got all the enchants on my rogue ready
#pvp
muted abyss
lol, I just xfered honor from my other capped alts, almost full honor gear 🙂
20% fee sucks, but w/e
calm heath
Any galaxy brainers out there have any thoughts on how Deathstalker is going to work in higher ranked PVP? Seems like a huge issue to make sure to keep the buff up through extended cc and gimp yourself on target swaps unless you burn a vanish
marble crag
Doe the deathmark stacks eventually go away? whats the timer?
thinking of blitz with many target swaps
calm heath
My info might be old
marble crag
if you hit someone with stacks and they rub away and you have to change targets but cant mark someone else because someone else has the stacks up it would suck
calm heath
Thought it was 30 seconds
marble crag
oh thats fine then
calm heath
The problem is really target swaps
potent pivot
Doe the deathmark stacks eventually go away? whats the timer?
it's 60 seconds
Darkest Night is 30 seconds
calm heath
Also ambushing from stealth is still kind of shitty since you either have to ambush first then hope you aren't immediately CCd from stuns or garrotes or garrote/stun from stealth and hope you aren't immediately CCd from ambushing
I just kind of hate the deathmark mechanic application in a PVP environment
marble crag
it's 60 seconds
ouch. By then the fight is over.
marble crag
Also ambushing from stealth is still kind of shitty since you either have to amb...
True, you waste 3s or so until you can actually garrote which sucks.
potent pivot
you can buy all the recipes for honor now too
so crafted gear should get cheap fast
muted abyss
you can buy all the recipes for honor now too
yup, didn't stop me from selling them for 200k a pop lol
potent pivot
prolly in the next few days
potent pivot
yup, didn't stop me from selling them for 200k a pop lol
lucky
i need to learn how to do professions asap
spring bough
viscous flask of honor
inc honor gain 15% for 1 hour
on AH
can consume 2 for 2 hours duration
rated / unrated environments too
muted abyss
oh nice
spring bough
bout to go buy a whole stack
potent pivot
viscous flask of honor
yeah i bought a few earlier in case they spike in price
q taking longer than before launch
spring bough
i have 4 ques going
bro double grapple is going to save so many rogue lives
got me out of range of this ret
restealthed sapped healed up then smoked him
peak jolt
Don't suppose there's an AH in new town?
peak jolt
sweet
spring bough
56,46 for a waypoint
peak jolt
With the exception of a couple lua errors, I finally got my addons back how I want them
floral scaffold
whats the weapon enchants for us?
spring bough
lol these comp stomp bots are too funny. dropped smoke to cap LM and it turned around
potent pivot
whats the weapon enchants for us?
Won’t know for a while
floral scaffold
ok thanks
spring bough
theres gonna be a dmg one, one that gives primary stat with dmg, and then the secondary ones
lusty meteor
Fastest honor griind comp stomp rn?
spring bough
comp stomp is like 320 honor a win. BG wins def more
lusty meteor
kk ty
potent pivot
theres gonna be a dmg one, one that gives primary stat with dmg, and then the se...
There were some really weird ones on beta
muted abyss
man sin feels awful lol
potent pivot
Some were also trash while one or two were disgusting
muted abyss
maybe it's just this tichondrius premade, idk
I'm getting my shit kicked in and barely doing anything to this lock
I think it's just their shield
peak jolt
kinda hate that trickster breaks CC
which is sad, 'cause I like that one more than deathstalker
muted abyss
hunter hitting for 3M aimed shots lol
peak jolt
xD
potent pivot
hunter hitting for 3M aimed shots lol
Even the comp stomp hunter bots are wild lmao
Aren’t guilds region wide now?
Or is that later on in 11.0.5 or something
muted abyss
man, even CB kingsbane only hitting for 500k
potent pivot
Yeah it’s just a full aoe dot rot build
After more live testing I’ll have multiple builds for each spec in the faq
muted abyss
awesome, thanks!
were basically just hitting garrotes out of stealth, then keeping up rupture and deathmark for burst?
seems like not a lot of buttons to press with this build, but I'll check it out :3
muted abyss
comp stomp is quick with geared folks
spring bough
Yup
muted abyss
greater bgs also give the 1000 honor quests too
so worth queuing up for those as wel
spring bough
Yeah that’s like 9 min Que rn
muted abyss
also Vicious Flak of Honor for about 600G 1 hour of 15% more honor gains
muted abyss
I'm just doing mastery enchant cause it's cheap
some of these enchants are insanely overpriced rn
not worth with no rating to push
spring bough
160 honor an arena win
Me and some MM just crushed an ele before he could hit a defensive then cleaned up the DH
peak jolt
greater bgs also give the 1000 honor quests too
where? inside the bg?
spring bough
Yeah in WG
peak jolt
I see
muted abyss
Yeah, Ashran and WG
spring bough
1k honor quest there and I think in one of the others
peak jolt
idk, feels pretty fast to just spam comp stomp for honor atm
new item every other game or so
peak jolt
oh?
muted abyss
it's easy when you can aimed shot from stealth for 3M crits lol
followed up with 2M rapid fire
spring bough
I recorded it
Fated coin did 2 milly damage
Did my highest lol
Hunter did 2 rapid fire casts for a total of 2.5 mil
muted abyss
what's the stat prio for outlaw?
spring bough
Vers > crit > haste
potent pivot
were basically just hitting garrotes out of stealth, then keeping up rupture and...
