pvp

[misty haven]

!fuu

[lethal roost]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent pivot]

lol please don't ask me about tier lists homie

tier lists are a joke, they're made for content

sub and outlaw are both better at ST technically

assa is all about AoE dot spread

people put different specs in different tiers solely based on what they've personally seen

like on beta it seemed like assa was still going to be the best spec

but more people were testing assa, not many were testing outlaw/sub

if people don't test it, no one sees it

affli, feral, and other specs that AoE dot have good AoE and good ST

assa has great AoE, but is lacking in the ST department

that's just how it is atm

[chrome schooner]

Sub feels extremely good imo

[potent pivot]

it does indeed

outlaw does too

[chrome schooner]

It has excellent sustained and still has its infamous burst so ...

[potent pivot]

i think assa is still strong

it just doesn't have the ST burst with Kingsbane tuned as weakly as it is

[snow mesa]

I feel like I just can't play outlaw right at all

in an actual BG i feel so weak

[chrome schooner]

It's not a good bg spec at all

[orchid plinth]

But Sub is also weird. You won't win if you go "sub good ST".

[snow mesa]

Like as sub and assa I can top meters without any issue

but

outlaw i just cant

[chrome schooner]

Well it goes without saying that you still perform the usual Sub Rogue CC things, but right now it has excellent damage WHILE CC'ing people

[warm tundra]

any sub gameplay recommandations?

[chrome schooner]

And when it doesn't, even if you're some sort of sub rogue god, you can't kill so it doesn't matter

But now, it kills easily

[orchid plinth]

That's true, it's not a "wet noodle" season so to say!

[chrome schooner]

I played a bit yesterday, I was outdamaging fully geared fury warriors and the like in 3v3 settings while CC'ing and doing the usual setups, not just pve dmg

[orchid plinth]

I've just kept spamming skirmishes and sometimes I'm surprised that people die!

[chrome schooner]

It's not really right that Sub does that much damage

it's a bit like cheating

[surreal barn]

Yeah, I foresee tuning

[potent pivot]

the issue is, when they nerf the burst the sustain suffers

[orchid plinth]

I just feel garbage useless into melee cleaves, like a 4melee lobby

[potent pivot]

like every time

[surreal barn]

I feel like if they really want to balance sub then they need to make it so our cc on KT amps up the damage they receive a lot - not necessarily by us

[wet crown]

I thought It did, evidently not

[loud sable]

what are your thoughts about CDR removal at 11.0.5

[surreal barn]

You would find people trying to respect our stun windows a lot more if it meant themselves doing mongo damage

[potent pivot]

too early to think about really, they're probably going to make more changes and it's 2 months away

removing dust is honestly a healthy change for the game

we'll just have to see what they do

[orchid plinth]

My uncle works at blizzard and they are reverting the tea change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAVWeKeyYMk

[potent pivot]

i might pin that shit or something

so many people ask about openers it's crazy

[orchid plinth]

!subopeners

[warm tundra]

yeah there's like 2 TWW rogue pvp videos total lol

also from my experience in previous classes, its very straightforward and simple which CC you should use in which situation

but rogue got like 4-5 stuns in the same family

[wet crown]

My uncle also works at blizz and apparently the rogue guy got yelled at.

I realized how dumb premed was yesterday and started using kidney lol

[stoic spruce]

Didn't it also desync cooldowns?

[grave basin]

any1 knows how to get forged warmonger gear?

is that crafted?

[spring bough]

pvp world quests. its the bloody token gear

[grave basin]

no way

you have to rng roll it?

[spring bough]

its a reward you get for completing a pvp world quest

check ur map u might have it

it changes tho so always gotta check them

[grave basin]

i see 0 pvp world quests

on my map

[spring bough]

do you have warmode enabled

[grave basin]

yes

i turned it off and on

[spring bough]

you should have some in the new zones

do you have world quests unlocked?

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

yes of course

[spring bough]

might have to do some campaign quests LMAO

[grave basin]

i see every other world quest

just no pvp ones

[potent pivot]

i really don't think the wpvp is that important this time around

[spring bough]

maybe you did them then? idk lol

[potent pivot]

we can craft infinite 626 honor gear next week

wouldn't stress wpvp gear imo

[grave basin]

i need to gear my feral

bad

pvping with 7% verse is ... an experience

[modest knoll]

Hi I'm fairly new to rogue, is outlaw fairing ok in pvp rn?

[potent pivot]

yeah all 3 specs are doing well

[modest knoll]

danka 🙏

[grave basin]

i should probably do the achievements aye

and not put it all off till the end

[potent pivot]

which ones?

[grave basin]

the ones that will eventually be the meta ahicevement

arent they all in for this patch atleast

[potent pivot]

i honestly have no idea. i've never done the meta achievements

just done dungeon/raid/pvp achievements mostly

there is a new wpvp achievement that gives a title and mount

i'm pretty sure it's going to be unobtainable later

[grave basin]

i just finished leveling up 7 level 80s

and now gearing up my 3rd full gear

havent done a single thing lol

[potent pivot]

i was actually thinking about doing Loremaster and everything this season

just because there's actually good cosmetics

[grave basin]

i cant even do the campaign lol

[potent pivot]

the 3 colors of this go hard

and the plate delve/quest gear looks sick

[tight veldt]

wish the leather stuff looked better tbh

[potent pivot]

you can get renown 4 in all of em quite quickly

[potent pivot]

same

[grave basin]

how

do side quests?

cause ive done the whole leveling thingy

[potent pivot]

side quests, WQs, rares

only certain side quests give rep

[grave basin]

ngl ive been sitting at the dueling area spam queueing skirms

for hours

lol

[potent pivot]

lmao

[grave basin]

I JUST NEED FULL GEAR MAN

[potent pivot]

go do some WQs inbetween q's

skirms for honor grind is wild btw

unless ur queuing with someone

[grave basin]

just me and blackjesus

[potent pivot]

yeah if ur queuing with someone then it's pretty good

this fucking mount dude

is insane

it's fucking MASSIVE too

"Kah, Legend of the Deeps"

not even in the mount tab, but you get it from fishing every type of fish in Khaz Algar or something

[wintry dew]

did you fish much? or did you saw someone with it?

you can buy it

[potent pivot]

i just saw someone with it

[wintry dew]

but its really boring

[tight veldt]

you have to summon the spawn

[potent pivot]

how do you buy it?

[wintry dew]

sec

[potent pivot]

thought you had to do an achievement

[wintry dew]

oops

[tight veldt]

isnt that the one for using the specific fish in aj-kahet?

you hve to like throw a bunch of fdish in the water and its a chance spawn

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=223286/kah-legend-of-the-deep#comments

[potent pivot]

it says fish every type of fish

[wintry dew]

this isnt the one you buy no

i thought it was

[grave basin]

you see a priest with this wep

[tight veldt]

Ohhhh

its from the fishing derby

[potent pivot]

is it unobtainable now or something?

