pvp

[woven moss]

laugh now but wait till he comes in saying "look at the audacity"

[jolly sierra]

i have a snobby one which arrived at day 1 and just fought w like 2 villagers in the same day

the lady was a big douche, ngl

love it

[woven moss]

should of just booted her off the island

[jolly sierra]

nah, was funny af

[woven moss]

no one disrespect me on my island im building

[jolly sierra]

and is very stylish

the intention was to make them argue

XDDD

[woven moss]

someones gotta have a lil sass

youre evil but i love it hahaha

[jolly sierra]

im a rogue what do u expect

HAHAHA

[woven moss]

did we just become best friends

[jolly sierra]

maybe

[woven moss]

wanna go practice karate in the garage?

[jolly sierra]

k

[stoic spruce]

I don't understand

[woven moss]

thats a step brothers quote haha both of them

[stoic spruce]

I do

But I mean I don't understand

Like

Cosmically

[jolly sierra]

im bringing chaos to my animal crossing village

first brought a very snobby white wolf then a very old grandpa

ive researched

[jolly sierra]

and their personalities are the ones which argues the most

[stoic spruce]

I need deviled eggs

[woven moss]

lmfao

[jolly sierra]

here is the biggest karen in my island

[potent pivot]

warrior is honestly really fun

[jolly sierra]

warrior is very funny

and tbh

is ideal

to play drunk/stoned

[potent pivot]

kinda nice to turn your brain off for a little while

me slam

[jolly sierra]

me smash

me big number

me kill puny rogue

[woven moss]

karen needs a hair cut

[outer sky]

That's what PvE is for though

[jolly sierra]

she just said dont need it

[native trellis]

can u help please, how can i craft items which wil upgrade to 626 on BG or Arena?

[outer sky]

You wait until Tuesday

[jolly sierra]

waiting till season starts

they are not available yet

[native trellis]

so ppl who crafted it got this items from last DF season?\

[jolly sierra]

nah

used greens tho

[woven moss]

no you can get honor gear

[native trellis]

how many honor it needs maybe u know?

[woven moss]

i think crafted is 616 atm tho

[outer sky]

You can craft gear that's lower ilvl than honor gear or buy honor gear that's 626 in pvp

[woven moss]

ohhh you want it to be 626 in world pvp?

[outer sky]

Honor gear does that too

If you read it, it includes War Mode

[woven moss]

well im sorry i dont read much

[woven moss]

for a full set i wanna say is like 11k

if you grind bg for a day youll have it

[native trellis]

ty a lot

[woven moss]

no need to thank me. thats why were all here. to learn from one another

[jolly sierra]

this guy is nice

[native trellis]

u did a lot trust me, cause u saved my time
maybe i woould spend not a lot (10-20min) but still it's a way more than i spent on reading your messaged ❤️

[woven moss]

thats the worst its like if someone knows why not type it out instead you say look it up

it takes less time to tell someone than it does to type out a mean msg

but if you wanna play some bg i need to get the rest of my gear add me name is Lì

[jolly sierra]

tell ur server, ppl here plays in both EU and NA

[woven moss]

i live in asia but i play on a NA kil'jaeden

i thought severs didnt matter?

[jolly sierra]

for example if u wanna play with me you cant unless u join european servers

[potent pivot]

gotta try to keep the LFG stuff in the DMs

[woven moss]

sorry

[jolly sierra]

its fine dw

i say, you can ask people to join you but directly

but coordination is for DM

for example here had a homie which i asked to join me to kill shit and we invited each other ingame

[potent pivot]

yeh i wasn't following along, it's a weird rule in the first place kinda, but i get why it's there

usually people will talk about playing, but then take it to DMs

[jolly sierra]

its to keep the order i think

[potent pivot]

is the warforged nightmare not on the store anymore?

[jolly sierra]

i think it is?

[potent pivot]

i think they removed it

maybe it was added to the trading post?

can't find much about it

[jolly sierra]

ye wtf they removed it

[potent pivot]

i found 1 person saying they thought they saw it on the trading post last year

but i feel like i'd see more ppl on it if so

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

dont recall well tbh

[potent pivot]

where the outlaw boys at

@spring bough

[candid tide]

Weird the shadenox assa guide does not say anywhere in the rotation section to use ambush for deathstalker

[stoic spruce]

Why are you giving this newbie all the love?

[noble marsh]

Hi guys, is assa viable with frost mage 2s, or I absolutly need to go sub ? Ty for answer

[jolly sierra]

sub, assa problem is they need a healer to survive

[noble marsh]

Ok thank you

[grave basin]

Outlaw main this season

Kinda fun to not play assa for once

[vocal surge]

I'm here

[abstract breach]

Hi guys, what do you think is the go to spec for BGs this expac?

[tender ember]

sub>assa>>>>>>outlaw

[terse bolt]

the fuck are those encha shamans doods

[potent pivot]

any of the 3

they're all good

[terse bolt]

i just cant nuke those bastards

[potent pivot]

idk where you get your info but it's incorrect

@stoic spruce @vocal surge kalvish was war gaming as outlaw earlier

he still is actually

[tender ember]

he asked about BG, not arena

[potent pivot]

yeah and that's still incorrect

[tender ember]

Whats ur xp ingame?

[potent pivot]

why the fuck would i have to tell you my xp in game to tell you that all 3 specs are great for regular battlegrounds right now

are you fucking with me rn?

lmao

[tender ember]

Cause if ur low xp you shouldnt give any advice regarding topic

[potent pivot]

that's funny

[terse bolt]

i dont see anyone asking for outlaw in an rbg

there is absolutely nothing an outlaw can do that the two other specs cant do and much better

solo blitz, w/e just go an be a brawler

[potent pivot]

the guy didn't even specify rated

[terse bolt]

i will be doing that personally

then if we are not talking about rated we might aswell move to the pve channels xd

since all three specs perform great

[tender ember]

Sub is best spec in the game in RBG, assa due to subterfuge 6 sec is close + his dmg, outlaw is nowhere close to both those specs

[potent pivot]

1: prolly higher than you
2: i think that's objectively incorrect as well
3: if you're going to be elitist, leave

[abstract breach]

Haha, I just wanna have fun in BGs and maybe play rated soloQ. I thought RBGs were gone this xpac?

