pvp

[last jasper]

He asked as a spec.

Fury and udk by far best melee rn

[potent pivot]

ye np with that

[spring bough]

It’s called slayer too

That’s pretty nasty ngl lol

[last jasper]

Yea. Somehow looks pretty good too

Except when it procs during bladestorm

[spring bough]

It’s execute oriented I love it

[proud vortex]

last time i played was on sl season1 and now i'm so confused with rogue i swear

[potent pivot]

it's not super different in all honesty

a couple more abilities thats all

[last jasper]

@potent pivot btw

[potent pivot]

[proud vortex]

i feel like the tempo is way different

[potent pivot]

they actually did it super early

[proud vortex]

i may be tripping

should i use thistle tea to power up eviscerates since it gives mastery?

[potent pivot]

tempo like.. rotation? because that's very very similar

[proud vortex]

theres some shit i never used before

[last jasper]

Yea. “With the launch of tww”

[potent pivot]

idk if they've ever done it that fast

even BFA took them like 2 seasons into DF to do

or something

i might be exaggerating because idr exactly

[last jasper]

Anyway good from them

[potent pivot]

the only difference to sub from SL is secret technique

and tea

only differences on assa is deathmark replaced vendetta and thistle tea again

outlaw is basically the exact same

with a couple abilities that got reworked a lil

oh and assa has kingsbane

as sub you only really want to take 1 of the old covenant abilities at a time so it's very much the same as SL

[proud vortex]

always used echoing reprimand so i get confused with sepsis, how should i use it?

[potent pivot]

i guess it has a lot of new talents compared to SL

[proud vortex]

yea thats for sure

[last jasper]

just as SS

[potent pivot]

sepsis is just a dot but it builds CP so you use it to replace strike during dance

[proud vortex]

also u now have 7combo points should i always max eviscerate with 7 now?

[potent pivot]

not always no

during blades 1 builder will give u max cp

[proud vortex]

yea i realised that

[potent pivot]

outside of blades you should finish on 5 or more cp

[proud vortex]

that makes sense

thanks for the info

[potent pivot]

to avoid wasting cp

sometimes if someones really low you can send another builder to get to 7

but most of the time it'd be better to aim for 5(+)

[proud vortex]

so ousside of shadowblades 7p combo dinishers are situational

[potent pivot]

pretty much

the way sub plays now combo points aren't very hard to come by

like during dance

outside of dance is when it slows down a lot

[proud vortex]

and how should i use thistle tea

since it gives mastery

just as another burst?

[potent pivot]

it also gives energy but yeah

should try to use it with every dance+blades

then for dances in between that you need energy for

[proud vortex]

thats a lot of buttons to press for cds supper fast

tempted to do some macros

[potent pivot]

macroing tea to blades is fine imo but you still need a tea bind for the dances in between

[proud vortex]

good idea

will do that

[surreal barn]

What I do is have an “it’s time to do damage” dance macro and then just normal dance separate keybind

[warped gate]

Whelp, I just went broke buying green PvP gear that's gonna be out of date in two days! 8D

[surreal barn]

Where do you buy pvp gear? I didn’t see any on the AH

Oh i bet it’s crafted huh

[warped gate]

There was a bunch on mine.

Just write 'Algari Com' and it'll pop up.

[potent pivot]

o.o

that brightness

[warped gate]

Also forgive the screenshot, I just got an HDR monitor and have no idea how to take non-shitty screenshots yet.

My screen does not look like that.

[jovial sundial]

Is subterfuge required for asssassasssassination and deathstalker? So that you cna cheap shot + ambush for death mark?

[potent pivot]

it's required for every spec in pvp in general

[jolly sierra]

ah those are crafted lol

imo both rings, trinkets and necks worth a shot

specially a ring

so u can fill the set bonus fast and have decent secondary stats

[last jasper]

Just windows. Thats how hdr looks like on a screenshot

[potent pivot]

that's crazy lol

campaign and like 3 dungeons didn't get me to 78

[worthy crag]

they made the campaign extremely short in this expansion

probably to ease the pain of getting to adventure mode and WQs

[jolly sierra]

in df was long and confusing af tho

i never finished the main DF chain i think

[potent pivot]

the different chapters felt short, but the entire campaign felt longer to me idk

i feel like i barely even remember the DF campaign though

[potent pivot]

i def didn't do any campaign s2/s3 etc, not sure if i even finished the s1 campaign

i guess i didn't lmao

[warped gate]

Really? I got to the underground dudes when I hit 80, but I also did it in War Mode.

[potent pivot]

WM just never seems worth it to me when leveling through new content

unless i want to get side tracked pvping for fun

[warped gate]

I always played on PvP servers, so War Mode only feels natural to me.

Besides, most of the time we just ignore each other, only time I had a fight was when a Pally who was three levels lower than me and in no gear kept trying to pick a fight and kept getting cucked.

[halcyon timber]

Lots of world pvp areas which is great

I like the fungarian tree bombs and traps they set up that just occur. Had a couple people chasing me and they didn’t pay attention and got blown the frick up

[worthy crag]

fighting like a decade worth of muscle memory to account for kidney CD being 30 seconds, on top of trying to line up evis finality and darkest night is like

actual brainfuck

on top of changed premeditation

[halcyon timber]

Heh yeah

Premeditation change is nice

[worthy crag]

I have mixed feelings, it has a higher ceiling and a lower floor imo

[halcyon timber]

Still miss when it was an ability but yeah

[worthy crag]

like if you are utilizing double premed with stealth/subterfuge + dance, its really nice

[halcyon timber]

Allows for solid creativity

[worthy crag]

but if you are just popping dance to cheap shot which wastes your premed (cuz ur most likely already at max cp while you were setting up) then its worse than its previous version

Its not that I dislike this new premed, its just my brain still expects it to work like before

where it worked off of shadowstrike

Had to make a cancelaura macro for finality eviscerate too lmao

[potent pivot]

don't think you need to focus that hard on lining up DN

[worthy crag]

probably not, but knowing the amplifiers exist, i would always aim to do that

esp vs orc targets where i really only get 1 finisher in between stunlocks

Also I am not sure if the tooltips are just wrong or what, but finality says full 30% increase in pvp

I could have sworn they nerfed that before

[halcyon timber]

Unannounced change probably

They did change a lot of stuff for other classes based off what ive been reading but didn’t announce it (which is cool, not complaining)

[worthy crag]

and with the vanish stealth protection nerf and more reliance on vanish/invigorating shadowdust(due to kidney being 30 sec) sub will have less room for fuckups in tww

Maybe.

