pvp

[worthy crag]

huh, 1500 mmr, interesting

[candid tide]

his mastery is at 59%

[waxen meteor]

Ok so fresh mmr

[potent pivot]

i linked a clip of his gear earlier

[spring bough]

Outlaw is smoking solo q

2-0 so far lol

Killed mage then healer lobby after lo

[waxen meteor]

If you get the conquest mission as outlaw what will the two weapons be

[potent pivot]

he crafted HONOR gloves

[candid tide]

how to counter outlaw with sub?

[spring bough]

Sub 9/10 beats law

[candid tide]

i got clapped yesterday xd

didnt know what that outlaw did

[spring bough]

About to 6-0 a lobby with a holy pal that goes “it’s my first day healing”. Killed him every match I’m against him and then getting him wins on my team 😂

[muted abyss]

is sub damage outside of blades good?

[potent pivot]

yes

[muted abyss]

oooh, may try it out since the stat prio is the same as assa

[waxen meteor]

I won’t call it good, more like it’s good in sub standard

Still on the low end, just not that bad

[muted abyss]

Yeah, I mean like in the past it basically did no damage outside of blades

[rain crown]

Yea everyone being equal mmr rn is a bit rough

Might wait to q shuffle til r1s climb a bit

[waxen meteor]

Fresh start is fine 🙂

It also makes the queue fairly faster

[rain crown]

Yea it’s prob overall good but not good for my win loss

[light phoenix]

are we converting honor legs to set?

[spring bough]

6-0 first lobby. Wep def for outlaw. Outlaw def getting nerfed after what I just did lol

[halcyon timber]

Orrrr healer rookie dif

[spring bough]

Where do I get this item for the 9 free conq marks

[muted abyss]

crafting table

[rain crown]

My lobbies today went 5-1 4-2 3-3 2-4 lol

[waxen meteor]

I was world pvp for blood token, did a one on one with a law. My hp went to 20% in one cheap shot

Is it normal!”?

[spring bough]

I’m lost lol

[potent pivot]

u get legs from hitting 1600

[halcyon timber]

Def a warlock fabricated story

[rain crown]

You need 1600 cr first

[halcyon timber]

XD

[potent pivot]

win games

[muted abyss]

easier said than done lol

[waxen meteor]

No valult makes the choice so easy

[potent pivot]

i thought

[halcyon timber]

We have a catalyst charge too

[muted abyss]

1.6k is gonna be full of glads this early

[spring bough]

I did and didn’t get anything

[potent pivot]

do i use rank 1 missives

for this crafted shite

[spring bough]

Going to yeah

[halcyon timber]

Whats r3 cost atm for reference?

[spring bough]

10k more

[halcyon timber]

Hm

[spring bough]

Tons of more gold for the r3 mats

[lucid citrus]

is crafting a dagger the move here?

[spring bough]

Already in another solo lobby lol

[halcyon timber]

Probably

Hell yeh wellinth

[candid tide]

Craft dagger,gloves and boots

Mastery overload

Put q1 enchants on weaps

And q3 on cq weaps lateron

[spring bough]

KS this spriest at 30% and he was gone by the time it ended 😂

[halcyon timber]

As God intended

[spring bough]

Oh fuck this a prot pally lobby

Wow

These trolls

[halcyon timber]

Game play sabotage xD

Scum of the wasteland

[spring bough]

Spriest dying every round lol

[potent pivot]

nahj just said if you're casual, don't

[lucid citrus]

lol well then

[potent pivot]

if you're going to spam play the next 2 weeks, then yes

it technically puts u behind after week 3

[outer sky]

can someone explain how recrafting works please

[lucid citrus]

whats the alternative to get then?

[potent pivot]

so if u only play a little every week, it's not worth

[muted abyss]

so what do we make?

[potent pivot]

?

[outer sky]

llike, can I recraft this to 639 without having to buy the mats again?

I kinda fucked up

[candid tide]

Why nahj always do that thumb drumming xd

[halcyon timber]

You list your work order for an upgraded desired part with the difference in mats and then a private order is made to make it

[potent pivot]

@lucid citrus @muted abyss probably helm, but don't craft it. buy it from vendor to turn into tier later.

[halcyon timber]

Hes an actual drummer is why

[candid tide]

Oh insane!

[halcyon timber]

Yeah pretty cool

[lucid citrus]

we dont want to get gloves and legs first?

[halcyon timber]

I always like watching supa play different instruments too

[potent pivot]

why gloves? what?

[lucid citrus]

my bad i meant shoulders and legs

[potent pivot]

u get a token for tier from hitting 1.6k you buy legs with that token

[candid tide]

Yeah it does looked on point when he does it

[outer sky]

how do you list it? I only have the option to make a new one

[spring bough]

4-2 on a prot pally lobby. Never did that in DF 😂

[potent pivot]

hang on

[halcyon timber]

At the work order station there should be a recraft tab like in df

[outer sky]

ah ok

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir

[spring bough]

How come I haven’t got this crafting crap from wins yet lol

[potent pivot]

you can buy shoulders and helm

what's the issue

[halcyon timber]

We can pick pocket another weapon effect as rogues btw

Kobolds drop a wax that set shit on fire

[potent pivot]

legs from hitting 1.6k

shoulders and helm from conq vendor

[vocal surge]

Bubbling Wax go brrr

Free almost 100k damage on proc effect

[halcyon timber]

Yeh been doing it since the start of expansion heh

[potent pivot]

then use your Heraldries on something else as well

[halcyon timber]

Figured worth noting if people didn’t know

[lucid citrus]

yeah its probably just beest to craft weapon later in the season so we wont be behind

[halcyon timber]

Looking for other stuff to steal too

[potent pivot]

that's the thought process yeah

[muted abyss]

holy shit duskthread lining is like 50k lol

[potent pivot]

@spring bough

[muted abyss]

for assa we are skipping tier gloves? or head?