Huh? You gar are rupt as many targets as possible
And keep up as many as possible at all times
potent pivot
what's the stat prio for outlaw?
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 25% Haste on Outlaw for 0.8s GCD during ADR.
muted abyss
Okay, so M+ basically, got it
potent pivot
Yes they changed adrenaline rush
Now it only shortens your gcd if you have enough haste
spring bough
You need haste now
Didn’t think we needed more than 10%? Cause RTB talent and take em by surprise
peak jolt
It has higher prio than crit
this is not true for sub, is it?
potent pivot
Didn’t think we needed more than 10%? Cause RTB talent and take em by surprise
Yeah but that is higher prio
spring bough
If we got 10% base then with talent and RTB buff we got 30%
potent pivot
this is not true for sub, is it?
No read what I said about adrenaline rush
peak jolt
oh right, mb. Multitasking here xD
potent pivot
If we got 10% base then with talent and RTB buff we got 30%
I’m still not sure about the 10% yet
But that’s prolly good
You also don’t need to worry about the rtb haste while you have the vanish haste
Having 1 at a time is fine
potent pivot
That’s nothing 
peak jolt
oof. Feel like I need to re-learn sub somewhat. Or I guess they did change a little since Shadowlands
spring bough
He bursted this MM faster than he could trinket
outer sky
doesnt look like the rogue changes are live yet
potent pivot
ye, servers didn't reset
peak jolt
doesnt look like the rogue changes are live yet
what changes? 😮
potent pivot
what changes? 😮
the changes that were announced earlier this week
outer sky
ye, servers didn't reset
so tomorrow?
potent pivot
all the pvp modifiers that were mostly buffed, besides outlaw
potent pivot
so tomorrow?
if they haven't been in this whole time, yea
muted abyss
man, evokers are so slippery. feels awful to play against them
outer sky
if they haven't been in this whole time, yea
theyre not
outer sky
man, evokers are so slippery. feels awful to play against them
I'm having a blast on mine. Devestation's hero tree, Scale Commander, is so good. You get a 45 second CD on deep breath and every time you use it, it resets BOTH your hover charges
muted abyss
I'm having a blast on mine. Devestation's hero tree, Scale Commander, is so good...
honestly it would be fine if pres wasn't also busted lol
I wanna play whatever class can counter the lizards
outer sky
I wanna play whatever class can counter the lizards
any melee that can train the shit out of them
peak jolt
the changes that were announced earlier this week
got a link?
warped gate
If you got that Early Access 80, get in on this Comp Stomp honor, shit is as free as the USA.
potent pivot
got a link?
warped gate
Which means not as free, but more free than the other playlists. 
potent pivot
If you got that Early Access 80, get in on this Comp Stomp honor, shit is as fre...
that shit is kinda overtuned depending on your gear
if you don't have any gear at all it's slower than BGs
can't pick your team either
warped gate
You actually gotta work for it a little bit, but for the most part we're stomping it.
potent pivot
with a premade group?
warped gate
Nah, just randos.
I go to LM, smash those guys, glider to farm, and hopefully we take it, then it's a 5-cap.
That's been my last four matches.
I got that crafted PvP gear, I'm assuming most everyone else does too because hey, not much else to do these past couple days.
outer sky
If you got that Early Access 80, get in on this Comp Stomp honor, shit is as fre...
I'll join if you still need people
potent pivot
theyre not
i think they are bro
outer sky
potent pivot
my envenom tooltip is staying the same
spring bough
Bro how do you compress your vids
I can’t even link mine it’s like 100x the file size
outer sky
I can’t even link mine it’s like 100x the file size
its only a 13s clip
but yeah @potent pivot if the changes or live combat stam would be 12% not 15%
potent pivot
maybe some changes are in
and some aren't
envenom dmg on tooltip is staying the same
outer sky
so?
warped gate
that shit is kinda overtuned depending on your gear
Ahhh man, you jinxed it, this is the first one out of five we actually gotta work for. 
potent pivot
kingsbane DoT damage is also staying the same
potent pivot
kingsbane initial hit is reducing 20% instead of 32%
outer sky
kingsbane DoT damage is also staying the same
crackshot tooltip isnt changing to account for the buff
peak jolt
ngl, kinda hoped that covenant abilities disappeared after shadowlands
golden island
sin using the pinned build? feels ....not great?
potent pivot
sin using the pinned build? feels ....not great?
how so
golden island
i liked kingsbane to have another go every min...just deathmark feels less ?
golden island
ah
wanton breach
so is kingsbane* atm
potent pivot
kingsbane does piss dam now
golden island
so dots it is then
outer sky
they buffed it by 12% and its doing the same dam lol
potent pivot
outer sky
I'd probably still take KB in 2s but not 3s
river pollen
posting this for myself as reminder and others
river pollen
some nice fella just gave me some and told me about this xD
wanton breach
potent pivot
i'm just kiddin
river pollen
wanton breach
i havent checked yet, are pvp vendors selling stuff now?
peak jolt
yup
potent pivot
yeah
warped gate
i havent checked yet, are pvp vendors selling stuff now?
