/mastery for every slot, play 4 set and ommit the tier gloves, use one vers embellishment and one weapon grip embellishment. Double radiant power weapon enchants. Gem the 5% damage reductions gem and then high mastery low vers gems everywhere else. Agi+stam enchant on legs, chrystaline radiance on chest, speed on wrists, stam on feet, leech on cloak, cursed mastery on rings and use the badge trinket

[orchid plinth]

Focus also translates to PvE (might use mouseover there though) and allows you to have more abilities

[potent pivot]

i mean really

we've gone over gearing 20 times in the past day

you can scroll through and look at a lot of the discussion fr

but there's no abc123 guide, everyone does it a little differently

[orchid plinth]

People need to learn instead of copying

[potent pivot]

it's a lot to learn for a beginner

[cyan mural]

Do you also craft your weapons or at the end use the ones you get from the quest

[outer sky]

Craft weapons too. Better stats

[cyan mural]

Oh man, this crafting is kinda annoying, is it very expensive?

[outer sky]

It's extremely expensive

[potent pivot]

you probably want to wait on weapons

especially if you're newer, just wait for quest weapons

[outer sky]

The ideally geared sub rogue has crafted everything besides his 4 set

And trinkets obv

[drowsy dagger]

pricey

[cyan mural]

So, with the conquest points we get, we should buy trinkets first?

[potent pivot]

shoulders

[outer sky]

No, buy the heraldies to craft

[potent pivot]

what

you don't need to buy any heraldries for sub this week at all

you buy shoulders->catalyst into tier

and buy badge

craft boots+X

[cyan mural]

I got 9 from a random pvp quest

[outer sky]

You're right, because sub actually cares about tier

[potent pivot]

it's the same for assa imo

[outer sky]

Not sold on that

[potent pivot]

shoulders->tier, legs from 1.6k

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

everyone else is rn

[hidden moth]

is the 4 set really not worth? i mean sure u dont get full vers mast but even then

[outer sky]

I say no but I admit it's a minority opinion

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's great tier either but having the tiny amount of crit/haste from it is absolutely fine for assa

[terse bolt]

we are all playing assa here, right guys?

[outer sky]

My argument is that given 4 set has roughly a 60% up time and is nerfed to +5% bleed damage in pvp that you can get more damage by not running 4 set since that let's you have 6.5% more mastery than with tier which is 1.5% more damage than 4 set and is active the whole game not just when it procs

With tier you also get an extra 2% haste and 1% crit

But I'm not convinced that outweighs the consistent damage of all that extra mastery

[potent pivot]

we would end up running some haste or crit on purpose regardless

[outer sky]

The 3 rogue specs are about as well balanced against each other right now as they've ever been. All 3 specs are seeing lots of play

[outer sky]

Buy conq shoulders and turn them into tier. Then when you hit 1600 buy tier legs with the token you get.

[hidden moth]

im going assas simply bc sub and outlaw has so muc hbutton bloat and i dont like symbols for sub

[outer sky]

Outlaw doesn't have much button bloat

Only thing I find clunky about outlaw is Ghostly Strike but I just macro it to BtE

[rain crown]

@potent pivot I think it’s like 1-2 secondaries

Percent

And each added stack can change which one

[potent pivot]

hmm?

[outer sky]

@potent pivot did they ever fix the bug with kingsbane not working with 2 set?

[potent pivot]

not yet no

[tender ember]

u can macro it do dance tbh

[rain crown]

@potent pivot the enchant you linked

[late pumice]

buying a dagger with bloody token and crafting one, is that a good idea?

[tender ember]

id just craft second one with honor heralds, unless the bloody tokens go mastery on it but i doubt

[outer sky]

Buying one is fine but I'd hold off on crafting a 639 one

[outer sky]

Nah it's haste/vers

[potent pivot]

it's 4% mastery

~2.5% crit/haste/vers

[outer sky]

I bought the token one for my main hand because main hand weapon dps is big but I crafted a vers/mastery 626 off hand just because I wanted those stats over the crit/vers honor dagger of the same ilvl

[potent pivot]

it's haste/mast

[outer sky]

The bloody token dagger is haste/mast?

[potent pivot]

isn't it?

[outer sky]

No?

[late pumice]

haste vers

[potent pivot]

vers sry

lmao

[potent pivot]

ascension is basically 25% uptime on 4% mast, 2.5% of all other stats

[outer sky]

Hmmmm

You can only run it on a weapon right?

