pvp

[worthy crag]

not the talent, I meant the sepsis functionality to grant a stealth ability

[jolly sierra]

i was talking about the ones i like the most healing me in shuffle

and the ones which are a pain in the ass to play with

[stoic spruce]

Hpal or bust

[candid tide]

Aww ye that was nice idd, bummer

[potent pivot]

Yeah it just disrupts the chat putting all those empty lines lol

My whole phone screen went grey

[jolly sierra]

bust, fkn hpals are always thirsty af and fucks my forberance with ret

[jolly sierra]

sorry, i needed to add drama to the top xdd

[potent pivot]

lol

[stoic spruce]

Don't play ret, loser.

[jolly sierra]

ret is my second option

[worthy crag]

damn, sub gonna need some more compensation in dmg

[jolly sierra]

dw is not my true spec

[topaz bobcat]

waiting for BM hunter to make a comeback so I can get 2.1k again

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

im mad af w hpals as ret because they throws FKN bops against casters when i was shoving hard the spellwarden

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

and fucks me the big cd

[potent pivot]

You think so? I don’t think so

[outer sky]

You struggle to get 2.1? No wonder you hate rogues. They're noob stompers

[halcyon timber]

I dig it

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[worthy crag]

the extra sod charges dont mean much, because thistle tea is the real gate at 1 min charge

[potent pivot]

Can we not

[worthy crag]

and vanish can't make thistle tea reset quicker now

[topaz bobcat]

so u are going to be 2.1k in 2 weeks?

[jolly sierra]

[outer sky]

I'll bet gold on it

[jolly sierra]

oh boy

here we go

we are reviving merek bet

[topaz bobcat]

in solo shuffle? getting boosted by others doesn't count

[outer sky]

sure, solo shuffle

[jolly sierra]

god

tough words

[outer sky]

500k gold

you a taker?

2 weeks from today

[worthy crag]

its the first season of a pretty successful launch of an expansion, you can bet that inflation will be pretty significant right off the start

[topaz bobcat]

good point

but who knows

[jolly sierra]

@pvp im inviting you to the challenge of the season

this will be wild

[worthy crag]

also, who cares

rating means nothing until the last 2 hours of season

[stoic spruce]

4 grapples in solo rbgs means we will carry

[halcyon timber]

Can’t MW do 9 rolls now?

[topaz bobcat]

actually pretty insane isn't it, spring into grapples into sprint

[warped echo]

off topic. looking to level an alt for pvp. Thinking a DH or unholy DK or marks hunter.

[outer sky]

@topaz bobcat come on man you want this bet or not? It's free gold for me

[halcyon timber]

Or some outlandish shit like that

[potent pivot]

DK is really fun rn

[outer sky]

9 with an evoker. 8 without

[worthy crag]

gonna be real troll if this automatic thistle tea actually eats a charge

[dull bridge]

of course it does

do you think youre gonna have infinite energy

lmfao

[surreal barn]

I think it’s dumb lol

[wet crown]

Ignoring all the cringe going on in this patch, any good video guides for deathstalker just to get back up to speed on sub

[outer sky]

deathstalker doesnt change your rotation as sub

[wet crown]

i didn't think it would, but i didn't play it for a good while so yaknow

:p

[worthy crag]

so now i have to play consciously to not fall below 50 energy because the game wants to do more handholding for me

thats nice

[outer sky]

only if you're playin sub

if you play assass you dont have to think about it

[worthy crag]

well that's what I play, so i dont really care about assass lol

oh

actually, it might be a competing node of the same talent

nope nvm

Feel like this will just push even more towards "do nothing and try to get a reset at the far pillar of the map unless ur dancing"

I honestly dont mind losing shadowdust, it was definitely contributing to sort of a degenerate gameplay from sub, but the fact that vanish now has little to no offensive utility and kidney is remaining at 30 second, along with auto thistle tea, we'll just be driven to a playstyle where we don't even really want to press buttons unless our stun is up

but at the same time it'll be interesting to test new windows with additional symbol charges + potentially shadowcraft

[outer sky]

the soothing shadows buff will help with vanish's defensive utility

30% health HoT is not small

vanish/vial and youll be hard to kill

[worthy crag]

Yeah what I mean is, it having very little offensive utility will mean that we just want to save it for emergency tools

i.e. we just want as many resets in the corner of the map as possible

which we already do, but even more so with this change

[outer sky]

yeah I dont really mind vanish being primarily a defensive button tbh. I dont really like how much dps is linked to it with assass and outlaw

[worthy crag]

but like I said, dust removal doesnt really bother me, what bothers me is these changes on top of kidney being 30 sec (because dust was a workaround for this)

and auto thistle tea

I'm pretty convinced even raiders won't like this, there's literally 0 sense in automatically spending a charge as sub when dance/sod isnt up

So I doubt this will make it live but who knows

falling below 50 energy by mistake will just automatically kill your parse for that fight

[somber plank]

I think the sub pvers are dooming hard

[worthy crag]

I mean I would too

Actually

I dont think the best simming build doesnt even take vigor/thistle

but this change doesn't rly help thistle in any manner lol

and yeah, the additional symbol charges are a huge downgrade in dps compared to dust

eh maybe not, but itll make the gameplay more dull for sure

[outer sky]

I think having symbols for every dance will be quite nice

[worthy crag]

you kinda already do, if you take swift death

[candid tide]

Now we can macro symbols with dance

[halcyon timber]

I dig the changes

[worthy crag]

I think it'll open up more windows to utilize shadowcraft to kinda replace shadowblades, since you won't be able to reset it quickly with vanish anymore

[halcyon timber]

Could do that if you wanted to now Oji

Can do whatever you wanna do

[worthy crag]

yeah, but you will also be more severely punished for committing double dance in one go

but this auto thistle tea is just

rofl

[halcyon timber]

More awareness for sure

[worthy crag]

this is the worst part

[potent pivot]

i don't think we can go that far lol

[worthy crag]

i already macro symbols with dance

with vigor, its not rly a big deal

[potent pivot]

and if you need to dance defensively?

