pvp

[potent pivot]

Sepsis and sec tech early so their damage starts ticking and because they’re different spells for Macabre

Then evis at the end so it’s bigger

[candid tide]

macabre

[potent pivot]

Paying attention to your Finality and Darkest Night buffs as well

[candid tide]

yeah gonna have to sit down reading all talents again

[lime oar]

Just sit at the pvp dummy and run it back until u can consistently execute it

I have to practice that shit everytime there’s changes cuz if all my brainpower (or lack-thereof) is committed to doing the dmg properly, then I’ve lost all situational awareness of the match

[candid tide]

fr rotation should be musscle memory

thats the fundamental

[warped gate]

It's still taking time for that for me.

Sometimes I'll be there with a bunch of combo points and I'm like hmmm, what should I do now? :<

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot brother I don't feel like pvping.
I need to farm all honor gear and stuff but I don't feel like it. I don't even know if I really want the elite set 😂

[surreal barn]

you want it

you must have it

[potent pivot]

o.o whaaaaaaaaaat

[wintry dew]

Idk

(ill eventually farm full pvp gear the following days, i know myself)

[potent pivot]

you know you're going to want the set no matter what because fomo

if you don't get it it'll just piss you off later on we know this

not saying this because it's a good thing, these are just the facts

rogue honestly feels good in pvp right now, but i'm sure you're already farming pve gear and rep and all kinds of stuff so just take your time with it

[surreal barn]

First week is always the best for rogues

[potent pivot]

i don't think i've had this much fun just farming honor in a long fucking time

but i don't have any need to farm pve gear whatsoever

so all i have to worry about IS the pvp

[wintry dew]

0 HC dungeons farm

[steep kiln]

Does gear scale down in pvp or something or it just doesn't matter yet

[potent pivot]

it scales up in pvp

unless that was an early access only mechanic

[steep kiln]

I see

[potent pivot]

but no, no gear scales down ever

[potent pivot]

yeah but you're still decked out :d

573 ilvl is pretty big for right now

[wintry dew]

i've been just doing stuff

randomly

xD

[spring bough]

Don’t spend those crests yet lol

It’s so tempting to and level up the gear 😭

So pvping last night. Haymakered a FC off twin peaks and then like 4-5 healers between twin peaks and EOTS. Kul tiran become a favorite lol

[wintry dew]

what crests?

[spring bough]

The gear leveling crests. Carved, and weathered

I think the carved ones are the heroic raid level crests

[wintry dew]

im using weathered because they are useless

crafted my MH and my pants

[spring bough]

Yeah those are lfr ones but I’d save the normal/heroic ones for when season starts

[wintry dew]

yeah not using those

[spring bough]

Apparently u can get a free enhanced crest from AOTC so u can make a 619 off the bat

Ah the carved is normal. Some quests giving the heroic ones too I have like 50’of them

There’s a quest in the main city where u trade in 15 carved for the next up and then it gives u 15 carved back too

[potent pivot]

i have a bunch but i don't even pay attention to them it's nice

the only thing they'll likely be used for is transmog anyway

[spring bough]

Yall gotta get some pve in this season it’s fun

Gotta get that 2500 for the shoulder smoke illusion on all the mog sets and not just the elite

[potent pivot]

i highly doubt i'll do any pve unless it gets me something quicker

[spring bough]

I kinda want a pve item to be OP in PvP again lol

[potent pivot]

oh is that how it works

[spring bough]

Yeah or 2400 in pvp for elite

[potent pivot]

i knew that one

[spring bough]

Then it unlocks the shoulder smoke on not just that char but any alt

Got it on my war sets for season two lol

[potent pivot]

@wintry dew have you cooked any mogs with the elite tabard?

[spring bough]

Have we seen the new illusion yet

[wintry dew]

imma be honest, never cooked with elite tabards because i can't get them LOL

[potent pivot]

nope

sometimes we don't even see the illusion until people hit the rating and get it lmao

[wintry dew]

that happened to me

[potent pivot]

aww

[wintry dew]

df s1

[waxen meteor]

lol

[steep kiln]

Bring back gushing wounds so we can all get the tabard

[wintry dew]

xD

[potent pivot]

bring back all fomo items

[steep kiln]

Some big dog dmg pve trinkets

[spring bough]

Df S1 scarred me hit 2389 the last week of the season and lost it 😂

Finally got it after that

[graceful ravine]

my god lol

[waxen meteor]

you are rooooocking

[spring bough]

Is that all sin still?

Or have you come over to the dark side again lol

[graceful ravine]

all sin

[vital crane]

Crimson Tempest is def padding stats on sin

You do so much in Aoe lmao

• garr/rupt spread

it's so good

[spring bough]

Padding is nonsense to me. Does the player have hp? Yes. Is that doing damage and hurting them? Yes. Damage is damage makes it rough on healers esp if you on them cleaving dps

[vital crane]

No for sure, I'm not saying otherwise

I'm just saying we have it easy as far as aoe dmg

[graceful ravine]

about time

assa was so niche for bgs for a long time

[spring bough]

For sure. And they are melting cause of it. Flurry from outlaw is the same

[vital crane]

Sin's spec in BGs is very fun

[spring bough]

I like the fact we can cloak cap flags

[vital crane]

I just swapped to Sub, I like it a lot

[spring bough]

I had some evo hitting me with spells while cloak was up and I was capping lol

[vital crane]

The only reason why I switched to Sub was because of vanish shield

having to vanish + cloak is kinda meh

[graceful ravine]

is that only for deathstalker? with lonnger cloak

[vital crane]

you should go deathstalker in pvp

for sure

[spring bough]

I was outlaw when I did that

I just got lucky he decided not to hit me physically lol

Cloak ended I capped and his last spell went off it all aligned for me lol

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot well here i go

[waxen meteor]

why i cannot connect hmm

[potent pivot]

they definitely fixed the scaling

riiiiight

[potent pivot]

:O

that was a level 75 prot warrior

i'm 78 on my frost DK and he did 100m more than i did

and i'm doing more dmg than i was doing before reset by far

[vital crane]

What's our opening as Sub? Someone sent me the Icy Veins rotation, but it's losing a full combo point, because our initial cheap gives us 6-7 cp

[potent pivot]

use Blades later

cheap->dance->rupture->blades->sepsis->sectech->strike->evis

etc

restun where needed etc

[vital crane]

We're losing point if we got cheap into dance no ?