[potent pivot]

but iirc when you vanish it clears because you drop combat

yeah

it doesn't seem that good ngl

it's only good in pve for longer fight timers

[outer sky]

So itz 25% uptime split between 4 stats

So each stat has about a 6% up time?

[potent pivot]

no

25% per stat

[heady swift]

you could double it with another embellishment i guess but still not worth it..

[potent pivot]

it's 100% uptime (in combat)

takes 8sec to start stacking

[outer sky]

Ok gotcha

[potent pivot]

15sec per stack

[rain crown]

The one that just stacks vers prob better

[potent pivot]

or 8s per stack

15s per stat

[outer sky]

Ehh it doesn't seem that bad. I mean all the embellishments are kinda shit

[potent pivot]

it seems kinda bad

i mean it's not terrible

[outer sky]

The "safe" option, the vers lining, is also shit if we're being honest. 1% vers for 2/3rds of the fight

Like

[potent pivot]

but in pve raid vanish doesn't drop combat

[outer sky]

They're all bad

[potent pivot]

so of course it's bit for them

oh you know what

nvm

vanish clears it for sure

it just lingers for it's buff time

then starts restacking from 0

[rain crown]

I tested out the magic dmg one pre season also and it was doing like 1 percent damage

All the embellishments seem bad

[potent pivot]

yeah i think all of them are just bad

[outer sky]

That's actually such a cuck for us because after we vanish is when we most want the extra damage lol

[potent pivot]

but i'd rather have versa than this thing, at first glance

[rain crown]

II couldn’t even get the grenade thing to proc once

I saw someone using the drop bombs when you are below X health

And the tooltip dmg was like 400k which isn’t terrible

[outer sky]

Has anyone tested the embellishment that gives you a shield when you drop below a certain %?

Maybe that's worth it idk

All of these other ones are so awful

[rain crown]

I just assumed any shield is mega nerfed

[potent pivot]

wowhead says soothing darkness is nerfed to .3333 in pvp btw

the talent tooltip shows 8% in pvp but the buff shows 5% iirc?

[outer sky]

Buff showed 5% every 2s, talent itself showed 8%

But that's more than a .3333 nerf

That's half

[potent pivot]

.3333% nerf is 5%

it's nerfed to .3333

not nerfed BY

mb

[outer sky]

Ok but if in PvE it's 15% and in PvP it's 8%

Yeah lol

[potent pivot]

the buff shows 5% though

[outer sky]

Correct

[potent pivot]

that's .333

[outer sky]

It shows 5% every 2s for 6s

That's 15%

Full pve value

[potent pivot]

then why tf does it say 8%

this game's tooltips are so fucked or what

[outer sky]

Combat stam still shows 36% for me in arena

Also Wowhead is wrong so often I almost don't even consider it a reliable source anymore

According to wowhead monks can't karma when they're disarmed

[potent pivot]

the pvp multipliers are usually correct

IF it shows a pvp multiplier

it's usually right

sometimes they aren't reported though

[outer sky]

Well in this case the talent tooltip shows it's nerfed by 50% in pvp and the actual buff you get doesn't show a nerf at all

This has been one of the most scuffed xpac launches I've seen

Maybe the most scuffed

Tons of bugs that haven't been fixed

Inconsistencies

Bad tooltips

[potent pivot]

i feel like it's always like this lmao

[outer sky]

It's always a little scuffed but this seems over the top

[tender ember]

shouldnt draconic concquest boxes turn into garbane that sells 400g @ vendor?

[wise breach]

I'm going to try it, but it apparently requires having at least one gem socketed before it works, and I don't have enough honor yet, lol

[candid tide]

do we get more damage from a talent after blades expires?

[wise breach]

In any case it's not that good, tooltip is 445k shield when dropping below 30%, 4min cd reduced by 12s for each gem color socketed

Doesn't seem to be reduced in PvP per tooltip at least

[outer sky]

Lingering darkness

Deathstalker hero tree

Choice node with symbolic victory

[candid tide]

aye lemme have a check

[outer sky]

I'm sure I'm over simplifying things but most, if not all of this was reported as being bugged on the beta. So why wouldn't it be fixed before the release. Especially things as simple as incorrect tooltips. That can't possibly take much time or effort for the devs to fix

[candid tide]

omggoooodness

thats why whaazz opens with blades first for few secs

and then decides to dance on a target

insane talent

[radiant glen]

the value of lingering darkness isnt enough to let blades fall entirely in your opener
he's likely just waiting for the theif's bargan penalty to wear off (6 sec)

[cyan mural]

I mean probably, but it also depends on how much the person who is responsible for the tooltip is also working on other stuff. And tooltips are probably super low priority. There will not be a person who is just doing tooltip.

