pvp

[vocal surge]

I was walking around TWW in lvl 50s gear

From MoP remix lol

[last jasper]

Pretty much same ilvl. Rogue is only in full conq

You get 470 or so after remix. And rog is currently in 489

Hilarious. Can boost ppl lmao

[vocal surge]

My MoP remix gear was ilvl 239

[last jasper]

depends on level. lvl70 got 467

this is fresh from remix

[potent pivot]

ye mine was 467 as well on all toons

then i got 480 and tier set for half of them from prepatch event

[spring bough]

Gear was coming quick leveling

Went from 480 to 535 like no problem

[potent pivot]

yeesh

i haven't replaced the majority of my 480

but i'm only 74

[spring bough]

And that’s with getting 12 helm drops ina row from dungeons lol

[last jasper]

Yea. And you barely will till level 76-77

[potent pivot]

yeah

not too too worried about it either way

didn't start leveling til this morning

[grave basin]

wouldnt honor gear be better than anything we can get now?

[last jasper]

there is no honor rn

[potent pivot]

but it will be better than whatever we can get rn yes

pretty positive

and we can get it monday

[dapper chasm]

Guys, guys - I have achieved it

Hold onto your heads here

The old crit sound - so you know when you crit

That kinda crunchy one

[wintry dew]

👀

[dapper chasm]

Also replacing the combo points sound with marimba notes

[harsh kiln]

and the animacharged one witha horn blast

[dapper chasm]

Going in hard with something like A C E A C E A for the notes and then for the last A I do a little chord

For animacharged, not that I use it, I went with a thing that creates a glowing border around the combo point

And then colours them all the 7th colour when you hit that combo

[pearl dune]

Deathstalker for sub?

[dapper chasm]

Also added a little FA tracker on the top

[pearl dune]

Or just assa

[grave basin]

what do i get when i finish this?

[harsh kiln]

i made this weakaura for my cps

[dapper chasm]

Your virginity back

Gotta lose it all over again

[grave basin]

never lost it playing my edge lord toon

plays evenescence in the background

[dapper chasm]

The other day I found some long lost art you will appreciate

[potent pivot]

@wintry dew

you seen this shit yet?!

[wintry dew]

o.o

[potent pivot]

it's fucking INSANE

[grave basin]

what is that??

[dapper chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ3HKbm9ObM

[potent pivot]

a cosmetic weapon

[grave basin]

1h mace?

[grave basin]

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

[potent pivot]

yh

[potent pivot]

this is so wild lmao

[wintry dew]

Holy moly

[potent pivot]

you can even enchant it... but will you be able to tell?? rofl

[wintry dew]

That's wild fire

[potent pivot]

enchants only really do the weapon - not the fire unfortunately

it's not as pronounced :/

still pretty wild tho

does leave a trial tho

[spring bough]

Lit torch one of the coolest mogs

[surreal barn]

Lvl 77

I haven’t left tanaris

[dapper chasm]

THIS IS MY LAST BRIE TORT

[surreal barn]

I been killing these gnolls lol

If you kill them inbetween dungeon queues it’s about 20 minutes a level

[potent pivot]

where's that

[surreal barn]

I never completed the warband quest

Then noticed these little shits had no health and hyperspawned

[candid tide]

only one accoutn needs to finish up the main quests right guys?

[potent pivot]

i haven't done it either

[potent pivot]

yeah

[spring bough]

You gonna wake up tomorrow and blizz gonna roll back all that xp 😂

“These mobs shouldn’t have given xp” 😭

[surreal barn]

lol

Who needs TWW

I just need tanaris

[rain crown]

Is my honor from df gone

?

Probably right

[wintry dew]

Probably yea

[surreal barn]

I got two epic patterns that don’t seem to be soulbound

Am I rich

[wary moss]

Probably asked a few times now but what are we feeling for assassination hero talents?

I have been leveling with fatebound and it seems pretty solid

[potent pivot]

Sort of a toss up, but deathstalker has the best defensive utility and is pretty equal or better in damage

It’s gonna take a few weeks after season starts before people really figure out the best strats

[surreal barn]

Let’s talk about farming single targets with darkest night though lol

Two pops and dead

[potent pivot]

New honor gear should be out Monday as far as I’m aware

[wary moss]

With remand+clarity, and the envenom buffs from fatebound. You get some sick damage spamming out envenom

[potent pivot]

We just gotta wait n see what it’s like in arena

[marble crag]

i feel like deathstalker doesnt feel as good as with subtlety for assa. Evenom is not such a core ability. I wish the death mark interacted with rupture instead maybe. Dont know but the deathmark mechanic feels more about burst than DoT of assa. The rest of the tree does feel very good for assa but they are like more random passives disconected from the deathmarks and the capstone

i feel like once they fix deathstalker, that talent is going to feel much better as sub

[potent pivot]

fix it how?

imo it fits assa quite well. i don't think the issue is that it doesn't fit assa, but moreso that assa's gameplay as of late is what doesn't fit deathstalker.

assa shouldn't be spamming FoK and doing nothing but spreading bleeds, it has other spells for a reason.