The minute it hit, the items dropped.
I swear I heard a coin sfx when it happened.
outer sky
I feel like our class tree is too linear. There should be other pathings to the capstones. Like why wtf do I have to take leeching poison come on
river pollen
so im looking at different pvp guides on sub rogues online and it seems like everyone is fighting over the importance of vers vs mastery
in dragonflight vers was an obvioious better choice or was it always like that
maybe this expansion we rely a lot more on bursts so we have to focus more on mastery?
worthy crag
ever since dark brew build came into the meta, it was always mast > vers iirc
except alternative builds with echoring reprimand and cold blood and goremaw
and rotten
I don't think it's worth it to "fight over vers vs mastery" right now, those are the only 2 stats that matter and gears already come with 2 stats
peak jolt
so given the choice between 2 honor cloaks (1 with more equal vers/mast vs the other with more vers than mast), you'd go the first one?
worthy crag
so by default those 2 are always what you want
river pollen
ever since dark brew build came into the meta, it was always mast > vers iirc
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
worthy crag
in that case, i would go for equal mast or more mast
peak jolt
I see
worthy crag
So like a lot of pvp vendor pieces (esp rings/necks) have a lot more vers than mast, so you'd see some players go for the crafted ones with equal values in both
because they want more mastery
river pollen
so by default those 2 are always what you want
yea i asked that to myself after seeing the 2 options for the honor cloaks, one is more balanced on mastery vs vers and the other has a lot more vers and less mastery
i guess ill chose the former
muted abyss
Well, realms are down lol
muted abyss
Yup, the streamers are still up though lol
river pollen
same haha
spring bough
I’m in a bg lol
muted abyss
it kicked out people
Not even the epic edition gives you special login privelages lol
river pollen
i guess i shouldnt queue rn
spring bough
So some other class doing some buff that takes me out lol
potent pivot
Yup, the streamers are still up though lol
looks like asmongold might not be 
potent pivot
So some other class doing some buff that takes me out lol
try to make note of what buffs do
muted abyss
looks like asmongold might not be <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
he's a variety streamer and let's chat streamer anyways lol
potent pivot
maybe we can make a list and start reporting daily lmao
spring bough
Had a unique sound
potent pivot
he's a variety streamer and let's chat streamer anyways lol
yeh i just went down the list rq to see
spring bough
Don’t know which one
warped gate
venruki still up
AND UP GOES VENRUKI
muted abyss
Retrieving character list boss rn
vital crane
!unstealth
muted abyss
Casters aren't gonna get nerfed quickly enough tbh
golden island
so youre saying level my lock?
muted abyss
rogues get nerfed the next day lol
remember when ER was broken for less than 24 hours
spring bough
Wait to see this overall when we win lol
It’s stupid
like idek what im looking at. that was on twin peaks too lol
muted abyss
Just close game and log back in, fixed the character screen bug
potent pivot
oh i closed it like right when it started
i guess the loading screen wouldn't let me back in until the bg was over
yeahh i guess i'm just takin' a break
restive hemlock
remember when ER was broken for less than 24 hours
That ER was busted AF. Was killing people in the opening cheap shot...
potent pivot
outer sky
That ER was busted AF. Was killing people in the opening cheap shot...
back in SL?
restive hemlock
Yea
outer sky
I've always felt like if they ever nerf something that's timegated or locked behind a grind of some sort they should make the catch up to another option instant
like nerfing kyrian like that after we already got the conduits
and farmed renown
only so we had to do it all over again
muted abyss
That ER was busted AF. Was killing people in the opening cheap shot...
Yup, it was more just an issue of how much control AND damage that sub had
outer sky
for another covenant
spring bough
oh that 626 pvp ilvl soooo sweeet
muted abyss
booted again lol
last jasper
lmao, went for skirmish and 1h of honor pot gone 😄
spring bough
6.7mil health XD
potent pivot
lmao, went for skirmish and 1h of honor pot gone 😄
like something cleared it?
last jasper
like something cleared it?
yea, it was gone before the gates open
last jasper
feels weird. the dam is close to what it was on beta with full conq.
on both mage and sub.
potent pivot
it's just clearing the buff
potent pivot
like entering/leaving an arena/bg
it usually clears certain consumable buffs
and it's clearing the honor pot when it shouldn't be
muted abyss
lol, look at the tooltip of the flask buff , it's broken too
blizz does no QA for pvp
last jasper
yea, ah is lagging like hell
outer sky
so apparently warriors have this
which is basically fatal intent
except it does damage
This is fatal intent damage on 3 people total
last jasper
wait, the pot can be purged?
yea, skirmishes. Works fine on bgs
spring bough
its like they got double execute
potent pivot
so apparently warriors have this
nice
game just keeps getting more and more fried man i swear
i've been so hype and trying not to let the insane amount of broken/bad shit get me to doom
but god damn lmao
outer sky
<@339519002961248258> fatal mark sucks
yeah it's nerfed by like 70% in pvp
potent pivot
still does a lot more than our version
last jasper
yea, duel is bugged too. 3/4 im just alone in my duel
outer sky
still does a lot more than our version
way more
topaz delta
sub homies, we going dual daggers?
last jasper
wait, is this was meant to be 20% only?
