pvp

[potent pivot]

God blitz is slow conq eh

[vague comet]

I heard solo shuffle is dead

[potent pivot]

Gonna try shuffle

[vague comet]

wonder why

[potent pivot]

Probably blitz

[native glacier]

It’s the first day of the season lol

And everyone that I know is doing the quests and 2s for 1600

[vague comet]

well if its 1st day of saeson, shouldn't it be popping off?

[potent pivot]

Shuffle queues are like 20 minutes

[last jasper]

lmao

[native glacier]

People have jobs and life’s it’s a Tuesday

[vague comet]

PvP players usually have no life but ok

[native glacier]

And again I know a significant amount of people that only qued ladder today to get 1600

[potent pivot]

Nah not true

[vague comet]

(typign at work tho xD)

[potent pivot]

The vast majority of players are casual af

[native glacier]

Not really worth sitting in que for 1600

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure a lot of people hit 1800 in shuffle today

Queues were fast during peak hours

[native glacier]

Yeah ofc but 2s is definitely the simplest way to grab 1600

Get your tier piece rinse repeat on alt

[snow schooner]

so asassin still running death stalker?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[snow schooner]

booo

i dont like the mark

idk

[native glacier]

Afaik

[potent pivot]

The mark is good

[native glacier]

They’re not

[potent pivot]

They are

[native glacier]

Check jw and envenoim

They aren’t

[vague comet]

I felt like the coin spec has way more daamage

[native glacier]

Tails flips are topping your damage profile. I’m not saying it’s better but it’s good

[potent pivot]

Fatebound shows on details

That’s all

Zzzzzzz

[native glacier]

I also played a lot of death stalker today than noticed they were not

And swapped , it felt better afaik

[snow schooner]

the deathstalker mark games i play i get lime 1mill dmg out of it

vs fate i get liek 2-3mil

[potent pivot]

If you’re playing properly

Deathstalker is better

[potent pivot]

Deathstalker buffs your bleeds. You can’t see that on details

…..

[snow schooner]

yeah im deff letting it fall off and chit not envenom and team before third hit

[potent pivot]

Can’t **

[last jasper]

okay so how do we spend bloody tokens if we dont need weps

[potent pivot]

Belt and cloak

[gilded gulch]

Have any of you crafted anything with heraldry yet

wondering what ilvl it shows outside of pvp because the craft menu is only showing 597

[last jasper]

and for crafted? is there still a free mats for pvp as it was in df btw?

[gilded gulch]

well, the conquest one

[potent pivot]

you get 9 free heraldries

you craft items that you can't turn into tier

or that you don't want to turn into tier like gloves as an example

nahj went boots

[last jasper]

I see, thanks. Need 1 rated for quest to pop up or any pvp instance?

[gilded gulch]

yeah 1 win in blitz got me it

[potent pivot]

sometimes it can take 5-6 wins

i got it in 1 win as well

or 2 idr

[gilded gulch]

got silvershard twice

[potent pivot]

i've gotten the aids mop map twice

[gilded gulch]

have you made anything yet

[potent pivot]

idr the names

not yet

[gilded gulch]

wondering if tooltip trip

saying 597 on craft

[potent pivot]

only thing i made was a blue vers/mast ring

[potent pivot]

why does it matter

it will be 639 in pvp

if you want higher pve ilvl you use rank 3 mats

[gilded gulch]

mostly if i wanna use it outside too

[potent pivot]

if you don't care about pve ilvl you use r1 mats

[gilded gulch]

o right its the ranks

[potent pivot]

ye

it also costs them more concentration or w/e

so they might want higher tips but i have no idea

[gilded gulch]

i assume not every crafter

has the pvp recipes

[potent pivot]

i think a decent amount of them do

they just cost honor

they were buying them from pvpers before reset

ig i might just say fuck it and buy badge for sub since im mostly playing it rn

[worthy crag]

you can specify to them that quality doesnt matter and they shouldnt bother spending concentration

to justify tipping them low

[potent pivot]

do what

[gilded gulch]

oh no i was just wondering

if they’d even have the skillpoints

or is it skillpoints in the armor slot not the item

[worthy crag]

its the slot, i believe

[potent pivot]

blessed weapon grip is insanely cheap wtf

[last jasper]

should have. pvp recipes were selling really good on ah last two weeks

[potent pivot]

well duskthread lining is cheap af too damn

[hoary cliff]

can you change specs in rated solo bg? how does it work in rating tho?

[potent pivot]

don't think so

[hoary cliff]

it allowed me to change the spec but idk what'd happen to the rating

[potent pivot]

maybe blitz rating is class wide not spec specific

i think we might use leech on cloak

[azure rapids]

is there a pinned or something simillar, on what to get exact exactly this week or craft?

[potent pivot]

not yet no

still figuring everything out for the most part, besides sub

[outer sky]

rating for solo queues is spec specific

[azure rapids]

thanks ,lf to outlaw related 😛

[potent pivot]

yeah don't have anything ready for outlaw specifcally yet

[snow schooner]

i cant stand evoker i just dont get a go

1 min CD for my 2 min cd

lame

[indigo hill]

Evokes is pretty insane right now. Think they want everyone to play it so the class doesn't look like a failure.

[outer sky]

i think 2 devokers could be meta

just 1 is barely healable

[potent pivot]

is it just me

or does rdru kinda suck rn

[outer sky]

pres and disc are the only healers worth a damn rn

its really poorly balanced on the healer side of things

[potent pivot]

mw isn't terrible

only thing out damaging me rn is a good UH dk

just from what i've seen today anyway

shuffle queues being 20min on the first night is wild

@outer sky according to whispyr effects should all stack

that it's never proc rate anymore

[gilded gulch]

spark quest is enough to get a wep right

[potent pivot]

like on Depths, the effect doubles

he's never tested Grip, but yeah

[potent pivot]

if you're going to buy a wep, yea

[candid tide]

20 min q dangg thats a gud start alr

lets see hows it in eu

[potent pivot]

during prime time hours it's good

it's 3am in EST so queues have died

[outer sky]

?

So the stats stack?

[candid tide]

ye q at 3 am is dry usually

[potent pivot]

he's never tested Grip on beta or anything, but it sounds like it should

[outer sky]

It doesn't

im 100% sure

[potent pivot]

obviously vers lining stacks

grip should as well

[outer sky]

should

but doesnt

[potent pivot]

have you tested on live

[outer sky]

so the proc rate doesnt change if you run 2?

[potent pivot]

to say that

it doesn't

[outer sky]

I havent but I know someone who has

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Im gunna craft another dagger just to test it

[potent pivot]

it's pretty cheap

[azure rapids]

what we buying with all the conquest we can get this week on Outlaw ?

i saw a video saying we should craft a weapon with 10 of those purple reagents

[potent pivot]

not going to know for sure for a day or two

wouldn't recommend wep but you do you

[outer sky]

@potent pivot just confirmed it for myself. running 2 does NOT stack the stats

[potent pivot]

might even be a bug report angle

because it should

[outer sky]

well right now it doesnt

so right now theres absolutely no reason to run 2?

[potent pivot]

nope

[outer sky]

shouldnt the proc rate stack since it has a chance to proc with each weapon hit instead of with just 1 of them?