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-fishing-tournament-in-the-war-within-mereldar-fishing-derby-340698#news-post-340698

[tight veldt]

No no it is. YOu just have to do the fishing derby for TWW

[wintry dew]

thats a classic weapon for priest

anathema

[potent pivot]

no i meant the mount

lmao

[wintry dew]

oh

[tight veldt]

The mount is obtainable form the fishing derby is what i mean sorryu

[potent pivot]

i never farm mounts but i gotta have that one

[potent pivot]

dope

[potent pivot]

it's weird that it isn't showing the mount in my mount tab

usually that only happens with unobtainables

[potent pivot]

damn i missed so many cool trading post things last year

[grave basin]

how is the shadowpan brawl for this month

[wintry dew]

this was 1/2 months ago

[grave basin]

week

still bugged

?????????

if this was a pve dungeon it woulda gotten fixed

in 15mins

[tight veldt]

small indie company

[potent pivot]

last year/last expansion

[wintry dew]

Aight, i'mma inform you every month about trading post now

LOL

[potent pivot]

oh i've been checking them like white on rice the past 2 months

i'm just hoping the good stuff i missed actually rolls back around

some of it goes hard

[tight veldt]

how many years until blizz fixes this random stealth breaking

[potent pivot]

All we can do is report it

Try to give a time frame and what map it happened to you in etc

[spring bough]

and we can report these exploiting locks too maybe thatll speed it up XD

[tight veldt]

ill accept my stealth bugs if they nerf the fuck out of lock shield

[spring bough]

by logic its a known bug. they do it to win. exploit XD

blizz cant argue that one lmao

[potent pivot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1f2zeaq/figured_out_why_stealth_is_breaking_nonstop/

The frost mage one was fixed supposedly

Legit copy and paste this into a bug report

[spring bough]

haymaker fun

i gotta macro /bye to it lol

[potent pivot]

There’s also a lot of talk about the stealth breaks on the regular forums and the support/bug report forums

So they’ve gotta know about most of them by now

[tight veldt]

Did anything change as of late where we like crit now? I see a few other classes rocking crit

[potent pivot]

For sub you use crit off pieces

Just honor gear tho

Once we can craft we won’t

Outlaw also mainly runs crit/haste so maybe they geared outlaw first or they just don’t know

[tight veldt]

for sure. ik mastery is king but fuzzy for off-stat rn. Haste for globals or crit. you said therre was a "how to" craft video coming? didnt even realize things were changing to craft our off-pieces aside from no spark

[potent pivot]

When you say haste for globals you mean outlaw right?

[tight veldt]

Nah nah i just meant as a generic statement. Haste reduces the GCD, and i feel like crit has been so undervalued FOREVER for sub/sin

[potent pivot]

And not a video, just going to make a post that explains things as best I can with the info we have currently

[potent pivot]

Haste does not reduce the GCD

Rogue is GCD locked

[tight veldt]

Oh. God i feel so out of touch w/ rogue lately

[potent pivot]

Only outlaw gets hasted GCD and only during Adrenaline Rush

[tight veldt]

Man, i take a 2 patch break from my rogue and i feel like i flushed all my rogue brain cells down the toilet

[potent pivot]

The biggest problem with crit is that crit damage is nerfed by 50% in pvp

[tight veldt]

right makes sense. So haste is jsut... sorta dead stat and crit is on deaths door

(speaking sub)

[foggy void]

in shadowlands they changed crit from -50% to -25% did they change it back to 50?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[foggy void]

lame

[potent pivot]

Having some crit isn’t the end of the world for sub, but you definitely want to be as close to 0 haste as possible

[foggy void]

i really wish they'd put useful stats on the trinkets

its been haste and crit forever

[tight veldt]

where my mastery trinket

[surreal barn]

Maybe we can upgrade the crafted ones

[foggy void]

bring back reforge lol

[potent pivot]

i mean it kinda doesn't matter tbh

you get so much from the trinkets

[foggy void]

i mean yeah but it would still be nice to have 1k more vers or mastery instead of a useless stat

[tight veldt]

putting 3 versions w/ crit mast or haste too hard

[potent pivot]

i mean they're not useless

they're not optimal for sub, sure. but they still result in more damage regardless.

haste for example is one of the most popular stats in the game across the board

[surreal barn]

That dark ranger armor 👀

Should have leveled the teleporting velf instead of the orc

[foggy void]

link?

[foggy void]

is that up now?

[surreal barn]

Nope

Coming soon

[wintry dew]

#transmog

Heard the guy there already posted links and images

[jolly sierra]

lit a cosplay on an elf

[snow mesa]

the fact that deathstalker sub still pulls me out of stealth when i vanish because rupture beign up

is so annoying

[spring bough]

oh we about to be pvping dark rangers when that set comes out

[potent pivot]

bug report

[tacit cradle]

sooo

when is this anniversary patch with nerf

[potent pivot]

november

[tight veldt]

2 month copium event

give in october

[orchid plinth]

Expansion haven't even started yet and people want the next patch

[tight veldt]

yeah tier 2 remaster bruh

[candid tide]

do you guys have stop auto attacking on or not?

i feeel like having auto attack on might accidently break cc

[halcyon timber]

I build it into stuff like sap buttons

[candid tide]

on rog

[candid tide]

yeah that works too idd

[halcyon timber]

There are times where rolling autos is needed for smoothness of energy and such

Procs from enchants and trinkets etc

[candid tide]

that make sense, then ima put stop into blind and sap only

[halcyon timber]

Our autos do good damage so yeah

[candid tide]

true

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i do a targeting button and I have two diff sap buttons but both have a stop attaxk and !stealth command built in

So if possible, you can disengage from a fight and catch a sap and stealth all in one

[candid tide]

i tried that too but then !stealth on eviiscerate

what happens is that u do get stealth

but its a delayed stealth

[halcyon timber]

Yeah if out of range it will stealth

[candid tide]

not immediatlyh after the cd is ready

[halcyon timber]

I do that with a few abilities incase of roots etc

Same w smokebomb usage

[candid tide]

what do u mean out of range?

stealth should be possible anywhere

[halcyon timber]

If you cannot strike with an attack out of range for an example or you are kiting it will stealth you instead

Ex: stuck in cyclone / poly / roots , i mash sap . I will then stealth

[wintry axle]

Hi friends, you're using better blizz plates i assume. Where do I toggle combopoints for the frames, I cannot find it.