potent pivot
sub homies, we going dual daggers?
ye
outer sky
wait, is this was meant to be 20% only?
its nerfed from 60% to 20% in pvp lmfao
topaz delta
vers/mast is the way?
outer sky
vers/mast is the way?
yes
topaz delta
sweet
last jasper
its nerfed from 60% to 20% in pvp lmfao
jesus christ
outer sky
Also lol I queued a skirm and I queued onto a team with these 2 multi glads and weve just been spamming skirms for honor. We're on a 14 game win streak and most of the time we win in the opener it's fucking hilarious
topaz delta
badge or insignia?
outer sky
insignia
potent pivot
what
topaz delta
as sub?
potent pivot
as sub you def go badge
topaz delta
ya was gonna say
spring bough
even in full pvp gear the guards on flags in AV one shot
literally cant even win these epic bgs lol
warped gate
Opposite faction should be in the same boat though. :>
warped gate
Also lol I queued a skirm and I queued onto a team with these 2 multi glads and ...
Nice, I just ran into that famous Ret whose guides I followed when everyone and their mom rerolled during the rework — Vanguards.
Everyone in the BG was all creaming themselves that he was there and mans didn't even type a single word back.
outer sky
love it lol the server all of my pvp toons are on is the one server that's offline
potent pivot
love it lol the server all of my pvp toons are on is the one server that's offli...
There’s a message on bnet about authentication server issues
I’ve been locked out for half an hr
outer sky
There’s a message on bnet about authentication server issues
yeah I see but it's only this one server it seems
last jasper
funny even with ea they managed to fcked it up
spring bough
time for yall to come to TICH
potent pivot
Most EA players are likely on + all the added regular release players
Kinda figured this would happen ngl
last jasper
Yea, some are still on. But they are spreaded.
unique bronze
what are the stat priorities for Outlaw currently? is mastery still good? haste meh?
last jasper
when df laucned we had server crashes etc. then ship to dragon isle bugged for like 15 min untill blizz added a port
spring bough
trickster outlaw kinda wrecked an arena lol
also that AH pvp cloak did 1 mil damage i didnt think that would work in arena lol
we cleaved off healer
disc priest couldnt handle the cleave lol
golden island
whats the cloak called?
golden island
cool
surreal barn
Don’t see it
spring bough
i had to click the cloth cloak then browse each
muted abyss
man, what's the assa single target rotation, once you get garrote and rupture up, it's like nothing other than spam envenom
spring bough
then one of them had the equip on it
golden island
man, what's the assa single target rotation, once you get garrote and rupture up...
shiv then envenom...bigger envenom
spring bough
if we can add stuff like that to a conquest cloak
im 10000% adding that
i mean i bet we can right?
if we can add it to the honor craftable we should be able to add to the conq crafted?
lucid citrus
so annoying that random things are getting me out of stealth and im no where near anyone
golden island
ya constantly
potent pivot
what are the stat priorities for Outlaw currently? is mastery still good? haste ...
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 25% Haste on Outlaw for 0.8s GCD during ADR.
potent pivot
You want at least 10-15% haste so your talents can get you to 20% minimum during ADR and Crackshot windows
stoic spruce
I remember people saying mastery was really good
This couldn't have been recently
potent pivot
Mastery is kinda w/e now, it’s okay but not great
stoic spruce
That's like a DF S1 thing
wraith jay
!macro
wraith jay
that would be helpful
spring bough
when match ended dps was at 519k idk why details updates when u leave. trickster is doing well lol
20 mil to the healer just cleaved off him in a 3s lol
unique bronze
You want at least 10-15% haste so your talents can get you to 20% minimum during...
ah, ok, thanks. do weapons matter? like a dagger OH vs a sword or anything?
and by ADR and crackshot you mean crackshot window while ADR is active right
potent pivot
and by ADR and crackshot you mean crackshot window while ADR is active right
Yeah
ADR requires haste to lower your gcd now
Requires 25% for 0.8sec gcd
Take em by surprise gives you 10%
In stealth windows
potent pivot
ah, ok, thanks. do weapons matter? like a dagger OH vs a sword or anything?
Offhand does not matter. Dagger is very slightly better because it procs poisons faster, but it’s not a requirement
spring bough
Lmao this hunter I met set his BNet note to “rogue back to one tapping”
potent pivot
spring bough
Dude was a R1 for SL and up thru DF season 3 according to his achieves
potent pivot
One tapping people in pve gear maybe
spring bough
I was playing with him for a while and I got full gear now lol
626 ilvl baby
It feels wicked
potent pivot
Yeah I meant the people getting one tapped
Frost is still doing 1m spells without any build up
outer sky
so is gladius just never going to work again?
toxic yarrow
Do you really need it lol
potent pivot
Do you have the most updated version
spring bough
There is a new addon
toxic yarrow
I play with no sound and do just fine
potent pivot
What does sound have to do with anything
potent pivot
does yours work <@629463378250956810> ?
The bicmex version?
I haven’t been in an arena to check mine just bgs gimme a few min
Don’t you have the skillcapped ui?