[candid tide]

i see i see, good info

well he doesnt let it fall of entirely

but he sits on blades for like 8 secs in the opener at times or more

[cyan mural]

And Hero talents, like, from the outside, looks like they struggled with that a lot 🤷‍♂️

[candid tide]

then decides to dance on a window

[radiant glen]

the penalty is about 6 sec long so

8 sec not unreasonable

[candid tide]

yeah but what if he runs dismantle

nvm maybe ur right

i asked him yesterday but he answered so quick

couldnt hear shit

[potent pivot]

most likely time constraint things

stuff like a tooltip being bugged is probably very low on the fix list if the abilities are working as intended

[burnt pendant]

anyone know how we’re gonna get our next two tier pieces from strictly pvping?

[potent pivot]

from catalysting conquest gear

[burnt pendant]

okay. i had one of the things to convert a piece to tier, no idea what i got it from

[outer sky]

You get 1 every week

Automatically

[burnt pendant]

based

[candid tide]

thanks! is this the one that keeps focus frame on with shadow dueling?

[burnt pendant]

no

it’s so you don’t drop target when you duel

[candid tide]

shit it drops the target too..

didnt noticed that since was too focused all over the place lol

[candid tide]

is focus frame suppose to clear out when shadow dueling normally?

[tender ember]

any1?

[loud ember]

anyone run cold blood kingsbane for 2s?

[surreal barn]

Is the 4 piece half the time too or still 7 seconds

[outer sky]

So sick of this SoB at the auction house telling me how he "calibrated his prices to be reasonable" when we all know damn well these prices are NOT reasonable and that he aint even in charge of them

[orchid plinth]

I'm not at my PC but you can try by use... Pressing Shadowy Duel normally.

But I believe it drops it because other enemies that the dueled one disappears.

[candid tide]

yeah make sense mechanical wise

guess have to refocus right quick after

[low stirrup]

if im reading the supercharge thing right does this mean we get to go silly mode and pop 19 point secret technique on someone

[hidden moth]

so the ass build linked in pins takes crimson tempest, when do we use that? aoe only

st if its a dk with a fuckton of pets to boost the st damage done to dk

[potent pivot]

on 2+ yeah

but yes to the last part as well

[potent pivot]

huh? no

[hidden moth]

gotcha

death mark doesnt dup chrim temp ye

[potent pivot]

nop

[stoic spruce]

I wish dwarves were real 😕

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Need me a dwarf with a Scottish accent to call me laddie frfr

[low stirrup]

i mean if we go
shiv > symbol > symbol
that charges six points doesnt it.
7+(2*6) = 19

[potent pivot]

it's shiv for assa

[low stirrup]

ohhh

its only symbols for sin then

er

sub

thats so sad.

we can only hit the 15 point ST

[potent pivot]

i don't think it stacks like you're thinking

[rain crown]

@potent pivot what’s the prio on multi target for combo point spending

Rupture multiple targets

Or ct

[potent pivot]

both

try to garrote/rupture aoe with IC from stealth as much as you can

but its just kinda situational

[hidden moth]

what gem do we run? on as

[potent pivot]

the stun dmg reduction

enduring

[hidden moth]

ah

and thats 5% dr if im slowed

where is the list for all the gem effects

[abstract breach]

Can you cap a base on blitz bg with full combo kidney? And what about blind?

[hidden moth]

yes and yes

and sap

cap time is 4 seconds

[abstract breach]

Nice, if I have dots on them and blind them, do the dots stay and break it?

[peak jolt]

Can anyone give me the quick explanation for embellishments? Skipped DF 😅

[hidden moth]

when u craft a piece of gear with the new crafting system u can add things to it, it makes it harder to craft the piece. embelishments are items u can add that do special effects

max 2 embelishments

basically 2 enchants that can only be used on crafted items

[peak jolt]

I see. I guess this"Woven Duskthread" is our best one?