[surreal barn]

Any of you enchanters this xpac

Try to find out how profitable it is

[halcyon timber]

Nope im a forever alchemist

[candid tide]

weird i have a delayed stealth if put the macro on evi

like stealth has 2sec cd or some

it stealth at 5 sec or more

[halcyon timber]

Try swapping it around in the macro order for research purposes

Still have a stealth key rdy too though

[candid tide]

yeah good idea ill give that a try

[candid tide]

if it works it save another bind for some damage hehe

[halcyon timber]

I don’t have many keybinds honestly

Mostly professional items and stuff lol

I also have a cancel shadow dance if out of combat button so i can stealth

[candid tide]

dang that exist too huh

thought ive seen much alr

[halcyon timber]

Yeah as we cannot stealth w dance up

[candid tide]

i see

[halcyon timber]

A slick drop from combat can turn a match into 3v2 if you’re sharp

Ex: kidney healer and bomb on them so they cannot ps / guardian / x their team mate follow into a blind or if their team is dumb chasing a mage / shaman then you can sap

Its a tight window but it can be done and prevent them from throwing a big dr on a team mate

[candid tide]

yeah this some 2.7k stuff probs

[halcyon timber]

Just patience and timing , anyone can do it with practice

Because unga bunga dang sure isn’t going to use any intelligent use of anything

[candid tide]

nahh im still stuck at pressing the right a123 cc

needs more eye training on arena frames

[halcyon timber]

I just watch everyone and plan around that

Think of yourself as a point guard in basketball

Look for holes

And dump it to shaq so he can dunk on someone

[candid tide]

yeah keep focus at ur character center is something effective

its like staying grounded

[halcyon timber]

Lately evokers have been diving in smokebomb and rescuing people. Not sure if intended but its dumb

Dk abomb limb also rips you out of smoke bomb (no idea why)

[candid tide]

they have some anti rog kit

hence maybe the confidence

[halcyon timber]

All classes do, just people like to cry about us

Warlock curse of weakness is worth cloaking if someone can’t clear curses and you know you’re going to smoke em

Anti crit curse on a 1 min cd iirc

Im not keen on airborne irritant as ive always been a big advocate for gouge but it “can” be useful too

[candid tide]

i would never cloak COW

he can just put it on intantly again is my take

[halcyon timber]

You’ll resist it

Well.. usually this patch kinda messed stuff up but yeah

[jolly sierra]

moo

[halcyon timber]

Not criting is a killer and if the target is stunned then you’re g2g anyway

[candid tide]

but 20% dmg reduc hurts idd

[halcyon timber]

Bahhhhhh

[halcyon timber]

Im talking amplified curse where you cannot crit. 50% dmg reduction paired with their wall every 1 min = your arent doing crap to them.

[candid tide]

ah i didnt know about that yet, thats preetty fkd idd

[halcyon timber]

Yeah not criting is pretty much a fat dr

Horseman minions kinda soul link with the DK as well so its not bad to dot them up too

And treants from resto druid get confused healing each other instead of their primary target

More secrets worth mentioning

[candid tide]

wanna know my secret?

[halcyon timber]

Pizza pringles are better than the original?

Pretty good intel

[candid tide]

pizza idd

[outer sky]

2 more days

[halcyon timber]

Then revenge of the rogues begins

[outer sky]

Hey is there an addon that tells me what mats I need to buy to craft something while at the AH? I'm sick of having to go to the crafting lady, find the item, screenshot the mats, copy and paste it into paint, go to the AH, and then refer back to that screenshot to remember what mats I need and how many

[candid tide]

you can track the mats

that is required for the craft

[outer sky]

oh really

[candid tide]

yes theres an option for that when u go to the specific craft page at the lady

[proven kayak]

i lvl up a mage aswell

exp is crazy fast

[candid tide]

i got 9 chars maxed now

[ocean thunder]

Is there any guide on what to craft for arenas ? For example last expac we crafted same items as pve maybe with different missives / embellishments.

Are there separate profession recipes for pvp crafting or is it the same ones as pve?

Which pieces / embellishments are recommended ?

Do we get like 2 crafts for free like last expac with our first win?

[outer sky]

this season it's dfferent. You dont need sparks to craft, just the mats and the pvp ilvl buff pieces you buy for conquest

so last season we got 2 of the pvp ilvl buff mats for free

but were locked behind sparks

now there's no sparks for pvp

so we're just locked behind the conquest needed to buy the items that give the pvp boost to gear

[ocean thunder]

And is there any consensus on which pieces and embellishments we go for ?

[outer sky]

pieces we're not 100% sure. Embellishments we're not super sure of either but we have a pretty good guess. Sub and assa will probably want one of the weapon grip embellishments and one of the vers embellishments whereas outlaw will probably want double versa or double crit embellishments

[ocean thunder]

Yeah I need to check what’s going on with wpn embellishments I rather preferred not crafting weapons

[outer sky]

for sin and sub if you can make mastery your highest stat that weapon embellishment is really good

[ocean thunder]

I see it’s a bit weird - we can actually craft our gear now, put best embellishments and enchants and then just recraft to higher ilvl later.

I have to work on that a bit because I have full honor gear atm but it looks I can improve

[outer sky]

you cant craft gear higer than 613 until season starts tuesday

[sly horizon]

Which is better in duels sin or sub?

[outer sky]

so on tuesday craft 2 conq pieces and the rest 626 with the stats you want

[outer sky]

sub

[jolly sierra]

sub is overall better for both wpvp and duels (everything solo)

[wet crown]

the only thing I can't really beat consistently is a somewhat competent frost mage that has both blocks.

removing garrote from sub is a decision I still hate to this day

[jolly sierra]

that is since like 3-4 xps ago

just let it go

[split turtle]

Do u use snd as assasination in arena? Is crimson tempest used/specced into? Kingsbane?

[wet crown]

no, that's the frost mage's job

[surreal barn]

Wtf

The amount of damage assa can put out…

[jolly sierra]

time to roll back

[surreal barn]

my night elf will be the assa one

[jolly sierra]

k

[candid tide]

just saw whaazz stream mang

that guy is absolutely next level

noway pikaboo is on par

[halcyon timber]

The one you are more comfortable with is the right choice.
we are all tuned very tightly so it doesn't matter.

[ocean thunder]

I wonder how it turns out in SS. Losing dance and having it replaced with one vanish, not sure I like that. It will be harder to reapply impr garrote and we lose vanish’s defensive aspect if we use for burst.

I also can’t get around my head how the 7cp will work out - use tea for 2 x envenoms quickly while juggling our hero crit envenom? We had kingsbane and it was easier to do this kind of burst.

Kidney is also heavily nerfed, so vanish also used to stun - weird stuff

Finally I am scared of hero talent - if you garrote first and you get stunned right away you might not be able to apply it. If you ambush first you might not be able to use garrote..
Let alone the fact that your target might not be visible / accessible originally to ambush…

A lot of conditions…

[halcyon timber]

Star and a few of the other assassins found their way to deal with all that effectively.

Id ask them what’s up when you see them

[spare drum]

How strong is outlaw in pvp? Or rather, whats our biggest DPS pvp spec?

[jolly sierra]

both assa and sub are in pair apparently

in the top

[spare drum]

oh i see

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw is solid and that is coming from our outlaws showing it can hang

Literally play what you want . They need to keep that up to and they did say they are tuning next week on launch and keeping an eye and tuning again.

[gilded gulch]

its hard to measure honestly

like whaazz is a better tourney player/multiclasser for sure

and would 100% win rmp mirrors

[candid tide]

He is so fast and calculative

[stoic spruce]

OUTLAW MAKES LOVE TO THE DAMAGE METERS RAHHHHHH

[tight lark]

In all reality they could beat each other on any given day. Both are blizzcon champs. At their level you can’t even really compare.

