pvp

[humble spear]

Thanks for the answers 🙂

[potent pivot]

also depends on what spec you're playing

like assa gains a lot of damage just buy using meld offensively

outlaw gains some damage

sub doesn't really need meld at all, and just uses it to avoid CC and other things for the most part so it's more than fine as human or orc

kinda wish quests still went this hard

[spring bough]

Damn NPC needs to reread the social contract

[winged lion]

so with deathstalker you should open with ambush every time? ambush - garrote - cheap or something else?

[potent pivot]

you can ambush at any time during Subterfuge

[winged lion]

oh that's very nice. initially was extremely doomer reading deathstalker as assa lol

[outer sky]

lol

[stoic spruce]

gonna

hrenggg

see yall in the arena

[spring bough]

Pls don’t

That’s so troll

[stoic spruce]

its only troll if you lose

[spring bough]

Tanks need an arena ban

[stoic spruce]

you dont like fighting against them?

[spring bough]

No esp two paladins

Worst nightmare

[stoic spruce]

good

thats why I play it

specifically to give people a bad time

and lose

while they have a bad time

[spring bough]

Qued into two prot pally game season one at like 2389 never again

[wintry dew]

You're playing PvPx2

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[wintry dew]

Both in game and irl, because thats a psychological attack

[candid tide]

i should be doing skirms instead of pve smh

10 days season starts alr

[stoic spruce]

the satisfaction of knowing the other person is extremely miserable is more than worth it

https://youtu.be/AR-sMAI740E?si=Nj7YGV6O4y4bKmhr

[potent pivot]

weirdchampx2

[stoic spruce]

I just had an idea for outlaw

im going to get this dk to 80 then I'll cook

[outer sky]

tell me and I'll preheat the oven while you finish leveling

[candid tide]

What can we get best at season start?

Weapons right?

[outer sky]

nobody knows because Blizzard cant just say something straight

theres a chance that weapons are unavailble until week 3

it's kind of ambiguous

[potent pivot]

we're supposed to get free weapons week 3 of the season

if we can even buy them before that we dunno yet

[candid tide]

Free wth

[potent pivot]

yeah we'll get a quest week 1

that says "earn 2500 conquest" or something, and the reward is weapons

[novel ruin]

Guys, is there PvP subtlety ? i cant copy the thing from Fuu wowhead, not working for some reason

[potent pivot]

check the pins

if you're looking for the sub build

[candid tide]

Everything so free nowadays in wow

[potent pivot]

we don't get a vault anymore

so i wouldn't say that necessarily lol

[outer sky]

both weapons or just 1?

[potent pivot]

they didn't specify i don't think

[outer sky]

love to see it

[spring bough]

didnt they say "set"

wonder if that means 1 wep for them lol

[candid tide]

They should put 1800 rating min again on weaps requirements

[potent pivot]

i think it's gotta bet 2 because like

no way they give out free 2 handers and only 1 1h

[potent pivot]

naw that's just toxic lol

[outer sky]

the last thing WoW PvP needs is more gatekeeping

[potent pivot]

they did say set

[candid tide]

Yeah def will lose a bunch of casual players with that again lol

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/mudcx/clip/ClearFunnyWolfPJSugar-3Sa0RDacmU1uAEod???

there we go

how weird

[outer sky]

have any of yall seen the flying monk thing yet?

[steep kiln]

sending this to my guildies that do prot pala/veng every season

ty

[potent pivot]

the flying monk thing?

[outer sky]

yeah

so monks have a talent that gives them a DH style double jump after they roll or chi torpedo

so they jump off of something

torpedo

jump

over and over again

On my monk I flew across all of orgrimmar doing it

it's gunna be broken for FC RBGs

they can also fly from LM to mines on arathi

[potent pivot]

good lord

i did see 1 BM FC earlier

didn't pay much attention tho

[outer sky]

it's most broken for Mistweaver because they have 2 charges of thunder focused tea which refunds chi torpedo charges

they can torpedo up to 8x in a row

9x with an evoker

and if they play roll they can get 10 lmfao

[potent pivot]

the fuck

lmao

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexo

[torpid oxide]

How is outlaw looking in blitz? like is it playable at all? it looks insanely fun

like I know its not top tier obviously, but is it like complete dog?

[potent pivot]

It’s actually pretty good rn

[torpid oxide]

❤️

huge thank you, time to level a rogue 🙂

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOO

[wintry dew]

You mean I can roleplay sonic?

[outer sky]

yep

[spring bough]

Jesus Pshero posted another vid 😂

“I’m gonna get rogue nerfed” 🤦‍♂️

My guys played retail like three days in a row this not good lol

[jolly sierra]

that guy is crazy

actually made sub rog maldraxxi works in SL

when everybody was kyrian/venthyr in early xp

[potent pivot]

god that sounds cancerous

that's one combination i never even tried

[jolly sierra]

ye, and we wont unless SL classic is a thing

still recall when he used a blindfold in a match

XD

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure i played every cov with every spec

other than necro sub

[outer sky]

I hated nightfae so much

[jolly sierra]

i used it in s3

was crazy good w assa

[potent pivot]

yeah sepsis pumped s3

[jolly sierra]

when u deleted w sepsis

[spring bough]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rIB4_eZvs4I?si=04LDEHRQRbGhBTaS

2.1 mil crits

😂

He is playing sub too

[jolly sierra]

XD

[spring bough]

Trickster looks like too

Oh no lol

[cosmic blaze]

is this the hidden op strat? xD

btw anyone got any pointers as to how i learn to play outlaw pvp

i just started going random bgs with pve tree and it still was fun

[jolly sierra]

any of the yellow guys can explain u

i think @spring bough is a safe bet

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHHH

[potent pivot]

just play a bunch and ask questions

[spring bough]

I just press buttons lol

[cosmic blaze]

playing ace doenst really seem good

[jolly sierra]

just explain him what to do like u did w me

but im shit so

[stoic spruce]

Its what makes crackshot work

[spring bough]

Yeah you def need ace for crackshot build

[cosmic blaze]

i also havent tried trickster yet

seems to be good

[stoic spruce]

dont get my shit nerfed

[potent pivot]

ayo?!