[graceful ravine]

havent played sub yet, why dance into rupture

[vital crane]

go*

[potent pivot]

you can also rupture before pressing dance

[vital crane]

Ya that's what I've been doing

[potent pivot]

during blades losing a couple combo points isn't a huge deal

your goal is to get as much damage off during your dance

you solo dance and your dance+symbols w/o blades benefit more from First Dance/Premed

your Blades is your big go

[potent pivot]

Danse Macabre and rupture does dmg

[surreal barn]

Hmm you sure about the rupture there

[potent pivot]

yes

[worthy crag]

Might be better to cast at least one shadowstrike before first finisher to get dsm going

[surreal barn]

I’d have it rolling and just use another damage for the macabre

[worthy crag]

Over sepsis maybe

[surreal barn]

You could even backstab and it tick higher

[worthy crag]

You cant have rupture rolling if its your first opener

[surreal barn]

Oh you were talking straight from stealth

[potent pivot]

you want to sepsis early to get those ticks going

[surreal barn]

My bad

[potent pivot]

but yes this isn't like the first opener in a game

[wintry dew]

we won, bought both passive and active dmg trinkets LOL

[potent pivot]

you should Mark the target with a piss Subterfuge go earlier

i'm honestly so tired of talking about openers

50 times the past few days

they're very situational

[wintry dew]

I'm not gonna even bother

ill just BRRRRR

[potent pivot]

[surreal barn]

Yeah it doesn’t honestly make sense because blowing everything right out of the gate isn’t usually the kill condition 😂

[wintry dew]

is there any point to do Wpvp quests that do not award gear?

no idea if they also give honor or not

[vital crane]

me just smash buttons

[potent pivot]

exactly

but everyone wants to know what the X spec opener is

like

................

[potent pivot]

all the WQs i've seen give gear

the weeklies from the pvp area NPC give honor and can give a Spark item so do those

[surreal barn]

Just need a check the pins for that question

lol

And it send straight to rickroll

[potent pivot]

i've never put rotations in any pins or faq

just look at iceyveins as an example, there's like 7 different rotations

fuck that lol

[wintry dew]

mines are rep / gold

[narrow tangle]

as long as you got the general idea

[surreal barn]

Hence, the Rick Astley

[potent pivot]

mine didn't say it would give a Spark but it did

[narrow tangle]

rotation is flexible

[worthy crag]

You can just cheap rupture sepsis and press nothing else and its still not a bad opener

People overemphasize the importance of openers, like they are important but not game deciders

[potent pivot]

the biggest thing i've been trying to emphasize is just sepsis->tech->strike->evis because finality, darkest night, macabre, etc
are making some very big evis

the best combination i've been able to get from testing what i can get to do the most dmg in a stun/dance window was that type of combo

but you have to have the wherewithal to acknowledge and pay attention to all your buffs and modifiers, AND execute properly

trying to teach someone that when they ask for an opener is .. not super easy

[vital crane]

I get the idea behind it, i find myself often blowing everything from the get go

and if i dont get the kill

im left with nothing

[worthy crag]

Thats less desirable with dsm now because the first opener forces you to mix in a SS just to get mark up

I guess youd only be 1 finisher behind but still

[potent pivot]

well this is for a Blades go

not your first opener

[worthy crag]

What they mean by "blow everything from the get go" sounded like what they do out the gate

[potent pivot]

yeah i just don't think that's the play 99% of the time

in a rated arena at least

skirmishes and bgs are whatever

[forest compass]

guys anyone know how to do that BBP addon show enemies debuff?

[potent pivot]

what do you mean

for your bleeds? i told you earlier :d

[forest compass]

well i can only see improve bar on allies but not on enemyes

[potent pivot]

type /bbp

[forest compass]

i did

and load the spec

[potent pivot]

press that button

and you shouldn't need to do anything else

it should look like that but with rogue combo points and bleeds

[forest compass]

it lookds normal

dont have that

[potent pivot]

did you press Magnusz Profile

[forest compass]

y

and reload ui

[potent pivot]

can you screen shot

idk

[potent pivot]

turn on enemy nameplates

in your settings

your base wow settings

[forest compass]

yes

ty

ive try that before but dint work

[graceful ravine]

ok i bought all the honor gear

now what? lol

[steep kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cartman-now-we-can-finally-play-the-game-gif-26486523

[potent pivot]

start grinding the 90k honor you're going to need duh

90-130k

[graceful ravine]

what do i need that for

[potent pivot]

scaling fixed maybe :O

[potent pivot]

sockets

[candid tide]

u can only have 15k honor max

[potent pivot]

obviously

but you're going to need 90-130k regardless

[candid tide]

lol

[light phoenix]

that’s why there’s alt’s

[candid tide]

what do u guys mean with sockets

[potent pivot]

you just spend it on these

for now

[light phoenix]

farm honor cap -> transfer honor to alt -> repeat

[potent pivot]

you lose 20% that way, no

[light phoenix]

how else would you do it lol

[potent pivot]

buy the bloodstones

you're going to need like 18 of them or some shit

[candid tide]

crazy amount of honor required smh

[potent pivot]

indeed

wild fucking amount

[acoustic fox]

And how do you get sockets? Are they crafted?

[waxen moon]

sub vs. sin, which is better now?

[candid tide]

grind 2 win xD

[light phoenix]

just like the old days

[potent pivot]

look at the pictures i just posted

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are good

[waxen moon]

thx

[worthy crag]

the socket puncher is honor now?