[potent pivot]

gloves

[outer sky]

you skip all of it besides legs I think. You get more damage from the mastery you can get by not running tier than what you get from your tier

[potent pivot]

i don't think that's going to happen

most assa's are talking about running 4p

[spring bough]

3s win still no crafting

[halcyon timber]

Holy fire is the new enchant btw

[potent pivot]

it's so bad lmao

[spring bough]

How many damn wins until I get these 9 conq heraldies lol

[muted abyss]

just 1

[spring bough]

What’s the quest item called I literally don’t have it lol

[potent pivot]

most people are going 4p and no gloves

same as sub

[muted abyss]

kay, I think I'm gonna hold off on crafting anything just yet then. these prices are insane

I'll just get the legs when I hit 1.6k and buy shoulders now

we buying shoulders and on use trinket with conquest this week?

[spring bough]

Ahhh guy I’m doing 3s said he got it from the weekly

[potent pivot]

so sub yes

but assa nah

[muted abyss]

okay, what we getting for the 2nd piece for assa then? Just hold off?

[spring bough]

Monk hit my healer with a 2.5m touch of death 🪦

[potent pivot]

if you're not going to craft weapon, then either conquest vendor helm to catalyst later orrrr

[spring bough]

Cata charged today right?

[potent pivot]

maybe a chest piece?

i need to see more assa before i know for sure

[muted abyss]

kay, I'm gonna hold off then

[potent pivot]

same

[muted abyss]

I just got the bloody token waist and back for now

[potent pivot]

i'm mostly playing sub rn but i'm not going to waste conq on badge

well ig badge could work for assa too

i'll know for sure by tmrw prob

[spring bough]

Anyone heard of Qord. That’s my disc healer today lol

[muted abyss]

does the quality of the duskthread lining matter?

[spring bough]

RMP right now. This mage ice walls got so many kills lol

[potent pivot]

it's not a pvp item so probably? not sure

@outer sky what all honor heraldry shit did you do?

[outer sky]

shoulders, gloves, feet, weapons

[potent pivot]

thinking about doing chest too

but i need to check wpvp vendor

[spring bough]

Crafting all this gear I gotta go farm some gold up lol

[potent pivot]

my current chest is just 623

[potent pivot]

you didn't craft a ring?

[spring bough]

RMP vs sub affli and disc

Whose gonna win lol 😭

[outer sky]

no, my 600 ilvl rings still have more mastery

[muted abyss]

just blizz's way to get more money from tokens

[potent pivot]

600 ilvl? Tf lol

[spring bough]

Outlaw mage priest beating out the affli sub priest 🔥

[outer sky]

theres no main stat on them so its kinda w/e

[potent pivot]

I just don’t know of any 600ilvl rings

Unless you mean the 613s or w/e

Loses stam though

[outer sky]

I'm running the 500+ ilvl ones

that scale to 600 in arena

[potent pivot]

Oof fuck that

I don’t think losing that much stamina is worth what tiny extra mastery you get

But you do you ofc

[outer sky]

its like 200k hp

[potent pivot]

Yeah that’s a lot

But its w/e I’m not trying to criticize your choice or anything

Was just curious

[spring bough]

This energy redistribution embellish doing top damage for healers

I’m talking 11 million damage for this evo

Needs a nerf 😂

Evos balling out right now

[potent pivot]

nahj said it took 5 or 6 games to get the heraldries

[spring bough]

Got them finally

Now to find a crafter

[potent pivot]

i think you can just post it on the public thing

[spring bough]

Takes forever there tho lol

[potent pivot]

should get crafted pretty quickly

crafters are on their shit today

[spring bough]

Don’t think I’ve used the public thing once lol

Will have to see if I can get a low tip on that lol

[potent pivot]

took me 2 minutes to get my ring crafted

for 2k tip

[muted abyss]

any rason to get scouts march over plainsrunners breeze?

they are both 250 speed lol

[muted abyss]

did you put any embelishments on the ring?

or is it just the vers mastery 639 ilevel pvp ring?

[potent pivot]

i don't think you can put vers lining on ring

has to be a leather piece

[potent pivot]

no i just crafted an honor ring

626 vers/mast

[muted abyss]

Yeah, I just bit the bullet and paid for the boots with the vers lining

thinking of what to craft next with my conquest thingies

[potent pivot]

breeze is from last expac i think?

[muted abyss]

yeah, but it still works

I think it's like bag slots, blizz doesn't want to increase the stats on those enchants, idk

[alpine tinsel]

does the hemo effect aoe on shiv if we have the aoe shiv talent?

[potent pivot]

yes

[spring bough]

How many ret fury or fury dk or ret dk combos you think I’ve seen so far 😂

Too many lol

[worthy crag]

kinda how its been since season 1 rss of DF

[potent pivot]

fucks sake man

[rain crown]

@spring bough do you have to pick the heraldy quest up or it pop after 1600?

[potent pivot]

you don't get the heraldry quest at 1600

[topaz bobcat]

just hit 1900 rating

[potent pivot]

you get tier token at 1600

[spring bough]

Got wep filled on public crafting for 2500 lol

[spring bough]

It just came from a win no rating needed

[potent pivot]

you get heraldries after winning games

seems random

[topaz bobcat]

@outer sky where u at boi

[potent pivot]

don't start

[outer sky]

right here

[potent pivot]

with any bullshit

[outer sky]

whats up

[potent pivot]

both of you

[topaz bobcat]

sorry sir

no bullshit here

today I only carry horseshit

[potent pivot]

take it to the DMs

[topaz bobcat]

on a serious note

so crafted dagger is BIS

we don't need to wait for free one?

[graceful ravine]

what am i supposed to buy first with conq

[native glacier]

is assa running 4 pc, i assume yes

[potent pivot]

That depends on you

If you’re going to be playing a lot the first two weeks you can craft dagger

[graceful ravine]

how do i craft dagger

[potent pivot]

If you’re more casual probably wait for week 3 daggers

[graceful ravine]

me noob

[proven kayak]

I still can’t believe mage are untouched

[potent pivot]

If you’re not queueing all day everyday it’s not really worth it

[graceful ravine]

ok spoon feed me what should i make

[potent pivot]

But if you’re new I would recommend searching a video on YouTube about pvp gearing

[graceful ravine]

how long is the flag cap nowadays

4 seconds?

