pvp

[spring bough]

Ima try it later but I think trolling lol

Seems like that build would work better w trick cause KS w fatebound is messy

[austere thorn]

GSW no crackshot full mastery gear

He cookin?

[spring bough]

GSW can crit for like 700k plus

For one of the three hits

So if it all crits over a million

[halcyon timber]

That’s solid

[waxen meteor]

btw, the conquest weapon mission

[spring bough]

I get CCd 8/10 crack windows too

[waxen meteor]

if i took the mission with sin, can i get outlaw weapon when i return the mission

[spring bough]

So he might be cooking idk

[halcyon timber]

Swap rq and see if the reward changes maybe (tooltip change)

[waxen meteor]

will try later

it feels the conquest weapon is not bis anyway for sin/sub

will grab law ones

[hexed blaze]

insignia is probably a good default secondary trinket right?

[waxen meteor]

this one?

[waxen meteor]

yeah it's okay

overall i think for sin/sub we prefer crit > haste

for sin, in DF we play around KB, which is 1min cd, perfectly aligned with manual trinket, so manual trinket is just obviously better

now for sin, since we might be moving away from kb, playing with automatic trinket can be alright i guess

[warped gate]

I used that Sap macro and man, it wigged out on me.

[hexed blaze]

yea hmm

[warped gate]

I’d go to Sap the healer that I targeted and it’d hit someone else.

[waxen meteor]

i feel the flat haste just does nothing

[hexed blaze]

this or head i cannot decide

[waxen meteor]

doesn't make a day and night difference

my opinion is 1% haste does literally nothing

you waste the flat stat completely there

but on the other hand, if you don't use the manual effect, then the trigger effect from manual trinket is wasted...

[candid tide]

man fk a123 XD fk that shit man uneccesary fr

[hexed blaze]

yea but more sustained dmg outside of bursting several procs of 5.5k agility or a guaranteed proc on 1min cd

[steep kiln]

anyone craft the engi goggles?

[last jasper]

sub? only badge

[warped gate]

If you do, do you get to put a regular gem in it too with the Vicious thing?

[steep kiln]

Not sure. I'm already engi and have some of the mats so was debating on making it but

to get 636 seems expensive

[orchid temple]

is it usually recommended to get good with assa before sub?

[spring bough]

I should have the bracers in the mail when I get on. Do the tinker slots work in rated??

[candid tide]

if u can play sub assa get easier

[warped gate]

Fam, I have no idea.

This place is like the Wild West compared to the Monk Discord.

Can we PLEEEAAASE get class specific Discords?

[spring bough]

Monks have a discord?

I thought they just punched things

[hexed blaze]

Im playing sin

just went with it

[warped gate]

Even the Brewmasters have their own category there.

No one plays that in PvP.

[lime oar]

so you want a pvp subcategory for every spec

[waxen meteor]

i think we are really good compare to most classes lol

like in pally and priest, it's kinda really goofy

when healer/dps are in same pvp channel....

lots of times, it's like after 10 mins, people went, oh you are ret?

[candid tide]

do we go mm or survival if vs 2 hunters in solo q?

[waxen meteor]

mm

[candid tide]

aye

man they got some tanky stuff going on

2x too

[waxen meteor]

mm burst, and also more importantly you can have more chances to cleave

[sweet swallow]

this gear shit seems so complicated 😭

like i can craft something, i can buy something an upgrade it, or i can just get it with honor? and then there's tier pieces later??

[orchid temple]

am i good to go on this? if i look at nahj's armory for example his dagger shows as +423 mast/vers

faq said blessed weapon grip, is that still right?

also wondering if the bronze mats are def fine (i bought gold enchant)

@potent pivot

[harsh vapor]

what is stat priority for assassination rogue in pvp

[waxen meteor]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[harsh vapor]

thank you 🙂

[proven kayak]

so whats the drll with gearing up do we have clear map

i see choices kinda vary

[rain crown]

Every single class discord is the same messages

[candid tide]

man why when we shadow duel our target our focus gets cleared out

annoying

[proven kayak]

yeah i know

fuck it i will just do my stuff

[orchid temple]

hey @waxen meteor mind checking this?

[proven kayak]

is forged glad quest only frm rateD?

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure i am using it

[orchid temple]

as in not taking the dag?

[warped gate]

YES.

[gilded gulch]

someone said they got it from skirm

got mine from blitz

[candid tide]

dude whaazz play the game totally diff than like nahj

or pikaboo

hes is too on point

[safe pelican]

Bugged need macro to fix it

[candid tide]

fix pls

[safe pelican]

I’ll send it you @ me in 30 minutes I’m otw home from work I’ll get on when i get home

[rain crown]

@candid tide I swear whazz is like 3 steps ahead of every player on the screen

[candid tide]

oh fantastic

tyvm

[candid tide]

oh shit fr fr, thats so facts

[orchid temple]

can anyone help with this pls? i see nahj/whaazz have 603 ilvl dagger, am i missing something mine shows as 597

[candid tide]

yo if u watch nahj or pikaboo play its still very skillfull, but u kinda still can follow abit

when whaazz plays its like dbz teleportation

so fast

[rain crown]

Yea it’s nuts

[pale storm]

Please DM me the duel macro that keeps focus 🙏🏽

[orchid temple]

can you also send to me pls ❤️

[proven kayak]

i got it frm skirmish aswell

[last jasper]

R click on an arena frame?

[heady swift]

its just ingame ilvl it will scale to 639 when pvping... it doesnt matter

[last jasper]

It shows pve item level. PvP ilvl is 639

[orchid temple]

yeah i see the pvp ilvl is the same i just didn't know if the pve difference meant anything, ty

[last jasper]

It means. For pve

[orchid temple]

but i mean idk how there is a diff, i also just tried with all gold mats and same difference

[steep kiln]

They prob used t3 mats then i believe is the only difference. padding that ilvl outside arena

[orchid temple]

mine is 597 theirs show as 603 on armory

mm i thought that but i also tried with t3 mats just now @steep kiln

[last jasper]

Crafter proc. You don’t need gold mats

[steep kiln]

there ya go

[heady swift]

All the crafting materials can be R1, all the embellishments can be R1, missives can be R1, enchants and gem rank matters. That's it

[pliant spoke]

maybe im missing something but if r1 on all crafting materials do not matter, why is there a r3?

[last jasper]

For pve

[orchid temple]

final q for dagger, did you take blessed weapon grip? @heady swift @last jasper @steep kiln

[sharp sierra]

does deathstalker not apply for sin?

