pvp

[potent pivot]

yeah as assa that's still kinda true

all you've really got are Vial and Vanish for healing

[warm tundra]

how do we feel about cold blood on sub pvp

[potent pivot]

not good

[warm tundra]

i really like it, but i ran out of buttons and i hope its bad

[warm tundra]

great news

my buttons already cluttered enuogh as is

[potent pivot]

Tea, Deeper Strat and double Vanish are all way too important to Sub

[warm tundra]

speaking of

is it wrong to use tea as a dmg cooldown?

[mossy gazelle]

hey guys - is there an order/prio list for what is hould upgrade for PvP gear?

[warm tundra]

the mastery buff is so huge

[potent pivot]

naw that's exactly how you should use it

[warm tundra]

obviously not spam it all in 20 seconds

but when i go in my burst

i pop tea too even with almost full energy

[potent pivot]

like which conquest pieces to buy first?

[mossy gazelle]

no like with my valorstones for the current honor gear

[potent pivot]

you don't

[mossy gazelle]

oh hold onto those for conquest?

[potent pivot]

no

you still don't lol

upgrading pvp gear only affects it's PvE ilvl

valorstones are only for pve gearing upgrades

[mossy gazelle]

oh yeah LOL

[potent pivot]

pvp ilvl does not upgrade regardless

it will always scale up to it's original pvp ilvl in pvp combat

honor gear for example

is 548 or w/e in pve combat, but it's 626 ilvl in pvp combat

[mossy gazelle]

yeah, i just saw a lot of people upgrading their honor gear but i guess its bc they just arent doing heroics

[potent pivot]

yeah some people do that every season and i'm not sure if it's just because they don't understand how pvp gear works or if they just want the PvE ilvl

[stoic spruce]

I do it for pve ilvl because I use pvp tier in pve

And also start my push with pvp gear

[mossy gazelle]

got it, thanks for the clarification boys

[wanton gust]

I'll probably upgrade my trinkets, the war mode buff is p. good and my other trinkets are p. bad

[potent pivot]

war mode buff?

[wanton gust]

you get +12% mainstat when in bgs, arena, and war mode. (so it doesn't help in dungeons, but you get it out in the world)

[potent pivot]

yeah true

but why upgrade them

just for dungeons/rares?

[wanton gust]

more stats while out in the world, easier to kill people I guess. it's not a huge difference, but the valorstones and lowest tier crests aren't hard to come by anyway.

[potent pivot]

upgrading them doesn't affect your stats when fighting players

[inland thorn]

Yeah but it does when fighting anything else

[potent pivot]

sure

[wanton gust]

do you get 626 ilevel when fighting players in war mode?

[inland thorn]

Yeah

[wintry dew]

Yes

[wanton gust]

neat

[potent pivot]

you also just get better pve gear to upgrade by doing literally anything

[wintry dew]

As soon as the first instance of pvp DMG happens you and the other player both scale

[wanton gust]

that's cool, good to know

[potent pivot]

i've done 0 heroic dungeons and have half a pve gear set just from world content and weekly boxes

[inland thorn]

Yeah but

If you play in warmode it's better to have your pvp gear on

[wanton gust]

yeah

[azure rapids]

Full honor gear,în wpvp it s bis:p

[potent pivot]

yes

but

[inland thorn]

It's just dogshit if you don't fight players

I would advise against investing in honor gear if you do anything else than pvp though

[azure rapids]

Only pve is maybe some rare mobs

Outside it s only wpvp în wmode

[wanton gust]

I was only thinking about doing the trinkets, but I guess if it doesn't help with murdering other people it's not gonna make a big enough difference against rares/quest mobs to matter

thanks for the info

[potent pivot]

in full honor gear it's already a breeze killing any mobs/rares etc

[azure rapids]

Yep

[potent pivot]

without any upgrading

[warm tundra]

wpvp scales the honor gear to higher lvl?

[azure rapids]

Valorstones come from anything soo

[potent pivot]

yes

[warm tundra]

oh thats really good to know

since desc only says arena and bg

[azure rapids]

Pvp full honor în wpvp and any pvp is 626 I think

[glacial steppe]

is murlock io reliable for what gear to use

[wintry dew]

Yeah but right now it's mastery pieces

For assa and sub

For outlaw:

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

right now i would say no

[wintry dew]

You need at least 10 to 15% haste

[potent pivot]

murlok is just tracking the armories of the players that were at the top of the ladders last season

[wintry dew]

[potent pivot]

they could be logging out in full pve gear, random shit

a lot of top players will also just be testing out different things

they might log out with a terrible build they were testing

no way of knowing atm

[glacial steppe]

well i just got the vers mas helm is that good?

[potent pivot]

for which spec

[glacial steppe]

assasination

[potent pivot]

ye that's good

[glacial steppe]

ok thanks

[potent pivot]

for sub/assa you want every mastery pieces you can get, then you buy crit pieces for slots you can't get mastery

[dire sonnet]

Is there a thread about pvp talents somewhere? just realised they don't come with the talent string. Currently playing sub

[potent pivot]

(for honor gearing)

conquest will be different because of crafted items

[potent pivot]

not atm, going to have a pvp FAQ up soon for everything

but for sub you want Bomb, Duel, and Dismantle(into most melee or mm hunter)

[warm tundra]

is it healthy to have like 1% haste?

[potent pivot]

can take Veil of Midnight VS bleed heavy comps

or take Tricks damage buff to buff your team mate

[dire sonnet]

Alright ty

[potent pivot]

i mean, in general you're going to have like 2% just from trinket

atm still kinda testing to see if haste will be better than crit for assa

[topaz bobcat]

they buffed DK again? stupid

[warm tundra]

oh im talking about sub rn

[potent pivot]

with crafted gear we have the option of vers/mastery on every single piece of gear later

[azure rapids]

Curios on Outlaw what will w craft,what will be tier converted

If any

[potent pivot]

but having some haste might be good (for assa)

[potent pivot]

you're going to have like 2% haste no matter what from Badge

atm

[potent pivot]

outlaw's tier is garbage

and that garbage is nerfed by 50% in pvp so it's worse than garbage

[topaz bobcat]

nice exploit

[potent pivot]

[azure rapids]

So we go full conquest and two crafted?

[potent pivot]

wdym two crafted

embellishments?

[azure rapids]

Like we had books and head maybe

Yeah embelishments

Boots:p

[potent pivot]

yeah we still get 2 embellishments

[tribal phoenix]

Guys NE or Dwarf for M+ Outlaw

[potent pivot]

not sure what we're using yet

[potent pivot]

this is pvp channel

[azure rapids]

Mane try asking în pve maybe

[tribal phoenix]

Sorry, my bad

[wintry dew]

Hehe

[potent pivot]

ask in #outlaw

[tribal phoenix]

🤣

[potent pivot]

why do you have insignia on

[warm tundra]

wdym?