[worthy crag]

ok maybe i will stop doing that in order to not actually fall below 50 energy

[candid tide]

Yeah maybe not, defensive dancing should be without symbols still

[worthy crag]

I usually just vanish or meld to subterfuge for that

or when i dance defensively sod is usually on cd anyway

otherwise it would just be converted to an offensive go

[potent pivot]

yeah but now symbols won't be on CD

[worthy crag]

rofl

[halcyon timber]

Just use your 3s gouge so a warlock can break it

[potent pivot]

kinda wish we had an option for the auto tea

[worthy crag]

if anything this change forces sub to be even more conscious of when to press tea

since now it is really a hardcoded 1 min cd

[potent pivot]

like that would be a wasted talent node

but auto tea with no choice is kinda weird

yeah kinda agree

[worthy crag]

I can kinda see a playstyle where you just commit a sod purely for stacking shadowcraft

and then committing an actual go with another symbols + tea + 14 cp

[potent pivot]

you will only Tea every other Dance now kinda

[worthy crag]

definitely wont want to / wont be able to thistle every dance

[potent pivot]

or every other symbols i should say

[worthy crag]

which I dont mind, i think it increases skill ceiling in an interesting way

wish kidney was still 20 seconds though

and this auto part shouldnt make live

[halcyon timber]

You can as a feral -_-

[worthy crag]

maybe the silver lining is ill see less degen sub rogues pop cloak evasion in the opener and get it back in 1 minute anyway with dust

[halcyon timber]

Have to be far more careful now

[worthy crag]

I think dust was more interseting when vanish was 1 charge

[halcyon timber]

Then get axe tossed anyway

[worthy crag]

2 charge dust was degenerate, people have to admit this

esp with thiefs bargain

[outer sky]

1.5m

[worthy crag]

but now it will be fully 2 minutes

[jolly sierra]

im seriously considering to just sell herbs again like i did in DF

honor pots value doesnt worth the craft

[worthy crag]

So this "anniversary patch" is like

[jolly sierra]

atm in eu at least

[worthy crag]

when?

[jolly sierra]

november

[somber plank]

November i thnk

[worthy crag]

oh okay so its not like next week changes

they have time to remove this auto tea shit

[outer sky]

yeah true. but cloak and evasion should probably be 1.5m CDs anyway. Theyre pretty undertuned compared to other classes defensives. Cloak was a 1m CD for the longest time. Now it's basically an AMS on a longer CD that we can only use on ourselves

[somber plank]

nah, I think theres iterations to come

[jolly sierra]

10th was in wod w molten core

dont recall more details

[somber plank]

or my copium is saying theres iterations to come

[halcyon timber]

For other classes yeah

[somber plank]

don't you monkey paw me

[jolly sierra]

besides a fire crown for all armor types

[worthy crag]

i mean, if the devs were listening to survival community

theyd probably listen to rogues as well

[jolly sierra]

they just hears MM hunters and BM

XD

[worthy crag]

I guess if i actually pool energy I wont have to worry about falling below 50 energy but

its just complexity for the sake of complexity

[halcyon timber]

Encouraging decision making is healthy

[worthy crag]

yeah but i dont wanna be backstabbing a shaman totem and be looking at my energy bar

thats not really.. decision making

[halcyon timber]

Thats awareness

[somber plank]

I'm not an experienced player or theorycrafter by any means but it does feel like there should be compensation for losing sepsis? or is that thru more SoDs?

[worthy crag]

the awareness part of resource management was just energy management though

like i said, complexity for the sake of complexity

[candid tide]

F the auto tea alr

[worthy crag]

people weren't rly pressing sepsis for dmg anyway

[halcyon timber]

Sepsis is prob some iteration thing going on or whatever they feel is fair and balanced

[worthy crag]

as for utility, i think it sucks that we lose sepsis cheap shot on top of a longer kidney shot

[halcyon timber]

Wait till you see ret gal

[jolly sierra]

if it happens like it did w MFD, then F

[halcyon timber]

Auto relentless for rets

[somber plank]

please I don't want to F

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-orc-wow-blizzard-smile-gif-12610231

[somber plank]

I finally have kinda auto SnD

[worthy crag]

I didnt read any ret notes

whats auto about them?

[halcyon timber]

The hell is that xD

[jolly sierra]

ret is the new warrior

[jolly sierra]

me ret me happy

[worthy crag]

I already had to deal with ashbringer auto trinket in legion xd

[halcyon timber]

20% less duration on stuns on the ret

[jolly sierra]

oh i recalled that

[halcyon timber]

And 10s forbearance

Among lots of other stuffy stuff stuff

[worthy crag]

jesus christ lol

[candid tide]

Orc ret soon

[halcyon timber]

Man fuck that

[worthy crag]

as if there are not enough rets in this game

[outer sky]

funny thing about the tea change is that they probably intended it to be a buff lol

[jolly sierra]

its called

zandalari

[halcyon timber]

Time to raise the crusades - rets

[jolly sierra]

dude

the t2

was the fuel

for rets

all the fkn time

[halcyon timber]

Those zealots can shove it

Devs never said they were until they did obviously

[jolly sierra]

u gave them the t2 retexture and they are just like OOK OOK OOGA OOGA ME PUNISH HERETIC

[halcyon timber]

Yeah lol

Unga bunga intensified

Bunch of plate apes getting horny for training everything down

[worthy crag]

HoJ got its cdr removed at least

its now 45 sec cd

[jolly sierra]

if u are going alliance

they will be in SW AH

flexing their sets

[halcyon timber]

Wont need hoj when you just hold W

[jolly sierra]

as humans

like every human male ret paladin

[potent pivot]

directly buffs Mutilate gameplay btw

-# this is a joke

[wet crown]

Hey, grabbing the full honor set, we stacking mast/crit?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[wet crown]

oh perfect

I assume the vers is a given yaknow

[potent pivot]

yeah for honor gear it kinda is :d

[outer sky]

have we confirmed that 20% haste is the amount needed to get the most benefit from the reduced GCD?

[potent pivot]

25% is the max for 0.8s

20% is the threshold that nets you an extra GCD in a Kidney

so the difference between the two is kinda up for debate still

[outer sky]

does 25% get you an extra GCD in a kidney on an orc?

[stoic spruce]

Or

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[stoic spruce]

Yall stop being cowards and go for as much haste as possible and top dmg meters some how

[outer sky]

that would involve swapping to assass and stacking mastery instead

[potent pivot]

it seems to be .25sec away from an extra GCD on an orc

[wet crown]

do it naked no balls

[stoic spruce]

Playing sub implies I already have no balls

[wet crown]

you could be a paladin

there's always lower

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra get him

[jolly sierra]

k

[wet crown]

whatdidido

i thought we hated retbois

[jolly sierra]

cant talk bout paladins if u have an arthas pfp

[wet crown]

He rerolled

it doesn't count

[jolly sierra]

dk w frost spec

still counts

[wet crown]

arthas was unholy

i'll die on this hill

[stoic spruce]

I love how people are always frost vs unholy with Arthas but never blood lol

[jolly sierra]

what about all that ice in his eyes

[jolly sierra]

ofc undeads cant have a boner

how tf would be blood

[stoic spruce]

Bro is in Northrend

[jolly sierra]

bro is freezing himself

and the artifact is for frost

ye

is a frost dk

period

[stoic spruce]

Raised a dragon from the dead

And a literal army of undead

[jolly sierra]

ye, every frost dk can do that since legion

[stoic spruce]

But Arthas isn't any dk

The frostwyrm was already risen

[last jasper]

Bye bye vanish cdr 🫠

[stoic spruce]

For the other fdks

Also

[jolly sierra]

the one from legion quest?