[tender ember]

im df multiglad eu, you

[potent pivot]

RBGs should still be around, though how active they will be remains to be seen with Blitz being a thing

[terse bolt]

0

i will never play rbg again with soloq coming out, i don't miss any of those high rated fucks

[potent pivot]

i'll redirect you to # 3

[vocal surge]

2300 xp here

[potent pivot]

this isn't a place to kick others down

[terse bolt]

1.6 xp here

[vocal surge]

To be fair thou

[terse bolt]

casually posting it on reddit every season

[potent pivot]

if that's how you want to be, this isn't the place for you

[vocal surge]

Low rated players tend to have super biased takes

[terse bolt]

"hey guys i know it means nothing, but i am proud of myself"

[vocal surge]

I had someone talking down on mages

Checked their rating and they're not Combatant

[tender ember]

i dont understand your language

[abstract breach]

I thought they were being removed straight up. Thanks! Was blitz around last xpac? I didn't play 🙂

[potent pivot]

if you are going to try and use an experience rating in a game for how much value something someone says holds, you are in the wrong place

[tender ember]

?? xD i just told the guy legit iniformation about which spec is bis. U said im completely wrong, so I asked ur XP ingame

[potent pivot]

because you told him something incorrect

[azure rapids]

:)))

[potent pivot]

for regular BGs every spec is great rn

[tender ember]

lmao this is how world works xD if i need advice about civil engineering i go to the civil engineer not a priest XD

[potent pivot]

beginners come here to ask questions and learn

[potent pivot]

no, it isn't. it's just toxic and has no place in this community.

[tender ember]

he asked what is "BiS" spec, u know what that means bruh?

best in slot, not what is fun/easy

[vocal surge]

How is it toxic if you're going to experts for advice

The advice can be of much higher quality

[potent pivot]

that's not what is toxic. acting like someone with "less xp" has no value in what they say, is.

[potent pivot]

i'd argue sin is the "bis" spec for a regular BG

rated is an entirely different story

[vocal surge]

Outlaw > Sin for Regular BGs imo

[tender ember]

i needed some info about rogue pve performance so i joined this discord, but i see u would go to the bakery and asked ur questions xd

[vocal surge]

Just having Trickster as your Hero talent is above and beyond stronger than anything else

since 20yd sap means your out of people's patrol range

[terse bolt]

can someone explain to me, what breaks stealth in assa?

[potent pivot]

not everyone who literally writes the pve guides has Cutting Edge or rank 1 m+ scores. is there input invalid now? no

[terse bolt]

had this problem with sub aswell, but they fixed it i believe

[candid tide]

Aoe

Bleeds

[terse bolt]

okay serious answers only

[candid tide]

Dots

[terse bolt]

no debuffs on me

[tender ember]

then i wouldnt read

id preffer some1 with CE to teach me how to play mythic raid

[potent pivot]

[tender ember]

stealth is bugged atm, it breaks randomly as well for no reasons

[terse bolt]

learn how to play raid, i am dying

[terse bolt]

seems so

[potent pivot]

and you don't see the issue with your train of thought?

[candid tide]

Ah ye theres a stealth bug idd

[potent pivot]

i'm fucking rolling

[tender ember]

dude whats ur problem xD ur like some guy went to the doctor showed him documents, doctor said what his ill was, then NoTrickz guy coming in the room and telling doctor is wrong xD

cos he watched dr house

[potent pivot]

it doesn't take a master chef to teach someone to bake buddy

you act like you're a 10x r1 talking to a 1.2k player or something

it's funny

[vocal surge]

Aye

Got a compliment from a Skill Capped lad

[tender ember]

actually u have acted like that xD

[potent pivot]

? how so

[tender ember]

i just answered guy's question and u went in saying im completely wrong, so i asked how experience u r in game and thats all

[potent pivot]

i'm not trying to downplay your achievements, nor say you are wrong because you aren't a rank 1

[vocal surge]

What about the Trickster vs Fatebound Outlaw argument?

[potent pivot]

i just said that your statement was incorrect as an answer to the question that was asked

[tender ember]

yes and i wanted to see if u have any idea of pvp so i asked about ur xp thats all

[potent pivot]

if he had asked about RBG/Blitz, i wouldn't have said anything

but you're telling someone that sub is way better, for a regular BG.... it's just wrong

[tender ember]

ah so now u agree with xp manifesto

xd

[potent pivot]

and statements like that shoehorn casuals into thinking they can't play anything else

[candid tide]

I was R2 in Arena Tournament cata

[potent pivot]

i've been pvping since TBC man

[candid tide]

But the game is so diff now from then

[potent pivot]

i do not

you just need to think about this maybe, like i've said already - this is a place for beginners and people who want to learn and get better

[tender ember]

yo man, u meant rbg/blitz / casual bg or bg with bots? xD

[potent pivot]

he already stated he was asking about regular BGs

[tender ember]

i dont see word regular

he typed "BGs" that include more than 1 type

[potent pivot]

[tender ember]

gramma is hard ye

[potent pivot]

at this point it doesn't even matter

[abstract breach]

I came back mainly because RBGs were super tryhard and hard to get into. I want to try bliz and of course I'll start out with normal bgs. I don't care if I'm not playing something S tier but I didn't want to play something that was shit either

[tender ember]

got u bro, so id go assa because is very easy to play and learn for beginners and is close to subtetly in blitz

sub is better, but requires a lot more skill

[potent pivot]

just curious

do you understand where i was coming from at all

or is that just lost on you

[safe pelican]

Sinnen or Popo send me your outlaw build code bout to get her 80 before bed

[abstract breach]

I started leveling (from 70) as a sub and it seems as it has crazy burst but if you haven't got CDs you ain't doing jack shit. That correct? 😄

[indigo hill]

Outlaw is miles ahead of assassin and sub. Sub is like submissive, a bottom. Assassin has ass in it twice. Outlaw is the pirate with a gun and a grappling hook. Double grappling hook if you play the better hero talents. I think the choice is obvious.

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-uh-ok-shy-gif-13015578

[potent pivot]

you're kind of a stun bot if you don't have any CDs, but you try to play to get Dance charges back through CDR

[abstract breach]

I see. What's Assa like? I might consider the switch if it's easier since I haven't played rogue in ages

[potent pivot]

if balance stays similiar to how it is now, i think people are going to be quite surprised at how well all 3 perform in blitz

[potent pivot]

assa is mainly a DoT maintenance spec, but has really good AoE right now

what you lack in ST burst, you can make up for with how strong the AoE is

[vocal surge]

not me too? :c

[tender ember]

i understand but i find it incorrect

[abstract breach]

I see. So for leveling it'll be better for sure. I think I'll switch to Assa and see how I like it. If it's easier than Sub I might stay with it until I git gud

[potent pivot]

i'll make it as simple as i possibly can. this is a place to welcome others and help each other. bringing rating into it is toxic and generally not tolerated. that's all.

[safe pelican]

lol aren’t you Popo ?! 🙂‍↕️

[vocal surge]

No

[tender ember]

ye i was trying to help bro, u went at me saying im wrong so i wanted to check how valuable is ur opinion

[potent pivot]

just make sure to read your talents and everything. assa can spread AoE DoTs during it's Subterfuge window (6sec after breaking stealth), etc

[vocal surge]

Sinnen's build
CQQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwDAMDGGzMDmZGmhhZmZmZMzMtNjZZGAAAAAAstNzMjHYmhFmZZMAAAAMzMgBz2sZmZGNzsxsxy20CbGA

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/writethatdown-gif-5313946

[terse bolt]

assa question, 1v1 situation, u want to burst the shitter down, do u use envenom as the first dmg dealing finisher or CT?