[jolly sierra]

ye its way too tedious

[halcyon timber]

I liked the lengthy story in df but yeah. High quality cutscenes and lots of stay a while and listen options in tww have been sick

Big man Metzen wasn’t joking when he said they are moving with a purpose and not screwing around

Delves have been a lot of fun and the follower dungeons and story dungeons are cool

[jolly sierra]

the problem w DF story was it was very easy to lose the track compared to stuff like BFA or SL

in a point u had no idea it was just an irrelevant quest or big part of lore

[halcyon timber]

Right, different set of people telling stories and the team did talk about the challenges that came with a lot of things not working the way they wanted. They didn't get to go in depth as much as they would have liked and such.

[jolly sierra]

maybe the right approach was just to mark which quests were relevant for main campaign (there are a plenty of them being considered a little side ones like blue campaign)

and yeah, compared to other xps u had A LOT of story quests, sadly some of them didnt mattered too much as was wished

for example in a moment of game would wanted to know wtf happened w alterac ppl or if there are solo stray somewhere instead syndicate or looking for the other orc clans

for example the shadowmoon lady in the kosharg said she was the last MAG'HAR from that clan but

what happened w green ones?

[potent pivot]

we finally lucked out

[jolly sierra]

huh

[potent pivot]

second dungeon group earlier was a banger n we kept going

so got 80 on the rogue finally

[jolly sierra]

oof

how lucky

[worthy crag]

Biggest complain when it comes to questing is how underground/inside-building objectives still don't show the entrnace on the marker

[potent pivot]

i feel like leveling 100% takes like 3x longer than DF

[jolly sierra]

in my lowborne late day honor grinding for 80 found a glad enh sham and we went till i got 4k honor

ended befriending him

[potent pivot]

yeah multiple times i couldn't find the next step because it wasn't well visualized

[worthy crag]

like if its underground or in a cave, show me the entrance to the cave

cant believe this is still an issue tbh

[potent pivot]

yeah it's kinda crazy that community made addons are still doing better than the company itself

[worthy crag]

always one of those quests pop up occasionally where u google for the first comment in wowhead that says "coords at xyz xyz"

[jolly sierra]

oh boy i fkn hate cave entraces too

[jolly sierra]

YES FUCK

just mark it in a map cmon

[potent pivot]

betting all these are worthless

[dapper chasm]

I finally have time to record the bars - expect a very straightforward and boring video in some minutes or whatever

[potent pivot]

oo we caught a couple 10k weps

not bad

[safe pelican]

Sigh…. I need T3 armor for my rogue

[potent pivot]

farm some gold

this is the best time for it

[harsh kiln]

i can't ever wear taht again because someone said it looks like a frowning sad face with the ehelmet on

[safe pelican]

Yea I’m about to embark on the journey i think rogue is 80 already need something else to do so that i feel okay letting blizzard milk my checking account

[potent pivot]

if you have a druid to level, 4x4 farms are really lucrative right now

[safe pelican]

I have a Druid i boosted up in time running but i don’t enjoy playing Druid just picked up DK

[potent pivot]

part of me wants to level my druid next, the other wants to level my DK and farm honor caps

haha the duality

i don't like playing druid either, it's mostly for gold making

[safe pelican]

Great minds think alike 😎

[potent pivot]

maybe blast some feral for fun

it's very similar to assa

[dapper chasm]

This is actually shit because it doesn't record in 4K without being 20gb filesize

[spring bough]

trickster outlaw on the silvershard mines map

[dapper chasm]

In actual ingame, they look sharper

You can see the 1px animations better too

[proud vortex]

what did i just watch

confused

[dapper chasm]

What? Are you deaf

Beauty - elegance - bravery

[proud vortex]

peak performance UI

[dapper chasm]

You're getting it now

Plus mockery of the French - what, is casual racism against the rules now? lol

[harsh kiln]

let me hear those sounds for combo points instead!

[proud vortex]

i thought u were french

LMAO

[dapper chasm]

Fuck you, man

[proud vortex]

is it me or does the AH on EU work like shit since tww release

[dapper chasm]

Sec, I still have OBS open, I'll record

[sharp sierra]

how is pvp going for you folks?

[potent pivot]

going fine so far

[dapper chasm]

I started recording the marimba sounds, but then lost track and started a racist rant

[harsh kiln]

can you make it play a 6 note song while filling up instead of ACEACE. please and thank you<3

or 7 for that matter.

[spring bough]

i think trickster outlaw doing more than fatebound in BGs for me right now lol

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, anything I want

I tried rising scales too, but I found it better to have midway split

Otherwise it's like that tone that sounds like it's rising all the time to give people panic attacks

You know the one

[harsh kiln]

lovely make it happen. death to france!

[dapper chasm]

Death to France

[harsh kiln]

i know exactly which one

[sharp sierra]

no issues in arena/duels?

[dapper chasm]

@wintry dew I recorded 2 videos for you and you aint say shit

[potent pivot]

nope

[dapper chasm]

Fuck you, "bro"

[potent pivot]

did you even ping him

[dapper chasm]

That fuck you was aimed at Royal, NoTrickz

[dapper chasm]

I just asssumed he no-lifes this discord tbh

[potent pivot]

well he's mostly in the transmog/wowgen/sin channels usually

[stoic spruce]

Ikr what a freak

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

[stoic spruce]

Omg haii hiii

^-^

[wintry dew]

Want my honest opinion? As a non french, you suck at french!
Go back to school you baguette.
The UI itself should be something one could just download and use, because that shit is FIRE 🔥.
A SHAME ITS LINKED TO YOUR SHAMELESS RACIST BUTT

[dapper chasm]

So much for the tolerant left

[stoic spruce]

LMAO

[lusty lion]

Anyone got a clean Darkest Night WA?

[spring bough]

bro roasted

[wintry dew]

I was cooking dinner. Want some?