[potent pivot]

proc rates aren't supposed to stack on anything these days

you can test it on a dummy and see

but everything should be double effect not proc these days

otherwise things like Depths would proc more instead of doubling etc

[azure rapids]

thanks

[tawdry tinsel]

hi rogues, Ive been playing rogue since DF but obly in pve, this is my first season I want to focus only in pvp. Which spec do you recommend me to play in 2s? Which spec is the strongest? (Could differ)

[potent pivot]

all 3 are really good right now

just try to play with a healer

double dps 2s are a little meh

[azure rapids]

everybody seems so wound up today, all seems rushed and people in a hurry 😄 , maybe take your time enjoy the rated ,we have it for a few months until next season 😛

take a breath and kill some alliance 😛

[potent pivot]

Everyone’s been pretty hyped waiting for the season to start for almost 3 weeks

[outer sky]

Outlaw is probably the strongest 2v2 spec right now

[azure rapids]

Outlaw :t seems our Outlaw Rogues are going all in on their paranoia! First, they had to roll the bones just to feel confident in a fight, making sure their luck was on point. But now, in The War Within, Blizzard decided to crank up the OCD by adding a coin flip to the mix with Fatebound. So instead of getting treated for their obsession with chance, they’re now rolling dice and flipping coins just to be sure they’ve got the upper hand! At this rate, the next expansion might have them carrying a rabbit’s foot and tossing salt over their shoulder before every duel!

guess all that OCD is working out for Outlaw 😄

[outer sky]

The thing that annoys me about outlaw is how punishing it feels to CC during your subterfuge

[azure rapids]

in the next patch we get that solved though

if we get it bte reset with every stealth

it`s still a plus 😛

but yeah , missing out on dmg is bad

[outer sky]

How does that solve that though

It's even worse now with the crackshot buff and dispatch nerf

[azure rapids]

what do you mean,does that not mean we can burst bte every time we gain stealth ?

if stealth resets cooldown of bte

[outer sky]

I'm confused

Reread what I said

How does BtE resetting with stealth make it feel any better to spend your crackshot globals cheap shotting?

Those 2 things seem completely unrelated

[azure rapids]

dont we miss out on bursting if i use bte out of sub window?

[potent pivot]

you want to use bte during subterfuge

[azure rapids]

yes,but i sometimes press it wrong 😄 get hyped in a fight 😛

so i was thinking stealth reseting it would be a help

right?

[potent pivot]

as outlaw you mostly stay in

and use vanish for subterfuge

[azure rapids]

thanks

[potent pivot]

@outer sky which DR wa is it you use? might give it a shot

[jaunty spear]

wheres the omnitoken vendor?

[humble spear]

@potent pivot can you share your current build? ty

[potent pivot]

same one in the pins

those are the builds i mainly use, besides when i test out other stuff

[humble spear]

ok sweet ty

[last jasper]

I'm curious what is wrong with a developer who has been putting the token vendor outside the main city for two years

[vague comet]

whats an omni token, is that for pve?

[last jasper]

tier set token from 1600

[vague comet]

oh

[outer sky]

https://wago.io/R93MbZOoD

[potent pivot]

oof

[potent pivot]

my guess is that it's because it's the raid zone

[short pebble]

hey is subtetly rogue still good for pvp, and if so, what's the pvp build? I cant find it anywhere

[celest spade]

gladius alternativ that is wokring?

[snow mesa]

gladius works fine for me

[last jasper]

Prolly. Still weird tho

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are good atm, and build is in the pins

[potent pivot]

find the most recently updated one on curseforge

there's like 4 gladiuses now lol

[last jasper]

Ok, I’m a bit confused with pvp craft. All gear requires spark instead of pvp mats. Did I miss something?

[potent pivot]

it's the green Algari gear homie

[last jasper]

oh, the only thing I didn't click on 😄

tnx

[rain crown]

what are you guys tipping people to get orders done

cause my shits been up all night

[proven kayak]

I watched every one crafting the dagger 🤔

I guess it’s a go to

[potent pivot]

what did you put up exactly

[rain crown]

weapon belt and gloves

[potent pivot]

personally i don't think so, but at this point enough content creators have said hurrdurr craft weapon so

[proven kayak]

You tipped below 1k?

[rain crown]

300g

[proven kayak]

It is what it is

[rain crown]

used to work in dg

df lol

[potent pivot]

this is a brand new expansion

tip at least 2k lol

[proven kayak]

I think weapon is big damage increase

[rain crown]

alr

[potent pivot]

it is, but you will be behind on gear later

when we get free weapons

but i guess if enough people craft weapons then you won't be

idfk

it's dumb that the quest is week 3

[proven kayak]

Only thing really matters is main hand and 4 set rest is secondary imo

[potent pivot]

makes shit so unintuitive

[potent pivot]

4 set barely even matters for anything that isn't sub

[golden crypt]

I'm a little lost is there like a general guide on what to do first week in term of gearing 🤔?

[potent pivot]

not yet no

[celest spade]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/Nahj just copy him for sub i guess^^

[rain crown]

damn outlaw 2p does no damage

[potent pivot]

outlaw 4p does no damage either

[rain crown]

wonderful

[hexed pewter]

i need some help understanding general pvp strategies for sub..so usually you sap the off target and kill the main target..if they trinket you vanish and do the same thing later when you have all the cd up again...but what if one or both targets have stealth or you failed to sap? what's the general plan?
i always dont know what to do and end up dying

[rain crown]

you have to have some pretty good game knowledge to play sub. its not that simple

[outer sky]

Outlaw probably won't run 4 set. 2 set though you can get with really good stats so it'll probably be ran just because why not

[spring bough]

Nahj already 2010 on solo rating 😂

[potent pivot]

pretty much everyone is copying his set up as well

https://www.twitch.tv/bean/clip/VictoriousAlluringCurryWTRuck-y0mpncFhpJ5NEdW6

[spring bough]

That’s an rip

I almost made gloves last night instead of belt. Thank god the guy didn’t have the glove recipe 😂

[rain crown]

just realized the server my new rogue is on is low pop which is prob why my shti isnt getting crafted

[potent pivot]

i think whaazz is onto something

oh shit

helm only costs 4 heraldries

instead of 5

and boots costs 5 instead of 4

[spring bough]

Bracers are 3 too

[potent pivot]

so crafted helm is 700 conquest

instead of 875

[cobalt anchor]

so we can buy a piece of conquest this week instead of saving for weapon?

[potent pivot]

and boots are 875 instead of 700

the problem is

head is prolly gonna need to be tier later

[spring bough]

That sounds like they reversed it by accident lol

[potent pivot]

kinda yeah

but if we craft head now wtf will we do for tier

no way we use gloves for tier

they're fuckin... crit/haste

[spring bough]

I went conq helm so I’m out 175 conq 😂

[potent pivot]

fuck now idk what to do

[stoic spruce]

I gotta fix my pc asap

[potent pivot]

same, and my internet

is your pc fucked up?

