pvp

[summer breach]

I will start will helmet + X

[potent pivot]

you'd be behind by like an entire helm/chest/leg piece

from spending the 875 early

[summer breach]

yes I wont craft a weapon

[potent pivot]

you mainly play sub?

or assa

[summer breach]

both but more assa lately

[potent pivot]

because tier set is big for sub

[summer breach]

for assa not so much but will still go for it

since u dont lose anything from doing so

[grave basin]

Play outlaw and go 0 set

[potent pivot]

like i might craft chest/belt

to catalyst chest

then at 1600 free tier piece

for 2p week 1

[grave basin]

2p week 1 is so good

Imagine we used to live in a world

[summer breach]

Hmm why craft chest

[grave basin]

Where catalyst didn't come in till week 8

[summer breach]

if u catalyst it

just buy it 😄

[grave basin]

[summer breach]

for 875 conq and safe the mats

Also Belt / Boots from catalyst have bis stats btw

[potent pivot]

u right

[summer breach]

I think for Armor u want Bracer crafted

[potent pivot]

i'm fried

been very busy this past week

[summer breach]

• belt or boots not both

hehe

[grave basin]

Why would you ever use catalyst charges on belt

[summer breach]

after u completed the set

u will do it to get the best setup

[potent pivot]

u can just get it crafted though

[grave basin]

Interesting

Just craft

[potent pivot]

or is the catalyst belt even higher mastery

[summer breach]

u want to craft rings

Id say

[potent pivot]

u can craft multiple pieces no?

[summer breach]

yeah not limited

[grave basin]

Eventually you can craft every slot

[potent pivot]

like u can have full crafted gear

yeah

[summer breach]

u wont have enough versa if u craft all

but yeah

[potent pivot]

don't have to buy anything from conq vendor really

unless ur gonna catalyst it anyway

[potent pivot]

we don't need much vers

maybe 20%

[summer breach]

33% is the peak of vers

[potent pivot]

ye but it's s1

[summer breach]

u wont reach it but 28+ is better than 20

[grave basin]

You can't

Reach it

[summer breach]

I will not play with 20% I think

u gonna flop so hard

[potent pivot]

we only need 20% or so this season

[grave basin]

4% DR won't matter

Better to have more mastery in it's place

[summer breach]

Ill take the conq amu maybe

[potent pivot]

also

[summer breach]

and crafted rings

[potent pivot]

there's engi goggles

with only vers

[summer breach]

rest is like no choice anw

[potent pivot]

we can use those maybe

[summer breach]

na nn

[potent pivot]

and have crafted mastery on everything else

[summer breach]

I will go set helm instead of gloves

[potent pivot]

ah ye that's true

but only true for sub

[summer breach]

both is possible

but espically for assa I like the few % haste

3-4

[potent pivot]

shade was saying maybe we want haste this season

i'm hoping so

[summer breach]

at least a bit

I was running some haste last ssn too

[potent pivot]

need to test more tho, honor gear testing is meh

[summer breach]

depends if the game will be slow or not

but I think with full gear everything is flopping hard.

Massive nerfs will come for ret fury assa sub locks etc

[potent pivot]

assa aoe maybe

the ST is dogshit

[summer breach]

compared to some classe sure

[potent pivot]

might see outlaw nerfed as well ngl

[summer breach]

maybee

also hero talents will get tuned maybe

Deathstalker for assa feels so meh

[potent pivot]

it's pretty good imo

[summer breach]

its only better because of the smaller nodes like corrupted blood etc

[potent pivot]

well it's got DR on cloak/eva too

as well as step CDR

[summer breach]

for that node I think u go 7sec cloak

almost everytime

[potent pivot]

nahh

[summer breach]

but meta will evolve anyways and we cant be sure now

[potent pivot]

maybe vs certain caster cleaves

but really

think about 20% evasion DR vs casters

where evasion would have been a pointless button to have

or cloak DR into melee cleaves

[chrome schooner]

Playing more than 20% vers isn't important

[potent pivot]

where cloak would've been bad

[chrome schooner]

You aren't going to "flop"

Remember

No one has a high stat budget

If you could play 25-30% in a S4 without flopping

20% in a S1 is more than fine

[summer breach]

maybe

[chrome schooner]

It's not like people run around with 100% mastery or whatever, everyone is heavily limited on stats

[summer breach]

thats true but some classes are smashing

[chrome schooner]

ideally all your stats kinda follow the same progression throughout seasons

[loud ember]

Do you guys think we'll be going for 4 sets this season?

[summer breach]

not that 5% vers will help against that

[loud ember]

ass seems good

[chrome schooner]

Well yes but that's not due to stats :p

Exactly

Better try to kill them

[summer breach]

true

[potent pivot]

for sub yes, the other 2 probably not. the other 2 are nerfed by 50% in pvp.

[summer breach]

I think u want 25% crit

Sealfate

and the 7 cps

[chrome schooner]

I don't think you can have 25% crit without having nothing of the rest

[summer breach]

will make u so slow if u have no crit and really good with enough crit

[loud ember]

thats kinda lame

[summer breach]

with badge u gonna have 20% so ez

[potent pivot]

you can maybe get 15% crit max

[loud ember]

but makes gearing easier i guess

[chrome schooner]

Getting to 20% already looks like a miracle

[potent pivot]

with 0 haste

[chrome schooner]

I think it'll be 15% to get some haste

Weapon have some

• 2 set parts

Should get you to 15

[summer breach]

I will go Set helm

[chrome schooner]

Ofc

[summer breach]

and no gloves ofc

[chrome schooner]

Helm is super bis

[summer breach]

or do u think no chest?