And just craft pieces that give vers/mast for the pieces that don't have mastery

[hidden moth]

if i wanted to craft boots i would go to the crafting order lady, search the boots and collect the mats here. it takes 4 competitors heraldry which u get 9 for free with a quest. i would put a duskthread lining in the embelishment slot and a algari missive of the harmonious so the stats are guarunteed to be vers mast

basically yea

[peak jolt]

Sounds expensive?

[hidden moth]

in commision the higher the tip the faster it goes, or u can find someone in trade chat. just say "lf crafter (link item)" they whisper u and u send it as a personal order to them

cheaper that way

[peak jolt]

What I don't understand: Would you want crafted gear with embelishments instead of conquest gear?

[outer sky]

Im tryna make lingering darkness be good but it just isnt happening

[hidden moth]

bc as a crafter i can only craft a certain amount of work orders for randoms a day but infinite amount of personal orders

[peak jolt]

I see. How much could they possibly want for this? xD

[hidden moth]

u can only have 2 embelishments

500g a pop lol

[peak jolt]

I see. Nice

[hidden moth]

u can be cheap af with personal orders ngl, esp since quality of the craft doesnt matter

[peak jolt]

ah, lol. So mats are the cost

[drowsy dagger]

https://youtu.be/PvwUsAyJWyg?t=538 how true is that opener rotation?

[peak jolt]

Yeah, it all scales up anyway in arena, right?

[hidden moth]

if quality matters, then it will be more esp if they need to use their inspiration to make it higher quality but thats only for pve

[drowsy dagger]

how the freak you are pressing dance tea badge and cheap shot so fast

[hidden moth]

basically

[hidden moth]

dance tea and badge all off gcd, make a macro

[drowsy dagger]

just /cast ?

[hidden moth]

#showtooltip w/e
/cast shadowdance
/cast thistle tea
/use badge

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use Verdant Aspirant's Badge of Ferocity
for example

[peak jolt]

But! Conquest gear = more pvp ilvl than crafted gear? or?

[hidden moth]

no

with the item u get from the random quest drop

[peak jolt]

Heraldry thing?

[hidden moth]

u use those to boost the pvp illv of the craft so its not dog water

ye those

[peak jolt]

ah, interesting.

[hidden moth]

u get 9 free, depending on the piece its multipul ex helm is 5 and boots are 4

u can buy more but those take conq

[potent pivot]

what are these macros bro

you should not macro anything to dance really

[hidden moth]

its the new thing instead of the free start of season "have a free crafted chest/pant helm and a crafted boot bracer belt

i got those off sub vids in df

lol

[peak jolt]

I see Nahj bought 2 rings, head and gloves 🤔

[potent pivot]

what

no

[peak jolt]

Am I mistaken?

oh, maybe it's a mix of conq gear and crafted gear

Boots and gloves are crafted

Nvm, I don't understand what he has bought or not 😅

[abstract breach]

if I crafted the item with 1/2 embellishments, can I recraft it with the one that's missing?

[hidden moth]

1 embelishment per item

and yes

if u make it no embelish u can recraft and add on or change it

[potent pivot]

algari=crafted

[peak jolt]

Oh, so you can craft gear that is better than honor gear atm but gets replaced by conq in the long run? Minus the embelishment slots

[potent pivot]

blue=honor heraldry crafted

purple=conq heraldy crafted

[loud ember]

best craft is better than conq in ilvl

[peak jolt]

Oh, Blizzard.......................................... Why can't it ever just be honor or conq gear

[potent pivot]

whattttttttttttt

[potent pivot]

what are we even saying right now

????

no gear is better than conq ilvl

none

zero

[loud ember]

i was looking at the increased ilvl in pvp

i said in ilvl

[potent pivot]

what

[hidden moth]

conq gear 639, crafted gear 639 if crafted with the items purchased with conquest bloody token gear 636, honor gear 626

[loud ember]

look at my pics

[potent pivot]

this

conq gear is highest ilvl

639

[candid tide]

dang lets check this out

[peak jolt]

Oh. So if I wanted to, I could just not craft anything (except embelishments ofc) and gather my conq set and be happy later

[potent pivot]

no

[peak jolt]

No?