[steep kiln]

it's def a bit confusing. i have four r1 rogues armory open rn and they all did something a bit different than the other. guess that's a good thing though in blizz perspective. two took the blessing and two didn't

[sharp sierra]

dome reason not marking my targets

[last jasper]

No. Ppl said double vers lining is better

[steep kiln]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/eu/stormscale/rãz https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/tmpikaboo both went dagger embel

while nahj and whaazz didn't

[orchid temple]

Darkmoon Sigil: Vivacity

[steep kiln]

but like egoist said double vers lining may be better, think that's what the icy veins guide says too. could be not that big of a deal tbh idk though

[orchid temple]

is Darkmoon Sigil: Vivacity the "vers lining" ?

[heady swift]

Its not this is; https://www.wowhead.com/item=222873/duskthread-lining

The vivaciousness is the darkmoon vivacity one you just typed

[orchid temple]

oh i see, so raz/pika went with Darkmoon Sigil: Vivacity

so ppl putting Duskthread Lining on boots + ?

and no embellish on dagger?

[pale storm]

He was saying he had a macro that doesn’t lose your focus when you shadowy duel, I know you can right click, but would be clutch if when you come out of duel your focus is still there

[heady swift]

The darkmoon one is for weapons yes, the duskthread one is for armour pieces

[last jasper]

Pretty sure you still need to click it when out of duel. Same as a click on a frame.

[proven kayak]

does it matter if weapon has poor materials ?

like grade 2 ?

[worthy crag]

does not matter

[proven kayak]

ty

[drowsy dagger]

dude im having a such a hard time making keybinds for sub rogue

[orchid temple]

dm me if you want i'm trying to work through it too

[drowsy dagger]

i just dont know where to put anything lol, people on youtube play to differently from eachother and like i haave no idea what ot put on stealth what to put outside of stealth

just want a simple and easy loadout

[proven kayak]

30k for an enchnat is crazy

[rain crown]

@sharp sierra need to ambush

[jaunty spear]

i got ripped for 500k already only for ring and necklace sockets + enchants

[orchid plinth]

I use

#showtooltip Shadowy Duel
/focus
/cast Shadowy Duel
/target focus
/targetlasttarget [noharm]
/clearfocus

It instantly targets the target you Shadowy Duel

[jaunty spear]

is there any viable Outlaw trickster build with focus on dispatch? like KIR or sum for pvp?

[worthy crag]

what exactly is the quest that rewards the heraldry stuff

I got it but I dont remember where from

[spring bough]

For KIR you’ll need prob 18% haste unbuffed at pvp ilvl. That’s out of stealth too

[last jasper]

From any PvP win

[heady swift]

seems to be 4 arena wins and/or 1 bg win

[worthy crag]

ah

[heady swift]

Tested some stuff out regarding the https://www.wowhead.com/item=222873/duskthread-lining and the https://www.wowhead.com/spell=444195/darkmoon-sigil-vivacity. Basically almost every burst you get a proc from the darkmoon one giving speed (182) and vers (735) for some reason i dont seem to get any other secondary stat procs. So its just a matter if you want flat vers above 80% health or a 15 second buff that when procs gives similar vers plus speed.

whether or not the darkmoon embellishment suppose to give versa buffs only, no idea..

It seems like because Rogue (sub) uses multiple schools of magic... you are guaranteed a vers buff + avoidance/speed. Also seems to proc a lot of melee for some reason which is physical and gives versatility and speed hmmm. This is a weird one imo

Double Duskthread vs Duskthread + Darkmoon is probably really close

[spring bough]

Thread gives me about 75% uptime in rated matches which is 🔥

Gonna swap my wep grip out and get another thread when I can. 1500 verse for 75% uptimes pretty good lol

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t. Lingering has the opposite effect

[bleak slate]

What embellishments are you guys thinking for assassination?

[proven kayak]

ppl just refuse to crafat the dagger for 3k crazy

[potent pivot]

For rn just double duskthread prob

[heady swift]

Yea from testing you can say the Duskthread will have more uptime in "regular" pvp scenarios vs the Darkmoon sigil of vivacity

[bleak slate]

Dope. Boots and anything else’s

[spring bough]

any1 know if this tinker socked heartseeking will work in rated?

4.6mil healing if it does on its proc

[potent pivot]

Usually those are disabled in arena

[spring bough]

bout to find out lol

if this slipped thru gonna be good

[potent pivot]

You only craft dagger if you’re going to try hard the next 2 weeks, if not then I’d wait for daggers from quest

[spring bough]

R2 depths enchant just did my 2nd overall dmg behind flurry lol

and then next round it did my 8th overall lol

[worthy crag]

sounds like unreliable rng

[potent pivot]

Nice let’s add more rng to outlaw

[worthy crag]

i guess different match length too?

[potent pivot]

May as well play fatebound

[outer sky]

alright boys and girls

I'm the #8 assa rogue in the world

[spring bough]

rocking 27 haste 27 vers in stealth with a nice 23 mastery lol

[outer sky]

I'm gunna milk this shit for as long as possible

whos got questions

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

#2 outlaw

fwm

[lucid citrus]

Im having no luck of finding a BS to craft the dagger lol

[spring bough]

rank two depths for a solo lobby

[proven kayak]

same

[spring bough]

Tinker healing socket doesn’t work in arena wimp womp

[surreal barn]

I can look up who crafted mine on tich if you want

[potent pivot]

just make a public order with a decent tip

[surreal barn]

Or that - I tip 5k and they swarm in

[proven kayak]

I tipped 3k got it after bg

Bro all enchants are so expensive

[outer sky]

welcome to the start of a new xpac

[spring bough]

Solod a ret and BM who tried to take ruins lol

[proven kayak]

Ye I know still crazy

[spring bough]

500 bloody token WQ is up in ringing deeps

[orchid temple]

thanks. i don't plan to go hard over these initial weeks so i won't grab dag. which pieces would you craft instead?

[alpine tinsel]

bless you

I was dumb and got my wpvp belt first and have been short a piece lol

[potent pivot]

probably boots/hands, pieces you won't turn into tier or pieces that you don't already have 626 vers/mast (for sub/assa)

[potent pivot]

wdym?

[outer sky]

Still not sold on running tier as assa....

[potent pivot]

i wasn't either but all the r1s are saying they're going for it that i've seen

crit and haste are fine on assa

[outer sky]

Did they give an explaination as to why? Right now the math doesnt check out

[potent pivot]

that is why

[outer sky]

you get 2% haste and 1% crit for running tier and 6.5% less mastery

[alpine tinsel]

I ended up with 400 something BTs after buying the belt after doing sparks quest, I saw people were buying two pieces I thought?