[acoustic fox]

somehow I missed that sorry, you typing too fast and mobile is smol 😄

[graceful ravine]

got full honor gear as assa, feels S tier in bgs atm

gonna try sub now

[potent pivot]

no worries, i posted 2 pics

[potent pivot]

ye

you have to buy the stones then use the stones and honor to buy the socket item

[candid tide]

can we socket all pieces?

i know rings can have 2 sockets now

[potent pivot]

nop

[candid tide]

thats reliveing kinda

[potent pivot]

jewelry and a couple other items

[light phoenix]

gem costs are insane

[worthy crag]

ring can have 2 sockets?

[candid tide]

ya

necklace reduced to 2 sockets tho

[potent pivot]

all jewelry can have 2 now

[topaz bobcat]

When is season 2

[worthy crag]

well i guess i should be glad im no longer investing vault shit for pvp socketing

[potent pivot]

no telling

[spring bough]

Outlaw**

[topaz bobcat]

anything important to do next 2 weeks

other than buying honor gear

[spring bough]

Delves probably and just heroics

The guide someone linked in outlaw channel was pretty awesome for what we can do

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-P988ibclxaKCGrAcrx_v1X-hLdkCVUgy_ZFPzLNn_s/mobilebasic

[waxen moon]

hey~ any combo guide or pvp overall guide for assa?,

[surreal barn]

Are they soulbound

Or can I make money off these gems

[spring bough]

What the piece to add sockets?? Probably soul bound or atleast warband bound

[surreal barn]

The actual gems

[topaz delta]

Anyone else not seeing rewards for the 2 new PvP WQs today?

[spring bough]

Oh there’s a ton of new gems on the ah

[indigo hill]

Is it me or does the honor gain from wins feel low?

[spring bough]

They have primary stat gems now for this season

[surreal barn]

Oh we can’t just buy gems with honor?

[spring bough]

U have to buy the piece to add the socket to armor then gems are on AH

[surreal barn]

FFS

[spring bough]

There are tons of new gems

They went back to the old system where everything isn’t under “other” and it’s under the verse, haste, etc categories now

Plus the primary stat gems too

[potent pivot]

iceyveins

[worthy crag]

most likely soulbound lol

I dont imagine blizz would allow the sale of such stuff

[spring bough]

I’d be so rich if I could sell the items to put sockets on armor 😂

Be farming BGs all weekend for free gold if that was the case

[river pollen]

I hope they did something for the stealth bugs in this maintenance

Havent had the chance to play yet

[indigo hill]

Which pvp talents is Outlaw running>

[forest compass]

shoud i upgrade honor dagger?

[potent pivot]

nope

upgrades only affect pve ilvl

[forest compass]

ok

[topaz delta]

the new PVP WQs dont give rewards. or am I bugged?

[potent pivot]

brawler, take your cut, disarm/bomb

[potent pivot]

i'm not seeing any reward either

[spring bough]

Having bomb back for outlaw cause cloak no longer dodges is 🔥

Although I do get stunned all the time now so maybe the dmg inc after a stun one is better

[potent pivot]

1 more dungeon and my DK is finally done

[spring bough]

Gotta hit up some BGs after and roast people on that DK lol

[topaz bobcat]

when do u shiv as sub?

[potent pivot]

just to apply slow basically

[fallen wharf]

We going full honor gear regardless of stats because ilvl?

[potent pivot]

for right now yes, unless you happen to see wpvp gear with decent stats

[muted abyss]

yo, wtf is up with these pvp queue times for greater bgs?

[worthy crag]

when was the last time you wanted to q a greater bg?

Yeah, exactly

[potent pivot]

queue times are fucked for everything

and i don't think it's a people not q'ing issue

i can't even log out of my character right now

the AH is slow as fuck

there's technical issues afoot

[wintry dew]

doing sparks quest was a PITA

still not finished with weekly

[potent pivot]

yeah there needs to be a wpvp quest to pair with it

or something

[wintry dew]

You used to be able to do normal WQs for 10 points

[potent pivot]

yeah ik

[wintry dew]

i did all 100 points by killing rares and opening boxes

[potent pivot]

i had to legit fly around looking for purple mounds of dirt

[wintry dew]

and those stones on the floor

YES

[potent pivot]

for 5 sparks each mound

it was terrible

[fallen wharf]

Where do you pick up the new sparks quest?

[potent pivot]

the pvp area

i'm trying to decide if i finish leveling my druid and move to the next char

or if i farm more honor

[wintry dew]

ill be full pvp honor by tomorrow hopefuly

[fallen wharf]

I'm late catching up here, sorry. New pvp area in Dornogal?

[potent pivot]

i mean to get ahead on sockets etc

[fallen wharf]

I just don't see a sparks quest anywhere on the map

[potent pivot]

in the main city

it's not on the map

the guy is near the target dummies and honor vendors

[fallen wharf]

Got it, thank you

[shy nebula]

what's the biggest evis you guys have critted with ds sub

[potent pivot]

around 1.5

[shy nebula]

why am i only critting for 400k D:

[potent pivot]

gear? build?

no idea

[shy nebula]

im using the pinned build

i don't have that much gear, but i can get a 1.2m crit with envenom

idk why is not the case with evis

[potent pivot]

maybe it's your rotation

[wintry dew]

forgot to use the potion this whole time

aaaaaaaaaaah

[potent pivot]

don't worry bro i haven't used 1 yet lmfao

also forgot

[shy nebula]

with the big combo im using SB > CS > SD > TT > Evis > SS > ST > CP > Evis > CP > Evis

[potent pivot]

TT?

[shy nebula]

tea

[worthy crag]

Thats not triggering darkest night

u need one more evis

[shy nebula]

even if i do one more evis, it's crtting for 400k

[worthy crag]

Ur thistle would be over at that point

[shy nebula]

20% mastery equals 800k dmg?

[worthy crag]

Theres no reliable way of popping darkest night evis on your very first opener

I was hitting 720k evis at like lvl 78

Ur def doing something wrong

if ur hitting 400k

Maybe I was doing less but certainly over 400k

Just set up your dummy so it has all DSM marks spent with another 3, and pop your darkest night with finality eviscerate

[shy nebula]

ok ill try that

[worthy crag]

with cheap shot to proc find weakness

[shy nebula]

with that same combo, if i added SD TT Evis at the end, would it work?