[dapper chasm]

Do you guys even spend a whole hour sampling instruments to make sure your combo points have the right twang?

[candid tide]

assa shouldnt be opening with ambush

i think

[potent pivot]

why not

[candid tide]

because its not really a burster

class

[dapper chasm]

Because the real rogue would be sub

[potent pivot]

that is only true if you look at the very recent past though

[candid tide]

what u want is to get bleeds on everybody asap

but i could be wrong

[marble crag]

yeah maybe you are right

what should assa be about then?

[potent pivot]

what we're currently tuned to do, compared to what we've always done

is very different

[candid tide]

i see

[potent pivot]

like no matter what you've wanted to get bleeds out first sure

but you don't lose that much opening with ambush and pressing garrote a global later

[candid tide]

like if u open up with ambush u waste one whole gbc first before u can bleed up

idk feels like some downtime

and u only have some secondss before garrote talents gets off cooldown

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean when it comes down to it

i feel like it would've been better on garrote just like everyone else right

but it isn't

but at the same time, ambush and mutilate have almost always been fine to press in arena

same goes for envenom

[candid tide]

yeah at times fs

like going for the kill

[potent pivot]

no

i don't mean this current garbage, i mean like before DF

you'd only really press FoK if you either couldn't press mutilate or you really wanted to spread poisons

mutilate is the more reliable generator

[candid tide]

cant say havent play before df

[potent pivot]

the main problem with it rn is that mut costs more energy for whatever god awful reason

and does piss damage to boot

but this aoe spam gameplay is one of the worst iterations of assa i've ever seen

before, you'd spread bleeds on 1 or 2 targets and try to set up a kill with vendetta, mut, ambush, envenom, etc

[candid tide]

i see, well i havent pvp yet to see what u are getting at, maybe its still to early to jump on conclusion yet

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not saying what's going to happen

currently it doesn't look like that's what's going to happen

but we'll see

[last jasper]

Jeez, coup de grace is still bugged and with no animation in ea 🫠

[wintry dew]

Maybe you're using VV?

[potent pivot]

?

[wintry dew]

That talent that increases mutilate cost

Maybe I didn't read the whole convo

[steel scarab]

@wintry dew he means Mutilate costs more energy than FOK and it shouldn't

[potent pivot]

base mutilate costs more energy than fok now

[wintry dew]

Sorry my bad

I did half read

[steel scarab]

It's been a problem through all of DF

[safe pelican]

Anyone know if the honor gear is out yet or too soon ?

[wintry dew]

Too soon

[harsh kiln]

prob the 26th?:o

[safe pelican]

Kopy ty

[steel scarab]

Trickz I'm glad you're finally seeing what I've been complaining about for a year lol

Mutilate is so so awfully tuned

[potent pivot]

i mean i've always seen it

i've always been of this opinion

[narrow tangle]

i use fok %90 times instead of mutilate

[potent pivot]

i just try to voice in a positive light as much as my mental will let me

[potent pivot]

right now you do yeah

but it shouldn't be that way

[spring bough]

Yall should come over to the outlaw boat 🏴‍☠️

[harsh kiln]

already there brother.

[narrow tangle]

how is tww rogue

[potent pivot]

it's fine

[spring bough]

Fun as always

[potent pivot]

ask again in 3 weeks

[safe pelican]

Sub feels meh I’m not going to say it’s bad until I’m fully geared i like the coup de grace proc that hits pretty hard need gear to really tell once everyone is on the same i lvl

[potent pivot]

sub is good on beta so

should be good

with deathstalker > trickster

[safe pelican]

I’m running trickster right now will flip over and try death stalker after work

[potent pivot]

testing rn on live will give you very mixed results

just throwing that out there

[steel scarab]

Also, consider this:

We all agree FoK and Mut damage is almost equivalent

Vicious Venoms then costs 2 talent points and buffs Mutilate by 35% per talent point, BUT has the massive drawback of making it cost more energy, which is obviously a DPS decrease as a spec since way more % of our damage comes from other energy spenders like Garrote and Rupture than it does from Mutilate. So overall you probably break even in damage with 2/2 this talent if you're lucky.

