pvp

[foggy void]

for crafted

[potent pivot]

wdym

[foggy void]

i guess thats just embilshed

[proven kayak]

i didnt know that was for gem and sold one for 10k

like 3 days ago

[potent pivot]

that's fine

they're 7k rn

you can buy em for honor as well

[proven kayak]

yeah atleast I didnt get finessed

[outer sky]

isnt it 5 for every item?

[potent pivot]

lemme see

i'm assuming it's just the same price as conq gear

[outer sky]

ah yeah looks like it

[potent pivot]

5 for dagger, 4 for shoulders

[outer sky]

4 for head too

[potent pivot]

3 for bracers

[outer sky]

and chest

[potent pivot]

basically 875 conq for dagger 700 for main pieces

525 for off pieces

[outer sky]

5 for feet wtf

[potent pivot]

that's weird

if the stats are more equal than conq gear

like 500vers 500mast

instead of 1k vers 300 mast

[outer sky]

yeah

go for crafting

[potent pivot]

we're going to be crafting almost every slot or some shit

we don't need 30% vers in s1

we should be comfortable around 20%

if we didn't need so much honor for sockets i would craft a bunch of honor gear with the blue items

just to test different gear sets

[outer sky]

well i'm glad crafting is at least sped up

it was annoying farming conquest to buy conq gear only to then replace it with crafted gear when we got the sparks

[potent pivot]

well we still have conquest cap to deal with

but yeah

[outer sky]

still

once we get "all conquest gear"

we're fully geared

no more improvements

[potent pivot]

true

tier is also easy to get

only thing that kinda sucks is like

i'm going to want to rush tier for sub

which is basically going to force me to play assa tier set early on

not the worst thing in the world

[outer sky]

if we're crafting off the rip I probably wont even play tier

[potent pivot]

the only tier i'm 100% sure we play is sub

[plucky escarp]

Oh we don’t need the sparks for crafting PvP anymore?

[potent pivot]

nope

[plucky escarp]

Whoa

I wonder if it is so you can have pve for sparks?

[potent pivot]

ye exactly

[plucky escarp]

Did blizzard do something great?

Holy shit

[potent pivot]

[plucky escarp]

I bet the Warcraft forums are ablaze with positive reinforcement

[outer sky]

so what should we get with week 1 conq

what slots

[low moon]

dwarven women have had beards since the 50's, its not exactly a new thing lol

[potent pivot]

what is cap w1 again? 1600?

[torpid swan]

how do u open in stealth with premed and first dance?

[potent pivot]

check the iceyveins guide linked in the pins

sometimes you can ignore 1 or the other depending on the situation

[torpid swan]

ah thx!

[potent pivot]

yeah conq cap is 1600 w1 so you just craft either 2 main slots (chest, legs) or we get dps trinket for higher agi proc and 1 main piece

[foggy void]

don't we want 4 piece tier is that gonna work the same way as it did in dflight

where we convert a pvp piece

[potent pivot]

no and yes

the only spec that for sure wants 4 piece is sub

and yeah pretty sure we just convert a pvp piece

[warped gate]

I can't kill shit in the open world for the life of me, seems like everyone can just tank and heal up.

[outer sky]

seems like a lot of specs arent getting much value from their tier this season

[worthy crag]

wouldnt they require more than 1 heraldry?

[potent pivot]

ye we went over the costs earlier

dagger is 5, main pieces are 4, off pieces are 3 and for some reason boots are 5

[worthy crag]

wait if people can craft conq level weapon, whats the point of that week 3 quest that blizz blueposted

[rain crown]

@potent pivot so in theory I could my spark on pve gear then

[outer sky]

a freebee so you can get a 639 weapon so you can craft other shit I guess

[rain crown]

I think there is a dagger with a unique proc

[outer sky]

thatll be nerfed to shit in pvp 1000000000%

[rain crown]

Embellishments aren’t nerfed though so why would that

[worthy crag]

Id expect people to swap over to crafted daggers once they are fully conq equipped anyway, since they get to choose their stats

[rain crown]

Is actually have no idea what it does

[potent pivot]

because it's a pve item

[potent pivot]

because crafting is just a way to optimize

free weapon means you don't have to spend 1700 conq on weapons

also means it's not as unfair between different classes

like fury warrior requiring 2x 2h

[shy nebula]

I watching a sub rogue against Xaryu and he's rocking this build, can someone explain the reasoning behind their choices?

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/trickster/DAOEVVVBVQUVJkIRQCFAOVFQUEVEVFUEWhFBAEFVVUCEQ

[potent pivot]

it's a one shot meme build

[rain crown]

i think hes trying to get a fat goremaw with surpisng strikes and cold blood

[potent pivot]

and he's not even playing it properly

flag makes it even more of a meme

[shy nebula]

ok thanks xDD

[worthy crag]

its a dead giveaway that is a "wpvp" build when you see em take iron stomach over superior mixture

[outer sky]

theres a one shot meme build without ER?

[potent pivot]

that's why i said he's not even playing it properly

[worthy crag]

that looks like a bad mixture of generator + finisher build instead of focusing on just one

cold blood finisher wont do shit without thislte tea anyway

better to give it up for ER and ditch flag

[potent pivot]

the proper meme build runs ER and goremaw

no flag

[worthy crag]

also, trickster

[potent pivot]

trickster is correct

but with flag they should be playing deathstalker prolly

everyone playing these builds in wpvp is going to get us nerfed asap

[outer sky]

Farmed

[worthy crag]

yeah I can never imagine playing trickster in actual pvp

[humble spear]

Deathstalker vs Fatebound? Depends on situations?

[outer sky]

probably DS but theyre both fine. Could just be personal preference honestly

[nova viper]

@potent pivot trickster is shit?