[worthy crag]

It should, and yeah just stack all the amps

im assuming ur pressing symbols too

[shy nebula]

yes but i have it macroed with SD, i know it's not even close to optimal, but since im pretty new to sub rogue it helps me a ton

just like i macroed TT to SD

[worthy crag]

Its fine to macro the two. With vigor micro energy management with sod isnt rly a thing anymore

You only need to do it on a 100 energy build

[shy nebula]

i see

[potent pivot]

that's just 1 rotation i did rq

[shy nebula]

damn that's still x2 the amount im critting for

[potent pivot]

that was no badge no tea

[potent pivot]

that's with everything

i may have even been missing finality i didn't pay attention just then

[shy nebula]

Yikes

[potent pivot]

and i'm not even fully honor geared yet

[shy nebula]

As soon as i get out of this EBG im going back to the dummies

I just tried it on a poor soul that was roaming Wintergrasp

And I could swear I did everything I said on the combo

[surreal barn]

Are you using symbols of death

[shy nebula]

Correct

[surreal barn]

Is a butter knife equipped

[shy nebula]

It is macroed with SD

[shy nebula]

MAybe

[surreal barn]

If I could log I’d test it w you

[spring bough]

Man I don’t look at this channel for 20 min and there’s like 60+ messages 😂

[surreal barn]

Seems like you should be hitting harder, even if you only had 2 trinkets and the mh dagger

[shy nebula]

I'll come back in a few minutes after the ebg is over with a test on the dummies

[surreal barn]

Best to test on people imo

Find a hunter to beat up

That’s as close to a dummy as you will get

[winged sentinel]

this is the fastest moving pvp channel I’ve seen by far

[shy nebula]

I got non butter knives on now, and on the dummie I hit for 628k

Which is clearly better, but still half as much as NoTrickz

[surreal barn]

That with darkest night

[potent pivot]

the rogue community in this server is goated in general imo

[shy nebula]

correct

[wanton breach]

true

[potent pivot]

pve, pvp, transmog, we've got active discussions and other stuff going on all the time

it's pretty dope

[spring bough]

Rogue server >>> every other class server I been on and by that I mean DK and hunter

Hunter discord is…….

[surreal barn]

We are a different breed

Thick as thieves

[worthy crag]

Why is your details separating physical and shadow portion of evisM

Are you using a horribly outdated version?

[shy nebula]

huh

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot

Mathias is a funny guy

[worthy crag]

That low dmg ur citing only shows the physical portion, the shadowy portion is at number 3

[shy nebula]

I have it updated acording to curseforge

[worthy crag]

Check the other screenshot above with higher dmg, that has both portions consolidated

Thats why your number is showing lower

[surreal barn]

He pressed the down arrow

[shy nebula]

no but, the one that NoTrickz posted is just the collapsed version of it

yep

[worthy crag]

Is your collapsed version still lower?

oh nvm I see now

I guess i dont really know details in depth

Is your mastery like 0% lol

[shy nebula]

38%

47% inside a bg

[potent pivot]

no

[surreal barn]

Might be his talents

[shy nebula]

I'm using the talent build that's pinned on this very channel

[worthy crag]

There has to be something not done right

[shy nebula]

Yeah, for sure

I'm trying to figure out what

[worthy crag]

I mean i havent looked at the pinned build but I assume it has 7 combo points, thistle, danse and brew

The simplest way would be to have a recording tbh

[shy nebula]

Hm, I guess that could also work, I'll try to set it up

[surreal barn]

Is dance up during your darkest night hit

Or has it fallen off

[shy nebula]

i recast it

Ok, I got it up to 800k, I got video proof of my shitty performance agains the dummy

I didn't use CS, but that doesn't matter

Can I share it here somehow?

[worthy crag]

As long as you got find weakness from something else, sure

You could just tell us what it was that you were missing I guess

[shy nebula]

I'm not 100% sure, but if I had to put my money on something, I'd say I wasn't refreshing SD since when the last CS is over it still has less than a second of uptime and it wasn't refreshing (?)

I'm still a bit far from 1.2M but I'm getting there

[potent pivot]

is it just randomly snowing in Dornogal

lmao

[worthy crag]

Yeah pandemicking SD is a bit weird, you need like 0.5 sec remaining to be able to do it

[surreal barn]

There’s a stone that can change the weather, I always thought it was just seen on the players end

[potent pivot]

i had a random buff and it was snowing

but i didn't do anything special

won an epic bg, got out, it was snowing

[lapis steeple]

hey, self advertisement isn't allowed here, thank you

[potent pivot]

not the place

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot this is the hardest battle i've fought today

[potent pivot]

i actually hate how they have this set up............

it's so bad

[wintry dew]

I GOT 1

[wintry dew]

Btw i've read while ago something about weapon first week of the season or something like that

Can you confirm/deny?

[potent pivot]

ye free weapons

prolly gated behind some sort of quest or objective i'm not sure

[fallen wharf]

Being pulled out of stealth this much in BGs is really, really annoying. I think this bug is worse than ever.

[potent pivot]

but they won't take earned conquest as far as i'm aware

[spring bough]

2500 conquest earned

Then u can turn the quest in for a wep set

[wintry dew]

thats actually a drag

[spring bough]

So that’s what week three

[wintry dew]

yeah

[potent pivot]

they raised the cap

[spring bough]

When we usually went main hand week one

[potent pivot]

are you accounting for that

[spring bough]

Nope so two then?

[potent pivot]

think so?

idr how much they raised it by

they buffed conquest earned per game

and raised cap

[spring bough]

We doing trinks first or helm/chest/legs

[potent pivot]

to offset losing the vault

prolly dps trinket then chest etc

[spring bough]

Tier cata is open week one too right

[wintry dew]

yes

1 charge

+1600 pvp rating giving us the 2nd tier piece iirc

[spring bough]

Yeah ugh I might go tier week 1 lol

I know it’s crap for outlaw but still gotta try it anyways then prob switch to gear for stats

lol wow has a notice “we are looking into issues players are experiencing attempting to login, use AH, and access crafting orders” when aren’t they 😂

[candid tide]

this game needs duel cds resets

[jovial sundial]

Am I gonna lose too much going deadly poison via Dragon Tempered Blades? I just like it 😄

[wintry dew]

what are the 4 poisons you using with DTB?