Idk I think skipping gloves is good

will u craft a jewelery without Vers? I think not for now but have to see

[chrome schooner]

Personally rn

I think no gloves

As for crafts with or without vers, gotta wait to see stat distribution with 4P equipped and a few sockets to see where we stand

[loud ember]

Anyone got advice about gearing for week one? get the tier head piece from 1600 rated and what else

[chrome schooner]

But I think in s1 you won't skip vers on jewellery

Mayyyyybe on like belt or smth though you might

[summer breach]

maybe even crit embellishments can be good tbh

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1282527705513853069

[summer breach]

because especially in the very start of a game with 3 teas full energy etc u can benefit a lot from unlimited energy

and with good crit u generate so much more cps

but it’s all speculation at this point

what we know for sure is getting the set First makes most sense ofc

Rest might be personal preference as it was last season with just way less room due to stats being limited af

[vocal surge]

Bloodstones selling for a good catch

almost 10k a piece

[summer breach]

Crazy but expected

bought a bunch at 7k

they will drop heavily soon though in like 2 weeks

[trail bramble]

Guys are any build for PvP for Assa cant find it on WoWhead

[chrome schooner]

No rush to buy these

[loud ember]

pinned

[chrome schooner]

You guys will get the honor while capping conquest

Don't waste your gold

[trail bramble]

Thanks ❤️

So i have Questions about Assasinatioan must have in PvP arenas or BG addons or WA and Rotation :S anyone help a little bit ;P

[misty dawn]

also pinned for addons

[vocal surge]

The chat lol

[chrome schooner]

1st on death details congrats

[vocal surge]

Aye

I got caught in between a full BG group of horde

because 2 mages were using Shifting Power

and I got hit by it

[abstract breach]

Hey fellow roguies, bit lost on the pvp gearing. The pinned thread doesn't say much. I'm about to hit 80, what should I be doing?

[lusty lion]

Complete your daily win bonuses in each bracket, buy honor gear?

[abstract breach]

Nice and easy, thank you Stippler

[trail bramble]

I think @Kape would to know which one for his class will be good. I mean about the stats.

[abstract breach]

Oh no maybe my wording was shit but I actually meant what Stippler responded. I have the icy veins guide for the stat thing

[lusty lion]

Not like you have a huge amount of choice with honor gear. Get mastery wherever you can I'd say

obv start with weapons, followed by big stat pieces

[potent pivot]

the thread is tips for after reset

[fallen scaffold]

nooo wpns are free

[lusty lion]

we're talking about honor

[potent pivot]

for honor gear you just buy whatever has the stats you want

there's not much to that

lol

[fallen scaffold]

oh kekw

so blitz and ss will be playable on reset?

[potent pivot]

i don't think IV has pushed the latest updates, but the stats will be the same for all except Outlaw iirc

[potent pivot]

yep

[fallen scaffold]

oooOOOgvog

[potent pivot]

oh nvm, it looks like IV pushed the updates

[abstract breach]

Also, IV guide is nice, but I feel like I lack a lot of knowledge about situations and the other classes. Any streamers or youtubers you guys would recommend? I play Assa atm

[fallen scaffold]

anyone have experience with betterblizzframes? this keeps happening to my buffs, reloading fixes it... temporarily

darkmode on

[potent pivot]

Shadenox has good assa vids, nothing TWW yet but assa and most classes are very similar to DF

[abstract breach]

Oki thanks for the help friend, will check it out

[potent pivot]

Is the addon updated?

[fallen scaffold]

yes

[potent pivot]

I’ve never had that happen

[fallen scaffold]

you use dark mode?

[potent pivot]

Uhh

[fallen scaffold]

pretty sure im just using nahj settigns with a few modifications

[potent pivot]

I just use one of the preloaded profiles

[fallen scaffold]

ye if its nahj its darkmode

hmm must be something interacting with it

[potent pivot]

I use mag’s

[fallen scaffold]

ima tr ythat

[candid tide]

duels would be nicer if the 2 players gets isolated out without any other players around

and cds reset pls

[potent pivot]

It took them 2 decades to make it so that CDs reset when you wipe a raid boss iirc

So gl

You’d be able to duel people just to get CDs back for wpvp and all kinds of shenanigans I’m sure

[candid tide]

make a dueling zone : D

[potent pivot]

They’re just for fun, if you lose you lose

[candid tide]

dueling used to be a big thing bak in the days

[fallen scaffold]

miss that shit

[lusty lion]

I haven't really kept up to date after week 2 since I went on vacation, what's the current consensus on sub/outlaw performance in blitz?

[potent pivot]

Dmg wise they’re all close

[lusty lion]

Did anything change in a major way? I just read the blue post about automatic thistle tea, sepsis removal and stuff

[potent pivot]

Outlaw has double hook with fatebound so can be really mobile

But sub is usually the go to for objective maps

[orchid plinth]

I watch Nahj, Kalvish and Whaazz

[potent pivot]

That’s for the patch 2 months from now

[lusty lion]

months?

Oh damn

[potent pivot]

You will never catch the first two on assa unless it’s their only choice

[lusty lion]

well see you then ig lmao

[orchid plinth]

Ah sorry I missed the Assa part

[chrome schooner]

Very soon :p
I was waiting for the season to begin!

[summer breach]

let’s not go to ham early though

I already see heavy nerfs incoming

[potent pivot]

ofc

DF gameplay is quite similar either way

[chrome schooner]

Nerfs to cleave are likely especially since Assa performs amongst the top third in m+ right now

[summer breach]

👀

[potent pivot]

yep

hopefully they compensate the ST

[summer breach]

assa is basically cleave

and nothing else hahaha

[chrome schooner]

Sadly

[potent pivot]

slap envenom with a +50%

[summer breach]

true I remember Legion/BFA

[chrome schooner]

Although in one (one) of my recent games I was surprised about Envenom damage

[potent pivot]

with deathstalker it can do a lot

darkest night envenoms can hurt

[fallen scaffold]

there should be a cleave build and an envenom build.. fix da trees make em both viable but cant have both be strong

[chrome schooner]

I think there is a possibility to play more ST with Deathstalker playing around the talent that gives 30% bonus Nature damage after DM fades

[fallen scaffold]

gotta pick1 or the other

[summer breach]

yep if planned and pooled properly u can blast out huge envenoms

[chrome schooner]

And basically this is Vendetta

Only it has a 16s loading time

If it makes sense

[summer breach]

depends

it gets mended/cauterized insta anw

[chrome schooner]

Yeah well

[summer breach]

which will be an opponents mistake

which after all is so ironical

[chrome schooner]

It will be only if you actually happen to play such a build

But then you need KB, PB

Else it's a good play to dispel bleeds

[summer breach]

true…

[chrome schooner]

But it is possible I think to play something in the vibe of DF S2

[summer breach]

just bring back the old vendetta as a PvP talent

[chrome schooner]

No need for DTB since Poison damage is bad

[summer breach]

and fix the nonsense

[rain crown]

The assa aoe build had good st already

[chrome schooner]

So you remove Sudden Demise and Scent of Blood

[rain crown]

I don’t think it’s worth swapping out

[chrome schooner]

And put those three in PB and KB

And you have a fairly good cleave build

With strong burst for 30s after DM

It's rather good I think

[summer breach]

Sudden demise with fatal feels extreme strong to me

compared to last season

[chrome schooner]

Fatal deals 0 dmg to be honest

[rain crown]

Yea I don’t notice it at all

[summer breach]

yes and no xd

not much dmg but makes sudden demise way more constant to proc from 20 to 10%

[rain crown]

I was trying out kb and pb but I just didn’t feel like it made a noticeable difference, st burst from empowered envenoms is good

[chrome schooner]

If you want to play some ST burst

Sudden Demise goes

If you wanna keep having the strongest possible cleave, only then do you keep it

[rain crown]

Is that what you’d play in 2s?