[stoic spruce]

The wrath cinematic

[jolly sierra]

but u missed something

[jolly sierra]

Frostwing

me win

is a frost dk

[stoic spruce]

Nope

Undead dragon

I win

[jolly sierra]

u cant change my mind popo

u brought a monster

[stoic spruce]

A Mango Loco monster tk be exact

[jolly sierra]

huh

[stoic spruce]

And its day of the dead themed

Undead

I win

[jolly sierra]

that drink is cold

and dead are too

frost

me win

[stoic spruce]

The dead are alive

I win

[jolly sierra]

akshually they are not

[wet crown]

first game went well, I can already feel the death threats being sent

[jolly sierra]

they hearts are not pounding anymore

[stoic spruce]

Just admit it. Frost will always be the thunder to Arthas lightning

[jolly sierra]

cant

if dk MC in legion was stronger than arthas

[stoic spruce]

Without unholy, there is no frost

[potent pivot]

I’m dying inside, does that count?

[stoic spruce]

You have a pulse

Sorry bub

[wet crown]

Arthas MDI pulled stratholme

like a true gamer

[stoic spruce]

I'd kill for the culling to be M+

[jolly sierra]

when will scarlet crusaders finally notice they are playing the clown at this step?

[stoic spruce]

I hope they grow into something huge

[jolly sierra]

when they passes away then say goodbye to lordaeron

[halcyon timber]

Great choice. That mf is crispy af.

[jolly sierra]

as kingdom

[waxen meteor]

guys we know what to craft yet?

[stoic spruce]

Lordaeron belongs to the undead

[potent pivot]

prolly gonna be at least another week or two

[wet crown]

craft the item that's good

[waxen meteor]

sounds good

i feel in df at this stage we clearly have a target lol

[potent pivot]

we need to wait and see if they tune any of the embellishments etc

[jolly sierra]

tell them to reuse their fkn faction colors then instead a narcissitic logotype like sylvanas had in their banners

[potent pivot]

a lot of the stuff wasn't working properly on beta

this time around

[stoic spruce]

Don't care didn't read

[eternal wasp]

Hello, first time rogue main, what is a decent, first time friendly pvp rogue spec I can get into, mained a UH DK for a very long time

[stoic spruce]

Assa

Don't pick outlaw

That's my spec

[potent pivot]

assa is the DoT spec, outlaw is the brawler, sub is the burst spec

[stoic spruce]

Yeah but unfortunately there's no more room on the outlaw train

Is my gatekeeping working?

[jolly sierra]

ill give popo 300k gold if he notice me

[somber plank]

You're doing great keep going

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHH OUTLAW IS MINE

[stoic spruce]

Hey bbg

[jolly sierra]

Don't care didn't read

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-aggretsuko-fenneko-hahaha-anime-gif-11750376

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-world-of-warcraft-classic-rogue-rogue-pv-p-gif-18999746

Me when I get you

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-the-rock-wow-world-of-warcraft-garrosh-hellscream-gif-22843368

[stoic spruce]

Scargrim, you're in luck

I need more ghostly ghost pirates for my ghostly ghost pirate crew

[eternal wasp]

I did feel alot tankier with outlaw in pvp and I didn't like assass for dotting and resetting, going to try sub and see if I can delete some souls

[stoic spruce]

Yarr

[jolly sierra]

cmon dont be mean u are a dk after all

[stoic spruce]

Not until 11.0.5

[jolly sierra]

u must be the one who should help him the most

[eternal wasp]

Was a dk, my DK is in blizzard jail

[stoic spruce]

I'm capitalizing on no crackshot outlaw while I can

Holy shit I may have a cook

Wait

I'm at work though

[safe pelican]

Who in here has the nether wing Drake mounts ?? Grinding them right now while i wait for the pvp season to start this shit us painful

Only 16k more rep needed till exalted and we lit

WTB : 72 Netherwing Eggs PST for more info 🤣🙂‍↕️

[indigo hill]

It takes a bit of time. Ravenholdt was a boring rind though.

[wet crown]

does chill just not break on dam anymore tf is this

[lapis escarp]

my sepsis my shadowdust my tea

[dull bridge]

paladin changes are obscene

10% reduced stun duration, can press bubble on forbearance, freedom on steed

[jolly sierra]

me

got them in cata

XD

[halcyon timber]

Definitely needed for sure /s

[halcyon timber]

Whacha mean?

[dull bridge]

New Talent: Worthy Sacrifice – You automatically cast Blessing of Sacrifice onto allies within 40 yards when they receive damage while below 35% health and you are not in a loss of control effect. This effect activates 100% of Blessing of Sacrifice’s cooldown.

every spec plays itself now

[halcyon timber]

Blinding sleet? They def kick ur b hole in it

[wet crown]

The root proc

[dull bridge]

next they're going to put the swifty one shot macro in the game

[halcyon timber]

For dk? 10s cd iirc

Physical root as well

[jolly sierra]

ret turned into a semi bot

[wet crown]

only semi?

[jolly sierra]

will be full when they get back the auto bubble from legion

[wet crown]

why did you remind me about that

[outer sky]

that may be a bad thing honestly. What if their teammate uses a defensive

[jolly sierra]

i was one of them as an alt

[wet crown]

hatred

[jolly sierra]

always

[wet crown]

I'll miss sap capping

when did the duration get reduced?

[grave basin]

yea this feels extremely troll

should be a choice node

[dull bridge]

it's for bad players only because obv you don't want to wait until they're 35%

[grave basin]

New Talent: Worthy Sacrifice – You automatically cast Blessing of Sacrifice onto allies within 40 yards when they receive damage while below 35% health and you are not in a loss of control effect. This effect activates 100% of Blessing of Sacrifice’s cooldown.
every spec plays itself now

is this a pvp talent?

[dull bridge]

does it say pvp talent?

[jolly sierra]

DF

in like s3

[grave basin]

that's wild

that it's a regular talent

one step closer to legion auto bubble again

[halcyon timber]

in df, flags are reduced to capture in blitz though. Any class can do it in 5s w their little cc that might as well be a stun though

[grave basin]

AND you can bubble while in forb?

[halcyon timber]

Yeh man, i think they have another that ignores healing penalties like damp and they just do the max value out of it

Hybrid tax aint a thing but rogue tax always is

[grave basin]

rets playing with 12.0 mechanics

hoj should cost holy power like kidney

[halcyon timber]

They got inspired by the holy zealot churches and stated it was their patch since they have been done so wrong

[halcyon timber]

Been saying that for years since we are “brought in line w other classes”

Hold the same standard instead of cherry picking

[grave basin]

only rogues still playing with 2004 mechanics

[halcyon timber]

I dig thinking , just not when we get penalized because someone trinkets 3s gouge and fabricates shit up like randall

[grave basin]

who's randall

what's the lore

[potent pivot]

Ret

[halcyon timber]

https://static.miraheze.org/loathsomecharacterswiki/thumb/8/8b/Randall_weems.jpg/300px-Randall_weems.jpg

This snake of a fuck

Randall the ret

[potent pivot]

Anyone else feel like pvp is getting more popular lately?