[potent pivot]

you lose a metric fuck ton of bleed damage

[glacial aurora]

I've noticed a lot of people are taking sepsis on sub, could anyone explain why?

[potent pivot]

it's good

does dam, acts as a builder, etc

[jovial sundial]

deadly wound crip numb prob? never instant I guess

[jovial sundial]

😦

[potent pivot]

Play what works for you, I just feel you should know the facts

[worthy crag]

That is one sad face

[candid tide]

Everytime i use it enemy hp melts

[graceful ravine]

i gotta say im not impressed with subs dmg atm, at least not in bgs

i cant 100-0 someone w/ no trinket within my stun window

even at full cds

with assa i can

kill the whole team even lol

[potent pivot]

doing something wrong

Just from the sound of what you’re saying

[lime oar]

I will say it’s easy to fuck up if you’re used to how it was without deathstalker

And haven’t played much at all in ssn3/4 DF. (Me)

[surreal barn]

Acts as a teleport too

If you didn’t know 👍🏼

[potent pivot]

ofc i know, i just don't use it that way usually

doesn't work every time in my experience

but at least for what i'm doing it's a better global in dance

either way

[surreal barn]

I like it vs mages when you know they gonna blink

I haven’t gotten into their new utility but I need to

They seem insanely resilient

[potent pivot]

i haven't done enough looking into other classes hero talents still

[graceful ravine]

doubt it

assa dmg is way higher even in a 1v1 setting

[potent pivot]

nah

not when it comes to damage in a stun

no shot

[graceful ravine]

assa overall dmg is higher, dont need to kill in a stun

sub cant kill in a kidney window atm

[potent pivot]

1. no spec should kill in a stun
2. you have cheap shots

like right now it doesn't even matter because it's pre season

but i can assure you

[surreal barn]

Debatable.

[potent pivot]

perfectly played sub > perfectly played assa atm

[spring bough]

Zeiss as sub has definitely caught and smoked me in just a stun lol

[surreal barn]

A cheapshot not a kidney

lol

[graceful ravine]

sir i know how to play sub

[potent pivot]

not saying you don't

just giving you the facts

all 3 specs are in a really good spot so far

but if you put a mirror in an arena sub wins

vs more comps as well

[graceful ravine]

w/ 6 sec subterfuge 2 vanish, shadowmeld

This close the gap between subs toolkit vs assa

from what im seeing assa pumps harder than sub

based on 1v1s in bgs

assa can triple stun as well

jsut as easy with no shadow dance

[potent pivot]

in a 1v1 scenario it's sub all day idk what to tell you

if you want to pump aoe in a bg yeah sin is better for that by far

right now everyone has differing levels of gear

[graceful ravine]

im max gear

[potent pivot]

so maybe your perception is skewed

i'm talking about the people you're hitting

not you

[wintry dew]

I killed 2 warriors solo (both fury) 1v2

They spent the rest of the bg chasing me :c

[potent pivot]

gotta show em whats up

[spring bough]

In a heroic and this 80 prot war is doing 700k dps

[potent pivot]

yeah prot warr is going insane for some reason now

you sure he's actually spec'd prot

sometimes they q tank and swap

[quaint cedar]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[quaint cedar]

Feels so great to have Ace unnerfed again

[spring bough]

He was shield and all lol

[vocal surge]

Aye

[spring bough]

You should try trickster 😁

[quaint cedar]

eww

not until the animation lock on CDG goes away

[vocal surge]

You'll get used to it

Also you can move during it

[quaint cedar]

I'm fairly confident there's 0 value in being trickster

[vocal surge]

We can duel 1v1

Trickster v Fatebound

:3

[spring bough]

Can I watch

[quaint cedar]

trickster currently has anti-synergy with crackshot

[spring bough]

It don’t matter lol

Ignore some windows for a bit

[vocal surge]

They synergize with each other fairly well actually

[spring bough]

Still rips

[quaint cedar]

so what is the benefit you're getting then?

[vocal surge]

Mega

Fat

Rips of damage

[quaint cedar]

no they don't because CDG uses the nerfed value of dispatch when it triggers during crackshot so it's literally useless

[vocal surge]

It's so satisfying watching Unseen Blade slap

[quaint cedar]

you're getting an 11 point dispatch that's nerfed down to 40% effectiveness lol it's so fucking trash

[spring bough]

I’ve hit an almost 9mily crackshot window with it so far lol

[vocal surge]

CDG honestly deserves a buff

[halcyon timber]

Dunno if it stuck but protection had dstance penalty removed back in beta as well.

[spring bough]

That’s like 3mil over most health pools rn

[vocal surge]

But in regards to everything else about Trickster

It slaps hard

[spring bough]

It gives u 5 stacks flawless that’s all u need from it fk coup damage lol

[vocal surge]

I've nearly 100:0'd trio teams

[quaint cedar]

I'd rather the issues with it just be fixed. Remove the animation lock and have it use the normal value of dispatch during crackshot, not the nerfed value. Or at least just be coded to never trigger during crackshot at all idk

[vocal surge]

Coup doesn't trigger from Crackshot

[steep loom]

it doesnt trigger during crackshot

[quaint cedar]

It definitely did during beta

[steep loom]

not now

[quaint cedar]

So unless that changed then yes it does

[vocal surge]

Not in Retail

[quaint cedar]

There were no notes for it though

[steep loom]

we ninjas bruh

they ninja fix us

[quaint cedar]

Really? interesting

maybe it won't be total dogshit then

[spring bough]

If it triggers in a crack window I still hit coup then go back to BTEs so they do more dmg

[vocal surge]

^

[spring bough]

Even if KS is up in a crack window hit that over BTE

[quaint cedar]

but it won't trigger off the crackshot dispatches?