[chrome schooner]

Mmh, probably, and the point from CT can go somewhere else too

However

What really sucks is that the set buffs bleeds

So in the end it may be better to just play full bleed cleave regardless of the situation

[summer breach]

no one plays that bracket though

[chrome schooner]

Just because bleeds might end up doing so much more damage than the rest

Hey, I used to play it a lot lot lot !

[summer breach]

and yes CT is strong even on only 2 targets

[chrome schooner]

Then DF happened :/

[summer breach]

before df yeah haha

I was a 2s tryhard too

but after 2y break in mid of shadowlands I am a bit less tryhard (I believe at least) haha

[chrome schooner]

Well 2s is just not as fun now for some reason

Less players

Insta 30% damp

But yeah I do believe there can be a really cool build with KB PB Arterial and Deathstalker

The more I think of it, the more I want to believe

And btw Deathstalker makes Vicious Venoms not that bad now that Venomous Wounds is stronger

[proven kayak]

Most people avoid non solo PvP anymore cus they don’t want to engage on a gladiators 9th alt at 1600

[chrome schooner]

Well they do end up hitting a ceiling in solo as well facing the same sort of players

There's no way out of this one except learn how to win them

[summer breach]

true on the really competitive end the game has become extremely dead and boring

There is a range where you already face the same few people over and over again

I Hope TWW will change that and many people returned

and 2s has absolutely died due to shuffle

If I remember correctly I pushed like 2.4 in 2s last season and lost 30 ranks in 2 month without playing a single game

[tender ember]

@chrome schooner what is your go for first crafts/embelishments?

[chrome schooner]

I'm not really sure what parts I'll craft yet to be fair, probably any of the off parts that have no mastery

As for embellishment they are all kinda bad, probs the versa one is the safest one to start with, and maybe I'll change later if the crit one is better or if some damage proc happens to be worth it

[tender ember]

idd embelishments sux :X

[proud folio]

which meta gem are we rocking boys?

snare damage one or 5% dr?

[tender ember]

this is intresting tho, takes wrist place and chest/hands. Probably works like embelishment, no idea if as 1 or 2

[dull bridge]

I've been playing this. -CT -Flying Daggers and experimenting with either +Venomous Wounds or +TTK and Kingsbane, Bomb and DTB (for purely feelcraft reasons). I cant tell you if it is good but i can actually set up with Darkest Night and KB instead of playing melee afflock which feels good

[chrome schooner]

Yeah that's the goal

Although imo DTB is kinda bait

I'd rather play Carnage

To have easier time spreading DoTs

Poisons deal no damage right now, 30k tics on 6M health pools...

[chrome schooner]

Well you can't have this max ilvl without tons of currency that you won't likely get via pvp

[ocean thunder]

Teh question is bone spike or kingsbane, right? I mean everyone agrees DTB is not really op

[chrome schooner]

If you're going to play full cleave imo Bone Spike is better

It gives a ton of Combo Points and speeds up the opener a great deal

[ocean thunder]

What I dont like, is that hte opener will be SUPER important now, if they take you out and you dont mark the kill target out are sort of fked

[chrome schooner]

Well you have 6s though

Should be able to garrote + mark at least

[ocean thunder]

i remember getting INSTA stunned whenever i opened, by the other dps (or lock's pet)

[chrome schooner]

Unless you get sapped

People will try to stop you yes but there are ways around it too, you can sap pets, or, if the enemy is able to instantly stun when you go out then so is your team able to instantly CC whoever would CC you when you open etc

There are options

[ocean thunder]

yeah but sometimes your kill target for example is not available

many times i just open to healers and silence and then go kill target

it just feels my playstyle is getting limited for no reason

[spring bough]

Todays the day boys

See yall on the other side

[chrome schooner]

Doesn't matter

You mark anyone

Trigger it 3 times

Then the next Envenom, the one that autocrits, marks whoever it hits

[stoic spruce]

Bro

My pc won't turn on

[spring bough]

Oh no

[proven kayak]

Well I rarely have someone to play the times I had someone to play more than a week we did well but my playtime varies from week to week so I prefer solo

[tender ember]

U playing assa deathstalker? not fatebound?

[chrome schooner]

Yes

Fatebound is 0 fun

[proven kayak]

To be fair I don’t care who i face if my teammate is not in denial

[tender ember]

ahh i see so its kinda type of like ur st build for df 😛

[spring bough]

Fatebound you get to watch a coin flip that’s the fun 😂

RNG kings

[ocean thunder]

and you can't even control the when

[chrome schooner]

I mean DS is also better so

If Fatebound is less fun & worse there's no reason to play it

[spring bough]

I was doing outlaw 2s/3s with one as trick the other as fate and in fast games unseen blades does more dmg that fatebound tails 10/10

Fatebound needs time to ramp up that coin damage

[tender ember]

pretty much all r1 rogues were assa fatebound

at least recently

[chrome schooner]

I'm not following what people do on NA but on EU that's not true at all, aside from maybe some of them who actually never play Assa unless it's super broken and randomly chose a hero tree for a 1h testing session then went back Sub

What's appealing about Fatebound is that it's basically brainless because the damage is automatic and all, it's just an added passive

[tender ember]

yea, only following eu with this stuff, Trimaz tho played fatebound and he kinda beats any assa

[chrome schooner]

However the couple talents that look good in Fatebound such as the double CN combined with the Envenom crit buff are in fact bad