[vocal surge]

Stat Prio: Vers | Haste > Mast > Crit

[safe pelican]

Ty gunna try it out in a few

[indigo hill]

Outlaw has a double grappling hook. So...just wanted to put that out there.

[potent pivot]

yeah i just don't think someone's rating is what gives value to their opinion, even rank 1s have been incorrect at times. we're human. we can have an amicable discussion without being toxic.

[candid tide]

What is ct?

[vocal surge]

Double Grappling Hook is exclusively for Fatebound

[tender ember]

stat prio for assa in pvp is 30vers->mastery->crit->haste xd

[potent pivot]

crimson tempest

[indigo hill]

A.k.a. The better choice.

[potent pivot]

envenom

[candid tide]

Crimson Tempest as a finisher?

[terse bolt]

thought so, just bored to figure out the maths

[potent pivot]

this also might be changing this season :p

[potent pivot]

it's an AoE DoT

[zealous sand]

hmm we dont play kingsbane in arena?

(setting up all specs atm)

[potent pivot]

you can play it in 2v2

[candid tide]

Do we ever use it in arena?

[potent pivot]

not really recommended for 3v3 or BGs

[zealous sand]

kk cheers

[tender ember]

xd

[candid tide]

Ye thought so

[tender ember]

lol dude u spreading miss information hard

[potent pivot]

yeah, any time you can hit 2 or more targets with it.

[potent pivot]

lol? lay it out then

[tender ember]

completely wrong

[potent pivot]

no, it isn't

[candid tide]

Theres a reason he has the community figure role xd

[terse bolt]

the less buttons the better bros

dont spec into kingsbane

[potent pivot]

Kingsbane does dogshit damage right now

[candid tide]

Aye

[tender ember]

kinsbane is still bursty and on basic does more dmg than bone spike

[potent pivot]

SBS does more overall damage

[tender ember]

i tested in on wargames and it doesnt

[candid tide]

Bonespike is auto proc passive now so no need to pay attention to that

[potent pivot]

even on beta it was

and it hasn't changed

Kingsbane does similar damage to what it was doing in DF s4 and health pools are way higher now

[tender ember]

as well every r1 rogue build contains kingsbane for arena

and hoa rogs builds as well for rbg

[terse bolt]

hoa rogs xddd

[tender ember]

hota sry

[potent pivot]

how could you possibly even know that

when the season hasn't even started

[azure rapids]

:)))

[tender ember]

dude cos ppl playing it xD

[azure rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[tender ember]

on wargames shuffle 😄

[terse bolt]

no i mean who takes seriously hota rogue theorycrafting dood

[potent pivot]

i'd still disagree

idk who you're talking about, but it isn't what i've been seeing that's for sure

[azure rapids]

For some reason i anejoy assa the least, Outlaw the Most but sub seems alot better and more focused on getting a kill 😛

will just go full Outlaw in Blitz and see how far it takes me 😛

something about dancing around the battlefield and brawling it out that really appeals to me on Outlaw

[potent pivot]

The way things are looking so far it’ll probably do you just fine

It’s kinda funny how neglected outlaw has been by all the popular players

All of them saying it’s not good without even testing it

[azure rapids]

i agree,i find it a bit weird that it`s being put down in Blitz just by theory alone, due to dmg, lot of games won in blitz by flags and objectives rather then big dps team fights

[potent pivot]

Kalvish just said outlaw felt insane in his war games

[azure rapids]

😄

[tender ember]

war games bro, not rbg

[vocal surge]

I thought he was just purely queuing skirms

[tender ember]

ofc outlaw will be top tier at r1 range with rmp

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure he did shuffle war games

[vocal surge]

Probably earlier

[potent pivot]

I wasn’t making a statement about rbg?

[tender ember]

what? xd u know what is hota?

[azure rapids]

are there any Macro`s for Outlaw ,that most people use for CS windows ?

or any macros in general like Mini gos and big gos for Sub ?

[tender ember]

there is none, u just ambush into bte

only cd is trinket

[potent pivot]

Pretty much everyone has been saying it’s not good across the board

I just think it’s cool more people are actually testing it and realizing it’s really good

[zealous sand]

idk but, every rogue spec rn, feels pretty nice to play,

[azure rapids]

Will only be doing Blitz anyway 😄

will never step foot in a arena or shuffle ever again :))

[potent pivot]

I agree

[zealous sand]

get some boys for 3v3, then when solo blitz 😄

[potent pivot]

The hero talent trees are a little lackluster, but all 3 have good dmg atm

[zealous sand]

outlaw seems very tanky

[azure rapids]

I feel sub is a bit tankier

but might be wrong 😄

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t recommend many macros in general, except for focus macros, step->kick macro, etc

The only “rotational” macro I usually recommend is macroing Badge to Symbols

If you’re struggling, you can use a big go macro like:

Symbols, Blades, Badge, Tea

[azure rapids]

nah i am ok on Outlaw was curious if there are macros i am missing out on

on Sub i tried the badge and symbols one the rest of burst manual 😛

[potent pivot]

But you definitely still want separate buttons for Symbols, Tea etc

[azure rapids]

might just boost a second Rogue as a alt for Outlaw due to diffrent gear requirements, seeing as Dracthyr will get rogues in November 😄

and also be able to fight in the Elf form

then just fly around in WPVP as a dragon don t sound that bad 😛

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve already got 2

[vocal surge]

x)

Bonked another Outlaw rogue in a 1v1

It was a 1 sided slaughter, Fatebound vs Trickster

[potent pivot]

i think trimaz is testing some Fatebound rn

just skirms though as far as i can tell

[vocal surge]

Aye

I wonder what he'll find in testing

[lone goblet]

Is warlock really good right now? (I hope)

[potent pivot]

yeah it seems really close so i'm also curious what people will end up picking

[potent pivot]

affliction is kinda op atm

[lone goblet]

I was happily doing a pvp world quest here and some warlock fears me and dots me up, so I think "ok lets see how rogue pvp is this expansion"

Bro ate my whole deathmark kingsbane and his health barely moved.

I died soon after

So uhh...

[potent pivot]

lmfao

[lean cargo]

Is it better to use full honor gear or heroic gear for world pvp

[potent pivot]

honor gear for sure

pvp gear scales up to it's pvp ilvl during wpvp combat

[vocal surge]

ezpz 3 base cap

[azure rapids]

eew Human 😛

[tawdry wraith]

Why dont you move your castbar out of your icons

[vocal surge]

Forgot it exists

[spring bough]

Love waking up to see this 🔥

Tuesday can’t come soon enough 😁

[potent pivot]

indeed

i've got a bit of a conundrum though ngl

[lime oar]

Dude really just came in here and ignored the fact that you’re probably community figure for a reason.