[gilded gulch]

hes alot more dedicated to being a competitor

pika atp just makes his career streaming

[candid tide]

Ima watch some pika rog footages and compare

[gilded gulch]

and plays tournies for the fans

[stoic spruce]

Pika farms low CR arenas for content. He's more of a personality streamer.

[tight lark]

And they have both won awc cups if I’m not mistaken.

I mean yea he makes his living personality streaming but he’s also won at the highest level

[gilded gulch]

i havent followed na cups

since kawhi/luminosity shitstomped every team

[candid tide]

Whats more significant, blizzcon or awc win?

[gilded gulch]

until retiring

[tight lark]

Blizzcon for sure

Which they have both won

[gilded gulch]

blizzcon is definitely more when you consider

you have to play with people watching you

which might unnerve people

[dawn barn]

Anyone else experiencing random vanish breaks and other stuff not working properly on rogue? or am i going mad

[tight lark]

If one is better than the other we’re talking like 1% skill difference lol. Both are insanely good rogue players on both ladder and tournament play

[steep kiln]

playing on a different setup, desk, chair etc is infinitely harder imo. just playing on Lan in general is way more challenging

[gilded gulch]

whaazz’s team has more awc cup wins but they also multiclass/practice more

while the move was play drunk fall guys the night before

[tight lark]

Facts. And the nerves. If you lose on ladder it’s just gg go next but in tourney play you have to keep you’re composure

[stoic spruce]

I'd throw slurs fs. I couldn't do it.

[steep kiln]

[stoic spruce]

I'm a sore loser and a more sore winner

[candid tide]

When i watch whaazz stream like just yet, he plays with such fluidity and intensity but also so effortless

[gilded gulch]

kalvish also has a super stacked team tbh

in terms of player roster

[steep kiln]

I've seen online heroes in cs come to lan and just suck it up because of nerves etc. don't even think they cheated or anything it's just way different playing on another setup than what your use to at home

wonder what there combined /played is

[gilded gulch]

people are going to crumble to nerves

when they know their live reactions are being broadcast

[candid tide]

Ye true

[gilded gulch]

to thousands

[steep kiln]

holy shit he's playing hon right now 😭

[candid tide]

I dont have that kinda nerves xd
But also def not the kinda skills

[gilded gulch]

hearing people’s reactions live on stage

much different than reading a few twitch chat trolls

[candid tide]

This happens i think with the younger players more likely

When they have no experience dealing with thoughts and emotions yet

[gilded gulch]

Depends on the person obviously

[candid tide]

I remember bak in the days it was nearly impossible to play anything competitive if a person is watching me

[gilded gulch]

pika comes off as an extreme extrovert to me so he’s likely not as bothered I imagine

[candid tide]

Pika talks so much poop mang xD
Whaazz is subtly prideful but trying to hold it in for his streams it seems

[gilded gulch]

Pretty sure whaaazz used to be worse

But they were both around 18/19 in their first bcon wins

so tracks

[spring bough]

3s skirms with an R1 disc lol

[steep kiln]

could just be the recording but brother you need to crank that digital vibrance up

[surreal barn]

Deleted

[gilded gulch]

who?

[vocal surge]

I just smoked that Druid

[spring bough]

his name is playground

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw def seems to get a good amount of TC resets. That’s slick.

[gilded gulch]

Yeah im not sure

if that’s someones alt

[halcyon timber]

Ooked his dooker

[spring bough]

said hes got 9 healers lol

[halcyon timber]

Lord

[gilded gulch]

Name doesnt ring a bell tbh

and its not like the meme that weeb named hpriest is likely a zenlyn alt

[halcyon timber]

Saw him in blitz a lot

Def doesn’t panic to jack crap

[vocal surge]

Got my Leeching Fang

Time to health bar reset in 6 seconds

[halcyon timber]

XD

[gilded gulch]

Healer I got my notorious tabard with

played a df cup

kind of weird to look back on

[spring bough]

got another clip after deleted an HPal off the start the lobby after lol

[gilded gulch]

skirms are weird

killed a mage in kidney bomb opener

didnt blink or block

[halcyon timber]

Was committing data fraud so he can get buffed somehow

[gilded gulch]

mage players when fire isnt meta and have to play a spec without caut:

[halcyon timber]

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/toddlers-in-tiaras-kailia-posey.jpg

XD

Fire is just taking a short rest and about to roll a nat 20

[spring bough]

RMP outlaw >> RMP sin

@potent pivot i adoped 1/2 the tech, the mastery that is. 175k MG lol

[wet crown]

What's this annoying, presumably priest related spell that keeps tagging and preventing me from unstealthing when I'm like an entire zip code away?

[vocal surge]

1v1 1v2s 😄

ngl

was about to go bandage up

till the feral presented himself on a platter to get KS'd

and KS'd I did

[lime oar]

Outlaw players are unhinged

But I still love yall

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[halcyon timber]

Crystalline reflection but once you stealth it “should” stop tagging you. Ghosts from their appiritions thing (dot crits = casper haunting you for bonus dmg) will find you and break stealth as it is working the way it should.

Only 2 instances that can happen atm concerning priest. CR can sometimes reset the combat timer for us so to speak

[wet crown]

yeah, the main problem is getting to stealth with it slapping me. Annoying.

[halcyon timber]

yep, have to just keep on booking it down the hill until the final ghosty hits you (shadowpriest). It's just a delayed particle attack kinda like arcane missles except it's a little different as the distance changes between the priest and their emitter and you being the end target on your collision end point on whatever geometry node based set up they have set for their parameters.

[potent pivot]

where are you getting this idea?

[potent pivot]

outlaw is strong yes

[jolly sierra]

chat and played pvp this season

[potent pivot]

yes CT is used, it does a lot of damage. KB can be used for 1v1/2v2 situations.

[granite shell]

Did any of you guys just notice that the tooltip for the Trickster Subtlety Rogue Hero Talent "So Tricky" combined with the PVP talent "Thick as Thieves" says: Tricks of the Trade now increases the friendly targets damage by 15% for 1 hour"??!

[potent pivot]

if you want to say one is better than the other outlaw is better right now

[granite shell]

Has anyone tested this yet in a BG?

[jolly sierra]

never said outlaw was the worst, just than assa and sub are going better rn

[potent pivot]

they aren't though, that's false

sub maybe, def not assa

[jolly sierra]

disagree, a lot of the guys here and a lot of plays are going for both specs

[spring bough]

I see the tooltip about to try it 😂

[potent pivot]

i mean there's nothing to disagree with, it's factually incorrect

[jolly sierra]

outlaw is the one ive saw the least and the one which performed less when i saw them

[jolly sierra]

well, same as 1 target ct w not minions

we can both disagree in our stuff

u know

[potent pivot]

there's a reason zero people are practicing assa for AWC

it's because it's technically the worse pick right now

[granite shell]

Awesome! Please post and let me know! I am wondering if either you, your teamate, or both will be able to keep this buff for 1 full hour?