[potent pivot]

assa just isn't sub man, it gets value from other stats

[outer sky]

so you get 1.5% more bleed damage by not running tier

[potent pivot]

you should be able to buy belt/cloak

[outer sky]

plus 2% haste and 1% crit

from tier

but tier has an up time of 60% roughly

whereas your stats are up 100%

so i just dont see the argument for running tier

2% haste and 1% crit cant be that good that it's worth doing 6% less damage for over 1/3rd of the game

[potent pivot]

just telling you what everyone is going to do man

[alpine tinsel]

hm Idk whats wrong then, the math aint mathin but I'm also a smoothbrain

[potent pivot]

if all of the r1s push tier set, legit everyone else is going to as well

nothing we can do about it at that point lol

[outer sky]

I understand that but I need the numbers to make sense for me to do it. Bad ideas are popular all the time

[potent pivot]

you should do whatever you thinks best for you

[radiant glen]

you should attack enemy kill player gain cr attacking and murder and win games

[potent pivot]

i think we are going to end up running more haste/crit than tier gives anyway

so the tier ends up not being a loss because you want those stats

[heady swift]

Did you get max bloody tokens or just the 1k from the quest?

[potent pivot]

belt is 700.. cloak is 525.. weekly limit is 1350

[outer sky]

even if we want some haste and crit there's no way 2% haste and 1% crit>6.5% mastery

maybe if it was more overall stats

[potent pivot]

i mean you're not counting the tier set effect at all in that

[outer sky]

thats not even active for 40% of the game though

[potent pivot]

not sure how you lose 6% to get 2 and 1

that doesn't make sense

[outer sky]

I think each spec gets different % mastery for each number of stats

[potent pivot]

ye but all 4 tier pieces have some mastery on them as well

or maybe vers on 1

[outer sky]

not as much as these engi goggles have

[potent pivot]

engi goggles

[potent pivot]

is that what you're counting

[outer sky]

❤️

[potent pivot]

for the 6%

no wonder

[outer sky]

I dont remember how I calculated it on beta

quite possibly

[potent pivot]

i don't think you want mastery goggles for assa at all

for sub maybe

[outer sky]

idk my bleeds are trucking and I'm not even fully geared

Crimson tempest ticks

[potent pivot]

we're playing a bleed build

[outer sky]

Garrote

[potent pivot]

and we're overtuned

they will truck regardless

[outer sky]

well the scale directly with mastery so thats gotta have something to do with it

[potent pivot]

i just don't think it's worth making that many sacrifices to stack mastery on sin

[outer sky]

I'm also running engi bracers

60% mastery unbuffed and not fully geared

[potent pivot]

sub gains almost nothing from crit/haste, it barely has interactions

[outer sky]

BTW my kingsbanes, when I play it, are hitting for over 1m

[potent pivot]

sin has multiple interactions with each

[outer sky]

initial hit

[potent pivot]

in the end it will hit the same

regardless of stats

[radiant glen]

why u all eating shrimp w da wimps when u could be eating lobster w a monster

[outer sky]

huh

gear doesnt affect it's damage?

[potent pivot]

agility boss

regardless of stats

.

like you're pushing the most try hard week 1 thing you possibly can rn

i don't think it's good at all long term

[proven kayak]

I bought rank 2 enchants and we Gucci on budget

[torpid swan]

what's the stronger spec for rmp between the 3 specs?

[potent pivot]

all 3 are really good

[torpid swan]

damn

[maiden cliff]

vers+haste for outlaw?

[spring bough]

Wow the pvp seasonal mount this time is a flying mount

Isn’t it always a ground mount??

[spring bough]

Mostly. Some mastery too and maybe a lil crit. Other outlaws stacking mastery idk about that

Wanna get 25% haste buffed for adrenaline windows to get 0.8s gcds

[potent pivot]

miniumum 10% haste, then crit vers

[dreamy marten]

does the pins got a talent built for pvp? am i blind

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[blazing copper]

woop woop

[potent pivot]

yes

[lime oar]

My assa dmg is wild in shuffle but I feel like I’m just not closing out kills

[potent pivot]

it's the 4th pin down

has a build for each spec

[dreamy marten]

i see, tyvm

[spring bough]

KS creeping up to get a 300k hit for one of its 16 hits. 253k just now

[worthy crag]

why cant everyone just start at 1000 cr

[dreamy marten]

is sin mastery/vers i assume for pvp

[potent pivot]

yes but having some crit/haste is okay, haven't figured out the perfect bis or anything yet

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-new-resto-druid-talents-tail-swipe-346611

@outer sky

more changes

[lyric onyx]

What pieces are prio buys for sub?

[potent pivot]

check nahj or whaazz armory

[lyric onyx]

🫡aye aye

[potent pivot]

do wep if you want to try hard first 2 weeks, don't do wep if you aren't

[lyric onyx]

I’m assuming they got their legs from 1600

[potent pivot]

yes

holy changes

[steep kiln]

[lyric onyx]

New reprimand is interesting

[steep kiln]

cheap shot buffed holy

[potent pivot]

no

it isn't

read the end of that line

[lyric onyx]

Not in pvp

[steep kiln]

pvp duration not changed

😭

[lyric onyx]

Makes sense tho

Imagine 6 second cheap

[potent pivot]

coup evis fixed it seems

[outer sky]

@potent pivot can you explain the subterfuge change to me like I'm an idiot

[worthy crag]

jesus christ, another mechanic that doubles down on getting a reset as sub

[potent pivot]

LOLOL

[potent pivot]

(it's not really a change, it's more just saying that subterfuge should work on ALL these types of things, i think)

[outer sky]

The only one they listed that isn't currently functioning like that is MA, I think

[potent pivot]

some of them have been bugged

i've had imp garrote bug on me

a couple times

[outer sky]

So that's a bug fix

[blissful osprey]

any hot takes on pvp embelishmentss?

[spring bough]

foxylama was just in my solo and bro won 2 games lol

[lyric onyx]

Is it saying you get improve Garrote for the duration of subterfuge, and then after subterfuge it lingers for the additional 6 seconds or whatever it is now after breaking stealth?

[worthy crag]

Does this patch note mean the datamined dust removal isnt coming ?

[potent pivot]

basically, they prolly reworked subterfuge's code or something

[spring bough]

YES TRICK UPDATES

[worthy crag]

oh nvm its still coming

[outer sky]

Did they tone down the pally changes by any chance?

[steep kiln]

feel like the hot take is to wait a few days on embellishments. seems like half went weapon/dusk and the other duskx2

[potent pivot]

you may be right actually yes

[blissful osprey]

imma send dusk on these on crafts

the 9 tokens might aswell get spent

[potent pivot]

you might have imp garrote for 12 seconds now?

[lyric onyx]

Huge if true

[outer sky]

That would be crazy good

[potent pivot]

and Take em by Surprise too

[lyric onyx]

Testing needed

[potent pivot]

holy

[vocal surge]

Wait

[potent pivot]

that IS how it reads actually

[vocal surge]

that was an immunity on Coup

[outer sky]

This isn't until 11.0.5 right?

[vocal surge]

that prevented us from using GCD's?