[potent pivot]

some people are toxic like that man idk

there's a reason i don't broadcast my character's names

"lol u didn't get r1 last season nothing u say matters lol"

[indigo hill]

What is that action bar frame? It's nice.

[candid tide]

btw guys why would we want to farm crazy for those sockets atm ?

we can only get 1 piece of CQ at the season start anyways

points are capped no?

[potent pivot]

we should be able to get 2 pieces, but yeah points are capped

[candid tide]

or u wanna sockets all ur greens pvp gear

[potent pivot]

definitely not your greens

[candid tide]

and then farm again for the CQ gear 💀

ye pls no

[potent pivot]

we might be able to socket blue crafted gear

and those sockets might carry over to purple gear if we get the blue gear recrafted

but really

[candid tide]

if u farm for it all thats hardcore asl

[potent pivot]

you don't need to rush sockets unless you're at a bit of a higher level

you will get the honor gradually while you farm conquest

[candid tide]

ah ye thats true also idd

[potent pivot]

only those of us that want to squeeze every miniscule upgrade are going to farm them fast

they honestly don't make that big of a difference

[candid tide]

are u sure about that?

think full socket and weap ench gonna hit diff

but skills pay the bills ofc

[potent pivot]

yeah, i am

like full sockets compared to zero sockets is a somewhat noticeable difference

but someone getting them gradually compared to someone no lifing them? not that big

we're talking like

2% more dps type shit

at most

[lime oar]

It won’t take that long to get full socket anyway even if u start late and farm the honor once the season starts. Think about how much honor u had overflowing in DF

[potent pivot]

i'm not including enchants in that, because you can just buy that for gold

[candid tide]

the diff between the number 1 and 2 in 100m sprint is 0,17 sec

: D

[potent pivot]

but are you competing for the #1 spot? :p

the average player isn't going to no life sockets

so odds are you won't face a lot of fully socketed people (depending on your level ofc)

[candid tide]

yeah thats true

[potent pivot]

yeh they really made a good decision with it imo

it seems like it's a fuck ton of honor, which it kinda is, but you get that passively in like... 2 months maybe?

[candid tide]

yeah maybe im overthinking right now, gotta chilll

[lime oar]

How much does each socket cost?

[potent pivot]

yeah it just depends what you're trying to get out of it

[candid tide]

well it is my dream to get high rated in retail

[potent pivot]

like if you're still in your beginner stages, i def wouldn't stress socket farming rn and focus on gameplay

[potent pivot]

something like 14750-15k honor total

the socket setting costs 9750 and 2 Bloodstones, Bloodstones are like 2k ea

[lime oar]

can’t u buy bloodstones for gold to quicken it as well

[potent pivot]

yeah

those are going to stay pretty expensive i'm sure

[lime oar]

Yeah was still around 10k last I checked

[potent pivot]

they were like 7k yesterday iirc

no idea if they're server specific

[lime oar]

I’d have 4 right now but I sold one during early access lmao

L

I like that they put them in the war crates. Gives more incentive for ppl to be out doing stuff

[potent pivot]

gotta get that gold while the getting's good imo

i've made like 500k since launch, completely passively

[candid tide]

106k here should do

[indigo hill]

15k honor is easy to get and you're pretty quickly geared and have little to no use for it. Good thing they added a useful honor dump.

[warm tundra]

share the method pls bro

just crafting and spamming trade chat?

[potent pivot]

there is no method, i just played the game

[warm tundra]

but through what sources, it cant be just pvping and dungeons right

[potent pivot]

most of the gold i made was just from queuing pvp

[warm tundra]

well lol

[potent pivot]

lol

[warm tundra]

what does pvp give for gold

[potent pivot]

some of it was from open world stuff

like doing wpvp WQs, and other weekly quests

but most of it is from recipe drops from the pvp boxes

when you win a game you get a box, that box can drop pvp gear recipes

[warm tundra]

im guessing this will drop sharply in price in the following months

[candid tide]

weap enchant alr dropped from 65k to 10k

[potent pivot]

yeah

[warm tundra]

rip, it does seem like the best gold sources are very time critical

at least for pvp you dont have to invest in levelling it like a profession though

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean that's how wow has always been

there are ways to make consistent gold no matter when though

[warm tundra]

isnt it just alchemy 99% of the time that stays good?

[potent pivot]

but you have to be willing to spend the time

you can go farm old dungeons and raids and vendor gear for gold

can make a druid and farm hyperspawns

there's lots of different stuff

[warm tundra]

as a sidenote

does rogue suck for RBGs?

i keep getting sucked back into AOE death by DKs

and DKs seem to be everywhere this xpac

[potent pivot]

nah it's pretty good actually

[grave basin]

They're not too hot in the moshpit style

But everywhere else really good

Play objectives

Don't join the zerg

[potent pivot]

with a good healer assa is insane in rbg team fights

[warm tundra]

and whats the general playstyle? what i do right now is jump on healers, put my bleeds, deathmark, shiv, envenom and train them further

i think im also heavily outgeared though

3.8m HP fighting healers who have like 6.5

[indigo hill]

Rogue is a loner class. While everyone is fighting the war, you work in the shadows.

Yeah you need gear. Get full pvp honor and you'll do allot better.

[potent pivot]

i mean that's definitely a good reason not to play the zerg playstyle lol

it's generally not the playstyle you're going to play anyway, like these guys are saying

[indigo hill]

Stealing flags. Annoying healer with cc and slowing/killing flagcarriers is the way.

[potent pivot]

assa aoe is just toxic when you're able to do it

[grave basin]

That's too low hp

[orchid plinth]

Honestly I feel like Sub in BGs bring the best out of the spec, it's really fun with the mobility, capping bases, ninjaing, CCing healers and shit. So much potential. You're just never gonna top the DPS meter or whatever.

[grave basin]

And just focus on objectives

Rogue toolkit shines in smaller skirms

[warm tundra]

is our kit good enough to just massively burst down a lone healer

or should i stick to being a nuisance

[grave basin]

Without dampening you will never kill a healer solo

Unless he's afk

Or severely undergeared

[indigo hill]

Rogue is never the nuisance. You're the hero of the bg. While everyone else is in the middle spanking away on their damage meters, you bring in the points that lead to victory.