[outer sky]

ayeeee

[potent pivot]

making bank from the honor grind

you love to see it

[cosmic blaze]

i had a brainlag

i meant crackshot doesnt feel good

[cosmic blaze]

in pvp

[potent pivot]

or not?

my shit disappeared

[potent pivot]

how not

[jolly sierra]

AH is buggy af

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah

I got you

[jolly sierra]

for me took like 10m buying all the enchants

[cosmic blaze]

i feel like being dependent on a 25% chance to kick of an ace streak

[outer sky]

should have played it before it got buffed 20%. It felt terrible

[cosmic blaze]

isnt the best

[outer sky]

it's usually 30-35%.

[cosmic blaze]

i played outlaw in pve last 2 seasons

it was fun

but they lost me a bit with the last changes

[outer sky]

also you have to compare it to your other options. Where are you going to put those talent points thats better?

I couldnt find anything better on beta

and thats pre dispatch nerf and ace buff

[cosmic blaze]

i feel like greenskins is underrated

[stoic spruce]

it is

[cosmic blaze]

having that juicy extra pistolshot for a bit of extra burst

[stoic spruce]

its pretty good

been testing thoroughly

[cosmic blaze]

you got a talent tree you want to share?

[stoic spruce]

not yet

[outer sky]

Greenskin def has some potential

[wraith harness]

is assa far off from sub?

[potent pivot]

no

[potent pivot]

hopefully it's just a visual bug and i get it back in my mail box or someone buys it

because that's aggravating af

[candid tide]

Nahj says assa is better at high ratings

Less counter he says

[outer sky]

Im running double disarm hell yeah

[potent pivot]

don't see it here either though

[potent pivot]

most people say the opposite

but either way for the average player all 3 are really good

[tawny ermine]

Anyone know where to find the go to pvp build for assa?

[potent pivot]

if things stay this way could easily see all 3 in r1 range

[potent pivot]

ye check the pins

[wraith harness]

hws assa/affli/healer usually as a comp?

[candid tide]

U think Nahj is good?

[potent pivot]

usually it's okay, right now though it's kinda busted

[potent pivot]

wdym?

i don't think anyone in their right mind can say nahj is bad

[candid tide]

Fr just watch his stream can’t barely follow

[outer sky]

^^

[candid tide]

So fast

[torpid oxide]

what hero talents are outlaws running in pvp atm?

[wraith harness]

yeah so my mate and I p new to pvp having played wow for ages and we have comp exp from pve and other games

we have the option to go assa/affli/heal or sub/fmage/heal, I'm also confident on affli

RMP/RMD are the hardest comps to play as well as classes p much, no?

So even if assa/affli<sub/fmage, we should prob go the comfort easy comp for now I assume?

[potent pivot]

either really. i recommend fatebound over trickster, but a lot of people have been having fun with trickster as well.

[torpid oxide]

sounds good ty, i heard one interrupts your skill flow

[potent pivot]

yeah trickster gcd locks you

[torpid oxide]

thats a feels

[potent pivot]

fire is pretty garbage right now

[wraith harness]

sub/frost mage

[potent pivot]

i think affli also dodged nerfs so far

frost mage nerfs hit tuesday with reset

no telling how they're going to look post nerfs

but in general you should always go with your comfort picks

there's no reason to try and force specs you've never played unless your comfort spec is like, REALLY bad

[outer sky]

frost mage seems to prefer caster cleave comps

[potent pivot]

the dk dream is real

[potent pivot]

he just said assa is "potentially better" lol

[candid tide]

He said less counterplays at higher mmr idk

But ye we will see

Im excited to try out a bunch of stuffs

[potent pivot]

it decided to come back

[outer sky]

if prevoker is good and mage isn't amazing then assa will be ripping up the arena

[wraith harness]

how come? there's a comp with pres/rogue that's a thing?

pres/rog/boomy?

[wraith harness]

Interesting, what type of comps we talking here? Back in "my day" rmp was frost mage for the longest time

[outer sky]

Im sure it's good. But the thing is prevokers heal damn near in melee range. Assa's biggest challenge is maintaining bleeds and poisons on all targets. So if prevoker is in almost every comp that just makes assa's job 10x easier

[jolly sierra]

ye, its random XD

[outer sky]

granted prevoker can also remove your bleeds every minute but thats easy enough to play around when the entire team is well within step range

mages and hunters kinda fuck us up, especially mages because those 2 classes are super slippery and play to be as far away as possible

but if we have a meta that isnt super mage/hunter heavy, or at least not super mage heavy, with a lot of prevokers, assa will farm

[wraith harness]

What does Frost Mage play with nowadays if not RMP?

[outer sky]

mage lock or god comp

[wraith harness]

what spec does the lock play in that comp?

[outer sky]

whichever one is top tier

usually not demo

affi or destro

[worthy crag]

oo godcomp is a thing again now?

[proud vortex]

wait so sub is good so far?

[potent pivot]

i've only been saying the same thing for a week

[stoic spruce]

crackshot is for the BIRDS

god I miss dreadblades

[proud vortex]

[jolly sierra]

dude

plants in EU

worth like 40g each the most common ones

[midnight siren]

whats the most faceroll spec so far? last played rogue in cata

[stoic spruce]

BM

unless you mean rogue

then assa

but its not really face roll but it is easy

[midnight siren]

nice i just want to cheese people in bgs and shuffle for an armor set, dont even need premed macros now

[stoic spruce]

yeah you want assa

[lucid citrus]

How’s he hit so high? Lol

[potent pivot]

looked like consuming Darkest Night with evis

[lucid citrus]

Never had my evis hit that hard so i must be doing something wrong

[potent pivot]

try consuming Darkest Night towards the end of your dance

like try on a dummy real quick doing something like this:

do 1 dance, consume all the Marks to get Darkest Night up
then send dance/symbols/blades->sepsis->sec tech->strike->evis

[hexed blaze]

anyone know what addon is displaying dots like this?