[potent pivot]

your dps trinket

[wintry dew]

I'll not tell you I have both offensive trinkets because I play human

[potent pivot]

i'd still run cc break ngl

[warm tundra]

should i go for ferocity or?

[potent pivot]

for sub yes

[azure rapids]

For outlaw is use the HP trinket:))

[wintry dew]

I know
I'll eventually buy it

[potent pivot]

[azure rapids]

Probably wrong but i like the extra hp

[potent pivot]

outlaw is the spec that needs BM trinket the least

[azure rapids]

:))

Will get the other for dmg, how you feel about trickster?

I see alot of people saying it s more dmg but is it though?

I like fatebound,with the grapple aswell

It s really helpfull în fights

[potent pivot]

as outlaw you really want Insignia and personally i don't like trickster because the capstone ability GCD locks you and has very weird behavior.
fatebound does more damage and is kinda just the overall better choice

[azure rapids]

Ty

[potent pivot]

trickster is still pretty viable, but it's downsides can't be overlooked imo

[topaz bobcat]

trickster is pve

[potent pivot]

i actually agree it seems like the most out of touch change they've made in a long time

i'm sure it will get nerfed with pvp mods bare minimum week 1

i just find it funny because the main alt i chose for this season was DK so i'm going to be pumping next week

[glacial steppe]

yall use plater or threat plates and do you have a good pvp profile for the one you use or just stock nameplates? also what is a good way to track your dots? right now i have a weak aura for that but if find myself staring at the duration to much and its hard to focus on the rest of the game

[potent pivot]

betterblizzplates automatically comes with 2 decent profiles you can load up

[glacial steppe]

ok ill look that up thanks

[potent pivot]

it shows your dots really clearly on the plates

[topaz bobcat]

i have every class at 80

ready to play the FOTM

devastation evoker seems pretty sleeper insane. DK likely gets nerfed tbf

[glacial steppe]

can you tell me were to fin the profile section in the add on please, i just installed it

[potent pivot]

sure

type /bbp

at the bottom you'll see Magnusz and Nahj profile buttons

click one, try it out, see how you like it

[glacial steppe]

ok thanks

[potent pivot]

i use Magnusz' atm

[glacial steppe]

it does not track the crimsons tempest dot is that normal?

also this is my ui currentlly, do think i should keep using the weak aura or get rid of it iyo?

[potent pivot]

you can add it

sec

[glacial steppe]

thanks i found it , it was blackisted

now it works

[azure rapids]

I find it weird în weakauras,I can find most abilities ,except snd

I just can t find it to make a simbol with duration

[potent pivot]

yeh i whitelisted it on mine

it's all very customizable

usually Magnusz' profile shows combo points under the plates too

not sure why it isn't for me rn

[glacial steppe]

its showing the combo points for me

do you use weaik auras? like the one in the pic i posted? i cant tell if its too much info and then i get to focused looking at that instead of the rest of the game

[potent pivot]

only when i'm doing pve stuff

they're kinda worthless in pvp imo

[glacial steppe]

thanks ill disable it and see how it goes

[potent pivot]

this most important thing you need to watch as sin is your energy

so just make sure you have a way to watch that easily

[glacial steppe]

thanks for the tip

[wanton gust]

The only WA I use most of the time is the one that says "hey idiot, your poison ran out" because I am an idiot

[potent pivot]

kinda crazy that we're still reapplying 1 hour poisons in 2024

[topaz bobcat]

part of the class fantasy

shamans have to apply weapon buff

[potent pivot]

yeh and dk has to go to it's class hall to apply it's shit

[warm tundra]

for pvp purposes, is it ok if i make my shadow dance always get followed by a shadow strike ?

so far ive never used shadow dance without immediately shadow striking right after but idk

[dark copper]

Does somebody know is it possible to decrease the size of pet health plates when using betterblizzframes?

or just remove them completly

[crimson torrent]

@potent pivot hey bro, whats the pvp assasin rotation ? do u start ambush or cheap usually

i know its situational but in general whats ur opner like

[potent pivot]

usually cheap or gar first

[crimson torrent]

then when do u ambush ?

[potent pivot]

cheap-gar-gar-rupture-ambush

[crimson torrent]

will u have time for second cheap ?

[potent pivot]

if you're going to recheap you'd do it after rupture

[potent pivot]

that depends on a lot of different things

you might need to cheap or sap someone etc

so if you're talking about a macro, i would not recommend it

[crimson torrent]

i see , then ambush after the recheap ?

[crimson torrent]

how much dmg do u lose if u dont double gar ... becasue vs orc's sometimes its hard to chain cc if i do double gar

[potent pivot]

ye

[potent pivot]

you're extending the duration of your Improved Garrote, it's kinda important

[topaz bobcat]

Is there a trinket that reduces cc duration in this xpac? or any other gear?

like with conquest or crafting

[potent pivot]

don't think so no

[topaz bobcat]

also, the evoker cc increase % doesn't affect max cp kidney, right? limit of 6 sec in pvp no matter what, correct?

[potent pivot]

there's an item that reduces damage you take during stuns

[topaz bobcat]

what is it?

[potent pivot]

i honestly can't remember off the top of my head rn

i think it might be a gem or some shit? idr

[woeful bear]

anyone knows the illusion name most of the rogs use on daggers? the big purple glow? can I get it somehow 👁️

[potent pivot]

there's a couple different ones that fit that description

[safe pelican]

Time to get kicked out some dungeons lvling assass 😎

I’m the tank healer get with the program 🙂‍↔️

[spring bough]

This DK in dornogal walking around full tier 3 warrior set with corrupted ashbringer 😭

[safe pelican]

Anti-Touch Grass committee

[jolly sierra]

send pic

[spring bough]

went into a game sorry =/

Aurablade on tich

[spring bough]

dude is a pvper too lol

[azure rapids]

foun it! just made a small one for slice and dice under the character 😛

[jolly sierra]

dude thinks he is back in the scourge lol

[spring bough]

bro been playing 20 years lol. elite pvper too lmao

[warm tundra]

whats the burst combo for sub?

just pop every cooldown and shadowstrike>secret tehnique/evis?

[candid tide]

the full burst for me personally goes with an all in macro

so open cheap -> shadow strike

then the press the macro which consist of shadow blades, dance, symbols, tea

then press sepsis immediatly -> then secret tech, and last remaining of the chain is spamming shadowstrike and evis

u might want to second cheap in between the chain somwhere if the target trinkets out of stun

or just to prolong ur cc during burst

[lime oar]

bro has aura fs

[wheat pendant]

hey guys, what is the stat prior for outlaw. vers > mastery > crit or go haste untill 10% then crit?