[jolly sierra]

how can be the worse pick if is performing well?

[potent pivot]

all i'm saying, is it is not performing better than outlaw

that's a fact not an opinion

[jolly sierra]

where are your sources?

[potent pivot]

kalvish, drake, legit any top rogue that's been war gaming

[jolly sierra]

do u have the clips?

[potent pivot]

you can go see their vods if you want

[jolly sierra]

dunno where

[spring bough]

it does not do it for 1 hour lol

just the 6 seconds

[granite shell]

That was very quick! I should expect no less from a Rogue! The talent must be nerfed in PVP then! I have been keeping track of EVERY Blue Post for both PVP and PVE and never once have I EVER heard of this being mentioned at all!

[spring bough]

The tooltip is only for the threat redirection so it shouldn’t effect the PvP talent

[jolly sierra]

XD

[potent pivot]

[granite shell]

That's exactly what I was thinking to but the tooltip says it right there clear as the clearest day that "Tricks of the Trade now increases the friendly target's damage by 15% for 1 hour"

It is the tooltip for the Hero Talent "So Tricky" that says: "Tricks of the Trade's threat redirect duration is increased to 1 hour"

[potent pivot]

Sounds like a tooltip oversight

For the pvp talent I mean

[granite shell]

Man! I swaer. There are SO many bugs in this new expansion! I know there was a persistent bug that only affected Subtlety Rogues where if Subterfuge wasn't talented into then you absolutely COULD NOT use Shadowdance at all (the talent becomes blacked out) unless you break stealth first. This was an issue for so long that Blizzard just made is practically mandatory to take Subterfuge by changing the order of the talents! I think is is STILL bugged to this day if you don't take Subterfuge as a Subtlety Rogue!

[potent pivot]

Yeah I tested mastery a lot because I geared for assa/sub first, crit just comes out on top so far but having a small amount may be decent

[granite shell]

I am not a coder so I do not know how this operates or what kind of conflict the lines of code cause but there are little things here and there that make playing a nightmare if you are a perfectionist and go in expecting things to just happen. I also noticed this Xpac that if you are a Warlock and attempt to take a Warlock portal while getting hit by melee it prevents you from portaling!

[vocal surge]

Get the control shard for the portals

The hitboxes on gates are just bad

[halcyon timber]

Stuff changes each expansion and new interactions are coded. Its a lot more complex than lulspaghetticode hurrr. Devs are working on it.

It sucks yeah but /shrug

[potent pivot]

There has definitely been an annoying amount of bugs for rogues this expansion, though I will say they’ve been fixing them. The problem is there’s just been so many, we’re still waiting on half of them to be fixed lol

[granite shell]

I saw that too! I mean absolutely no disrespect to this great content creator and would even go so far as to say that I am the one wrong and "misheard him" but the man in charge of Icy Veins himself said he hates PVP with a passion and ONLY does PVE himself in his latest video on Youtube and as such I see that Icy Veins is reccomending you take Mastery over Crit for even though crit sims higher. But I also though that he plays Unholy DK in arena 2s with Mud (who plays Fury Warrior)? I also know that Raidbots does work properly for PVP and doesn't account for all the PVP interactions and nerfs and even PVP ilevel in gear. I have to give praise to all the testers out there.

I think his name is Petkick? A nicer way of putting things may be that PVE has a wider market and he focuses on PVE first as a result and is actively doing his best to update as new info and Blizzard changes come about

[potent pivot]

what?

Seliathan is in charge of PvE Outlaw in IV

Shadenox writes the PvP guides for Outlaw on IV

neither of them recommend that

[granite shell]

OK. See, I am totally off with this. You are right. The task is delegated to different experts. I was attempted to understand and analyze why there is a discrepancy but I am way off.

[potent pivot]

Petkick mostly plays UH DK iirc

[granite shell]

I do know that Raidbots does for a fact have a disclaimer that states simming the exact gear in much more accurate than using their stat compare tool

[potent pivot]

not sure if he has anything to do with IV or not

[granite shell]

Thank you for clarifying. They could even be 2 completely different people

[potent pivot]

yeah and that stuff can only be recommended for PvE specifically

[granite shell]

By the way, since Raid bots is designed to sim for PVE and not PVP and also doesnt getr the ilevel different correct for gear, the most accurate way to sim for PVP would be to re-type each piece of gear in the Gear Compare and manually type ilevel 626 next to them because they default to ilevel 558, and this would be very time consuming. The best way to do things is to just play the game and have fun, and leanr as you go because as soon as you learn something Blizzard. In fact, i apologize for taking up your time in writing all this. I thought I was onto something.

[potent pivot]

there is no accurate way to sim for pvp, at all

there are far too many factors that do not translate

[granite shell]

On that note, the real thing to figure out now would be the exact timing and location of the Unbound Spoils chest the are popping up apprantly ever 6 hours and give you only 20 seconds to loot them! Xaryu did a post about this on Youtube. I know Wowhead has an article on this at: https://www.wowhead.com/object=441108/unbound-spoils

[potent pivot]

the times are figured out in the comments of that page

11am, 5pm, 11pm, 5am (EST)

[granite shell]

If you can get these now, you will be able to add a socket to your PVP gear right now and gain extra power at this moment (until the conquest gear becomes available this tuesday...)

[potent pivot]

you have around 10 minutes to loot it before it despawns

AFTER someone else has looted it, you only have a short time to loot it

[granite shell]

OH? Thank you! Now it's a matter of which of the 3 locations?

[potent pivot]

it randomly spawns in all 3

[granite shell]

at the same time?

[potent pivot]

it is supposed to Spawn in Hallowfall as well (4th location)

but that location is bugged

no, it randomly spawns in 1 location every 6 hours

and if it spawns in Hallowfall, you won't see it because it's bugged

so 25% of the spawns do not even spawn

[granite shell]

OK. That's exaclty what I thought. You would nbeed to assemble 3 different groups with 1 Warlock with Lock Closet per group and summon your members once a group confirms the Unbound Spoils chest

[potent pivot]

usually you just need 3 people

1 person in each zone watching their map

it pops up on your map like the wpvp crates do

[granite shell]

I did hear that Rare Scanner goes off once the chest spawns

[potent pivot]

you have to look at your map

i can't speak to the workings of addons

[vocal surge]

Lmao

I took off my chair's armrests

and my muscle memory kicked in so hard

[potent pivot]

some addons go off when it spawns, not sure which

but you can just look at your map

[fallen scaffold]

nova worldbuffs prob

[potent pivot]

i heard silverdragon alerts when it spawns

but i can't say that for a fact

[potent pivot]

yeah if you read all the comments, all the info the community knows about them is there

supposedly it's a weekly lock out as well

[vocal surge]

Whats up with people not joining skirms

its like the 2nd skirm in a very short period just flat out not joining

[granite shell]

It would be nice if someone made a weak aura like they did for the DIablo 4 goblin event

Maybe they haven't because that event was for fun and this event has an actual bearing on character power

[potent pivot]

There are WAs that track open world stuff

Dunno if any of them track Spoils though

[granite shell]

I have honestly never been more engaged with all this stuff before in my life! I have played for fun for over a decade but always missed out and barely missed deadlines and power-ups. I guess I can take solace in the fact that I do need to be sort of on top of things but not incredibly since all the highest performers in PVP joined in around the begining to mid of the season (you can check this with the new feature added on drustver with their "first to Gladiator" and "First to Legend" sections)

[granite shell]

Thanks for talking with me about all this. You are very good peeps!

