pvp

[hexed pewter]

is sin harder or easier to play in tww?

[golden island]

right now were using less cds...so i guess technically easier?

[candid tide]

do you guys running a 2.60 speed offhand also with sub?

[spring bough]

Yall missing out not trying trickster outlaw lol

Season start in two weeks

[lusty lion]

Thanks I prefer not ccing myself

[spring bough]

I’d CC myself all day long lmao. Trickster pumping

[lusty lion]

I'm just salty because other classes' hero talents feel so much more engaging than the little dmg peppered passively on top that we get on any of ours

[spring bough]

I convinced pirate to try trickster and he’s liking it

Give trickster a try it might surprise you

[lusty lion]

I used it for leveling as sub

[vocal surge]

Try Trickster as Outlaw

it loks bad

but its fun

[spring bough]

It was decent leveling but once you hit the stat levels with honor gear it went from like okay this is good to holy shit lol

[candid tide]

fk sub is op af

[somber plank]

Dude go windows are insane right now

speaking of trickster has anyone tried it on sub

Might run a few to see

in PvP*

[spring bough]

Since outlaw uses KS for it. Does sub use dance for those two hero talents?

Or is it like secret tech

[lusty lion]

Yea I might once I got everything for sub, because what else am I supposed to do. I do prefer the flavor of fatebound but we'll see

[lusty lion]

Secret tech, yea

[spring bough]

Feels like it’ll be melee heavy season. No parry gonna be nice

Yeah I would def try trick with sub. Just fking send secret tech every second it’s up

The more you send the finisher the more unseen blade procs and then fazed procs

[stoic spruce]

Actually mad they unnerfed ace

[lusty lion]

Is the context bgs or arena?

[balmy shuttle]

any thoughts on greenskins vs ghostly strike? dummy test: greenskins gives on average higher burst in opener, ~20-30k more overall dps and is easier to play, therefor should perform even better in real pvp scenarios.

[stoic spruce]

Ghostly Strike and its not even close

[lusty lion]

As a side noder I don't get to feel the value of trick over deathstalker I think

[balmy shuttle]

elaborate

[surreal barn]

Yep. Good

[stoic spruce]

GSW damage is so low that you don't even play around it the way its designed. Ghostly strike has very high uptime and ofc is on cdr. Over a course of a match, it'll make a huge portion of your damage.

GS also isn't in your combat logs for some reason

[candid tide]

they so gonna nerf sub into the ground

[balmy shuttle]

in details? it is for me though.

[candid tide]

wtf is this spec.. just spam maxed evis 24/7

[plush prism]

does anyone else use diminish? if its fully done is there a good replacement for it

[balmy shuttle]

idk my testing says otherwise (in terms of numbers)

[stoic spruce]

The actual strike hit yes but how much of the extra damage is the GS debuff

Doesnt show

[balmy shuttle]

Doest matter though if the damage of greenskins overall is higher?

[stoic spruce]

Idk if I'm being clear enough

No

Actually

Gimme a min

Surely GS is nerfed in pvp right?

[balmy shuttle]

dunno

[stoic spruce]

Looked it up, it's not

[balmy shuttle]

I don't think either of the two is

*neither

[stoic spruce]

Okay so that being said, the damage in your ghostly strike windows more than makes up for gsw. That's assuming you have okay uptime.

Would be omega troll if gsw was lol

Because of crackshot windows

Ghostly in crackshot windows goes hard

[balmy shuttle]

I think I play GS perfectly on dummy though. don't know how to play it more perfectly lol

[stoic spruce]

Well for starters, dummies are bad for this sort of thing since they have no armor or vers.
Secondly, what are you doing that makes gsw do more than gs?

[balmy shuttle]

why would armor/vers matter when I am comparing two talents? both are affected by armor/vers the same

"Secondly, what are you doing that makes gsw do more than gs?" that's the question

[stoic spruce]

Because one is a PS mod and the other effects every ability you have

And is an attack

In other words they're different lol

God I miss old gsw

And dreadblades

And flag

[spring bough]

The fact it’s not nerfed is 🔥

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I've never heard of gsw doing more dmg than GS. If that were the case, I'd have my non crackshot build.

[spring bough]

I’m thinking of dropping cto for gsw when playing trickster. Pistol shot damage is wicked rn

[stoic spruce]

We may have spoke it into existence

[spring bough]

Shhhh

Pistol without gsw highest crit was like 200k yesterday on one of the FTH hits

[stoic spruce]

Hmm

Wait

[spring bough]

With GSW it’s probably ridic

[stoic spruce]

Wayamin

I'm cooking

Nvm

[spring bough]

When pistol has FTH procs its combined hit is what like 300-400k?

[stoic spruce]

Right

[spring bough]

Add GSW to one of those maybe pushing 500-600k?

[stoic spruce]

But

[spring bough]

But you lose out on cto

[stoic spruce]

And ghostly

[spring bough]

Nope

[stoic spruce]

For crackshot

[spring bough]

Can drop cto for gsw

And keep crackshot

[stoic spruce]

No I mean you can't have HO/CS/GS/GSW

[spring bough]

And with trickster you just full send KS even if subterfuge is active

[stoic spruce]

Because you ain't running kir

[spring bough]

Just running the regular HO with KS

[stoic spruce]

Hmm

What about

Wait

Hold

[spring bough]

Pretty sure u can drop cto for gsw lol

[stoic spruce]

Yeah but cto is cool

But get this cook

CS/GS/GSW

[spring bough]

Yeah bro I just said that 😂

[stoic spruce]

You did not

[spring bough]

That’s what I’m doing later. Dropping cto for gsw for trickster

[stoic spruce]

HO with no heavy hitter is wild

[spring bough]

Trust

[stoic spruce]

Wait hold on

[spring bough]

Without it

I was gwtting 250k avg ambush crits

It pumps

Fuck HH

BTE crits were 600-700k. Dispatch was close getting 800ks

[stoic spruce]

Put HO on cto

It'll be funny

And sick

Trust

[spring bough]

Honestly that might cook cause you don’t BTE in subterfuge if KS is off cd

Wee tryna maximize killing spree here for more fazed and unseen. Keep SND up to refresh unseen procs too. And the flurry damage is just nuts

[stoic spruce]

Well if you're doing that, you may have to ditch aud and take TT

[spring bough]

Bro

Why you cooking

[stoic spruce]

Because aud without HO is a literal dps loss

[spring bough]

UH hitter too

Get rid of that nonsense

[stoic spruce]

No you need that lol

[spring bough]

Get blade rush, triple threat and cto

[stoic spruce]

Lmao okay

Screw it what could go wrong

[spring bough]

Honestly just looking at it ima go try it later lol

[vocal surge]

Triple Threat bugs out too often

[spring bough]

Nvm then lol

[vocal surge]

Remember what I said about the animation thing with Triple Threat?