[potent pivot]

you need to craft

[peak jolt]

Rip

[hidden moth]

u need to craft 2 pieces for embelish

[candid tide]

wtf he doesnt even cheap right of the bat

[potent pivot]

you get 9 free heraldries from winning a game

[hidden moth]

but u get those crafted items free of conq cost

bc of a quest

[peak jolt]

Sorry, this is kind of confusing for me 😅 So I can craft embelishment items and use heraldry to upgrade those to 636 with no conq cost. Then I get the rest of my items from conq + the free weps at week 2 (or 3?). And then I turn big pieces into tier pieces for set bonus? Am I getting this right?

[potent pivot]

639

week3

[drowsy dagger]

should you?

[potent pivot]

this week you buy shoulders and turn into tier

[peak jolt]

Oh right, that gear is 639 same as conq

[hidden moth]

639 no conq cost

[potent pivot]

you get a tier token from hitting 1.6k which you use to buy legs

[candid tide]

lemme watch the entire video

[peak jolt]

Smart, gotcha.

[potent pivot]

you use wpvp bloody tokens for belt/cloak 636

replace any not vers/mast honor pieces with blue crafted honor gear

from blue heraldries

buy sockets

socket something

with enduring gem

it's really kinda simple

[rancid mist]

Question about Assa in pvp: the pvp talents. Is there a set you'll always take, or do you swap depending on the opponent (arena, specifically) so like Dismantle for Warriors, etc?

[outer sky]

probably worth it to replace even the vers/mast ones since those are heavy on the vers side eh?

[peak jolt]

I see. Thanks for the tips ^^

[potent pivot]

not really no

especially not this week i wouldn't worry about that at all

[outer sky]

whats the harm?

[potent pivot]

honor needs to go to replacing crit and getting Enduring gem

[potent pivot]

bro

not everyone is sweaty

[peak jolt]

I did get my bloody tokens yesterday, I'll see if I can't get this here list done later 🤔 or tommorow or whatever

[potent pivot]

they're going to replace those pieces regardless

[outer sky]

Im just sayin' lol it takes like 10 minutes

[potent pivot]

it's not a must

it's not even a priority rn

[peak jolt]

I'm probably not gonna craft the dagger though. Just gonna wait for week 3 xD

[fickle grove]

yo @potent pivot sry for ping but

[potent pivot]

trading 200vers for mastery is a waste of time

rn

[fickle grove]

got the quest thing on 1st bg win lmao

[potent pivot]

yeah ik

[outer sky]

I know a guy who took almost 20 games to get his

[candid tide]

it seems like verse is the bis stats for sub

[outer sky]

Mastery

[fickle grove]

high key fucked

[fickle grove]

this is blizzard paying me back

[peak jolt]

What are the ideal slots for embelishments though?

[fickle grove]

for my 97 hov runs in df s1

for a single fucking trinket

[potent pivot]

can we not relink the same stuff over and over

[outer sky]

I dont think the slot matters, does it?

[peak jolt]

I guess if the slot doesn't have vers/mast?

[potent pivot]

takes up the entire chat

[outer sky]

I put one on my belt

[candid tide]

aye trust

[potent pivot]

the duskthread has to go on a leather piece

[outer sky]

maybe belt/hands?

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter which just do something you won't replace

if you craft blue heraldry piece, you can recraft that into purple later

and the embellishment carries over

[outer sky]

so really any crafted piece should do

[chrome schooner]

deathstalker combat bug is starting to be annoying really quickly with the amount of combat bugs in this game

[potent pivot]

any piece that isn't tier

[candid tide]

remember to rupture targets guys, it does super dmg now

[indigo lava]

Greetings

How can i manage the conquest items ? Which one do i need to craft ?

[candid tide]

i send a screesnshot of kalvish gearing little up the chat

scroll up a lil

[indigo lava]

Thanks 👌

[potent pivot]

screwed me once this morning as well

[chrome schooner]

I'm actually considering just playing fatebound to be allowed to use stealth

[potent pivot]

which embellishments did you end up deciding to try?

[chrome schooner]

just the versa ones for now

it can easily be changed anyway

i'm just a bit disappointed about how assa feels

[potent pivot]

i'm testing Ascension/Double Nerubian atm

[chrome schooner]

it's ... very lacking

[potent pivot]

yeah i agree

compared to sub/outlaw

it isn't bad, but definitely does not feel as insane

[chrome schooner]

It does feel somewhat bad to be fair

People who play good easily do the same overall damage

Because you spend so much timerunning around since most specs have more mobility, you don't have a frequent stun anymore, and no extra range

so you're just ... here

[abstract breach]

What would you guys say feels the best for 1v1s and playing blitz objectives? I am new and Assa has been feeling fine and relatively easy to play

[tight veldt]

Honestly, I thought I was going crazy in 3s yesterday so glad to see others with the same opinion. Feel like I'm running g all over trying to upkeep bleeds.