You can, instead of putting 2 points in VV, put the 2 talents in Thrown Precision (which gives +10% crit to FoK, roughly a 10% FOK damage increase depending on your current critrate) with the added benefit of way more poison applications, since every FoK crit is guaranteed poison. And no energy cost downside like with VV.

And the other talent you put into Flying Daggers, which again, has no downside, increases FoK damage by 15%, increases its range, AND increases damage by an additional 15% when hitting multiple targets.

Just, like... can anyone explain why VV makes it cost more energy? It makes it quite literally one of the weakest talents in our entire tree, and it's supposed to be a near-capstone talent

[potent pivot]

it would be fine if mut base was the same as fok base

[steel scarab]

I'm not even entirely convinced that people would use Mutilate in pvp over FOK if they simply removed the energy increase portion of Vicious Venoms, but it's a start, and at least then maybe SOME PEOPLE would use it?

[potent pivot]

would literally solve the entire issue

if they'd put mut back in line with fok i don't think the +5 energy cost would matter tbh

[steel scarab]

It's +10

[potent pivot]

ykwim

[steel scarab]

5 per point

I think if Mut cost 35, yeah, +10 would be ok

[potent pivot]

but you're not wrong

there's too much stuff that only adds and adds to fok

competing with something that adds and subtracts from mut

VV damage is also bugged and unaffected by shiv

[jolly sierra]

disagree, fok hits harder than mut overall

[steel scarab]

@jolly sierra true, but that only helps my point lol

[jolly sierra]

wut wut

[wintry dew]

@jolly sierra hi panda how have you been

[jolly sierra]

well, its a little sweetbitter atm

i got a job, but my best friend is melting bad for a breakdown, basically they replaced her after was dumped

[wintry dew]

Wtff

So you're in a better position and she's crap

[jolly sierra]

basically

time has moved rocky here in less than a year

im helping her for now cuz i wasnt called yet for now but i signed a contract anyways

[wintry dew]

Gotta lend her a shoulder my man

[jolly sierra]

so its fine

[wintry dew]

I'm really happy for you

Like really

It's good seeing brothers take Ws

[jolly sierra]

i am, but im not so kind, and even she told me that, so im being honest about her situation but with enough touch to dont hurt her more than she is

i think that is the approaching she is needing for now, so im happy to help, hope she starts brighting again

[jolly sierra]

thank you royal, even dooming i knew this would be temporary

[wintry dew]

Let's go bro

We knew it was temporary, I'm glad you endured it

[dapper chasm]

Does someone have a working LoseControl?

[potent pivot]

@outer sky ayo you on

[potent pivot]

a what

[dapper chasm]

It's an addon

[potent pivot]

LOCCD?

[dapper chasm]

You're saying I should just make it from scratch in weakauras...

[potent pivot]

what is it's function

[jolly sierra]

even in a chaos ill able to stand up ironically if im showing a shit face and a foul mood XD

[dapper chasm]

No, it just shows CC on target/player/unit frames

[jolly sierra]

thank you for your kindness

[potent pivot]

diminish and bigdebuffs

[dapper chasm]

Diminish sounds like an addon for diminishing returns

[potent pivot]

ye

[dapper chasm]

LS is super lightweight and single purpose

[potent pivot]

there's a few that do it

[dapper chasm]

I already have working DR trackers on WA

[potent pivot]

flyplatebuffs, bigdebuffs, betterblizzplates(i think)

[dapper chasm]

LS is different, I think I've tried those over the years

[potent pivot]

Plater

[dapper chasm]

LS shows a single icon fixed to an anchor for each unit frame, and that icon shows the current strongest CC on them

[potent pivot]

that's LC

[dapper chasm]

What's LC?

[potent pivot]

idk if there's any specifically like that

LoseControl=LC

[dapper chasm]

Then why was I saying LS?

[potent pivot]

good question

[dapper chasm]

Thank you

What happens with these addons that break is that some nerd somewhere fixes it for himself and never shares

Trust me - I have nearly every broken addon updated by confronting those nerds

[jolly sierra]

@potent pivot im buying pve gear for lvl 80 w full speed

[dapper chasm]

So, who's clutching a LC fix here?