[spring bough]

Yeah you right lol

[vocal surge]

it'll either do nothing, do 1 extra hit

[spring bough]

Def still trying GSW tho

[stoic spruce]

I didn't know it bugged

[vocal surge]

or do its actual full effect of 2 hits

[spring bough]

Apparently we attack too fast

[vocal surge]

I've been saying it since DF S3

[stoic spruce]

Based

[spring bough]

Cause we can get down to almost 1.0 atk speed with swords

And it sounds like if you wanna play trickster a sword in the OH is better than dagger

[stoic spruce]

I'm gonna cook so hard tomorrow

I'll find a build for yall dw

Stat % too

[spring bough]

I’m going to turn you into a trickster

I feel like everyone that’s like it’s not that good hasn’t done a real world test and they just looking at sims lol

[vocal surge]

^

They're looking at Theoreticals

[stoic spruce]

I never wasnt

That's a lie

I wasn't at first

But trickster is my ticket to non crackshot

Albeit still a pipe dream

And kir

I will make kir work

Mark my words

@potent pivot MARK MY WORDS

[spring bough]

I know. But some out there are lol

[stoic spruce]

They're are haters and they smell like onions

[spring bough]

If any hero class for outlaw will make non crackshot work it’s trickster

I feel like dispatch can hit for a milllion plus if u went KIR

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[spring bough]

If it’s doing 861k without the two dispatch talents

Then with them? To the moon

[stoic spruce]

If only they didn't nerf Opp proc

The bastards

[spring bough]

Honestly don’t even notice

Feel like I can easily hit ambush or sinister and have full CP

Same with pistol. Sometimes it falls one short but shit happens

[stoic spruce]

You still have last seasons tier no?

[spring bough]

No

626pvp ilvl lol

[stoic spruce]

I can def tell with the lower chance

[waxen meteor]

must be alliance!

[stoic spruce]

Get him!

[waxen meteor]

horde doesn't win any bg lol

[stoic spruce]

Real

[spring bough]

Tich ally at that too

[stoic spruce]

Gross

[spring bough]

You know how many war crates I opened over the last 4 days? Lol

[stoic spruce]

11

[spring bough]

Kul tiran too

[stoic spruce]

Based tbh

[spring bough]

Def more than a dozen crates lol

[waxen meteor]

is there 'blood coin' in tww?

[spring bough]

Shit the one crate on isle of dorm spawns in the PvP area

It was ally killing ally for the box

It was hilarious

[stoic spruce]

I think you mean "bloody tokens"

[waxen meteor]

yeah something like that

[spring bough]

People in say were like “STOP JUST OPEN THE BOX”

[stoic spruce]

☝️🤓

[spring bough]

Then you get the one guy like FU this a pvp area 😂

[stoic spruce]

Gosh yeah

Can't have shit lol

[spring bough]

I hit /1 with “get this priest healer” and he went back like bro I’m alliance 😂

[stoic spruce]

I hate those ffa areas

[vocal surge]

@stoic spruce look at how good Trickster feels

[spring bough]

Oh yeah pirate coming in hot with the clips 🔥

[stoic spruce]

Omg!

It barely moved :D

[spring bough]

Bro you KS that healer after the sap and he went like 50% to 0 😂

[stoic spruce]

That ending was hot

[spring bough]

Yeah that’s what trickster do lol

[vocal surge]

XD

[stoic spruce]

Okay

By the end of the expansion

[spring bough]

Outlaw doing BM hunter pet dmg crazy

I finally topped a BG overall dmg last night before I logged lol

[vocal surge]

You should see what happens when people stack on you

as you pump as Trickster

[spring bough]

Rogue feels back even tho it’s early lol

[stoic spruce]

Non-crackshot Trickster kir will be a thing

[vocal surge]

No words can describe it

[spring bough]

I bet it will

1 Milly dispatches

Going to go so hard

Followed by a 1 Milly plus killing spree

ER could cook for it

[waxen meteor]

havn't played law for long, what is that thing that reduces the killing spree cd by like 8 sec back and 4th

[vocal surge]

Fun fact

Trickster doesn't need 2 points into Vigor

[spring bough]

I’m loving all the flurry dmg it does too. Idc if people say aoe is whatever or fluff. It hurts people lol

[vocal surge]

Im running only 1 point Vigor

[stoic spruce]

Sick

[spring bough]

I still haven’t sacrificed the other point for lethality

[vocal surge]

should

[spring bough]

I will when I get home. That and GSW

Going to delete people into the ground

[stoic spruce]

How are you not running double leth

Tf is wrong with you

[spring bough]

Right now I’m 2/2 vigor 1/2 lethality

[stoic spruce]

You're sleeping outside tonight

Yeah you're sleeping outside tonight bud

[vocal surge]

XD

[spring bough]

Damn this 1 lethality point plus GSW gonna make me god tier DPS

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[spring bough]

Hopefully gears evened out by tonight then the real tests begin lol

[stoic spruce]

Well

Shit

Mechanically

Trickster needs crackshot too

[spring bough]

Should I try KIR with trickster later? Lol

[stoic spruce]

Sure

[vocal surge]

I wonder if the Crit damage is ontop of itself

or additive

[stoic spruce]

That's a good question

[vocal surge]

145% or 150%

@spring bough theoretically

The first shot of Fan the Hammer

should do x1.6 the damage of a full non-crit Killing Spree when it crits

That's assuming no GS btw

[spring bough]

GSW is what 200% increase. So if first crit is 200k then it would be 400k instead

Ontop of it hits what 3 times?