Shouldn’t that have something as well
outer sky
Shouldn’t that have something as well
that uses gladius lol
potent pivot
It should have the bicmex version as well
Because he works with skillcapped afaik
Getting dinner I’ll check it in a bit
spring bough
I just realized as outlaw coup de grace gives u full CTO everytine
So maybe do it as last hit from vanish and get full 10 seconds
Nvm just got lucky a few times lol
surreal barn
Good luck getting a restealth in arena lol
So many things keep you in combat rn it’s insane
topaz delta
how do you properly use sepsis as sub in pvp?
potent pivot
how do you properly use sepsis as sub in pvp?
just as a strike replacement early in dance
basically
topaz delta
ahh
unique bronze
Wow I got a 659k dispatch
how?
potent pivot
full gear
spring bough
Yeah full gear
I’m getting 741k blade flurries as trickster
It’s stupid
864k dispatches
waxen meteor
where is the honor gear merchant lol
spring bough
Main entrance area
It’s an open area with the dummies
It’s inside one of the rooms
topaz delta
whats the fastest honor grind. skirms?
light phoenix
whats the fastest honor grind. skirms?
comp stomp
topaz delta
can confirm as undergeared sub deathstalker, i do not hit like a truck
potent pivot
that uses gladius lol
yeah i can't find a working one. i'd get sArena updated by sammers
spring bough
A new author updated gladius
Just check curse it’s like max version or something
Works with skill capped still
topaz delta
the Bicmex version maybe?
spring bough
Last I checked it wasn’t updated unless it was the last couple days
potent pivot
Just check curse it’s like max version or something
that one doesn't even show up in my addons in game
don't trust it
potent pivot
the Bicmex version maybe?
nope
unique bronze
864k dispatches
but like, just with ghostly strike or something active? i am new to rogue so I dont know all the possible damage modifiers
spring bough
but like, just with ghostly strike or something active? i am new to rogue so I d...
Probably with ghostly. And fazed and whatever buffs trickster gives
potent pivot
from my match
_>
unique bronze
is trickster pretty good? I was trying that for a while but then I swapped over to try fatebound
I haven't really learned any of the 'combos' to get my coin count high though
outer sky
nice
unique bronze
seems like you wanna come out of stealth and then activate adrenaline rush after the first ability to get 4 coins guaranteed?
potent pivot
nice
i just switched it to xaryu layout, was one of the preloaded ones
then move it over a little
but it's decent
outer sky
I always ADR>Roll while in stealth just before I open so I can get loaded dice for my opener
maybe thats not the move anymore
jolly sierra
can u mark me in ur maps where the pvp vendor is?
jolly sierra
<@239851547935113216>
the heck
surreal barn
i wish i picked up the zerker buff to see how high it would have been lol
jolly sierra
god has it favourites
potent pivot
can u mark me in ur maps where the pvp vendor is?
SE entrance of city
waxen meteor
everyone has 1.5m more hp than me
jolly sierra
SE entrance of city
lets see
waxen meteor
time to farm honor
potent pivot
np
waxen meteor
i got inner bleed as top dmg profile in last 2s lol
not sure if it's because mastery too low or what
outer sky
i wish i picked up the zerker buff to see how high it would have been lol
was this on a tank with flag stacks or someone holding an orb?
outer sky
if you had zerker it would have hit for 2,174,266
surreal barn
Ya
If found if it doesn’t kill them then you can drop the distract bomb for the extra unseen blades
Or just vanish and do it again since you have a go every 25 seconds with dust
outer sky
how high of an ilvl?
jolly sierra
depend of crest
outer sky
ah but we cant craft them yet 😦
potent pivot
ah but we cant craft them yet 😦
why not
you can craft the greens n blues
613/626
i'm assuming the purps are the same ilvl as conq
looks like sockets cost about 15k honor each
surreal barn
You can craft the pvp ones after season starts
potent pivot
you mean the conquest ones?
surreal barn
Only 626 for now
potent pivot
yh
potent pivot
really?
surreal barn
Yup
potent pivot
it's on the vendor though
surreal barn
Colored red till season start
surreal barn
Odd choice but it’s fine
outer sky
So is it worth it to craft now?
potent pivot
that's so weird
potent pivot
So is it worth it to craft now?
to craft 613? nah
outer sky
ah yeah no way
surreal barn
I bought all of the “of the harmonious” stuff to upgrade
jolly sierra
ye its locked down
surreal barn
All mastery versa here baby
potent pivot
I bought all of the “of the harmonious” stuff to upgrade
what's that
surreal barn
The crafted stuff that has mastery/versatility
Have to make sure it’s the crafted one though and not some random world drop so you can upgrade it
topaz delta
typing /gladius doesn't even do anything for me
surreal barn
Not sure but I hope 😂
potent pivot
typing /gladius doesn't even do anything for me
gladius isn't updated, you have to get "sArena updated by sammers"
surreal barn
Gladius ex is working on my end as well
unique bronze
depend of crest
isnt only that third crest higher than 626?
surreal barn
Yeah
unique bronze
how do you get the 639 or whatever it is crests
spring bough
Need to wait for the season
surreal barn
Conquest after the season begins
waxen meteor
Conquest after the season begins
you are on sub or sin now
surreal barn
Sub
outer sky
you did mean envenom and not eviscerate right?