[potent pivot]

that looks like KUI nameplates or Plater

you can do the same thing with BetterBlizzPlates too though

[hexed blaze]

might be my threat plates, i logged into my rogue and cannot see shit lmao

[azure rapids]

Why do some tier lists still show Outlaw as being lowest Tier in Blit, playing it right now feels like those tierlists are stupid:))

It does dmg i can t see it not being good in Blitz

[potent pivot]

tier lists are always a joke

but outlaw will unironically always be the worst rogue spec for rbg/blitz

assa's aoe is insane, and sub is sub

it's not like outlaw is bad

the other 2 are just better

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw shines in team fights really but the problem is you don't get a rogue for team fights

[potent pivot]

assa can definitely team fight

[last jasper]

He is clearly playing trickster there 😂

[potent pivot]

ahh i saw the same icon as darkest night

[last jasper]

Ye, me too. 😂
Small Indy company

[fallen scaffold]

what path for deathstaslker is thhe most optimal? the left one or middle? well i guess left and middle then right since im only lvl 74 and seems like all the shit on the right path is pve/bad

shieet shadewalker doe, do we taek that

[hexed blaze]

Does frost DK have bubble

[jolly sierra]

just antimagic

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NyP_wg3jIc Meanwhile in the mage wonderland

[lucid citrus]

Wait I’m confused now lol

[potent pivot]

he was running trickster not deathstalker

one of his buffs that i saw shares the same icon as deathstalker's capstone darkest night

the only reason he hit that high was because he had 30 stacks of flag

not bad

[scenic mulch]

i have a rogue but i don't really play it but theres a thing i gotta ask an ability called Singular Focus is it supposed to be hitting for 17mil 24mil overkill in WPvP?

got 1shot on an alt and have no idea how to even counter it

[potent pivot]

got pics?

[safe pelican]

Best race for rogue mogs imo & i agree with the DK statement i know im late as hell replying but just found out how to work the notifications after the update lol

[potent pivot]

isn't it pretty much the same a nelf but with lighter skin?

[fallen scaffold]

ye without the sick ama'shan glowing red eyes

[stoic spruce]

NOW we're gaming

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

[potent pivot]

i see too much of two things and not enough of one thing

[stoic spruce]

trust

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Dropping FTH idk

[stoic spruce]

its not as big a loss as youd think it is

shocked me too

[spring bough]

And swift slasher

[potent pivot]

i'm deleting that for now

as to not encourage it's abuse

[spring bough]

Yeah but if he’s playing trick the one point relies on snd

[stoic spruce]

howso

[spring bough]

Doesn’t it reset unseen cd on snd atk speed or something

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah

tt wasnt even a conscience choice anyway

[spring bough]

Auto attacks trigger it so you want them as fast as you can get

[stoic spruce]

actually I dont think you ever need it because its always up

[spring bough]

I hit under 1.0 atk speed when I got all haste procs and snd up lol

[stoic spruce]

I just one shot a warr

"one shot"

I cut his balls off with a dispatch

I cant tell a difference with swift

I'll swap to it because it'll bug me otherwise

[mystic shoal]

when you hit 80, you get access to all nodes in your hero talents

only thing you need to worry about picking is the choice nodes

[fallen scaffold]

ye just relized that when i dinged 75 lmao

[mystic shoal]

lol

[halcyon timber]

feral still hits for close to 7.5M in a convoke window and 2.1.-2.6 bites by themselves. The anti rogue propaganda can piss off.

[stoic spruce]

RAHHH THIS BUILD IS HAVING SEX WITH THEIR MOMMAS AND THEIR DADDYS AND THEIR GRANDMAS

[fallen scaffold]

oo daddi

[stoic spruce]

Cant have that build either

[scenic mulch]

no but it happened like 20mins ago infront of org

[potent pivot]

yeah old world pvp is very buggy

that's not a normal thing

[sharp sierra]

Hi, which rog spec/hero talents the best for 1v1 now?

[scenic mulch]

nvm i think i understand now its basically like the way the slimes were in the last wing of ToT remix Raid finder lower lvl player would get hit with a dot and it would tick absurdly large numbers on max lvl players because of the scaling its probably from attacking the boars or low lvl players

but thats just horrible splash dmg like why?

[fallen scaffold]

beginning of xpac

nothings balanced or scaled yet

[outer sky]

9 minute 2v2 as assa/pres vs ret/disc. Winner = assa/pres

[topaz bobcat]

disc assa the 2v2 combo from hell

ptsd playing against this in past xpansions as non rogue

[outer sky]

I had a pres

breakdown if anyone cares. I was not playing crimson tempest. This is probably the closest thing to a real 2v2 ive so far this xpac. Both teams were missing a dps in the skirm

[topaz bobcat]

authority of radiant power is the weapon enchant right?

[fallen scaffold]

ya i think ima go backt o playing kingsbane

[outer sky]

yeah

[fallen scaffold]

feels way too wierd not having it

what do i give up for kingsbane here?

[topaz bobcat]

lol it does way too much dmg for an enchant

it only scales with haste and crit tho right?

[outer sky]

I'd play it in 2s most of the time and very rarely in 3s.

[fallen scaffold]

fr?

hmm

[outer sky]

thats just the proc damage. It also gives me primary stat

the dephs enchant from the raid does way more actual damage

[fallen scaffold]

just feeel lioke i dont have an actuall "go" without it

[outer sky]

for high apm classses itll be in their top 3 damage

[outer sky]

problem is you dont have an actual "go" with it either.

[fallen scaffold]

this guy just did 10m dam wih it doe

9m game in 2s though..

meh

[outer sky]

yeah I pressed it 8x

in 3s CT will do way more than that and help your pressure much better than KB

i mean idk how itll be at max gear

but thats how it is now and how it was on beta

but in 2s its probably the play

same with 3s into shit you cant possibly cleave

like mage lock

[fallen scaffold]

oh u gotta give up ct

to get kb

[outer sky]

or spike

[fallen scaffold]

i barely pres mutilate in 3s

id prob do that

[outer sky]

if you play KB in 3s drop spike

if you play it in 2s

[fallen scaffold]

ye

[outer sky]

drop ct

[fallen scaffold]

word

is ur initial hit dmg on those details

of kb

[outer sky]

my biggest one was 715k

[fallen scaffold]

lolz yikes

[outer sky]

yeah

and I macro CB to it so they all crit

[fallen scaffold]

u play cb?

interesting

[outer sky]

only if I play KB

3s

2s

Ok now there it is

i personally consider CB mandatory for KB

because we play low crit and even when KB crits with lethality it does trash dam

so to drop lethality and drop CB so it rarely crits and when it does loses 20% damage

seems so bad

[fallen scaffold]

icic

[outer sky]

but what you give up to get KB

you lose alacrity, deeper strat (so extra CP and 5% finisher dam), bone spike and doomblade. You also want to play the badge trinket with KB instead of insignia so you lose the proc trinket which has way higher uptime

doomblade is whatever so we disregard that

bonespike does almost as much damage as KB on 2 targets. on 3 it will do way more

plus it adds a stack of lethal dose

and gives you a ton of combo points

[fallen scaffold]

ye thats alot

i was gunna say, but prob doesnt feel as clean/smooth

[outer sky]

and your finishers are doing 5% less da

dam*

and you have 30-40% uptime on proc trinket

its just better

IMO

unless you legit cant get any real value out of cleaving

[potent pivot]

it's the open world in a lvl 10 zone, that's just how it is. if you do open world pvp in TWW or even dragonflight zones it can't happen.