[potent pivot]

In blitz yes

In rgb no

[rain crown]

is there any way to keep bte from bugging out

[spring bough]

Rocking this helm. Shoulders next then chest at 1600 🔥

[potent pivot]

Don’t press it first global from stealth

[rain crown]

ah ok

[fleet notch]

So what's the definitive stat prio for sin? Seeing both mastery > haste > crit and mastery > crit > haste

[potent pivot]

Haste > crit is most likely

[alpine tinsel]

why?

[potent pivot]

Because all of our damage right now is from bleeds

It’s still vers>mast

[dull totem]

So for sub we doin Helm/Shoulders conq, 1.6k pants and callin it good? Personally waiting for free daggs. I saw talk about the badge a little earlier and threw me off -- appreciate the input from you guys just lurkin and reading btw ❤️

[potent pivot]

Then haste>crit

[muted abyss]

oh for real? time to swap out my crit pieces

[fleet notch]

So is murlok.io just outdated? Has the top players going crit over haste but idk if that's leftover from DF

[alpine tinsel]

ahh gotcha, sorry I misunderstood the original question

[fleet notch]

Relatively new to pvp

[outer sky]

is it possible to get the bloody tokens weapon tonight or do we just have to do the quests throughout the week?

[alpine tinsel]

15 min waits on bgb on launch day at prime time is kinda rough

[potent pivot]

You can get it today but not much else

[potent pivot]

Don’t look at murlok for a few weeks

[outer sky]

how? These WQs are only giving me 100

[potent pivot]

If you only play sub badge is good

[potent pivot]

Sparks weekly gives 1k lol

[fleet notch]

Okay ty

[dull bridge]

any outlaw gamers in the building? we need to talk.

[spring bough]

solo shuff ques down to like 5 min

its amazing

blitz tho is like 15min lol

getting that quick 1600 i guess

[warped gate]

Yerrrrr~

[spring bough]

what did we do lmao

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

pretty sure i just kicked a mage while locked in the coup GCD

[rain crown]

@spring bough what stats are you mainly going

[spring bough]

either that or i kicked him as it went off and it did it during the GCD lock

[dull bridge]

what are you buying/crafting this week boss

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[outer sky]

whats the best way to farm sparks

[potent pivot]

The WQs

[native glacier]

Join a sparks group in custom pvp lfg

[potent pivot]

Just kill people in the area if u already completed them

[native glacier]

worlds are very busy

[outer sky]

I just did a PvP WQ and didnt get a single one

[native glacier]

double check u accepted the quest

[potent pivot]

Did you not kill anyone

[rain crown]

wq are 10 each, pvp chests, killing people, some rares

[spring bough]

dont listen to me lol i went weps, helm, shoulders and gonna take chest from 1600

[potent pivot]

It has to be the dornogal zone @outer sky

[outer sky]

oh

are they from all WQs or just the PvP ones?

[potent pivot]

Pvp I think

Not sure

[outer sky]

theres only 1 of those lol

[potent pivot]

I never do anything but pvp WQs

[native glacier]

Used to be all they changed it

[potent pivot]

You just kill people

[outer sky]

world boss?

oh

[potent pivot]

Search sparks in custom LFG and join a group

And just farm HKs

It’s fast

[spring bough]

pretty sure i did a second kick during a gcd coup lock lol

[fallen scaffold]

so whats first embelishment for assa

duskthread

on wut slot

[muted abyss]

feet

[fallen scaffold]

word

[muted abyss]

are we taking writhing armor banding? to double the duskthread?

[spring bough]

got my saved mog ready for this elite set. 1/9 down lol

[potent pivot]

check the gearing thread

[muted abyss]

sweet, thanks!

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1282527705513853069

just take the conquest slots with a grain of salt

ill update that as soon as i can

[worthy crag]

hm im already having difficulty to imagine playing sub without dust

[muted abyss]

fury warriors seem to be easy to solo 1v1, just bleed them out and run lol

[spring bough]

on tich depths enchant r3 is 108k

r2 is 12k lol

who tf is buying any r3 ones right now r2 is only 2k behind on the tooltip

[muted abyss]

same on other servers

[dull totem]

What would you pair badge with from conq this wk? Assuming the pants from 1.6k are given regardless

[potent pivot]

shoulders then catalyst them

[dull totem]

Bet. thank you ❤️

[graceful galleon]

what gem we buying then, enduring bloodstone?

[potent pivot]

the stun DR

[graceful galleon]

do you happen to know the name of that

[steep kiln]

so you crafted ring and weapon with the heraldries?

[potent pivot]

no

i crafted an honor level ring

with blue heraldries

[steep kiln]

vers/mast instead of crit one?

[potent pivot]

ye

[potent pivot]

sec

[potent pivot]

its the enduring i think yes

[molten cloak]

do embellishments matter in pvp?

[potent pivot]

yes

we dont require sparks for them

[molten cloak]

mmh okie ty

[potent pivot]

the gear faq thread says which ones to get

[molten cloak]

yeah just debating on my first conq piece

[lime oar]

Badge

[warped gate]

I got the badge because I'm too used to how important it is for WW, my old main.

[spring bough]

ooo got my first rated blitz

only took 20 min lol

[potent pivot]

only for sub really

[warped gate]

Do we get a free piece with rating ike in DF?

[potent pivot]

yes

[warped gate]

Thanks, something to look forward to now.

[molten cloak]

Heraldry gear would most likely just get replaced right?

[worthy crag]

not really no

depends on your stat prio

but heraldy gear is still same ilvl

[molten cloak]

ah

tough

i miss sub im hating assasin in pvp

[worthy crag]

you can play sub

until november anyway

[potent pivot]

ye then play it lol

[molten cloak]

mmmh true lmao thanks

[warped gate]

What happens in November?

[molten cloak]

whatre you guys crafting with the gladiator heraldrys?

[warped gate]

I have no idea.

[worthy crag]

datamined class changes include sub losing invigorating shadowdust and sepsis talents

[steep kiln]

do i need to buy the expensive missive for the honor ring -_-

[worthy crag]

no, just spam with bronze tier mats

it scales to same ilvl in pvp instance

[steep kiln]

[warped gate]

Oh wow, oof.