[outer sky]

he's a hard stuck 2.1k loser with nothing better to do with his miserable life besides go to the rogue discord to gather material to post on the forums to try and get us nerfed

[halcyon timber]

Bc they keep buffing simple ape shit

[outer sky]

he also never bet me

[halcyon timber]

Thats also randall

Forgot about him already

Ty for the reminder

Pvp will be solid still , esp with blitz attracting the parse bot focused crowd

Fight in mid hurrr hurrrr but disregard the important shit types

[jolly sierra]

hey @outer sky can u tell me wtf can i do if i got apollousa banned for my fire king deck?

[outer sky]

ah that sucks

[jolly sierra]

ofc, killed almost all rogue decks lol

[outer sky]

honestly theres not really a good substitute for Apollousa

that might kill the deck like future fusion's ban killed darkness dragons

[jolly sierra]

dammit

maybe i should buy a snake-eyes engine to replace my tri-brigade stuff

it dropped a lot in price

[orchid plinth]

wtf they removing Sepsis and Dust? Feels like a big hit to Sub PvP 🫡

[wet crown]

whho ganked metzen

[halcyon timber]

XD

We will be cool man

[terse bolt]

where did you read that?

[outer sky]

itll be fine

[terse bolt]

sepsis can fuck off who cares

but dust?

[halcyon timber]

On the 11.0.5 notes

[lapis escarp]

dust is not fine

[outer sky]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-0-5-datamined-class-changes-346471?utm_source=discord-webhook

[jolly sierra]

bah+

wait

[jolly sierra]

pshero

[terse bolt]

Point me towards the direction of a random blizzard employee

[halcyon timber]

Its coolio resto druid picked it up (i think its keepr of the grove related stuff atm)

Im Pretty happy w those changes. Lots of shit I like doing anyway

[outer sky]

I think dust in exchange for 3 symbols charges and double the soothing dark healing is fine

[halcyon timber]

Yeah prefer that anyway

[lapis escarp]

they reverted healing tho arent they, i mean they nerfed it at some point and then reverted, you underestimate how huge dust can be sometimes both offensive and defensive

[azure rapids]

Class rework în 11 05

[halcyon timber]

It will prob be 16% in pvp though anyway

[azure rapids]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-major-class-changes-and-more-346469

[outer sky]

no trust me im not underestimating it. I've played plenty of sub

[azure rapids]

Outlaw loving shadowstep

But gaining another hook so with fatebound we might have 3?:)

[outer sky]

shorter cloak, evasion, dance, blades, step, duel, bomb

[azure rapids]

Losing*

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw kids in here have been pretty happy more or less

[terse bolt]

3, how is it three?

nvm dont answer

dont answer

[halcyon timber]

Heh

[terse bolt]

yeah my brain is malfunctioning

[outer sky]

you have 1 charge by default. The new talent has 2 points in it. each gives you another charge

[terse bolt]

HE ANSWERED IT

NOoOoOooOo

[outer sky]

everyone is ignoring the buff to the fatebound coin's damage

thats gunna be big

[halcyon timber]

Standard procedure with selective reading man

Lots of good changes all around , just don’t agree w the ret stuff

Not just on our behalf but vs all classes

[outer sky]

ret stuff does seem a bit overtuned

extreme handholding

may have to peak in their disc and see what theyre saying

[halcyon timber]

Nothing good likely

Just dudes in judgement regalia burning a gnome alive with their hands in their pants probably

[normal hound]

Does anyone know of a Combat Timer that tracks enemy players for PvP? Hi

[outer sky]

why cant my teammates just do damage, man

[halcyon timber]

You mean like how long youre in combat with them?

[terse bolt]

you mean a timer for DR?

[normal hound]

No no

[terse bolt]

yeah right, what are you talking about my guy!

[halcyon timber]

Forbidden 🚫

[normal hound]

Like you know when a healer gets feared or slept for 6 sec. A timer that tracks their combat but counts down. Often they get hit my AOE shards, that you dont see, and when you go for a sap they are still in combat.

[halcyon timber]

Ah to be honest prob looking for something in the pins the boys put there

[outer sky]

he still hasnt done more damage than I did before I died

[halcyon timber]

I just use tell me when for dr tracker and elv ui for a combat tracker and trust reflexes

Just have a good sense of awareness watching everyone ig

[terse bolt]

me personally...i never sap

i just put my balls in their face

[halcyon timber]

Anytime someone gets feared to a cultist i look for a sap

I mean warlock

[outer sky]

sap is good because you can do it without spending a global of your subterfuge window and it makes it so there's 1 less player that can fuck with your opener

[halcyon timber]

No idea how when his 2 shadowbolts hit more than for all of kingsbane and such xD

[safe pelican]

Arguably some of the Best mounts in the entire game great graphics on those gotta have em the grotti one they gave out only held me over for so long

[normal hound]

Yeah but, if they get struck by a aoe that you cant see, their combat refreshes without breaking the fear so you are wasting time and direction for a sap that wont happen

[potent pivot]

betterblizzplates or betterblizzframes have a sap icon thst lets u know when something is sappable

[normal hound]

But does it have a timer?

[halcyon timber]

Having solid nameplates shows that info

[normal hound]

Lets say their combat gets randomly refreshed by aoe. You're wasting time and brain energy thinking about sap

[jolly sierra]

its incredible what they did in DF, u can even replicate the glad netherdrakes w the armor

[halcyon timber]

I don’t think about sap

Don’t think a lot of us do honestly

[jolly sierra]

but ngl no clue about where to get the armor

[halcyon timber]

Just intuition kinda

[safe pelican]

I knowwww the glad nether is op i need to grind that armor out i was about to ask you how we get it lmaoooo 🤣🙂‍↕️

[halcyon timber]

And watching stuff

Better blizz like trickz said displays that info

[normal hound]

Well l rather just have a icon tell me what will become sapable and what wont be :3

[jolly sierra]

HAHAHAHHAA

well we are 2

[normal hound]

if that exist

[halcyon timber]

Any of the addons we discussed do that

[jolly sierra]

that is the addon sapable

but imo dont depend from it

[indigo hill]

Did I read it right that outlaw gets double grappling baseline?

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir

[outer sky]

that's more like it

[safe pelican]

What in the actual hell are these new patch notes , so basically TWW releases… and they just overhaul everything and redo the tuning * facepalm *

[normal hound]

But does it have a Timer count down or not. becasue Combat can get refreshed by random Aoe.~ While someone is feared. And you wont know unless a TIMER refreshes etc

Ill check it

Thank you.