[worthy crag]

for sub? most likely

[nova viper]

Sadge

[potent pivot]

it depends on build

for actual rated arena gameplay? yeah trickster is troll

you can't even utilize the capstone during a stun burst because it GCD locks you longer than a regular GCD

it's weird as fuck

if they fix that

it might be worth looking at

[crimson torrent]

does pvp gear work in duels ?

[wintry dew]

yes

[candid tide]

Need duels cd reset

Ima be duel hero fs

[jolly sierra]

i was checking fatebound and seems less ability dependeant compared to deathstalker

maybe can be viable too

[potent pivot]

depends on what you call viable

[candid tide]

Deathstalker is also not really that dependent on abilities

[jolly sierra]

the problem is ambush

fatebound has passive dmg

[potent pivot]

pressing ambush

is not a problem

[candid tide]

: D

[jolly sierra]

yeah and what if u wanna reset later?

[potent pivot]

you press it during a subterfuge

[jolly sierra]

then?

[potent pivot]

then what

[jolly sierra]

then what later when u switch target

[potent pivot]

you press it

during a subterfuge

[jolly sierra]

how if u are out stealth

[potent pivot]

you don't have to swap it in the first place

but if you really want to

you press ambush

during your next sutberfuge window

[wintry dew]

Consume marks, have buff for 30 sec, choose target, blow him up

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

we will see for s1 start tho

but tbh the passive dmg fits better imo

unless they buff DS ambush for blindside

[potent pivot]

deathstalker has more passive dmg

the mark barely even matters

deathstalker buffs your bleeds and other shit

like you're stressing swapping the mark

when you don't even need to swap it

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

this just does dmg

period

without having anything to do with the mark

like this tree is just kinda insane for assa

the 20% walls on evasion and cloak

the step CDR

it's all really strong

[jolly sierra]

well maybe could work

im using DS now anyways

[potent pivot]

i think you won't worry very much about swapping the mark

unless you're in voice and your team decides to full swap kill target

in shuffle/blitz it will barely matter

this in blitz is insane

[jolly sierra]

in blitz im using toys

XD

[potent pivot]

i've almost finished everything for the week on the DK

don't think i'm even going to bother doing all that pve stuff on rogue

[gilded gulch]

nessper not playing kb

is interesting

[jolly sierra]

ye ppl is starting to drop it rn

hits like crap at 80

[safe pelican]

So much more fun doing wpvp/pve on DK

[potent pivot]

basically no one is playing kb

[safe pelican]

( really just any class with a decent ranged ability kit )

[potent pivot]

yeah i just don't want to pve on rogue because the hero trees all seem cringe in pve

[gilded gulch]

oh, checks out

CT/flying daggers likely depends on matchup.

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[safe pelican]

All those assass buffs to make up for taking away shadow dance 🙂‍↕️

F off blizz just give me back dance on assas you can’t fool me you scoundrels

[gilded gulch]

Is there any value if not 3+ targets?

[potent pivot]

yes

you use both on 2+

like you might be able to use KB in 2s

but i don't think it has any place in 3s in it's current state

[gilded gulch]

both ct and fok?

[fallen scaffold]

yes

[gilded gulch]

interesting, conventionally ct was only known to do enough to be worth at 3+

[potent pivot]

imo it's even worth it to press CT on 1 target

[fallen scaffold]

^

[potent pivot]

more dots just stack up more damage from Lethal Dose

[safe pelican]

Lmao I’m pressing CT on anybody after garrote and rupture are up let it flyyyyyyyy

More dots = More dam 😎

[fallen scaffold]

bigger dm

[lime oar]

And ez sudden demise

[potent pivot]

tf is this

it's 8k on the AH

[fallen scaffold]

ye idk i sold mien aerlier

[gilded gulch]

i got 800k for jc recipe off the theater world event

[potent pivot]

god damn

my best recipe so far was 150k

[gilded gulch]

yeah i sold a crafted green plate chest recipe for 50k

got from war crate

[misty rover]

assa rogue

bugged asf in bgs right?

i put 1 bleed in and ill never go bcak to stealth

in that bg

[potent pivot]

i think it's happening to all dot specs

not just assa

but yeah

[potent pivot]

it's only while that bleed is ticking though

should be able to restealth once the combat drops

[stoic spruce]

You cant

It's been an issue since forever

[misty rover]

it take off the stealth

[halcyon timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=221758/profaned-tinderbox#reagent-for Enchants and all sorts of stuff that is useful

[misty rover]

what a shitty stuff

lol

[potent pivot]

i have

[stoic spruce]

Keeps dk in combat too

[potent pivot]

multiple times

[stoic spruce]

Receipts

[potent pivot]

???

[stoic spruce]

Lots of people here cant

And you're the only one who can

Rather sus tbh

[potent pivot]

where are these lots of people

i see 2 people saying it

[stoic spruce]

3

And there were more before

[potent pivot]

i'm always able to stealth once the bleed falls off

and combat drops

even on my DK i can mount once that happens

[stoic spruce]

Pause

[gilded gulch]

I’ve been able
to restealth

[stoic spruce]

"Once the bleed drops"

[gilded gulch]

Are you undead?

[potent pivot]

yes thats what i said before

[stoic spruce]

If you die with bleeds up and respawn with those bleeds up, you can't restealth

[potent pivot]

i can

once the bleed falls off

is what i said

apologize

[stoic spruce]

No

Because

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-going-to-apologize-to-me-eric-cartman-south-park-dikinbaus-hot-dogs-south-park-s26-e5-s26-e5-gif-11084679188530114422

[stoic spruce]

Nuh uh

It's a bug and should be fixed

Mhm

[misty rover]

they cant fix the action house

ofc wont fix a stealth

[stoic spruce]

They can fix the ah

That's where the wow token resides

[gilded gulch]

Ah works

its just the greens you try to buy

are no longer there

[crimson torrent]

Can you send ur raider io?