[iron flicker]

Agility
Versatility
Critical Strike
Mastery
Haste

[wheat pendant]

I see, thanks

[chrome schooner]

You want enough haste to gain a global during AR tbh

It's important

[lost eagle]

New to retail pvp, prefer sub but currently used to assassination because pve. Is the algari crafted pvp gear fine or should I be grinding out honor gear?

[jolly sierra]

oof

ye he fought the third war then

[spring bough]

any1 farmed this bee mount yet for the 900 pollen drops lol

doing it with WM on is fun

[keen dune]

Yo can dragon rogues double jump/glide while in stealth?

[lost eagle]

Took like 2 hours with a juicer group

[spring bough]

hell yeah

we ran across some horde too its been fun so far like 15min in and already have over 100

outlaw frost mage DH and fury war with a resto sham healing lol

[plucky escarp]

How do you get the socket from the world pvp chest? I saw people grouped up but I can figure out when it is a socket chest or just a normal world PvP chest

[proven kayak]

You don’t know it’s random

[formal crystal]

hows assa compared to outlaw in pvp

[compact moat]

i think assa is better

bigger burst

[wet crown]

Sapping someone on an overloaded dynamite node is the funniest thing.

[compact moat]

outlaw is good at cleaving though and out of stealth combat i feel

[halcyon timber]

Creative rogue tactics, a fellow artisan I see

[compact moat]

did outlaw lose their increase melee range?

[chrome schooner]

everyone did

sv, feral, rogues

[grim sequoia]

doesnt compare to the aoe of ass rogue

[gaunt elk]

is the fastest way to gear to just buy all the emblems for 150 honor and craft the stuff?

those?

[halcyon timber]

You can get full honor pre season gear within a few hours

[gaunt elk]

i hate bgs

[halcyon timber]

Your choice my man. You can do that if you want

[gaunt elk]

how long u think it takes

if i just spam bgs

[halcyon timber]

Season quests give a fat chunk if you haven’t done then yet (wintergrasp victory as an example)

Maybe 2-3 hours at most

1 av victory gave 1900 honor

[wet crown]

once you distract people off the stranglethorn docks you can't simply settle for just stabbing

[halcyon timber]

Definitely man heh

Sapping people in the path of an elite is great too

I think warp grenades from DF traded spots with people too. So you “could” get into a bad spot on purpose and throw it at them and all the bad guys would jump the frick out of them

[gaunt elk]

where do i get those?

[halcyon timber]

Or if you’re fast trade w people when you get blown off a cliff

Probably crafting work order as an “ EZ throw type grenade”.

Or be an engineer

Oh the quests

[gaunt elk]

but also the bought pieces we cant decide on stats... crafted ones we can choose on every slot :<

[halcyon timber]

Enter WG and the npcs have them in the staging area

Yeah crafted exists in pvp

Check the pins as Trickz put up a lot of info we have been discussing lately

Im probably wrong but the boys have said it is useful on 1 target recently

No idea how they set that up but it would be worth waiting for our Assassins to pop on and asking them when you see them talk

[chrome schooner]

If it hits only 1 guy then it deals less damage than if you just pressed Envenom instead

But if it hits one guy + anything (pets, other players etc) then the single target damage on that one guy starts to be worth it

Since it scales with the amount of targets hit

Deathmark does not diplicate Crimson Tempest

Shiv buffs Envenom and bleeds equally with Arterial Precision

So, yes, regardless of that

Since they don't matter

[jolly sierra]

that was trickz, still disagree w that

[plucky escarp]

Does Assa want to play Lingering Darkeness or Symbolic Victory?

In arenas

[jolly sierra]

its a very high maintenance dot for just a guy

[halcyon timber]

Right on man

[jolly sierra]

however if u do that w a dk or a demo it worth

[sweet swallow]

I’m a noob but doesn’t all bleed ticks help with energy regeneration

That might make it worth?

[jolly sierra]

the problem is the amount of combo points and energy doing that

cuz CT is very short in duration

its better to refresh dots or envenom imo

[jolly sierra]

that is just w both rupture and garrote

[lime oar]

But if u have full bleeds (empowered) and popped all CD’s on one guy, wouldn’t having CT up basically guarantee sudden demise

Idk

Just feel like the more that’s on him the more fucked they are

[gaunt elk]

hmm should i just keep my honor and buy heraldrys day1 to craft bis gear? (vers mastery on every slot) or is that troll

[jolly sierra]

that is very situational

i say in regular context when u are starting the possible 1v1 facedown in the arena

[gaunt elk]

these are dirt cheap... would mean i get to choose stats on entire gear set

[halcyon timber]

Go for it man. If you have it and aint worried about the gold then go for it.

[umbral olive]

If I just want to play a rogue to be an old school shitter doing world ganks and bg's would sub be the best choice?

Is assassination viable for that as well? Is there a pin I'm missing?

[halcyon timber]

We are all tuned very tightly

Play what you want

[umbral olive]

Oh all specs are fine for that?

[halcyon timber]

No joke

[umbral olive]

That's cool

I like that answer

[halcyon timber]

Closest we have been for sure and hopefully the dooming and fear mongering stops once and for all

All classes are solid atm.

[wet crown]

it's crazy how free frost mage is r/n

[umbral olive]

Yea I tend to tune the dooming out anyway but I thought some specs might be less suited due to dot focus or something

[halcyon timber]

Just have to be more patient vs frost atm

[umbral olive]

If it's all fine for being a shitter all the better

[cyan nova]

assa and outlaw are easy to play, sub needs more general ig knowledge and skill

[halcyon timber]

Def hard to kill

[wet crown]

i can kill them if i have everything, don't have it gg

[halcyon timber]

Experiences vary based on what someone does / doesn’t do

[wet crown]

Good ones, i mean yeah

i can stomp any reroller pretty much effortlessly

[halcyon timber]

Heh then they go to the forums and raise propaganda as standard procedure goes

[cyan nova]

he is veru strong

[halcyon timber]

Affliction ICD on wither interactions happened today. That will do everyone else some good.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/hellcaller-warlock-undocumented-changes-5-second-icd-added-to-blackend-soul-346527

Its important we track what our enemies are up to.

[potent pivot]

it costs multiple per item

[potent pivot]

should definitely be grinding honor

[warm tundra]

how many defensive broken cooldowns do ret pallys have

there is bubble, rthere is full hp heal, there is the shield

am i missing anything?

[potent pivot]

bop

sac

[dull bridge]

sanc

[jolly sierra]

bop/spellwarden
sac
shield of vengeance
bubble

[warm tundra]

bop and bubble

are 2 different things?

oh i see

at least it causes forebearance

anyone got any tips for wpvp vs ret pallys? best strat i found is to blind and run

[jolly sierra]

ye

both causes forberance

but one is just for phys dmg and the other one is full

both are enough to fuck up ur burst

[jolly sierra]

do a little burst in him without deathmark until he bop or bubble, vanish when they do that and reopen

open always w silence on them then kidney

[stoic spruce]

You were in the dk discord weren't you?