[dapper chasm]

Now we're against just casual racism?

PC gone mad

[stoic spruce]

Bro can't even be racist as a hobby anymore smh. What's a man to do?

[dapper chasm]

It's their fault for pushing me to further and further extremist views on twitter

The left did it

[wintry dew]

Twitter is indeed wild

[dapper chasm]

That video took me 3 minutes to record and upload

I expect you to spend at least as much time reviewing it

[wintry dew]

I did

While I pooped

[dapper chasm]

My man, take a typing class

[potent pivot]

not yet. make a TellMeWhen for it maybe

[dapper chasm]

TMW was the shit - back in WotLK

[wintry dew]

I still use it

[dapper chasm]

The addon code probably swapped more hands than Royal's mama by now

[wintry dew]

LOOOL

[dapper chasm]

[wintry dew]

You got me there

[dapper chasm]

So, what are your top 10 things about the new bars on the UI?

I'm sure you noticed the mouseover 5% zoom value and 20% increase to alpha

But the more subtle stuff too, I'm sure

[safe pelican]

Should i pay this 1.5M for T3 ?? lol gotta make sure i don’t get scammed off here

Mans on the YouTube video said I would need 2.8M smells scammy 🤔

[dapper chasm]

The fuck is T3?

Aren't we on like tier 35 by now?

[stoic spruce]

We need a new naming convention

[stoic spruce]

A shitty mog

That every loves for some reason

[safe pelican]

It’s dope for rogue though I’m ngl i feel like rogue is the only good looking one

[wintry dew]

It's true, 2.8m

I crafted the whole set myself

[safe pelican]

Absolutely mental 😶‍🌫️

Royal you have T3 stop being a bum and help me grind this stuff

[wintry dew]

How?

[dapper chasm]

I'm starting to think we're NOT going to spend the rest of the evening discussing UI beauty and elegance

[wintry dew]

I'm having dinner

[dapper chasm]

How many px of a gap to leave etc

[wintry dew]

Your ui looks great

Stfu

[dapper chasm]

It's not enough to be told I'm the greatest

The topic itself is what draws me on

When I was a little kid, I fell down and bumped my head

Someone walked past and said "So that means you're gonna switch it on them? Flipmode?"

And I said "Yeah, flipmode - flipmode is the greatest"

My point is -

If you're not gonna be part of the greatest

You gotta be the greatest yourself

[wintry dew]

Damn.

[safe pelican]

This is actually dope bro how did you make this, Is it WA ?

I like the vanish / dance / stealth indicator

[dapper chasm]

Here's it's yours

Oh, but it's not an ability tracker, it's more a cloak tracker - the border colour changes based on if you have a physical or magic dot and based on if you have cloak/talent cloak/vanish cd

[lusty lion]

yo where do ppl get ilvl613 pvp trinkets from?

[potent pivot]

the AH

btw just so y'all know

any gear above 535 ilvl scales to 600 ilvl in pvp instances rn

or something like that

so don't waste too much gold on AH pvp greens

just buy trinkets

[jolly sierra]

buy rings too

[potent pivot]

why

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/im-fancy-gucci-mane-dboy-style-song-rich-famous-gif-24633395

[jolly sierra]

there are only one with desired stats

from vendor

[potent pivot]

what

[jolly sierra]

versa + mastery for example

[potent pivot]

that doesn't matter right now

at all

[jolly sierra]

it will later

so better to get at least 1

[potent pivot]

no

[lusty lion]

lmao aint gonna pay 40k for a single medallion

[potent pivot]

they are more expensive right now

it'd be dumb to buy now

[jolly sierra]

jewelry always gives the biggest secondary stat boost

cant u just public order?

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter legit at all right now

you can't get what we're going to use during the season right now

there is no vendors

[lusty lion]

trinkets unlock monday don't they, would be such a waste to buy them on AH rn

[dapper chasm]

NoTrickz admitting he's NoGoldz

[potent pivot]

the only thing worth buying right this second is trinkets off the AH, and they are also expensive as fuck

[potent pivot]

yeah

just use whatever DF trinkets if you have them

[dapper chasm]

Just got ninja nerfed

[jolly sierra]

dude even in former season for early season ppl just picked a crafted pvp ring for stats and the socket

[potent pivot]

dude

we're talking about t.o.d.a.y.

not about the season

right now gear scales up in arena/bgs

it's a huge waste of gold to buy anything

[jolly sierra]

if u can just public order u can get it cheap af

that is my point too

[potent pivot]

GL with that

no one is doing anything cheap right now when the expansion has been early access for 2 days

[jolly sierra]

just get the mats, prepare them for 3 more days and put it for 420,69 in public order

that is how i did with all my early access competitor items

[potent pivot]

i still don't think you get what i'm saying idk

[jolly sierra]

i dont think so neither

we are just talking about the same items

and the source, right?

[potent pivot]

i wasn't talking about what you should or shouldn't do next week

just legit saying not to waste gold today or probably the next few days

[jolly sierra]

not even mats? cmon

they shouldnt be so expensive

[potent pivot]

no one is going to craft you something for "free"

unless you have a guildie/homie to do it for you sure

[jolly sierra]

lemme check something

[potent pivot]

the recipes to make these items are expensive af

only a few people even have them

[tribal badger]

literally everything is 10X the price rn its gunna be in in a few days, let alone a week

and u cant do anything with what ur paying to ave crafted

why waste

[potent pivot]

1 person listing literally all the pvp gear on my realm

i play on a Full realm

you're not going to use a green ring anyway

[jolly sierra]

i did in early days

worked very well

[potent pivot]

that's such a waste

[jolly sierra]

just bought some ires w cheap ass mats

went to public orders

posted for like 1k w mats

and have it done for next morning

maybe depends from server

but scalpers are in the most populated ones ye

[safe pelican]

The AH is jumping right now lol

[dapper chasm]

Oh, God - I forgot to check - does this new xpac have new abilities to track?