Because you can't play Cold Blood

So the tree makes no sense

Trimaz played assa like once in tww then refuse to

[tender ember]

wut he got df s4 both r1 in eu and na

[chrome schooner]

I know because Langneur ended up doing Sub Affli wgs with him, and told me he wanted to try assa affli but thr guy didn't wanna play assa again

Yes

He also does not like assa at all

[steel scarab]

It's crazy they tied a hero talent to a specific optional class tree talent that actively isn't good lol

[chrome schooner]

And will only play it if it outshines his other specs

He is still very good at it because he's great at Rogue overall

But he isn't committed to building around the spec because he hates it

In any case, DS has better survivability, great bonus Rupture dmg, great bonus CT damage (both good when assa is only about bleeds) and a cool big Envenom to still has a bit of punch

Meanwhile Fatebound has ... rng procs

The only good talent there is Deal Fate

[tender ember]

i dislike this DS since requires another sets of WA to track stuff >.> this is so annoying

not sure tho about spec with bone spike over kingsbane, haste gearing and ds itself, gotta see i guess

[chrome schooner]

What do you need a wa for

DS marks are just a debuff, you don't have WAs for Rupture Garrote Shiv or any rotational debuff I assume, it's just one more. And the only thing to do is, when it disappears it means you consumed it, so the next Envenom has to be max CPs, nothing else

[vague latch]

umm is arcane mage a good kill target

[tender ember]

actually i got it like this

[vague latch]

not even sure if sprint can break roots in retail lol

[tender ember]

and i guess id love to shiv before 40% big envenom on mark consume

[chrome schooner]

Well you rarely Envenom out of Shiv tbh

Too busy refreshing DoTs everywhere

(and sadly it's only 20% in pvp :/)

[tender ember]

not rly tbh, especially if u play bone spike with free cp on application

[chrome schooner]

Well

You should use CT

A lot

It deals absolutely crazy damage at the moment and is very often more worth than Envenom

And it works towards consuming marks

[tender ember]

a ye ty for reminding, saw as well recently ppl started saying its profitable even vs 2 ppl stacked

[chrome schooner]

Definitely

As for your WAs

While I understand why, ask yourself honestly

Does it make you press your buttons any different to see that Tea is up for instance

You pressed it for a reason

And it lasts 6s

You won't forget why you pressed it during those 6s right

[tender ember]

yea its needed for situations i press tea and got cced, kited etc

i dont wanna press kingsbane

[chrome schooner]

Why is it needed

[tender ember]

w/o shiv and tea up

[chrome schooner]

But

If you press then then press KB you didn't need them

If you press them then get CC'ed before KB

You see that you are in CC

So ?

[tender ember]

ye i wanna see easily how much time i still have

cos sometimes u cant connect right off cc

[chrome schooner]

But with that sort of reasoning you shouldn't press anyway

Since, if you end up pressing at the last millisecond

The DoT isn't buffed so you still waste the damage

So either you can press insantly or you cannot

[tender ember]

i mean shiv->tea-> kb is 2 gcds right

[chrome schooner]

Yes

[tender ember]

and i dont have bound tea with kb

[chrome schooner]

And ? :p

[tender ember]

very often after shiv i press tea+kingsbane same time

and getting tea, cced

and not used kingsbane

[chrome schooner]

Yeah then you are in cc

Wa useless then

You can't press any spell

[tender ember]

i see i used tea easily

and i calculate catch up

[chrome schooner]

You'd see it with your action bars

[tender ember]

i dont rly watch my action bars that often, like thats the reason u got any proc WA's

even on mythic raiders

so u dont watch ur action bars 😄

[chrome schooner]

I'm being annoying a bit on purpose right, of course I don't mind whatever people do, I just find those useless so I'm trying to see what value you really get out of it

Well

[tender ember]

this tea and shiv helps me a lot

[chrome schooner]

Then you don't know when you pressed a whole deal or spells

Not only tea or shiv

[tender ember]

if what did i press

[chrome schooner]

I could come up with a lot of examples but lets say... Evasion. The visual cue on your own character isn't obvious unless you play very, very zoomed in, it doesn't stop all damage and most melees have piercing attacks so you don't immediately notice it with dmg stopping, and if you need was to track tea I assume you don't have an eye over your buff bar often since Tea is there as well

You could miss the fact that Evasion didn't go off and randomly die, then

Since it has no obvious tells unless you duel a warrior

[tender ember]

tea WA is only for situations when i press shiv then tea and got cced before kingsbane, since i dont wanna use kb w/o shiv and tea, i wanna track those, so when i connect i can easily see if any time of my tea left or i need to reaply

otherwise i need to watch my buff rows with 2x2 pixel big icon

[chrome schooner]

It's just habit I guess

But those things are not so useful clutter which you focus on, necessarily, at the expense of more important things

The Subterfuge one is a useful one for instance

[tender ember]

regarding evasion, ye i check my bar for it if i pressed it

and ye evasion is also kinda spell i watch on buff bar 😄

[tender ember]

its only for making sure i apply kingsbane multipliers, other situations i agree

[candid tide]

think whaazz plays with focus only

cause he switches his focus during play

[chrome schooner]

the focus way is the way

[candid tide]

do you use a123 abilities in arena as rog?

[chrome schooner]

Only for Sap

[tawny iron]

Shade what piece do u craft )=

[chrome schooner]

All the rest is target and focus and I change focus with binds when needed

[chrome schooner]

Not very sure yet, probably some of the off parts that don't have mastery on their conquest version

[candid tide]

yeah a123 is not super neccesary for rogs right

[tawny iron]

thx

[orchid plinth]

Do what works for you. There are people clicking arena frames playing in AWC, no?

Personally I use scroll up down middle for target 1 2 3 and shift mod for focus. Then all my focus bindings are shift modifiers of the normal bind.