[vocal surge]

Only the first pistol shot gets the GSW effect

[spring bough]

So followed by like another 150k x 2 if lucky lol

[vocal surge]

the rest are normal FTH shots

[spring bough]

Yeah

It hits a total of 3 or 4 tho

[stoic spruce]

Could you imagine tho

[vocal surge]

Assuming Pistol Shot damage is 100% as the base

[spring bough]

Can’t remember how many times they hit

[vocal surge]

+120% from Quick Draw + Opportunity

Thats 220% Damage

[spring bough]

3 shots in total

[vocal surge]

+200% of that 220% means it now does 660% damage

[spring bough]

So if first is 400k then 150k x 2 pistol with GSW should be doing like 700k

[vocal surge]

+145% of that damage assuming it crits

[stoic spruce]

Bro

Heavy Hitter

[vocal surge]

Oh yeah

forgot that exists lol

[spring bough]

Pistol usually doing my third most behind dispatch / Ks

[vocal surge]

That's 1,779% Damage

[spring bough]

Damn I’d have to drop the two BF aoe talents for HH

No more full cp blade flurry’s lol

[stoic spruce]

Show build

We can help

[vocal surge]

+15% from Broadside +5% more from Grand Melee

[stoic spruce]

Dude

GSW stocks are up rn

[vocal surge]

and +15% from GS

if we have that talented in

[spring bough]

It would be this build but move deft and dancing steel to blinding and heavy hitter

[vocal surge]

With all those multipliers

[stoic spruce]

Windows+shift+s

[vocal surge]

Pistol Shot does 2,470% Damage

[spring bough]

lol

[vocal surge]

And if we're going to be even more dirty

vs purely spellcasters

[spring bough]

Ight we cooked

[vocal surge]

we can take Sting Like a Bee

[spring bough]

GSW trickster later all night

[stoic spruce]

Kir

[spring bough]

Gonna get this sword OH get more haste hit 11% haste lol

[vocal surge]

Assuming no pvp multipliers on it

2717% damage

+12% from Dagger in the Dark

[spring bough]

Think we could give up float?

[vocal surge]

and +10% from Turn the Tables

only vs Casters imo

and I mean double dps caster comps

So with all those multipliers added up

We have a grand total

of 3,347% Damage increase to Pistol Shot

on Crit

[spring bough]

So what’s 200k pistol crit for the initial shot times 3,347% lol

Nah that don’t seem right. So technically technically ur saying pistol could hit for millions? Lol

[stoic spruce]

Syntax error

[spring bough]

33x 200k is like 6 mil

[vocal surge]

with:
Dagger in the Dark x6 stacks @2% damage amp each additive
Turn the Tables (get out of a stun), 10% damage amp
Ghostly Strike 15% damage amp
Sting Like a Bee +5% when stunning a target

Greenskin Wickers +200% Damage Amp
Opportunity + Quick Draw Mod +120% Damage Amp
Heavy Hitter +10% Damage Amp
Lethality +20% Crit Damage Amp
Surprising Strikes +25% Crit Damage Amp

Grand Melee: +5% Damage Amp
Broadsides: +15% Damage Amp

[vocal surge]

You're assuming thats not already modified by Opportunity lol

[stoic spruce]

Sting is nerfed

By 50 percent

[spring bough]

I mean even a pistol close to a million for the initial hit would feel dirty

[vocal surge]

Ok

[spring bough]

GSW might make it tricksters top dmg lol

Other than flurry lol

[stoic spruce]

Math will be off, Sting is nerfed in pvp

Sick

[vocal surge]

Its 3195% with Sting Nerf

[vocal surge]

Duplicate that Pistol Shot damage btw

onto 2 other targets

from Blade Flurry + Nimble Flurry + Grand Melee

which is 50% base + 20% + 10%

[spring bough]

Stop making me want to leave work to test this out 😂

[vocal surge]

I wonder

does Nimble Flurry add a straight 20%

or +20% of what Blade Flurry has

[stoic spruce]

Okay goodnight

I got one last work nighy

[vocal surge]

goin' to beed?

[stoic spruce]

Yeahhh

[vocal surge]

F

[stoic spruce]

My 7th night

[vocal surge]

How many days off after?

[stoic spruce]

7

[vocal surge]

Aye

[stoic spruce]

It's sick

[vocal surge]

btw

[azure rapids]

when do we get pvp quests?

[vocal surge]

Fatebound can push that pistol shot damage far beyond Trickster

assuming you use up that once in a life time luck

to score 99 heads for 201% damage boost

[stoic spruce]

The hardest part about this is being stunned at a full stack of dagger while also having ghostly and broadsides

[vocal surge]

and Grand Melee

[stoic spruce]

Well

Idk about yall but GM loves me

And that feeling is not mutual

I stg its every other roll

[vocal surge]

True Bearings and Skull n Crossbones love me

[stoic spruce]

At least you get 2

[vocal surge]

Aye

[stoic spruce]

Alas

We should try this in a duel and see

[spring bough]

I think it’s just straight 20% inc

[vocal surge]

So Blade Flurry gets to do 80% damage

to 2 other targets

[spring bough]

Only when flawless form is active tho

I wonder what uptime is looking like on flawless

[vocal surge]

100%

[spring bough]

Ima def be checking that on details later lol

Is it a buff on us or on target?

Hopefully on us so we can track it easier

[vocal surge]

On us

[spring bough]

I’ve longed for a day when I could press pistol like the old blunder buss days and just watch someone drop dead lol

Might be happening later 😂

[stoic spruce]

I bet a GS->Kidney->KS->BtE->PS melts

[spring bough]

Sounds hot

[stoic spruce]

You'd have to build tho

[spring bough]

Then back to spamming BTE for the last what 3 seconds

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk

[vocal surge]

Healer: Sees everyone at 100% HP "This is fine"
Not even 2 seconds later: "EVERYONE'S ALMOST DEAD!" Arena UI showing everyone at 10% to 20% hp lol

[spring bough]

Have you been going at healers?

Just cleave off them it’s hilarious

They can’t handle healing themselves plus the two dps lol

[vocal surge]

it depends on game to game

some games I gun the healer down

other games I force them to overheal as I train wreck the other DPS I schizo swapped targets to

[azure rapids]

are we crafting pvp items yet?

[vocal surge]

Season hasn't started

[stoic spruce]

If by "crafting pvp items" you actually mean "figure out what flavor the mystery flavor twinkie is" then yes

[vocal surge]

I have an idea on what to craft

For embellishments

[stoic spruce]

It's red twizzler btw

[vocal surge]

For Trickster Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Cook

[vocal surge]

2p Fury of the Stormrook
While in combat, there is a chance that lightning will strike nearby. Gathering the orb of lightning left behind will infuse you with the Fury of the Stormrook, granting 3,128 haste.

Or
Adrenal Surge Clasp + Nerubian Embellishment
Taking damage has a chance to grant you an Adrenal Surge, causing you to gain 1,468 Agility and lose 310 Mastery for 12 seconds.

Nerubian Embellishment doubles that effect

[spring bough]

I’m using the cheap aoe dmg enchants right now for weps and it’s doing a lot of dmg

Is that main stat one out yet?? Feel like that might be better

[vocal surge]

How much it doin?