[safe pelican]

Going to act like these PTR notes don’t exist we’ll cross that bridge when we get there ffs blizzard

[potent pivot]

the sap icon diappears if they're in combat. a timer doesn't help any more than that does really

[indigo hill]

This I meant.

[potent pivot]

they said yes lol

[halcyon timber]

People ask for tuning and get ticked when they don’t. Devs can’t win my man .

[jolly sierra]

doesnt, combat stucking can depends from A LOT of factors

is not like in pve

[halcyon timber]

Like random ass holy hell hits from a paladin

[indigo hill]

I've been awake since 3:30. 😂 I can't follow anything.

[jolly sierra]

its impossible to measure it with a timer

[potent pivot]

tuning is a neverending battle

[normal hound]

A timer makes all the difference though. Combat resets by 6 seconds. A fear is 6 seconds. a pres evoker sleep is 6 seconds.

You can go for a sap after either of those. Or a Hoj. But SO OFTEN does random tiny aoe touch the healers. While you're waiting to sap off the fear. But the combat reseted. but you have 0 clue it rested. Anyways thank you guys for trying to help l'll keep looking around :3

[halcyon timber]

Or having .08s to cap lumber mill and some god damn pickle sniffer of a hunter runs up and barbed shots the dude you blinded

[safe pelican]

#Pain

[jolly sierra]

lets explain all the detail

[outer sky]

apparently pally LoH for PTR ignores MS

[halcyon timber]

Hale yeh

[potent pivot]

i get what you mean, not sure it exists tho

[halcyon timber]

From the notes yeh

[candid tide]

Time to switch bak to assa people

[jolly sierra]

1. imagine a random ability is keeping them in combat, that happens w rog a lot
2. they engaged when tried to heal another player
3. they are stuck with a pet

[halcyon timber]

https://www.groominglounge.com/cdn/shop/articles/Patrick-Bateman-Rolex-datejust_1480x.jpg?v=1572374997

Rets thinking they are cool af

[safe pelican]

Not mad at the holy pally buffs that spec is on life support

[jolly sierra]

if you just wanna measure combat dropping just count till 6 and try

[outer sky]

repentance is spammable now

[safe pelican]

I quit

[halcyon timber]

We don’t negotiate with terrorists - les grossman

[outer sky]

idk what yall are talking about the HoJ CD

its 45s now down from 60

[jolly sierra]

rets mains are funny af

[outer sky]

and it can be reduced to 30

[jolly sierra]

they are very cocky for very simplistic skills

[outer sky]

oh, this is good. Looks like this got updated since it was posted

nerfed in pvp

[safe pelican]

I like the thistle tea triggering automatically sub 50 energy that’s fire

Removing sepsis thank god trash that bs , giving me double symbols in return is bs though

[halcyon timber]

Paladins getting ready for 11.0.5

[safe pelican]

All i wanted to see was * shadow dance has been added to the talent tree for assassination *….. sad day for assass rogue better luck next patch

[stoic spruce]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-mcC3vxLNq/?igsh=MTYyN3p1dnlxMHgyYw==

[halcyon timber]

https://uploads.dailydot.com/320/d5/4f26637ee6428891.png?q=65&auto=format&w=1600&ar=2:1&fit=crop

“Ya know, im something of a dumbfuck myself “ - Rets

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/timeless-clockblockers-made-by-rainey-space-race-computer-gif-12403301

[native glacier]

I’d rather they don’t even ackownledge assass existing because it’s sleeper good right now

[safe pelican]

Me getting ready for 11.0.5

[jolly sierra]

gimme a leather like cosmetic xmog and ill dress my ret like a rog to represent at 11.0.5 if rets become S+++++++ tier again+

[outer sky]

realistically even if they can take all of these new talents they probably wont. I doubt theyd spec into 20s forbearance AND divine shield while having forbearance

[safe pelican]

It’s good I just really loved the class having dance it was really competitive in that position against all specs imo

[outer sky]

very unlikely theyll need 2 bubbles back to back within 20s

[orchid plinth]

Can we still use Thistle Tea manually or is it a passive now?

[outer sky]

yes you can

[safe pelican]

I think it’s manually usable above 50 energy but below that it will automatically use one not sure of the cd on how often that can occur

[potent pivot]

Should be able to manually still ye

[grave basin]

looks like kalvish is gonna awc as outlaw

[potent pivot]

You believe that?

[orchid plinth]

It's soooo dumb

Dumb game

[grave basin]

he said it himself

[halcyon timber]

Rets don’t plug their keyboards in anyway

[potent pivot]

And you believe it?

[grave basin]

🤣

last min sub lock in i wont be surprised

[halcyon timber]

1 to kill the healer and 1 to kill everyone else

[dull bridge]

are you running the regular build? it doesn't feel that strong to me right now

[safe pelican]

New server name checks out 😎

[jolly sierra]

heavy declarations

[outer sky]

yeah new tea is still an active cooldown

[jolly sierra]

then works like monk brews

i think the chi brew worked like that

[outer sky]

I mean, at some point this just seems a little silly

they need a tool for everything?

[jolly sierra]

rip assa

[outer sky]

rip all rogues. all of us use poisons for our MS

[halcyon timber]

Missed that one fuck man

[jolly sierra]

right guys, help me picking some leatherlike xmog for my ret

[halcyon timber]

That’s fucked in half

[jolly sierra]

gotta represent if we die like in DF s1

[halcyon timber]

Aint helping support any of that crap

[dull bridge]

jesus fucking christ man

[halcyon timber]

Always hated rets, always will

[dull bridge]

alright i'll see y'all at the hunter discord

[proven kayak]

Bruh

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

the main issue is

how long time does sacri lasts for

[candid tide]

These patches are not live yet mang chillz

[dull bridge]

12 seconds

1 min cd

[halcyon timber]

God damnit getting fired up

[dull bridge]

that's just unbelievable

[halcyon timber]

Now gotta go smoke

[jolly sierra]

so

[proven kayak]

Don’t you think you exaggerate

[jolly sierra]

are they inmune to poisons for 12s?

XD

[proven kayak]

[halcyon timber]

I would think they are yeah

Can’t physically apply shit so /shrug

[jolly sierra]

how funny

[halcyon timber]

Find out when they start space jamming everything and some healer says for you to help me useless rogue

Use your infinite cc randall said you have

Wonder if eye for an eye will supremely fuck up you assassins

Gonna be like the days when we had to cancel SnD because autos would kill us due to ret aura

[outer sky]

because it wasn't enough to LoH someone without MS mattering

they get a 100% armor buff too

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[halcyon timber]

What in the cinammon toast fuck is that

[jolly sierra]

does it works w dampening?