[potent pivot]

correct

[lyric onyx]

Shame

[potent pivot]

not that i noticed lmao

[vocal surge]

Patch notes you posted said that

[spring bough]

Bros saying he don’t care bout trick brother lol

[potent pivot]

might mean something different than immunity to other's abilities

[outer sky]

You become immune to winning the game when it procs

[spring bough]

ima get outlaw nerfed

[potent pivot]

you became immune to casting your own spells

[spring bough]

1.16 mil

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

killed this mage 15 seconds flat off the start of the shuffle lol

[tight veldt]

how we feeling on weapon grip versus ascension rn?

[worthy crag]

guess thats the end of deeper stratagem days and being forced to spend 2 points into alacrity

[potent pivot]

neither

go double duskthread lining for now

[potent pivot]

how so

[tight veldt]

ive been reading mixed decisions so far so just curious. I see some people crafting MH for stat, not buying.

I mean ik most of this is crap shoot either way since its early but

[worthy crag]

SoD supercharge will mean your finisher will be 6+2 = 8 combo points instead of 7 by taking deeper

and finisher damage outside of SoD doesnt matter so

[tight veldt]

what reason for double dusk over the embellishments on weapon?

[worthy crag]

i expect people to drop deeper and take the supercharge

[outer sky]

Weapon grip has 25-30% uptime it ain't bad

[spring bough]

Yeah

[worthy crag]

actually, 6+3 = 9 since there's the amp for another bonus point

[potent pivot]

because they're the safest play, higher uptime, etc

[outer sky]

And at max stacks it's giving me 5% mastery

[tight veldt]

What pieces are they going on then?

[worthy crag]

also its easier to cast finisher with 6 than 7

[somber plank]

Interesting changes

[potent pivot]

nahj and whaazz both went double duskthread

[somber plank]

they really want the auto tea to go through

[tight veldt]

Nahj went ascension + double nerubian on his alt tho is why im curious

[potent pivot]

you can use them on honor heraldry items, so whatever pieces you want

[potent pivot]

that's just for testing

[tight veldt]

ohh.

[outer sky]

Tea change is good. Shouldn't be too hard to stay above 30 energy

[somber plank]

yeah 30 is pretty doable

[outer sky]

@potent pivot does this mean 12 second MA?

That might make it decent

[potent pivot]

maybe

if it still says after breaking stealth

[outer sky]

They really had to nerf it by 5% lmfao

[tight veldt]

that HAS to be a bug right? No shot the embellishment is 60 vers??

[worthy crag]

honestly this embellish debate boils down to like less than 1% of an output?

[potent pivot]

...what

[worthy crag]

and isnt the weap embellishment like 150k gold

or idk, 35k

just get a cheaper one

[outer sky]

I paid 5k for mine

[tight veldt]

Just looking at tooltips, thats def a check-pvp tooltip bug then?

dusk

[potent pivot]

hes talking about ascension i think

[potent pivot]

yeah

look in game

[outer sky]

Ascension is which one again?

[potent pivot]

a Dark Moon weapon embellishment

[outer sky]

What's it do

[potent pivot]

gives u 1 of 4 stats at random

but u always have 1 up

rotates every 8 seconds

[outer sky]

Is it a lot of stats?

[potent pivot]

it's one of the bis pve ones

[outer sky]

Probably not given the uptime

[potent pivot]

none of the embellishments are crazy powerful

[spring bough]

Rogues on this mine cart cap map are amazing

Got this feral with me we controlling two carts every cap

[snow schooner]

we have a list on what to buy with what currency

?

[potent pivot]

no

[outer sky]

Blessed weapon grip is almost as powerful as our 4 set when it procs lol

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[outer sky]

At max stacks it's 5% poison and bleed damage

Then degenerates from there

[spring bough]

1,850 verse for 10 stacks that drops off over 30 seconds is what the grip gives

So not always at that max

Prob more avg 900 or so

[outer sky]

It can give you whatever stat you want. I get mastery from it

[spring bough]

Ah that sounds pretty good for yall mastery boys then

[potent pivot]

problem is the low uptime and it forces you to go wep

[outer sky]

Uptime isn't THAT bad

25-30%

[potent pivot]

it kinda is

compared to lining

[outer sky]

I'm running 1 lining with it

Vers embellishment just seems boring

[potent pivot]

it's boring, but it's the safer option

[spring bough]

This lol

[small oyster]

can you run the same pvp vendor in? or do i have to grab a a different one?

[outer sky]

But each lining is what, 1% vers?

[surreal barn]

I’ve got one lining and a grip myself, seems fine enough but I haven’t played around with the others yet

I bet some of the pve ones are broken in pvp lol

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna laugh so hard when Ascension ends up being bis

[spring bough]

Just about

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna die lmao

[spring bough]

What’s that one do

[outer sky]

Yeah fuck that I'll take 1 lining and the mastery grip

[potent pivot]

1 of 4 stats up at random on an 8 second rotation

so always 1 stat up

[spring bough]

Is that the gem associated one

[potent pivot]

no

wep embel

[outer sky]

I may even want to do 1 mastery grip and 1 dark moon one but idk

[surreal barn]

Is it expensive

[potent pivot]

the thing is

grip is only like a 1-2% dmg inc

IF that

[surreal barn]

I have an extra grip in my bags

[spring bough]

That the vivacity one then?

[potent pivot]

lining is about a 2% dmg inc and gives dmg reduction

[spring bough]

Inc secondary stats 735 and gives speed or avoidance

[outer sky]

2 linings or 1?

Because 1 lining is like 1% vers

Which is 1% damage

And that doesn't have 100% uptime

So each lining is less than 1% overall

[potent pivot]

no shit

[outer sky]

I get like 65% uptime on it

Depending on if I'm being trained or not

Realistically were probably splitting hairs here

[potent pivot]

i'm saying it doesn't really matter

exactly

the problem with grip is with low uptime you can't rely on it for the dmg

[spring bough]

Let’s just face facts. All embellish probably around a 1% gain and any will probably work

[potent pivot]

if your health is over 80% and you are blowing CDs, you KNOW you have the dmg

without watching for some shitty proc

[spring bough]

No need to theory craft this shit OD lol

[dull bridge]

has the new ptr patch notes been discussed? rip first dance

[potent pivot]

[dull bridge]

elemental damage proc embellish is 5-7% on my hunter

[potent pivot]

with premed we barely need it tbh

[dull bridge]

(2 of them)

[outer sky]

Can someone link all the changes?

[potent pivot]

i did already

and i pinged you

check your inbox

[dull bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-534486

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

I meant for all classes

[dull bridge]

scroll down

[potent pivot]

yes i linked it

[outer sky]

Oh myb

[worthy crag]

they literally came up with the most boring redesign for first dance

i mean how do you even use it in pvp

[potent pivot]

you drop it

that's how

[somber plank]

Its either for BGB boys

[dull bridge]

thats the neat part, you dont

[worthy crag]

drop fd, drop sepsis, drop shadowdust

!!