Anything for us Outlaw bois?

[graceful ravine]

what do i buy with conq first

[dull bridge]

we lose shadowstep but gain a 2nd charge on hook. snd fully automatic now (dispatch gives duration not only extends duration)

[warped gate]

But.. we already have a second hook.

[dull bridge]

now you get 4

[potent pivot]

For which spec

[warped gate]

Ehhh, I can live with that. I like Hook more than Shadowstep anyway.

.. When it works at least..

[molten cloak]

sub now hehe

[warped gate]

Oh wow, papa bless that last one!

[potent pivot]

Scroll way up in here for the Nahj clip

[dull bridge]

assa is such a wheelchair spec man, spend the whole game waddling around throwing knives

[warped gate]

But man, if they didn't fix the Recuperate bug attached with it, we gonna have a bad time.

[molten cloak]

ty boss

[molten cloak]

yeah feels like poop scoop

[warped gate]

Recuperate only healed you for the initial SnD cast, so if you did it with full combo points, it'd heal you for a long while, but it would ignored the Dispatch extensions.

[potent pivot]

It’s basically buy shoulders for conquest->catalyst them, buy conquest badge. Get tier legs from 1.6k tier token. Craft dagger/chest and boots iirc

[warped gate]

So if it starts off slow with the first Dispatch and only heals you for that, that's gonna suck.

Where is all this info? I can't find anything on Wowhead.

[potent pivot]

Check the blue post logs

Scroll back almost a week

[swift smelt]

@potent pivot can you add what pieces to craft to your guide?

[dull bridge]

its in the 20th anniversary ptr patch notes

[molten cloak]

what does 1.6k tier mean sorry

[potent pivot]

I will as soon as I can

[swift smelt]

like what first i guess

[potent pivot]

You get a tier token for reaching 1.6k

[molten cloak]

oooh

[swift smelt]

since we can make any algari purple

[potent pivot]

The problem is I only know for sure about sub

[swift smelt]

ah fair enough

[surreal barn]

We still using radiant power as sub

[potent pivot]

I have to gear 2 more rogues for assa/outlaw too

[dull bridge]

man im going to be upset if i cant get outlaw weapons from the conq quest now since i accepted it as assa

[swift smelt]

why cant you be magic

[potent pivot]

Ye

[potent pivot]

Because I want to make sure I recommend the correct stuff

[swift smelt]

❤️

[fallen scaffold]

cant u upgrade crafted honor level stuff into conq?

[warped gate]

Ahhh, thanks! I kept overlooking it because I thought it was just talking about the event.

[fallen scaffold]

like u dont have to recraft/craft a different piece like in df

can just upgrade same piece all the way thru right

[potent pivot]

You can get it recrafted

[fallen scaffold]

oh its same

[potent pivot]

I don’t think you can upgrade it yourself no

[fallen scaffold]

thought i read that on reddit

maybe not

[potent pivot]

I could be wrong

But I haven’t seen anything saying that

[fallen scaffold]

yall think token prices will go up anytime super soon?

195k seems kinda low

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

They get expensive before expansions

Because people buy the expansions with gold

[fallen scaffold]

fuck it guess ill grab one. daddy needs his enchants

[potent pivot]

Can you believe that

Taiwan tokens were 1.2m gold each

Pre TWW launch

[fallen scaffold]

thatd be nice lmao

195k is so weak

w/e

still worth 20$ imo

[potent pivot]

Guess how much they are now

[fallen scaffold]

more or less

[potent pivot]

Less

[fallen scaffold]

500k

[potent pivot]

Close

About 600k

AH prices are more inflated there too though

Same with eu I think

[fallen scaffold]

god dayum

[outer sky]

Yesssss

[potent pivot]

?

[outer sky]

Its just such a nice piece of gear

[potent pivot]

Oh you got the embellishment too

Dope

The new illusion is so bad

Disappointed

Like the 3rd shitty gold illusion in 2 expansions

[outer sky]

I cant find the recraft table

[rain crown]

@potent pivot embellishments for weapons on outlaw or nah?

[potent pivot]

Probably the weapon grip but I wouldn’t craft a weapon rn

I’d just use crit and vers linings for outlaw atm

[rain crown]

im going to make a weapon because idk why

i didnt get one from wpvp

[potent pivot]

You get weapons week 3

[rain crown]

yea but until then the most important piece is missing right

[potent pivot]

It will be missing for most people

[lime oar]

What the new illusion look like anyone got a ss?

[potent pivot]

It’s dogshit

it looks like the golden dust one from DF

but even worse

[fallen scaffold]

i was wondering about uipgrading to conq because mage discord has this

Then, with honor points, you buy 4 Forged Aspirant's Heraldry and craft haste/vers boots with the Writhing Armor Banding embellishment, which will double the effect of your weapons Nerubian embellishment. You can upgrade it to conquest item lvl later.

are most ppl crafting their boot embelishment in blue/honor lvl?

[potent pivot]

that's upgrading them by recrafting

[fallen scaffold]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

for mages, probably

[fallen scaffold]

rogues onnly honor lvl crafted peice this week is a ring right

[potent pivot]

we can do more

ring is for sure though yes

getting rid of that crit/vers ring is nice

any wpvp items you're using

can be crafted with honor now

like i think i'm using wpvp chest and gloves

depending on what i use my conquest/heraldries on, i'll craft those with honor

[halcyon timber]

Sick, recrafted it ran you how much that time? I had some dude try to pm me to send him mats to make it. Sounds like a weird ticket scalper at a football game

[fallen scaffold]

the first part about embellishments in the pinned gearing FAQ is not loading for me. remind me again what weapon embelishment is called? bout to craft this dagger first i guess

[spring bough]

looks sick

[outer sky]

love it, love it

[fallen scaffold]

gaming

[outer sky]

waiting on someone to craft the bracers for me now

[potent pivot]

blessed weapon grip, if you're playing assa you might want to get wpvp dagger for now instead

[fallen scaffold]

tru tru

[surreal barn]

Joking right

[potent pivot]

i forget who plays what all i have to go off is the name color

[fallen scaffold]

ill craft bootz

[potent pivot]

nope

[surreal barn]

Ffs 🤦‍♂️

[potent pivot]

it's so bad lmao

[surreal barn]

That is why I queue man

The mogs

[potent pivot]

yeah idk what they're thinking when they put dogshit like that into the game

on the hype ass first season too

[swift smelt]

weeks cap on bloody tokens is 1350 right?