[potent pivot]

two broken healers vs each other for 10 minutes

[outer sky]

Enhancement shaman did more healing than damage

[potent pivot]

they're all sandbagging

saul says enhance is going to be disgusting tuesday apparently

[outer sky]

lol you think theyre hustling us

[potent pivot]

well truly the reason everyone thought that they sucked was because there was hardly anyone really testing them on beta

i'm sure they needed buffs because legit everyone just plays ele

but maybe they went overboard with the tuning nob idk

[stoic spruce]

Thinking about her (my build)

[celest yoke]

do we just hit like a wet noodle as sub or does it get better with full pvp gear ?

[outer sky]

it gets better

[shy nebula]

Did we get any word about the stealth issue in pvp?

[snow mesa]

definitely gets better

im hitting 1-1.5 million evis'

[shy nebula]

im not reaching 1 million ever with sub rogue

[shy nebula]

what rotation are you doing for this evis

[celest yoke]

Wait so I was not going crazy that I kept on getting randomly unstealthed?

[shy nebula]

Oh, no no

It's a known issue

[celest yoke]

I was about to punch my monitor yesterday as I was not able to fogure out wtf was going on lol

[shy nebula]

Some dude the other day said that he had recorded last 5 mins of his bg and he got unstealthed like, 20 times

[celest yoke]

Yeah I could barely stealth in a ashran yesterday, no one around unstealthed

[celest yoke]

Sight that's good to hear because I feel like I am not moving anyone's health in the ilvl 600 bracket

[shy nebula]

yeah I was doing the orb's BG the other day streaming in disc to a friend and I was just sitting still with nobody around, my hands off the keyboard and I got unstealthed

and yeah my biggest evis con trainning dummy is 900k full pvp gear

in duels i usually hit around 600k

[snow mesa]

idk just the normal one ig

cheapshot into dance

yeah just did it again

i i can consistently hit above 1 million ones

[shy nebula]

wtf why am i not hitting that

[snow mesa]

are u using badge trinket or

[shy nebula]

nah im using on use

[snow mesa]

yah so badge

[shy nebula]

Oh how's the other one called

[snow mesa]

emblem

[shy nebula]

Alright then I'm using badge yeah

[snow mesa]

then idk

cheapshot > pop cds > evis > shadowstrike > st > shadowstrike evis

that's all i do

[shy nebula]

that doesn't pop DSM

[snow mesa]

i mean u can pop a cheap shot in there again if u want to

[shy nebula]

the rotation I do is CS > pop CDs > Evis > shadowstrike > ST > CS > Evis > CS > Evis > Shadostrike + Shadowdance > Evis

And I do not get to 1M

[snow mesa]

yah without shadowblades

i hit 1.4

[shy nebula]

wtf

this is me after i pop DSM

[shy nebula]

Do you run sepsis or inevitability?

[snow mesa]

sepsis

tbh u also just

dont have enchants

on your gear or

[shy nebula]

are enchants making 400k damage or?

[snow mesa]

800 agility total from chest and leg enchant 380 vers from rings 3000 mastery per weapon enchant

it definitely goes a long way

[cedar kite]

so wtf is this bug breaking stealth all the time its so fucking anoying

[snow mesa]

warlocks

[cedar kite]

this is so stupid

[crimson torrent]

Hey , can anyone here coach me on pvp please. ill make an offer.

[spring bough]

On my way to get some adult brownies for a marathon of plunderlord pvp 🏴‍☠️

[marble crag]

no rupture? youre missing out on like 1.3M dmg

[orchid plinth]

I love ressing in the BG and instantly getting in combat when no one is within 100 yds of me???

[shy nebula]

this is like, just the first damage I deal, I'd put rupture right after that opener I did

after DSM evis

the finishers i do in order are, evis st evis evis evis rupture

[candid tide]

DH is sucha 123 class lol

[crimson torrent]

whats the assasin pvp rotation ?

[tardy magnet]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[gusty hedge]

@upbeat anchor

[wintry dew]

I don't think Foreverguy does PvP coaching

[topaz bobcat]

is devastation evoker much more diff really?

[crimson torrent]

whats the DR addon called?

[spring bough]

Diminish. If ur using curse just make sure ur using one of the newly updated ones since the old author stopped updating

[crimson torrent]

@spring bough the second one im guessing ?

[spring bough]

Yup

[crimson torrent]

ty

[hollow carbon]

Depending on your experience and goal you wanna reach, I could help you out 🙂 can write me a DM if you like

[potent pivot]

You should start with sepsis->tech and strike evis later in dance

[potent pivot]

Same for you^

[snow mesa]

aye aye captain

[potent pivot]

Macabre stacks go hard

I usually get in the range of 2m evis

i'd wait before crafting any embellishments

we need to see more testing before we know which is best for sure, and wait for possible tuning of embellishments

we'll likely craft week 1 or 2 of the season

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce one BG with yarrrr addon and people on my team already whispering me to shut up lol

[candid tide]

evoker is hard to play imo

[crimson torrent]

which posion should u have on as assasin pvp ?

[potent pivot]

wound & crippling

ig that command doesn't exist anymore

[shy nebula]

sorry, i think i didn't understand very well

sepsis > ST first

if you do that, ST won't benefit from macabre

am i incorrect

[potent pivot]

you don't need Tech to benefit as much as you need Evis to benefit

you want to get Sepsis and Tech dmg ticks rolling and have Evis be the main benefactor of Macabre

Evis hits hard now

[shy nebula]

hm, alright

so you'd do, sepsis, st, strike pop cds and evis?

[potent pivot]

kidney->dance->rupture if it isn't on the target->CDs->sepsis->tech->strike->evis

[forest prairie]

what weaponenchant do we use for assassination in pvp?

[potent pivot]

it's looking like radiant power

[muted abyss]

oh shit really?