[somber plank]

Or you only get value out of it for like the first opener hey

[worthy crag]

this new replacement for ER looks cool but

we lose so much

[potent pivot]

i doubt that they are done man

don't doom yet

[outer sky]

Who was playing ER anyway

[somber plank]

Yeah this is massive considering its only been a week

[potent pivot]

a fuck load of people

[outer sky]

Really

[potent pivot]

yes

sub one shot memes

[worthy crag]

it was actually a pretty alright build

I think it was more legit than alot of people gave credit for

[dull bridge]

supercharge is fucking sick if im reading it correctly, you basically get +2 cps on your next 2 finishers. no blue cp bullshit

[worthy crag]

like it wasnt really as memey as SL 1 dance

[potent pivot]

i played it while farming honor last week, it was meh at best vs good players

[worthy crag]

yeah ppl will take that over deeper strat

most likely

including the one that gives another cp bonus

[potent pivot]

if you kept double vanish it wasn't horrible

[worthy crag]

so 6+3 = 9 cp

[somber plank]

I wonder if supercharged cp points works the same as animacharged

[spring bough]

I was gonna recaft wep grip for ascension to fk around with it but now that I have a gem….. this might be what I’m testing tn

[dull bridge]

it says +3 cps. wouldnt make sense if it worked like animacharged

[somber plank]

Please I hope not

felt so wonky trying to hit a specific amount of combo points intstead of fullsending to max

[outer sky]

I've never really liked the playstyle of playing around charged combo points tbh

[somber plank]

at least for me

[dull bridge]

animacharged cps are the bane of my existence

[outer sky]

Especially as sub

[somber plank]

yeah considering how many friggen bonus points we get for breathing correctly

[dull bridge]

yup, you got a shadow tec proc enjoy your 3 cp eviscerate!!

[blissful osprey]

does duskthread lining versa buff stack x2?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[blissful osprey]

sick

ty

[potent pivot]

this might actually make flag worth using?

the cp count towards flag stacks and flag is reduced to 1 min CD

[outer sky]

Wtb SL flag that actually did damage during the go

[potent pivot]

losing sepsis and dust anyway we might have to play flag now

even if it's telegraphed, 1min is kinda crazy

[worthy crag]

yeah and the alternative is perforated veins lmao

or extended sod..

[potent pivot]

yeah i think we might actually play flag in this iteration

[somber plank]

I can't picture the talent tree, but does this mean every SoD we're hitting 10 point eviscerates?

[potent pivot]

i don't think i'd mind it, with it being 1 min CD

[potent pivot]

you have to drop something to take the new talents, so if you drop deeper it's 9

i assume they take ER and Reverb's spot

[somber plank]

Ah okay, right

[potent pivot]

there's 0 chance sub ever drops Tea or double Vanish

so it kinda has to be deeper

[somber plank]

Still, 9 pt darkest night Eviscerate 🤔

[worthy crag]

too bad shadowcraft is like impossible to reach

alternatively i need to get better at an alt class enough that I dont need to play sub anymore

[potent pivot]

So Ascension is a Nerubian embellishment as well so it can be doubled with the other embellishment

[outer sky]

Wait

Guys

Omg

[potent pivot]

That might actually be good for assa/outlaw

[outer sky]

The subterfuge changes

Also buff indiscriminate carnage

[potent pivot]

Yes lol

[outer sky]

Unlimited cleave

For 12 seconds

Holy fuck

[potent pivot]

You’re dooming too hard man

Wait for the patch and we’ll see how it goes

[spring bough]

Man this blade flurry change….. idk what ima do

One fking change for outlaw and its flurry lol

[worthy crag]

idk, you can kinda just look at datamined patch notes to figure out the design direction, even if not tuning

[outer sky]

If I really can spam AoE garrotes for 12 seconds after stealth

[potent pivot]

Take em by surprise 12 sec now

[outer sky]

Omg

[worthy crag]

and i just dont like the fact that rogue utility is being pruned while other class kit is being untouched

[graceful ravine]

how 12 secs?

[spring bough]

It’s already 20 seconds

So does that mean 32?

[wet crown]

for fucks sake

[worthy crag]

maybe we'll be doing 3m evisc with the changes and flagellation but still

[potent pivot]

Read the patch notes for 11.0.5

[spring bough]

I’m tryna figure out how the take em will work

Cause when I leave stealth I already got it for 20 seconds

It’s like the same shit as saying oh subterfuge adds 12 seconds after it ends

[spring bough]

This thing gotta add on to the duration

[outer sky]

Isn't this a good change?

[spring bough]

It is it’ll be 11yards I was joking lol

[outer sky]

Assass is going to be so disgusting if this goes love

[graceful ravine]

suberfuge increase master assa window? lmao

[outer sky]

Live*

Now all we need is some CDR on vanish

Or a 3rd vanish charge

That would be perfect

[spring bough]

No lol

[worthy crag]

lmao

[spring bough]

That’s outlaws thing

No no no lol

[potent pivot]

Nah u right idk why they put it in there, the way Take is worded clashes with this change

[outer sky]

New assa talent "Each time an empowered garrote deals damage, reduce the cooldown of Vanish by 0.5 seconds"

[sweet swallow]

damn shuffle time do be taking a second

[spring bough]

It’s gotta double the duration or something

Imagine 40 secs of it lol

[spring bough]

I’m going on 40 min no pop

[potent pivot]

Either way I’m sure they have more changes that are still cooking

[wet crown]

they need to make the thistle tea thing a choice node, auto vs manual

[potent pivot]

We just gotta wait and see

[spring bough]

Wtb some trickster updates

[sweet swallow]

just a lack of healers huh

[outer sky]

What rating?

[spring bough]

1883 lol

First and last lobby I had today we deleted this mage every round except for the last got a win with him lol

[potent pivot]

Playing week 1 is already weird

Playing with 1.2k and 3k players in the same lobby lmao

[spring bough]

Some people die so fast

[sweet swallow]

hi there

thatsa me

[worthy crag]

there is something incredibly wrong with affliction dmg rn

[blissful osprey]

duskthread doesnt stakc

[spring bough]

Others don’t listen. “Hey go fury low gear” then trains the other DPS lol

[potent pivot]

? It does

[sweet swallow]

feels like they're immortal as well 😭

[blissful osprey]

I equiped two, it shows one buff. I then took off the 2nd embelished item and the fluxuation to versa was only the base versaility on the item

maybe it was patched?

[spring bough]

Yeah dark pacts like a 80% shield

[spring bough]

What’s the buff tooltip say

[outer sky]

You play on NA? If so we will probably queue into each other here in the next hour or so

[blissful osprey]

increase by 756

[spring bough]

Yeeee

[spring bough]

Should say 1512 with two?