[lucid citrus]

correct

[potent pivot]

think so ye

[spring bough]

how do i que for blitz and shuffle, go downstairs fill my water come up and both popped

[pliant mauve]

I'm confused. Are we buying a tier slot with bloody tokens to convert it right away so that when we get 1600 we can have 2pc in one day?

[swift smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-dynamite-skills-gif-22925615

[potent pivot]

you buy a conquest piece to catalyst into tier

like shoulders

[pliant mauve]

ok so bloody token I can safely buy dagger or some shit?

[potent pivot]

playing sub?

[pliant mauve]

assa

[potent pivot]

probably yeah

[swift smelt]

get free weaps on week 3 tho

[potent pivot]

can also just do belt/cloak

[pliant mauve]

Yeah, I was just looking at those. Looks good. Thanks!

[fallen scaffold]

PLAINSRUNNER breeze still works right?

both 250 speed but plainsrunner is 11k cheaper on tich

[potent pivot]

the rank 2 breeze was 100g just test it lol

[fallen scaffold]

i mean i can enchant my boots ya

im just wodnering if it works in arena

still

[potent pivot]

gotta test it, idk

[fallen scaffold]

ye ima look once this q pops

this look right? just not tryna fuck up like i always do lmao

[potent pivot]

use rank 1 mats bro

[fallen scaffold]

o ya

[potent pivot]

waste of gold to use r3 on pvp gear

[fallen scaffold]

other than that tho

thats what i want right

[small oyster]

@potent pivot do they have the same stats when scaled up?

[potent pivot]

yeah

upgrading pvp gear does nothing for the pvp ilvl

it only affects the pve ilvl

[small oyster]

ah okay thanks

[potent pivot]

uhhh

tf?

[halcyon timber]

The bear was worth it

Just used blizz balance on it .

[potent pivot]

i had like 5k tender

[outer sky]

I'm offering a 5k commission to whoever makes my engi bracers for me and it's been up for almost an hour

[potent pivot]

now i've got 0

[outer sky]

no takers

wtf

[potent pivot]

i guess my rogue was bugged

on my DK i still have 5k tender lmao

[small oyster]

@potent pivot should i use the lowest duskthread and missive as well?

[potent pivot]

for the embellishments i'm not sure

[fallen scaffold]

i think they matter for those

[potent pivot]

yeah

[fallen scaffold]

prety certain embelishment one does

100%

[potent pivot]

i think the crafter has to use way more concentration

[small oyster]

ah kk

[potent pivot]

did u put up rank 3 mats

[outer sky]

yes

[potent pivot]

maybe it just costs too much concentration for 5k to be worth it

try DMing an engi directly

[vague comet]

is there a 1.2.3 guide for rogues for the most efficient pvp gearing? Or are we still figuring things out?

[potent pivot]

still kinda figuring everything out, kinda have sub figured out so far

[vague comet]

you guys playing sub or assa?

[potent pivot]

all 3

[vague comet]

I wasn't sure what to focus on tbh, im fine with the two

[potent pivot]

those two use very similar gear so

[spring bough]

rank 2 depths doing 5% of my damage

[potent pivot]

kinda fine playing both

[vague comet]

so you going for wep quest or crafted weapon?

can we trust this reddit guide about gearing? (I skipped last exp). Honestly I don't unerstand it completely https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1fds3ah/pvp_gearing_cheat_sheet/

[potent pivot]

yeah that's a decent basic guide on what to do

full bis will change a couple times over the next 2 weeks

as people figure things out

[spring bough]

1700 on shuffle lol

so wild

1298 to 1700 lol

uhhhh i didnt get this mark lol

[outer sky]

if you recraft something do enchants carry over?

[spring bough]

they do

[potent pivot]

If you recraft something and they do, I would love to see before and after screenshots

Just for clarification

I’m paranoid because some upgrades in the past have cleared sockets and shit

[outer sky]

where even is the recraft table

i cant find it in dorn

[cedar imp]

any sub rogue pvp guides?

[potent pivot]

Is it not just the public order npc?

[cedar imp]

I feel very lost and useless :D

[potent pivot]

Iceyveins has good basics

[cedar imp]

any tips while Im dead in 3v3 xdd

[obsidian plume]

be patient learning the spec, sub has a very high skill ceilling

[potent pivot]

Engrave into your mind that most of the time you are a CC bot

Outside of burst windows all you’re doing is CC and rupturing etc

[obsidian plume]

will be easier when they get rid of invigorating

[potent pivot]

I don’t think Dust does very much for making the spec more difficult in pvp

If anything it could be considered training wheels for newer players to the spec

Once we lose it the spec will become more difficult because it will be a bit worse

[outer sky]

how do I get acuity

the recraft shit

[halcyon timber]

Crafting items you haven’t before or doing the crafting quests

[potent pivot]

That’s a crafter currency but every char gets 300 free

Unless they removed that quest

[halcyon timber]

There’s an intro quest to show you stuff

Iirc

[potent pivot]

sec ill go to the npc

[obsidian plume]

that would be raising the skill floor and cutting the skill ceil, hypotetically having to win with only 1 button is easy as you dont have options neither desitions

[potent pivot]

this npc on the left

gave a quest for satchels

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that tauren lady has weekly crafter quests

[potent pivot]

the satchels had 300 acuity in them

[halcyon timber]

Can fill npc orders as well

[potent pivot]

the npc on the left's quest requires no professions

at all

[halcyon timber]

And ingenuity has refunds based on how you talent / gear

Or naturally takes 100 hours to recharge

[vague comet]

I am trying to gather all the info on gearing. I am still super confused.