[potent pivot]

yeah where are you getting artistry from lol

[muted abyss]

Icy veins lol

[potent pivot]

gimme a sec

[muted abyss]

now this was like a week ago, it's prolly updated now, idk

at least when I bought the enchants they were 1/4th the cost they are now lol

[steep kiln]

says mastery on rings too surprising

[potent pivot]

veins still says Artistry but i'm pretty positive we go Radiant Power on weapons

2.2k agi > 3.9k mastery

[gusty hedge]

Icey >Wowhead ?

[potent pivot]

for pvp yes

@chrome schooner

[steep kiln]

pve at least i think seli wrote the icyveins guide. seli vs whispyr

[muted abyss]

I'm gonna buy 2 of the 3 star enchants then, the price is gonna skyrocket when the season actually starts and people buy it to enchant their epic weapons

[potent pivot]

yeah wowhead just doesn't really have pvp resources now afaik

[steep kiln]

ah that makes sense now that you mention it

[potent pivot]

well we don't get epic weapons until week 3 of the season so keep that in mind

the enchants will likely drop more before then

[muted abyss]

hmm

[steep kiln]

wowhead, icyveins, maxrollgg lot of info out there these days

[shy nebula]

dude i'd give you a kiss if i could

[potent pivot]

[shy nebula]

1.3M consistently

[potent pivot]

that rotation has been really reliable since beta

[shy nebula]

I didn't know that

where do you check that stuff

not in icy veins

[potent pivot]

check what

[shy nebula]

rotations and stuff

like enchants

[potent pivot]

i get rotations either from watching good players or coming up with it myself from testing

[snow mesa]

Okay does anyone know how I can get into playing RBGs? I am not a big arena lover and I'd much rather play RBGs

[potent pivot]

as far as enchants go @outer sky tested them all on beta

but you can see just from their tooltips

Radiant Power gives proc dmg and 2.2k agi proc

Artistry only gives 3.9k mastery alone iirc

[potent pivot]

just q up when season starts

[snow mesa]

I mean that's blitz right?

[steep kiln]

I think Raz has some college dissertation level paper on RBGS idk if it's still around

might be old by now

[potent pivot]

wdym?

[snow mesa]

Soloq RBGs are blitz

[potent pivot]

you can just q rbg in lfg

[snow mesa]

ah that's what you mean

[potent pivot]

you just sign up to join groups

[snow mesa]

well yeah but most people will only take people with masses of exp and/or cr

[potent pivot]

nah

look for yolo groups

if anyone even plays rbg, i'm sure they will but

with blitz being the new shiny thing most ppl are going to be doing that

[snow mesa]

probably yeah

I guess blitz is gonna be fun with 4s cap timers

[shy nebula]

I'll buy radiant power when i have the conquest weapons, i already bought the artistry bc of icy veins xD

and prices are just too high atm

[potent pivot]

yeah honestly i wouldn't worry too much especially for your honor gear

they're both pretty powerful i just think RP beats out SA

[snow mesa]

ew sophic devotion and frozen devotion in one

[weak comet]

any decent pvp plater profiles?

[potent pivot]

i think Mes and Bicmex have some out there somewhere

but most people use BetterBlizzPlates for pvp

[weak comet]

how is outlaw in pvp ain TWW i've only every played sub

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are doing well atm

[snow mesa]

bicmex has nice frames

[weak comet]

do you have link?

[snow mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U1nONyDFfw

[weak comet]

oh he uses KUI

[snow mesa]

aye

[grave pier]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

@cursive oracle check the iceyveins guide, you can get there through the pins in this channel

[cursive oracle]

ty

[muted abyss]

for assa we're going insignia not badge right?

[potent pivot]

correct

[muted abyss]

we don't really have any 1 minute cds to line it up with

kay

[stoic spruce]

They can suck it up

[outer sky]

If live is the same as beta, assa and sub will want the radiant power enchant and outlaw will want the depths enchant. But that one isn't available right now anyway since the recipe is a raid drop

[grave pier]

!opener

ah

@potent pivot is there a command for opener?

[potent pivot]

there is not, because openers can be situational

usually in your very first opener you want to gar-gar-rupture-ambush-etc

other than that assa is basically just keep bleeds up, build with FoK on 2+

[grave pier]

FoK?

also what about Slice and Dice?

[potent pivot]

fan of knives

[grave pier]

do i not SnD and 1 cp and build it up by spending CP's?

[potent pivot]

not in an opener no

you slice as soon as you have some downtime after the first opener

like if you can't reach anyone and have some extra cp you don't need for your next kidney etc

[grave pier]

so all in opener would be

Gar > Gar > Rupture > Ambush > Deathmark > Shiv > tea > Kingsbane?

[potent pivot]

we aren't really running kingsbane rn

[grave pier]

ah

took it off then

[potent pivot]

but yeah if you were, that'd be an all in sure

[grave pier]

what about cheap shotting at the start

im guessing if i do that

i can't get the ambush off?

better to maybe do a kidney shot Deathmark etc

[potent pivot]

wdym

[grave pier]

Usually i like to CS at the start

[potent pivot]

you'd still ambush

[marsh mica]

people running assn over outlaw for bgs right now?

[potent pivot]

just don't blow DM in your first opener

DM is a pretty bad cooldown anyway

your main pressure is going to come from spreading aoe DoTs, empowered garrotes, crimson tempest

[potent pivot]

you can play whatever spec you enjoy rn, they're all good

[rain crown]

@potent pivot what do you think about gar > ambush > rupture to get one of your 5 cp stacks used right away

Then just need 2 more envenom for fatty envenom

[plucky escarp]

Hey - does a socket cost about 15k honor, or do you get them from a jewelcrafter/ah

[potent pivot]

getting a longer empowered garrote is pretty juicy, especially if you can cleave it

[rain crown]

Or even just using the ambush pre rupture regardless of cp amount

[potent pivot]

yes sockets cost about 15k honor

[plucky escarp]

Damn okay

[rain crown]

Garr garr ambush rupture

[potent pivot]

you can buy the Bloodstones on the AH or get them inside of pvp chests and stuff

but the socket setting item costs 2 Bloodstones and 9750 honor

[potent pivot]

nah i don't think it's worth

envenom is an afterthought in your opener

the more empowered garrotes, ruptures, and CT you can get up, the better

[rain crown]

@potent pivot I get that in opener but I’m getting the most pressure out of the big envenoms

So faster I get to then the better I’m thinking

I hit a 1.1 mil non crit the other day

[potent pivot]

wasting combo points and energy is never a good thing

[rain crown]