[safe pelican]

& +1 on not buying a trinket fawk that

[jolly sierra]

just get the mats and order them for day 1

[safe pelican]

But where can we get our own if they have surplus to sell on the AH

[potent pivot]

not really no

[dapper chasm]

They got nerfed

[dapper chasm]

That's good at least

[potent pivot]

they're made by crafters

[dapper chasm]

I hate buttons like flag/the other one

Shit you just press on CD every minute

[potent pivot]

i'm on a new rogue so i don't even have old trinkets

fuck me lmao

[jolly sierra]

anyways for lowbornes like me i can just get speed gear for lvl 80 and upgrade them for late season

looks nice

[potent pivot]

the mats btw

[lime oar]

That’s wild lmao

[jolly sierra]

u can buy them w honor tho

[potent pivot]

sure

[jolly sierra]

just wait until pvp vendor appears and go in

[potent pivot]

but rn you can't

[jolly sierra]

ye, for now u cant

[lime oar]

People spending 100’s of thousands of gold for a green pvp set

[dapper chasm]

AH PvP

I can respect it

[lime oar]

Just to get clapped anyways

[jolly sierra]

ah pvp is basically when a fucker is figthing w u posting mats and starts DM u to cease

[dapper chasm]

I just make flasks and swim in that P

The P stands for Gold, not Pee

[jolly sierra]

once i fought against a scalper posting like 5k awakened orders

[lime oar]

Definitely Pee

[jolly sierra]

guy harassed me by DM and called me a crybaby just for keep posting and insist, but told him he was cuz i was not the one DMing just for being mad hahaha

ended selling everything anyways and making him losing gold for being so annoying

by undercutting just some couples of gold

[dapper chasm]

That reminds me, I had 500k in the AH before taking a break

What happened to all those items? Gone forever?

They're not in my mailbox

[jolly sierra]

if 30 days has passed then ur gold is gone

[dapper chasm]

Shame

Had like 5 invertebrate oils from farming the containment pack

[jolly sierra]

what a tragedy

[dapper chasm]

Except you can get a token for peanuts and just get over it

[jolly sierra]

or just doing this w spare bloody tokens

[dapper chasm]

What was that about custom UIs?

[peak jolt]

Is there no honor vendor yet?

nvm

I take that back. Can we not spend honor on gear yet?

[potent pivot]

nop

[peak jolt]

kk

btw, what is this bug that's not allowing me to switch my talents? "Must spend all talent points"

[potent pivot]

you're the 2nd person i've heard say something like that

[graceful ravine]

i have that bug too

[potent pivot]

have you put all of your points into the hero talents?

[peak jolt]

yes

happened after I imported the pinned pre-patch talents

[potent pivot]

the pinned ones don't have hero talents

[peak jolt]

Yeah, I spent them

[potent pivot]

oof

[peak jolt]

small indie company

[potent pivot]

well i just swapped the builds to hero talent builds

so hopefully that doesn't happen again

have you tried importing a different build?

maybe that'd fix it

[peak jolt]

sec

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot yall in early acess can just comp stomp to 4k?

[potent pivot]

ill check rq

it wouldn't let me q comp stomp before i had the expansion bought

[wintry dew]

hmm

[potent pivot]

it let me q

let's see what happens

[wintry dew]

doesn't let me as well

i was like "imma just 4k cap and call it a day"

I CAN'T

[potent pivot]

yeah it was doing the same to me

ig comp stomp is off if you don't have EA

[peak jolt]

I seem to be able to queue for it

[potent pivot]

but you have EA no?

[peak jolt]

yeah, but

oh right. You're playing at lvl 70

[jolly sierra]

we are lowbornes

[peak jolt]

I didn't wanna do it initially, but wanted to boost up a new class and that's 60 euros on its own, so 🤷‍♂️

[wintry dew]

early access is really taking my peace away

[potent pivot]

you can buy tokens and pay level boosters with gold for WAY cheaper

[peak jolt]

First time I buy it for wow

[potent pivot]

never buy blizzard character boosts

[peak jolt]

Never used boosters, never will 😄

[potent pivot]

_>

[jolly sierra]

tbh just timewalking is way more efficient than a boost

[potent pivot]

way better than paying $60 to blizzard'

[jolly sierra]

or just going leveling w chromie time

but for DF for 60-70 i just waited till timewalk and got it fast

[peak jolt]

I mostly only play 1 char anyway. I just wanted a second one (warrior btw) so my friend can learn some arenas in a zug zug comp

[peak jolt]

well, with EA I got it for 29 or something 🤷‍♂️

oof. ig I'll log off and come back tommorow to check if talents work.

gn hf

[pliant marsh]

How the hell are you supposed to beat a paladin ? I'm running into so many of them and having a really hard time I feel like I see so many paladins this expansion it's wild

[potent pivot]

@wintry dew comp stomp unlocks at 80

played a game on rogue and logged DK to see if i could use it to level or something

[wintry dew]

[potent pivot]

1 more day homie

[wintry dew]

2

monday at 23 for me

[potent pivot]

oof

[graceful ravine]

what time on monday is tww available?

[winged sentinel]

3pm pacific time

[spring bough]

2 more days then you can beat the game 🔥

[potent pivot]

my missing artifact appearances randomly came back now

[spring bough]

Yall should try out some trickster. Actually feels pretty good

[potent pivot]

the issue with trickster is that coup gcd locks you

[spring bough]

Yeah I guess it does. Damage feels like it’s there though. Felt a bit more survivable in PvP with the 5% dmg reduction too

[pure grail]

is there an up to date assa build

[potent pivot]

in the pins

[pure grail]

sorry it says prepatch

[potent pivot]

deathstalker also has cloak/evasion DRs

[potent pivot]

yeah they're up to date

[pure grail]

yea it worked ty

[potent pivot]

it's not like prepatch or this week are an exact science either way

[pure grail]

thank you

[jolly sierra]

still found this funny

[stoic spruce]

So many critters

[jolly sierra]

genocide run with them

[potent pivot]

DK feels busted

my god

a bg gave me about 50k exp

not really worth when you compare it to dungeons

[pliant marsh]

Is rogue barely played because of how hard it is and non rewarding?