[jolly sierra]

got both a trinket and a belt

[dapper chasm]

As a tip, you can usually find fixes on the github page to see who's done forks

But LC doesn't have a git

[potent pivot]

a lot of the pvp addons have been getting fixed and reposted

by other people

[dapper chasm]

Aye, that was my hope

[potent pivot]

"diminish by jaesa"

[dapper chasm]

Otherwise I gotta do it myself, and I really don't want to

[potent pivot]

"sArena by sammers"

[dapper chasm]

My brother in Christ, those are not the addons I seek

[potent pivot]

many pvp addons are losing support at once

it's kinda wild

[dapper chasm]

The latest update was a slap in the face of many casual addon authors

[potent pivot]

i'm saying those addons were very recently updated by someone new and reposted with those titles

as examples

[dapper chasm]

I was being facetious

[potent pivot]

you astute crackrogue

[dapper chasm]

[graceful ravine]

whats there left to do after 80 and 4k honor capped lol

[hidden moth]

anyone got a sub build?

[potent pivot]

linked in pins

[hidden moth]

prepatch build

[potent pivot]

oh i need to switch those to hero talents

ye it's the same you just add deathstalker

[hidden moth]

okay okay

[potent pivot]

sec

[potent pivot]

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAY2mZmlpB2MGGjxMzMzMzMmtZZGjlthZYmxYMzyYAAAAYGGsZWGYALglhJkZhxA

[hidden moth]

nice thanks!

[potent pivot]

you can swap between Lingering Darkness and Symbolic Victory

[hidden moth]

works well in wpvp?

[potent pivot]

on the hero talent tree

should be fine yeah, but definitely feel free to play around with different stuff

this is mainly taken from people's arena testing

didn't pay as much attention to duels n stuff

[stoic spruce]

Now you get to sit there and think about how they extra money for early access was so worth

Because that's all there's left lol

Level alts?

Farm mats for moolah

[harsh kiln]

that's pretty much it.

[potent pivot]

okay yeah that was right

noice

[harsh kiln]

GS+BTe+Kidney into killing spree = gold

[potent pivot]

yeah i didn't even kidney there

for the +10%

so that would've been a 2m KS

[harsh kiln]

yeah it's really good, and such a short cd aswell

[potent pivot]

prolly does a little less on players because of vers

but that'd still be pretty good even so

[stoic spruce]

Gmmm

Gmmm

Hmmmm

Jeez

My brain hatched an idea

[potent pivot]

as long as it involves crackshot we will consider it

[stoic spruce]

Ofc

I'm going to stop hating on crackshot until I play it again in TWW

So get ready

Because absolutely nothing will change

[potent pivot]

I’m also not even using any enchants/embellishments/sockets for that KS

[jolly sierra]

look, sonic gear can be upgraded at 80

this is a trinket

and this a belt

[stoic spruce]

My friend

What stats are on the pvp gear

Do you know?

[graceful ravine]

wasnt worth it at all lmao

as a pvper at least

[jolly sierra]

emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

not for sure no

[graceful ravine]

getting to 80 took 6 hours

[stoic spruce]

Wild

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=218377/forged-aspirants-leather-spaulders

here here

[potent pivot]

conquest gear is 619 (639)

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/search?q=forged+aspirant+leather

[potent pivot]

those greens are likely from crafters

at a lower level than honor

is my guess

626 greens

[last jasper]

Yea. Aspirant is a crafted

[potent pivot]

ain't no way they're gonna be 626

maybe if you upgrade them with the crafter things from vendor

[last jasper]

So panda just said. Ppl without ea can farm 4k honor too. So what was the point of limiting honor in the first place

[potent pivot]

who knows

[jolly sierra]

guys which dismish addon is the updated now?

[last jasper]

Sarena 😂

[jolly sierra]

nono

the DR one

XD

[last jasper]

[potent pivot]

sarena has dr

[dapper chasm]

Weakauras

[potent pivot]

"diminish by jaesa"

"sArena updated by sammers"

[dapper chasm]

This is the import for a working Weakauras DR tracker

[stoic spruce]

No it's not

[dapper chasm]

You fucking what, son?

[stoic spruce]

It's a virus that leaks into the real world and will explode your balls

[dapper chasm]

Your face is your balls

[stoic spruce]

And my balls is your face

[potent pivot]

wago links are generally more trusted

[stoic spruce]

It seems we have reached a staleface

[dapper chasm]

I've not been running the long con here, don't worry

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

Months of being a UI enthusiast, for this moment

[potent pivot]

i ain't clickin' it

[dapper chasm]

Your face is bad and you should feel bad, NoTrickz

[potent pivot]

even if you were my irl homie your account could've been compromised

[dapper chasm]

Dude, the link is fine. Just click the LinkinP4rk.exe

That's the mp3 for the album

[stoic spruce]

Can confirm

No compromised profile here

Beep boop

[queen lantern]

Anyone know by chance if honor is resetting before season start?