[dull bridge]

amogus

[jolly sierra]

sussus

[wet crown]

yeh

I played it in pve mostly, but unholy in prepatch was pretty goofy for bgs.

[wet crown]

the panic moment when they are running away where they realize they just gave you a free restealth.

[halcyon timber]

xD, people with common sense just bomb the area with Michael Bay transformers attacks but yeah agreed heh.

[waxen moon]

upcoming patch change, is rogue gonna be really bad? which spec should we now go for? assa or sub?

[potent pivot]

those changes are still two months away, and will prbably be iterated upon. even after those changes we will be fine.

[waxen moon]

as of now, assa vs. subs, which is stronger? or both fine

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are fine

[lime oar]

Should just pin that

With how much it’s asked each day lol

[potent pivot]

ikr

[lime oar]

Assa wild

[ancient oriole]

any good assa build for pvp..

[lime oar]

It’s in the pins

[ancient oriole]

kk thx

[mild viper]

hey guys, long time returnee player here, are professions worth to lvl as rogue for pvp and which should be to go for?

[potent pivot]

you don't have to level any professions for anything in wow anymore unless you want to make gold or craft yourself stuff

you have to have engi level 1 to use engi goggles or a Wormhole though

[dapper chasm]

I'm playing 5D chess here by still being abroad while the nerds theorycraft my build for when I come back

[mild viper]

oh lol, okay, thanks for the info .)

[dapper chasm]

Is sub king yet?

[outer sky]

we dont know

[dapper chasm]

Good enough for me

[wintry dew]

xD

[dapper chasm]

That uncertainty is the shadow from which I will strike

[crimson torrent]

why no kings bane in assasin pvp talents for pvp ? @potent pivot

arent u losing so much burst dmg ?

[potent pivot]

because it does pretty bad damage compared to dragonflight

you can run it in 1v1/2v2 scenarios

[crimson torrent]

instead of what ?

[outer sky]

Flarkness pvp tournament is starting soon

[potent pivot]

you would drop Indiscriminate Carnage for it

[ocean thunder]

In Df playing vs sub as assassin was like “they burst with bomb” or something and I have to trinket & respond and 1 min later they burst again in duel and I die more or less.
Did this change on Tww or is it the same deal ? I was trying to keep disarm or vanish and spam whenever they initiated a go and I prayed but it was usually not enough

[outer sky]

dont bother holding vanish for duel. They can see you in stealth while in duel

[ocean thunder]

Oh no I meant whenever I saw them kidney healer or pop dance I tried to pre vanish

[outer sky]

Lol

[warm tundra]

would i be asking for too much if ambush teleported sin to its target ?

i feel so immobile on this spec

[potent pivot]

you just have to play with that in mind

the vast majority of your damage is from DoTs, you don't need 100% melee uptime for them to be doing damage

[gaunt elk]

half way there x.x

farming honor is so pain

[jolly sierra]

bruh

[surreal barn]

Always has been

[halcyon timber]

Kite and use a defense. Depends what is going on. Its good practice vs any class to feint immediately when you’re healer is ccd. Can always blind / step dismantle . Lots of dynamic defense especially with bait and switch talent from deathstalker as an example too.

[compact moat]

been trying outlaw but the single target dmg is just so bad compared to the other 2 spec

what you guys think

[stoic spruce]

I think you're on meth

To put it lightly

[compact moat]

whats the build?

[vocal surge]

Trickster Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

There's a couple. The one in the pins is good though I assume that's what you're using

Yeah trickster

Well

Idk about arenas

It made me miss a few game winning kicks

[potent pivot]

Are you newer to rogue or outlaw?

The build in the pins and really multiple different builds can do great damage for outlaw

[compact moat]

new to outlaw

[potent pivot]

Outlaw has less burst than sub but higher consistent ST and higher ST than assa

[compact moat]

i usually only play assa really

[stoic spruce]

You should send us a vod

That'd be soooooo cool

[vocal surge]

^

[compact moat]

yeah i figured out assa and sub burst

i just cant figure out outlaw lol

felt weird having to press dice and everything

[stoic spruce]

I'd invite you to join my ghostly ghost pirate crew if you sent a vod

[potent pivot]

You only press it once

[vocal surge]

Ghostly ghost pirate crew?

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[vocal surge]

also ^what tricks said

You dont have to do a full combo point SND

1 combo point if sufficient for it

[potent pivot]

Usually you ADR->slice

As the gates open

[stoic spruce]

Open with deft if talented

[potent pivot]

But other than that yeah

[compact moat]

you dont do the between the eyes spam with subterfuge?

[potent pivot]

You do

[vocal surge]

Fatebound's burst window is every vanish while Trickster's is every Killing Spree

you do

[stoic spruce]

You do but you won't have CP for it after SnD

So you gotta Open with Ambush or BF if deft is talented

[potent pivot]

it's just good to get some globals out of the way before you open

ADR->Slice->RtB->BF(if not talented into Deft)

[vocal surge]

If you ever plan to use Cold Blood on Outlaw

Fatebound's Tail coins will consume the crit buff for itself

[potent pivot]

if you play Inevitability it doesn't

which is really the only way we play CB with Fatebound anyway imo

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[stoic spruce]

Also

If crackshot isn't your thing, you can play without it until 11.0.5. Just need more haste than usual.

Also trickster

Or fatebound ig idk

Trickster always gave me big pp dam

There's no gameplay implications for fatebound so I kinda just don't play it

[compact moat]

on crackshot description what does it mean when it say dispatched the target

[stoic spruce]

BtE also casts dispatch

[vocal surge]

It casts dispatch as well

[compact moat]

whats dispatch?

Oh

[stoic spruce]

The melee spender

[compact moat]

the skill

wait really

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[compact moat]

o

so 2 skill in 1 ?

what lol

[stoic spruce]

It's really 1 and a quarter

[potent pivot]

it's basically just extra dmg on bte

[wild wigeon]

Why no KB for the sin loadout?

[outer sky]

its garbage in 3s

[wild wigeon]

ah

[neat dove]

what does the echoing reprimand meme build look like? Ive been consistently gotten hit for 2mil by it.
something like this?

but i feel for them to crit so consistently with it theyd take cold blood?

[stoic spruce]

There is no meme with it (you shut your whore mouth, they may be watching)

No no CB

[potent pivot]

yes they take CB

[stoic spruce]

They can

But you don't have to

[potent pivot]

if you're going to play the meme build

you go full meme

[neat dove]

no deeper stratagem then?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah you go sub

We get it

[potent pivot]

no van/subt

[neat dove]

ew

[potent pivot]

you're asking about a meme build

you don't drop damage

you drop utility

[neat dove]

still got a point in subterfuge, thats supposed to go into 3%leech?