[potent pivot]

For what lol

[crimson torrent]

Wanted to see ur gear

[potent pivot]

My gear is full honor gear

Just buy every mastery slot you can

Then haste and crit for slots you can’t get mastery pieces

[stoic spruce]

Lying again

[potent pivot]

Tf?

[stoic spruce]

I bet yall didn't know this either

His name isn't no trickz, it's not rickz.

That's how it's pronounced

[waxen meteor]

Guys, is there some change on meld lately or soon?

[potent pivot]

You’re on thin ice popo

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/john-barrowman-skate-skating-skates-ice-gif-18727685

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so? Why

[jolly sierra]

he is picking the poison care

[waxen meteor]

Remember seeing somewhere, planning to swap soon if no nerf on meld

[unique bronze]

can someone give me a good outlaw pvp content creator? if there is one?

also, what outlaw pvp talents are good? is the 10% damage after being stunned one any good? or is the autocasted slice and dice good? I feel like having to spend combo points / global on SnD is kinda annoying

[potent pivot]

i haven't heard anything about them nerfing it

[potent pivot]

there really isn't one. some of the rogues will randomly try outlaw out, but the only one i'd trust the word of is Trill and he isn't really pvping right now i think

for pvp talents you just want to play disarm vs melee/mm hunter

enduring brawler is basically a lock in

bomb is decent

take your cut is really good rn

control is king and the dmg out of stuns are both kinda w/e

i wouldn't really recommend either atm

[gusty gust]

is there any decent guide for sub pvp?

can't find anything that's recently updated

[potent pivot]

just the stuff on iceyveins

can get to it through the last pinned comment of this channel

[gusty gust]

ty

also, i'm feeling quite useless in bgs rn with that build

i guess that's more of an arena build/playstyle

[potent pivot]

the build in the pins? it's an all around build

sub isn't really a team fight spec

it picks people off and sits/caps bases

[safe pelican]

Season 1 start this week or next week ?

[potent pivot]

september 10th

[safe pelican]

Ty thought it was tomorrow, i was like why is nobody hype i have to have the wrong date 😂

[potent pivot]

yeah i think everyone's getting bored already

this is the longest prepatch+preseason ever i think

[autumn garden]

do i ever rupture in pvp?

[safe pelican]

Yea the poors are winning , we got played with early access GGs to the poors well played

[potent pivot]

yes, a lot

[autumn garden]

any resources for new pvpers

[safe pelican]

As sub , you will usually use rupture outside of your shadow blades/shadow dance windows to help you keep dps up while energy starved or use it prevent enemy restealths but yes short answer

[potent pivot]

with the current build you can even rupture first global of dance

if your KT doesn't have rupture on them

[autumn garden]

pinned build?

[potent pivot]

ye

[potent pivot]

there's a link to iceyvein's pvp guides at the bottom of the pins

[autumn garden]

what class feels the best rm

rn*

[potent pivot]

you mean spec? all 3 are good

[autumn garden]

spec*

[safe pelican]

First global ?! I’m assuming we’re not cheap shotting , but rupture as the first global sounds mad

[potent pivot]

yeah like if you kidney->dance->rupture

with cp from First Dance

i've even seen some rupture in cheap

you just want the dot ricking and the Macabre stack

with how hard evis is hitting from Macabre stacks and Deathstalker's Mark

you want to beef up your Evis at all costs

kidney->dance->rupture->sepsis->tech->strike->evis->strike->evis

insert cheap shots as needed^

[autumn garden]

whre do you get your cp for the first kidney?

[potent pivot]

you just open with subterfuge

and do some piss dmg or something

you don't always have to open with a cheap shot spam go

[safe pelican]

I’ll try that out in a few skirms that’s interesting , coup is hitting hard though why is trickster getting the read headed step child treatment

[potent pivot]

because coup gcd locks you

[stoic spruce]

You miss kicks

[potent pivot]

it can literally cause you to gap your stun if you do it last global of a stun

it's fucking

[safe pelican]

Oh wowwww did not know that

[potent pivot]

terrible

[safe pelican]

Hopefully they fix that has to be a glitch

[potent pivot]

like it's still viable but you have to be good enough to keep that in mind

[stoic spruce]

It's a feature

[potent pivot]

most of the time i saw nahj send his Coup outside of his goes

[safe pelican]

Rather not miss kicks once i miss one kick im switching

[potent pivot]

like he wouldn't try to stack up to a Coup to send in his goes

if he got one he got one, if not, not

Deathstalker is just so much better to play around

i can evis for 2m

when i consume Darkest Night in my go

[surreal barn]

Coupe hits hard but like, seems so out of place

And even then still not as hard as ds

[potent pivot]

the thing i like most is that it's sort of a gap closer like DfA

but it's just

worse

[surreal barn]

Is it really

Haven’t even noticed

[potent pivot]

it doesn't immune cc either as far as i've been able to tell

but yeah it's a gap closer

[surreal barn]

lol

[potent pivot]

pretty short range but yeah

[potent pivot]

25y range

[surreal barn]

Interesting mechanic

[potent pivot]

it says "no path available"

a lot

[surreal barn]

Yeah on the dummy I just tried the same

[potent pivot]

yeah

i also have a sneaking suspicion

[wise breach]

Finally got my rogue to 80 and starting to gear

[potent pivot]

if you turn around and run from your target mid cast of Coup it will stop applying damage

[wise breach]

What the hell is breaking stealth all the goddamn time

Is it the plague rupture tick

[potent pivot]

because i got an error message when i did just that

[wise breach]

Because if so I quit

[potent pivot]

a bunch of other classes shit

[surreal barn]

Coupe de grace prob kills the fuck out you if you press it during thorns

Whoops, dead

They need to make it so you can use it when you want - the current iteration seems kinda dumb

[potent pivot]

idk

imo they just need to fix the gcd shit

[surreal barn]

I can see why they did it, kinda like a mini killing spree

Just make it one smack

[potent pivot]

yeah, let's design more shit similar to the worst designed ability in the game

great ass idea boys

at least Coup doesn't movement lock your character

killing spree should be like blade dance

[surreal barn]

I could see that

[potent pivot]

it would make me happy enough with outlaw to forget about losing acro tbh

shit it's the last night for comp stomp isn't it

fuck

[surreal barn]

Yup

[unique bronze]

so where do you fit in the SnD on the rotation when you open on someone?