[potent pivot]

No worries, happy to help where I can

[potent pivot]

Gearing FAQ for TWW

!!DISCLAIMER!!

• We won't know everything with 100% certainty until we see things Tuesday. Need to see exactly what kind of 626/639 gear can be crafted and what gear is on the World PvP vendor before making exact recommendations.

Do I need to use my Sparks to craft PvP gear this season?

• Sparks are no longer used for crafting PvP gear. Each vendor sells a different item level Heraldry, this is what we'll be using to craft our PvP gear.

What should I spend my Conquest on at the beginning of the season?

• Usually we buy MH weapon week 1, this is not looking to be the case this season. We will be getting a quest that we complete by week 3 for free weapons. From what I'm hearing it won't even be possible to buy or craft them until we complete this quest.
• Refer to this post for more info.
• Our most likely options for our first crafts/purchases are going to be Helm/Belt. Main slot pieces like Helm/Chest/Legs provide the most Agility. Other than that, buying pieces we can socket will be good.

What Embellishment should I craft?

• Can't be 100% certain until more people test them and share their findings, we will most likely know by week 2.
• With that in mind, the most likely options for PvP Embellishments are going to be:
  • Blessed Weapon Grip
• Duskthread Lining

The War Within - Gearing

Please check out the new https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713 for all the information we have on getting started with gearing in Season 1 of The War Within.

[dull bridge]

this is pog, thanks trickz

what is this free weapon business

[waxen meteor]

we still gonna get crafting material for two items from first win of season right?

[potent pivot]

no worries

[waxen meteor]

in tww

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna be honest i'm not sure about that

i haven't heard anything regarding it

i'm going to add a section about tier sets in a bit

because we get 1 tier item at 1600 i'm pretty sure

but i want to verify that first rq

[waxen meteor]

if we can get two free craft without conquest, would be nice

[potent pivot]

week 1 we get a quest that requires us to earn X amount of conquest, that rewards free weapons

but we can't earn that amount of conquest until week 3

i'll link blizzard's post in the thread

[waxen meteor]

okay, so off hand weapon

won't wait for 3rd week for mh anyway

[potent pivot]

with how easy it's looking to craft gear i wouldn't be surprised if we don't get free

[potent pivot]

huh?

we aren't going to be allowed to buy weapons

[waxen meteor]

week *

[potent pivot]

i don't think you get a choice lol

[waxen meteor]

ah i see

caster adv 🙂

[potent pivot]

from what i've heard buying weapons are tied to the achievement of completing the quest week 3

[waxen meteor]

nice info

[potent pivot]

they want everyone on an even playing field

like 2h weapon users and 1h weapon users

2h are so much more expensive, so they're making it so that we ALL get weapons at the same time

[waxen meteor]

tier set looks not bad, is it nerfed in pvp?

[potent pivot]

i added a link in the thread to the blue post regarding weapons but here's the link https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/tww-conquest-weapons-for-free-week-3-of-season/1879300

[potent pivot]

the assa/outlaw sets are for sure nerfed in pvp

on beta the sub set was not nerfed in pvp

[waxen meteor]

oh nice, so real 16% buff on evis

and more reason to ST before evis in tww

[potent pivot]

yeah the set is good

As long as it doesn’t get nerfed in pvp I’m pretty positive we’ll run the 4p

Can get vers or mastery from every piece iirc

[waxen meteor]

yeah

i think we will just forget about gloves

iirc

[halcyon timber]

They said they were going to tune next wk and keep a close eye and tune again. Im glad they are because aint no class / spec should be trash bandicoot especially due to bullshit like randall propaganda

[waxen meteor]

ok so i will decide my alt class s1 next week

[halcyon timber]

They have to stick to their word on that. Enough of the nonsense.

Same time, players have to stop doing the “teacher teacher!” Garbage too. If something is strong as heck, yeah tune it but not destroy something because of “ i hate x hehe”. Its immature and punishable by irl pvp

[potent pivot]

that's probably smart

i've already put hella hours into my DK lmfao

[vocal surge]

Moon Guard War Zone

More ally than horde xD

[potent pivot]

don't get me started

on the alliance of MoonGuard

[twin burrow]

are we crafting using sparks or can i full send pve spark crafts

[vocal surge]

Laughing Coffin taking on a raid

lol

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1282527705513853069

man that's nice

copy paste link instead of re explaining

[potent pivot]

So what’s going? are horde just raiding stormwind or something

[waxen meteor]

Good luck on nerf :))))))))

[vocal surge]

Nope, they're just there hanging out

They just stirred the hornet's nest (Goldshire Inn)

[waxen meteor]

pleased 1on2

[potent pivot]

They hang out together with wm on? Lmao

[vocal surge]

WM off PVP on

[twin burrow]

ty tricks

[potent pivot]

np

[outer sky]

even if DK gets nerfed, as long as it's not excessive it will still be OP

[potent pivot]

As long as I destroy the achievements before the nerf I’m alright

Lmao

But really unholy is the one that’d be getting nerfed

[waxen meteor]

how's dk playstyle though?
i did whole panda remix with dk, but i don't think i learned anything lol

[potent pivot]

Frost is good as it is

[waxen meteor]

in remix, it's pretty much 1234 everything dies

[potent pivot]

Frost sorta reminds me of outlaw in a way

Unholy is a little like assa but barely

They’ve got decent mobility, grips instead of step/hook

Multiple ways to break/immune CC

Human DK has like 4 ways to counter CC

[outer sky]

Every man for himself, trinket, icebound, lichborne?

[potent pivot]

Yeah iirc

[somber plank]

Have some of the stealth bugs been addressed?

Feels like I'm getting pulled out less often

[potent pivot]

only 1 frost mage bug

[waxen meteor]

is it just skirmish rookie reason or sub can actually do okay consistant dmg now in 3s now

[potent pivot]

both

[dull bridge]

wait till you see how much consistent damage other classes are doing

afflock and dk are going absolutely wild

[waxen meteor]

yeah of course, i am not comparing with those super dmg dealers

just saying sub seems to be doing a bit better compared to the 'sub standard'

[potent pivot]

a lot of it is just straight up Rupture too

[waxen meteor]

yeah....totally

[potent pivot]

i'm serious

you even Rupture in Dance now

[waxen meteor]

yeah i get it

i seriosly mean totally too lol

[potent pivot]

thought you were being sarcastic

[waxen meteor]

nono

[outer sky]

wait what

you rupture in dance?

no chance

[potent pivot]

i promise that you do

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAVWeKeyYMk

check it out bub

literally the same stuff i've been saying for weeks

in short video format

[outer sky]

mmm maybe in the first dance I guess I can see it

just not when youre bursting for a kill

[potent pivot]

you do

if the target doesn't have rupture

if they're like half health already or some shit obviously not

[outer sky]

rupture does more damage in the stun lock than an evisc?