[potent pivot]

a lot of people play rogue

[jolly sierra]

we have no evidence yet is not played

until season starts

[stoic spruce]

Even then it'll take time

[potent pivot]

think he just means in general, rogue is one of the least played classes in the game

[jolly sierra]

ahhhh

[potent pivot]

but that's mostly pve

[jolly sierra]

thought they were monks

[potent pivot]

naw

[jolly sierra]

but TBH depends of meta pve wise

if rog is S tier i think ppl will reroll a lot to rog

as in every game where meta sheeps exists

[pliant marsh]

Yeah I meant in general I've been having fun with it I've just been generally having a hard time with paladins but I'm still a noob at rogue

[candid tide]

Frostmage is s++ it seems

Rmp season inc

[jolly sierra]

explain what happens against them

[outer sky]

theyll probably prefer god comp is spriest is any good at all

[pliant marsh]

I'm probably just ass but i lost a fight to a level 76 at level 80 after I did the burst rotation that is shown on icy veins he then bubbled and healed and just started whomping on me I notice I barely use gouges kicks and I seem to panic and blow evasion cloak of shadows and a feint just to vanish and run away 😅 so I see what I am doing wrong I just thought that I could get him down with the burst

From stealth of course

[jolly sierra]

god dont think in pvp we do rotations

we watch the moment and think what to do

dont use deathmark on opener until he bubbles

in bubble vanish

[halcyon timber]

Should have speed bagged em in the grocery sack

[jolly sierra]

feint only counters wake of ashes and divine storm

their burst now triggers from the same wake of ashes

so u can just blind or stun him in the burst

if u cant then use evasion after the wake

in shield of vengance try feinting too

rets mains usually doesnt have too much braincells so if u predict their burst and save time by hiding then should be ok

[pure grail]

I am using the pinned assa build. What is the reason for no cloak?

[potent pivot]

oh god dont tell me

hang on a sec

[pure grail]

sorry brother

its gorgeous though

[jolly sierra]

once i recalled a ret prick which was just insulting me for "making him lose" guy flexed his 2k3 xp and noticed he trinketed a gouge, so bursted him, bubbled and i just ran away, guy was mad af

[pure grail]

superior mixture o8

[potent pivot]

Swap nimble fingers for cloak

[pure grail]

kk ty

[potent pivot]

I was probably fried when I put those together

[pure grail]

dw it was only the pro comp stomp bots that got me

[potent pivot]

They’re hitting harder than normal

[pure grail]

probably next weeks gear on or something

[potent pivot]

It’s usually a breeze to win comp stomps

[pliant marsh]

You guys are very helpful thank you a lot I screenshotted this

[jolly sierra]

np

[waxen meteor]

sub goes map quest like, ss->evis next

so easy

especially ss includes teleport lol

[potent pivot]

Yep

I did most of my leveling as sub

[surreal barn]

Quality of life is so high with the cdr on step

[spring bough]

leveling DH as vengeance is wild just like DK was

top damage and just zooming thru dungeons with instant ques

[surreal barn]

Helps that the gear we got from panda land is OP

[potent pivot]

legit everyone is op at like 70-73 it's wild

you literally get weaker in dungeons as you level lmao

[cinder elm]

its mop scaling

in remix once u hit like 60 u just start getting 1 shot and do no dam

[potent pivot]

i think that's just how scaling has been for a long time for leveling

right now it just seems way more pronounced than usual

[spring bough]

yeah its amazing i love it lol

can you do demon form transmog for DH yet?

[potent pivot]

demon form transmog?

you mean your Metamorphosis form?

definitely not

[spring bough]

damn yeah that would be cool lol

[potent pivot]

The War Within Builds

Just some decent builds to use until the season starts, these are very likely to change later on as we play rated and feel things out.

Assassination:

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYMjZmxMDAAAAAAY2MmtZAAAAAAolthZYmxYmZWGDmZMzMzMzYG222GzwgNz2ADYJYZYCMsMA

Outlaw:

CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDmZGzMwMzwMMYGzMjZmptZMLzAAAAAAwssNM8AzMzsxMLjBAAAgZmZgB2gZMaMbA2mwiB

Subtlety:

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAY2mZmlpB2MGGjxMzMzMzMmtZZGzssNMYmxYMzyYAAAAYGGsZ2GYALglhJkZhxA

[twin burrow]

We fatebound fatalist fellas?

Roll the dice taking lives flip a coin get nerfed

[potent pivot]

huh

[twin burrow]

Hello everyone. How are you liking fatebound?

Some good rng for kills. Some bad rng for nerfs.

[potent pivot]

i think it's pretty good for outlaw

as assa i prefer deathstalker for the utility/defensives

it can definitely high roll and pump a little bit

but those high rolls aren't super often

[twin burrow]

The 5 point envenom dispatch talent that increases same flip 33 percent.. that means the existing 50/50 becomes like 68/32 or something like that? Like that's the idea? 33 percent increase from 50/50?

I think it has potential for rogue mage where openers are streamlined. Seems like a very interesting playstyle I thought looked dumb but now enjoy and am excited about.. I hope its our high skill ceiling HT

[potent pivot]

we'll just have to see how it shakes out

i think i'm fine with either as far as damage goes

the utility of deathstalker is just really strong and hard to pass up imo

like having evasion be a 20% DR into caster cleaves

or having cloak be a 20% DR vs melee cleaves

is pretty insane when you think about it

maybe elusiveness makes a come back into some comps where you can feint+cloak/evasion some shit

though the mobility node from fatebound is also nice

[jolly sierra]

guys are cursed enchants bad scaled or is just the tooltip?