[spring bough]

It seems like it won’t work but it does idk how to explain it

[steep loom]

nope

[spring bough]

It literally rips

[quaint cedar]

ohh that's a big improvement

[steep loom]

yeah blow ks on cd no matter what

even in cs windows

[spring bough]

I’m doing like 800k DPS in skirmish

It’s kinda ridiculous lol

[quaint cedar]

Would be nice if these changes were ever documented lol

[spring bough]

I know undergeared and all but some geared still get smoked

[vocal surge]

Fatebound hits like a wet noodle compare to Trickster

In PvP

[spring bough]

I like that u gotta orient around KS. Kinda change up from Dragonflight rotation

[quaint cedar]

I disagree with that, I'm hitting plenty hard with fatebound

[spring bough]

I just wish KS had immunity

[vocal surge]

Only time you're ever gonna hit hard as hard as Trickster using Fatebound is if you go beyond 10 coins

[spring bough]

I keep going back n forth still fate does rip

[steep loom]

main reason i like trickster over fatebound is because of the KS usage

ks is actually decent in pvp nowadays

[vocal surge]

Ye, just not to the extent of Trickster

Especially in cleave

[halcyon timber]

Go beyond plus ultra

[spring bough]

Every full cp Ks is over a million

[quaint cedar]

no literally the coin itself just does a ton of damage, you don't need crazy stacks
And it's magic damage which is hugely beneficial to outlaw

[spring bough]

It’s nice finally got a big finisher

[vocal surge]

The coins do 150k to 300k damage

Unseen Blade for me does 200k to 400k

[halcyon timber]

Fate intertwined doing guaranteed 35% and lucky 7 slams too no?

[vocal surge]

Even if you use 7 BTEs, it wouldn't out pace Trickster

Who can pop KS for 2 Unseen Blades proc 2 more Unseen Blades, rip out a CDG and then pump out 7 BTEs with damage boosts

[potent pivot]

what are we saying does or doesn't do what exactly

??

[vocal surge]

While duplicating what seems to be effectively 70% of their damage with blade flurry on 2 other targets

[potent pivot]

are we just saying BtE doesn't consume Coup?

[steep loom]

yeah unseen blade does big damage and its not a build type of damage like coin. u gotta play with chance to get big dam with coin

[potent pivot]

or what

[vocal surge]

Which can be almost immediately arena ending if the healer doesn't break out of a CC chain

[steep loom]

Crackshot bte does not consume coup

[potent pivot]

this much should be obvious to everyone right

[halcyon timber]

Sick ass barbosa pic btw man

[steep loom]

should be

[potent pivot]

but Coup does proc during CS windows

[steep loom]

it does

[quaint cedar]

on beta it was doing that

[potent pivot]

you don't consume it

unless you dispatch

[quaint cedar]

during crackshot it would consume the CDG

[potent pivot]

i never had this interaction

[quaint cedar]

okay

[potent pivot]

but i tested very late into beta as well

[quaint cedar]

well it happened lol

[potent pivot]

like this past week

[hasty kelp]

i know i'm a new rogue but fury warriors are terrifying for me rn

[quaint cedar]

it was like that for at least a month or two when I was testing more actively

[steep loom]

Its a tiny amount of micro managment from crackshot windows, but if u stack up PS, and esp if u run GSW, u can fill whats needed with PS to not waste the KS guaranteed Unseen Blade procs

[halcyon timber]

Feint often and keep cool man

[potent pivot]

fury is really strong rn so not surprising

[hasty kelp]

I'm still getting used to deathstalker too

I kinda don't like it

[potent pivot]

but ye use your defensives and pump

[quaint cedar]

@vocal surge what's the playstyle for outlaw trickster? do you really do anything different from normal other than prioritize KS more?

[hasty kelp]

but i 100% forgot feint was useful there

[vocal surge]

KS and Coup prio over everything

And haste is pretty important to Trickster

[spring bough]

7 stacks of flawless is like 25% added dmg to finisher i think

[quaint cedar]

Ye I'm going crit haste rn

[halcyon timber]

Step to team mates / creatures / npcs as well

[spring bough]

And u get that from the first couple blades then coup auto 5

[vocal surge]

And your kill windows is every killing spree

If your able to CC healer

[quaint cedar]

anything special you're supposed to do to force coup?

like get it faster?

[vocal surge]

KS off CD is to the force coup

[halcyon timber]

Just KS

[spring bough]

Force more blades proc

So keep SND up

Hit KS

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/deepwind-dunk-brawl-replaced-with-comp-stomp-this-week-346239?utm_source=discord-webhook

@potent pivot

[vocal surge]

SnD can help proc via Thousand Cuts

[spring bough]

Resets blades cd from thousand cuts

[halcyon timber]

Yeah tc is nice

[quaint cedar]

do you take swift slasher?

[vocal surge]

Yes

[spring bough]

KS allows next two blades to ignore CD

[halcyon timber]

Flicker is nice in a moshpit

[vocal surge]

Double slow weapons for higher proc rates

[spring bough]

Yeah can’t not have swift lol

[halcyon timber]

But def prefer tc

[vocal surge]

On Thousand Cuts

[quaint cedar]

what do you drop? vers talent or heavy hitter?

[spring bough]

Verse talent I dropped idk about pirate

[potent pivot]

true dat

[vocal surge]

I have both of those talents

[spring bough]

What are you dropping for verse

[vocal surge]

Not gonna make the joke

[spring bough]

Link ur talents lmao

[vocal surge]

This is the build I run for PvP

[spring bough]

Yeah u don’t have verse lol

[vocal surge]

I was gonna make a joke about the vers

but decided not to lol

[spring bough]

He asked what did u drop? Verse talent or HH and you said you had both lol

[vocal surge]

Yeah

[quaint cedar]

lol

[spring bough]

I don’t understand lol

[vocal surge]

Dont dwell on it

[potent pivot]

[quaint cedar]

well guess I have to try trickster now

[halcyon timber]

Unbreakable stride is great

[quaint cedar]

thanks for explaining, I had no idea that it got fixed

[potent pivot]

what got fixed

[quaint cedar]

ngl I really like double grappling hook though 😦

trickster CDG proccing during crackshot @potent pivot

[spring bough]