It is

Radiant Power

[spring bough]

Like 7% of my overall

It was right behind bte damage for the enchants lol

[vocal surge]

Lol

[spring bough]

Authority of storms

Was critting for avg 300k

I put it on both weps. Might keep it for now

And I only used the rank 1. Can’t imagine what rank 3 is doing

[pearl dune]

where are my assa and sub players

dirtyu pirates mucking up my pvp channels

[vocal surge]

Lol

[pearl dune]

which spec is bursting the hardest btw is outlaw overtuned with shit gear kek?

[vocal surge]

Not overtuned

[pearl dune]

o nooo

what ever will we do

play warrior

the real overtuned spec

class

[vocal surge]

You mean Death Knight?

[pearl dune]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUU

demon hunters in month when all the other flavors get nerfed

[vocal surge]

DH I've seen do 2M DPS ST

Casually touches my teammate for 2 seconds and they drop

[spring bough]

DK is going to be absurd this season

Those four horsemen of the apocalypse are no joke

[spring bough]

Plus DW frost deletes

[topaz bobcat]

which crafted pvp pieces do we want over conquest gear?

[spring bough]

I think overall the embellish gear is all around 1% DPS inc. Hopefully can choose whatever this season and it’ll all be similar

[vocal surge]

I forgot to mention something btw

Imagine double

Dps trinkets

XD

Badge of Ferocity + the passive trinket proccing at the same time

[spring bough]

Would you do that on a race other than human though?

[vocal surge]

Would.

[spring bough]

Cause im tryna haymaker people all season and not be a human lol

No more night elf to smash another crackshot window lol

[vocal surge]

What about velf?

Converts 5% of all damage done into shadow damage

Or shadowfrost, forgot what damage type it is

[stoic spruce]

That's the undead racial but better

[vocal surge]

Which maybe affected by our set bonus

[spring bough]

That’s def gotta be modified in PvP for void elf

[vocal surge]

Outlaw
Rogue Outlaw 11.0 Class Set 2pc - Your Sinister Strike, Pistol Shot, and Ambush have a 20% chance to Ethereal Rampage, dealing 15% increased damage as Shadow.
Rogue Outlaw 11.0 Class Set 4pc - Ethereal Rampage additionally increases the damage of your next Between the Eyes by 6%, stacking up to 3 times.

[spring bough]

Iffy about set bonuses this season if we can’t hit stats with it. Isn’t it like nerfed to 25% in PvP still

[vocal surge]

Copy n paste stopped working reee

Your abilities have a chance to empower you with the essence of the Void, causing your damage and healing effects to deal an additional 5% as Shadowfrost for 12 sec.
(Proc chance: 33%, 1m cooldown)

No PvP nerf on void elf racial

Yeee

[spring bough]

Ah I thought that was just 5% straight lol

Everyone would be one if that was the case lol

[vocal surge]

Both set bonuses are nerfed by 50%

[topaz bobcat]

outlaw is not dumpster tier after nerfs?

[vocal surge]

50% slash to proc rate on 2p and damage Amp of 4p

[vocal surge]

What nerfs?

[spring bough]

They brought dmg down on a few abilities by what 5-10% after buffing the class overall like 20% last week. Aent no nerfs lmao

[vocal surge]

Oh that

I thought that was a buff

Lol

[spring bough]

Yeah that was big buffs

But cause they reduced dmg on dispatch or whatever everyone thinks we got nerfed

[vocal surge]

[vocal surge]

Guys...

I think im going schizo :c

[spring bough]

What does the option for arachnophobia turn the spiders into?

Might do it cause it’s probably funny asf

[vocal surge]

those giant crab bois

[candid tide]

guys does this last till use or is there remaining time on till expire

i cant see any idication for it too on the buffs lists

[waxen meteor]

pfff pvp weekly -> get honor from rated arena

rated arena -> where

[vital crane]

do you guys use a different keybind for shadowstrike and backstab

or same hotkey ?

[spring bough]

What if I have kabourophobia

This is gonna turn into a deep hole endless settings 😂

[vocal surge]

XD

[spring bough]

Do they have the new bloody tokens out today?

Wondering if the PvP bloody token WQs dropped

[lime oar]

same button

make stealth bar identical basically

[indigo hill]

Is it me or are both DK and Frost mage hitting crazy hard?

[vocal surge]

They are

Jeez

Fury Warrior just

1 tapped DH

from 70% to straight 0

[plucky escarp]

huh

can you even q rated rn?

[inland thorn]

What stats do we want

[spring bough]

Fury warrior doing 1 mil executes and if im not mistaken it either hits twice or AOEs now. Cause the one I saw last night had like 5 casts 8 hits

[vocal surge]

Aye

[inland thorn]

Assuming we play every spec

[spring bough]

Did they add back the rated tab so we can play rated blitz till the season starts??

[lyric shell]

uh idk if anyone else is undead but seems like touch of the grave is pulling me out of stealth if i have rupture on someone in bgs lol

[lapis escarp]

"seems" ... Yeah, it's been happening for years

[lyric shell]

definitely never noticed it before

only been playing since vanilla

[inland thorn]

Guys please I'm on my knees idk what honor gear to buy

[lapis escarp]

If you try to Google there is been something related to touch breaking stealth in every expansion

[inland thorn]

What stats does outlaw and sin need

[spring bough]

Outlaw is haste till 10-15% then verse then crit then haste and probably little to no mastery

With buffs if you hit 25% haste GCD goes to 0.8s

[candid tide]

do u guys think assa should run haste gear?

[inland thorn]

So if I wanna play assa afterwards it'll be dogshit

[candid tide]

or vers and mast

[spring bough]

Sin and sub definitely need more mastery than outlaw. So yeah would def need some extra pieces

[inland thorn]

I know sub doesn't need haste at all so either way I'm kinda fucked

[spring bough]

And then don’t forget the sword for outlaw lol

I usually start outlaw then get sin gear for fun once my outlaw is done gearing

[candid tide]

think haste is purely for outlaw

since outlaw has haste buffs with rolls imo

sin really needs vers and mastery better

[spring bough]

I miss the days when I could have the same gear and go freely between the specs lol

[spring bough]

Just go trickster outlaw and say screw sin 🏴‍☠️

[inland thorn]

Yeah I'm probably gonna do that

Trickster outlaw is what I've always wanted to play

I'm really sad the spec is a failure in pve

I hope they fix it eventually

[spring bough]

Immunity back on KS would be nice

And it’s like they already had it so they just gotta add it back

[errant ibex]

whats the tldr on pvp for assassination? can anyone suggest a good guide?