Forget about jt if there's a DK or frost Mage too

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

ok i updated the faq

but i am fried atm so let me know if you see anything weird or incorrect

[outer sky]

Based on our previous conversation, enchants are wrong

It says use speed on everything

You were saying use leech on cloak and stam on boots

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

i never specified to use stam on boots

i thought?

[outer sky]

^

[potent pivot]

holy god i am fried

good catch

idk for sure if we go leech on cloak but it has to be better than 1% speed

it feels like there's no world the leech isn't better no?

[spring bough]

That leach on cloak heals outta combat

Could be clutch

[potent pivot]

yeah

lot of people have been buying bandages too

[spring bough]

Imagine living winning 1% health cause I got that cloak

Bandages OP too

Since when can we use bandages in rated?

Pirate healed me with one the other day healed me for like 80% of my health

[peak jolt]

Does anyone know if enchants scale up in arena as well? Or do I have to buy the 3rd lvl enchants?

[formal crystal]

what stats do we prio as outlaw rouges here

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

enchants must be r3

[lime oar]

Bandages in rated??

[peak jolt]

rip. Thanks though

[potent pivot]

idk i haven't tried, just know everyone's been buying and talking about them

[formal crystal]

tyvm

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[quaint cedar]

Catching up on chat here, is it true that depths enchant was stealth nerfed? Can anyone confirm?

[potent pivot]

no one really has a way to confirm that

it's not doing as much damage as it was on beta, that's all we know

[quaint cedar]

Is it not worth getting for outlaw then?

[potent pivot]

[quaint cedar]

lol fair enough

[potent pivot]

i definitely wouldn't buy it right now

[proven kayak]

man i like wow but queues made me to dorp it every time

[potent pivot]

it's too expensive for something that isn't a sure thing

[quaint cedar]

What's another good wep enchant then? There was another one I was using on beta but I forgot what it was called

[potent pivot]

radiant power

it's even more expensive rn

lmao

[quaint cedar]

Yeah that's it

Aww shit lol

[potent pivot]

well for me radiant is 43k, depths is 46k

they swapped around again

[quaint cedar]

Wonder how long I can get away with not having enchants. They are so expensive rn

[potent pivot]

some people haven't even bought weapons yet

you're fine

[quaint cedar]

Yeah true

I refuse to enchant honor gear at these prices

[blazing copper]

perhaps im dumb but

why cant i put the purple one

unless i need more than one?

how many do i need exactly lol

[potent pivot]

5

[quaint cedar]

Tricks what's your opinion on a second tier piece for outlaw? I got chest with my 1600 token. Shoulders are vers/mast and gloves are haste/crit. I don't want the mastery on shoulders but I also don't like that gloves have no vers. And set is dogshit anyways.

[fallen scaffold]

are we thinkign assa is going 4pc

[potent pivot]

prob gloves

[blazing copper]

Jesus

[potent pivot]

but yeah set is dogshit

[potent pivot]

you get 9 for free...

[potent pivot]

atm yeah

[blazing copper]

hm?

[potent pivot]

play the game

[blazing copper]

I got 8 green ones

[potent pivot]

you will get a quest that gives 9 purple

win a bg

[potent pivot]

same, i'm recrafting some pieces with blue heraldries to enchant/socket

[blazing copper]

Aite, not sure i see the quest but ok, thanks

[potent pivot]

you're not going to see it. it automatically pops up after winning some games.

most people have said 1 BG win or 4-6 arena wins and they got the quest

[dull bridge]

i went glove + chest

[quaint cedar]

Oh yeah good idea. You can recraft them later to conquest level and keep the enchant. I didn't think of that

[blazing copper]

I see palumor and kalvish are both on fatebound on assa

[potent pivot]

ye

[fallen scaffold]

alota ppl are for some erason

[potent pivot]

i haven't seen kalvish queue a single assa game

[blazing copper]

meta

[outer sky]

Most people agree outlaw doesn't run 4 set right?