[outer sky]

Yep

[blissful osprey]

let me try reload uI

[spring bough]

Solo popped

[spring bough]

You aent in it RIP

Devo WW and DK

[blissful osprey]

still says 756

[outer sky]

I'm not home. That's why I said in the next hour or so

[potent pivot]

Try full relogging

On beta they were very buggy

[outer sky]

This bug was happening on beta

[potent pivot]

You could unequip one and keep the buff

All kinds of weird shit

[worthy crag]

maybe look at the raw vers number on the character stat screen instead of a buff icon

[potent pivot]

^

[outer sky]

You could unequip both and keep the buff

[potent pivot]

Could also be a tooltip error

Lingering tooltip says 0% rn

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot how you feeling about the upcoming 0.5 changes?

[potent pivot]

Today’s are mostly really good

The last announcement has some meh changes and some good

Losing Dust in pvp is a hated decision by practically everyone

[topaz delta]

Thought sub was hating the upcoming changes?

[potent pivot]

Nah

Most of the changes are good

[worthy crag]

oh there is reason to hate sub changes

[potent pivot]

People are dooming about losing Dust

[topaz delta]

Auto thistle and dust

[potent pivot]

Thistle does not matter

At all

[topaz delta]

It doesn’t?

[potent pivot]

No

It’s still an active ability

[topaz delta]

Can’t time the mastery buff with burst

[worthy crag]

i dont mind losing dust if kidney isnt 30 seconds, or if utility was reduced across the board

[potent pivot]

Yes you can

[topaz delta]

Ooo so it’s active or passive?

[potent pivot]

It’s active

[topaz delta]

Thought it was solely passive

[potent pivot]

Now you just pool energy outside of burst windows

[topaz delta]

Or proc at 50 energy

[spring bough]

I literally can’t beat monks

Idk why lol

[potent pivot]

It does not matter 1 bit

It’s a good change for the pve players, we just have to play around not wasting charges outside of burst windows

Losing Dust is the only bad change I’ve seen so far

And I think people are overly dooming about it

[inland thorn]

Do I lose a lot of dmg going vers/crit instead of vers/mast as sub

[potent pivot]

Depends what you mean

[inland thorn]

I'd just like to get vers/crit pieces

[worthy crag]

oh the pve players do not like the change one bit either

[potent pivot]

Like FULLY crit on every piece? Yes you lose a fuck load of dmg

[inland thorn]

Nah I just want to get the vers/crit pieces instead of vers/mast

[potent pivot]

You want mastery on basically every piece besides tier set

And badge

[worthy crag]

youll be shooting yourself in the foot but thats something you can do if you want

[tawdry imp]

anyone figured out why they thought sepsis had to go? just pruning?

[potent pivot]

Probably yeah

[inland thorn]

pain

[potent pivot]

A lot of people complain about sub’s button bloat

[inland thorn]

I guess we stay outlaw

[somber plank]

seems like flag has potential so the 2 keybinds we got back might only be 1 lol

[steep kiln]

everyone wants to play a moba instead of mmo it seems like from the few threads i read

[inland thorn]

Everywhere I go I see insane takes on the rogue class and I genuinely hope blizzard hears none of it because oml

[potent pivot]

You can’t deny that some specs have too many buttons compared to others

[inland thorn]

All the idiots asking for combat back but at the same time saying the hate snd and it's boring

[tawdry imp]

i'll miss the little spin you do with sepsis

[inland thorn]

[tawdry imp]

not sure it was part of the bloat though, it's all the stuff you press before a burst that is a bit much

[steep kiln]

oh no doubt. I gott stretch my wrists and hands real good after a solid arena session on rogue

most melee really

[worthy crag]

sub in pvp doesnt really have a lot of buttons imo, but it has more in pve

[inland thorn]

Doesn't it only have sec tec, black powder and shuriken storm

[worthy crag]

compared to other classes that have dispel or execute or friendly utility or all combined

[potent pivot]

More than most other specs though

[worthy crag]

or totems

[steep kiln]

i see many threads "what class has the least buttons?"

[worthy crag]

prob devoker/DH on that front

[tawdry imp]

i would be so bored by a class with only a few buttons

[potent pivot]

BM hunter

[tawdry imp]

i would prefer to be bad at something complicated instead

[somber plank]

I mean personally I wouldn't hate a move towards less buttons overall, or at least merging a few similar function buttons

[steep kiln]

a lot of rogue haters "rogue just 1 shots in kidney no buttons required" etc

[tawdry imp]

100% of those comments have not played rogue

[somber plank]

Like 2 full action bars for everything, rather than 2 and a half action bars

[potent pivot]

i have like 5 full action bars

[tawdry imp]

i don't know if it's heresy to say but it's the symbols, dance, blades, tea, on-use trinket stuff that feels clumsy

i'm not excited to press symbols or tea, not that I have to be

[potent pivot]

60 or so keybinds

[steep kiln]

im looking to get my first mmo mouse. always avoided it but now i don't play many other games besides wow

[tawdry imp]

rogue and only rogue is making me consider the naga

[somber plank]

that's a proper crazy amount of buttons

[steep kiln]

just going to get that steelseries wow 20th anniversary, the corsair scimitar and a naga. see whats most comfy shape wise and go with it

[potent pivot]

i've heard bad things about the steelseries

they look really nice

[tawdry imp]

the only mmo mouse I haven't heard people say falls apart is the logitech and they don't make them anymore

[halcyon timber]

Mixed bag of reviews

[potent pivot]

but the button positioning is too far forward is what i heard

[spring bough]

So I saw this energy radiance beacon going WILD on a healer. Would snd healing and crimson proc this for us? 2% of my health is 150k dmg lol

[steep kiln]

apparently you need large hands or long thumbs. i got both so it seems solid

and its palm grip from what i've read

[potent pivot]

does snd healing even work fam

that shit has been bugged forever

[steep kiln]

other 2 look a bit shorter

[spring bough]

Talent does

[potent pivot]

you sure?

it was only working from first SnD cast and not Dispatch/evis extensions before

[spring bough]

I used it the other day and it was doing a good amount

[surreal barn]

lol, raid finder tier is the best looking set

Hilarious

[potent pivot]

you think so?

i like the elite set a lot

[surreal barn]

yeh that black and orange is 🤌🏼

[potent pivot]

it is pretty nice

mythic and elite sets go hard though

[surreal barn]

They do

[potent pivot]

i just dig the purple look for rogue

[steep kiln]

think the red looks fine. go's nice with a lot of daggers i have at least

[surreal barn]

I’m a fan of the no face hood

[sweet swallow]

as long as my nelf ears pop out of the hood then I'm good with it

[somber plank]

I'm old but still mentally 15, I still think Deathmantle helm is the coolest thing in the game even though I don't use it in my tmog anymore

[spring bough]

Tier 3 is it for me lol

That’s my favorite one

[somber plank]

man back in the day those shoulders were wicked

[spring bough]

Whole set. Didn’t need a tabard or cloak to hide the armor 😂

[spring bough]

We can’t proc that embelish. Wild idea 0 😂

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Anyone know when the changes will be testable on PTR so we can know for sure how the subterfuge change works?