[potent pivot]

can u link it

[spring bough]

level 76 on the DH doing a level every 13 minutes lmaooo

[potent pivot]

that's insane

even when i landed in a group insta req'ing it wasn't that fast

[spring bough]

fel scarred is so OP

up to 15% inc on xp

[potent pivot]

yeah that looks broken

[jolly sierra]

f

[twin burrow]

yeah elusiveness seems insane with that deathstalker talent

the deathstalker capstone seems really weak in pvp

compared to fatebound.. and i get to lucky coin pretty easily

[potent pivot]

It’s actually nerfed in pvp and still not that bad tbh

fatebound might be better for gambling some 1v1s in wpvp or something

but when you get down to it, we aren't spamming envenoms like that in arena

[mortal mantle]

Just tried out, and I can agree, it feels like actually having hero talents

The GCD lock is a bit rough, but I can deal with it

[spring bough]

yeah trickster has been fun

doesnt look like much on the details compared to fatebounds ability but it gives like 5% inc dmg overall and stacks or something

so everything beefed up

[potent pivot]

the 5% does not stack

the 3% on finishers from Flawless Form stacks, idr how much

[mortal mantle]

Idk how much Parry affects PvP, but we also can't be parried

[spring bough]

im gonna keep playing it and see how i like it back n forth w fatebound lol

[potent pivot]

only for the Fazed target but ye

[spring bough]

i was getting like 400k hits on flurry

its kinda wicked

[potent pivot]

that could be useful vs classes that parry stuns

[mortal mantle]

Essentially breaks through Arms defense I guess

[spring bough]

i was playing aoe build too so no blinding powder or heavy hitter and it was still smacking people

[potent pivot]

there's some other parry mechanics in pvp

[spring bough]

flurry for instant 7 combo points is kinda nice in BGs

[potent pivot]

that let people parry stuns

[spring bough]

try it out it feels pretty good

HO trickster

the one talent choice im iffy over is cloud cover or no scruples

feel like no scruples cause its just passive and people can run out of the distract cloud

and 10 seconds every 90 seconds with no CDR is meh

and then thousand cuts or flickerstrike, ive been doing thousand. idk if i should try flicker or not

[potent pivot]

something to note: you only have 50% uptime on Fazed

[mortal mantle]

More because of A Thousand Cuts

[spring bough]

and that thousand cuts gives 4 procs a minute

or flicker is a chance every 5 seconds when taking dmg with feint or dodging with evasion

[potent pivot]

it looks like Flawless Form can stacks can keep stacking, but each individual stack has it's own duration

so the stacks can overlap, but they will fall off 1 by 1 as well

[potent pivot]

yeah just going off the base

[spring bough]

im gonna try flicker in a BG now see if i notice more unseen blade procs

[outer sky]

is MA supposed to not be lasting the entire subterfuge window? It should last 9s based on how Im reading it

but it only lasts 3

[potent pivot]

it's on the bug list

no telling if that's intentional by blizzard or not

but i'd imagine not

[potent pivot]

my other issue is Coup really doesn't hit that hard as far as i can tell, it's just a little more than double a regular dispatch

i'm pretty sure Tails hits do more than that

[spring bough]

yeah tails does way more damage noticeably on details

its always around the overall top ability

coup is like 5% if that lol

i guess the idea is it gives 5 stacks of flawless form

[potent pivot]

what does?

[spring bough]

coup does

[potent pivot]

oh you meant coup

[spring bough]

if the target is fazed

[potent pivot]

yeah

coup feels way more dependant on high uptime to me

i mean you can Faze a new target and all your old Unseen Blades still count towards building your next Coup

[outer sky]

Anyone tested this on retail? Im still not seeing a provided buff

[potent pivot]

but stacking up more FF stacks kinda depends on high uptime

[potent pivot]

i can rq 1 sec

[outer sky]

ok ty

[spring bough]

just punched a mistweaver off EOTS LMAO

[outer sky]

Kul Tiran is so troll on EOTS

ive lost mage tower to haymaker so many time because I couldnt trinket>step fast enough

[spring bough]

i hit him with kidney lined it up and sent him

[outer sky]

why even kidney

haymaker knocks and stuns at the same time for ya

[spring bough]

he was running away lol

[outer sky]

ah

[potent pivot]

god FoK feels like trash with so little crit

fuckin a

[outer sky]

would be nice if theyd change it to work like shuriken storm where you get a CP per target hit

[potent pivot]

yeah they'd never do that though

would be kinda busted

this is just me spamming fok and bleeds on the 3 target dummies

there's no visible buff, that much is for sure

[outer sky]

so do we think it's working?

[potent pivot]

i'm about to test without it talented

[outer sky]

kk

[potent pivot]

well i kinda can't

if i swap to fatebound it'll buff my damage

[outer sky]

swap to the other node

[potent pivot]

and if i swap to Momentum it'll buff it as well

i'll just stay this talent and not rupture all 3

[outer sky]

kk

[potent pivot]

i didn't even check FoK damage

so gonna have to go by the CT dam

but i'm gonna go ahead and guess that it's working as intended

otherwise the pve guys would've noticed and put it on the bug list

[outer sky]

I keep forgetting theres another channel lol

[potent pivot]

yeah it's definitely working

[outer sky]

that looks the same as the last one

[potent pivot]

no it doesn't

look at the CT hits on the right of both pictures

[outer sky]

oh ye

ok cool

wish there was a way to check up time

[potent pivot]

yeah i feel like there should be a visible buff

[spring bough]

they did a new bg for this xpack??

deephaul ravine

[outer sky]

Yeah

[spring bough]

this is pretty cool ngl

[potent pivot]

yeah it's got carts you can ride in mid i think

[spring bough]

is it in blitz?

rated blitz

[potent pivot]

they shoot you over to the enemy side

i assume so? not sure

[outer sky]

It's like carts and arathi in one map

[spring bough]

with flags too lol

or crystals i guess they are called

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-obtain-two-free-34-slot-bags-in-the-war-within-346109

kinda cool ig

[spring bough]

trickster with 1k cuts. team did so bad lol. but thats the most unseeen blade procs ive had. used swift slasher this time

[outer sky]

I think trickster is just plain undertuned

I can maybe see it into WW monk comps in arena

Just because of the parry immunity

But right now that's about it

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's necessarily undertuned, because it buffs your damage in a couple different ways

but it does seem a bit weaker than fate

[spring bough]

cant really see the 5%inc it gives overall

wish there was something to gauge that lol

im gonna keep going back n forth lol

[potent pivot]

the only real way to gauge it is to sit on dummies for a couple hours

[stoic spruce]

Chat does sonic have an app?

Wrong server

[potent pivot]

outlaw has so much variance in damage because of rolls and other stuff

[spring bough]

def does

get them reward points bby

[potent pivot]

so it takes a lot of testing

[terse bolt]

stealth not yet fixed 😦

[potent pivot]

what

[terse bolt]

it gets out of stealth for no reason

it has been like that for some time now

[potent pivot]

yeah it's prolly not going to change either

[gilded gulch]

Kind of funny how both the 36 slot bags in this game were tied to limited time events.