[potent pivot]

as outlaw you can just press it whenever basically, just not in a Subterfuge window

like

most outlaw rogues will press Adrenaline Rush right after leaving the arena gates

[waxen meteor]

have the background twitch playing for the drop on pikaboo's streaming

[potent pivot]

because while you are Stealthed, you don't lose any duration of Adrenaline Rush

[waxen meteor]

this dude just doing fan - ct - fan - ct for 2 hours against bot

[potent pivot]

and Adrenline Rush gives you full combo points

so you can use those combo points for Slice, if you aren't planning on Kidneying someone in the opener

basically as soon as you leave the arena gates, while Stealthed, you Adrenaline Rush->Slice->Roll the Bones

Slice is reapplied every time you Dispatch thanks to our passive

so you usually only need to press Slice like once a game

if it falls off, just reapply it

[potent pivot]

yep

i gotta get grinding those bots too

need a massive amount of honor still

[steep kiln]

11 hours left. better get on it

[waxen meteor]

we might end up bot fight again next week?

this week wasn't bot fight at beginning, but it was bugged, and swapped to bot fight

[potent pivot]

highly doubt it

already had it 2x

[waxen meteor]

probably before season starts will be bots forever

remember this week started as sth else

swapped to bot

[potent pivot]

because that something else was bugged or scaling was fucked

i'm pretty positive we get something different tmrw

[stoic spruce]

Imma be real

I got hella more honor farming ebgs

Queue times were 4 minutes max and I got 700+ from losing

[potent pivot]

they just take forever to do

if you consistently 5cap comp stomps the q is 1 minute and the games are like 5 minutes

[stoic spruce]

Sure but the honor you gain still makes up for doing epics than comp stomp

Esp if you win

Queue as horde for that juicy honor boost

And spam ebgs

[unique bronze]

thanks

[stoic spruce]

Yw

[potent pivot]

idk if i agree ngl

[stoic spruce]

Try it yourself

[potent pivot]

i can do like 3 comps in the time it takes to do epics

at least

[potent pivot]

i have

i did the ebg quest on all my characters

[stoic spruce]

Yes but you'll make more in an epic than 3 comps

[potent pivot]

if u win

[stoic spruce]

Losing

[potent pivot]

no

[stoic spruce]

You get around 300 from winning comp

[potent pivot]

3 comps is more than an ebg loss

[stoic spruce]

You get 7-800 losing an ebg

[outer sky]

omg can they just delete Ashran from the game

[stoic spruce]

Nooooo

That's my money maker

Money being honor

[outer sky]

its so miserable as melee dps

[stoic spruce]

Just Queue as blood and live lord

The only way melee survives

Is tank with 3 billion health

[waxen meteor]

yeah but it's extremely boring there

especially when you are slow cooked

[stoic spruce]

Nah just sneak around and pick off stragglers

[sick wasp]

Mage bis class for pvp.frostfire is bonkers

too bad frost is getting nerfed 😦

[fallen scaffold]

thats my next lvl 80/main alt, havent played mage since classic doe

frost got more nerfs than 17% ice lance?>

[steep kiln]

think being too op pre season is a soft death sentence basically as far back as i can remember. since it's mage i'm sure they'll be ok though

[sick wasp]

yeah its only because u pressed frozen orb and threw some 800k icelances and instant frostfire bolts and glacial spikes killing 4 ppl and their healers

idk whats the problem

oh and it doesnt matter if u are fire or not,u press frostfire volt and u cast randomly meteors and flamestrikes

very balanced

also when u press fireblast u apply living bombs

idk man,the epitomy of balance

[potent pivot]

well flamestrikes do like 10 damage rn so

[sick wasp]

yup true true

[potent pivot]

shouldn't be too much of an issue ig

i'm very surprised they're leaving fire in the state it's in

[sick wasp]

this is very real though

they should nerf mage as a whole tbh

even if its garbage nerf it some more

disgusting class that has everything

[potent pivot]

They should just remove DB and sheep at this point

[sick wasp]

i think having combined this much cc on top of utlity and dmg is absurd,there is no balance in this class man

[potent pivot]

The only thing mages fucking need now is blink, roots and slows

[sick wasp]

sincerely

[indigo hill]

Frost has way to much mobility and cc imo.

[potent pivot]

I believe we are all of that opinion

[sick wasp]

frost can blow everyone up in like 3-4 globals

warriors,dks,healers

doesnt matter

[halcyon timber]

Polymorph is cosmetic

They just do it to do it

[sick wasp]

wdym bruh more vers

[halcyon timber]

XD

[sick wasp]

mages dont ever AT

this class

can manipulate time

[potent pivot]

Good mages do

[halcyon timber]

Weird moonkin was redistributed to starsurge when they already are popping mfs for 2.2m on it with some of their hobo sorcery

[sick wasp]

i think that i can rarely die,and thats when i get my at dispelled or something

[potent pivot]

It’s honestly fucking bonkers watching a good mage vs an average mage

The difference is fucking astounding

[sick wasp]

yeah the ceiling is too high

[indigo hill]

Plus they can go invisible.