[potent pivot]

no

you understand this is only effective for duels/1v1 wpvp correct

[neat dove]

also low tier arena

[potent pivot]

you will get your shit kicked in in arena and BGs

hang on 1 sec

[neat dove]

hm i only hit for 1.7mil 😦

[potent pivot]

you'd be a lot better off with the pinned build in arena

being real with you

[compact moat]

maybe im bad as outlaw i just do a lot better with assa in arena

but felt like assa is better in arena

[potent pivot]

you're probably just more comfortable/better at assa

[chrome schooner]

how much does the reprimand hit as sub with builds like that

[compact moat]

are they supposed to be equal?

[potent pivot]

2m, it really isn't worth

you lose so much

[chrome schooner]

well on 6m pools could be good with a rotten build & goremaw

[potent pivot]

yes u play it with both

the deathstalker build is just way more reliable

[neat dove]

ye thats roughly what ive been using, only a few differences.

Trickster
vanish shield instead of speed
better feint instead of cheat death
cheaper feint/crimson vial instead of 10% more slow from poison
6% crit from symbols instead of full cp from entering stealth

[chrome schooner]

yah i've been playing with DS and finishers it's more fun

[potent pivot]

should only play trickster if you're playing the meme build

imo

[neat dove]

but have you considered

2minute distract

i rest my case

[potent pivot]

what does that matter

it makes distract into a dps button

it doesn't function like smoke bomb

[neat dove]

calling it a dps button is also generous

[potent pivot]

ye ik

coup can just completely fuck up your stun locks

[neat dove]

coup is so clunky

biggest disappointment

[potent pivot]

only reason you play trickster for the meme build is the crit dmg

but dropping subt->vanish is just going to be terrible in rated content

[neat dove]

why not let coup be a big eviscerate instead of these weird 5hit instances that lock you out of everything

[potent pivot]

yeah idk it's a very weird design

[worthy crag]

I doubt people will use trickster even if coup was just an evis

[potent pivot]

probably not yeah

DS is just really good all around

[neat dove]

ive basically not played with deathstalker so far, anything i have to watch out for, does blind remove the marks?
do i just do a normal burst opener or do i wait for the final mark to be removed for dance+symbols for big eviscerate?

[potent pivot]

blind does not remove it

and singular focus will break blind

[worthy crag]

idk if I would call DS good, rogue trees just seem pretty underwhelming compared to other class hero trees but trickster is just so clunky to use in a pvp instance

[potent pivot]

i'm saying it's too good relatively

in comparison

[potent pivot]

you usually just get to the big evis in your burst anyway

during a Blades go

[neat dove]

but then you lose out on the 15% extra evis dmg on it from symbols activation

wouldnt flagellation make some sense?

[worthy crag]

no flag

not in serious content

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter, it still hits for 2m without it

[worthy crag]

you cant really proc darkest night on the opener (unless you pop blades in the opener and the enemy team does nothing to stop you) but followup bursts your goal is to have it ready

[neat dove]

okay

[potent pivot]

ye if no one peels your opener you get it

[worthy crag]

if ur blades is up, you can just put in 3 finishers or even 4 so 15% evis from sod doesnt matter, it matters that you shove in as many finishers as you can

it comes to matter when you are setting up without blades

like if ur aiming to stun, sec tech, and end it with evis, that evis should have finality, darkest night and 15% buff

[neat dove]

btw do you use backstab once during dance for 6% more from dance macabre?

[worthy crag]

no

i dont

[potent pivot]

we aren't that fucked yet

lmao

[worthy crag]

people care too much about danse

[potent pivot]

i like to use rupture as my first global a lot

if it's not already up on the target

[worthy crag]

like if shadowstrike does 300k and backstab does 130k

you sacrificed 170k damage to get a 4% buff

[neat dove]

i think its being done in pve but there it doesnt matter as much, you got all the time in the world

[worthy crag]

which doesnt even come close to paying off

in pve its also 6%

pvp is 4%

I think you are also supposed to pandemic dance in pve, but im not sure if that means danse stacks carry over to the second dance

[neat dove]

never tested that

or rather, never looked at it, i did certainly chain dances in pve

and then reset with vanish

[worthy crag]

yeah me neither, danse is just kinda fire and forget

people do themselves a diservice by thinking about it

[neat dove]

already missing invigorating shadowdust 😦

[potent pivot]

we still have it for a couple months

[worthy crag]

its a series of nerfs that pile up together

[neat dove]

yeah its like playing boardgames with your cancersick grandma

[worthy crag]

i wouldnt mind shadowdust being removed if kidney wasnt so damn long

maim is still 20 sec, might as well roll feral

[neat dove]

and main deals dmg

[worthy crag]

youll just want to commit to memory different variations of your setup based on blades being on CD, sec tech being on CD, etc

[neat dove]

smh 2 days ago t1 weapon enchants cost 300g, now they cost 2k what happened and why didnt I foresee this and buy a bunch of them

[potent pivot]

people reset the market on items all the time

just to merch

[neat dove]

ye i was banking on that in s4 DF

[potent pivot]

if you see something you need at a good price, always buy first ask questions later

[neat dove]

https://undermine.exchange/ I usually consult this, they got price history

[potent pivot]

Yeah

That’s also great for items that aren’t region wide

Now with war bands you can make a level 1 and buy anything on other realms

[neat dove]

oh didnt even think of that

[potent pivot]

Yeah helps for things like bags, reagent bags, other shit you need for alts

34 slot bags on some servers are like 200g+ each

While on others they’re 45g

[neat dove]

that cheap?

i mean i wouldnt mind 200g

theyre 2k on my server 😄

but i get the point

[potent pivot]

For 34slot?

[neat dove]

ye

[potent pivot]

The 36-38 slots are usually 2-5k

2k is insane for 34 unless I’m remembering incorrectly

[neat dove]

ah its 2k for the dragonflight one, its 1.3k for the green one

or 1.2k

[worthy crag]

AH is still separated by servers?

[potent pivot]

Yes

Only large stack items are regionwide

Most crafting mats, and other things of that nature

Gear and a lot of other stuff is server specific

[neat dove]

thought server group

[potent pivot]

Yeah maybe, idr the exact restrictions

[neat dove]

hm seems like the entire market got an upward shift a couple days ago, 3 days ago the green 34 slot bags cost 300g

on my server at least

so i should make a character in another region perhaps

[potent pivot]

Yeah most likely a few whales reset the markets

Bound to happen especially right before season starts

[stiff badger]

whats the best spec looking like for RBGs

[neat dove]

probably sub?

[potent pivot]

atm just play what you're best at, we'll see how things shape up after the season starts

[topaz bobcat]

I'm still here

[dull bridge]

@outer sky cleaving it up on the flarkness tourny

[stoic spruce]

As what spec

[dull bridge]

assa

[stoic spruce]

At least it's not sub

[graceful ravine]

when are the new rogue changes implemented? the one with auto tea below 50 energy

is that for tuesday or next patch?