[candid tide]

yeah raiku click targets still

[chrome schooner]

Many people click targets

I do half the time as well

But still, focus CC is very, very capital

[orchid plinth]

So shift + scroll up -> T would be blind arena1

[chrome schooner]

Raiku doesn't click healer sheep healer click back dps to do dmg for example

[orchid plinth]

And my focus is now also arena1

[chrome schooner]

He just focus sheeps

And presses dmg

[candid tide]

i use to play focus cleartarget/focustarget/targetlasttarget/ macro in cata but that one doesnt work normally nowadays anymore

[chrome schooner]

Even though he may have click the dps at start

You can just combine things, all that is important is that CC spells on key targets require no targeting delay

[orchid plinth]

But I'm also a washed 1800 boomer gamer

[chrome schooner]

However you do it is up to you, but you need to do it

[orchid plinth]

But I think there is something to be said about modifiers. For example setting focus with shift and having focus bindings with shift. Now you can do it in one motion. You don't have to let go of shift when setting your focus and doing your focus spell.

Imagine if your focus arena1 is shift shift scroll up and focus Blind is T now you have to make sure you let go of shift before pressing T if you want to change focus and blind it.

[candid tide]

do you ever tab switch target just to press gouge XD?

or kidney some

then switch bak to main dps target

[candid tide]

yeah im really into fluid keybinding too

[chrome schooner]

Yes :p

Often, even

But I guess it requires some getting used to as to what target is the next tabbed one

[candid tide]

oh man i use to do that stuff lightning speed in cata , im so washed now

[chrome schooner]

I have friends who don't manage to play like this because they often misjudge what is the next tab guy

It's funny

[candid tide]

yeah when u get used to the right angles it works out pretty well tab targetting

but some people say ud lose some dps switch targetting like that idk

[chrome schooner]

Well it's mostly for emergencies

Gotta Gouge that cast or lose, or react to a mistake and win etc

In that case losing an auto isn't important

Since you win or avoid losing

[tight veldt]

What time the actual season kick off?

[hollow carbon]

It helps to change tab target to player only, so you don’t CC pets accidentally for example

[chrome schooner]

But sometimes you want to tab a Grounding or a Succubus!

[abstract breach]

what venom would u guys use as Assa for bgs?

or venoms 😄

[fallen scaffold]

crip/wound

never cchanges

[safe pelican]

I’m
Hypeeeeeww

[hollow carbon]

Yeah it’s not optimal but if I got a penny for every tab+kick/kidney I pumped into pets or totems I would be a millionaire.. 😂 so personally I rather click pets and totems now

[safe pelican]

Can’t wait to beat on yall fr 🙂‍↕️

https://tenor.com/view/we're-at-war-raj-varma-3-body-problem-we're-in-an-ongoing-war-netflix-gif-3301239313115641032

[dapper chasm]

Got the new xpac installed - can the story people in WoW literally do anything other than the Worf-effect?

As in, some character nobody knows appears and shows how strong they are by one-shotting an established character

But all it does is make the character getting one-shot look like a bitch

Poor Worf, my man got bitch-slapped every week

[grave basin]

khadgar has died 14 times already

somehow always fails to actually die

literally gandalf

[dapper chasm]

Wasn't the staff he snapped by dropping it also not like some mega staff?

[safe pelican]

Okay i didn’t get what you meant Zan until azliey laid it out but i agree 110%… but at the same time haven’t they been doing the “worf effect “ since the first xpac…..

[dapper chasm]

Nah, the Legion in tbc were an established threat, so was the LK

[grave basin]

it's suppsoed to be the staff of the guardian

thats how he can become a raven

[dapper chasm]

Well, he has 2 now

👍

[safe pelican]

I guess because they won for a short term period at least

So I’ll let you pass with that

[grave basin]

least edgy arena player names

[dapper chasm]

I also remember when they used Sylvanas to one shot the LK

It's just not a good way to establish strength

[grave basin]

we dont talk about SL lore around these parts

[dapper chasm]

Why can't they do it just a little slower? Establish a character, then slowly work in their motivations and get people invested

Maybe even make them weak, but a master of duplicity

You know who said duplicity? Fucking Illidan

Illidan fucking Stormrage

[safe pelican]

• Money grabbing has entered the chat *

[grave basin]

i mean she was in the SP artifact sword

dagger*

[safe pelican]

It’s all about them dollas brother

[dapper chasm]

When this new purple lady did the "I was this dude, but in disguise" I thought straight away that Onyxia did it better

[safe pelican]

Push out the new xpac jump right to the climax and rake in money

[grave basin]

but is it better than the ending of amirdrassil

by the power of friendship!!!!1111

[dapper chasm]

Hey, I don't fuck with friendship - friendship can fuck you up, man

[grave basin]

i mean the bar isnt very high

lol

[vague latch]

for me it's sending deathstalker

just used to having enough numbers to kill the healer

[grave basin]

for me it's the auto attack hero talents

[vague latch]

you kinda need it to win matches

[dapper chasm]

I just think if you are gonna make an empty boss character, make it something not even sentient - like some rabid army of something, no need for a queen alien

[grave basin]

then what are all the gooners gonna do for rule34

[dapper chasm]

Anyway, I'll stop my complaining and try and enjoy it

[dapper chasm]

It upsets me that I understand those words

[vague latch]

needing pity is for casuals leaping

on the war mode leggo 😄

[vale token]

is meta figured out for all around pvp spec outside arenas (rbgs, bgs, wpvp, fun)?

[old brook]

I don't mean to be rude, but of course not.

Just theorycrafts

[grave basin]

how is there a meta for fun

fun is whatever you want it to be

lol

[vale token]

thats not rude, i see, just asking as returning player

[old brook]

you're good 🙂 there will always be little variations based on personal preference or situation/context, so grabbing an r1 rogue's template and messing around with it won't do any harm

[indigo hill]

Monk has allot of damage now.

[safe pelican]

This

[wet crown]

When does monk not have damage in pvp

Fighting a monk with serenity up was basically picking a fight with goku

[hexed pewter]

i need some help understanding general pvp strategies for sub..so usually you sap the off target and kill the main target..if they trinket you vanish and do the same thing later when you have all the cd up again...but what if one or both targets have stealth or you failed to sap? what's the general plan?

i always dont know what to do and end up dying

[topaz bobcat]

wait, there are other ways ?

[topaz bobcat]

very lame class, just presses ugly looking hero talent does millions dmg while floating

[steep kiln]

not sure if it was mentioned already but they changed the cost of sockets

[outer sky]

I just called in the manager I hired last month and dipped out of work early to start playing the season. How are we feeling in real games instead of skirms??

@topaz bobcat season started today are we betting or what?