[warm tundra]

damn

last time i played was in SL

and i rememebr everyone had so much burst

[sand needle]

What's that spell? Convoke th--- dead

SL was a doozy

[indigo hill]

Guess it's something you just have to....cope with. 😎

[warm tundra]

boomie fae? yeah that was my main

fun fact

when they removed the big moon from list of possible spell vomit

they never removed it from Wpvp

so id often 1 tap people from full HP

[indigo hill]

There was nothing fun about that one shot.😂

[grave basin]

It's fun when you're the boomy getting carried to 2.4k for her mythic raid

[warm tundra]

yeah i enjoyed it a lot personally

[azure rapids]

True words

[warm tundra]

so is burst just not really as prominent anymore

or just rogue specifically doesnt really do that

[candid tide]

have to wait for season starts to say i guess

and there will be nerfs and buffs along the way too

[potent pivot]

sin specifically doesn't do that

sin's ST in general is kinda weak rn

[grave basin]

Since they nerfed crit no one bursts as hard as SL

Or even DF s1

Kingsbane did pump hard last season though if you had enough modifiers

[warm tundra]

what are the ST monsters so far?

[potent pivot]

ST has kinda died in pvp

everyone plays for cleave or burst for the most part

[warm tundra]

bruh

[potent pivot]

feral, fury warrior, uhhh

[orchid plinth]

Furu Warrior Frost mage best ST. They just happen to do the same damage when cleaving

[potent pivot]

affliction warlock

[warm tundra]

lmao

[potent pivot]

yeah

all the best specs atm

do insane dmg regardless

[warm tundra]

then i guess ill level an alt till season starts

fury or feral

[potent pivot]

but cleave has kinda become king in pvp

[potent pivot]

y u do this

[warm tundra]

why are there 2 dps tier lists

ST vs cleave specs?

[wanton breach]

do you not communicate solely via tier lists?

[wanton breach]

I'd rather say one is ranged dps and the other is melee but your differentiation might apply as well

[warm tundra]

very tempting to lvl up a warrior from scratch

how long is the lvlling process to 70 nowadays

[potent pivot]

uhhh

on average i'd say 6 hours or more if you're not quick

[warm tundra]

thats quite good

is it still just spamming dungeons only? any xpac of preference so i dont want 50 minutes in queue?

[potent pivot]

i have what i like to think is a brain, so like... i vomit a little when i see a tier list..

[potent pivot]

fastest 1-70 is mostly just questing

[warm tundra]

eh, guess ill catch up with what happened in DF then

[nova viper]

retri c?

[candid tide]

got it from the world pvp server

[candid tide]

idk

[final vessel]

Theres some very efficient leveling paths I recommend looking up.

[lusty heath]

What do you Guys think about Shadow ?

[wintry dew]

I like it

Better on sunny days

[terse bolt]

assa's bleeds ticking on enemies gets you out of stealth

are we in beta or what

[snow mesa]

is slow weapon in offhand better for sub or still just run 2 daggers

[wintry dew]

I believe not

Had that talk with NoTrickz the other day

[snow mesa]

ah so pshero is doing some unorthodox things again or

[potent pivot]

people have just been doing that forever, either they don't realize it's worse or they just don't care idk

[snow mesa]

he said its for the better stats but idk if that makes that much of a difference?

[potent pivot]

it becomes a pretty big difference

stats compared to what you lose is pretty bad

[snow mesa]

yeah i figured

idk he just plays what he likes ig

he also plays goremaws

[potent pivot]

yeh

he's probably just fucking around having fun man

[snow mesa]

yee I just wondered

[potent pivot]

don't think he's played retail in a very long time

[topaz bobcat]

sub is A tier in solo

S+ in team rated

how to balance?

[lusty heath]

30% flat DMG Nerf

[topaz bobcat]

Already have 2 alts, can't play sub in solo shuffle cuz I'm bad

can't have sub being OP in other people's hands

[potent pivot]

[topaz bobcat]

make shadowstrike do 500 dmg again like 2 xpacs ago

only trickle ppl and build cp

[potent pivot]

[topaz bobcat]

I'm glad u agree

gonna try outlaw maybe I can be more successful

[rain crown]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[spring bough]

What’s ur main class 🤔

[spring bough]

In a game last night. Against this DK monk I posted. My flurry did 6 mil to the monk pretty much killed him with flurry 😂

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

500ks from it are no joke lol

Parry that monk 💀

[vocal surge]

When anti-parry fix

[spring bough]

Blizz left one of our talents broke for two seasons

So ????????

Maybe monks can’t be parried cause technically they use fists?

Big brain thoughts

[orchid plinth]

Singular Focus in Deathstalker has a bug where if you have Mark on one target and Rupture on another the Singular Focus tick will break your stealth Great.

[vocal surge]

Tru

[orchid plinth]

they really b testing in production

[vocal surge]

Aye

Clutched a skirm before server shutdown

My ally sin rogue died

and it was me vs DH and Ele (both over 50%)

popped the DH fast

and then had a close call with Ele shaman 8s before server shutdown

Victory

[topaz bobcat]

whatever is op but ez to play, i am great at DH and BM hunter

also fury but bored of war

[spring bough]

Sick. Post those screenshots when you start playing ima need them for the forums 🔍

[topaz bobcat]

u need twitch clips to go viral on forums

[spring bough]

Good to know 📝

[topaz bobcat]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sub-rogue-tuning-when/534283

it's time to confess friends

confess so the nerfbat is small the longer this keeps on gonig the bigger the nerf

[spring bough]

Based on that guys guild name that forum post going nowhere fast

[vocal surge]

Btw Devs

can we nerf fDK's by 20%

[topaz bobcat]

it's coming

[spring bough]

DH too

[topaz bobcat]

DK nerf is already approved

[vocal surge]

and feral

[spring bough]

BM hunter and fury just preempt nerf them

[vocal surge]

and shadow priest

[foggy void]

if sub dmg gets nerfed its just gonna be f tier solo q again

[vocal surge]

I wonder if Nuv's doing this forum post

because he lost to a rogue comp in the past

[topaz bobcat]

guys, the nerf is happening just come to acceptance

[vocal surge]

I mean your kinda stalking this PvP channel for bias confirmation and screenshots

[outer sky]

wait can someone link the nerfs?

[vocal surge]

when you don't really know the details behind arena skirm games except for rogue top damage

[topaz bobcat]

I have top secret info from my friend who works at the confidential underground blizzard class balance and testing labs that rupture for deathstalker, subterfuge and soothing darkness are being looked at for nerfs

[outer sky]

Soothing darkness lmfao I damn near forget about that most of the time

[topaz bobcat]

are u sub or assa?

[halcyon timber]

Propaganda

[vocal surge]

^

[halcyon timber]

Horrible hear say and nonsense

[topaz bobcat]

Watch what happens by season launch week

[outer sky]

I play all 3 specs

[halcyon timber]

Don’t need to, its little shit birds always being weird sabotaging things

[topaz bobcat]

it heals a lot for sub

[snow mesa]

anyone know why i cant join the brawl? (im not in a group) and it says "Join as group failed"

[outer sky]

Good they need it

[outer sky]

happening to all of us

[snow mesa]

I see just a bug then

[outer sky]

They better not touch deathstalker rupture that's the only worthwhile part of the entire tree in pvp

6s subterfuge is all thats keeping rogues around at this point

for outlaw it's absolutely mandatory

[halcyon timber]

It matters what other classes want for you, its some weird fetish communism

[outer sky]

do we get to choose what other classes lose?