Ok

[topaz bobcat]

9 days left of nothing

got scammed in early access

[safe pelican]

Yea early access was kinda a scam

Now we know next time

Aside from calling everyone that got it late poor there wasn’t much more value

[spring bough]

it feels like the new DK pets have boss level health lmao

[safe pelican]

Yea i love that the pets have hella health

[dapper chasm]

You got to call 4 people poor, that's a win in my book

[vital socket]

Be blizzard, Ask 40$ for 3 days early access, After 3 days nerf dungeon xp so poors have to level slower and deal with the consquence of their actions.

https://tenor.com/view/stimmy-whatmoney-rich-stonecoldsteveaustin-moneybags-gif-20766215

bet next xpac its gonna be 60$ for early access

[potent pivot]

leveling through dungeons really doesn't even feel slower to me tbh

[vital socket]

i dont think they did it iirc

[potent pivot]

you just aren't giga busted at lvl 70-72 anymore

[vital socket]

ngl that shit had me rolling when they announced nerfs to dungeon xp

[potent pivot]

they did do some scaling tuning

they made 70-72 weaker than it was

and made like 78-80 stronger than it was

something of that nature

but they literally only tuned the damage and mobs scaling

[vital socket]

no they were / are nerfing xp gains from dungeons

[potent pivot]

i've never seen a single thing about exp gains from dungeons

at all

[vital socket]

scaling was fine, the healer should be doing 1 mil hits

[potent pivot]

where does it say they were nerfing the experience

[vital socket]

yeah ur right hmmge

[potent pivot]

they never said anything about xp lol

[vital socket]

still cringe to nerf after early access thou

[potent pivot]

is it though?

[vital socket]

ya

[safe pelican]

The poors must suffer at any cost

[vital socket]

cuz 3 days early cuz you could blaze thru early levels a bit faster

[potent pivot]

levels 70-72 were doing 5x the damage of level 78-80s in dungeons

[vital socket]

ya

the issue is after

[potent pivot]

it should not be like that

[vital socket]

the 3 days early access was over

thats when they chose to nerf it

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

what you're not getting

is that they BUFFED 78-80

like it's literally a null point

they nerfed lower level's damage, and buffed higher level's damage

[stable parrot]

just another try to stop boosting stuff

[potent pivot]

leveling speed really didn't change

[stable parrot]

that wont matter

[worthy crag]

lvling is so irrelevant, like who rly cares. Id argue the one thing they screwed up w early access is professions

surprised they let ppl train it

[plucky escarp]

Leveling takes basically no time at all.

I did 70-80 in one night

[potent pivot]

especially on alts with the experience bonuses it's a breeze

[worthy crag]

ppl give shit to blizz just to give shit

[potent pivot]

yep

community sees "nerf" and starts an uproar without even understanding what's actually being done

[plucky escarp]

If I were blizzard I wouldn’t listen to basically anything the community says they want

[potent pivot]

when there's drama like this no ofc not

but for other things i diagree

[plucky escarp]

I feel like unless it’s an outrageous broken thing

[potent pivot]

i feel like 90% of people want old fomo items back but they don't add them back into the game because 5% would be upset

[worthy crag]

Theyve been hitting a good balance of taking feedback. Compared to early SL when they were stubborn for half the expac about covenant swapping restrictions

or bfa about being able to buy traits and corruptions

or legos in legion

[stable parrot]

still missing class forums for "bigger" people from the community to give feedback

[vital socket]

legos in legion were so shit

[stable parrot]

unless those are back again

but that was usefull feedback atleast 95% of the time

[vital socket]

reject modern wow embrace plunderstorm

[worthy crag]

legion isnt rly modern wow at this point

[vital socket]

2016 was only 2 years ago

[worthy crag]

imo anyway

id consider legion as wow 2 and df as wow 3

[vital socket]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

[potent pivot]

there were class threads for the beta

[stable parrot]

for everyone or people who are somewhat competitive? 😄

was a nice way to filter out all the drama and trolls

[potent pivot]

problem is i don't think they listened to ANY rogue feedback

as far as i can tell

[stable parrot]

i mean them listening is a different story anway xd

[potent pivot]

they seemed to listen to some of the other classes

and actually make replies in their class threads

[stable parrot]

thats good to hear tbh

[potent pivot]

rogue thread didn't have a blue post reply at all

or if it did it was like some basic shit

vast majority of rogues have been pretty disappointed with the hero trees

[steep kiln]

Devs hate us because they all have negative memories of being ganked by rogues whenever they played. My idiotic 2 cents

[potent pivot]

i can't even imagine trying to play a single one of these trees in pve

[steep kiln]

Its payback

[stoic spruce]

They tried to make crackshot not as powerful and then immediately went back on it. I guess they want to add a new playstyle but they don't know what.

Ion did say they weren't done iterating

But they had to find a stopping point

[spring bough]

they should move some points so we dont need ace and crack and then undo DF season 1 fan the hammer nerf

then we could rock GSW too lol

750k pistols are no joke lol

[potent pivot]

I’m a lot more concerned with the class tree than I am the spec trees ngl

I do think the spec trees could use some improvements, assa especially has been pretty locked into the same build for quite a while

Sub tree seems like the best one when it comes to pvp, you actually have meaningful choices and multiple viable builds

The class tree is just so bad, every spec is basically locked into the same exact build

[rain crown]

without a trace being maybe the single best capstone talent across all specs doesnt help

all classes I mean

[potent pivot]

tbh i think we will see some weird builds that don't even take it

[rain crown]

defensively its strong

offensivley its really strong for 2 of the specs

[potent pivot]

yeah but really it only gets you 1 extra vanish per match, which ofc is still strong

like at a higher level it's just a lock in

some meme builds could drop van/subt for more power

[rain crown]

maybe like a cold blood build with one of these empowered evis/envenoms?

kyrian seems underwhelming

[worthy crag]

id say the single best is abomb limb

[rain crown]

not anymore

frost doesnt even take it now im pretty sure

[potent pivot]

they do

[worthy crag]

interesting

[potent pivot]

it doesn't do that much dmg

but it still does multiple grips

[potent pivot]

cold blood kyrian fatebound assa

[rain crown]

i was almsot playing dk and in prepatch xeek was skipping abom

since you had 2 grips already

[potent pivot]

i play frost dk

we play limb

[rain crown]

ah ok

well im stuck in a hole

fck

[potent pivot]

like in game?