• buy legs for token from 1.6
• shoulders and helm from conquest vendor
• use "heraldies" on something else. (What's that? Where do you get that?)
• wpvp daggers until week3. (You have to get lucky and get the daggers from wpvp queests?)
• Crafting. NO Idea how to do that shit. I am assuming that's part of the heraldies thingy.

[potent pivot]

u get heraldries from pvping

win a few games and u get a quest for them

u can also buy them for conquest on the vendor, but you don't need to right now

[spring bough]

1759 boys one more lobby i think

[potent pivot]

wpvp gives bloody tokens

go get the Sparks of War quest

and do it

there's a wpvp vendor

you should really look up a pvp gearing video on youtube

or something

[vague comet]

I did man.... it's still confusing maybe im just dumb

[halcyon timber]

You’re not dumb dude 🙂

[potent pivot]

it can be confusing haha

[halcyon timber]

Just new stuff is all

[potent pivot]

for sure a bit overwhelming for newer players

[vague comet]

i am not a new player just havent played last exp

[potent pivot]

you know what i mean :d

[vague comet]

im multiglad lol, I just want a fucking pvp vendor

jesus christ this game

[obsidian plume]

is also confusing for old players tired of having to learn new reinvented wheels xD

[potent pivot]

most of these systems started last expansion

[light phoenix]

i think you may just be overthinking it man

its not that complicated imo

[potent pivot]

go to the pvp area in Dornogal and pick up all the quests

[halcyon timber]

The npcs have good introductions to it all

[potent pivot]

then go do the WQs and farm HKs for Sparks quest

[halcyon timber]

Just a little bit of reading and the trial / sample stuff that has you doing it

To complete it

[vague comet]

didn't people say u dont need sparks

[halcyon timber]

Correct

Only for pve

[light phoenix]

Sparks of War quest

[potent pivot]

Sparks of War is a pvp quest weekly

[light phoenix]

its the WPVP quest

[vague comet]

oh

k

[halcyon timber]

Heraldries are the pvp equivalent except you need 4 or 5 depending on gear

The pvp quest grants 9 conquest equivalent ones

(Makes 2 pieces of gear)

[potent pivot]

@outer sky

[outer sky]

yeah found it. Thanks

[potent pivot]

it's just the same public order npc's i guess

1950 illusion btw

[vague comet]

• buy legs for token from 1.6
• shoulders and helm from conquest vendor
• use "heraldies" on something else. (Get if from PvP quests). I am assuming this is crafting.
• Go craft.. through public orders... which pieces? (Vers-> Mastery). Use tier 1 ingridiesnt cuz high ones useless for pvp.
• Bloody tokens spend on what?
• wpvp daggers until week3. (You have to get lucky and get the daggers from wpvp queests?)

[spring bough]

anyone seen the illusion yet?

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/nahj/clip/ObliqueCheerfulDragonfruitVoteNay-OcmT906laJTkAn5L???

[spring bough]

i saw someone in the 1900s

[potent pivot]

just posted a pic of it..

[spring bough]

ehhhhh

idk how i feel

[potent pivot]

there's a clip too

[spring bough]

ima have to see in person

[potent pivot]

you don't

it's garbage

[spring bough]

lol

sometimes they look diff in that preview than they do onthe weps

[potent pivot]

i saw it on weps

it's garbage

[spring bough]

sick so shadowflame it is still

[potent pivot]

looks the same as the preview window

[spring bough]

goes good with rogue elite set still lol

[potent pivot]

if you want an exact list of stuff to buy, you may have to wait a bit

the only thing i know for sure so far is sub

assa will likely be the same as sub with 2 items swapped

outlaw idk i'm going to have to gear mine before i know prob

[surreal barn]

“It’s not great”

A much more positive person than me

[spring bough]

fury melts lol

i love it

[potent pivot]

it's better than the single particle gold one we got in df or sl ider

but it's worse than the decent DF gold one

[tawdry lodge]

is it worth using ambush during stealth window or just keep spamming garrote

[potent pivot]

yes it's worth

[waxen meteor]

Guys, the Missive ** or *** don't matter right?

for pvp

[potent pivot]

none of the mats ranks matter for the pvp gear

only for embellishments and engi gear

[waxen meteor]

roger

i didn't care in DF casue the price was like peanut vs slightly biggger peanut lol

[waxen meteor]

embellishments material needs to be 3 stars?

[spring bough]

Love an 0-6 healer

Oh wait nvm gonna go 0-3 with me and leave in round four

[somber plank]

Hell yes bros

[spring bough]

We need maneuverability breaking roots back. Way too much CC in this game

[somber plank]

Played my first Solo Shuffle and I didn't suck ass

[potent pivot]

think so yes

[spring bough]

Mages can keep us in infinite roots it’s unreal

[worthy crag]

yeah not sure why that needed to be removed

[spring bough]

Literally couldn’t move unless I had vanish or step up

Or grapple

[potent pivot]

they took it from us and gave it to DKs

[spring bough]

It was awful this dude was good at it

And they have so many ice blocks lol

[potent pivot]

and blinks

[spring bough]

This dude would be like 20% hit it we’d go again and in like 15 seconds another block

Ice lance pushing a Milly for crits for them too

[vital mountain]

What did you all use your bloody tokens on, weapon?

[potent pivot]

belt/cloak

you can do weapon for assa/outlaw maybe but we get free weapons week 3

[vital mountain]

Yeah that is what I was torn between

[pliant mauve]

What did everyone use their 1600 token on. This helm seems kind of weird. Legs seem the best stat wise but idk...

losing a shit ton of vers no matter what

[potent pivot]

legs

[spring bough]

Is bombardments ability from the depths enchant?

[potent pivot]

then buy conquest shoulders and catalyst them

[spring bough]

Guess I never been buffed by it lol

[worthy crag]

god damn getting to the initial 1000 rating is the biggest fucking slug every season

[oblique root]

!craft

[potent pivot]

watcha need

[spring bough]

Wow a warrior listened when I said swap drag

Came out 1% health with a W lol

1826 boys

[spring bough]

oh nice can get the heraldry from boxes

[potent pivot]

they nerfed that

[spring bough]

didnt even know we could lol

[potent pivot]

we can still get them but they nerfed it

bloodstones drop from boxes too

oh wait

those are from strongboxes

from the vendor?

isn't that a diff box

[vague comet]

@potent pivot what pieces are u crafting?