[halcyon timber]

Nope

[topaz bobcat]

we are discussing rogues in every discord and people think so too

[halcyon timber]

F any of that anyway

[outer sky]

people complaining about rogues is as old as pvp itself. Its nothing new

[halcyon timber]

Making the game dull bc some pp for eyes trinkets a 3s gouge in 2024

[vocal surge]

or has adaptation

[outer sky]

I love how for "immortal classes" that picked the 2 leather squishies that cant press anything while CCd

[vocal surge]

or trinkets a sap

[halcyon timber]

Please avoid stirring the pot sir. Be better than that regarding any class

[topaz bobcat]

it will be still very strong after 10-20% nerf due to the defensives

[indigo hill]

Did you reply earlier about your actionabars? Not sure if i missed it.

[vocal surge]

lemme see

Ah

[outer sky]

defensives? What defensives? AFAIK theres only 1 defensive node on the tree

[vocal surge]

I made that from scratch

[indigo hill]

Is that the rtb on top of it?

[vocal surge]

Ye

RTB, 3 on eaech side

[topaz bobcat]

yes but u can choose between 2

[vocal surge]

and Unseen Blade in the middle

later down the road, imma add Fatebound's coins

[indigo hill]

Where or how did you make it?

[vocal surge]

Weakaura

[halcyon timber]

Every class gained defensives bubs

And the anti rogue 5% dr gem while ccd

[outer sky]

one of them is vastly better than the other and still pretty trash. It should be 40% or at least 30%. 20% tied to 2m CDs is garbage. barely even worth considering

[indigo hill]

Is that weakaura public?

[vocal surge]

Nope

[topaz bobcat]

ok now going to discuss rogues in the next class discord, chat to u later

[vocal surge]

I made it ~2 days ago

[halcyon timber]

5 for 5 arbys roast beef sammiches are public

[vocal surge]

haven't finished it yet

rn working on a couple QOL things

[dull bridge]

we don't even have the best stun in the game anymore :^) maim still has 20 sec cd

[vocal surge]

Trackers for Combo Points, HP, Energy, AR, and Stealth/Subterfuge

[surreal barn]

Healers are immortal gods

[indigo hill]

What do you use for the frame?

[vocal surge]

Plunderstorm assets

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[vocal surge]

lol

[surreal barn]

It was so funny, 4 of us trying to kill this disc healer

He was just shitting on all of us

[halcyon timber]

“Bringing us in line with other classes” when no one operates as we do or depends on conditions to turn the tide

[indigo hill]

You should consider making more of those. They look really nice.

[vocal surge]

I actually have in the past

[halcyon timber]

Just hear say and slander as usual

[indigo hill]

On my monk i used Misty teahouse's frames. She made some really nice ones.

[vocal surge]

First iteration

[dull bridge]

y'all should stop getting baited by a rando

[vocal surge]

cant find the one I made upgraded from this for SL

but then I worked on this for DF

[halcyon timber]

Just stirring the pot as usual , nothing to see here man

[proven kayak]

I’m really into learning to play survival as an alt this expa seems fun

[halcyon timber]

Survival definitely seems cool yeah

[dull bridge]

SV is really fun - the only spec that has access to every dr in the game i think

the problem is the rotation feels very meh rn and you'll break your own cc with explosive

[topaz bobcat]

great choice

[halcyon timber]

Warlock fear says bonjour as you die to rot

XD

Haunt appears to be one of the things breaking us out atm . The spellslinger interaction was fixed yesterday as well.

[steel scarab]

So many things break us out of stealth, but the most frustrating ones break us out without us even being in combat, that is absolutely wild

[vocal surge]

Lad, I checked most of the discords

people not even really talking about rogues

[woeful bear]

hi guys, any talent guide for sub pvp?

[halcyon timber]

“We don’t negotiate with terrorists” - Les Grossman

[tawdry imp]

I know I'm dogshit at rogue but every time I read someone else's opinion on how godlike powerful they are it makes me wonder what obvious critical aspects of the class I'm missing

jump a warlock who pops dark pact in a stun and is basically pristine after my full burst fuck I'm so powerful

[vocal surge]

Usually its the low CR players than make those claims

and dont know how to counter classes

[rain crown]

@vocal surge what is the reason outlaw doesn’t go strictly crit anymore?

[vocal surge]

Mastery scaling goes hard

[rain crown]

We have a haste breakpoint now?

[vocal surge]

Haste increases Unseen Blade proc rates, double dips attack speed with Swift Slasher, and more MG procs

25% for GCD

also alot of weapon proc effects scale with haste rn

enchants included

[tawdry imp]

a DK posts this of all people

[rain crown]

@vocal surge so how are you building your stats?

Hard to hit 25 percent haste right

[vocal surge]

You can hit 20% naturally

I changed my haste a lil bit lower

~17% haste and rest mastery

[halcyon timber]

Its knowing how to read other classes at the exact right time and chain things together. Preserving your momentum is key in a lot of times. Especially when outnumbered

[topaz bobcat]

pro tip: switch targets when someone pops defensives

[rain crown]

@vocal surge same stats if playing fate?

[vocal surge]

probably imo

[tawdry imp]

1m cd btw

[vocal surge]

Although Fatebound has less natural crit than Trickster

[topaz bobcat]

ask evoker friend to use the anti shield thing

[vocal surge]

Trickster has +10% crit to finishers and can easily hit 100% crit chance on BTE with Ruthless Precision

at no crit value

[rain crown]

Ah ok

So is trickster generally the better option

[halcyon timber]

Forum Funstoppo will try to change that

[rain crown]

Coin seems to pump some games

[outer sky]

The forums arent littered with rogue posts either

[vocal surge]

12% + 10% (No Scruples) + 2% (Lethality) + 20% Between the Eyes + 15% / 60% Ruthless Precision

[topaz bobcat]

also set bonus soon

very big numbers with death from above

[vocal surge]

Coin pumping is inconsistent

[vocal surge]

If you're losing to a rogue using DFA

You're legitimately getting styled on

hard

[topaz bobcat]

I'm the rogue using DFA

[vocal surge]

Dont forget Trickster has more Critical Strike Damage on builders

[brave crag]

How do you guys enjoy Dfa , I've been using it last couple of days but I don't think I like pressing the button if I'm honest

[vocal surge]

20% from lethality 2p + 25% from Surprising Strikes

[halcyon timber]

Its 15% again

But thats ok

[topaz bobcat]

i get tilted when DFA gets gripped or smth, still happens right?