[inland thorn]

From what I've gathered envenom and mutilate do piss damage so we mostly rely on bleeds and kidney on cd

It's essentially pve, you maintain your bleeds and stop people from healing your damage

[spring bough]

I think tricks was hitting 1 milly plus envenoms last night in minimal PvP gear. Looks like envenom can do some damage

[inland thorn]

Just spitting back out what I've been told

[spring bough]

Idk what build he was but envenom was ripping lol

[lusty lion]

any of you trickster outlaw hype bois can give me a build

[spring bough]

Sure I’ll link it in a sec

[inland thorn]

are you playing kir or ho

[spring bough]

HO for now

Def gonna test KIR later with trick

[inland thorn]

kinda not sure if I wanna play with crackshot in pvp it kinda feels strange

[spring bough]

CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDmZGzMDmZGmhBzYmZMzMtNjZZGAAAAAAstNzMjHYmhFmZZMAAAAMzMAYMbGGyAzGL0CbGA

Couple of mods u can do. 1/2 vigor to 2/2 leathality. Never drop swift slasher. And maybe cto to gsw can be a thing but gotta test it

With trickster send KS full CP every time it’s off CD even if you’re in a subterfuge crackshot window

Always want SND 100% uptime too

[plucky escarp]

does not appear so

[spring bough]

RIP to that weekly rated quest then lol

[plucky escarp]

oh blizzard you silly geese

[inland thorn]

Doesn't 1mn20 blind go hard in arenas

[spring bough]

I use it more for BGs really screws up a melee mosh pit lol

Can flip between airborne and gouge for arena or bg

With trickster blind is a 45 second CD kinda wild

[inland thorn]

I'm not sure how I feel about crackshot

in PvP at least, in pve it's one of the funniest mechanics I've been blessed with

How do you use KS?

Do track your coup de grace at all?

[spring bough]

7CP KS every time it’s off CD cause it causes faze to your target and you wanna stack and it can reset unseen blades internal CD

[spring bough]

Nope. I just send them as I get them lol

[inland thorn]

Fazed targets can't parry

Does that count with arms dbts?

lmao

[spring bough]

The new rogue WA I got tracks the unseen blade hits and flawless form stacks too

[spring bough]

Arms dbts?

[lyric shell]

die by the sword

[lusty lion]

die by the sword

[indigo hill]

Hope we can win

[spring bough]

Idk would probably have to duel it. But that would be immovable object meets unstoppable force scenario 😂

[inland thorn]

as if we needed even more tools to shit on arms

[spring bough]

I’ve seen a ton of melee so far

Having no parry is gonna be hella nice

@vocal surge did you factor in 25% added dmg to combo point generating abilities to the PS boost math u were doing earlier?

[vocal surge]

From what source?

[spring bough]

Trickster talent

Surprising strikes

“Combo point generating abilities deal 25% inc damage to fazed targets”

[halcyon timber]

Love that talent

[spring bough]

Oh shit it’s critical strike damage

[halcyon timber]

Yep it amps it a bit but doesn’t make it silly

[surreal ravine]

WA ?\

[spring bough]

https://wago.io/s2JVzLWHs

[surreal ravine]

oh thx

is that for pvp ?

[spring bough]

I’ve probably used all of them. Luxthos, aefenar and others and I like this one the most. It’s for everything

Has all your defensive tracked and CC cooldowns too

[potent pivot]

nope, none of those are designed with pvp in mind really

some people use em anyway

[vocal surge]

already factored in

[spring bough]

One thing I like is the stealth duration bar then it pings a warning sound when it’s just wearing off

[inland thorn]

I actually kinda like gsw

with your build

Crackshot keeps procing it

[spring bough]

Oh yeah??? Doing numbers on pistol??

What’s the highest gsw crit lol

[hexed pewter]

what's the opener rotation on sin?

[potent pivot]

just get bleeds up on as many targets as you realistically can

cheap->garrote->ambush for Deathstalker's Mark->rupture

[hexed pewter]

thanks! and then should i keep using mutilate for crimson tempest or just envenom?

[inland thorn]

I'll hit a dummy after my comp stomp

[inland thorn]

Only CT on 2+ targets to apply the bleed otherwise you can envenom

[vocal surge]

@spring bough GSW Pistol Shot does ~540k at its peak

[potent pivot]

not true

[spring bough]

And that’s just first hit right? So then if it crits two more times for say 150k a pop. That’s a 840k pistol and that’s what dispatch is doing when buffed with fazed lol💀

[potent pivot]

you can apply CT then envenoms, after you've consumed all of the Deathstalker's Marks you want to use a max combo points envenom

i guess they're nerfing the lvl 70 scaling tomorrow

[vocal surge]

@spring bough

[golden island]

no more dungeon leveling?

[vocal surge]

There's ya Pistol Shot damage

[spring bough]

Yeah GSW looks like it cooks. Do you notice not having cto?

[vocal surge]

100%

feels slow

[spring bough]

Time to level my next 2 alts tonight 😂

[spring bough]

That’s not good if it feels slow lol. Maybe need more haste if running that

[lime oar]

How big are darkest night evisc hitting with all cooldowns/dps trinket up ?

[spring bough]

Some blizz dev def changed that scaling to level all their chars 😂

[vocal surge]

It's because if you dont score True Bearings on your RTB

or ideal RTB buffs, you don't get as much CDR

as with CTO

[spring bough]

Sounds like that’ll be an okay just wanna blast build in BGs but prob not for arena

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[lusty lion]

@spring bough What does wowhead team mean by quirks

[spring bough]

No immunity to anything on it anymore so in pve u can get killed during that

Or pvp u can get CCd out of it

Then you also have to drop 3% verse talent for it. But eventually that won’t matter w gear

If they added back 100% immunity for its duration I think people would come around lol

[lyric shell]

what are the wep enchants for sub called

[hexed pewter]

im having hard time learning rogue/sin, is there any good streamer i can watch to learn?

only sin spec

[potent pivot]

not sure yet until people test them a bit on live, but possibly the Radiant one

[potent pivot]

not many streamers that main sin rn no

[lyric shell]

yea just browsed on AH big primary stat on that one. Might just go cheap version of that and vers for now I guess

Thank you

[potent pivot]

you should be able to 2x whatever the best one is, but if you're going to mix them i'd prolly go for the mastery proc over the vers proc

[lyric shell]

oh ok, thanks lol

[spring bough]

Do we have a world first 80 earthen dwarf yet or is that still time locked

[lusty lion]

@potent pivot Do you subscribe to this outlaw trickster propaganda they've been spreading all afternoon (EU time)

[potent pivot]

nope

[surreal barn]

Yuge

[foggy void]

its nerfed 60% in pvp

[lusty lion]

based

[potent pivot]

it's still +20%

[spring bough]

Try it then you’ll see. You’ll join the dark side lol

[potent pivot]

fatebound just does too much dmg for outlaw

[surreal barn]

His name is literally notricks

He ain’t ever rolling trickster

[spring bough]

Idk pirate was telling me he was whooping up on fatebound outlaws. Tricksters the no parry kings

[potent pivot]

it might have it's place into very particular comps

like vs ww

[spring bough]

Oh I blasted some WWs last night he. Absolutely smoked them lol

[potent pivot]

just don't see it being better than fatebound in arena

[halcyon timber]

Wind wankers

[candid tide]

do you guys ever use shuriken storm often or black powerder for dmg on sub?