[green star]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[dull bridge]

thats good, i think bloodstones drop from arena boxes

[outer sky]

and you can just buy them from the AH

why is SS queue time 16 minutes on the 1st day of the season when I have 0 CR

[hollow carbon]

Cause no one is playing pvp

[fallen scaffold]

whats first piece were buying?

[dull bridge]

everybody busy touching grass

[outer sky]

they had like the last 2 months to touch grass

its time to game

[outer sky]

helm/belt this week

[fallen scaffold]

word

we crafting anything?

with the 9 free amrks

[outer sky]

yes

[fallen scaffold]

marks

and quest that gives 1

[outer sky]

ideally we craft everything

[fallen scaffold]

what should i craft first?

[hollow carbon]

I would also expect ppl to queue a lot shuffle first week but somehow they don’t but play pve instead

[outer sky]

just get your main pieces as fast as possible

[waxen meteor]

where is the world pvp vendor?

[outer sky]

what marks are you talking about btw?

[narrow tangle]

sparks?

y mean

[outer sky]

we dont use sparks to craft pvp gear

[narrow tangle]

:o

[fallen scaffold]

no

i mean

1 sec

[narrow tangle]

but it requires spark to craft

[outer sky]

you cant get it to 639

can you?

[muted abyss]

what are we buying from bloody token vendor? dagger? for assa

fuck, I already got 230 conquest from world pvp, is the free conquest weapon quest only for rated conquest earned? it's showing 0/2500

[fallen scaffold]

i was talkin about Forged Gladiator's Heraldry

u get free weps week 3

[muted abyss]

my quest shows 0/2500 though even though I have 230 conquest already

[dull bridge]

guys the season has started what spec embellishment build tech talent craft is best????????????

^chat in a couple of hours

[fallen scaffold]

did u get that conq

in rated

it has to be rated

fr tho what first embelisghment is assa crafting tho LOL

[dull bridge]

gottem

[muted abyss]

nope, it was world pvp, guess I can't do any more world pvp to get weapons week 3...

[fallen scaffold]

nope

as to be rated

has

[muted abyss]

ugh, such shit gameplay design

[fallen scaffold]

why lol

so easy to gear

easiest its ever been

[dull bridge]

that seems to be an oversight on blizzards part. hopefully it can be fixed else we wont be able to do world pvp/sparks if we want to complete the quest on week 3

[fallen scaffold]

aboslutely no reason to do sparks

as a pvper

[muted abyss]

Yup, basically have to cap conquest in rated first and then world pvp

[fallen scaffold]

they do nothing for u

[muted abyss]

you get bloody tokens...

[fallen scaffold]

im talking about sparks

not bloody tokens

[muted abyss]

that's where everyone pvps for bloody tokens lol

[dull bridge]

sparks of life is the name of the weekly quest dummy

[fallen scaffold]

sparks is currency bud

0/100 sparks of war

[dull bridge]

oh its war this expansion

[muted abyss]

I guess no grabbing chests either in the open world

[dull bridge]

doesnt matter, bloody tokens give you conq tier gear so it doesnt make sense to call the sparks quest useless for pvp

[tight veldt]

Were you in a raid group? My buddy didn't have an issue and got credit for the 2500 from his spark quest

[muted abyss]

nope, I forgot to grab the quest first

[fallen scaffold]

he actually got credit for it?

[dull bridge]

ahh thats probably why

[tight veldt]

Well that's why then

[vocal surge]

:c

[fallen scaffold]

kekw

[muted abyss]

it's crazy though, it should still give credit afterwards

[vocal surge]

all the weapon choices have only crit on them

[muted abyss]

I'm still within the week 3 range though, 1600 + 600 + 600

gonna test on my alt and see how the quest works

[topaz bobcat]

how much u pay for boost? does the bet have to be more than that?

[outer sky]

its SS my guy

[topaz bobcat]

I know of ur ways bet market fixer man

[pastel sleet]

can i use slow off hand in pvp as sub?

[topaz bobcat]

u will not fool me

[outer sky]

500k lets go

I get 2100 week 1

[muted abyss]

omg, fuck it really is just any conquest you earn, not just from rated activities

you just have to have the quest first

good thing I didn't farm a bunch of conquest earlier, still within week 3

[worthy crag]

lmao

ouch

[muted abyss]

just don't earn more than 300 conquest before accepting the quest lol

[topaz bobcat]

why are u in the evoker discord? are u a spy?

[outer sky]

I'm in every class discord but I also play evoker

[pliant mauve]

Aren't we only crafting Algari gear? Algari stuff has the option for adding pvp shit to buff it to 639 or whatever

[dapper chasm]

Just to check, can I still PvP this xpac without having to kill dragons?

[muted abyss]

yeah, no pvp is required but you will need gold to craft gear

[dapper chasm]

Nice

And don't worry, I got something better than gold

A platinum card

[fallen scaffold]

yep

say dat

time > $ bby

[outer sky]

you want the green one

[placid umbra]

are you all spending bloody tokens on the dagger? (sub/ass)
since we are waiting a couple weeks for the conquest dagger

[rain crown]

Can’t we get the quest done this week or no?

For weapons

I didn’t look at cap

[muted abyss]

week 3

[rain crown]

Rip

What’s bloody token ilvl?

[muted abyss]

3 ilevels lower than conquest

[outer sky]

we lose to see it

[lime oar]

How’s the queue time

[outer sky]

gotten better

few minutes

[proud folio]

yoo

we buying bloody token dagger even though conq is free in 3 weeks?

could also get the vers/mast cloak and wrists which will last a while...

[outer sky]

I'm crafting everything at 626 this week besides what im buying with conquest and the 1600 token

Im gunna buy helm and belt with conq and legs with the 1600 token

[waxen meteor]

been not so active on discord, do we have a to-do list somewhere

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1282527705513853069

Farm conq and bloody tokens

[rain crown]

what weap enchants for assa?

mastery proc?

[outer sky]

just 1

they dont stack

[quartz ferry]

Hi guys bit of a newbie question but how hard actually is sub to play in pvp, would you recommend starting off at assa then playing sub when you’re more used to the class as a whole?

[rain crown]

@outer sky what about other? tried the deeps one?

[potent pivot]

i think you're talking about the embellishment no?

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1282527705513853069

[outer sky]

yeah.