[potent pivot]

yeh... doesn't bother me too terribly much though if i'm being honest

i've got way bigger gripes with time limited content

[gilded gulch]

the hearthstone toy from the event not sharing a cd with every other hearthstone as of the prepatch

[potent pivot]

longboi...mage tower....challenge modes.........elite sets.......................................

[gilded gulch]

is a funny oversight….

[potent pivot]

what are they called

it's from the prepatch that's up rn?

[gilded gulch]

Stone of the hearth

it was the old hearthstone event a few months ago

[potent pivot]

oh :/

[gilded gulch]

apparently the zereth mortis one

and diablo town portal are the same cd

but not with the other hearths

[potent pivot]

they also stopped giving the diablo mount now

[gilded gulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=142542/tome-of-town-portal#comments

Likely spaghetti code

[potent pivot]

yeah

i really gotta start paying more attention to events n shit

i barely ever even bother looking at rewards lmao

well

i should make another 40k from this quick thing i did on all my alts

[gilded gulch]

[potent pivot]

there's a quick quest you can do that rewards mats

takes legit 1 minute per character

but they gotta be 70 to go to Dornagol i think(?)

[gilded gulch]

oh that

[terse bolt]

does anyone play outlaw in pvp?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[terse bolt]

is it any good as a brawler for big fights?

never seen one in solo rbgs or even random bgs

[gilded gulch]

I mean if you’re playing rogue in rbgs

[potent pivot]

it's okay, but a rogues job isn't usually team fights

[gilded gulch]

you dont teamfight

[terse bolt]

yeah i know

but who cares

if i go outlaw i will go fight

[gilded gulch]

play dk then

[spring bough]

fatebound this time but a team win too so better team fights for us vs a loss on the trickster.

[gilded gulch]

yoink people into the meatgrinder

[terse bolt]

No i want to play a bugged class

that rarely works properly

[gilded gulch]

so monk?

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

I can't wait to play outlaw

I can finally complain about crackshot

[gilded gulch]

I mean you’re kind of inting if playing rogue in rbg

and not playing for bases etc

[potent pivot]

outlaw should be fine in team fights if that's really what you're going to do, but you will not do as well as other classes or even assa

[terse bolt]

i am not inting my fun

[gilded gulch]

Idk how anyone finds teamfight fun as melee

you eat so much micro cc

[stoic spruce]

But every melee has some sort of immunity or reflect

[terse bolt]

You have to be a masochist, indeed

[gilded gulch]

dk is funny because you yoink people into the pit

[terse bolt]

any class without stealth is not fun

the only option here is rogue

[gilded gulch]

druid

[stoic spruce]

No just rogue

No other stealth class

In the game

[spring bough]

i found a weak aura that shows your last 5 crack shot windows and the total damage you did and number of crack shots u landed

[potent pivot]

hunter

[stoic spruce]

It's so hard

To not

Hate

[terse bolt]

you are absolutely right

[halcyon timber]

Popo how goes the experiment ?

[stoic spruce]

You know that scene where rumplestiltskin claws at the floorboard with his toenails while Shrek signs the contract?

[halcyon timber]

Lololol

[stoic spruce]

Which one

[spring bough]

the one where u gonna love HO crackshot by the end of season 1

[halcyon timber]

The non crackshot experiment

[stoic spruce]

I'm in the process of multiple experiments with different classes

Oh

[halcyon timber]

You were speaking about the other day

[stoic spruce]

Well Ace nerf got reverted so there's no way now

Was within tuning range

Not no mo

[stoic spruce]

It had all of 10.2.5 ptr, S3, S4, prepatch, and what little beta I played, take make that happen.

Now, I think something can happen going into season 2

It's not copium because

Lemme cook

[spring bough]

bring back blunder buss 2025

so i can call it the bussy build lmao

[halcyon timber]

Lord lol

[stoic spruce]

It can happen

Because

They ran out of time to iterate

Boom

Done

Ezpz

Should aura nerf outlaw

The reactions would be hilarious

[spring bough]

just give us the old sword rogue spec back. turn melee back to our top dmg

then add the melee range back lmao

[stoic spruce]

No that's a pipe dream

They could, however, make melee our top dmg and bring back increased melee range.

I'm so smart

[spring bough]

lmao

[lime oar]

Pika stream is absolutely cooked rn wtf did I just tune into

[spring bough]

pika streaming this late?

bro isnt gaming for once what twilight zone are we in

this is like inception

[outer sky]

lol wtf is he doing

and what are those women wearing lmfao

[potent pivot]

jah asked him to come on their dating show lmao

[outer sky]

I am so glad I met my wife at 21 if thats what dating looks like right now jfc

[lime oar]

It’s a dating game show basically and apparently he’s just been roasting every other guy 😂

[stoic spruce]

Those are dudes 100%

[outer sky]

Oh god

Crusader

[stoic spruce]

He's how I imagine most of you

[outer sky]

that dude always sounds like he just chain smoked 3 packs of cigarettes and got aome gay dude's semen stuck in the back of his throat

I hate that guy so much

[lime oar]

This is so fried haha

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-crusader3455-wow-spazz-out-beast-mode-gif-25970151

[potent pivot]

damn prepatch is still insane

58-60 in 3 minutes

[jolly sierra]

almost got all lvl 80 speed gearset, just miss a ring and a cloak and im done

noticed there is a blasphemite which gives speed per gem socketed

like a 2% each

[outer sky]

how are you getting gear?

dungeons?

[terse bolt]

begging in front of the AH

or world quests i guess

[jolly sierra]

sniping it from AH

[outer sky]

thats a lot of gold

[jolly sierra]

nah

[outer sky]

the pvp gear on my server is like 50k/piece at minimum

[jolly sierra]

costed cheaper than expected

[potent pivot]

he's buying regular gear

with speed on it

[jolly sierra]

dagger costed 200g, most of gear costed like 3.5-5k each, trinket was the most expensive w 15k

yeye i wanna have it secured for end xp just in case i get nothing ahead w late patches

[outer sky]

is trinket even worth in pvp?

[jolly sierra]

how is the set rn?