spring bough
Get your rateds in fast beginning of the season 😂
potent pivot
i didn't even Tea that one either
outer sky
whatre your kingsbanes hitting for?
potent pivot
trash
surreal barn
With teabag would have been 1.7 lol
potent pivot
the initial hit is hitting like 300-600k ish
outer sky
the initial hit is hitting like 300-600k ish
crit?
potent pivot
yeah like 600-700k crits
potent pivot
it does a decent amount of total dam
but i don't think it's enough to justify taking currently, without more testing in arena
it's doing like 1.5-2m total
envenom is actually doing dam though
mut is complete garbage either
spring bough
I put authority of storms on my OH and it did 2.5% of my damage for an arena. Does aoe damage
potent pivot
for the love of god please play sub
i'll play whatever i feel like playing thank you
outer sky
just hit a 20 game win streak in skirms
surreal barn
They are all pretty even imo
outer sky
huge
potent pivot
i am just stating what is the superior spec
don't know if you know left from right, so i will do me
terse bolt
you are left, i dont
outer sky
Sub is too much effort for me unless it's absolutely broken
potent pivot
i'm no metaslave
terse bolt
sub is not meta xddd
potent pivot
play all 3 specs at a decent level
terse bolt
i only see assa rogues
potent pivot
season hasn't even started
terse bolt
yeah hopefully they will be even
but sub is getting worse and worse by each patch
didn't play it at all since SL and now there are a shit load of buttons
outer sky
its shaping up to be better this season than last
terse bolt
and so many conditions OOF
surreal barn
The best thing that can happen if you play sub is no one playing it
People hate playing with it and against it lol
terse bolt
tbh i will always play sub due to shadow dance
it is just so much fun sending cheap shots left and right
topaz delta
possible to cap a flag when you've dueled someone?
topaz delta
yes
outer sky
cap takes longer than duel lasts anywya
topaz delta
not when blitz comes out
plucky escarp
What weapon enchant did people like in beta? The radiant one?
potent pivot
What weapon enchant did people like in beta? The radiant one?
from what i remember the numbers were all over the place on beta, don't think i'd trust that data
plucky escarp
Word
spring bough
So I found out u don’t need herb spec to use sky golem to farm them
So u can do a diff spec when leveling it instead of the mount one lol
outer sky
What weapon enchant did people like in beta? The radiant one?
radiant for sub and assass, shadowdepths for outlaw
waxen meteor
Guys, if you are on NA, there's a world quest (pvp) poped up at first map
it's the world pvp set glove with mastery/vers.
go grab it
potent pivot
radiant for sub and assass, shadowdepths for outlaw
shadowdepths?
outer sky
shadowdepths?
yeah, damage proc
it did a shit ton of damage on beta for high apm specs
waxen meteor
hmm so CT gone, ST build?
spring bough
Authority of the storms enchant on both weps now and it was critting for 600k in BG. Just level one for it too
potent pivot
hmm so CT gone, ST build?
no
waxen meteor
i don't see CT in dmg profile
outer sky
its shadow damage
waxen meteor
nor bone
potent pivot
i don't see CT in dmg profile
because i didn't press it
outer sky
brain fart
potent pivot
i had KB
that was just testing on a dummy for 1 minute
not something to go off of
waxen meteor
k
potent pivot
its shadow damage
authority of the storms is nature, i don't see a depths
waxen meteor
but i remember envenom doing big number on dummy also last season, but in arena it just drops?
outer sky
potent pivot
i don't think envenom ever did big dmg on a dummy last season
waxen meteor
i feel envenom could be doing more % due to low mastery too atm
potent pivot
yeah that's just not on the AH at all, maybe it's a rare recipe or drops from the raid or something
topaz delta
we want haste or crit off pieces as sub?
outer sky
we want haste or crit off pieces as sub?
crit
potent pivot
yep
outer sky
if its the same on live as it was on beta it slaps for outlaw
usually in the top 5 damage
sometimes top 3
jolly sierra
seems like they reverted dfa buff
potent pivot
they never put it in in the first place
potent pivot
it was 15% on the beta the whole time
jolly sierra
it was 15% on the beta the whole time
i recall somewhere else was a 40%
outer sky
it was 40% on beta
i always remember it being 40% but idk
I love their line of thinking
"lets nerf everything thats stacks with the rogue capstone talent so that when they proc it, it doesnt do any more damage than before they had the talent to begin with"
nova viper
Btw. I try wow on 7/10 graph settings and this game can look good lol
But i probably change on 5 for fps
potent pivot
i always remember it being 40% but idk
the tooltip on beta showed 40% outside of arena or some shit
but it was 15% in arena the entire beta
jolly sierra
what a scam
potent pivot
nahj was talking about it a lot
potent pivot
anyone have a good 3v3 arena buiild?>
pins
slow tulip
feel like thats for rbg
potent pivot
it isn't
potent pivot
for 2s as assa you can swap doomblade/SBS for MA/KB just know that KB hits like shit
potent pivot
so the whole aoe stuff looks odd to me
pvp is very aoe/cleave heavy rn
spring bough
Cheap enchant authority of storms rank one is doing pretty damn well
Avg crit is 300k
Doing about 7% of my overall in arena
Every skirmish I’ve done is just DPS going at healers lol. Is that how season one going to be
jolly sierra
every skirmish ive done have a sub
spring bough
This fury warrior with me was just doing 1 million plus execute crits
Multiple of them 😂
This seasons gonna be melee scaries
outer sky
assa/mm thug cleave may be good this season
assa has so much spread pressure
add an MM hunter to that who can snipe low targets from 20-0
deadly combo
spring bough
lol trust me. I been playing both all day. They aren’t that far apart
potent pivot
Aren’t flurry hits just the added up hit of 1 spell on all targets, on details I mean
spring bough
Even if it is finishers still hitting hard. I had a 6.3 million crackshot window earlier
outer sky
I think I'm just gunna keep this in my bank. This is one of the most BiS pieces of gear I've ever had on any of my characters
graceful ravine
kb/ma vs sbs for bgs?