[halcyon timber]

Pair it with other stuff to make it effective

[vocal surge]

as far as haste stacking goes btw

[topaz bobcat]

it's troll. don't enjoy it but maybe with ultra high mastery, set bonus + cold blood can do half hp bar smth later who knows

[vocal surge]

You can hit ~50% haste if you go all haste gear in PvP

Take Your Cut + Take 'em by Surprise + Alacrity with all PvP gear haste gets you to 50%

[outer sky]

I tested it on beta, it's not enough extra damage to be worthwhile. Especially since DFA takes a while to go off, you waste like a third of your stun lock stuck in the animation. DFA's main utility is for mobility and avoiding damage

[stoic spruce]

Baby haste

[spring bough]

What you at 70%

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk why yall talking about its damage

[brave crag]

Oh good I thought I was crazy thinking it isn't worth pushing sometimes lol

[stoic spruce]

On a slow day

[stoic spruce]

It's used for roots and boring stuff like that

[spring bough]

God damn popo shooting from the hip automatic love it

[stoic spruce]

Or when you wanna style on them hoes

It's a sick animation

[topaz bobcat]

goood idea

gonna go farm low levels in style

[stoic spruce]

He gets it

[topaz bobcat]

hopefully they hate rogues after i'm done

[stoic spruce]

:)

Most rogue hate is directed at sub

Change that

😈

[spring bough]

I was farming level 70s at some world quest the other day. They def hate rogues now lol

[halcyon timber]

https://static.miraheze.org/loathsomecharacterswiki/8/8b/Randall_weems.jpg

Funstoppo at it again

[spring bough]

Then this ally mage last night in hallowfall world PvP. Got the 10 kills after bounty and probably 30 more after that. Bro was in /1 complaining so bad 😂

He was probably 20 of my kills lol

[foggy void]

DFA can still be used to dodge like leg sweep and shit like that lol

any aoe cc really

[topaz bobcat]

but dk grips interrupt it no?

[foggy void]

yeah

[stoic spruce]

It has an I frame

[foggy void]

it wont stop targeted cc

[stoic spruce]

I don't recommend actually using dfa

Btw

[rain crown]

@spring bough prob me trying to do pvp world quests at level 72

[stoic spruce]

It's like unholys reanimation. It's really bad but it's pretty neat.

[topaz bobcat]

what class u leveling?

i did 80 mage, rogue, shaman, paladin, lock,

evoker next maybe

the paladin i think gonna be poo poo rest OK

[spring bough]

Sorry 💀

[rain crown]

@topaz bobcat I did 2 rogues and have bounced around between war pala and lock

[spring bough]

Rogue, DH, DK, feral, fifth is either fury or hunter

I have 3 other level 70 rogues 😂

[rain crown]

Destro with the demon summons hero talent is sick though so I’m leaning that as an alt

Diabalist or whatever

[spring bough]

Demo lock always interested me. I like classes with pets

Can they dual pet yet like BM lol

[rain crown]

Yea I can’t do pet classes

But destro summons demons now too lol

The pit lord or whatever hit for 500k at level 72

[stoic spruce]

I miss outlaw

[spring bough]

What you mean outlaw S tier this season

[dull bridge]

Somebody wrote that mastery had good scaling on outlaw but looks like it's the worst stat in pve

[warm tundra]

sub got too many damn buttons

[dull bridge]

tbh crit is worth a lot less in pvp

[stoic spruce]

I mean I miss it

[dull bridge]

so I'd be curious about our build

[spring bough]

Not gonna lie I tested last night. 29.0% mastery in pvp gear was getting me 130k main gauche crits and 90k avg crit for it like 65k avg hit

[warm tundra]

any chance we might get a number shrink mid-xpac?

[stoic spruce]

The more haste I have, the faster things die

[spring bough]

And crit on a lot of abilities was still 50% and up lol

Still at 25% haste with stealth and alacrity

MG got up to around 10-11% of lot overall some games

[rain crown]

@spring bough you agree that trickster is better than fate?

[spring bough]

Wouldn’t say better but I swap back and forth and for me I usually average more as trick. Maybe I’m just trash with fate idk. I do have fate game where coin is top dmg by far. But somehow feel like I do more burst with trick. I had 15 unseen blade procs in 1 minute 40 seconds last night. Internal cooldown is 20seconds so it should be 4 a minute. 4 on average does about a million damage and can hit in a subterfuge window if ripping

[grave basin]

damn kalvish playing outlaw with tea

wtf

[spring bough]

Yeah ST outlaw build uses tea instead of lethality I believe

Can be a bit starved without all RTB buffs lol

[grave basin]

bro what is this tech

i didnt know you ever use tea as outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Stat squish will happen . We are headed past legion nonsense so yeah midnight will likely be brought back down.

[warm tundra]

i hope so, i never liked MILLIONS OF DAMAGE for my basic attacks

[halcyon timber]

Its just relative values to hp

[grave basin]

like here he pops tea before even engaging

am i stupid or is this some 200iq play

[halcyon timber]

Theres a rhyme and a reason always

[vocal surge]

Fun fact about TWW Outlaw vs SL Outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Mg slaps

[vocal surge]

We have 70x the stats of a SL Outlaw

but even if you multiply the top damage of a SL outlaw, it's only a quarter of what a TWW Outlaw can do

in S1 gear btw

[spring bough]

Mastery

[grave basin]

yea i know mastery

[lime oar]

Yeah I had to download classic numbers addon and have it abbreviated to 1.2m, 500k etc etc

[grave basin]

but wwhats the point

it's got 3 seconds remaining

[spring bough]

I mean if he’s at like 30% mastery unbuffed and then pops tea to get over 40% he is probably doing close to 200k main gauche

[grave basin]

and it expires bfore he even gets the first cheap

[halcyon timber]

They are likely going back to premop / cata numbers

[vocal surge]

160k

[spring bough]

Still crazy

[grave basin]

i swear ong ong outlaw is cracked

[vocal surge]

We're close to 30% and it's near 100k

[spring bough]

Shhhhh cause it is

[grave basin]

good thing is that killing spree S L A P S now

[spring bough]

I did a Milly DPS in 3s last night

Clips in here too lol

Melted a monk with just flurry

[vocal surge]

Shhhhh

[halcyon timber]

Fuckin randall will show up if you’re too happy

[vocal surge]

They watching us

[spring bough]

I want to find a way to take cold blood and macro it to KS

So it always crits

[vocal surge]

Didn't Cold Blood make the 1st hit of KS crit only?

[spring bough]

No

It was doing every hit last I did it and checked details

I ran it on the dummy did two KS with blood before and had like a 98% crit

[halcyon timber]

That means they changed it from df (if true)

[spring bough]

Check it on dummy I might be delulu but I think it was making every one of the 16 hits almost crit

[grave basin]

that's too good to be true

[warm tundra]

is whistle tea a serious dmg buff or just better than nothing?

[spring bough]

You on @vocal surge ?

[vocal surge]

im about to go to college

56mins till class starts

[spring bough]

Some outlaw try it rq im at work lol

[grave basin]

maintenance on NA

[vocal surge]

also its extended maintenance

[grave basin]

of course

4 hours too

[spring bough]

🪦

[grave basin]

all my play time today gone

finally kids asleep

jk blizz cucks me

[halcyon timber]

Ah scumbags again?