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I wasn't planning to

[dull bridge]

it looks pretty bad

[outer sky]

Honestly 2 set does such little damage I wonder if that's even worth it

[quaint cedar]

Loses way too many stats and it's pretty shit

[outer sky]

Crit/vers on the chest is a freebie

Then what

[quaint cedar]

I think even in pve it's a very minimal increase, like 3% or something, and in pvp it's 50% effective

[potent pivot]

not even

it's like 1.5% in pve or something

[quaint cedar]

Yeah I got chest and then was trying to decide between gloves or shoulders

[potent pivot]

where are you even seeing this

[quaint cedar]

Oof that's even worse. Is that 2set and 4set combined?

[potent pivot]

iirc yeah

[blazing copper]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/deathwing/palumor

[outer sky]

Maybe we just don't run any tier?

[quaint cedar]

Wow that's awful

[potent pivot]

so... he logged out as it. that doesn't mean anything

[blazing copper]

perhaps, i saw the same w kalvish

idk

[quaint cedar]

Yeah idk maybe I just keep chest and not turn any other pieces to tier

[potent pivot]

probably testing

[outer sky]

Because the only piece besides the chest that has vers on it are the shoulders

And it's vers/mast

And mastery is dogshit for outlaw

[quaint cedar]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

you should not put any stock into what people have on their armory for a couple weeks

wait until it's all figured out

[spring bough]

It does anywhere from top 3 overall to about top 8 overall for me. Varies from round to round in solo

I have a R3+R2

[potent pivot]

it isn't dogshit

it isn't the best, but it isn't dogshit

[quaint cedar]

When have you last played? Starlink was saying it may have been stealth nerfed last night

[spring bough]

Last night

[quaint cedar]

His was doing no dam

[outer sky]

I'm running a jacked mastery outlaw build out of necessity, with mastery engi goggles and bracers and all and it's still not doing shit for damage

[lusty tiger]

anyone know how to get teaa totem nameplates to work again?

I see pikaboo's is working but mine isnt

[potent pivot]

it should be around your top 5 dmg if you're getting proper uptime

[loud ember]

what gems we using when we got the reduce CC gem already

[loud ember]

vers mast or straight mastery?

[spring bough]

That was last night

[outer sky]

Mastery>vers

[potent pivot]

yeah it should be doing more than that if you're in full mast gear

[quaint cedar]

Oh hey @spring bough I was looking at your char yesterday for gear lol

[spring bough]

I went up to 33% mastery last night with 27% verse and like 31% haste. MG crit for 195k avg crit was like 115k

[quaint cedar]

Didn't know that was you

[spring bough]

MG going nuts lol

[loud ember]

i meant what gem we using

[outer sky]

I ran 3 lobbies as outlaw and this was pretty consistently what it was doing

[potent pivot]

idk what to tell you

[outer sky]

I forgot what it's called but whichever one gives you a lot of mastery and a little vers

[loud ember]

aight

[outer sky]

Don't run a single stat gem. It's less stats

[loud ember]

fair

[spring bough]

I’ve found that with the same mastery % playing back to back games as fate then trickster. MG somehow procs more as trickster lol

Idk if there’s a reason maybe the no parry

[outer sky]

I wish they'd just redesign outlaw mastery

It's such a shit effect

[spring bough]

Pirate and I were doing games as trick/fate and he would out damage me almost every game unless fatecoin tails went nuts

[quaint cedar]

Isn't KS able to proc mastery with each hit? Maybe that's why

[spring bough]

Yeah KS procs MG

[outer sky]

I think everything can proc it

[spring bough]

Unseen blades does too

It hits a lot MG that is

[quaint cedar]

I thought pistol abilities still didn't but I'm not positive

[spring bough]

Idk if I can go full mastery tho. Keeping 25% haste stealthed has been amazing

[outer sky]

I don't see any reason to

I'd run 10-15% haste and then stack crit

[grave basin]

man people have already almost 200 rounds queued into shuffle

as dps

on the 2nd day of the season

what in the fuq

[outer sky]

I have like 110

[spring bough]

I keep playing with either doing 31% verse with 23-24% mastery or 27% verse with 33% mastery. Idk what one to settle on

With the same haste for both

[candid tide]

does deathmark reapply to diff targets if we shadowdance strike another target? or both gets deathstalker mark?

[outer sky]

Or whatever the closest multiple of 6 is