[sick wasp]

they can mass invis as well

coz mage

[potent pivot]

Don’t they just use that as a defensive wall

[indigo hill]

They do or at the start like hunters camo.

[halcyon timber]

Gravity lapse too

[potent pivot]

A lot of the higher cr mages I’ve run into don’t do it at the start

[fallen scaffold]

bro

[sick wasp]

yes my man

[indigo hill]

I usually stop at 2.1. 😁 some classes at 1.8 cause I just want the elite set.

[potent pivot]

I feel ya

[outer sky]

this season is my gladiator

I can feel it

[potent pivot]

Inflation is going to be really high this season too

[outer sky]

perfect

[sick wasp]

[potent pivot]

So the best time to try for a push

[outer sky]

too bad the mount is so terrible

[sick wasp]

ive got all the mounts bruh and im using kyparium

[fallen scaffold]

assasin/aff bouta be busted again?

[sick wasp]

coz its insane with dragonriding

[potent pivot]

Pretty much everyone I used to push with in SL and DF have quit

So I’m gonna have to find new team mates all over again

[fallen scaffold]

tru

[sick wasp]

this season from what im getting is kinda gonna be like DF

[potent pivot]

[sick wasp]

version 2.0

[fallen scaffold]

doesnt feel v diff lol

[sick wasp]

well DKs and Monks will make it more of a meme

[steep kiln]

I try and bribe the pve homies to play with me but now they don't have a reason to at all

[sick wasp]

but will be fun

[outer sky]

assa/affi is going to be even more broken this season than last season if affi keeps dodging nerfs

[fallen scaffold]

im sayin

[sick wasp]

insane pressure

[fallen scaffold]

is pres just so far ahead its not even close?

i rather have a disc tbh

[outer sky]

disc is somewhat close

[fallen scaffold]

or sokme kind of priest

sweet

[sick wasp]

shaman

for the buff

[fallen scaffold]

tbh i hate playing wi th shamans on my rogue

[sick wasp]

or druid for a baetter buff

ur lock coils,druid clones u blind

isolate with a bomb

ggwp

[fallen scaffold]

🤣

ye

[sick wasp]

still believe that rmp is gonna be crazy

[fallen scaffold]

hell ya im down for that

[sick wasp]

or RM basicly

how do u even kill them

sub rogue and a mage

[fallen scaffold]

I gotta fr learn sub this xpac

hope its not dog like last season

[sick wasp]

sub is insane

[fallen scaffold]

ye hopefilly stays consistent

[potent pivot]

yeah if it doesn't get nerfed it'll be really good

[sick wasp]

plz no

let the sub dream be

[potent pivot]

ppl playing the meme builds in BGs

are likely going to get it nerfed lmao

[sick wasp]

ok ill stop cheesing ppl

[fallen scaffold]

ya i feel like the balance around blitz is gunna make this xpac a shitshow lmao

[indigo hill]

You guys running cheat death or elusive on outlaw?

[sick wasp]

elusiveness

but ild re-evaluate outlaw tbh,there is no reason to play somehting that bad when there is sin and sub

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Don't play outlaw

[jolly sierra]

a dh was flaming me today

[fallen scaffold]

whats new

[stoic spruce]

Best let me carry the outlaw burden

[jolly sierra]

and told him lo learn to use darkness and glad he left the skirmish so i dont q w him with such shitty xp rating

(had 1k6 max)

he was mad at me cuz i waited till the end to join the fight when was a rog outside

guy used it at like 10% HP

[stoic spruce]

We love hating DH

It's what brings us together

[jolly sierra]

agree

i had DMs windowed so i dont read anything from his shit

i just noticed it started dinging like 5 times

and just put "close window"

[potent pivot]

cheats a 100% lock in

[outer sky]

bro wtf are frost mage roots

they dont break

I just sat a full ray of frost while rooted by a single frost nova

wtf happened to non-stuns breaking on damage

[halcyon timber]

Partly that is why we are rooted often too

[jolly sierra]

who tf was the fkn genius who thought would be a good idea for pvp balance?

[stoic spruce]

You think they considered pvp when they gave dk freedom?

[jolly sierra]

idk

roots sounds a lot like a pvp thing

[stoic spruce]

They're big for kiting in pve

For when that same mage pulls ahead of the tank

[jolly sierra]

do u need that much effectiveness?

[stoic spruce]

Need? Probably not but it's nice

[jolly sierra]

fuck

[stoic spruce]

Is there anything mage doesn't have?

[jolly sierra]

yea

balls

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoo

Off heals, rez, and ms

That's all I can think of

[potent pivot]

the true chad rogue

[sick wasp]

[sick wasp]

thats balanced wdym bruh

[potent pivot]

someone put down one of those things you walk over to change race, idk what they're called

[halcyon timber]

Gravity lapse darth vader lifting you and not breaking is nasty too

[sick wasp]

ah the engineer transmoph thingy,got it as well

[halcyon timber]

Was a stun but was changed to a lifted root during beta i think

[worthy crag]

whats spark of war used for

[potent pivot]

how do i get one

[sick wasp]

there is nothing funnier than warriors charging u spaming buttons and u just press ur channeling stun and then combo him

[potent pivot]

i need one now

[sick wasp]

i think u hav eto lvl up dragonisle engi,else u can buy it from the AH

hold on

[potent pivot]

whats that

oh

prolly just for pve gear is its a spark

spark of omens is 584-597 ilvl

war is prolly just a different ilvl range

[sick wasp]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=198173/atomic-recalibrator

[jolly sierra]

from AH

have one too

[marsh phoenix]

any good youtuber's pvp guide for rogue? pref assa but any spec

[potent pivot]

12hr cooldown

holy

[sick wasp]

shadenox

[potent pivot]

nothing updated as far as i know

[orchid plinth]

Fun? No allow.