[somber plank]

my mans is too excited for indiscriminate carnage buff

[potent pivot]

they might already be there

if not, probably sometime in the next week

the dracthyr rogue is already up

along with the last announced changes

it says "this week's PTR build"

so sometime this week for sure

[halcyon timber]

Probably friday

[outer sky]

I'm skeptical because remember they nerfed IC from 10s t0 6s so this is a weird change putting it at 12

[potent pivot]

with all this, we may run ER and supercharge on assa

[halcyon timber]

Supercharge does sound cool

[tawdry imp]

the dev is apparently a car enjoyer

[potent pivot]

this could ACTUALLY mean bigger mutilates and envenoms

[outer sky]

So you dont have to land on the charged combo point to proc the damage this time?

[potent pivot]

you don't

[halcyon timber]

I like multitool type talents

[outer sky]

thats nice

[somber plank]

I was thinking the same when I saw it hahaha

[potent pivot]

it gives the extra cp no matter what amount you spend

ER also buffs mutilate now

[outer sky]

9 CP envenom with SV and LD

[potent pivot]

instead of being actively pressed

[outer sky]

and DFA lol

[surreal barn]

Vicious bloodstone up to 18k

[outer sky]

jeez maybe I should make some gold and hold off on my sockets lol

[halcyon timber]

Friggin a

Pvers fiending that bad eh?

[potent pivot]

prolly better to make some enchant gold than socket rn lmao

just need 1 socket for the 5% DR

[outer sky]

Is this tooltip buged?

[worthy crag]

seems right to me

[outer sky]

Shouldnt it be 15%

[potent pivot]

nerfed in pvp

[outer sky]

heres what it says when I vanish

[potent pivot]

that's just a tooltip bug most likely

a lot of buff tooltips are all over the place

i.e. Lingering Darkness

[worthy crag]

even 1500 is pretty tryhard in 3s this early eh

either that or im just shit at hunter

[swift smelt]

how do we get the second catalyst this week, 1600?

[worthy crag]

get 1600 rating in any content, get the token from mail and redeem it

so technically, it does not involve the catalyst

[swift smelt]

tyvm

[steep kiln]

so the last 900 conq unspent can go towards trinket or whatever you need? buy some more Heraldries to craft 2 more pieces even?

[worthy crag]

yeah

[steep kiln]

seeing Raz crafted a neck, bracers, ring and dagger. that's a lot of heralds

[rain crown]

so i jsut tried out the build the top outlaw in shuffle is using rn and it served me far better than the one that was pinned

hes heavy mastery with greenskins

[potent pivot]

@outer sky https://www.twitch.tv/pikabooirl/clip/PlacidDependableWalletCoolStoryBob-u9q8t9PuKevU7xCg

[spring bough]

LOL

[potent pivot]

the one that's pinned is the best build, for a seasoned player

[spring bough]

Wonder who gave pika that advice 😂

[potent pivot]

if you aren't really good at outlaw, maybe something else will be better for you

crackshot is not super easy to use properly

[rain crown]

yea im new to olaw

maybe worth posting both builds?

[potent pivot]

nah

[rain crown]

i felt like crackshot was really easy to get cucked on

random cc

[potent pivot]

don't really see the point in advertising subpar stuff idk

[marble crag]

Wait we get two catalysts in a week?

[rain crown]

is it really sub par if dude is like 7th place in shuff rn

[marble crag]

Fuck i spent it all on non tier stuff fuuuuckkkk

[potent pivot]

the entire chat from the looks of it lmao

[outer sky]

There's a new rival in town bois

[potent pivot]

now he's saying it's the best embellishment

fucking

lmfao

he had 0% uptime in 1 game

57% the next game

[marble crag]

I was watching pikaboo early on

[spring bough]

It’s pretty decent uptime lol

[potent pivot]

yes, if you're actually looking at who's on top right now, idk what to say to you

[marble crag]

he himself admits he doesnt know anything about the game or how anything works pvp related chat and team had to show him everything lol

[potent pivot]

it's fucking, 2 days into the season

[marble crag]

He went to craft pvp weapons

[potent pivot]

who's on top right now doesn't make a fuck

[marble crag]

lmao

[potent pivot]

the top 10 players rn just played the most

damn they must be top tier theory crafters and r1 players

[outer sky]

don't take this from me

[potent pivot]

i'm not

but i'm saying looking at what a top10 player is doing

week 1

doesn't mean they know what they're doing

most people are just farming conq and hopping to alts immediately

no one cares about CR rn besides 1600 for tier

[worthy crag]

dang im 11th now, i just checked

1 slot short

[potent pivot]

that's why looking at Murlok right now is pointless

[marble crag]

people are sweating too much. Season is every long

very*

[potent pivot]

yeh

[worthy crag]

im practicing my alt class for the rogue changes in november ;)

[potent pivot]

after awc we can pay attention to murlok

and the top 10

[marble crag]

Theyve done tones of changes to rogue in a very short time. Im expecting a lot more changes by November hopefully

[worthy crag]

even top end players have varying opinions on what will be meta in awc

[marble crag]

im looking foeward to changing things up for rogue since it basically plays the same as in DF so kinda excited hopefully it wont suck in thr end

[worthy crag]

i think all 3 will remain viable as the patch notes stand right now, but I also think there will be 0 reason to play sub over sin or outlaw

[potent pivot]

I think they’re having a hard time because all specs are so good tbh

[worthy crag]

nahj thinks sin will be preferred over outlaw, which I am not sure I agree with

[marble crag]

Right now im seeing more subs than assa 😮

[potent pivot]

Yeah I don’t agree with that at all

[worthy crag]

yeah sub rn is definitely a bit on the degenerate side

[marble crag]

in arenas and blitz

tbh assa kinda sucks in st. As sub im melting them. A couple of stuns, a rupture and most of the health is gone in my burst. Just have to make sure i dont get caught in their stunts and i can burst them way quicker than they can DoT me

[potent pivot]

Even in war games sub and outlaw have been insane

[worthy crag]

but I expect the meta to shift over to non-sub specs with the upcoming changes and I dont really feel thrilled about the idea of justifying my choice of subtlety, ive had to do it so many seasons in the past

[marble crag]

yea

[potent pivot]

I really think sub will remain good

[marble crag]

we'll see. If its as bad as last season ill swap to assa but for now im happy.