[candid tide]

whaazz opening in arena is something new to me

he pop shadowblades/symbols/tea during subterfuge

and sit some seconds till shadowblades is at around 12-15 sec

then decides to dance on one of the targets

[potent pivot]

Lingering also gives you more dmg after Blades expires

but also

it's whaazz

[candid tide]

yeah its very a very versatile style of play

[potent pivot]

what he does while climbing from 0 rating might not be best lol they're just steam rolling

[candid tide]

and def requires some experience

[potent pivot]

if you want to learn

watch him during AWC when it matters most

[candid tide]

yeah i should

[stoic spruce]

I swapped the cpu but forgot to update the bios so I put my old cpu in and now it won't boot

[potent pivot]

oof

[stoic spruce]

Won't turn on at all actually

[grave basin]

Can you blame em

Nahj is the sweatiest rogue min maxer ever

I remember in SL he convinced rogues to swap covenants 4x for each tuning wave

Like going round the world with every covenant lol

[potent pivot]

nope, even whaazz is copying mostly

but he's trying to decide between badge and chest

@cyan mural i'm deleting that because it may be an exploit or some shit

[cyan mural]

😠 first time I find something interesting, instantly deleted

[potent pivot]

haha i'm sorry

but i wouldn't want someone to get banned from using that

[alpine tinsel]

Lmaaooo I forgot we really did end up doing that

REALLY got the full story in Shadowlands lol

[grave basin]

Tfw I went venthyr and leveled it up to 40 when it was complete aids to do so

And they nerfed the flag whipping conduit thingy the very next reset

I think it was even hotfix nerfed the few days after that tuning patch

And the worst part was you couldn't just switch back

[alpine tinsel]

To be honest it was all worth it for the game breaking burst for Kyrian and Venth lol

[grave basin]

Once they nerfed it

You had to wait a week

And refarm the renown

[alpine tinsel]

Lmao wait the week then earn their trust again. So tilting

[grave basin]

I literally quit the game over that lol

(and S1 Ret)

[alpine tinsel]

I still have ptsd from quing into S1 ret/arms

At least back then if you lived through the burst you won the game

Outside of wings and bubble they were pretty bad

Sepsis and Bonespike Assa were pretty fun

[grave basin]

You didn't live to see outside wings when divine toll could rng proc 3x judgements and end your bloodline

[alpine tinsel]

Trinket vanish instantly when I saw wings and prayed to every god I could think of

I think necro assa was also when our legendary reduced the CD of vendetta, that was a lot of fun

[grave basin]

https://youtu.be/3qb2mU9LHbo?si=0S70hLCvb7Jjvi3v

52 seconds in

Thanks blizzard

[spring bough]

I missed all of season one of SL was playing classic lol. Did the end of S2 thru the end of SL

[heady swift]

Wasnt only engi helmet 5? Or did he craft the engi helmet? Since if thats the case the table on WoWhead should be updated as well

[potent pivot]

reg helm

is 4

[heady swift]

Yea yea so the table is correct

[candid tide]

tf someone donated 1,2k euros to whaazz in sept

[vague comet]

Is Mastery > Crit? Which cloak do I buy?

[spring bough]

So the verse embellish was doing about 75% uptime in games. Wep grips was around 25%

[potent pivot]

mast/vers for sub/assa

[spring bough]

Realized ima craft honor gear for any other pieces I will do for conq down the road. Then can just recraft

[potent pivot]

Yeah double vers lining might be better tbh

[spring bough]

Yeah I was thinking that lol

1500 verse 75% uptime with double

[potent pivot]

I’m also thinking Depths might be bis for all specs

[upbeat snow]

What’s the take on creating weapons?

[spring bough]

Depths kinda ripped

[potent pivot]

If you’re super try hard you can craft a weapon

If not, don’t

It will put you behind a piece of gear week 3, but “ahead” for 2 weeks rn

Seems like a lot of people are crafting weapon anyway, so they will also technically be behind

But basically if you don’t craft rn, you will be ahead later

[upbeat snow]

I’m just going off the weapon embellishment and the fact our daggers are crit

Wasn’t sure if anyone simmed the embellishment

[potent pivot]

Well dagger stats barely matter in the grand scheme of things

Like yes you will recraft them way later

But the most important thing is just weapon dps and agi

[upbeat snow]

Kinda the route I was leaning for now

[potent pivot]

Also looks like most people are going double Duskthread embellishment and not Weapon Grip

[upbeat snow]

Are you triple crafting this week or double?

[potent pivot]

You only need to do 2 crafts this week

For sub/assa you buy conq shoulders and catalyst them into tier

Then you use 1600 tier token on legs

[upbeat snow]

Appreciate the help

[spring bough]

Think ima try to get forged legend this season lol

[warped gate]

Yo, speaking of embellishments, what are we crafting for Outlaw?

[dark kernel]

Thanks friend

[warped gate]

I’ve seen the gear guide, but what am I putting it on?

[dark kernel]

Hope you fellas had a good first night and EU gl today

[potent pivot]

I don’t really have any info for outlaw yet

Since outlaw probably won’t use tier you just craft or buy whatever has your stats I think

[spring bough]

I went grip and verse embellish. Prob going double verse embellish tho

[alpine tinsel]

does solo shuffle count for the rated arenas quest or nah

[potent pivot]

ye

[warped gate]

The one that specifically says you gotta be in a party? Nah.

[warped gate]

Gotcha, thanks. Kinda sad we won’t use tier though, that’s so anti-hype.

[potent pivot]

wait which one are we talmbout

[alpine tinsel]

lol whoops

the earn 1500 honor in rated arenas quest

[potent pivot]

i guess this one doesn't work from shuffle

that's kinda dumb

[warped gate]

Yeah, they want you to do 2’s or 3’s.

I didn’t complete that quest for all of Dragonflight.

My misanthropic ass doesn’t wanna deal with people.

[alpine tinsel]

LFG is so sad atm haha

[potent pivot]

@heady swift made this awesome guide on what to do when getting started this week and offered to let me post it, so here it is.

[alpine tinsel]

I only did with irl friends but since its first of the season I figured I'd take a crack at it

[warped gate]

Thanks.

[heady swift]

Btw people who dont want to farm sparks of war the ol "lagfest" method.... just loot these; https://www.wowhead.com/object=241838/disturbed-earth

5 sparks per you are legit done in less time vs the lagfest

[spring bough]

This is the way if you don’t wanna wpvp other players

So many of those dirt piles too lol

[heady swift]

Right... super easy and I was done in like 3 min max

[lime oar]

The world quests also give 10 each I think

[vague comet]

man im not doing well on assa at all

the damage is just not there

hm

[candid tide]

how do we get this to ilvl 636 in pvp ?

with the thing in the honor vendor right?

[heady swift]

yes https://www.wowhead.com/item=210233/forged-gladiators-heraldry with these

[heady swift]

but i think you mean 639

[candid tide]

true

[candid tide]

should we get forged warmonger?