[potent pivot]

you can unbind black powder

[candid tide]

lol

[spring bough]

My goal for season 1 is have a trickster rogue ranked over fatebound on the leaderboards 😂

[potent pivot]

but shuriken storm sometimes yes

[candid tide]

because after we apply deathstalker we get 1 ehanced shuriken storm

idk if its worth

[potent pivot]

i mean it doesn't matter what a good player plays

a good enough player could play with 0 hero talents and top the board

[surreal barn]

@outer sky you played a lot of beta yes?

[potent pivot]

nah i wouldn't worry too much about that i don't think

[outer sky]

Yep

[surreal barn]

In shuffles could you switch hero specs

[candid tide]

aye

[surreal barn]

Like each match

[outer sky]

Yes

Yep

[surreal barn]

Lmfao

[potent pivot]

it's the same thing as swapping a talent

[spring bough]

They def gonna lock that aent no way

[surreal barn]

So I could deathstalker vs melee cleave and then go tricksies vs cloth in the same shuffle

That is hilarious

[outer sky]

Yes you could lol

[spring bough]

We are going to get that locked by switching hero specs too much lol

[surreal barn]

That is broke as hell

[spring bough]

I tried doing it in a BG and it won’t let u

[surreal barn]

Im talking about the shuffle rounds

[spring bough]

But I guess u can before arena match rounds start?

[surreal barn]

In the starting room

[lusty lion]

yea in the starting room

not in the middle of the match

[cunning dune]

do you gear haste now as outlaw

[candid tide]

k rogs full geared

war next

[tardy magnet]

what are stats for sin?

[spring bough]

I feel like they will lock that somehow. But then again they probably can’t do solo divisions for each hero spec there’d be too many

[potent pivot]

!stats

[potent pivot]

^

[cunning dune]

ah okay ty

[candid tide]

it would be nice to be able to switch hero talents during arena games idd

[surreal barn]

It could just stay as what you queued up as

[potent pivot]

just aim for at least 10% haste, Take em by Surprise talent gives you another 10% during Crackshot windows

[surreal barn]

Unlocked paladins are gonna rock

Little scared 😱

[potent pivot]

they're already insane

[spring bough]

I hate that ret paladin has ranged abilities

[potent pivot]

ret is doing ridiculous dam

[candid tide]

i got 46% mastery and 20%+ vers on sub

[spring bough]

Like you’re a melee fking melee stuff

[surreal barn]

Yeah. Can just swap to super support spec

[spring bough]

No 30 yard holy spell bs

[surreal barn]

“Oh they are gonna train my lock. Let me just swap”

[tardy magnet]

i love you

[vocal surge]

Me: "Finally a geared group of players"
Players die in 3 seconds of being targetted

Me: "Bruh."

[spring bough]

Why do I feel like scaling on everything got screwed up

How long until they realize epic bg elites one shotting people in full pvp gear

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

there we go

oh wow all the gear i had in my warbound bank is deleted

how lovely

[halcyon timber]

Full greens, definitely intended for when people have actual conquest gear.

[surreal barn]

I fucking hope not

I put all my shit in my warbound slit

SLOT**

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's affecting everyone

[halcyon timber]

XD zeiss

[potent pivot]

but all of the prepatch gear especially, became soulbound and got deleted

for some people

[surreal barn]

Maybe I’ll just buy a computer at microcenter while I’m down on vacation

[safe pelican]

Used my Epic Edition lvl 70 boost on an outlaw rogue motherfuckers

You’re welcome

[potent pivot]

_>

[surreal barn]

I can’t live vicariously through you all I am trying

[potent pivot]

no laptop?

[safe pelican]

Let’s be honest outlaw is actual dog poop & being able to mog two swords carries the entire spec 🥱

[surreal barn]

I’d rather buy two full fledged gaming desktops than a laptop with the gimped gpu

[halcyon timber]

XD

[potent pivot]

it's just convenient for traveling

[spring bough]

Sounds hot

[safe pelican]

Made an undead rogue , I immediately regret this decision and i now I must level a blood elf rogue to 80 from 0 today

[surreal barn]

Wait have they unbanned GeForce now

Can I do streaming?

[spring bough]

I’ve put everything from my bags in my warband bank that could go in it……

On all my chars………

[surreal barn]

Deleted?

[potent pivot]

might wanna go check

[spring bough]

No idea I gotta wait to check in two hours

[potent pivot]

all the boe's i put in it are fine

[lyric onyx]

weekly quest just appeared for me in EU

[potent pivot]

well

[lyric onyx]

skirmishes

[potent pivot]

the boe bags

other boe's are deleted

like gear

[spring bough]

I had like 20 BOE 34 slot bags

[potent pivot]

yeah my bags are fine

[surreal barn]

If they come out with a warbound app

[spring bough]

In my warbank. I had all the marks of honor too

[surreal barn]

That would be nice.

[spring bough]

And a bunch of warband gear

[potent pivot]

where? you mean appeared when you did a skirmish or

the big pvp weekly shouldn't be out until after reset

[lyric onyx]

near the pvp vendors

the ruffius dude or whatever

literally appeared in last 10 mins or so i think

[lyric onyx]

hang on im in skirm

[potent pivot]

yesterday it was comp stomp for us

but i randomly got it after completing one

never saw it from the guy

[jolly sierra]

what is the rewards for the sparks?

[surreal barn]

About to try it

[jolly sierra]

what is it?