[rain crown]

yea

[potent pivot]

hearth lol

[rain crown]

maybe can go olaw and grapple out

yea going to have to

grapple went on cd and i didnt move

[cedar kite]

there is a char unstuck option under support

[rain crown]

eh i just hearthed out

i think thats what it does anyway?

[cedar kite]

yeah

sometime you cant heart had that problem last week ^^

[lime oar]

@spring bough the trading post rapier is sick

[spring bough]

full plunderlord now lol

[lime oar]

thats perfect lmao

[proven kayak]

can you move honor from a toon to other ?

[potent pivot]

yes with a -20% tax

[lime oar]

@spring bough are u using the talent build in the pins?

[spring bough]

yeah but im using trickster instead lol

[warped gate]

That’s damn good.

But man, I wish I ground that red transmog out now.

[spring bough]

Same here that’s why I went for this one right away and the weps lol

I dig the yellow tho

[warped gate]

It is slick but maaan, I dunno.

Wish it was blue or something more striking.

[topaz bobcat]

Very nice but soon -10% nerf plunderlord

[tawdry imp]

if you're a total noob is it worth starting with 2v2s before doing 3v3s?

[wintry dew]

I'd start in bgs

[plucky escarp]

I wish there was pre-season rated 2s 3s blitz and shuffle

I’m surprised they didn’t do that to be honest

[novel ruin]

Hello, what is the best way tu use burst in pvp as sub rogue ? which ability should i press and how would the rotation look like. but some basic burst opener would be nice to macro or something, im starting as Sub this expansion and i will appreciate all of the help from you, thanx

[potent pivot]

check out the sub guide on iveyveins, you can get there with the link in the pins

but just to note:

#pvp message

^there's one thing you swap around from the rotations listed on iceyveins, i said it earlier

[rain crown]

@tawdry imp generally 2s with a healer is the easiest place to learn rated arena

Bgs won’t teach you much and even shuffle is kinda of a cluster fuck

[novel ruin]

Dont understand, why is there 4 cheap shots in the burst opener ?

[tawdry imp]

yeah that makes sense, I tried some 3v3s with some friends and we just get absolutely shit on with zero margin

2s seem so much more manageable

[potent pivot]

what?

[novel ruin]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pvp-rotation-and-playstyle

Opener got 3-4 cheap shots, dont understand why is this

isnt it better wo go for like max 2 and add shadowstrikes instead or ?

[potent pivot]

read the passage above that opener

as sub most of the time you do restuns in your go

so like you'd cheap shot->hit 4 globals->cheap shot->hit 2 globals->cheap shot->hit 1 global

[novel ruin]

this i understand

what i dont understand under ''burst'' dmg is this

[potent pivot]

what don't you understand though

[novel ruin]

Shadow blades, shadowdance, symbols, thistle tea, cheap shot, evis, sepsis, technique, cheapshot evis cheapshot evis

that third cheap shot isnt it going to be immune ?

[potent pivot]

no

triple DR

cheap 1: 4sec 2: 2sec: 3: 1sec

[tawdry imp]

does this rotation not need to change to make sure we get deathstalker's mark now?

[potent pivot]

1, 1/2, 1/4

[potent pivot]

the burst rotation doesn't need to change, you just need to apply the Mark with a Subterfuge opener or something

you really shouldn't be blowing all CDs in the opener in most cases

only thing i'd change about it is i'd specify trying to have rupture on your target beforehand

but that's not really a hard requirement

[novel ruin]

I see so best is to do this shadowblades and cheap shot evis rotation, but before it is nice to have shadowstrike + rupture

Damn this rogue is quite complicated in pvp 😄 but thanks anyways !

[potent pivot]

sub is pretty much the most complicated spec in the game when it comes to pvp

[hidden moth]

hmmm sub burst is very good

[topaz bobcat]

until u macro it all up

[tawdry imp]

yeah that makes sense

[tawdry imp]

try it on a warlock

[potent pivot]

catergorically and incredibly false statement

you only use like 1 macro that makes things "easier" as sub

macroing badge to symbols

all your other macros technically takes way more skill

focus sap, focus kidney, focus blind, arena1/2/3, focus1/2/3

[topaz bobcat]

i macro shadow blades dance symbols and tea + orc racial, enemy dies after 2 gcd

and trinket too ofc

[potent pivot]

what are you doing, killing level 30s?

[topaz bobcat]

🤣

should add sepsis I always forget to press the button

have u tried it tho? maybe u can get to 1.8k with this one simple macro

we will see soon

[tawdry imp]

do we have numbers on how much damage you should expect from a sub rogue burst nowadays, or what's a reasonable expectation?

[novel ruin]

and btw notrickz, one more question, in the photo u suggested there is no Secret technique, why ?

Is this because it has higher cd ?

[hidden moth]

GG lol i prefer assas against locks

[tawdry imp]

i just bursted my friend with dark pact up and the bar was literally at 100% at the end of it 🙃

[narrow tangle]

your target being unable to react your dmg VS you doing a bit more dmg, thats up to you decide, if your target used all of def, cc cds also high on dampening, maybe you can use SS instead of cheapshot

[outer sky]

generally speaking gapping stuns is not recommended

even if they dont have a defensive, leaving them unstunned may allow them to CC you or kite or whatever

[outer sky]

that shit is definitely overtuned for a 1m CD

[surreal barn]

Yeah for real

[outer sky]

it's especially good against rogues too because the skill aspect of dark pact is knowing when to pop it before youre too low HP for it to not matter. But our goes are extremely telegraphed

if you get stunned = dark pact

so theyll always use it appropriately

against some classes it can be hard to time

[surreal barn]

It’s so strong rn and lasts so long that they don’t even try to time it right

[potent pivot]

If you look at other rotations on IV there is Tech

[outer sky]

yeah it does last too long

[potent pivot]

Not sure why he left it out of one specific rotation

Just sepsis->tech early in your burst

[glacial aurora]

what professions is everyone going?

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t matter

Only thing you might need is engi if we run goggles

[rotund pumice]

Forgive my ignorance I'm new to sub, but if I have all of my offensive CDs bound and use them separately is it still bad to have a "go" macro with things like dance,blades etc?