[heady swift]

Like the war mode stuff so "forged warmonger" is an easy way to fill spots you cant get to 639 for the time being. Just for more stats etc

[candid tide]

gotcha

dang gotta do wpvp stuff then

[spring bough]

I’m gonna craft all honor gear later. Then upgrade it to conq down the road. Gonna start with neck and rings

[candid tide]

heraldry cost 175 cq

[heady swift]

Nah just do the sparks quest for 1k bloody tokens and you are almost at cap (1350) for this first week

[candid tide]

hmmn mby ima just copy nahj gear i guess

[heady swift]

scroll up and just do some WQs and loot disturbed earth

[candid tide]

k ima do that 👍

[heady swift]

ez 100 sparks in like 3 min or so

[candid tide]

aye

[alpine tinsel]

we have really low mastery at the moment, it'll get better which gearing + chants as the price comes down

[vague comet]

what do i do with my conq shoulder someone said you have to put it thorugh some shit in the middle of the city? NVM changed to tier

[last jasper]

Weird. Both whazz and nahj went for double lining vers instead of grip

[lime oar]

How do you get the pvp quest that gives heraldry’s? I’ve done a bunch of shuffle and haven’t had it come up

[restive hemlock]

You should get it the first time you win a BG/arena etc. You'll get a quest item out of those chests you get for winning.

[last jasper]

both times got it from epic bg while doing weekly

[alpine tinsel]

same

[candid tide]

i got a heraldry that getse to 613 only

[spring bough]

Grips up 25% of the time overall. Lining was up 75% for me. 753x2 up 75% I’d think is better than 1k that reduces over 30 seconds and only up 25%

[last jasper]

fair

[spring bough]

I gotta figure out if I can recraft without an embelish lol

[heady swift]

Its not from the chest, its an item you get which spawns an auto quest

look at the pinned picture

you get a green item

[candid tide]

oh insnae

[spring bough]

How’s the blitz’s going

People already 1800+ in it wild lol

2100s in 3s too. Blizz def got the mmr bs right for this season start lol

[forest compass]

how to burst as a sub rogue/

[surreal barn]

Mine didn’t show up till I touched some grass yesterday

Logged back in and it was there

[candid tide]

dude cq gear and bloody token gear are same level

[spring bough]

Took me 6 ques

[candid tide]

for big macabre: shadow blades/cheap/strike/dance/symbols+tea/strike/rupture/sepsis/secret-tech/cheap/ and finish of the remaining seconds of dance with strike and evis

for quick burst: shadow blades/cheap/strike/dance/symbol+tea/sepsis/secret-tech and spam strikes and evis

these can be done without shadow blades and symbols+tea if you dont have or wanna preserve cds

[peak jolt]

how do you get sparks from those piles? Tried 3 now, not one spark :S

[candid tide]

its the purple ones on the ground

they dont show up on minimap

[peak jolt]

yyeah, those are the ones I'm opening

[candid tide]

weird ive got sparks from all of them

watch for warcrates and wq give sparks too

[last jasper]

Went through all of them. Still 50 sparks short

[peak jolt]

oh. my q says iusle of dorn

rip

[candid tide]

yeah its only in dorn

u cant get sparks in other regions

[peak jolt]

oh, there are piles like that in dorne too?

[candid tide]

if im not wrong

[candid tide]

ya

[peak jolt]

ahhh gotcha

[last jasper]

If u on eu. It way faster to just go wq

[peak jolt]

I see. What are these embellishments btw?

[topaz bobcat]

rerolled mage for a week (or season if no nerf)

let's go gonna farm rogues

[spring bough]

Purple one on the ground. Gotta be on the isle of dorn

[mild viper]

hey guys, I am new returnee, what does "season maximum 1350/1350" means? that I cant get any more this season or just this day/week?

[spring bough]

For the week that’s the max. Then it inc each week. Not sure on the token one

[outer sky]

You can't get any more this season so far. The cap will increase weekly

[spring bough]

Conq is 1600 then 600 every week

[mild viper]

Ah okay, thanks

[abstract breach]

Hi fellow stabbers

What should I first spend my conquest on?

obv not weapons since we've got the Q

[restive hemlock]

A lot of people are actually crafting weps with their heralds

[mild viper]

how do I use the craft pvp materials? sth like "forged gladiators heraldy"?

[quaint cedar]

ugh I get so indecisive with early gearing

and no one is playing outlaw so there's not many people to copy from

[candid tide]

oh nice 9x glad heraldry

im set

[spring bough]

Top outlaw is all mastery, no crack and rocking gsw 😂

Wild choices but I guess it’s working for them

[mild viper]

can u explain how to use this? Do I have to craft the geawr and then activate it?

[candid tide]

win one bg and u get 9 ppieces

[mild viper]

yeah I got 9

[candid tide]

not sure

[quaint cedar]

yeah I saw that. I'm so confused lol

[candid tide]

but think maybe if u apply the item to ur gear it will turn into 639 in pvp

[mild viper]

cant apply it sadly, think it must be used while crafting or sth

[quaint cedar]

no shot we actually want mastery? it still seems so bad

[spring bough]

I’m just making sure I have 25% haste stealthed. Then verse, and a mix of mastery and a lil bit of crit. MG doing 175k crits with around 29% mastery at pvp ilvl

[candid tide]

yeah think u should apply at the crafting npc iirc

[spring bough]

Seems pretty good around 20-30% at pvp ilvl. Avg crit on mine is 100k or so does like 8% of my overall

[safe pelican]

Had to retire the day 1 push at 1300 last night boyz , got tired 😔

1800 will be secured today

[quaint cedar]

yeah I'm thinking I'll just prioritize haste first and then go from there. hopefully there will be more people to copy by then lol
I have 0 creativity when it comes to gearing

[quaint cedar]

can you get to that amount of mastery while still getting enough haste?

[spring bough]

I have 25 haste, 27 verse and I think 23 mastery or so right now with pvp ilvl and in stealth. Crit is like 13% lol

[heady swift]

yea you need to click on the yellow text (if its not showing isle of dorn) for the correct map. If you go north you will find about 8 and down south as well . Do 2 WQs or so and done

[candid tide]

is there anywhere else we can earn heraldy besides spending CQ points

glad heraldy

[heady swift]

Nope, just from that starting quest

its like the starting quest from DF all over again which gave those trophies

[safe pelican]

Cost me like 60k to craft my boots , absolute nonsense

Crafters are up this round

[heady swift]

got dagger made for like 1500 gold and boots as well lol

[safe pelican]

Must be nice

[spring bough]

What I’m rocking right now

[heady swift]

are you using low grade materials?

[candid tide]

guess nahj spended 150 cq a heraldy and upped his boots or some

cause he got 2 pieces of algari to epic

[heady swift]

Nahj got boots and dagger, whaaz got helmet and dagger. Both can be done

you can craft 2 this week

[candid tide]

aye gotcha

[heady swift]

60k sounds like the best PVE item price or high grade price (ilvl)

[safe pelican]

Nahhh i just got the dusk lining emblessihment as well

[spring bough]

60k?? Bro go get ur gold back

[safe pelican]

Anti poor

[spring bough]

2500 public order and my gear was filled within 5 min

[safe pelican]

Noooo you fools 60k in total mats

I’m not paying a crafter over 500 gold

[spring bough]

The dusk thing was like 2k for rank one

[safe pelican]

Mine was 34k or something like that on Tich

You’re giving me low pop server vibes

[heady swift]

OEFFF..

ravencrest its like 2-3k

[spring bough]

I’m on tich

I didn’t spend more than 10k crafting the verse embelish item lol

[safe pelican]

Sinnen i know you’re on the game rn lol

Screenshot it from the AH

Tier 3 dusk lining

[spring bough]

I’m at work lol

[safe pelican]

Liar you don’t touch grass don’t you fib to me 😂

[spring bough]

Yeah but you don’t need tier 3 it don’t matter the quality for PvP items lol

Bought all R1 mats lol

[safe pelican]

Oh wow i thought we always needed the top tier for the best quality

Rip

[spring bough]

Only for PVE

[safe pelican]

Lesson learned 🫠

[spring bough]

Anyone know if you can recraft and remove an embelish? Lol

Or am I stuck w wep grip for now

[safe pelican]

Stuck

[outer sky]

You need the tier 3 missive right?