[potent pivot]

Nah it shouldn’t

[queen lantern]

Thanks!

[graceful ravine]

Death demise is OP

So easy to snipe kills in bgs

[spring bough]

Who’s seen this blackmyth game??

10 million copies sold in three days is wild

[potent pivot]

Palworld did similar numbers didn't it?

but yeah it looks pretty damn good

looks kinda similar to elden ring in a way doesn't it

maybe not quite as difficult

[proud vortex]

guys i cant change talent loadouts

this fucking mesagge keeps popping up

and i have no aviable talents to spent

[potent pivot]

even on the hero talent tree?

take a full screenshot

[proud vortex]

sure

not a single point left to use

[potent pivot]

have you tried reloading or relogging

[dapper chasm]

So is this new tree auto-picked by your spec?

Or do you have to make a google "choice"?

[wintry dew]

Are you using any WA / addon for talents?

[potent pivot]

don't think so

sub is playing some ridiculously cursed shit in pve right now afaik

[lime oar]

r we using lingering darkness or symbolic victory in deathstalker tree

[potent pivot]

for pvp?

[lime oar]

yee

sub

[potent pivot]

as sin i think you stay symb

[dapper chasm]

I don't fuck with dragons

[potent pivot]

as sub you pick either

[proud vortex]

nope

only one weak aura

and its not a talent wa

[wintry dew]

i've read yesterday/today that some addons/WA's are bugging talents out

[potent pivot]

symb directly affects your goes, lingering nets you more overall dam if you dance again after blades

[proud vortex]

and its not autpicked this is what i saw in pinned guides for st

[dapper chasm]

I tried checking the pins but there were messages there like this one that made me feel unwelcome here

It's like you can't even be an asshole or troll anymore...

[potent pivot]

not in here you can't

[dapper chasm]

My man, it's the player vs player channel

[potent pivot]

i don't see how that matters

[dapper chasm]

What are we meant to do? Calmly discuss the game amongst friends?

[potent pivot]

yep

[dapper chasm]

What if someone says something stupid? Just... Let it go?

[potent pivot]

yep

[dapper chasm]

What if they have an anime profile pic? Just not make fun of it?

[potent pivot]

yep

[dapper chasm]

This is sick

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

Well, at least I have you to take it out on

[potent pivot]

the weight of the hammer is heavy

but ye shall be smited

[dapper chasm]

The crown weighs heavy, my man

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

I was toeing the line since TBC

I SNORT that line

Ok, what if someone asks a question that was already asked 1000x? Surely we can mock that person?

[potent pivot]

no

like half of the point is to help people here

[dapper chasm]

He...lp?

[potent pivot]

for things that are asked often we have pins and commands

and the pvp faq will be back up soon

[dapper chasm]

Ok, last one - what if someone posts their UI here, and obviously it's worse than mine. How should I hammer that fact home?

[potent pivot]

however you deem necessary as long as it isn't an infraction of #rules-and-guides

[dapper chasm]

Well, my UI breaks the first rule right off the bat

That shit is straight pornographic

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

Ok, we can't mock the Blizzard team? You jest

[potent pivot]

nop

that's moreso for like

directly insulting devs or people and shit

criticism is fine

[dapper chasm]

Damn straight

What's Blizzard ever done for us?

[potent pivot]

they made the game you spend hours making weakauras for

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, OK - they made WoW

But apart from that, what has Blizzard ever done for us?

[potent pivot]

they allowed weakauras to remain in the game so that you could make weakauras for hours for the game

[dapper chasm]

Ok, they made WoW and maintained it with updates for 2 decades

But apart from THAT, what have they ever done?

[potent pivot]

they gave us 1 day of free game time for the absurdly long maintenance the other day

that's about it

[dapper chasm]

Ok, they made WoW and maintained it with updates for 2 decades, and made sure to have a customer support team in case of issues

But apart from THAT, what have they REALLY done?

[last jasper]

I recall one month of sub or so back when hots was in beta

[dapper chasm]

Ok, they made WoW and maintained it with updates for 2 decades, and made sure to have a customer support team in case of issues, and released a host of other titles with their own dedicated teams

But apart from THAT, what have they REALLY done?

Yeah - I thought so

Down with Blizzard, I say

[wintry dew]

I've been laughing for the last 30sec

Zanaken you're really something xD

[outer sky]

@potent pivot sorry just got on and saw your message. Whats up?