potent pivot
potent pivot
kb/ma vs sbs for bgs?
sbs
graceful ravine
thanks
potent pivot
been trying to make KB work all day and it's just so bad
spring bough
I think I'm just gunna keep this in my bank. This is one of the most BiS pieces ...
I did that with my SL edge of night lol
spring bough
Oh yeah fated one too
potent pivot
other than that i just keep legendaries
i got really lucky and got 2 mythic ilvl during the season
after getting CE
topaz delta
is deathbringer the play for sub?
potent pivot
its good yes
vocal surge
Observer can hit Outlaw now
outer sky
is deathbringer the play for sub?
only 3 of your hero talents actually do anything noticible and one of those is just noticible pad damage but the alternative is so trash we play deathstalker
outer sky
i love the new assa
Sudden demise shouldnt be functioning any differently than it did before.
vocal surge
They need to fix Observer hitting Trickster Outlaw
vocal surge
theres no reason it should be hitting Outlaw
I can see it potentially hitting Fatebound
but Trickster is purely Physical damage
graceful ravine
what season di they add sudden demise?
outer sky
Shiv is hitting pretty hard
I just had one for almost 500k
my overall lol
almost 600k shiv
not even a crit
halcyon timber
thought was after rework
I think it was df bc that’s when that damn hunter kept trying to sabotage nonstop
jolly sierra
I think it was df bc that’s when that damn hunter kept trying to sabotage nonsto...
that was in DF
during rework
outer sky
so lol
How troll would it be
as assass
to play a mace in my off hand
I couldnt mutilate
but like
who cares
it has better stats
twin burrow
outer sky
no?
outer sky
Small indie company
warped gate
pls understand
stoic spruce
RAHHH
potent pivot
How troll would it be
that sounds omega troll lol
somber plank
is sub 2 daggers again or is it mace OH
potent pivot
ye 2 daggers
keen orchid
hey guys i know someone has to have asked this already, but how would a assa opener look like now with deathstalker requiring an ambush in the first window?
potent pivot
you just open with ambush from stealth on the target you want to mark
keen orchid
yeah but like, what if i want to burst someone from opener, isnt there an optimal rotation of skills from opener?
outer sky
you can ambush any time during subterfuge and get the mark
probably want to open with some kind of CC
then ambush after
potent pivot
patch 9.01
what
keen orchid
got it
potent pivot
not a big deal lol
outer sky
i need to start finding people to push glad with this season
we have any idea what comps will be good?
I think assa/affi will be solid
potent pivot
as long as neither of them catch nerfs yeah it'll be really good
assa/DK could also be a good comp
jolly sierra
RMP maybe?
potent pivot
possibly
fire needs buffs before it'd be viable though
so kinda stuck with arcane/frost
molten grove
Frost hit like a truck with Ice lance
potent pivot
yeah you just don't usually see a lot of rogue/frost comps
outer sky
Ok i'm fully honor geared and these are my stats
my poor mastery 😦
from 113% in DF to this
fucking criminal
vital crane
do we even use black powder bomb in pvp ?
outer sky
do we even use black powder bomb in pvp ?
no you dont press black powder in pvp
vital crane
im new to sub rogue theres a bit more keybind hehe
outer sky
I'm always a big advocate of finding a comfortable bind for every button your spec has just in case
but right now you dont even need it on your bars
molten grove
I tried the Ashran weekly to recuperate artefact on mobs, for 1k honor, got 4 shot by boar, sweet
Maybe wintergrasp is easier
vital crane
what's our opener as sub?
stoic spruce
It also helps to keep your binds consistent with your other classes
Like all the stuns on my characters are Shift + 6
potent pivot
what's our opener as sub?
depends on build
your "opener" is situational
depends on what you're facing
vital crane
for optimal dmg vs a dummy lets say
azure rapids
when do you use rupture as sub ?
potent pivot
yes
potent pivot
for optimal dmg vs a dummy lets say
the only thing not mentioned in the guide i linked above is you should keep rupture up, and you should secret tech earlier in dance
generally just swapping the first evis in those rotations with secret tech is fine
potent pivot
when do you use rupture as sub ?
sorry i didn't see the when part
you generally want it up on your KT before your go, but you can even press rupture during kidney with the 4 combo points from First Dance
azure rapids
thanks
vital crane
why cant i use shadowstrike off shadow dance ?
worthy crag
are you asking about the teleport version of shadowstrike?
potent pivot
you mean outside of shadow dance?