[outer sky]

12% agi 5% stam

[jolly sierra]

yes

it does

[terse bolt]

boys dont buy gear now, come next week it wil lbe trash again

wtf

[jolly sierra]

dude relax is speed gear for solo farming

lol

[potent pivot]

huh wdym

[outer sky]

you lose the set bonus if you wear an AH trinket

[jolly sierra]

are u serious it get lost?

[potent pivot]

lmao

[jolly sierra]

combatant gear always gave the bonus

wtf

[stoic spruce]

That's gotta be an oversight

[jolly sierra]

well in that case

do u still have ur pvp trinkets from DF?

i think the ID is the same

for the bonus

[spring bough]

Picking up herbs and mining to fill time between ques was so worth it

Just made like 10k gold off like 30 minutes of flying around 😂

Not even

[potent pivot]

damn not bad

i'm trying to grind the prepatch mount rq

no idea why

[jolly sierra]

u dont have it yet?

hurry up lol

[potent pivot]

nah i spent all my memories on gear to catalyst into tier sets

[spring bough]

How do we get it

[jolly sierra]

damn

[jolly sierra]

for like 20k pre event coins or so

u can get it in last day tho but u will need to grind A LOT

[spring bough]

I have 600 yeah nope lol

[potent pivot]

it takes like an hour lol

i've already gone from 57->68

69 now

and 10k memories

15k once i do the big boss n turn in the daily quest

ez

[jolly sierra]

dude are 20k

each zone quest gives 200

killing the end one 1400

(imaginining from scratches)

[potent pivot]

the daily quests give 3k

[jolly sierra]

ye

9k

w all

then?

[potent pivot]

each event takes literally 1 minute

then u fly to the next one

[jolly sierra]

200 each

[wintry dew]

I leveled a char 10-70 in around 4 hours

I had around 40k

[potent pivot]

so?

ill have the mount in like 30 minutes

[wintry dew]

I bought 2 sets of FULL gear for 2 characters

[potent pivot]

...

[jolly sierra]

depends of server

for me takes like 3-5m per event

[potent pivot]

you just join a group to swap shards

server doesn't matter

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmmmm

that still takes time to get the right shard i think

[potent pivot]

you can also join a Echoes group

if there's any in eu

[jolly sierra]

lets see

[potent pivot]

i've been here 45 minutes

and have 15k memories

[jolly sierra]

w that amount of queue? lol

[potent pivot]

wdym?

oh and i also just hit 70

[outer sky]

Damn enchants are EXPENSIVE

[jolly sierra]

oh just one

gz

[potent pivot]

yeah i wouldn't buy anything until like right before season starts at minimum

[outer sky]

I bought the shit gear

cost me like 50k for everything

not bad

[potent pivot]

oof

ain't no way i'm buying anything i replace monday

[outer sky]

50k is basically nothing

[potent pivot]

for me rn it is i'm down to like 500k

i'm also planning to save up 10m for a long boy this expac

[outer sky]

also, I just noticed. Is MA not even fucking working?

or has it never shown as stats?

[potent pivot]

hmm

i honestly don't remember off top

[jovial sundial]

where are yall finding the best places to grief and kill lowbies

[potent pivot]

with the way things are scaled the lowbies will probably kill you

they have way more armor and stat scaling

[jovial sundial]

thats disgusting

[potent pivot]

yeah it's pretty bad this expansion

[outer sky]

btw what happens to gear on monday? Season is still a couple weeks away

[potent pivot]

we can buy honor gear

[outer sky]

ah ok

idk why they wouldnt let us do that now

[potent pivot]

i'm just going to farm the 4k cap on multiple characters

[outer sky]

wtf is the point of early access

[potent pivot]

then transfer it all to rogue

gg fully geared day 1

[potent pivot]

everyone without early access would be complaining that it's the apocalypse on the forums if they did

[outer sky]

then they should get early access

[hollow carbon]

There shouldn’t be an early access to begin with

[potent pivot]

^agree

early access especially for an expansion of a game is just trash

man the fact that people have 7-13 80s already is insanity

[potent pivot]

[hollow carbon]

Some ppl just like to burn out in 4 days and complain then

[potent pivot]

Most have already been complaining that there’s nothing to do

Since honor cap is 4k all there is to do is world quests, low level delves and leveling alts

[hollow carbon]

It’s not that the info was there beforehand

[potent pivot]

yeah

[outer sky]

I like it because it splits up the player base so that every player in the game isn't all logging on at the same day and time all at once causing the servers to crap out

[potent pivot]

tf lmao

[outer sky]

the double l in blizzard lmfao

[potent pivot]

i think i'm going to use my 70 boost from buying the exp on monk

never tried one before

[indigo hill]

It's a nice class to play. Mained it from mop till now.

[outer sky]

WW is fun for sure

[potent pivot]

the only classes i don't have 70 are lock/monk/evoker i think

lock is already 60 though so not wasting it on that

[outer sky]

I dont have lock, mage, warrior, or priest

[potent pivot]

priest was surpisingly fun to level

might actually give it a shot in arena a bit

[hollow carbon]

I just leveled a warrior for the first time ever and it was hella fun 😅

[wanton breach]

get banned! blozzerd is up to your shenanigans

can't hide from blizarrd

[potent pivot]

[nova viper]

Seeeeeeeexo

[nova viper]

U got ban? F o7

Buy new account

[potent pivot]

nop

got a scam whisper

[hollow carbon]

WW was first Char I had on Max level in mop, it was so always fun to play. But it had some weird bugs going on with SEF etc

[shy sapphire]

hey, what spec is looking better for rogue?

[potent pivot]

all 3 are fine

[indigo hill]

Got all classes and some multiple. Priest only 1 cause that class is horrible.

Made it in wod and didn't reach max till df.

[safe pelican]

Operation DK has begun

Ran some skirmishes on my sub main feels meh but it’s cool I need the game to go live already, bring back shadow dance for assas that was the most fun i had on rogue since i got back into the game

[last jasper]

The actual info about limits was released like 2-3 weeks ago? And the main issue is that leveling is way too short. (Which is good overall, but bad during ea)

[hollow carbon]

Y that’s what I meant 🙂

[last jasper]

So true. They only messed up the expac launch with this move basically