[halcyon timber]

What an abomination of a talent

[candid tide]

BtA is op asl now

[halcyon timber]

But those pp sniffers cried about veil more than anyone

[jolly sierra]

well

those changes wont be up till november tho

we need to push forward before that date

[halcyon timber]

You saw the last apocalypse. That went through

It doesnt say rogue so no one cares

[candid tide]

Ya, hope they wont do the tea shit

[dull bridge]

paladins were already impossible as assa, now you legit don't get to touch them. I don't think that's exagerration

[halcyon timber]

Would be filled w shit like this

[grave basin]

Do damage

[grave basin]

Cross cc so we are nerfing blind on purpose to not blind sap

[orchid plinth]

I really don't get this Tea change. Feels like a PvE complainer change? What's next? "Automatically activate your Shadow Blades if a target in your stun falls below 50%"?
"Automatically cast Blind when an opponent trinkets and isn't on DR"

[halcyon timber]

The stun duration talent is the worst one though

[grave basin]

Automatically casts divine protection at 1% health

Oh wait

[potent pivot]

you realize auto blur has been in the game for a while now right

[grave basin]

That already happened

[halcyon timber]

Dh still dodges kidney too

[orchid plinth]

Hero class

[halcyon timber]

Working as intended

[stoic spruce]

The trick is to kidney/gouge/blind/sap in that order

[orchid plinth]

TBF that class is meant for people who press 3 buttons, no?

[candid tide]

They should put 2 options for tea in talent like they have for Ele sham for earthquake, one for instant cast on target and 1 for a circle placement

[halcyon timber]

Rets are just getting ready to jump ship and join the emperor that the arathi talk about

[proven kayak]

The only thing that is a hard nerf is the invigorating shadow dust removal

[halcyon timber]

Hes a damn totalitarian for sure

[grave basin]

Yea but they didn't say what's the replacement

[stoic spruce]

Pally expansion

[grave basin]

So it could be something good next build

[stoic spruce]

We had dk expac, pallys turn

[grave basin]

You mean dragonflight ?

[halcyon timber]

Fuck both those classes

[stoic spruce]

Dk is based

[jolly sierra]

df s1 says hello

[grave basin]

Have we forgotten .07 Ret palas

[stoic spruce]

I said expac, not patch

[jolly sierra]

this wont stand for so long

[jolly sierra]

SSJ god phase end s1 rets

lit if they turned up to u u were dead

[orchid plinth]

But yes that is a good point, hence "I don't get". But I feel like this is different, wouldn't this be able to be negative for us? If I DON'T want to Tea because I'm just CCing or whatever. Can we toggle it for example?

[stoic spruce]

I'm not denying they weren't strong, but this utility is more insane than the rework.

[halcyon timber]

Deuz vault and shit

[potent pivot]

as assa it really won't be an issue anyway

[halcyon timber]

Or whatever the tin cans say

[potent pivot]

if you're playing it properly you're trying to stay above half energy anyway

[safe pelican]

Pally run since they have been getting beat on the last 3-4 seasons then re-Nerf

[potent pivot]

now as sub you just have to pool more outside of your burst windows

[safe pelican]

Gotta make sure every class has fun or people will stop playing the game lol

[potent pivot]

which really, you should have arguably done before this

[halcyon timber]

Dunno don’t give a fuck what paladins want or get upset about

Just hold W and blame healers when the paladin lined them

[orchid plinth]

Isn't Paladin like the most played class? Stakeholders forced this patch

[proven kayak]

Thistle is dumb adjustment but it’s ok losing inv shadow dust is critical

[halcyon timber]

“Bro im doin so much dmg bro, bro how we lose bro . Bro “ - paladins

[safe pelican]

Got my lvl 70 ret pally alt on standby for the nonsense

Just roll meta and rogue life is easier

[proven kayak]

I played ret once most boring shit of my life

[candid tide]

If we do a manual tea in dance right now at the go, and spam one ability toomuch wed lose another tea in chain

[jolly sierra]

ill go rog anyways

but im a collector

[safe pelican]

Lmao it’s terrible it’s literally 5 buttons outside of the defensive rotation

[jolly sierra]

so i wanna pally xmog too

[orchid plinth]

I assume, or hope, it wont autopop tea if we still have an active tea buff...?

[halcyon timber]

Hot dog fingers required

[jolly sierra]

and yeah

[orchid plinth]

We will see I guess

[jolly sierra]

is one of the dumbest melees in game

[halcyon timber]

Then it is probably like when han solo flew in hyperspeed

[jolly sierra]

too much EZ thro toolkit

[safe pelican]

It’s like a hybrid class throwing hammers at what 20-30 yards ??

[proven kayak]

My alt will be survival hunter seems fun that I played a bit

[safe pelican]

Yea melee sure

[jolly sierra]

its a midrange spec basically

[halcyon timber]

Next week is ret can break iceblock with judgement or some shit

[orchid plinth]

Last time I played Ret was on the PTR in Vanilla and 1 Shotted people with Reckoningbomb in duels outside stormwind

[jolly sierra]

light's will

calls the light for a last time to break through those bindings freezing the mage

[safe pelican]

Bout to level this assas rogue just got a 30 min deserter ban from dungeons on my outlaw rogue 😎🤓🙂‍↔️

[stoic spruce]

They would be my best friend

[halcyon timber]

Always has been yeah? They used to do that exorcism bs from range back in the old days too

[jolly sierra]

no, the difference is now most of their toolkit is midrange

not only exorcism and hammer

[halcyon timber]

Well now they get mobility and the bullshit

[jolly sierra]

they can do holy power abilities in distance

like final veredict

[halcyon timber]

Gonna be a charlie foxtrot

Dumbdumb cleave is back ig

[grave basin]

Anyone realise that DH rep has crated

[azure rapids]

Having 2 grapling hook baseline, will we get 3 with fatebound after patch changes ?

[jolly sierra]

they are just missing a MS and its over

[grave basin]

I've seen maybe 2 DHs in all my skirms

[halcyon timber]

Dh will get buffed too don’t worry

[potent pivot]

technically like 4 i think

[azure rapids]

where is the 4th one from? :)))

[jolly sierra]

ive seen them melting hard in skirmishes

[potent pivot]

each cast of hook can be used again with no CD for 3 seconds

[halcyon timber]

Theyvwill shoot spider man webs out of their cornhole and have a chance to batista bomb a target or something

[azure rapids]

ohh yeah, so it doubles each one

nice! 😄

well color me a FC in Blitz :)))

il get from end to to other in 4 grapples

[halcyon timber]

“We’re finally good boys” - rets

[azure rapids]

Big changes to all specs from what i read in the Patch notes

[orchid plinth]

Maybe I should read not only Rogues...