[marsh phoenix]

already checked he doesnt have war within assa guide

[potent pivot]

it will be very similar

to DF

[worthy crag]

The spark of war: hallowfall quest

from the pvp npc

[sick wasp]

our boy is slow but season isnt out yet,cant rly create content when there isnt any

[worthy crag]

awrds 100 sparks of war

but no idea what its used to purchase

[potent pivot]

oh that's just a weekly sparks quest

as always

you don't use it for purchasing anything

you have to go get the sparks

to complete the quest

[marsh phoenix]

not awarded, you collect 100 sparks to turn quest

[worthy crag]

oh

right

oh just 500 honor and seom rep lol, nvm

[potent pivot]

i think it'll give wpvp tokens later on

[marsh phoenix]

which one better assa or sub atm arena/bg

[potent pivot]

but 500 honor from doing pvp WQs is ok

u just kill ppl in the pvp WQs and u get the quest done at the same time

[potent pivot]

all rogues specs are good

play the one you like/are more comfortable on

[marsh phoenix]

i really like assa but so sad no guides atm

[potent pivot]

there are guides

[marsh phoenix]

could u point youtube channel or link?

[potent pivot]

assa is very similar to how it was in DF

[grave basin]

WHY DO I KEEP GETTING SLOWED

THROUGH CLOAK

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[potent pivot]

just watch shadenox DF guide

or look at his iceyveins guide

[marsh phoenix]

maybe new physical slow came in the war within 😄

[marsh phoenix]

nice his the one who did the icy vein. thanks bro

[grave basin]

im losing my mind lol

[potent pivot]

DK's slow inside of their DnD

is insaaane

[sick wasp]

u mean the dk slows yeah

thats a thing

[potent pivot]

that's prolly one of the worst slows in the game

if you tried to run through their entire DnD you'd be stuck inside it for it's entire duration

[grave basin]

holy shit i look sexo

[potent pivot]

another panda

[grave basin]

panda melee animations are unironically top notch

[sick wasp]

beer belly

swag

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grave basin]

the druid set from remix goes hard too

[fallen scaffold]

o ya it does

[wanton breach]

bet he disarms mages as well

[potent pivot]

[fallen scaffold]

so as long i as i beat campagin with 1 char, i have bonus xp on all alts? like not just adventure mode, but bonus xp too
?

[jolly sierra]

disarming mages is an art u know

[stoic spruce]

Crackshot is dead

All hail kir gsw

[potent pivot]

what

yes

+5% exp for every level 80

[fallen scaffold]

rad

[potent pivot]

don't think campaign has anything to do with that

but you do need to finish the leveling campaign

[fallen scaffold]

ah

[potent pivot]

for WQs and adventure mode

then there's level 80 campaign

which i don't think unlocks anything as far as i know

[indigo hill]

Is there a max to the amount of xp?

[potent pivot]

yes

25%

if you level 5 level 80s, all your next characters get +25% exp

[indigo hill]

Cool. I will probably level a few more. Only have 2 at 80 now.

[wanton breach]

you need it if you want to play earthen afaik

[indigo hill]

Do people actually want that? Is any excited about it?

[fallen scaffold]

meh

just gunna unlock to have

[jolly sierra]

they dont cleanses anything anymore

[indigo hill]

Haven't seen a single positive thing about them.

[potent pivot]

you mean the earthen specifically right

[jolly sierra]

if u wanted to be a dwarf but are horde in heart

then is ur chance

[jolly sierra]

ye

i was talking about dwarves and their cleansing skills

seems like they have way too much dirt to do something

[indigo hill]

According to some YouTube vide only dad's over 30 play dwarf. Which I am but I don't play dwarf.

[potent pivot]

yeah i just meant end game content wise pretty much, ofc there's certain things like transmogs, earthen, achievements etc

[jolly sierra]

and trolls are played by stoners

ye i know that

[indigo hill]

I'll make one cause the completionist in me needs it.

[jolly sierra]

pick one

[wanton breach]

probably not

[jolly sierra]

and dress him like a barbie

with horde xmogs

[fallen scaffold]

just put a cooking recipe on ah for 175k letsssssssssssss go

[jolly sierra]

gl

[fallen scaffold]

undercut 5k well b good

[wanton breach]

if its the feast recipe it will sell

[fallen scaffold]

yup it twas

had 2 other 28k recipes too, best part about begginning of xpac bby

$$$$$$$$

[potent pivot]

yeah i think i've made at least 300k

without even trying

[grave basin]

no cap whats the go to build now

im gearing my rog as outlaw

[potent pivot]

the build in the pins is good

i think you can swap crackshot for dispatch talent

still testing that tho

also been testing out cold blood + inevitability

seems pretty good for forcing flips

[grave basin]

bruh you telling me i just got all this crit for nothing

[jolly sierra]

if u can make it work then its fine lol

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

probably

lmao

[worthy crag]

holy fk female night elf is ugly

how does anyone play this

[jolly sierra]

flips and coom

[potent pivot]

done lost your mind

the only thing cooler than nelf front flips

is undead back flips

[grave basin]

15% haste imo to make up for the AR nerf

Which isn't hard to get at all

[potent pivot]

yeh

subterfuge gives you another 10%

[grave basin]

But do we play crackehot

[potent pivot]

most likely yeah

[grave basin]

Ok

[worldly girder]

are there any places where i can see up to date sub rogue openers/stun rotations?