[potent pivot]

radiant power for enchant

[outer sky]

Use main stat for enchant

[potent pivot]

also

i think we go double Vers lining this week

and do the Grip later

we can use wpvp daggers until week 3

[gilded gulch]

depths?

[rain crown]

its a shadow dam ench

[gilded gulch]

yeah depths is probably the best for now

[potent pivot]

depths is the best for outlaw

not sure if it would be for assa/sub

[rain crown]

storms pumps for olaw i havent tried depths yet

[potent pivot]

doesn't do as much dmg for assa/sub

[gilded gulch]

I mean fair

outlaw is a green text monkey

[potent pivot]

they changed the cost of the socket setting

3 bloodstones and 5k honor now

so 12.5k each

[lusty tiger]

buy the bloodstones with gold

[outer sky]

depths will almost always be your top damage

[rain crown]

i see

ill try it out

[outer sky]

just a heads up to everyone, WoW tokens are dirt cheap right now

under 200k on my server

[potent pivot]

they're region wide

[outer sky]

hey @potent pivot is there any reason I shouldnt craft a MH weapon?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[outer sky]

I'm going to replace the conq ones ASAP

[potent pivot]

can get wpvp wep

you won't

[outer sky]

bloody tokens?

[potent pivot]

ye

[outer sky]

thats lower ilvl

[potent pivot]

if u craft a wep right now

you will be behind an entire main piece of gear week 3

[outer sky]

mmm true

[potent pivot]

u might be ahead for 2 weeks

but u will be behind for the rest of the season

until fully geared

that's why i said earlier we should go 2 vers Linings this week

and go Grip when we're full geared and crafting

[lusty tiger]

what pieces are you crafting

[potent pivot]

right this second nothing

i just got on 20 minutes ago

[lusty tiger]

so we get free 9 heraldry, buying a helm for 875 leaves you with 725

not sure what the heraldry requirements are for each piece though

[potent pivot]

what spec are you playing

[lusty tiger]

assa / sub

[potent pivot]

if you're playing sub you want to rush 4p

[hexed pewter]

is sub harder to master than sp?

[lusty tiger]

yeah I'm rushing 4p regardless

[potent pivot]

sure

[hexed pewter]

ty

[potent pivot]

i think nahj bought on use trinket and shoulders

to turn shoulders into tier and get free legs from 1600

[lusty tiger]

interesting

could craft belt (4) and boots (5) with 9 heraldry, both are pieces without vers mastery on the vendor

I guess the on use trinket makes sense as well

for spending actual conquest

[potent pivot]

think u want token belt rn

don't forget to check what bloody token gear has vers mast

because that's going to tell you what other items you need

[lusty tiger]

yeah I already bought the dagger from that though

[potent pivot]

the problem with on use is we don't use it for assa right now

[lusty tiger]

are people really not running kingsbane then?

I guess that means people are running bone spike?

[potent pivot]

it's sorta split down the middle for that one

but yes

[rain crown]

so does it make sense to just craft all of your pieces that are over 700 conqest?

[potent pivot]

what

[rain crown]

so 4x of the crafting tokens is 700 conq

conq chest is 875

wouldnt it make sense to just craft that

[lusty tiger]

you would want 4 set which you cant get from crafted pieces

[rain crown]

ooo

got it

[potent pivot]

it will still cost 875 conq

[rain crown]

how so

175x4

[potent pivot]

they were x5 before

[rain crown]

crafting npc shows 4 required

[potent pivot]

helm/chest/legs and even boots for some reason were 5 before

if they changed it idk

[lusty tiger]

I mean I'm pretty sure you're right that it's cheaper to make a chest than to buy one with conquest, but I'm pretty sure that chest is not an off piece

I would assume gloves are just because they have crit haste

[rain crown]

chest has vers so def want that

gloves are only way to have 2p this week though

unless shoulders are 700? i cant remember

[lusty tiger]

shoulders are 700

[rain crown]

ah ok

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/nahj/clip/EndearingGrossPanFutureMan-YB5u8vKHGF6K8AFd

[rain crown]

thx thats helpful

[potent pivot]

it looks like he crafted a weapon and boots?

maybe with the free heraldies?

@outer sky

[outer sky]

yeah

we get 18 this week

[potent pivot]

18 heraldries?

[outer sky]

ye

[potent pivot]

just from winning games ye?

like not bought with conquest

if so then buying dagger could be good

[outer sky]

no

9 for free

9 from conq

[muted abyss]

what are we getting from bloody token vendor?

[potent pivot]

anything with vers mast

[graceful ravine]

first day of pvp, queues still 15m smh

[outer sky]

ok got 1600

time to buy a piece

@potent pivot are we crafting a weapon or what?

[potent pivot]

idk bud

looks like nahj said fuck it and did it

[lime oar]

my queue times are wild

like 15 min

[rain crown]

I bought weapon from war mode am I cooked for the season

[potent pivot]

....no

[outer sky]

so much mastery

and thats not even scaled up

[potent pivot]

yep

bro

my internet really picks the worst day possible to fuck up

dced 3 times already

[spring bough]

WM epic gear. Does it have a weekly limit?

[waxen meteor]

Is it true we can have max socket at week1?

it looks like just 5k honor each

and 3 more pieces of stone that costs either 2500 honor or like 15k gold

[potent pivot]

don't waste gold on them

they were 7k 2 days ago

[waxen meteor]

yeah

main question is, we can max socket?

[potent pivot]

what do you mean max socket

we can socket

should only both socketing gear you know you're going to keep

[waxen meteor]

for all of head/neck/rings/belt/wrist?

[potent pivot]

yes but u shouldn't

[spring bough]

Yes you can buy 9 of the things but you shouldn’t lmao

[potent pivot]

waste

[spring bough]

Don’t u need 175 conq too

[potent pivot]

we will socket when we have full bis

[spring bough]

So not worth it

[potent pivot]

i don't think so?

[waxen meteor]

mission gave me 9 of the 175 conq ones

[spring bough]

I thought it was like 9750 honor and conq

For the viscous jeweler

[potent pivot]

it was never conq

[spring bough]

That’s good

[waxen meteor]

it's just honor, maxed at 15k anyway

[potent pivot]

u should craft new 626 gear

[waxen meteor]

i got it...