[halcyon timber]

We will be fine for sure

Not joking

Just stuff to think about and adapt to

[orchid plinth]

I've realized on reason I am bad at the game (except just being bad) is because I think every other class still plays like Wrath or some shit

[jolly sierra]

hope this time

raz doesn't say

"ok guys rogue is dead"

like in that season

[halcyon timber]

Way more involved now spongebob me boy

[orchid plinth]

I've actually started to duel some people like in the gOoDoLdDaYs always felt like it's a good way to learn

[somber plank]

Subscribing for more notifications

[orchid plinth]

How many blinks do mages have???? 7???

[jolly sierra]

si

[halcyon timber]

Too many - everyone

[somber plank]

Not enough - mages

[halcyon timber]

XD

I dunno though

4 with alter reset no?

Er 3 whatever

[jolly sierra]

so

its now a good time to call for a manuv nerf revert?

[halcyon timber]

Nah

Not gonna happen with hook and cdr on ds step etc

[jolly sierra]

xd

[halcyon timber]

As the great Lt. aldo raine said “ we are in a mexican standoff”

[stoic spruce]

You shut your whore rogue mouth

Nerf panda

ONLY Panda

[tacit ledge]

is sub rogue getting nerfed?

[warm tundra]

what stats do i take for the pvp gear on sin?

[jolly sierra]

why meeeeee

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[warm tundra]

ty

and medallion? outside of cc

[potent pivot]

vanish CDR is removed, but Symbols is going to have 3 charges

[potent pivot]

wdym

we always use the on use CC break trinket, everyone does

[warm tundra]

i use this and what else

[potent pivot]

Insignia

for sin

[warm tundra]

ty

[halcyon timber]

Inspired guard works like barkskin too eh

[somber plank]

I for one am not dooming the changes because I get a keybind back lmao

[halcyon timber]

They are good changes

[somber plank]

Yeah

I'm actually pretty keen for nov

What do I bind on my snd key? Maybe a /flex macro

[halcyon timber]

Dunno honestly

[somber plank]

The entire script of the bee movie

[halcyon timber]

deadly throw

Wtb

[candid tide]

What do u guys do when u het opened by rogue in arena 2v2

Trinket vanish?

[halcyon timber]

Pre feint if you have time

[candid tide]

Trinket counter dance?

[halcyon timber]

It really depends

If team mate can do something then they just peel

[candid tide]

Yeah since its skirms one can never know sure

[dull bridge]

im more curious about your cold openers

[halcyon timber]

Instead of watching vince carter dunk on the french guy in the olympics

[dull bridge]

ss->kidney->dance with premed or cheap shot go?

[candid tide]

Depends on the window

Idk

God im so bad

[halcyon timber]

Gotta change those adjectives man

[candid tide]

Need to spam 100 duels today to learn classes abilities

[halcyon timber]

You’re learning and that’s perfectly fine

Don’t ever put yourself down

[orchid plinth]

I'm in the same I've just been doing duels and skirms and just focus on one thing at the time

Even just pretending to PvP a bit when doing WQs and hitting PvP dummies. "How do I burst?" Etc

[halcyon timber]

Good practice

Developing a solid spidey sense is really important

[wanton breach]

oh RIP shadowdust

[halcyon timber]

So RP is cloak for paladins except it will work

Reading that again from what panda was saying earlier

Keyword PREVENTS

[grave basin]

Gg can't envenom through sac

Absolute lolcow design

[wanton breach]

good thing paladin wasn't already strong against assassination

[grave basin]

Yea if only they had a another blessing to remove all bleeds too

That would be perfect

[potent pivot]

@vocal surge

[azure rapids]

what do you think of the Rogue changes in general, especially on Outlaw, i mean if we lose shadowstep and gain a hook,it aint that bad right ?

[grave basin]

Outlaw is probably the only overall winner here until we know what else sub gets

To replace dust and sepsis

[azure rapids]

sounds good to me 😄

[potent pivot]

dust was already replaced homie

[pearl dune]

Outlul gainz

[grave basin]

Huh by what

Oh

[potent pivot]

3 symbols charges

[grave basin]

Wait that's the replacement

[wanton breach]

they want to push rotten but i dunno

[grave basin]

That's not even close to good

Unless you wanna play rotten cheese spec

[potent pivot]

huh

[wanton breach]

outlaw loses shadowstep - I wouldn#t consider that a winner

[potent pivot]

you basically have symbols every dance now

how can that not be good

[grave basin]

Losing CDR overall though

[azure rapids]

yeah but we gain another grapling hook

[pearl dune]

Just use killingspree to teleport to them kek

[potent pivot]

it gained in every other change tho

[azure rapids]

yep

[pearl dune]

4 grappling hooks or one shadow step

[grave basin]

If you're on twitch can you ask kalvish what he thinks of the sub changes

@potent pivot

[wanton breach]

I'd still rather have shadowstep

[azure rapids]

i dont mind shadows step "i can just grapple there" some random Outlaw in wpvp

[grave basin]

I'm outside atm

[potent pivot]

"we'll just have to wait and see" basically

[grave basin]

Hmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

he thinks it'll still be good i think

[pearl dune]

Pika said fuck the changes

[potent pivot]

pika is going to hype the doom no matter what

[grave basin]

Pika is the venruki of rogues

[pearl dune]

When your the best anyway it doesnt matter i guess

[azure rapids]

The Refresh of BTE in stealth is big win

[pearl dune]

He will just play whatever he wants and still win

Outlaw gainz tho

[azure rapids]

Everybody should play whatever they want and enjoy no matter the outcome 😄

[grave basin]

Minus the soyjack doomer face videos

[pearl dune]

Hes been playing outlul offstream

Can see his build on drustvar

[grave basin]

Yea he has to prac

For awc

Most likely just trying every spec

[jolly sierra]

well guys they remodeled a lot the sets look

[safe pelican]

Caustic or IB ?

[azure rapids]

ohhhh

[grave basin]

That's a downgrade btw

[potent pivot]

IB

[azure rapids]

this are for the events comming right

where do reskin all the tier 2

?

[grave basin]

Why is the hood not cloaked

The red not deep enough

[grave basin]

The black not deep

I prefer the old set but maybe I'm biased

[pearl dune]

Its not bad

[grave basin]

The new monk set though ... I want that

[pearl dune]

Not great either

[jolly sierra]

i think they improved the hood

[grave basin]

@jolly sierra is the monk set confirmed gold or green

[jolly sierra]

sec

green

[potent pivot]

both i think

[grave basin]

Hmmm

[potent pivot]

they showed a gold and a green set

like 2 different sets

[grave basin]

I mean the green isn't bad

The gold is better imo

[wanton breach]

the red and gold version looks way cooler

[potent pivot]

gotta admit they cooked that set

[outer sky]

yo I just beat Dzd in an RM mirror skirm!