vital crane
ya
vital crane
unluucky
potent pivot
port is only from stealth
potent pivot
it's generally considered more difficult to play optimally yeah
jolly sierra
sub is one of the hardest melee specs overall
lyric shell
did honor gear release today?
visual ruin
Does anybody know how similar in damage sub and assa are in 2s?
or have an idea based on damage now
visual ruin
did honor gear release today?
it did
lyric shell
awesome, ty
potent pivot
or have an idea based on damage now
i mean things are going to keep changing until season starts and everyone gets fully conq geared
right now especially there's a bunch of people fully honor geared and a bunch of people with 0 honor gear so there's no real way to tell anything
assa in general will always do more dmg than sub no matter what
but sub will always do more dmg in a burst window
visual ruin
Makes sense, thanks for that
somber plank
I do love the class fantasy around sub but my brain spins at the keeping up with the keybinds sometimes
lapis escarp
I do love the class fantasy around sub but my brain spins at the keeping up with...
keep practicing, no excuses
vocal surge
when match ended dps was at 519k idk why details updates when u leave. trickster...
Got Unseen Blade to proc more often
fallen scaffold
if my wow1 got banned and im playing on my wow2 now, do i have to repurchase TWW again?
i cant see any of the new quests on any of my chars but i swear it says i ahve tww
terse bolt
what weapon enchants we using for pvp?
vocal surge
As Outlaw, imma run Radiant Power and Stormrider's Fury
spring bough
Got Unseen Blade to proc more often
How lol
spring bough
I don’t see I just woke up lol
vocal surge
Oh
lyric shell
how/when do i want to use sepsis as sub?
spring bough
Was that only one BTE cast lol
spring bough
Beat them with passive dmg lol
How much of that 7mil flurry dmg hit the monk too lol
candid tide
yeah whaazz said sub is the goto atm
outer sky
yeah whaazz said sub is the goto atm
That means we're getting nerfed soon. They don't let sub stay good for long
spring bough
Time to join outlaw before that happens lol
candid tide
wtf shadowblades makes backstab gain instant 7cps, this is nuts
blissful osprey
Isn’t the class tuning not yet life though
Tomorrow sub is getting buffed and sin for PvP. Outlaw nerfed?
Live*
surreal barn
I feel like sub was already buffed. Maybe I’m wrong 😑
spring bough
I think all that went live last Tuesday
rain crown
Is unseen blade stuff the play for sub or the darkstalker or whatever
Unseen seems better while I’m leveling
candid tide
keybinding sub is always such a pain
because u cant really put anything on numeric keys 1234
because that will be changed into stealth abilty bar
wait.
what if we do a macro that does backstab normally but with shadowdance/subterfuge/stealth it does shadowstrike
is that a good one?
potent pivot
Isn’t the class tuning not yet life though
Tomorrow sub is getting buffed and si...
the sin tuning is live already, outlaw isn't. not sure about sub
candid tide
that will save space on 1234 keys to bind secret tech or some during dance
candid tide
<@802142672809885696> you just make the same bars
we cant really put secret tech on 2 and then shadowstrike also on 2(stealth)
cause during dance and subterfuge it will show shadowstrike
plucky escarp
Why not put shadow strike and back stab on 2 for stealth and not, respectively?
candid tide
u want to throw in a secret tech during dance or some i feel like
but the thing is i want it on a bind i can reach asap
rain crown
Just put it on a dif bind man
rain crown
Mines on S
candid tide
ya mby
rain crown
You spend so much time in stealth/dance
You want to have everything the same I think
I even have cheap shot on 2 and it’s just a dead bind when not in dance but idc
vocal surge
Where's the tuning notes at?
candid tide
You spend so much time in stealth/dance
but like, we dont really choose backstab over SS during dance and subterfuge right, SS hits so much harder for 5 extra energy?
candid tide
so if i make a macro backstab in normal stance and does SS in shadowdance/stealth/subterfuge it should be good idk
rain crown
And leave the rest the same, and then find non numerical binds for like sap, distract etc
Yes
candid tide
i use W for backstab etc : D
rain crown
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of W being a key bind
candid tide
insane right : D
rain crown
Yea
candid tide
why move forward with W if we can do that with mouse alr
omg perfect
#showtooltip
/cast [stance] Shadowstrike; Backstab
/startattack
/cast !stealth
now we dont have to bind stealth exclusively anymore either
candid tide
Make shadow strike 2
omg ur right i was so dumb, so much overthink
lime oar
Cuz moving w mouse means ur always facing ur characters back
U can’t strafe run or run forward and also be looking in any other direction aka situational awareness
candid tide
U can’t strafe run or run forward and also be looking in any other direction aka...
u can strafe with AD
u can also us A and D for looking around too instead
hold a or d and turn camera normally
lime oar
Yeah I have a and d as strafe
Idk just seems weird but everyone has their own setup, doesn’t matter
candid tide
u can also turn camera without moving by holding right mouse button and turn camera also
celest spade
outlaw in pvp still crit>mastery>haste?
vocal surge
Haste > Crit > Mastery as Trickster
For Fatebound, depends
you can go 15% haste and rest elsewhere
since Take em by Surprise allows you to cover the 10% extra for GCD
drowsy star
When will the valor points become available?