[potent pivot]

not sure yet

internet has been so bad i haven't been able to play a single game yet

i crafted an honor ring with blue heraldries for vers/mast

i'm going to buy conq shoulders to catalyst them into tier

[spring bough]

Holy shit the PvP gloves are 4 heraldry so you can craft a wep and gloves 🔥

[potent pivot]

then i'll use my 1600 rating tier token on legs

[graceful ravine]

how do i catalyst my conq shoulders

[potent pivot]

not sure what i'll craft with purp heraldries yet

[spring bough]

Bout to make some gloves w the verse embellish

[potent pivot]

you take them to the catalyst

[graceful ravine]

wheres that

[potent pivot]

are you playing outlaw

[graceful ravine]

assa

[potent pivot]

it's in Dornogal

look it up on google

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/catalyst-the-war-within-crafting-tier-set

[spring bough]

It’s in the center right off the AH area near the mining guys

[graceful ravine]

what are you guys buying with bloody tokens

[potent pivot]

belt/cloak

maybe weapon if you're going to be playing a lot these next 2 weeks

i might craft a weapon with conquest heraldries but that's just cause i'm going to spam play everyday

if my fucking internet will get off life support

[spring bough]

This season already better than DF. Day one got helm, shoulder, chest, wep, gloves 639 and token 636 wep 😂

[potent pivot]

yeah we'll probably be fully geared in like 4 weeks max

[spring bough]

Like halfway done lol

We can craft two 639s

[potent pivot]

we won't have full bis but we'll have every slot with decent ilvl

full bis probably in like 6 weeks ish

[spring bough]

Catalyst every week or every other?

[potent pivot]

i don't even know ngl to you

that page i linked above

probably says

1 charges every 2 weeks

[waxen meteor]

what gem we gonna use?

[potent pivot]

the stun DR one

[waxen meteor]

it looks like only the 5% dmg reduction during cc?

[potent pivot]

yes

[spring bough]

kul tiran lookin a lil hefty

[potent pivot]

Lookin a lil fugly I gotta be honest

The set is dope though

[spring bough]

I like the purple smoke

[potent pivot]

Did you buy depths x2?

[spring bough]

Need a good illusion for it

Yeah rank 2. Doing about 5% overall. No crits only hits from it. 125k or so a hit

[potent pivot]

I might just bite the bullet and buy rank 3s

[sharp sierra]

assassin prob gonna be using the 2 set right? stat loss prob not worth 5% dmg to bleeds what yal think?

[potent pivot]

Buying rank 2s is a complete waste of gold for me

[spring bough]

It was 12k vs 100k for me

Ima wait

[potent pivot]

From what I’ve been seeing so far people are talking about going 4p

Having some crit/haste is not bad for assa

[sharp sierra]

ya just craft helm id imagine. bnit too much haste for a main piece id imagine while the bit of crit and haste on gloves it nice

is*

[potent pivot]

I think gloves are the piece we’re not getting

[sharp sierra]

hmm interesting. isnt crit > haste tho for assass pvp

[potent pivot]

I think that’s swapping this season

[sharp sierra]

interesting. prob cus the early xpac and such low haste values. i was considering that as well

aight think ill go w those suggestions thanks

[potent pivot]

I know the perfect one

If you don’t have the purple bfa pvp illusion

There’s another good purple one that isn’t from pvp

[spring bough]

I didn’t pvp in bfa unfortunately

[potent pivot]

Then get the Chronos illusion

[spring bough]

Will do

Aoe blind fucks up preso healers so good when they fly in

Just deleted the whole team after the healer did that 😂

Got the belt made with the verse embellish

[inland thorn]

Wait

Pvp season isn't out until next week??

[spring bough]

Enchant did 9% in this one lobby lol

yeah this depths enchant procs are pretty varied. one lobby 3% next 9% then back down to 3% overall

[warped gate]

So Outlaw bois, what piece is NOT gonna be the 4P?

I don't wanna cata the wrong piece and be all fucked up in the game.

[spring bough]

im definitely not getting the legs crit/mastery

but we prob dont even wanna use set anyways

helm is haste/mast too

2set over 6 rounds did 1.2 million lol

[warped gate]

But the 4p gives you 18% more on BtE, that sounds pretty good, right?

[spring bough]

9% its 50% effective in pvp lol

3 of the tier pieces have 0 verse

[warped gate]

Geez.

[potent pivot]

What

[potent pivot]

I don’t think outlaw take tier set at all homie

[warped gate]

Man, I wish each spec had it's own channel, wading through here is like the wild west.

The Monk Discord spoiled me.

[vague comet]

PvErs do have each their own channel, we just playing our stupid mini game called pvp that noone cares about haha

[sharp sierra]

season is out now.

[potent pivot]

yeah this channel is just too dead for that i think

[warped gate]

* Man, I wish each spec had it's own PvP channel, wading through here is like the wild west.

[sharp sierra]

wht is the pvp quest that rewards heralds? i heard it was from BG blitz but i ont see anything

[warped gate]

Edited.

[potent pivot]

just win a few games and you randomly get the quest

[warped gate]

Man, I need to get to bed, later, folks.

[vague comet]

it only works for blitz? not solo shuffle?

[potent pivot]

i think the majority of the pvp community doesn't fuck with class discords tbh

[sharp sierra]

@potent pivot ah ok guessing SS counts

[potent pivot]

all brackets count

[sharp sierra]

thanks

[spring bough]

making these engi verse bracers with the honor heraldrys lol

[potent pivot]

How much vers do you have?

[spring bough]

20,334 or 27.07% without the tinker bracers rn

[potent pivot]

You probably don’t want more than 20% maybe 25%

[spring bough]

i dont have the 3% verse talent

[inland thorn]

I'm stupid dw

[potent pivot]

Well you kinda play off meta either way so do you

Making it work either way

[spring bough]

havent got a que in 20 min... cant catch this #1 outlaw tn lol

[potent pivot]

I think a lot of people have swapped to 3s

Most people did blitz/shuffle for their conq cap and went straight to 3s from what I saw

[spring bough]

this one guys playin GSW over crackshot hmmmmmm

yeah LFG had "LF healer" x 50 on it

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[spring bough]

doing blitz since solo isnt poppin lol

[outer sky]

assa in blitz lol

[plucky escarp]

Assa is so good in blitz.