[surreal barn]

GeForce Now WoW streaming

[potent pivot]

500 honor

[lyric onyx]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

weird

[lyric onyx]

ill take it

free honour

[potent pivot]

right right

the epic bg quest rewards 500 honor as well

[lyric onyx]

its just this one atm for 350 honour and some rep

no war mode quest or anything like that

[jolly sierra]

xd

[potent pivot]

the sparks says it has to be done in Hollowfall though

and there's no wpvp wq there

lol

[potent pivot]

there's been wpvp WQ's

i've already got 2 pieces of wpvp gear

[lyric onyx]

oh yeah ive done those

meant like sparks for EU

[potent pivot]

ah

[jolly sierra]

whoa

[surreal barn]

Seems addons don’t work… but I guess methadone is better than no heroin at all

[potent pivot]

they were both vers/mast too so couldn't pass it up lmao

[potent pivot]

erm

uwotm8

[surreal barn]

This wow is an addiction I say

Smh. GeForce now has better graphics than my rig at home

Embarrassing

[spring bough]

We can get tokens now???

[spring bough]

Been paying since 04 😂

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

Oh god I don’t even wanna math how much I’ve spend on subs since 2004 😂

[potent pivot]

these are strictly WQ rewards

[spring bough]

They teasing us

[rotund pumice]

You need the highest tier for add-ons

[spring bough]

I feel like I should have equity in blizzard. Since 04 woulda spent $2k minimum on sub fees

[surreal barn]

Ah. That’s fine w me, I’m currently dealing with the no mouse issue.

[safe pelican]

Did you pick these up in Dorn ?

[spring bough]

Is the new world boss up today or is that not until season

[wraith harness]

Is sub the go to rn?

or too early to say

[waxen meteor]

yeah for NA guys, there's a chest piece too

[potent pivot]

ye

[potent pivot]

yeah that's what i linked

[potent pivot]

all 3 are looking good

[cunning dune]

@potent pivot is there a a talent command in here

nvm checked pins

[wraith harness]

Also lads

[waxen meteor]

god, i am changing main to ne in a bit

world pvp is unplayable with horde now

[wraith harness]

I'm coming from a competitive pvp background in other games and have no trouble with improving and such. Having also played wow PVE on and off for a while.

Would starting a PVP journey as a Rogue due to its difficulty be a bad first choice? The clunkyness of using Thistle/CB/SB/Racial/Symbols without macros feels bad af

[waxen meteor]

every crate, there are like 12381208312018 more alliance there

[spring bough]

Feel the wrath of the alliance 💀

[lyric onyx]

maturing is realizing alliance > horde

[cunning dune]

is bloody token vendors out for NA now?

[rigid seal]

What spec are you guys currently running?

[spring bough]

I started at horde in 04. Now I won’t go back 😂

[potent pivot]

no

[potent pivot]

all of them

[potent pivot]

if you come from a competitive background then you probably realize it's going to take hard work and determination to get truly good at any class in the game

if you believe you have enough technical gameplay skill, you will shine much more on a rogue

[wraith harness]

yeah the ceiling is high, but the barrier to entry or well learning the fundamentals on rogue first would be a bit worse than starting with something like a DH to learn the game and then progress into the more mechanical aspects of the game was my thought process

I'm basically asking if I should start learning the game as Riven or Annie and if it's a valid comparison

[potent pivot]

my personal opinion is playing another class won't really help you learn rogue in the long run, like playing dh for example is do different

playing alts will help you learn the game as a whole

[lyric onyx]

I think if you're here asking about rogue, I'd just start as rogue.. Start as you mean to go on

[potent pivot]

but if anything you should just play sin or something until you get the feel for rogue in general, then swap to sub, if that's what you want to play

you should just play what you think is going to be fun for you

[wraith harness]

Ah shit I got my point across wrong mb

I meant like, learning arena in general is one thing, learning rogue is another

To get good as fast as possible, I should be focusing on the fundamentals of the game rather than be stuck on class specific mechanical things

[lyric onyx]

but you approach arena in entirely different ways on each class

[wraith harness]

and i am asking if rogue is one of those classes where there's going to be a big mechanical approach

[lyric onyx]

So learning arena on DH might not help you on rogue

[potent pivot]

every class has it's own mechanics

like the only spec in the game you won't need to worry so much about class mechanics is a DM hunter or something and trying to play that in arena just because of that is just brain rot

[rigid seal]

Trickz, if you don't mind me asking.
Spending on Sub rogue, when do you really wanna use Secret Technique? I feel like its super awkward having 4 spenders and I don't really know the priority

:((

[potent pivot]

4 spenders?

[rigid seal]

snd evis secret

nvm 3

[potent pivot]

and rupt

[rigid seal]

Well kidney if you count it as a spender but not really

yea

[wraith harness]

got it

[potent pivot]

i don't really cound SnD as a spender now since evis extends it anyway

but you don't press SnD mid Dance or Kidney even if it's not up

that's for sure

if you're KT doesn't already have rupture on it you can use the combo points from the First Dance on Rupture

[rigid seal]

Ah yea, that makes sense tbh

[wraith harness]

regarding arena, what's the way people play with arena 1,2,3 vs focus macros? Say I have a button to swap focus target (which everyone has), and I want to use blind on target 3, what is the optimal thing here? is this why ppl have 3 binds for each ability in arena?

[potent pivot]

if playing Sepsis your first globals after kidney/rupture should be Sepsis->Secret Tech (during Blades)

[wraith harness]

Some streamers have 3 buttons for each spell, which I assume is for a123, do you need this on all abilities that you would need to use on a123?

[potent pivot]

so basically you want to press sepsis/sectech early in your dance window atm

strike/evis later because of Danse Macabre stacks

[rigid seal]

Gotchu, thank you so much for the info

[potent pivot]

i only do that for blind specifically

i have 3 macros for /target a123

3 macros for /focus a123

and 3 macros for /cast blind a123

i have focus modifier macros on some spells

[wraith harness]

really unfortunate how much friction there is to even having to set that up on each character including ui just to play arena

just reading that alone

[potent pivot]

i would not bother setting all of that up as a beginner

just play the game, get a feeling for it, once you have things more downpat, set that stuff up

[wraith harness]

I've played PVE for ages, just not PVP

idm adding a few modifiers and getting used to it

[potent pivot]

so you have a basic understanding of class abilities already

[wraith harness]

yea

I'd like to get my stuff done already now

[waxen meteor]

Current BG is horrible in a way...

[wraith harness]

so I don't have to re-learn bad habits

[waxen meteor]

It looks like not tested product...