[potent pivot]

you can get to iceyvein's pvp guides through the link in the pins

[worldly girder]

ohhh ty ty

i didnt realize IV was a good pvp source

[worthy crag]

I wouldnt count on it but it'd be a good place to get started

openers and stun rotations are very situational and you have to learn for yourself with hundreds of rounds of pvp

[worldly girder]

ya true, it'll be good to get a feel of things and then play around from there

[worthy crag]

are they orc, non-orc, does your target already have DSM rolling, are you going from subterfuge to dance, or straight to dance (meaning you get only 1 premeditation)

and then more advanecd stuff like lining finality eviscerate with darkest night, lining up a sec tech before your setup to utilize your 4set

[loud kettle]

you guys going vers>mast>crit ? for sub

[severe helm]

So uh has anyone noticed youc an use grapple and crimson vial while hexed?

[potent pivot]

the rogue guides on iceyveins are written by a multi r1 iirc

[severe helm]

thats new

[potent pivot]

they're written by Shadenox

so they're pretty decent

[worthy crag]

mast vers

[severe helm]

it isnt usually

it all depends whos writing

the same is true even for pve

[worldly girder]

okay dope i got a good look at them, ill practice these on a dummy between queues

i havent playen rogue since DF s1

[potent pivot]

for now yes, buy crit pieces wherever you can't get mastery pieces

[worthy crag]

Wouldnt be surprised if endgame gearing for sub is full crafted because vendor sourced gears give more vers than mast

[worldly girder]

every other season they do a huge overhaul on the class it seems lol

[potent pivot]

going to lose vers with tier set anyway

so i don't think it will be FULL crafted

but yeah

[severe helm]

thats how it was in DF

you worse almost all crafted pieces cuz they were 50/50

[worthy crag]

yeah, at least pvp crafted gears dont require sparks this time around

[potent pivot]

ye but the tier is actually good this season

[severe helm]

oh whaaaat?

thats op

[worthy crag]

yeah, it's just conquest gated

[severe helm]

amazing

thats right

[worthy crag]

and some gold for crafting fees ofc

[severe helm]

well what if you want a non pvp embelishment though

youre just saying for non embelished crafted gear

thats still sick

[potent pivot]

even the embellished pvp gear

no pvp gear costs sparks now

[worthy crag]

there's like a specific set dedicated for pvp, instead of there being a "pvp embellishment"

and they take conquest sourced reagents

not sparks

[severe helm]

I see

[worthy crag]

blizz has been pretty smart

[loud kettle]

Oh, but a guy said mastery>vers instead vers>mastery. So which one I should go with

[potent pivot]

the order doesn't matter for honor gear

you just buy every mastery piece you can

then you buy crit pieces for slots you can't get mastery

later on when the season starts and we can start crafting gear every week, we'll only use vers/mast

[jolly sierra]

tbh mysticall guides at least for me are pretty meh

way too generic because wrote a lot of them in pvp actually

would rather prefer a main than a guy w a lot of alts writing them all

[worthy crag]

part of the point of the guides on those sites is to be generic

doesn't really matter who writes it to a degree because of that, like some sick blizzcon winner could write a guide with insane tips and pointers and most players wouldnt even comprehend it

so they gotat stick to starter ideas

[jolly sierra]

so are they good as a start rather than as a complement u say?

[worthy crag]

Tbh I never read so I couldnt say but generally guides are to give a helping hand on starters

[potent pivot]

i feel like written guides are good when you are super new to the class/spec

then after you practice a little, video guides if they exist

[worthy crag]

like I wouldnt expect these guides to teach how to weave first dance and premeditation as to not overcap combo points

[potent pivot]

at least that's what works for me

when i learn a new class

[worthy crag]

or the idea of "gcd economy"

[jolly sierra]

the one which wrote most of guides was mysticall

[potent pivot]

yeah pvp rotations are just so situational

[jolly sierra]

at least is not at noxxic level of learning

fuck that site

[potent pivot]

depending on talents, what abilities are on CD, etc

[worthy crag]

is noxxic still running?

[jolly sierra]

dunno

[worthy crag]

didnt ion throw shades at them like in wod or something

[potent pivot]

the amount of ppl that ask for sub openers is insanity

[jolly sierra]

wod was a time where noxxic was active

[worthy crag]

lucky for them, sub opener is actually pretty simple now

[jolly sierra]

dunno now

lets see

[potent pivot]

learning an opener ain't gonna help you finish a match when you get countered

[worthy crag]

the biggest prio is just get dsm applied and running

[jolly sierra]

OW CMON

[worthy crag]

At lesat it prevents the degenerate mindset on mediocre sub players that they will pop trinket blades and double dance in opener

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[worthy crag]

Maybe they turned over a new leaf, who knows

Really means something when a game dev throws shade at a particular guide site

I think it might have been holinka, idk

[jolly sierra]

let see

any of u have current pve knowledge bout talents?

[worthy crag]

apparently sub takes trickster and no vigor/thistle tea

looks boring as fk

[jolly sierra]

assa stat prio

[potent pivot]

PvE

[jolly sierra]

outlaw stat prio

ye pve

[potent pivot]

oh you were asking about pve

[jolly sierra]

tell me if is right

ofc im asking bout pve trickz

lol

[potent pivot]

well it says haste reduces GCD

which isn't true for rogues

but that looks like a general explanation

[jolly sierra]

well

then

fuck noxxic

[potent pivot]

nope

dropping vigor/tea is troll as fuck

some people are just playing meme builds with trickster

[worthy crag]

shrug, thats whats simming highest

Im talking about a raid build

[potent pivot]

oh you're also talking about fucking

pve

[jolly sierra]

https://www.noxxic.com/

anyways

check by urselves

[potent pivot]

i'm good on that one

[jolly sierra]

LOL

[fallen scaffold]

so for alts is fastest way to immediately just start spamming dungeons? dont need to like, get to a certain point in campaign or anything cause its already beat etc

[potent pivot]

as far as i'm aware yeah

no special tech has been found

[jolly sierra]

anyways do any of u have a killing blow WA? i wanna add a sound when i kill someone

[fallen scaffold]

i use dG killshot addon

cs sounds + sprees and auto macros me to blow a kiss on ppl i kb

[jolly sierra]

oh, just need the sound to make it editable

[fallen scaffold]

it can do that

prob easdier to just make wa

[jolly sierra]

spanish korkron "die" is way too strong to be left behind

will go for it tho

tomorrow, ty

[worldly girder]

wtf im looking through the trickster talents and these seem wild

how does cloud cover work in pvp?