Murdering the whole team lol

I keep mistakenly Qing sub in blitz and it’s kind of miserable at times

[light phoenix]

what embel on wep?

grip?

[potent pivot]

if you're crafting wep yes, but it's generally not recommended to craft a wep this week

[light phoenix]

what are we crafting

[potent pivot]

spec?

[light phoenix]

sub

[potent pivot]

boots/x

something that isn't a tier slot

nahj did wep but he's going to be playing 24/7 before awc

[dull bridge]

crackshot is a bit unreliable

[radiant glen]

personally probably gonna wrists + belt to push 2 sockets earlier over boots

[dull bridge]

it feels really good when you get 10 aces in a row

[radiant glen]

crafting boots to swap stats obv/ just not at conquest ilvl immediately

[potent pivot]

wpvp belt

[plucky escarp]

Are we going to run the assa tier set?

[potent pivot]

think so yeah

[radiant glen]

lower ilvl

[plucky escarp]

I’m debating on using my PvP token for PvE

Ah okay

[potent pivot]

yes but for this week it's the better buy

[radiant glen]

buying wpvp gloves is same gain

it just saves u buying a 3rd socket later

thats all

[potent pivot]

should probably craft gloves then

most likely tier piece we won't run

[gilded gulch]

@potent pivot do you know how many games you get the quest that gives you the heraldries?

[potent pivot]

5-6 i think

seems random

[gilded gulch]

was it any bracket idr

i never checked

[potent pivot]

think so

[gilded gulch]

i thought it was first win of the season but maybe im wrong

[outer sky]

@potent pivot theres absolutely no point in running 2 weapon grip embellsihments right?

[potent pivot]

you're the one that told me it didn't stack on beta

[outer sky]

the stats dont stack

for sure

100%

i'm curious about the proc rate though

[potent pivot]

the proc dmg ain't worth running 2 for

[outer sky]

damage?

I'm talking about the embellishment

[potent pivot]

i'm thinking of radiant

[outer sky]

ye

[potent pivot]

i think the safest bet is vers lining

but if you want to test, by all means

lemme see if i can find out

[outer sky]

you said the PvErs are only running 1 right

[potent pivot]

i also need to find out about depths

the pvers aren't running it at all now

[outer sky]

whatre they using

[potent pivot]

sec

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[outer sky]

ok im not running the crit thing

I need to find out if theres any point in running 2 grips

[potent pivot]

ill try to find out later

[lilac karma]

outlaw pvp stats are haste vers right?

[grave basin]

Any gamers doing week 1 crafted weapon ?

Apparently you can only put an embellishment on a crafted weapon?

[outer sky]

correct

[grave basin]

So blizzard is clowning us ?

By giving a weapon we can't put an embellishment on ?

Aren't they really good ?

Like the most impactful

[potent pivot]

that's only for the grip

no?

[potent pivot]

haste to 10-15%, then crit vers

[grave basin]

Wouldn't bis weapon be correct stats + embelish

So at that point youre crafting anyway

[potent pivot]

yeah but embellishment is like 2% dps if that

yeah most are just doing it later

[grave basin]

Hmmm

[potent pivot]

because crafting a wep rn puts you behind a piece of gear week 3

so atm we can go double vers lining

[grave basin]

So embellishment on weapon AND the crafted boots that 2x the embelish effect

Is only 2%

???

Cause you can craft conquest weapon with embelish and do honor boots with embelish too

[potent pivot]

2x embellishment is for Nerubian embellishments only champ

i don't think Grip is Nerubian

that's a pve embellishment thing

and tbh

we're not sure grip is even good

compared to 2x vers linings

the linings are the safest bet atm so you don't fall behind

see how this one specifies that it's Nerubian

[vague comet]

hmm pika also bought a weapon

crafted i mean

[potent pivot]

ye pika also plays all day everyday

and has awc coming up

[grave basin]

Aiges is also recommending the same thing

Same as raiku

[potent pivot]

he doesn't care if he's behind after week 3

mages

if you don't want to fall behind later, you don't craft a weapon now

if you don't care about later, go ahead

[vague comet]

kk got ya

[potent pivot]

nahj also crafted wep

but said the same thing

if you don't play all day everyday right now it's not worth

[last jasper]

what the diff if u play all day or not?

[grave basin]

Why wouldn't you use the ascension embelish ?

And use the banding to 2x the effect

Wouldn't that be bis?

[potent pivot]

because you will be behind after week 3

[potent pivot]

no

there's no point crafting a wep right now

when we get them free week 3

you're effectively wasting a gear slot for the majority of your gearing climb

[vague comet]

my perfectionism is kiling me with this gearing process

not gonna lie

at work, can't even play

any way to get sparks faster? Some WQ give it , and some not.....

[potent pivot]

kill people

[vague comet]

damn ur cruel

[celest spade]

do you get a token for tier piece again? and is there a way to get tier pieces down the line other than catalyst?

[grave basin]

Yes at 1600

[last jasper]

Kinda fcked up. Wq for 500 tokens and a spark quest with 1k when you can only have 1350

[grave basin]

It's not the elite appearance

[vague comet]

@last jasper same, can you not complete the quest then? or does it just give points until cap

[last jasper]

Until cap. But I’m already at 700 after a wq

[potent pivot]

huh

you guys had a wq for 500?

[last jasper]

yea

[vague comet]

mmm I just did a bunch of WQ and it gave me 100 each i think

[last jasper]

near weekly world boss

[potent pivot]

must be nice lmao

[last jasper]

[potent pivot]

i got my 1k from quest and still didn't cap from the WQs

[vague comet]

cap is like 1300? I mena it's 3 quests then

[potent pivot]

1350

idk i only do the pvp WQs

don't touch the regular ones

[vague comet]

those are so rare tho

[potent pivot]

nah

2 per day

more than enough lol