I keep playing both the grapple is awesome

20 yard sap with trick is pretty neat as a trade off

41sec cd on blind too

If you take airborne

[quaint cedar]

ye but airborne is pretty useless in pvp

[spring bough]

I mean it spreads blackjack

6 seconds a crack window

[quaint cedar]

still you get a slight desync from healer trinket even without it which is nice

yeah but you lose regular blind

[halcyon timber]

Then some warrior breaks it anyway heh

[spring bough]

I feel like in arena I just wanna cleave off healer as it lol

[quaint cedar]

which sucks

[spring bough]

And I’ve been doing that and it’s working well and when all 2 on the healer an aoe blind kinda shocks it lol

[quaint cedar]

it's probably situational good as a peel

into melee cleave

or pet classes

[spring bough]

Has a 20 yard range too

[quaint cedar]

oh shit forgot you lose gouge too for airborne

yeah that's rough lol

[spring bough]

Yeah it is but I’m liking it so far gonna see how long it lasts in rated lol

[quaint cedar]

I still feel like fatebound will be better in a lot of situations but I'll definitely try trickster again

would like for both trees to be useful, more choices is good

[spring bough]

Coup still hits thru stuns if u get hit with it after pressing too which is kinda nice

Guess that’s a benefit of the GCD lock

[quaint cedar]

interesting, so once you fire it the damage goes off regardless

too bad KS still gets fucked by everything lol

[spring bough]

Yup

Need a petition for the immunity back

[quaint cedar]

I wish it would get the bladestorm treatment and be immune to CC but maybe that's too much

[vocal surge]

Honestly, not necessarily imo

It's the only way for Outlaw to actually do damage

on both Fatebound and Trickster

outside of Hero Talents

and drought windows for both energy and opportunity procs

[quaint cedar]

I think the sustain damage at least feels better than last season of DF

[spring bough]

You talking about KS?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[quaint cedar]

but yeah without CS or hero talent shit or KS you aren't doing any big chunks of damage

[spring bough]

That’s funny cause pve build doesn’t even recommend ks for fatebound they’d rather take verse lol

[quaint cedar]

burst in small windows is a lot more important in pvp than pve though

that's probably why

[vocal surge]

Killing SPree with sufficient haste now only takes 1 GCD to get through

[quaint cedar]

plus KS gets them killed by sitting in 1 shot mechanics

[vocal surge]

compare to DF where +100% haste is like 1.5 - 2 GCDs

[quaint cedar]

what's your haste at?

[spring bough]

At pvp level at 11% unbuffed

[quaint cedar]

mine is still like 4% in non pvp combat even with around half of my gear being haste

[wintry dew]

did around 500+ honor first Comp stomp

now i've activated the potion

[spring bough]

Then RTB 10% and stealth 10% so 31% when buffed lol

[vocal surge]

18% unbuff

[quaint cedar]

damn you went full haste? no crit?

[vocal surge]

43% with RTB and Stealth

[spring bough]

Why’d you go so much haste lmao

[quaint cedar]

seems overkill lol

[vocal surge]

To get to 20% unbuffed

for faster GCD outside of Stealth

[quaint cedar]

at least we all seem to agree that mastery is still garbo for outlaw

[vocal surge]

Its dps output is so low

Just getting my mastery to 0%

[wintry dew]

Legit, compstomp w1 is GG

[vocal surge]

my damage output almost tripled

[quaint cedar]

yeah I had some from my leveling gear and it was doing less than 100k hits lol

[vocal surge]

Aye

make almost 40k gold

from recipes lol

[spring bough]

I have 0 mastery rating

[quaint cedar]

I only have some from a blue wpvp quest item I got

still not fully honor geared but really close now

[potent pivot]

it's not

why do people do this weird ass shit i don't get it lol

only paying attention to the first two stats on a priority list

is just bad

[vocal surge]

It isn't because of a prio list

Just from playing the game

mastery does so little

[spring bough]

I’m running heroic dungeons as trickster doing 1 million boss dps 😂

[vocal surge]

in the face of everything going on

[potent pivot]

having some mastery is fine

i'd even go as far as to say having a little is optimal

[vocal surge]

Ye, a lil is fine

[vocal surge]

Authority of Storm PPM scales w. Haste btw

[spring bough]

Love to hear that lol

[potent pivot]

@outer sky

[outer sky]

Translation?

[potent pivot]

idk how to translate that any more

[waxen meteor]

Don’t vanish on 6 coins

Translation done

[potent pivot]

if you vanish on 6 of the same roll, and go to 8, you skip 7 and don't proc the capstone

basically what tarny said yeah

[outer sky]

ahok

I

[potent pivot]

they found that for assa

i'm going to test it on outlaw in a bit

[outer sky]

I'll need a WA to track that

[potent pivot]

lmao

[outer sky]

i dont see myself playing fatebound assa though

[waxen meteor]

I guess we are playing deathstalker on sin mostly?

[potent pivot]

just need a wa to track your number of consecutive rolls regardless really

[potent pivot]

ye but it's likely happening to outlaw too

that's why i'm going to test in a bit

[potent pivot]

yeah

deathstalker for sin/sub and fatebound for outlaw

[waxen meteor]

I kinda really don’t like the 1.5s vanish thing

I feel people start to chase you regardless of vanish now

[lucid citrus]

Deathstalker just feels weird for assa

[outer sky]

you can literally ignore deathstalkers mark

if you proc it great if not w/e

[lucid citrus]

oh yeahh? okayy that sounds okay lol

[potent pivot]

i think bare minimum we should track darkest night

just to lob an envenom whenever we have the buff

[potent pivot]

yeah it can feel especially bad in BGs if you're getting 5v1'd or something

i don't think it'll feel quite as bad in arena, smaller map, always have a team to back you up etc

[wintry dew]

slowly climbing

missing 5 items, 6 if we count OH

[potent pivot]

slowly? passed my rogue already

[wintry dew]

comp stomp man

legit

ez

[potent pivot]

i'm only missing 3 pieces and offhand

but 2 of my pieces are 623 wpvp from wq's

been too busy leveling other shit

[wintry dew]

I've yet to level my alts

[lucid citrus]

comp stomp is happenign right now so can kinda gearfakish lol

[wintry dew]

yeah farming my gear that way

[potent pivot]

1.5m darkest night envenom

still missing a couple honor pieces

that's basically our new kingsbane right there

in full conq gear will prolly hit 2m or close to it

[lucid citrus]

we still run KB?