[potent pivot]

thats one of the best monk sets i've ever seen

[jolly sierra]

lock and warr look beastly w the remodel

[grave basin]

Yea for sure

The legion green / black that I missed out on

Is really close

I mean mop**

[outer sky]

and emilia

[grave basin]

Holy details batman those look really high res

[jolly sierra]

dude they did warr t2 from scratches

and lock one looks revived

[orchid plinth]

Rogue they just ran some AI upscaler on #fuckrogues

Green is the best color time to reroll Monk

[grave basin]

I can see where they're going with the rogue new T2, just wish it was darker

[jolly sierra]

tbh rlly liked the rog t2

yeah needed to be darker but is well done

[orchid plinth]

I'm just sitting here wishing they would allow us to Transmog back to the old character models. Would bring a lot more flavor to older transmogs!

[azure rapids]

some pieces are really good

like gloves and boots can be mogged easily

they fit in alot of sets

[jolly sierra]

the hood looks good too

[lapis escarp]

if they really push all these sub changes i'd have no choice but play assa even if i dont like it, no dust and tea changes are huge nerf to me, extra sod charges and lil bit of heals are a joke and cant cover the nerfs, will see...

[nova viper]

seeeeeeeeeeeeeeexo

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOO

[potent pivot]

i think you're misunderstanding a bit. the tea change, changes nothing.

sub really doesn't even need dust if it's dmg stays as decent as it is rn

[cyan mural]

For Sin in arena, you guys playing the aoe set up or the single target set up (talking about the recommended builds from icy veins)

[potent pivot]

AoE

[cyan mural]

The recommended Aoe build does not have Kingsbane, you feel like your missing kill-pressure in the burst window?

[potent pivot]

the burst window is non-existent

[lapis escarp]

i mean dmg wise yeah... but playstyle wise not at all, it's completely different story w/ or w/o dust, and tea change will hinder you building up cp in some situations so you wont consume tea charges accidentally

[potent pivot]

pooling energy isn't hard

and arguably should have already been done now

[outer sky]

play KB in 2s

[cyan mural]

So thristle tee will be a passive, eeh, for the play comfort it will be good

[lapis escarp]

it'd be fine if we could toggle this activation thing

otherwise im against this shit, it just meh

[outer sky]

no

its still an active ability

it just auto procs when you drop below 50 energy

[dull bridge]

i spammed assa skirms for 7 hours straight testing out bunch of builds. i didnt like deathstalker initially but if you play around darkest night you can threaten a setup pretty well. you can hit an envenomin the 2-2.5m range and it requires very little setup (basically shiv). i played the raid build with kb and dtb a bunch and if you want to actually feel like youre playing rogue its not bad. the melee affliction build is pretty unbeatable if you have more than one target. i want to test out fatebound more but i need proper games for that

[dull bridge]

thistle wont be passive. youre gonna literally burn through all 3 charges in the opener and then forget about it

[potent pivot]

........................what?

[cyan mural]

So, you can still auto press it above 50 energy or what? But would you ever press ist when you are still above 50? If not, its basically a passive now

[potent pivot]

no you won't

[potent pivot]

yes, you press it for the mastery

[outer sky]

yes you can still press it above 50 energy and you press it for the mastery so you would still want to

nothing about tea has changed except sub rogues need to watch and make sure they dont drop below 50 energy outside of dance and waste a charge

[cyan mural]

Kinda hate thristle tee (and snd), feels like a band-aid fix for something that should be redesigned

[orchid plinth]

all long as it's up when I Blades Blood Fury Symbols Badge Dance I'm gucci

[outer sky]

you dont have to press SnD anymore with these changes

[dull bridge]

are you saying you dont get below 50 energy in your rotation

[outer sky]

i actually really like thistle tea

off global free energy and free damage

[proven kayak]

bro why 2 weap enchnats 1 chest and 1 cloack enhant cost 60k

[orchid plinth]

Wait for Sub as well?

[outer sky]

yeah

no rogues have to press SnD once these changes hit

[orchid plinth]

Finally

ok this patch is fucking sick letSGO

[outer sky]

wait till you see the pally buffs...

[potent pivot]

please reread what you just said

[cyan mural]

I dont like how it feels to play 🤷‍♂️ but the snd change seams good and the sepsis removal but now 2xSymbols of Death should also make Sub more smooth, or am I wrong?

[outer sky]

its actually 3x symbols

[cyan mural]

I mean the 2xSymbols talent, Im just assuming that talent will replace Sepsis

[potent pivot]

in what world does this even make sense bro

[outer sky]

no it replaces shadowdust

i really like tea especially with this giga rot playstyle of assass. I see the healer start to struggle and just press tea to crank up the heat a bit

[potent pivot]

@dull bridge you can open with a solo Dance and not drop below 50 energy

outside of dance is the only issue

legit

[outer sky]

dont forget well have a symbols for every dance which will give us more energy during it. So I wouldnt worry about it during dance

[potent pivot]

you just pool your energy outside of dance

[potent pivot]

i'm just replying to the wild statement

making a point

that's all

[outer sky]

ya I gotchu

[cyan mural]

what do you guys think about the Fatebound changes?

[outer sky]

theyre good

coin will do even more giga dam

[cyan mural]

you guys think coin will be a viable option?

[potent pivot]

even a sin opener doesn't drop below 50 energy unless you're spamming Mutilate

[potent pivot]

it's already the best option for outlaw

[outer sky]

viable? yes. Ideal? For outlaw, yes, assass doubtful but maybe

[potent pivot]

or do you mean for sin

[cyan mural]

sin and sub

[potent pivot]

sub cant play it

[outer sky]

sub doesnt have fatebound

[cyan mural]

eh, true, lol, sin

[outer sky]

i think it will be viable for sure but I also think deathstalker will be slightly more preferred

[cyan mural]

why? Because the defenses in deathstalker are better or any other reason?

[outer sky]

deathstalker helps you rot

[orchid plinth]

I wonder what our uptime of symbols is gonna be with 3 charges, Inevitability, and u can also play Swift Death...

[potent pivot]

defensives, step CDR and dmg

[outer sky]

extra damage on CT and rupture

plus yeah step CDR and the defensive node

[river pollen]

wassap everyone, just wanted to make sure sparks of omen have no use pvp right?

[outer sky]

correct

[potent pivot]

Inevitability is sorta useless

[river pollen]

just got one and got disappointed after checking the ilvl

[river pollen]

ty

[potent pivot]

you don't need Symbols to last longer really

[orchid plinth]

True I guess that's very PvE-oriented

I saw Nahj was playing it instead of Shadow Focus + Shadow Techniques

Wait, that was referring to Swift Death

[outer sky]

i'll tell yall what sub needs

[potent pivot]

yeah i was about to say

[outer sky]

Nightblade back again

[potent pivot]

Swift Death is okay