[potent pivot]

any gear u can't get wpvp/conq

[waxen meteor]

i mean for socket -> socket on the wpvp or conq ones to avoid waste, but if maxed honor, feel free to waste

[potent pivot]

it's 5k honor and 3 bloodstones now

[spring bough]

They adjusted it lol. It was 2 bloodstones

[waxen meteor]

for the 175 conq one -> get the maxed craft gear

[spring bough]

And like 9k honor

Wild

[potent pivot]

just buy them to hold onto them

[potent pivot]

what?

only socket bis gear

we don't have any bis socket slots right now

[spring bough]

This epic 636 bloody token gear. I thought it was limited? 0 balance and no reason for weps week 3 if we can get full 636 today lol

[muted abyss]

so bloody token cloak and waist, crafted boots and dagger, then 1600 rating get legs, buy shoulders and on use trinket(for sub)

[waxen meteor]

bloody token is capped at 1350

this week

so we can grab 2 gears at most

[muted abyss]

getting bloody token capped is ez

[waxen meteor]

the wrist one is a fairly close to bis one

[potent pivot]

we aren't buying wrist this week

[spring bough]

Why are these Que wait times 19 and 13 minute for solo and blitz 😂

[waxen meteor]

you gonna go weap?

[muted abyss]

nobody wants to play healer

so it's 1600 conquest this week, then 600 each week after that?

[potent pivot]

idk what i'm doing yet

my internet is too fucked for me to do anything

i know what nahj did

[waxen meteor]

i think either haste dagger or wrist + big mastery cloak

both good options

[muted abyss]

crafted dagger is a better option

[waxen meteor]

can we craft pvp dagger now?

or it's a pve craft

[potent pivot]

wait

nvm

[spring bough]

I’m going WM wep. Fk it lol

[muted abyss]

it's crafted PVP dagger yeah

[waxen meteor]

really?

let me check

[muted abyss]

algari competetors dagger

639 pvp ilevel dagger

https://www.twitch.tv/nahj/clip/EndearingGrossPanFutureMan-YB5u8vKHGF6K8AFd

[waxen meteor]

holy cow

and 639?

then is there any reason to not do that...?

[spring bough]

Sparks quest at 50 in 2 min lol

[muted abyss]

and it's vers mastery

[waxen meteor]

i don't see a option to make it 639 nor 636

[potent pivot]

yeh already did mine just now

[potent pivot]

bro

[waxen meteor]

pffff

they are green

i didn't check the green items

my bad

was navigating between the purple ones

[spring bough]

Ima craft 639 wep and get a wm one. Fk it lol

[waxen meteor]

lol imagine blocking conquest weapon at week1

[potent pivot]

i swear buying a wep rn is a waste

[waxen meteor]

but allow this

[potent pivot]

but if others are doing it ppl going to copy regardless

[spring bough]

We prob doing blessed grips on weps tbh

So gonna get one ready lol

[candid tide]

ima buy shoulders ok?

[potent pivot]

only 1

[spring bough]

They shouldn’t have let us craft or buy 636 weps but they def overlooked that

[potent pivot]

i think wpvp wep only woulda been ok

i guess

[waxen meteor]

i think i am gonna take wiest + big mastery cloak + craft weapon

[spring bough]

Weps >>> any gear choice rn they always a bigger dps inc

[surreal barn]

Get weapon now or wait till week 3 after we are nerfed

🤔

[waxen meteor]

conquest will be trinket and sth

[candid tide]

isnt there a quest to get both weaps

[waxen meteor]

after 3 weeks yeah

we probably have to craft boots it looks like

since there's no mastery boots

[potent pivot]

but you put yourself behind every who didn't buy wep

[halcyon timber]

Talk to the guy in the pvp vendor area

[potent pivot]

week 3 everyone who didn't buy wep will be ahead

[halcyon timber]

I got the quest today , pretty sure thats a bug

Not going to complete it

[potent pivot]

it isn't

[halcyon timber]

And i reported it already

[gusty hedge]

outlaw losing shadowstep gonna hurt

[potent pivot]

you have to have the quest to get any progress

if you don't pick it up, and you earn conquest

[candid tide]

ima just copy what the top rog streamers get

[potent pivot]

it won't count for the quest

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i have the quest for progress

Oh mk maybe was confused aftet the ban wave that just went out

After*

[potent pivot]

what ban wave

[spring bough]

Que times long cause everyone doing sparks lol

[potent pivot]

the last 2 ban waves were for Rep and crafter's Acuity

[halcyon timber]

Yeh that

And some people got caught in cross fire allegedly

Good to know though

[surreal barn]

I never saw the enchant

[halcyon timber]

Bloody token quest was a good upgrade

[surreal barn]

Was it posted?

[halcyon timber]

I think it was in the files recently

[spring bough]

Got my new MH before solo Que popped lol

[halcyon timber]

Prob going wm weps if it flies by quick too

Good idea

[potent pivot]

haven't seen anything on it yet

[halcyon timber]

Enchants seemed to have dropped a little too

[spring bough]

Depths minimum 100k when it hits AH lol

[potent pivot]

radiant power went up in price

[potent pivot]

depths has been out for days bud

[halcyon timber]

Easy 100k+

[potent pivot]

its 60k rn

[halcyon timber]

Oh ha

[spring bough]

Isn’t it a raid drop??

[halcyon timber]

Still steep af

[potent pivot]

they found a bag you can buy that RNG drops it

it's BEEN out

[halcyon timber]

Any one take a gamble on embellishments yet?

[candid tide]

nahj got both 636 weaps

[potent pivot]

if u craft a wep u go blessed weapon grip

[halcyon timber]

Yeah figured as much

[potent pivot]

pretty sure that is incorrect

[muted abyss]

blessed grips?

[halcyon timber]

Also figure thats on their hit list to tone down maybe

[potent pivot]

1 grip 1 vers lining

is the consensus rn

[potent pivot]

nahj crafted 1 639 wep and thats all

[candid tide]

ah ye true i see it now mb

[spring bough]

Only need R1 crafting mats don’t go R3 buy happy lol

First solo of the season just popped. Feels so good

[potent pivot]

don't even want to q because i'm DCing every 20 minutes

[waxen meteor]

Do we have fresh mmr?

Or from last season ish

[muted abyss]

I thought he did boots too?

[candid tide]

and gloves

[potent pivot]

i was replying to someone that said he bought 2 weapons