[jolly sierra]

next

patch

[graceful ravine]

aw

the snd change is a good QOL

why not just implement it now smh

[swift smelt]

good yard @outer sky

[outer sky]

damn, close

[stiff badger]

whats best sub spec for pvp sub

[dull bridge]

sub

[potent pivot]

in the pins

[outer sky]

I spit my drink out

[outer sky]

You still want to bet me on that week one 2100?

[dull bridge]

looks like dragons, dks and frost mage are going to run the game until the next tuning pass

[outer sky]

That's my Boi xeah you're watching

He's my mage for glad push so yall get in line

[potent pivot]

[tall flame]

how do you open as assas in pvp? I'm looking at guides and they recommend going Death stalker but also don't tell you to press ambush which is confusing

[potent pivot]

you just have to ambush during subterfuge

[tall flame]

so something like CS > Ambush > Garotte > Rupture?

[potent pivot]

or gar-gar-rupture-ambush

[tall flame]

awesome, thank you

[somber plank]

Thank you Reddit, very cool

[halcyon timber]

Eh stopping someone is pretty dang useful when it is crucial, even if it is 3s. Old days of shiving a fat mind numbing poison were nice though. That didn’t last going through DF though as casters blew a fuse about it.

[tiny ether]

Where was the tourney streamed?

[potent pivot]

Flarkness on twitch

[tiny ether]

Tyty

[sick wasp]

What needs ''balancing'' right now on pvp isnt interrupts,those are fine.Its the micro cc that makes pvp feel bad

ministuns/miniknockbacks that dont dr like blastwave does with shaman totems etc

also the new warrior tech is kinda disgusting

[somber plank]

Lmao yeh I reckon the guy who posted that just somehow lost a couple 1v1s to some melees and had to go to Reddit to vent

[potent pivot]

New warrior tech?

[sick wasp]

the fury-tanking-everything-in-your-face tech

and the stuns all the freaking time

[potent pivot]

Fury is actually looking a little squishy rn from what I’ve seen at least

[sick wasp]

i can blow them up on my mage ik how they are,not all casters can handle them

especially healers

does stupid amounts of dmg

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Sub and frost especially fuck them up

Outlaw too kinda

[sick wasp]

ive been trying to lightsmith heal on my paladin,then tried my druid,then played with couple of hommies that heal

all said the same thing for fury wars

''ild rather have a dk train me''

[candid tide]

Whats with fury they hit u once and are full hp again

[azure rapids]

Monkey class 😛

[sick wasp]

from what im getting its either colossus which is a big oneshot

or slayer which is how tryndamere is in league

kind of thing

[potent pivot]

I’ve been watching some warrior war games here and there the past couple days

Honestly seems like they just flop into rogue teams

[azure rapids]

In 1 v 1 without bleeds i have trouble killing them

as Outlaw

[last jasper]

who knows is there a way to solo m argus?

[potent pivot]

Should be easy, that’s legacy content isn’t it?

[last jasper]

I just tried. can't solo eonar. Just thought maybe there is a skip or something

[potent pivot]

On a level 80?

[halcyon timber]

Bloodthirst and other stuff. Have to pick a time to dismantle /kite / creative use of stuff or just burn them the frick down when they don’t have a stun and you evasion their crap. Many ways to deal with it.

[potent pivot]

Search it on YT

There’s vids of how to solo

[sick wasp]

there was a bug with legacy raids n stuff,scaling to be rly rly hard

idk if thats a thing still but was first week for sure

[potent pivot]

That was SL and BFA raids only I think

[sick wasp]

yeah maybe im not entirely sure

[candid tide]

Gotta start putting dismantle on bar again

[last jasper]

yea, instant death when I failed a mechanic 😄

[potent pivot]

You called a mechanic?

Nah but in all seriousness, idk

[halcyon timber]

A well timed shiv when certain enraged moments makes them blow another global as well to buy you time. Them having second wind up a lot now is rough but yeah. Have to pick your shots and read them well. Don’t do silly stuff like evading when he will intim shout you and mop you in it though ha.

[candid tide]

Toobad they removed shiv years ago for sub alr

[last jasper]

yea, boss mechanics. you need to defend here or some shit which you can't do solo, sadly

[halcyon timber]

Eh? We all have shiv man. Top left talent in class tree.

[candid tide]

U got shiv on sub?

[potent pivot]

Yeah I was joking

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir we all do.

[last jasper]

I got that 😉

[candid tide]

I run whaazz talents, idk, mustve missed it then

[potent pivot]

Okok

[last jasper]

some rogues don't use shiv as sub. like whazzz if im right

[halcyon timber]

Top left of class tree. Shiv is a wicked slow to buy you time or make a solid play around a pillar etc.

[halcyon timber]

Sure i guess man. All personal preference in the end.

Can think of 40 billion uses for it though

[native trellis]

is it worth to play pvp in assa spec or way better playing sub cause of more control etc?

[potent pivot]

All specs are viable rn

[halcyon timber]

The assassins here have been happy with it

[last jasper]

Like?

[native trellis]

thanks

[halcyon timber]

Examples above and creating weird gaps where someone cannot get in line of their healer at the time or dropping a sneaky bomb and yadda yadda

Slowing the heck out of someone to peel

[candid tide]

Or poison knives123 is insane for that too

[halcyon timber]

Many uses , all up to the rogue to see what they want to do with their kit

Healer is shived , cant catch up to fc and you are a thorn in his behind . Using terrain and yeah, just lots of awareness for hidden creative use

Make a paladin blow freedom and panic is another good use

[potent pivot]

Shiv is a stronger effect

[last jasper]

And sub doesn’t have poison knife

[last jasper]

Isn’t you just cheap in this situation?

[potent pivot]

Shuriken toss

[halcyon timber]

Shiv a dinosaur that is running at you at mount speed and hitting a pillar / running up stairs in mugumbala and “may” catch stealth or get a slick sap on something g

[halcyon timber]

Id rather save the stun dr if i don’t have to

[candid tide]

True, but pk can be thrown from miles away

[potent pivot]

Ye but that’s mostly when you are getting kited

[candid tide]

Think its a 100% application rate too

[potent pivot]

Shiv is good for when you want to kite them

Most of the time anyway

[halcyon timber]

Great for tigers peak too

[candid tide]

I saw whaazz doing it in awc and it looked insane

[potent pivot]

Poison knife is usually only used because you can’t reach someone

[last jasper]

He is the one who usually isn’t specced into shiv)

[potent pivot]

Or already kiting and far enough away

[candid tide]

Like if ur bursting something down and healer trying to get in range to heal

[halcyon timber]

Often can tick off a warr and make them blow heroic leap too

Or evoker panic and use hover to clear it

[potent pivot]

I don’t think you use it mid burst no

[candid tide]

I guess not mid burst ofc

[potent pivot]

The healer will be in range before you can even pk them

Usually you only stop mid set up to stun or blind etc

Depends

[last jasper]

Oh, we don’t you sparks this expac for pvp? How do we craft then?