[wraith harness]

if I do my macros now, it will be easier to learn them etc

[waxen meteor]

in the heroic island, broke the gate, then 40 guys cannot kill the boss lol

[wraith harness]

u pref to put these in a row?

like CTRL-1, CTRL 2, CTRL-3

for target or focus

[potent pivot]

yeah epic bgs aren't worth q'ing rn

[potent pivot]

yeah

i use alt-mouse buttons

[waxen meteor]

built 40 kills adv, and sent it back because all killed by boss

[lyric onyx]

lmao are we that weak

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah oh yeah but for this single instance i think alliance got same issue....

having 40 kills lead, broke gate, then -20

now we are killing the 400 to zero lol

[waxen meteor]

that boss is like heroic lick king in wlk or sth

[wraith harness]

idk how I would fit 9 buttons + focus modifiers now

I've bound p much everything I can reach

[potent pivot]

alt?

S1,2,3 look unused

i'm not seeing Q,E,R either or am i blind

[wraith harness]

Yeah the open buttons are open

[potent pivot]

oh i see them now

[wraith harness]

10+ alt modifiers

alt I usually dont bind due to when playing casters to self cast

but I guess as melee u can freely bind them

good point

[potent pivot]

this is how i bind

all my N1,2,3,4etc are mousebuttons

meld supposed to be on my SF

[spring bough]

What do you have strafe on?

Idt I could ever give up Q or E for strafe lol

I do have shift+W, E, Q tho

[potent pivot]

i strafe with A and D

[spring bough]

I still use those to turn when I’m not using my mouse 💀

[potent pivot]

keyboard turning is super inefficient imo

[jolly sierra]

i disabled keyboard turning too

and im crazy af cuz im a little ambidexterous with that so im using direction arrows

alongside my ability binds

to move sometimes

[potent pivot]

o.O

[spring bough]

Definitely is lmao. I only do it rarely. Used to do it back in the day then figure out mouse movement was a thing and that changed everything

Oh the days of WASD moving and clicking buttons

[potent pivot]

i've been considering swapping W to abilities too tbh

like oldschool reckful binds only using Z,X as strafe and using mouse to move forward

[spring bough]

Shift W is for health stones on all my chars

Shift Q is that shadowstep to focus kidney grip back to original

And shift E just regular mouse over shadowstep

[potent pivot]

first bg of the day and i dc not even a minute after start

i guess it's gonna be that kinda day again today

[spring bough]

I was def in a BG with someone lag switching the other day

It would be fine and every time I went after one specific character it would freeze and jump

[wraith harness]

thats all ur binds? O.o

no shot

[pearl dune]

What hero talent is sub taking for max burst

[potent pivot]

…?

[potent pivot]

Both seem good so far but it’s hard to tell because not everyone is fully geared, any build will one shot someone in pve gear

Deathstalker is really good and was the better pick during beta

[pearl dune]

I see

Verse mastery here i come

[wraith harness]

I have more bars than u and I need more even, are u not missing smth?

[potent pivot]

My a123 macros are in a diff picture if you scroll up further and I use modifier focus macros

[wraith harness]

Im confuse here

ah

[potent pivot]

Basically all my focus abilities are just ctrl+the original bind for the ability

Like focus kidney is ctrl+N3

[celest jacinth]

is sub the way to go for this season?

[peak jolt]

Any weekly pvp quests going on?

[surreal barn]

Highly recommend FrameSort

[shy laurel]

what spec do u recommand for pvp those days?

[surreal barn]

You can incorporate @healer variables instead of 123

Also @friendlyDPS

Etc

[potent pivot]

Play whatever spec you prefer

All 3 are good rn

Rated season hasn’t even started

[potent pivot]

^

[shy laurel]

thnx

[potent pivot]

Yeah I was actually considering it

[outer sky]

So word on the street is sub is BiS right now?

[potent pivot]

I’ve just been playing this way for so long

[surreal barn]

It puts my healer in the top slot every time and even auto puts tricks of the trade/freedom etc on my dps friend

[potent pivot]

Imo a good sub player beats a good sin/outlaw rn but it depends on comp as well

Lot of people been saying subs the best atm but realistically if you aren’t really good at playing sub you’ll get stomped

[spring bough]

def get its good. the pvp addon has settings for it too

[surreal barn]

Once health pools are up we will all be bowing down to our speiest overlords

Spriest*

[potent pivot]

Yeah my only issue is right now I can swap my focus. If I have @healer in my macro I can’t swap that

[surreal barn]

Ctrl is healer for me and alt is enemy dps 2

Yeah only really good for 3s

[glacial aurora]

Haven't played in a while, how's subtlety for pvp rn? What hero talents are people running?

[potent pivot]

It’s good, and deathstalker

[glacial aurora]

I see, what makes deathstalker good?

[potent pivot]

Defensives and damage

Adds a wall to both evasion and cloak

And does good dam

[outer sky]

Shadow step CDR is nice too

[potent pivot]

I guess they’re fixing level 70 scaling with reset tomorrow

Might be a good idea to start an alt tonight beforehand

[spring bough]

You can finish one in 3 hours lol

That 5% is nice and it’s noticeable. 15% was like 70-73 a level per instance lol

[potent pivot]

My Druid is 74 but I might start my DK for a few levels instead of going for the extra 5%

[potent pivot]

Feel like you gotta get lucky and find a group that’ll spam re q for that

If queuing as dps at least

[spring bough]

Random finder was pretty good to me. Lots of groups lasted 2-3 runs. A few lasted like 10

[outer sky]

unless you dinged 80 idk why you wouldnt just keep spam queueing them

[potent pivot]

People leave all the time if they have other things to do, are still questing on first toon, or if the group was just bad lol

[outer sky]

imagine a bad group for normal lfr dungeons

[potent pivot]

You’d be surprised lmao

I had one that was so bad on my rogue I just left 5 minutes in

[outer sky]

on my dragon i queued into a group at level 72 and all 5 of us kept going until I hit 80 except for the helaer who dinged 80 one dungeon before I did

[potent pivot]

I’ve had a couple groups re q but never that long

[rain crown]

The aoe shadow strike thing does big damage on the trickster tree in dungeons

Deathstalker seems so lame in comparison

[spring bough]

I have horror stories lmao

Some groups…. Woah

[outer sky]

less opportunity for get value out of it in an arena

[potent pivot]

deathstalker also gives sub a little low target cleave dmg

[rain crown]

@outer sky the coup seems like it hits decently hard though and all you get out of death is a 20 percent buffed eviscerate?

[spring bough]

Rank 2 authority of storms was 11k gold so I said screw it and got one

This enchant crit for 747k 😂

Ally currently fighting in /1 cause they killing each other over the pvp box again 😂

[potent pivot]

The crate spawn in the wpvp WQ area or something?

That happened when I went to do the WQ

[spring bough]

yeah