[safe pelican]

I did that last season

Unless they changed it

[candid tide]

so theres no diff between q1 and q3 dusk lining for in pvp?

[safe pelican]

I think you at least need the tier 3 missive that makes sense

[spring bough]

Pretty sure you don’t need r3 for any of the PvP crafted. Only need it for pve if you’re going for higher ilvl

I did R1 missives too

[safe pelican]

But wouldn’t the tier 1 missive give you less stat ??

Oh ok

Nvm

[spring bough]

I don’t think it does?

[candid tide]

in df there was a diff

[outer sky]

I thinknit does

[spring bough]

Maybe I fked myself lol

[outer sky]

Think it*

[safe pelican]

Yea in df there was a difference

[spring bough]

Might be a diff on pve level

Shouldn’t be on PvP

[outer sky]

If there's not then they changed it

[safe pelican]

I’ll have to dig when i get home but i think you are right about the embellishment and yea what starlink said

[spring bough]

Day one some crafter yelled at me to not buy r3 mats for pvp

I spent so much in a R3 wep grip to test on that green honor gear lol

[lime oar]

I have kids all I do is touch grass. I play maybe 1 hour a day if I’m lucky

[heady swift]

Higher tiered materials will probably also translate in a higher crafting cost (dont have to be like that)

So pretty much it shouldnt matter, higher tiered materials will make the recipe "less difficult" for a crafter and that's it

[candid tide]

k trust

ima buy q1 mats for this algri dagg

[surreal barn]

Thank you for repopulating the earth

Have them roll heals please 🙏

[last jasper]

In df there was no dif what rank mats are you using. It scales from ilvl and pvp gear is always maxed

[wintry dew]

True

[torpid swan]

i dont get it.. why are ppl crafting weapon?

just sweaty?

[candid tide]

lmao

[worthy crag]

better stats

[candid tide]

sweaty for me fs

[torpid swan]

well yea but u fall behind when we get weapons week 3

so they wanna tryhard first 2 weeks right

[worthy crag]

ur half right cuz those daggers will be replaced by crafted eventually

[candid tide]

its algari weapons not cq weaps so wont miss out on cq points

[torpid swan]

oh wtf

good call

[worthy crag]

you still use conq heraldry

so ur still sacrificing another conq slot you could have made

[candid tide]

yeah but isnt cq weaps alr epic

[foggy void]

can u convert a crafted pvp piece to tier

[worthy crag]

so on week 3 if someone made boots or ring w.e with the heraldry instead of weap theyll be a slot ahead

[candid tide]

idg it

do we need to spend glad heraldy on cq gear?

[worthy crag]

glad heraldry scales to the same ilvl as cq gear

[lime oar]

I would never condemn them to that fate

[worthy crag]

and ur given a few free heraldry the first week

so if ur using heraldry to make a duplicate slot ur losing out

[candid tide]

ah yeye

save it to spend on accesoires in week 3 right

cause ull get cq weaps then too

[worthy crag]

you can spend it in week 1 but most people just chose to make dagger

including myself

since mastery is missing on conq dagger anyway

[last jasper]

Why week 3 if it 2500 conq. And we have 1600 week one.

[candid tide]

nahj made it

whaazz made daggs too

[steep kiln]

can just snag the outlaw weapons instead if you craft the dagger

[worthy crag]

1600 + 800 + 800

[last jasper]

Cuz they play sub. Idk why would you need crit daggers when you can have both mast

[last jasper]

Right. My bad

[candid tide]

it not really a thing to be a slot behind in week 3 either right

[last jasper]

Wep gives the most upgrade and it has bis stats. Behind how?

[candid tide]

cause if you make Algari daggs 639 now

[restive hemlock]

and you can get minimal mats for weps too right?

[candid tide]

and then week 3 ull get cq weaps for free

ud miss out on glad heraldy

[last jasper]

Which you don’t need

[maiden siren]

do we not get rating yet from SS and Blitz ? I've won both but still at 0cr

[restive hemlock]

just enchants/gems are rank 3 iirc

[candid tide]

fr? algari is as gud

[spring bough]

Healers getting blasted last night. I’d never heal a day in my life 😂

[lime oar]

Getting worked and verbally abused lmao

You gotta be a masochist to heal in shuffle

[last jasper]

Yep. And comes with bis stats

[spring bough]

Can’t do the verbal stuff anymore not tryna get banned 😂

[candid tide]

insane! gotta get it then

[restive hemlock]

what embelishments is assa runnin?

[steep kiln]

apparently not the dagger one

[tame umbra]

can i have 2 duskthread lining?

[steep kiln]

saw the icy veins guide got updated saying x2 duskthread linen is the best for assa. didn't look at sub or outlaw yet

[candid tide]

dude there are no blacksmith to be found

[mild viper]

what kind of embellishments would be good for pvp-crafted items?

[jolly sierra]

i always insult ppl back in pvp and im expecting being silenced for the next day lol

[candid tide]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/whaazz
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/nahj
copy from either of them

[jolly sierra]

but nothing happened so will still flame mean ppl lol

[spring bough]

Yeah I can’t anymore. I lost my acct w sïnnen on it because of that

[jolly sierra]

god dammit wellinth

how far u went?

[spring bough]

Can’t even tell people they are trash. They mass report for that and the bots get you on that too

[jolly sierra]

fkn snowflakes

[mild viper]

where do I see the embellishment there?

[spring bough]

I mean when I started DF S1 I was doing the Carlos Mencia line on people and I toned that down into trash and that isn’t even acceptable either

[candid tide]

legs and head i guess

belt

search them up in ah and look them up on wowhead

to see if they give the same as on their gear

[last jasper]

salut

[jolly sierra]

hola egotist

[jolly sierra]

oof

ppl even said racist stuff to me

[mild viper]

okay thanks

[jolly sierra]

and told them were trash for being bad players if they were unable to reach my xp and talk for my nationality

[spring bough]

I’ve seen people say worse than me and then see them a few days later meanwhile I’m silenced lol

[jolly sierra]

the K word?

yeah ive received that too

[spring bough]

All kinds of stuff lol

[last jasper]

k word?