[halcyon timber]

Separate pvp thing. I “think” trickz pinned it too

Prob wrong but he was talking about it the other day

[candid tide]

What does it mean to play around cds?

[potent pivot]

Heraldries pruchased with conquest

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so, I plan on making a gearing mega post soon

[halcyon timber]

Right on man

[potent pivot]

Playing around offensive and defensive CDs. That’s how wow pvp is played.

[potent pivot]

Only thing I’m still not sure on is embellishments

[candid tide]

Is it to make them waste cds and make little use of it?

[potent pivot]

I’ve heard weapons won’t even be available into week 3 period

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that’s all up in the air for sure atm. Prob some tuning coming out for those.

[potent pivot]

Like we can’t even craft them until we have an achievement from completing the weapon quest

[potent pivot]

Even if they get use out of it that is usually fine

[halcyon timber]

Yeah sounds like they did that to see how things are rolling first

[last jasper]

Just curious. Usually we start with 1p of crafted

[potent pivot]

CDs are why certain classes or comps counter others

[halcyon timber]

Still think depths needs to chill a bit

[potent pivot]

Same

[candid tide]

Trying to survive their cds? And kite their defensive idk

[halcyon timber]

Was a very hefty source of damage on beta for afk effects

[potent pivot]

You target swap usually when they press defensives

[candid tide]

I just dint grasp what playing around means

[potent pivot]

You have to trade something when they use offensives

[candid tide]

Ah yes

[halcyon timber]

Chess, not checkers

[potent pivot]

Like if a ww blows their offensive CDs and they’re hitting you, you or your team have to trade something

[candid tide]

I see

[halcyon timber]

Analogy for simplicity

[candid tide]

Gouge is the cheapest

[potent pivot]

Yeah and apparently it’s already out

[gilded gulch]

pov its sl and you play with a half decent mage

that just db rings a ww pop

[halcyon timber]

How? Its from the raid

No?

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

Unless enchanters have a way of discovering stuff

Like us alchemists do when we meth lab blow ourselves up

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

XD

[gilded gulch]

sending depths on an honor weapon

[halcyon timber]

Go for itttt

[gilded gulch]

XD hell no

[halcyon timber]

XD

[gilded gulch]

even if i have 3,8m

[halcyon timber]

500k for 1

[gilded gulch]

maybe on a dead server

[halcyon timber]

Jeezee

Anyone have a list of the embellishments btw?

Somethin to read while im on me phone

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-embellishments-in-the-war-within-weapons-and-armor-338918

[halcyon timber]

Thank ya sir

“Could” see some of the set bonus ones potentially used in arena. The weapon ones look nasty but those are def in nerf territory.

[glacial steppe]

is this normal or am i just bad, it feels like i hardly ever get to cast envenom because i am constantly refreshing my poisons/dots

[indigo hill]

They can buy bags that can contain recipes from raids etc. Some enchanters already have the recipe that drops from the last raid boss.

[stoic spruce]

Should be a mechanic

[potent pivot]

that's pretty normal

in multi target scenarios at least

[stoic spruce]

You're pretty normal in mult target scenarios

Freakin gotten

I can't wait until I'm off

Gonna play so much outlaw

My hands will burn and my eyes will bleed

Pirate coffee

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir, saw that on launch but thought nothing of it.

[halcyon timber]

That’s a good brew. Goes really freaking well with coffee cake from walmart or whenever they have like the guava tarts. Been a minute since I bought pastries from their bakery.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I love it so far

I added too much coffee to the maker and it tasted like gunsmoke

So immersive

[halcyon timber]

Man i like that carbon smell

Makes me think of the days stuck in the field

In my god dang fox hole

[glacial steppe]

can anyone tell me whats the basic opener and rotation for assasition please

[potent pivot]

cheap-gar-gar-rupture-ambush

[glacial steppe]

ok i was doing cheap then gartoe, the ambush and the crimson tempest i think

we do use crimson tempest right? whats a higher pirorty to apply, crimson or rupture

[potent pivot]

garrote>rupture>crimson tempest

you mostly use CT when you can hit 2 or more targets

sometimes you can use it on 1 target, but not as often

[inland thorn]

Are there any embellishments for pvp?

[glacial steppe]

Thanks that.migh explain why I was doing so bad, I was using the wrong rotation and always priorizing crimson even on single as I thought it did.more dmg then rupture and I had no time to envwnom them

[potent pivot]

Yes. We don’t know what we’re going to use yet.

[potent pivot]

Garrote and rupture ticks regen energy for you so they are very important

Cleaving Improved Garrotes and Ruptures from stealth Indiscriminate Carnage are very important

The more bleeds you have up on more targets snowballs your damage

Snowballs energy, damage % modifiers, Agility buff, a bunch of stuff

Assa’s strong suit right now is AoE

[nova viper]

i wanna BRCC in EU

[stoic spruce]

Well they can't

Because of some reason they put kn the package

Idr

This one has chocolate

[halcyon timber]

Need a bag of softees donuts to go w that

Freakin love those donuts

I wonder what a little bit of caramel would taste like with that coffee too.

[stoic spruce]

I added maple syrup to it

Was very good

[topaz bobcat]

so is sepsis removed or not

[potent pivot]

those changes are for next patch

[topaz bobcat]

I'm aware guess let's wait. it's for the october/nov patch right?

also where do I get the nahj profile for betterblizz plates? or is there a better profile for washed up rogues?

[potent pivot]

november

[potent pivot]

i use the Magnusz profile. the addon comes with both preloaded

type /bbp

then click the profile you want to try

[topaz bobcat]

cool

[topaz bobcat]

alright gonna be so many tuning passes till then pointless to really discuss rn

[potent pivot]

yeah hopefully they keep iterating upon the announced changes from now until then

[topaz bobcat]

got this unbound chest on my rogue only 1 tho

limited once per week per char right?

[potent pivot]

the socket chest?

[topaz bobcat]

yes

These imbeciles kept trying to pick a fight over it ninjaed it

[potent pivot]

yeah tends to happen, sometimes the fights are so bad no one gets to loot it lmao

[topaz bobcat]

can anyone confirm u can get max 1 socket per week ?

[potent pivot]

i've heard that it's supposedly 1 per week per char, but i've also heard different

i don't think anyone has made any posts proving it without a shadow of a doubt

i know of someone who looted 3 week 1

but they may have hotfixed it so that it's a weekly lockout since then

because most people are saying it's weekly now

[stoic spruce]

Big Beautiful Pirates

[topaz bobcat]

dafuq is this fear now

spriest does entire void torrent on me fear doesn't break

is there new talent for locks and spriests to give them unbreakable fear?