[potent pivot]

Not really as long as you also have them separate as well

[hasty kelp]

Is there any feasible way to take Blindside to help with Deathstalker? It seems like you'd have to give up something too important

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t work

Has to be an ambush from stealth/subterfuge

[hasty kelp]

oof

[knotty grove]

Any word on when they're fixing certain spells breaking stealth? Playing BGs is a nightmare constantly getting broken out of stealth from a million yards...

[potent pivot]

haven't heard anything no

[outer sky]

A few people have DMd me and asked to see my UI. well, you asked for it. It looks like this

[potent pivot]

Jesus lmao

That’s with or without the skill capped ui

[outer sky]

with

[crimson torrent]

cant find this in pvp vendor

[potent pivot]

It’s not out yet

[crimson torrent]

ohh ok ty

[potent pivot]

Only way to get those are from WQs atm

[crimson torrent]

would u say its a waste to use valerstone on pvp gear ?

[potent pivot]

Like for upgrading? Yeah. It only affects the PvE ilvl

If you want to use it at higher ilvl for PvE you can, but it won’t be optimal gear for PvE

[crimson torrent]

ok good thing i asked , i thought it will increase the 626" ilvl when ur in arena/bg

[potent pivot]

Nope, only way to get higher ilvl pvp gear is from bloody token/conquest vendors when they release.
And from the blue and purple items for crafted gear.

[steep kiln]

has anyone here gotten a Vicious Bloodstone from a contenders strongbox?

[potent pivot]

Which one is that

I don’t pay attention to chest/crate names

[steep kiln]

you get em when you win a bg

[potent pivot]

You can get them from a rare chest spawn or from the wpvp crate(very rare)

[potent pivot]

Supposedly you can get them from those but I haven’t heard of anyone getting one yet

[steep kiln]

ahh got ya. those wpvp crates are super good. got some bs pattern that sold for a lot

when you can get em

[potent pivot]

Most likely bloodstones only come from boxes u get from winning rated matches

[steep kiln]

i just opened a fk ton was thinking i might get one

farmed 8 so far think i'll just buy the rest. thinking they will drop in price too

[steel scarab]

Jesus christ that is a cursed ui lol

[outer sky]

but it gets the job done

i took that screenshot early in the game. If my healer was CCd I'd see an icon for that at the top of my screen. same if an enemy dps popped a major cooldown

[steel scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-code-matrix-code-encryption-encrypted-gif-5662740

[outer sky]

I also clearly see when my healer uses a CD on me so I dont overlap

[lime oar]

What’s all in the skillcapped UI

I think I need to redo mine

[clear summit]

hello all im new to rogue pvp is Sin rogue the easier one to pick up ?

[lime oar]

Yes

[clear summit]

ok thanks i guess i need to keep up the bleeds as much as i can is that the idea of sin rogue in pvp compared to sub where its windows of damage

[outer sky]

yeah keep your dots up on an many targets as possible is your first priority

[foggy void]

what are people hitting for in gear without extra buffs like berserker?

during cds

[outer sky]

UI with offensive CDd and healer CC showing

[potent pivot]

Context?

[spring bough]

One thing the new PvP area lacking is a mail box lol

[jolly sierra]

ive seen some old zones plagued w mailboxes in a small spot

like 2-3 once

[foggy void]

just curious what shit crits for in full gear rn

on other geared players

[potent pivot]

yeah but like, what spec? what spells?

[stoic spruce]

No

Good outlaw rogues

Dear all outlaws I've seen so far

You're all garbage and I spit on you

[potent pivot]

don't make me mop the floor with you (in game)

[outer sky]

I havent seen too many outlaw rogues

[stoic spruce]

You literally couldn't

[spring bough]

yeah join dalaran 5v5 next time

see what happen popo

[stoic spruce]

I've seen 5

They move in herds I guess lol

[fiery gorge]

Hello people I have a quick question regarding new sub rogue opener combo with hero talents

[outer sky]

have I queued into any of yall yet in skirms?

[spring bough]

have u been beat by vaanncleef lol

[fiery gorge]

I tried Shadow blades->Symbols of Death->Cheap Shot->Shadow dance/shadowstrike (macrod together)->secret tech->sepsis->eviscerate->cheap shot->eviscerate->cheap shot->eviscerate

[potent pivot]

wrong order

[fiery gorge]

but seemingly I always have 0.5 sec gap or so after first cheap shot runs out

I try to make use of the new unseen blades talent

hero talent

where I get fazed debuff on enemy with shadowstrike

[potent pivot]

sepsis->tech THEN strike->evis

mm

tech Fazes them

[fiery gorge]

tech too ?

[potent pivot]

yes

[fiery gorge]

thought only shadowstrike and backstab

ohhh

[potent pivot]

it's a talent

in the tree

[fiery gorge]

I thought its buggy

[potent pivot]

how

[fiery gorge]

bcs one time I got unseen blades without using shadow strike

[potent pivot]

ohh

yeah nah

[fiery gorge]

its prob secret

[potent pivot]

yep

[fiery gorge]

thank you

so

can you tell me full combo order?

perfect proper order

so I can practice

[potent pivot]

anytime you Coup

in a burst window

you're going to gap your stuns

because it GCD locks you

[fiery gorge]

whats coup

[potent pivot]

the capstone of Trickster

Coup de Grace

[fiery gorge]

ohhh

[potent pivot]

i would recommend playing Deathstalker over Trickster

but you can make Trickster work to an extent

[fiery gorge]

so it basically can destroy my whole combo randomly ?

[outer sky]

what a shit design lmfao

[outer sky]

yeah but hey at least it looks cool (not even, really)

[potent pivot]

if you proc Coup you'll prolly gap your stun yeah

unless you realize it and instead of queuing up your next strike you cheap shot

[fiery gorge]

so let me flow this into my mind

its a passive ability

that randomly puts me into global cd ?

[potent pivot]

it's not passive

it replaces Evis

[fiery gorge]

ahh

[stoic spruce]

Trickster is outlaw territory

Stay out! Rahhhhh!

[fiery gorge]

oki thx

[potent pivot]

trickster is pve territory

let's be real here

[stoic spruce]

Okay

Trickster belongs to the outlaw

In pvp

[fiery gorge]

it has longer gcd than evis or same ?

[potent pivot]

longer

it's weird

[fiery gorge]

aha I understand

thats why it destroys my combo

I wanna quickly evis

but I randomly get it replaced

and I suddenly get longer gcd bcs of it

so I cannot cheap shot again in time

what if I shadowstrike once instead and overcap combo points ?

wasted dmg ?