[jolly sierra]

if we say that here we will call the cops

[last jasper]

😄

[jolly sierra]

so better dont indagate too much about that word lol

[last jasper]

they are gonna bust me anyway 😄

[jolly sierra]

dont

[vocal surge]

Mfw I forgot it's Wednesday

And not Thursday which is when class starts

[spring bough]

I get the stomach butterflies when I see an email on the acct I used for my new one. Then it’s whew when it’s not blizzard lol

[spring bough]

Time to game all day

[jolly sierra]

oh boi

when i received my 1st ban was like that

[vocal surge]

Hoemwork

[spring bough]

Atleast the blizz accts mogs and achieves are linked to the email now and not the original acct

[vocal surge]

M0s and Bountfiul delves

[spring bough]

If I lost all that I woulda cried lol

[vocal surge]

Before I can PvP

Need ilvl 605 before raid starts

[spring bough]

I was even able to transfer currency from the banned accct to the new chars something they’ve prob overlooked 😂

[last jasper]

first day of the season. Shuffle 20 min q, blitz 14min

[candid tide]

how much did u guys tip for the Algari Daggers?

[jolly sierra]

its something

so u still have ur 2k4 achiv

[jolly sierra]

i knew a guy which was always toxic af in world chat

in a moment i knew the fucker was permabanned and begged to get some stuff back

[spring bough]

Yes all that matters

[mild viper]

Do we get Tierset for pvp?

[last jasper]

whatever you want. you can tip 100g. ppl still would craft cuz they need crafting points

[candid tide]

nahh xD

aye les give it a try then

[spring bough]

I gotta get home before these leaderboards update try and get to 2k on solo 😂

[jolly sierra]

i barely have time cuz i have a job rn

but im thinking in quitting seriously

[spring bough]

I play from like 6pm till midnight cause I no life it after work lol

[jolly sierra]

dude a fkn old hag in my SECOND DAY tossed me a juice box w the size of a toilet paper instead just leaving it in the table

i know u need to go fast but cmon use ur arms dont be disrespectful

[indigo hill]

How do you get the Weapons of Conquest quest?

[spring bough]

Conquest vendor

[jolly sierra]

in the third week of the season

it will be unlocked

[spring bough]

Get it before you earn any conquest too

[indigo hill]

Nice, ty.

[spring bough]

Need 2500 earned to turn it in

[vague comet]

do we buy pants for token?

nvm i just found we do

[mild viper]

can u tell how to get the tokens?

[spring bough]

So far top outlaws I seen drop crackshot. Get the MG talents. And go GSW. They even dropping Stam talent 😂

[vague comet]

1600 rating = token

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce CQQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwDAMDmZGzYwMzwMmxYYmZMzMtNjZZGAAAAAAstMMjHYmZmNmZZMAAAAMjZgBz2sZmZGNzswsxy20CLGA

Fellow outlaws what are your thoughts on this

[candid tide]

would u guys pay 2k gold for a algari piece?

[jolly sierra]

420,69 for the craft

[candid tide]

is that what u paid for or is that the average price?

[quaint cedar]

cursed

[spring bough]

Every outlaw over 2k running that pretty much lol

It’s wild to me idk

[quaint cedar]

honestly we only have 1 guy doing it and there's so few outlaws on the ladder right now there's not enough data

dude there's only 1 guy above 2k on outlaw lol

[spring bough]

The 2.1k on 2s outlaw doing the same build

I see that for maybe trickster not fatebound with KS. Gonna try it later for the giggles

[quaint cedar]

I don't even see any 2.1k outlaws

also been watching Kalvish's vod from yesterday and he was running crackshot

[jolly sierra]

paid, always do that for the order

[spring bough]

Dcria is 2102 on 2s

[dawn lion]

what did u guys buy with bloody tokens?

[candid tide]

aye

[light phoenix]

belt and cloak

idk what to buy with conq though

[dawn lion]

thanks boss

[light phoenix]

shoulders + boots?

then heraldry with the rest

[quaint cedar]

what site are you using?

[spring bough]

He’s on murlok

[quaint cedar]

idk what you're talking about. his current CR is 1593 and 2100 is his peak

[spring bough]

Why the hell does murlok do that lol

[worthy crag]

got clickbaits from yall thats why

[quaint cedar]

I think murlok gets messed up a lot in the beginning of the season

[spring bough]

Yeah ima just keep doing my thing lol

Get trick all over that murlok page

[mild viper]

so we buy conquest shoulders and use catalysts to transform them into tier-piece?

[torpid swan]

how come nahj didnt pick up embellishment on chest piece?

[forest compass]

anyone teach me how to delet ppl as a sub/

[light phoenix]

yes go to main menu and press delete character then type delete in the confimation box

[forest compass]

lol,

i ment more how to slaughter endles nerds

[spring bough]

Oh I remember the days “alt f4 you’ll win” in BGs and people would do it 🤦‍♂️

[candid tide]

shoulders + legs cost 1575cq in total, how did nahj got his boots to 639 also since we get only 9 Glad Heraldry and need 1 more to get boots also to epic

[steep kiln]

Any tips against rsham/frost mage. Seems tough rn

[spring bough]

Boots are 4 to craft I believe. Belt is 4. Bracers are 3. Wep is 5

I crafted a wep and belt yesterday w the conq heraldry so I have 0 now lol

[candid tide]

mby ur right lemme double check

[spring bough]

Helm is apparently 4

But that sounds bugged

[candid tide]

nopes it needs 5 heraldry

so we short of 150 cq to get another heraldry

[gloomy crescent]

should we craft dragger with main stat?

[spring bough]

Gloves 4 then I think. Idk how he did that then lol

[candid tide]

yeah weird

cause i did daggs and that one cost 5 heraldry

so 4 left

if he bought another heraldry for boots which cost 175 cq

then he wouldnt be able to buy both cq shoulders and legs

cause 1600 cq cap

[spring bough]

Oh you can get conq heraldry randomly from conq strong boxes

Probably got lucky and got one to drop

[steep kiln]

Don't you get legs from hitting 1600. In the mail

[candid tide]

ah ye that would be possible then idd

[spring bough]

Yeah 1600 is free any tier

Best to take a 875 cost like the helm chest or legs and save conq

[candid tide]

ah i see, didnt knew that thanks for the info

[steep kiln]

It looks like they bought shoulders/trinket +1 heraldry. I could be wrong though

[candid tide]

ye the guy alr hit 2.1k

[muted abyss]

holy shit these 20+ minute queues. is pvp really dead?

[steep kiln]

Ya healers all at work

It's over

[last jasper]

What work? It’s 10pm in eu

[indigo hill]

In my eu it's 19:35.

[steep kiln]

10pm = bed time for work the next morning for these dad healers

[spring bough]

Healers out here protesting for that one major DF change to be reverted lol

[indigo hill]

Will be 23:00 for me.

Maybe a bit earlier if I'm very tired.

[rain crown]

frost mages are such an abomination right now

[last jasper]

lmao. went from 20min to 4m

[jolly sierra]

ppl wanna a challenge w u

[spring bough]

First ques took me about 20-25 last night then it would be 10 or less

Ratings climbing fast in solo shuffle it’s crazy. Went 1200 to 1700 in one lobby

[candid tide]

DK

[spring bough]

DKs melt so fast. Monks give me probs lol

[lime oar]

6 dubs?