Also can someone make sense of this for me

this rogue is level 70

in last seasons gear

one shotting everything

7.7m kingsbane

he did 10x everyone elses damage

how

[potent pivot]

scaling

that was in a dungeon yes?

lower levels have more armor, more secondary stats, and are hitting lower level mobs with lower armor

[outer sky]

yeah a dungeon

[potent pivot]

that's just how the normal dungeon are scaled for leveling so that level 70s can live and keep up without dragging down 78s

pay it no attention

[outer sky]

he pressed KB once and killed the boss by himself lol

[potent pivot]

yep

legit any level 70 can do that

if they have halfway decent s4 gear

the meta right now is queuing with friends and rotating in level 70s every few levels

can hit 80 in ~3hrs like that

[potent pivot]

i was on the beta

haste outlaw felt 10x better to me

i tested the feel of both for a few mins

and did a timed 5 minute rotation with haste gear

need to do a timed 5min with crit next

going to compare the average dmg of abilties, average dmg of crits, and the amount of globals

[outer sky]

keep me posted

[spring bough]

Anyone get into the delve stuff?

Bout to hit those up and some dungeons / BGs

[potent pivot]

all i know is campaign leveling is slow as fuck

[spring bough]

Took me two hours campaign questing from 78 to 80

Then my dungeon Que popped right after I dinged lmao

[potent pivot]

i started this morning and i'm only 76, but i've taken a lot of long breaks to go do other shit

i pray someone finds some broken leveling shit for alts soon

my new mog goes hard

[spring bough]

Diggin for gold lol

I’m about to start working on hallowfall arathi rep to get the tabard mog

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-level-alts-to-level-80-quickly-in-3-hours-war-within-early-access-346079

[spring bough]

This hallowfall dungeon has to be the coolest I’ve seen in a while

[potent pivot]

yeah you missed me takling about it :p

[wintry dew]

goddamn it

[potent pivot]

not broken enough

[wintry dew]

i keep missing stuff

sorry brotha

[potent pivot]

it's ok i appreciate it either way :d

that method just requires having a group to do effectively

i've been guildless for quite a while now

[wintry dew]

I guess it's time for a change

:3

[potent pivot]

meh

[spring bough]

Yall gotta try and get a Que with this hallowfall dungeon

Dawnbreaker. One of the most unique dungeons I’ve ever done

[stoic spruce]

@halcyon timber you lying sack of shit

You said BK mozzarella sticks were terrible

They're the best sticks on earth

[halcyon timber]

Definitely didn't say that you fingerless tatertot

[stoic spruce]

Oh my b

[halcyon timber]

I freakin love BK food

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot you lying sack of shit. You said BK mozzarella sticks were terrible. They're the best sticks on earth.

[potent pivot]

all the ones i've tried were ass

[stoic spruce]

I bet they were good and you just don't have a refined palette

[outer sky]

Ok i dinged 80 on my rogue

what now

[graceful ravine]

sit around and wait for monday

[outer sky]

what happens on monday

I know its real release day

[graceful ravine]

theres nothing to do once u get 80 and honor capped rn

[outer sky]

how do I get honor capped

It says this even though im level 80

I have to spam randoms?

[graceful ravine]

bgs ya

i felt bad for the other team

[spring bough]

Outlaw is doing good BG dmg lol

I went with aoe talents too and was ripping last night

[graceful ravine]

im such a bully just ganking lvlers on my free time

[spring bough]

I love doing that when questing lol

Tryna finish this campaign run into someone flagged and instantly at them 😂

“Campaign complete” is such a glorious message pop up. Should I do earthen quest is their racial any good

[graceful ravine]

Do I need to finish campaign as a pvper

[spring bough]

I did it cause ima pve too

[halcyon timber]

The story is good

Keep getting distracted w sidequests heh

[tribal badger]

i did really enjoy the questing

lot of good side questlines

and the main story and zones were great

especially the third zone

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just got into ringing deeps msq

Dorn def has some very sad side quests and some cool lore hints and things

Yeah im going to keep plugging away tonight when i get back from mcdonalds

[tribal badger]

the ancient earthen || setting up the ritual to pass on his job before dementia set in and he froze in place was pretty brutal ||

i did that one late last night

[halcyon timber]

Dunno how you hid that text but that was slick

Yeah that one got to me. It was a nice send off for them.

Made me think of a few family members who have passed the torch recently. Sad but happy ig.

[potent pivot]

/spoiler

[halcyon timber]

Ahhh ty trickz

[stoic spruce]

|| in front and behind of texts

||ezpz||

[steel scarab]

Dude this is an absolutely unhinged comment. BK mozzarella sticks are an abomination

[halcyon timber]

Bk mozzarella sticks single handedly won ww2

[stoic spruce]

That smug face of yours and that comment go hand in hand

[spring bough]

I’ve already got 6 of the green craft-able forged combatants heraldry for 613 ilvl PvP items lol

Hopefully the epic ones come this quick lol

[muted abyss]

they are only like 1kish on the auction house too

quicker to farm herbs than to get them through boxes

at least after you cap honor

[wary moss]

I'm convinced fatebound is better than deathstalker for assassination.