[spring bough]

I just remember doing it last night looking at details and the crit bar was def over 90% lol

[vocal surge]

imagine

we drop Deeper stratagem for CB

[spring bough]

That’s what I did

😂

I dropped DS and then went 1/2 vigor I believe

Was kinda pumping ngl

Only dummy tho didn’t do a game

[rain crown]

Are there any specific buffs you want before you pop ks?

Outside of max cp

[spring bough]

No just immediately pop it if it’s up when using trickster for the next two unseen procs to ignore the CD

[grave basin]

ghostly strike and make sure you have bte buff

if fatebound

[spring bough]

If coup is up press that before KS so you get like +25% dmg to KS

[foggy void]

how much damage does KS do now

[grave basin]

alot

1.4m+ on the tooltip

with no modifiers

[spring bough]

About a million no buffs for a 7cp finisher lol

With crits/non crits

If it crits doing way more

[halcyon timber]

As God intended

[grave basin]

amen

that's better

[spring bough]

I’m gonna test this cold blood idea later in games

See if I can 100 to 0 someone with it in a kidney

[grave basin]

if only game is up rn

[spring bough]

I gotta wait to get home from work at 5-6 😭

[warm tundra]

yall spec into crimson tempest for pvp? if yes how many targets do u need to use it

[grave basin]

in 3s and shuffle yes

use it on 3+

[orchid plinth]

Spec CT and put Details in the middle of your screen

[dusky flower]

Yoo fellow rogues, what have you guys been playing for assas pvp? I've been playing around with DS and FB and I'm not sold on mark. What's your guys thoughts?

[warm tundra]

i dont like change

[grave basin]

i think people are still figuring stuff out atm

there's no solid answer

for assa atleast

[proven kayak]

is this THE BUILD

[grave basin]

for outlaw fatebound is miles ahead

same for deathstalker for sub

[warm tundra]

how can you play without serrated bone spike

[dusky flower]

I second this comment

[grave basin]

corporate wants you to find a difference between this and what we've been playing all of DF

[halcyon timber]

Freakin Pam meme

[grave basin]

not picking first dance is kinda troll too

[warm tundra]

mage got too many fcuking teleports

about 7 too many

in no world heaven or hell should i use 3 movement abilities and get kited by the same teleport skill used the 4th time

[grave basin]

press grapple

[outer sky]

and if you do connect you get blast waved

[halcyon timber]

Hale yeh brover

[outer sky]

They should honestly put Blast Wave and Displacement on a choice node

[grave basin]

the node that lets you double grapple / step in the fatebound tree

is the best thing we got ngl

[halcyon timber]

Shit is sick af

[grave basin]

feels insane

[outer sky]

I prefer the other option

[grave basin]

whats the other option

[outer sky]

cant be slowed below 70%

[halcyon timber]

Cannot be slowed below x

Yeh

[grave basin]

perma?

[outer sky]

its while you have a coin flip streak. But I tested uptime on beta and it was over 70%

[halcyon timber]

Need 2 coins

[grave basin]

then that node in general

[halcyon timber]

But you have it up a lot

[grave basin]

more reason to play GAMBA

tails coin is also super overtuned to the tits so that helps

[halcyon timber]

XD

[outer sky]

it's really not. The fact that we cant control when the damage happens balances it

[dull bridge]

controlling the flips is the whole point of the tree isn't it

[outer sky]

perhaps but that control is pretty limited

like yeah theres some things you can do

[tawdry imp]

do I want evasion or cloak vs paladin?

[spring bough]

Both

Spell dmg and physical dmg class GG

[halcyon timber]

Yeah holy strike dmg is their whole thing now. Both cloak and evasion and feint are important.

[tawdry imp]

yeah I was worried that'd be the answer 😅

[halcyon timber]

Not prefeinting a hoj can be spooky

[sweet swallow]

anyone watching pshero right now

wondering what he could do to pump more deeps

I feel like when I play it's a sloppier version of this lol. kind of squishy, struggling to keep dps up, and tricky to close out kills

[spring bough]

What’s he up to lol

He was using ER yesterday and getting like 1.7 mil crits

He plays trickster sub too

[sweet swallow]

he's playing sin right now

trying to chase ziqo around the map 🤣

[spring bough]

Kinda pumped he’s playing tww seriously. Seems like he’s in it for the season

[sweet swallow]

he's running this

swap caustic for internal bleeding maybe?

[surreal barn]

Rookie numbers

[indigo hill]

Wil solo blitz count towards the mount this season?

[surreal barn]

No

Not allowed to have fun getting glad mounts

[indigo hill]

Meant the vicious ones. Like solo shuffle counts towards it.

[warm tundra]

is there a guide for the usual rotation type/priority spells for when you want to do ur big damage

like im doing bleeds>tea>deathmark>shiv and ive no clue if this is optimal or not

[spring bough]

Yes they do

Blitz will count towards the viscous too. But you need to be over 1k rating or so

[wet crown]

So for wpvp how do we feel about sub vs sin?

Probably gearing up my rogue once I rack up the honor on one of my guys.

Lotta 2v1s on my shard lol

[indigo hill]

Go outlaw.

[vocal surge]

Sub > Outlaw and Sin

[wet crown]

Outlaw? Really?

That's my favorite of the three so I'm interested now, lol

(also where do I get a net gun in tww? >_>)

[foggy void]

dont let it spread we'll get nerfed

[surreal barn]

To actually make it work you have to still play sub very well

[foggy void]

yeah but people just rush to forums with big numbers and then they give us like a flat damage nerf or something stupid lol

[surreal barn]

Forums are flooded with frost mage woes

Even after their nerf

[foggy void]

my hope is that rogue popularity is so low for some reason rn that they wont get nerfed

[surreal barn]

So true lol, it’s already next to the bottom

[foggy void]

i don't even think its op but rogue is always susceptible to nerfs cuz undergeared noobs hate getting killed in stuns in bgs

[surreal barn]

With that judgement armor I might level my paladin today

[jolly sierra]

i have the full set since cata tho

but the new one will be gold

so time to prepare matching shit

[spring bough]

Second this. Subs can kick my ass if I don’t play 10/10 perfection lol

Just ask Zeiss 😂

[safe pelican]

ER? 👀

https://tenor.com/view/richard-ayoade-it-crowd-popcord-go-on-watching-gif-7666781

[spring bough]

Echoing reprimand

[vocal surge]

Sub has to blunder their rotation if Outlaw wants to win

[safe pelican]

Of course that went over my head I hate ER but it’s hitting hard rn thinkin to make more ppl use it

[spring bough]

It can go past 2 Milly

But that’s like a one shot cheese build I think lol

[vocal surge]

Palumor finding this out