[spring bough]

Possibly yeah lol

[lime oar]

Nice

[rain crown]

dks just do alot of damage

frost just dont let you play

[spring bough]

Frost is infinite cc

[jolly sierra]

dk is pretty counterable as a rog

luckily

[spring bough]

How much do we need to pay blizzard for maneuverability to break roots again

[jolly sierra]

si

[spring bough]

I’ll foot some cash for that cause

[indigo hill]

Everyone and their mother is playing frost mage. Hope they do some rework on that spec.

[mild viper]

ah so its not a me problem that without cloak I am constantly rooted and shit :I

[spring bough]

Have you dealt with the insane amount of roots?

Feel like I can only move when grapple, step or vanish is up

Sprint does nothing

[indigo hill]

Of course, by standing there like a frosty bitch. 😂

[steep kiln]

Rsham/frost mage was super frustrating to play against imo

Roots on roots + healer getting interrupted all day was rough

[spring bough]

I’ve started training certain healers

Resto sham and mistweaver all day long don’t even leave them in solo

[indigo hill]

I think cc needs some changes. Fears don't break and roots keep you in place most of the game.

[lone anvil]

What's up everyone

[waxen meteor]

well i guess frost + heal is always super difficult for us or any melee + healer combo

[steep kiln]

Does seem tough, especially if your opener is sub par

Like your rdruid getting knocked out of stealth 😭

[waxen meteor]

Homies, is there any usage of the green honor badge (to craft 613)

i mean obviously unless you try to craft the 613s

which i believe makes no sense when 626 option is there..

[snow schooner]

any assassins want to teach me the way im struggling at 1400 this season dragon flight got like 2k + each time

[lone anvil]

I also need pointed the way of some basics. Like a few good addons to use and a basic build to start with.

I'm a returning player player and haven't played since 2012/Cataclysm

But my desire is to get into rated pvp after I improve and get acclimated to the game again

[orchid plinth]

Check pins for some addons and look what they do

[waxen meteor]

if you reach 2k in df each season, i think you are basically alright, obviously still rooms to improve but you got the basics

[lone anvil]

Preciate

[waxen meteor]

right now everyone starts from 1500 mmr

meaning you may run into some pros in 1500 range

[hexed blaze]

is the duskthread lining embelishment bugged?

[waxen meteor]

so it's not easy

[spring bough]

Checkout skill capped it’ll setup all the addons that you’ll most likely use for PvP

[lone anvil]

Skill capped the YouTuber? He has a video out on addons?

[craggy silo]

I read the gearing faq but still feel unsure, do we have a best path for buying gear?

[spring bough]

I think it’s in the pins. Yeah probably that guy

[lone anvil]

Bless your heart for the help gents 🙏🏼

🫡

[snow schooner]

yeah mostly palyng with herop tallents

[candid tide]

@potent pivot hey what did u explain again on shadow blades doing more dmg if u sit on it a few secs before dancing on a target?

i cant find any talent that does that for shadow blades

[hexed blaze]

Dusk thread lining seemingly not worth it on its own? is this embelishment actually good? need 2?

thats the difference of vers between my honor piece and my crafted

[lapis escarp]

ye, it's bad

[hexed blaze]

a bit lacking not gonna lie

why is it recced everywhere by everyone lmao what else is good

[waxen meteor]

i am a bit lost, so is it possible the embolishment boosts only 21 vers

[hexed blaze]

between the single piece yes its a 21 vers difference.

between honor and crafted epic

[waxen meteor]

i think then you miss the other stats

honor can be a bit more vers and a bit less mastery for example, depends on the piece

crafted pc is normally 50/50 on vers/mastery

[surreal barn]

lol last seasons boot enchant is better

[waxen meteor]

then with additional boost on vers with 80%+hp

[hexed blaze]

well the missive is 5050

[surreal barn]

No one is running it

[hexed blaze]

which ones that

[waxen meteor]

you mean the blue lining?

[surreal barn]

Plainsrunners breeze

Better than the shit stam you get

[waxen meteor]

oh you mean the hp enchant

[surreal barn]

Boots

Yup

Prob why it’s 8k on AH

[waxen meteor]

tbh i am not sure how much does 210-250 running speed change

[lapis escarp]

if you lil bit confused the buff from embellishment still on even if you take off the item

[waxen meteor]

sounds like a bug

[hexed blaze]

no it isnt

[waxen meteor]

i guess if you can just screenshot full stats

[hexed blaze]

its not on my buff bar

[waxen meteor]

we can check together, i did the vers one, mostly because other ones don't seem to be any good

probably just additional 20k gold for fun 😦

actually just 6k

so not bad

[hexed blaze]

wait it is now on my buff bar

[lapis escarp]

one is w/o and one is w/ emb

[waxen meteor]

yeah RVD one looks more real

rogue's one looks broken in some way

it's not big anyway

[lone anvil]

What professions do you guys think are best for Assass rogue pvp? Any suggestions

[hexed blaze]

its identical bro but hes right ts staying on my character even when its unequiped

which makes you think its barely effecting it

it functions

[lapis escarp]

wdym identical?

[hexed blaze]

was responding to @waxen meteor he wanted me to share stats cause he said yours looked correct but its displaying the same thing its just my vers stat is showing values of the enchant on when its in my bag

yours is updating mine wasnt

your vers #

[lapis escarp]

it's a bug, buff persists even if you unequip the item that's it

anyways 1% embelishment and it doesnt seem to scale in pvp

with ilvl

[waxen meteor]

we have similar bug last season with bluelining

it's especially buggy when you have double bluelining

you essencially need to un-equip and equip a few times...

[spring bough]

What addon is that

[forest compass]

what ger get first for blody token/

[waxen meteor]

i went for wrist + big mastery cloak

both with primary stats and you can get 2 pieces

other options are probably chest single piece (that will be replaced by set one day, likely)

or weapon single piece

For conquest i feel shoulder + trinket is best, and craft a honor ring

[tight veldt]

Wrist belt tokens, shoulders conq, weapon boots crafted is what I'm thinking, and idk bout other conq piece yet tbh

[orchid temple]

"buy legs for token from 1.6
shoulders and helm from conquest vendor
use "heraldies" on something else. (Get if from PvP quests). I am assuming this is crafting.
Go craft.. through public orders... which pieces? (Vers-> Mastery). Use tier 1 ingridiesnt cuz high ones useless for pvp.
Bloody tokens spend on what?
wpvp daggers until week3. (You have to get lucky and get the daggers from wpvp queests?)"

someone posted this earlier, any updates on what to buy with bloody tokens etc?

[hexed blaze]

you wanna get wrist and waist

pretty sure

cause the waist in shop for conq is haste and the only mastery is the bloody token waist

[orchid temple]

just searched some more, 2 others said belt/cloak before

[tight veldt]

This

[forest compass]

i have daggers from pvp quest

legs for blody tokens/

[warped gate]

Wait, we can only craft the green shit like second class citizens for PvP?

No wonder I wasn't able to find where to put the shit to upgrade it.

[spring bough]

If you use the conq heraldry it’ll turn it into 606 most likely but u can’t upgrade it

Can upgrade the conquest gear tho that’s champion level

[lone anvil]

Is Jewel crafting/enchanting meta for PvP still from a max stats perspective

[orchid temple]

is this optimal gearing atm? i see on reddit some ppl saying he messed up

(about crafting dagger) "Secondary stats on weapon are not even a 1% difference in damage. He wasted his conquest. The only advantage he gets is the dps stat for 2 weeks, then falls behind everyone else week 3 and beyond."

if not, what changes to make?