Deathstalker has the cloak talent though which is pretty damn good.

[spring bough]

I’m gonna do some trickster outlaw games see how this goes lol

[spring bough]

Frost dk alt is so easy to level

[jolly sierra]

found a speed dagger for lvl 80 in AH

200g

[graceful ravine]

lol wow they put a report feature to whispers

[jolly sierra]

yep

and auto censor possible hurtful /w

[mellow pecan]

quicko questions: do you use CE in 1v1 situations?

[jolly sierra]

cutting edge?

[mellow pecan]

..sorry just woke up

CT

[jolly sierra]

np

personally no

our community manager does

i dont because is hard to maintain as an additional dot

[mellow pecan]

Cheers

[cinder elm]

heh had someone message me "ur mad" and it blocked that too

slightly overzealous

[graceful ravine]

ppl are getting upset

[jolly sierra]

tell him "h0es mad"

[inner tartan]

yes it nice

[gusty hedge]

low lvls still hit hard plus scaling why he so toxic.
One button and he doesnt have to worry about opposing faction

[blissful osprey]

I like to send crimson tempest with like 1-2 combo points before full burst sometimes

[inland thorn]

Sin feels like dogshit

Both hero trees are terrible and inconsequential it's actually comical

Might as well have nothing

[inner tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[pearl dune]

can you elaborate

[indigo hill]

All rogue hero talents seem rather dull.

[surreal barn]

Idk the cdr of step is so nice as deathstalker

I leveled as sub though

… on gnolls and murlocs

Stepping to the next one was my entire life

[wary moss]

The coin flips seem like they do more damage overall. I've only given deathstalker probably 3 hours of play though.

It's pretty sick to flip tails in your opener and do 1mil instant damage just by pressing rupture

[wintry dew]

Lets keep in mind, obviously, world mobs and dungeons are not really well scaled for some reason, its kinda baffling that everything just melts, thats why fatebound feels better

[wary moss]

That is a fair point

[wintry dew]

So yeah i totally understand (altough i dont have early access) that fatebound feels better

I kinda wanna see the big envenoms that are coming with deathstalker actually

[wary moss]

Even in world pvp though fatebound still felt better.

I'll test things out more today in bgs

I don't like mark being tied to ambush... I really wish it was garrot for assassination

[spring bough]

Resist the urge to shit talk 😂

[candid tide]

where does shiv goes in during the rotation guys

after kingsbane or before

or deathmark first, then kingsbane and then shiv last

[stoic spruce]

No..... embrace the shit talk

[wary moss]

I go death mark, shiv, KB

[candid tide]

yeah i thought the same

[spring bough]

yeah and when i do chat ban lmao

[wintry dew]

Kb shiv?

But why

It's literally the opposite

Shiv buffs kb

[potent pivot]

The biggest part of KB that you’re trying to make use of is its first hit. You shiv before KB

[candid tide]

thats a great tip tyvm!

ur right idd else we waste the some nature dmg boost

[wary moss]

Oops that's what I meant lol.

I'm at work and typed what I read. Lmao

[wintry dew]

Heheh

All good all good

Trickz got us covered

[potent pivot]

Depends if pressing anything else would be better or not. If it’s a straight up duel and they’re low up, envenom. If it’s arena where you can cast the CT leave and swap target, CT.

[potent pivot]

Naw you had it but I figured I’d make it a 2v2

[wintry dew]

[spring bough]

Unholy DK fun as hell w these four horsemen

73 already and I started at like 9:30 😂

[potent pivot]

DK is general looks like it's gotta be super fun to level with the mounted combat

[spring bough]

I’m so fast now

Dk was so slow now we better than paladins 😂

[potent pivot]

i'm going to do my DK after rogue

for sure

[spring bough]

Go unholy four horse mythic build

It’s crazy

I’m literally running to the end of dungeons disease everything and it’s cleared

[potent pivot]

i think i prefer the gameplay of frost so far, but i've barely played either so

[spring bough]

Did my first couple as frost and that deleted too

DW fun as hell

Leveling w grieftorch a cheat code too cause it solos mobs lol

[wary moss]

Unholy was my main for DF I gotta level that character 😅

[spring bough]

The fact you get all 4 horsies when u drop army is amazin

[wary moss]

I kinda wanna try San'layn

[spring bough]

Tank unholy right there lol

[wary moss]

Just because no one is playing it and it's completely overshadowed lol

[spring bough]

It looks good

Infinite health for unholy lol

Feel like a lock with all these pets when casting army

[surreal barn]

This season is gonna be such a dampfest

[potent pivot]

let's hope not

[halcyon timber]

There’s definitely a middle ground they are reaching for but they have been slowly increasing pace.