[potent pivot]

The distract talent?

[worldly girder]

also, does faze stop DbtS from working?

ya

[potent pivot]

It just looks like a bigger smoke bomb

And attacks you do while inside it apply Fazed

[worldly girder]

does it actually provide LOS like real smoke bomb?

[potent pivot]

No

[worldly girder]

ohhhh

does faze stop warrior parry from working too? and turbo fists

[potent pivot]

Faze is supposed to stop the target from being able to dodge you

But I’ve already heard that it doesn’t always work properly

[worldly girder]

tooltip says only parry

[potent pivot]

Ye

I’ve just heard that it isn’t working properly

Haven’t seen it happen myself yet

[worldly girder]

ahhh kk

wtf does this nimble fury thing cause the cleave shadowstrike to generate extra combo points too?

can prolly get a full bar against melee cleaves

this is gonna be interesting to play with in pvp lol

[potent pivot]

Yeh the capstone just gcd locks you and functions really oddly

Deathstalker is the overall better tree

Better defensives/utility and damage

[worldly girder]

ooo ya the cloak and step talents seem interesting

[humble spear]

What does current opener for assa look like?

ty 🙂

[potent pivot]

check the iceyveins pvp guide, link is at the bottom of the pins in this channel

[humble spear]

ty

[potent pivot]

yeah and Darkest Night evis hits harder than Coup de Grace

[humble spear]

@potent pivot do I include an Ambush to apply death mark after the opener in the icy veins guide?

cheap shot, garrote, shiv, rupture and finally ambush?

[worldly girder]

does momentum of despair also increase damage for eviscerate?

or only the AOE abilities

[azure rapids]

It`s always great when all specs are good 😄 and you can just play what you like the most !

[sick wasp]

momentum tooltip says exactly what it buffs fam

[heady swift]

Spark of war is the quest thing. Which will give us bloody tokens (not 100% if they are keeping the name "bloody tokens") etc when season drops for the War Mode pvp gear. (blue version)

Won't give bloody tokens until the season starts tho

[topaz bobcat]

hello my fellow rogues

[marsh wadi]

undercover hunter

[topaz bobcat]

how did u know

[keen fern]

is it just 1 pvp wq today? or am i blind

nvm azj-kahet didnt show until i went there :d

[snow mesa]

holy brightness

i just got flashbanged

wtf

[cyan mural]

whats the stat priority for sin?

1. Agility;
2. Versatility;
3. Mastery;
4. Haste;
5. Critical Strike.

this correct?

[wintry dew]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[cyan mural]

ty

[wintry dew]

[whole void]

Is there a patch downtime atm ?

[spring bough]

We getting any goodies on reset today or nah

Just wait another week till season lol

[vocal surge]

Lotta changes to other classes

[spring bough]

So we can slap harder today got it

So maybe we shouldn’t play till season start 😂

[safe pelican]

When is update over ?? Anybody know

We need this information before moving further today 🤣

I’m looking but I can’t find anything, seems like a whenever we’re done we’re done update.

[grave basin]

no1 knows

theres no blizzard update

[safe pelican]

1 hour from what i could dig up but that isn’t confirmed by any reputable source.

[spring bough]

It’s Tuesday it’s always a server down and reset day lol

[grave basin]

@spring bough are you really playing outlaw trickster in pvp?

[spring bough]

I am. On paper yall might think hell nah but in practice? It is equal if not better in my eyes

The no parry is great

Damage on all abilities just seems to be up because of the 5% damage for fazed targets too

[grave basin]

fatebound coin seems super overtuned

5% more dam isnt even close to just the coin damage

[spring bough]

Sure you can get fateboundd damage coin to the top but in games with CC and all that doesn’t always happen

[grave basin]

im watching doctordaggers now playing trickster

[spring bough]

Can consistently get unseen blades in my top 5 damage abilities overall for BGs and skirms

And if they fix the auto attacks with SND resting unseen blades procs which it isn’t doing right now. We will have even more blade procs for trickster

I even seen people playing trickster sub and it looks pretty damn good. Some Rank 1 last night told me how much he’s loving it

[spring bough]

Yes but the flawless stacks

Easily get 8-10 every time after coup

[grave basin]

just wish they would give us back the df tier set man

[spring bough]

That’s like 20-30% added to finishers

[grave basin]

having 1 roll back to back feels bad

[spring bough]

I was getting like 700-800k BTEs and dispatches some games with big stacks of flawless

Coup did finally get me in the GCD lock in a skirm last night tho. Hit it with 20% and I had vanish up and died the second it finished the lock lol

[grave basin]

yea the gcd lock is cancer

[stoic spruce]

I missed some kicks

Def were game winning kicks too

Simply not worth

[grave basin]

gamba spec it is

NA up btw

jk

[spring bough]

Damn you gave up trick

[grave basin]

ok nvm im on again

the weekly hasnt even reset ,, can still queue for comp stomp

[stoic spruce]

When I'm pushing, I'd like to not be punished for doing my rotation

[grave basin]

do we take triple threat?

seems like it's really good no?