[potent pivot]

i've just been testing stuff

been playing a bunch of different builds in BGs and on dummies

[wintry dew]

imma get ya

[potent pivot]

anyone ever figure out if these are giving rewards?

[outer sky]

you cant set it up as easily as KB. I really dont think you'll see many rogues playing around darkest night tbh but maybe I'll be wrong

[potent pivot]

it really doesn't take much to set up tbh

even if you're not trying to set up a kill with it, like with a kidney or whatever, you should definitely still track it to slam an envenom when it's up regardless of the situation

no way we just ignore it

[outer sky]

yeah i agree with that but like, opposed to kingsbane when you can press it literally any time

with this you have to proc it

and then you have 30s to use it

[potent pivot]

yeah ofc

i was just talking about the damage

[wintry dew]

gotcha

[spring bough]

So you can put viscous bloodstone on AH

10k per right now

Free gold for honor if u want lol

[potent pivot]

you need those for sockets though

the pvp WQs give 1k honor btw

this and 1k honor

[spring bough]

Yeah but can’t get them till season start. Gonna make some ez gold till then 😁

Pay for these enchants we gonna need lol

[potent pivot]

it was the same with the Heraldries

these

[spring bough]

Yeah

I made so much gold lol

[potent pivot]

when it comes to that much time investment i think i'd rather spend the gold lol

like buying 613 green gear would've been a complete waste of gold

so selling Heraldries was def fine imo

but sockets are going to take a lot of time commitment

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s gonna take a while lol

[potent pivot]

hell i'll probably buy the bloodstones myself

i have to gear minimum 2 rogues and probably DK+1 other class

[spring bough]

They got bought .1 seconds after posting lol

[potent pivot]

ofc

[spring bough]

20k ez

[potent pivot]

2500 honor or 10k gold

that's like

[spring bough]

10k gold a pop sold two lol

[potent pivot]

4 BGs at least?

[spring bough]

Idk but I have 5k honor again

[potent pivot]

do it to it

[spring bough]

Gotta pay for this radiant enchant 💀

They are like 80k a pop

[potent pivot]

could always just wait a bit

[wintry dew]

didnt give me shit when i did it

[potent pivot]

i definitely got 1k honor more than i did before i did it

[wintry dew]

i have 1 pvp wquest to do still

once i do it ill show you

im unlucky xD

[potent pivot]

i'm doing the 2nd one now

[wintry dew]

right now, all my right side is Honor gear

missing head/neck/chest/OH

[potent pivot]

i'm only missing shoulders/ring/offhand now

[jolly sierra]

stole some funny dices while was doing the daily chores in cata

[muted abyss]

full honor gear hour 1 lol, just xfered honor from other alts

[wintry dew]

i went from "NoTrickz i dont think i wanna farm" to "i'm 4 items away from full honor" in one afternoon

[jolly sierra]

character development

[muted abyss]

yup, that's how it feels on my alts lol

[muted abyss]

just have like 4 pieces to go. prolly just gonna play MM hunter and rogue

[potent pivot]

the second one didn't give me 1k honor

just valorstones and weathered harbinger crests

[wintry dew]

thats exactly what i got on my 1st one

[spring bough]

Stealth speed feels so unmatched with sprint up lol

So much better than a mount

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra @jolly sierra

Seeeeeeeexo

[muted abyss]

huh? what do you mean?

[spring bough]

My movements speeds over 220% or something

[muted abyss]

oh, as outlaw?

[potent pivot]

any spec

[spring bough]

As a rogue lol

[spring bough]

That plus the 30% sprint increase

[potent pivot]

only sub really takes it for arena

[spring bough]

And 1 min cd

[potent pivot]

but for BGs it's nice on any spec

[spring bough]

And sprint on CDR

[muted abyss]

ooh, I thought there was a hero talent or something I was missing

[spring bough]

Just always zooming as rogue lol

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOOOO

[muted abyss]

yeah, with sprint active, it's nice for sure

[spring bough]

257% speed lol

Yeah crazy

[potent pivot]

all i need now is offhand

[wintry dew]

:C

Imma get ya

[potent pivot]

maybe ill replace these 623 gloves

with 626 gloves

[wintry dew]

i wont go to bed before im full gear

its almost 3AM for me

[potent pivot]

i don't think i'll change my 623 chest for 626

[wise breach]

I was lied to! I got no honor

[potent pivot]

that is a decent chunk of agi though actually

[potent pivot]

i definitely did idk

[potent pivot]

sheesh

once you catch up to me you'll really be ahead

because i have to gear my 2nd rogue still

[wintry dew]

I really want my pvp season to be as small as 1 week

[steep kiln]

for gearing trinkets > dagger > then jewelry or doesn't matter really

[wintry dew]

Compstomp > stuff

[potent pivot]

trinkets->main hand dagger->expensive pieces like chest/legs/helm

the start doing jewelry and off pieces like wrist/belt/etc

[steep kiln]

thx. looked like a lot of vers was on the neck/rings so i was assuming

[potent pivot]

if you can afford 2 cheap pieces

instead of 1 expensive pieces

2 off pieces usually better than 1 main piece

but honor gearing is so quick and easy it barely matters besides trinkets and wep

conq gearing is where you gotta be a little more careful because of weekly caps

[steep kiln]

i have tik tok brain so i can only do 1-2 bgs at a time before i alt tab and tap out for a few hours

[hearty venture]

is the pvp build for assa correct?

taking indiscriminate carnage?

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

now that i'm planning to play alts more actively there's so many mogs i want to get for em

[wintry dew]

You getting that feeling of HAVING FUN?

[potent pivot]

indeed

[spring bough]

It’s fun running stuff like antorus and getting mogs for all classes on one char when they drop lol

[potent pivot]

this comes first i think