[potent pivot]

with everything that amps it, sub's rupture does more than sin's

[outer sky]

yeah but I mean

in a stun lock

does it do more than evisc

because thats what I care about

[potent pivot]

it's also just another ability during macabre

macabre+darkest night+finality are big

[outer sky]

wtf is this

[potent pivot]

that's not all you should care about though, that's the wrong mindset

that's the unga bunga mindset

[outer sky]

You only have 6s to burst so may as well make the most of it

you can put a rupture up any time

[potent pivot]

this is from the old Nightblade ability iirc? prolly a details bug

[potent pivot]

that's not true with restuns either

[outer sky]

your dance is 6s

so why would I press something I can press any time

during dance

if it will cause my damage during dance to be lower

[outer sky]

ok 8s

idk why I thought it was 6

[potent pivot]

used to be

Just because the rupture itself doesn’t do as much as an evis, does not matter

The rupture damage+the macabre stack and lining your finality up with darkest night matters

[outer sky]

do rupturing during dance increases your overall damage during dance?

[potent pivot]

That’s what I’m saying

IF it’s not already on the target anyway

Because at that point you’re wasting the global and the tick dmg of the rupture itself is already ticking

[outer sky]

then why wouldnt you do it if the target is already half health

if its more damage

[potent pivot]

Because maybe you can kill before get off the last evis

The big darkest night evis

You know that rotations are situational

[outer sky]

i see so rupturing ensures you have finality for the DN evisc

[potent pivot]

Rupture->sectech->evis->evis yeah

So if you’re fully stun locking them anyway that’s the best way

With Blades etc

Been trying to explain this to everyone for weeks maybe I just didn’t do a great job with the explanation

[candid tide]

This will prob get macabre to 5 stacks

[potent pivot]

The first evis makes it 6 iirc

[candid tide]

So ur aiming for 1 big ass evi i guess

[potent pivot]

Strike/rupture/sepsis/sectech/cheap shot/evis
(Just counting them out)

[candid tide]

I wonder if that is more dmg than 3x evis at the last seconds of dance

[potent pivot]

I mean you’re still doing good dmg before the final evis

The last evis is just a fatty too

[candid tide]

Ima have to give it a try

The sepsis into tech u gave alr 80% dudes

[terse bolt]

assa is so broken at pvp why are you guys talking about sub here

you dont like winning?

[potent pivot]

[terse bolt]

cant wait for all subs to seethe

[potent pivot]

those are definitely some words

[terse bolt]

yeah dood, not big words just casual words

[potent pivot]

do you truly believe these words? or just trying to bait

like all 3 specs are good right now

but in no way is assa better than sub or outlaw

[terse bolt]

Dunno tbh, i just played 2 bgs as assa and won them literally with just having one healer following me

20-25 kills

this spec murders everyone in seconds

[potent pivot]

yeah if you've got a pocket healer and you're team fighting assa is disgusting

[terse bolt]

"oh no i will cc the healers and triple cheapshot everyone into a blind"

[potent pivot]

but in an actual RGB/Blitz setting you won't be doing those things

[terse bolt]

thought so

but honestly making sap last 5 seconds

and blind aswell

ruins all the fun

what's the point of playing rogue in rbgs now if not for ninja capping and then trashtalking

[outer sky]

sap is 6s

[potent pivot]

you can ninja cap some casters with long cloak iirc

[terse bolt]

6 seconds still not enough

with 80 ms

[outer sky]

I do it all the time

[terse bolt]

sap and cap, really?

[outer sky]

Yeah but the other player has to be dumb enough to stand right on the flag

[terse bolt]

there might be some ways to do it, like bait them to come close with smoke bomb and then stealth sap cap

but these are tactics applied only to brain damaged individuals

[outer sky]

Cap isn't GCD locked so you have to click cap and sap them at the exact same time

In blitz though

Cap is only 4s

[terse bolt]

ahh that makes it somewhat possible then

[outer sky]

I've capped on 2 people In blitz

Blind one kidney the other and cap

Or sap/blind

[halcyon timber]

Sap hunter + gouge his dog and steal heh

[terse bolt]

blind his dog you mean

[halcyon timber]

Well before the nerf

[terse bolt]

doubt you can gouge the pet for 5 seconds

[outer sky]

You don't even need gouge

If the hunter isn't in stealth

Kidney blind is enough

[terse bolt]

you just play assa now

and murder them

[halcyon timber]

Many ways

[outer sky]

Also you can cap within a smoke bomb in blitz

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[outer sky]

One time I capped waterworks on gilneas in a bomb before the other team got close enough

[halcyon timber]

Paladins love aggro ds / bop

[outer sky]

Had about 1/8 of a second to spare

[terse bolt]

i just remembered the thistle tea change

it is so over

it is over before it has even begun

[outer sky]

...?

The change is mildly annoying at mosr

Most*

[halcyon timber]

I thought of happy gilmore when you said that

Chubbs was in heaven xD

That scene

[terse bolt]

well, i think that there will be a lot of scenarios where you have to pull energy for the go

just so it doesn't proc

[outer sky]

Maybe for sub

[terse bolt]

so overall, to save one charge for the big go you will end up having a lot more "downtime"

assa too

[outer sky]

Nah not assa

Assa treats 150 energy as 0 energy

If you're anywhere near 50 you've already royally fucked up

[halcyon timber]

XD

[terse bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1QV6ow2NLQ

This is my reaction everytime someone tells me to pull energy

[outer sky]

It's "pool" energy btw

[terse bolt]

w/e

[outer sky]

But yeah it's annoying but it's something rogues have been needing to do for a long time

[halcyon timber]

No unga for bunga

[outer sky]

Tbh now that I think about it the tea change may be a buff for assa

"We see you've failed to stay above the 150 energy threshold. Here's 100 energy to get you back there. Don't screw it up again"

[candid tide]

why does whaazz spam so much shuriken storms with assa?

is it
to farm for evenoms?

[halcyon timber]

Mission failed bettah luhk next tyme!