[worthy crag]

I think it can remain viable. I also think there'd be no competitive reason to play it over sin or law

well

simply put, if frost mage stays in the same spot it is right now, no changes to sub will make it non-viable lmao

[marble crag]

yeah sub against a frost mage is a nightmare

[potent pivot]

sub with* a frost mage is a nightmare

[worthy crag]

ive also seen it with affliction, with their shadow bolts hitting 900k noncrit

disgusting

[potent pivot]

i'm surprised they let season go live like this ngl

[worthy crag]

viability of sub rogue also relies heavily on the damage of their traditional partner so

[outer sky]

In my honest opinion, if you're above 1800 in SS right now you're probably a God tier gamer

0 bias

[potent pivot]

LOL

[worthy crag]

I think it's a pretty decent launch of a season tbh, especially for a first season of an expansion

just there are some heavy outliers

[marble crag]

Affliction i burst i only start getting their health bar below 100% after my burst is over. And by thn they have left me to 35%

[worthy crag]

but not as outrageous as kyrian ret or convoke balance

[marble crag]

they are disgusting right now

[steep kiln]

seems like the sin talents are all over the place. was going to try the icy veins "ST" build later on in 2s

[worthy crag]

design of affliction should always be rotting and outmacroing the enemy team

you know something is insanely off when they place their teleport in offensive places and port behind pillar just to keep dpsing you

[marble crag]

I dont even like warlocks but im tempted to level one xd

but i suppose they will get the nerf hammer so i will wait

[worthy crag]

prob will remain strong

some classes just fly under the radar 10 years in a row now

like windwalkers and warlocks imo

[outer sky]

warlocks have been flying under the radar for 20 years

[potent pivot]

Unholy shouldn’t be glossed over either imo

Even rogues that have never played it are talking about needing to play it for awc

[outer sky]

that wont last

blizzard hates DKs

[spring bough]

got a R3 depths for the MH. this enchants my 3rd overall damage after a lobby overall lol

[outer sky]

they get nerfed even when nobodys playing them

[potent pivot]

Frost felt insane in preseason

But that’s kinda dropped off

[jolly sierra]

told and warned you

[worthy crag]

dont they give groupwide AMS now

kinda silly

[jolly sierra]

unless u are a r1

dont play the first 2 weeks by pushing

[potent pivot]

What are you talking about

[jolly sierra]

else u will be fucked w overstress and frustrations from meeting r1

something i said days ago

xd

[worthy crag]

its more true in 3s than rss

every player and their mother is flexing their some xyz gladiator mount out the gate at 1500

[jolly sierra]

first and last time i did week 1 met just rank ones

[potent pivot]

I think most of us that have been playing a lot feel fine

[jolly sierra]

in my first queues

[steep kiln]

felt like with DK if your are anywhere close to them your getting chunkerton'd even if they are on someone else

[marble crag]

windwalker is the most disgusting spec i dont even know how its allowed. If it wasnt such a stupid class i would play it. Even warrior with its current crazy damage is way easier to counter

[potent pivot]

Frost can cleave pretty hard

Haven’t played enough UH to speak on it yet

[outer sky]

You can out cleave them as assa

they pop their AMS in a desperate attempt to mitigate any damage at all

but you dont care

[sturdy valve]

!gear

[potent pivot]

Spec?

[worthy crag]

!havoc

[sturdy valve]

ass

im bad at subtle atm

[pliant mauve]

Made it to 1700 without seeing a WW until my last round where I got absolutely violated. Fisted of Fury’d me in every embarrassing spot.

[sturdy valve]

im just capped on conquest and need to know what to craft and what to buy

[potent pivot]

Check nahj/whaazz armories, but instead of badge buy another piece and don’t craft weapon unless you really want to because we get free weps week 3

[worthy crag]

whats wrong with buying badge?

[outer sky]

ya know you can feint that.

[potent pivot]

Assa is most likely playing insignia this season

[worthy crag]

its honestly not even fists of fury that's their high dmg though, its the stupid rising sun kick and slow-fall kick afterward

oh

right

[potent pivot]

You can play badge, but insignia fits the playstyle better this season

[worthy crag]

assass

[pliant mauve]

I know. I was just kidding. He did violate me though.

[outer sky]

No RSK isnt their big damage this season

right now WW big damage is Blackout Kick and Spinning Crane Kick. Not much you can do about BoK but you can feint SCK

[worthy crag]

ok whatever, but i definitely hate the slow fall kick

[outer sky]

That's Whirling Dragon Punch. Want a tip?

[worthy crag]

like they get away with being allowed to have the most asinine utility

[potent pivot]

Bro this new evasion shit is annoying as fuck from monks

[stoic spruce]

Oh fuuuuck those changes

Hrmggg

[worthy crag]

what new evasion?

[potent pivot]

I just keep forgetting about it lmao

[marble crag]

nvm their damage is that stupid abiliy they have that gives them immunity for 2h while they float around at kax speed

wtf is that how is that not nerfed in pvp?

[outer sky]

you can stun them on that

Guys guys guys

[potent pivot]

Iirc it’s a 9 stack buff they have now

[outer sky]

chill

let me tell you the anti WW hack

[potent pivot]

Yes and it’s been posted multiple times

[steep kiln]

[stoic spruce]

Okay just making sure

And I noticed

No one pinged me

Wtf

[worthy crag]

What does it do per stack or once it reaches 9 stacks?

[potent pivot]

I’d have to look it up idr

Star plays ww he prolly knows

[jolly sierra]

anyways guys, good luck to the ones which will play anyways this week

[marble crag]

he was gonna tell us the anti ww hack but he didnt 😦

[potent pivot]

And goodluck to you whenever you start queueing

[jolly sierra]

im in a very dead mood rn for fkn overseers in the job thinking i could know shit at day 1, so better not burst a punch into the screen for now

[steep kiln]

took his advice to just train rsham as assa worked out for me

[marble crag]

Im not playing anymore. Im capped on conquest and im going on holiday on sunday

[outer sky]

So WW monks do big damage with Spinning Crane Kick which is feintable. But they have to proc Dance of Chi to get big damage out of it. WW monks play a talent that forces a Dance of Chi proc every time they use Whirling Dragon Punch which is the ability that knocks you up in the air. So the next button they press after they knock you will be Spinning Crane Kick so they can spend the Dance of Chi proc. So whenever you get knocked by a WW, press feint ASAP and youll mitigate 40% of their entire next Spinning Crane Kick's damage.

[jolly sierra]

sounds nice

[marble crag]

come back in october when things have calmed down and mmr sorted itself

[potent pivot]

Good advice. Do you know the evasion thing I mentioned

[marble crag]

yeah no need to stress or sweat this early. I might try to push blitz for a few transmogs or whatever but thats it

[worthy crag]

i just sweated to get past that 0-1500 "placement" slug

its such a turn off every single season

[outer sky]

yeah to evasion their fury strikes

[marble crag]

Nice thanks

[potent pivot]

Naw it’s a monk thing that lets them dodge/immune shit

Not Fists either

[outer sky]

oh yeah its a talent

its better for MW than WW

[marble crag]

in blitz?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

What’s it called?

[worthy crag]

no, 3s