[stoic spruce]

No, the dmg threshold for blinds and fears were increased when they did the CC nerfs

Gave warriors an aoe stun

[proven kayak]

why weapon enchant is that expensive?

20k is crazy

[spring bough]

id expect that for atleast a few weeks into the season

[potent pivot]

bro how tf do roots work on people flying

but no other CC

tf

[spring bough]

5 paladins and 3 elementals in this temple bg. good to see we have enough of those lol

oh and they all on the same team lol

[glacial steppe]

following what you said along with the opener i am doing a lot better and now have full honor gear

[wet crown]

Did they do that for mage roots too?

Feels like I've sat in full frostbite way too often.

[warm tundra]

that breaks on hit??

[potent pivot]

that's great to hear, feel free to ask if you need any more help

[potent pivot]

Could always buy a rank 1 of a different enchant

Having a suboptimal enchant is still better than none

I swear the ring enchants were like 5k a couple days ago and now they’re 20k

[woven moss]

when mages go invisable would fan of knives find them ?

or do i need to hold smoke bomb and a vanish so i can do my open?

assassination btw

[potent pivot]

Do you mean like at the start of a match?

Because in that situation you can just wait them out or open on their team mate

But if they invis defensively fan should put them back in combat iirc

They mostly just use it for the defensive damage reduction

[simple birch]

THey arent phased like shadowy duel so im pretty sure

[potent pivot]

They have a big damage reduction from it so be aware of that

I believe the damage reduction persists for 3 seconds after it breaks

Not sure what you mean exactly about bomb and vanish

[woven moss]

okay that makes sense im talking a 2v2 scenario and they both hide so youre saying we wait it out? ive run into good players who will time it dif and one mage uses it while the rogues focus im just asking if theres a way for aoe or something to see the delayed hidden one

same with druid in stealth

[potent pivot]

What do you mean the delayed hidden one and rogues focus exactly

Mage invis doesn’t last very long, so you can usually just wait it out if their team mate hasn’t opened

[warm tundra]

man how tf does survival hit these numbers ever

[woven moss]

okay makes sense. im new to it all. id have to show to explain lol im still learning how to fight each spec

[potent pivot]

That’s not even that crazy ngl

Some specs are doing 1m dps

[vocal surge]

^

[warm tundra]

is any of those specs from rogue?

[woven moss]

a good one can crush you

[warm tundra]

or its just warlock and mage

[potent pivot]

Yes all 3 lol

[warm tundra]

??

WHAT AM IDOING WRONG BRHU

like i suck at cc but i cant suck at a dps rota

[orchid plinth]

That would be cope

[potent pivot]

sub only does that much dps during it's big burst

[woven moss]

ask these guys its a learninf curve man dont get down just listen and learn

[vocal surge]

For Trickster Outlaw, if you're not able to maintain ~700k DPS single target regularly, that's a rotational issue

[potent pivot]

it falls off very heavily outside of that

[orchid plinth]

First step is realizing you suck (I suck)

[vocal surge]

and I mean big rotational issue

[warm tundra]

this just seems inflated

ive pvpd all day yesterday

[vocal surge]

It isn't actually

[warm tundra]

and nobody was even close to hitting that

[orchid plinth]

Assa seems to be big on the meter in 3a with all the dot damage

[vocal surge]

I can come online

[warm tundra]

u on EU?

[vocal surge]

and show you in a duel how fast that comes

[woven moss]

rotation and timing is tough on a rogue you gotta be solid on it . dont look at others numbers just slowly look at yours and try to learn if you dont match up ask why<and how they did it

[vocal surge]

NA

[warm tundra]

i need to see it in arena not a duel

[potent pivot]

assa hits 1m dps by dotting 3 targets

sub only hits it during it's big burst window

[warm tundra]

the dot can be dispelled though right?

[potent pivot]

fatebound outlaw does 1m barely trying

[warm tundra]

so the plan on assa is to run around and dot people early on?

[potent pivot]

sure but you just reapply

[woven moss]

the dot can be but you have weak auras that tell you

[potent pivot]

run around and dot people always basically

if you're playing sub you won't see that much damage on details if a match is already over

you only do that much during all your CDs as sub

[warm tundra]

yeah im on sub rn

[potent pivot]

other than that, you can do 400-500k dps over an entire match

easily

[woven moss]

@potent pivot is this why it gets harder the longer it goes like you want the dots on everyone right?

[potent pivot]

you need to be rupturing more probably

[potent pivot]

what do you mean by gets harder the longer it goes exactly? but yes you want dots on everyone, unless they're in a CC that damage will break

[warm tundra]

this isnt usual or anything but its so ridiculous how going on warlock results in getting triple chain cc'd

and going on mage results on getting kited by 6 teleports in 15 seconds

im trying to find some sub gameplay to get used to but youtube is very subpar

[stoic spruce]

No that's unironically a feature

[warm tundra]

at least for gameplay done in TWW

[potent pivot]

yeah mage kiting is annoying af but that's arcane not frost so slightly easier

[indigo hill]

Stupid question! What do you use shiv for beside warriors?

[potent pivot]

to slow people

[stoic spruce]

Kiting

[potent pivot]

^

if they're kiting you, you can shiv them
if you need to kite them, you can shiv them

[indigo hill]

Doesnt our poison already do that?

[grave pier]

Guys what are we using our spark for? If we focus on PvP?

[stoic spruce]

Yes but shiv makes it stronger

[potent pivot]

shiv slow is more powerful

[potent pivot]

we don't

sparks don't make pvp gear anymore

[indigo hill]

We using any crafter gear?

[potent pivot]

yes

i'm going to have a gearing post up by tonight probably

with all the information we've got so far

[indigo hill]

I appreciate the effort you put in.

[potent pivot]

[woven moss]

i feel like single target for me is good but i miss the windows of dps. im good with the opener and my start but that middle part no energy kills my dps

[warm tundra]

it feels like playing sub even 1 second of cc you did not track right fucks up your whole burst window

[potent pivot]

assa ST is very underwhelming right now

assa AoE is really strong, that's why we run so many AoE talents

you gotta try to keep pressure on the enemy team by rotting them down

[woven moss]

that makes sense

ill look into sub for single

[potent pivot]

yes, that's a big thing you've got to learn and get the hang of with sub

[woven moss]

youre saing sub is better at single ?

[warm tundra]

correct me but specs like spriest or warlock in general seem to have insane aoe while also being very strong for ST, what does rogue bring to the table to keep being considered S tier

[potent pivot]

you can't gap your stuns during your burst

[warm tundra]

just kidney/cheap shot?