[outer sky]

Maintain poisons probably

If you have full bleeds on all targets your energy will be regening like crazy so you may as well press something to avoid capping it

Even with sanguine blades

[potent pivot]

you need poisons to stay up on those targets to keep getting the energy as well

so it's a feedback loop

[outer sky]

Right

[candid tide]

ah yes that make sense

yes because after bleeding up targets its not guaranteed that poisons
are applied

[potent pivot]

poisons are usually applied very easily

you just need to maintain them

wound and crippling also just have powerful effects regardless

[candid tide]

ye also cause their duration is shorter than bleeds

[candid tide]

wound on all target op

[potent pivot]

is there a mercenary queue NPC in Dornogal?

horde are fucking stomping it tonight

[worthy crag]

near the training dummies

the opposite side of the building where the honor vendor is

[potent pivot]

word

[worthy crag]

anyone got a link to this trickster + ER build for sub?

im curious to see what it actually looks like

[potent pivot]

sec

[potent pivot]

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it's not going to perform like you've seen in people's videos

they were going full meme a prestacking coup/veins

[worthy crag]

Oh I never looked at any videos, but noticed some subs in skirms were running it

but their armory wasnt updated

[potent pivot]

yeh

it's pretty bad

oh you can also drop vanish/subt for lethality/cold blood

[worthy crag]

unseen blade proc seems to do alot of dmg at least, to make up for their low dps of backstabs etc

[potent pivot]

to bold blood the sectech or evis

[worthy crag]

lmao

[potent pivot]

well the build is just full on memes

it's so bad in a real setting

worse on energy

worse on reliability

worse on survivability

it can be kinda fun for duels or skirms

[worthy crag]

yeah looks weird

[terse bolt]

NO!

don't side with the horde

wtf

[indigo hill]

Been checking out the ptr. Dragon rogue is tempting... also 4 grappling hooks. This gonna be me in bgs.

[potent pivot]

what i'm confused about is outlaw still has access to Step

on the class tree

[indigo hill]

Nothing confusing going on. Just ignore it.

[wanton breach]

you'll be almost able to keep up with a monk

[indigo hill]

Monk got boringly slow.

Was my main up till this expansion.

[azure rapids]

2v1 :p

[potent pivot]

Can’t do self promo in the server >.<

[azure rapids]

ohh 😄

ma bad

[potent pivot]

If you want to post the raw clips to discord that is ok I think

[azure rapids]

cool,thanks for letting me know 🙂

[potent pivot]

[azure rapids]

how are we gearing once the season starts, what`s the first pieces you are buying

seeing as we have no vault anymore

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1282527705513853069

[wintry dew]

You done editing the faq?

[candid tide]

im so nervous for tomorrow lol

[potent pivot]

Not yet

I’ve added all the banners and finished the formatting

All that’s left to do now is plug in all of the information and pictures

[candid tide]

hope shuffle qs gonna stay good for a long time

[potent pivot]

We’ll see

The way that rating and seasons work it’s only beneficial to queue at the beginning and end of the season

I do assume Blitz queues will stay busy for this season at least

[candid tide]

beginning is just for fun and testing out right?

gearing up

end season is for title run

[potent pivot]

Gearing, grinding the rewards etc

[candid tide]

and then midseason it gets to 40min q😭

[potent pivot]

Also conquest weekly caps don’t really incentivize people to spam play either

Only reason to play a character past the weekly cap is to practice and get better

[candid tide]

thats what i need

but i quit in df because of 40min q average

thats just brutal

[potent pivot]

It helps to queue 2s or 3s at the same time

[candid tide]

yeah idd

[potent pivot]

Because you can be in queue for both

[candid tide]

but that takes some socializing xD

[potent pivot]

But that doesn’t help if you only want to play solo

At least now you can queue for shuffle and blitz at the same time

[candid tide]

nahh 3s is the only thing that matters imo

gotta make a stamp in that bracket

[chrome schooner]

Gotta have that #1 on the PvP tab

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

btw, i saw on IV that you recommended PvE embellishments. do you really think that's going to be a thing?

like were you able to do any testing of them on Beta etc?

[chrome schooner]

I changed them to radiant yesterday but I don't know when they'll update the commits

In the end it depends a lot on stat weigh + radiant damage proc in PvP

I know that in late DF secondary stat enchants were very much worth it, but we still all played Sophic because main stat

But in fact playing Haste or Mastery was probably better since the spec was sustained oriented

Might end up the same here, we shall see

[potent pivot]

radiant is the enchant, no? and gotcha

[chrome schooner]

Oh I thought you talked about enchants

About embellishment well

They are all bad

[potent pivot]

i'm assuming things will change over the next couple weeks either way as always

[chrome schooner]

So

Basically you play versa because you don't have a choice

[potent pivot]

yep

[chrome schooner]

UNLESS Elemental focus whatever ends up good

Didn't test myself

And if you happen to be able to vraft PvE max ilvl I think the Nerubian thing can really be good yes

[potent pivot]

this one could be really good i think

if proc % is good

[chrome schooner]

It is a lot of main stat even with the mastery deficit is a thing

Yeah might be

I wonder to be fair

This + the Elemental focusing lens

They all say when damaging a target

Is it when using a damaging spell, or when damaging

It is very different

[potent pivot]

this one?

hmm

[chrome schooner]

If it is really "when damaging"

Then with dots on 3 people

[crimson torrent]

which of these are better ?

[chrome schooner]

They may proc a lot

[potent pivot]

for which spec

[crimson torrent]

how often does forged alacrity proc

for assa

[potent pivot]

the bottom one for outlaw/assa

[crimson torrent]

do u know how often it procs ?

[chrome schooner]

Yes

[crimson torrent]

it says 20% chance but does it have a cd?

[chrome schooner]

Maybe it is bad but when I read it it is appealing

[potent pivot]

yeah if it procs from DoTs the uptime would be much higher

[chrome schooner]

Magic damage tics on our dots would be nice if the dmg is competitive

[potent pivot]

it has higher uptime than Badge

[crimson torrent]

i see , ok ty

[potent pivot]

Badge is good when using 1 minute burst windows

[outer sky]

That was garbage on beta. 2% of my damage tops and I tested with 2 of them.

[potent pivot]

like for Kingsbane, when running it in 2v2 or something

[potent pivot]

yeah the issue is things like that tend to change from Beta to Live

[chrome schooner]

2% overall for embellishment isn't bad

It is actually good

[outer sky]

2 embellishments

[chrome schooner]

You people seem to think it has to be 10% extra dmg or smth

But free 2% overall damage is insane

[outer sky]

it's not free

[chrome schooner]

...

[outer sky]

the cost is all your other options

[chrome schooner]

Just think about what was our best embellishment last season

Some +10 ish% mastery (with 2 of them) when above 90% health

Let me tell you that never translated to 2% overall

[outer sky]

2 of them was more than +10%. just one was 8 or 9%

[chrome schooner]

Depends on your spec

For assa it was 5 or 6

Sub it was more yes

[outer sky]

Idk I remember it being more as assa but sure

[chrome schooner]

Lets say both were 15% or so

Still not 2% overall

[outer sky]

depends on how often you had it up I guess

[potent pivot]

the new Linings (crit/vers) seem to be above 80% health instead of 90% as well

[chrome schooner]

Yes

They are

[outer sky]

yeah

[chrome schooner]

Which is better

[outer sky]

but theyre lower stats though

[chrome schooner]

But versa and crit are worse than mastery

[potent pivot]

yeah ofc

[outer sky]

as assa and sub you can force mastery to proc from the weapon grip enchant