[hexed blaze]

prob dont craft a weapon cause get 2 free

isntead fill a gear piece that is haste in the conq shop or crit with mastery changes

for ex boots

[lone anvil]

What professions do you guys personally use for PvP and why

[hexed blaze]

Spend the heraldy on boots for sure with emelishment

[waxen meteor]

if you take helm from conquest, basically means you leave with the haste trinket

i think it's quite optional

[orchid plinth]

Engineering + Something because I think the game still is Vanilla and Goggles are cool.

[lone anvil]

If you're a gnome warlock or mage, absolutely , because aesthetics

But I'm an orc rogue sadly

So doesn't matter

XD

Gnome casters with goggles are such a fucking vibe

[orchid temple]

so helm & haste trinket with conq?

nothing else?

[waxen meteor]

no... i mean you basically gonna take shoulder for sure

to have mastery piece

[spring bough]

Anyone know if these tinker slot on effect items work in rated??

[waxen meteor]

the remain you go with either helm or trinket

helm -> better primary stats, more flat increase since head is a big piece

trinket -> reduce haste from your stat and get crit and better burst

[orchid temple]

oh i see, ty

[waxen meteor]

choice is between hem and trinket

for blood token (wrist/belt are both bis, cloak is also very nice), so take any 2 of the 3 are probably gonna be fine

[hexed blaze]

I have 900 conquest left and not sure where to spend it.

Early on I got boots with tokens, which i shouldnt have should have went waist. In turn I embelished my waist, and then embelished my gloves too. Just cause waist comes haste with conq gear.

Idk where to spend the rest

[waxen meteor]

i think the post right above answers this...

[spring bough]

I went weps but don’t listen to me lo

[hexed blaze]

if we knew conq next week itd be better to calc it but i know head and chest become tier

[waxen meteor]

it might still be arguable if we will take 4 set for sin for example

[orchid temple]

1.6 token - LEGS
Conq - SHOULDERS + HELM (+primary) OR HASTE TRINKET (more burst)
Heraldries - ?
Craft - ?(Vers-> Mastery). Use tier 1 ingredients (higher ones useless for pvp).
Bloody Tokens - WAIST + WRIST OR CAPE
WPvP daggers until week 3?

Thanks! Mind filling in the blanks here on heraldries + craft?

[hexed blaze]

so u either go helm or trinket i guess

[orchid temple]

btw why would you pick cape if wrist/belt are bis?

[hexed blaze]

wrist belt are bis thecape is pretty pointless

[waxen meteor]

1.6 token - LEGS
Conq - SHOULDERS + HELM (+primary) OR HASTE TRINKET (more burst) __Crit TRINKET __
Heraldries - ?
Craft - ?(Vers-> Mastery). Use tier 1 ingredients (higher ones useless for pvp).
Bloody Tokens - WAIST + WRIST OR CAPE
WPvP daggers until week 3?

Craft ->
I would say craft dagger (vers/mastery at max item level) with 5 free mat + craft boot with 4 remain free mat + 1 purchase mat from conquest (quite low cost)
Craft additional mastery rings form honor can be okay
Heraldires -> I am not sure what you mean

[hexed blaze]

heraldries is craft

the ribbons

[orchid temple]

Ah oops, yep

[worthy crag]

theres a clip from nahj's twitch channel that everyone can refer to

at least for sub

like what he crafted for first week etc

[waxen meteor]

he basically did what we said above

did a bit more honor craft

[last jasper]

wtf. why crafted leather chest needs 4 heraldry and leather boots 5? 😄

[waxen meteor]

they know you won't need it

is it me or honor seems slow this season?

[last jasper]

I dont need 5 herald boots either 😄

[orchid temple]

1.6 token - LEGS
Conq - SHOULDERS + HELM (+primary) OR HASTE TRINKET (more burst) Crit TRINKET
Crafting (Heraldries) - DAGGER (vers/mast) with first 5 free heraldries + BOOTS, will need to buy 1 conq heraldry [Can use tier 1 mats, higher is useless for pvp]
Bloody Tokens - WAIST + WRIST OR CAPE
WPvP dagger for offhand until week 3

Just trying to collate for anyone else who's interested, I think the above is about right

Thanks @waxen meteor @hexed blaze lmk if I should change any

[last jasper]

I wouldn't suggest craft boots rn. wasting 175 cq

[waxen meteor]

why?

[last jasper]

5 hard = 875 cq

[waxen meteor]

you don't get a conquest boots anyway

[last jasper]

and boots cost 700

[waxen meteor]

i am lost

you got 9 free mat

you use 5 on dagger

[hexed blaze]

cause that 175 could be the difference for your ring and Enduring Bloodstone

[last jasper]

its bugged

it should be 4

instead of 5

[waxen meteor]

ah okay

if it's gonna be fixed, we can wait

[last jasper]

and chest is 4 instead of 5

[waxen meteor]

or i hope they will just refund

we will craft rings eventually anyway

[last jasper]

[ocean thunder]

What about embellishments? Do we put one on boots and one on dagger ?
It still sucks that we craft weapon when we are getting one in 2 weeks

[orchid temple]

so craft 1 vers/mast dagger & chest for now? @last jasper

[waxen meteor]

what do you mean craft chest for

[hexed blaze]

supposedly u go double duskthread on armor

[waxen meteor]

just because it's cheaper?

[last jasper]

just wait. u dont need crafted chest either

[waxen meteor]

emb -> ⁠Gearing FAQ for TWW

#pvp message

[drowsy salmon]

yo quick q, anyone got something I can refer to for keeping dps up like vids or guides or some rotation document, anythin like that, I'm coming from playing surv and I'm defo doing some shit wrong to be averaging like 2-300k dps (assa)

630 pvp ilvl rn so fairly certain it aint that

[orchid temple]

wait for rings or what?

[waxen meteor]

forget it... just craft boot....

he is saying there's a bug (possible bug) that you are spending 1 more material crafting

so potentially if it's truely a bug and blizzard decides to not refund for the bug, you lose 175 conquest in long run

[pliant spoke]

Is this standard for all 3 specs?

[waxen meteor]

probably like in 6 weeks

[waxen meteor]

No, only for sin/sub

Law -> entire different approach

[pliant spoke]

screw law lol

it's more or less been garbage except for 2 or 3 times since inception. Bring back Wrath era combat. get rid of bandits guile and revealing strike and ill main combat again

[quaint cedar]

dude combat is so boring why would you want that

[last jasper]

wdym possible? 😄 5x175

[quaint cedar]

and outlaw had several seasons of being very OP

[pliant spoke]

boring is subjective

[waxen meteor]

the difference is to use 5 or 4, so 1

[spring bough]

I’ve always wanted MG to be reworked into a new form of sword spec

Just having MH melee swing strike extra

[quaint cedar]

MG just needs a rework in general, such a lame mastery

[last jasper]

The difference is you are one item short or not 😂

[austere thorn]

Is that dude Bodymasage trollin? What in tarnation is that spec/gear as outlaw?