[lime oar]

is the green crafted pvp sets available now or does that not start until season as well

[potent pivot]

there's crafted gear that's out rn

[lime oar]

im not seeing it on the AH hmm

[native glacier]

You are it’s there, it’s expensive so pr cringe to buy it

[potent pivot]

...

[native glacier]

Gear says it’s scaling to 600 when you que bg anyway so outside of trinket your paying hundreds of thousands of gold for 6ilvls

Mega cringe

[wary moss]

Yeah, im gonna save gold and just wait for honor gear

[wintry dew]

damn what a way to say hello to someone LOL

[lime oar]

LOL

[native glacier]

I was just reassuring him on his self awareness 🙂

Didn’t mean to be rude

[potent pivot]

some of it's very cheap

depends on realm i think

people posted pics of it going for 200-2k gold a piece earlier iirc

[native glacier]

I’m sure it went down but again 6 ilvls for unrated content

[wintry dew]

yeah its just for people to set foot in pvp

[lime oar]

bru

im not saying ima buy em. cuz im poor

[wintry dew]

its not worth it

you can honor cap on monday

[potent pivot]

can also farm honor on alts even level 70s right now

then just send the 4k honor to main monday

[wintry dew]

Ew playing alts

[broken otter]

Some guy on Tich Alliance was saying they wanted to buy a full BoE PvP set for 880k

I make the necklace at rank 5, and I've sold maybe like 6 of them?

But the blood crystal reagent spiked in price from 8k to 40k this morning, and the necklaces are only selling for 45k. So.... Sad trumpet noise

[spring bough]

gotta get em max while xp quick lol

[potent pivot]

things will likely spike again monday

[spring bough]

@potent pivot so i did unholy and frost back to back dungeons. unholy horseman my health doesnt move from 100% and does like 10x more dps. frost i def get hurt and cant clear as much lol

and its faster too lol

[potent pivot]

i've definitely seen frost do more than unholy :p

[wintry dew]

I keep wanting a Bdk to tank

but never done it

[potent pivot]

i've never tanked period

[wintry dew]

You become the MC man

its kinda fun

[potent pivot]

besides a few leveling dungeons with a healer homie

i just like blasting

cannot lie

my details refuses to work

for only my hunter

and now it just disappeared

TF is going on with my addons this expac

[wintry dew]

you sure everything is updated

[potent pivot]

yeah

i'm even seeing deteled addons on old characters

[spring bough]

idk maybe at max but for leveling unholy feeling a lot stonger. im hittin death strikes as frost and unholy im just pumpin and not even seeing health move lol

[potent pivot]

almost makes me want to remove my addon folders and start from scratch but that'd take hours

[potent pivot]

naw it was while leveling

leveling scaling is just very wonky

[spring bough]

its is wonky lmao

i started at 9:30 and im almost 77

[potent pivot]

that's insane

i've prolly got 5-6 hours on my rogue and it's 76

[spring bough]

5% inc is nice

just spamming dungeons reques and running to the end nonstop lol

death charger >>>>

we get 5% per alt right?

[potent pivot]

yeah as long as you hit 80

every 80 = +5% up to 25%

[spring bough]

sick so my hunter will be 10% should be even faster after

BM rips dungeons too

[last jasper]

This ea is pretty much a scam. Apart from leveling alts there is nothing to do

[potent pivot]

people without early access are saying it's p2w

wouldn't call it a scam lol

[last jasper]

Win what? Stupid prizes? 😂

[spring bough]

just gives us time for alts is how i see it nothing more lol

[potent pivot]

shouldn't have bought it if that's how you feel ig

[spring bough]

and then can start grinding renowns too

[last jasper]

Yep. Pretty much free alts leveling

[last jasper]

Im not dead serious 😂 but it feels weird

[potent pivot]

i mean if there's too much to do it wouldn't really be fair

like if you could farm honor gear etc you'd just farm everyone on monday

which you can still do anyway really

[spring bough]

realized UH healing so much cause of this blood plague dot lol

[surreal barn]

I did 70-80 in about 4.5

Maybe 5.5

[last jasper]

The honor part I really don’t get.

[surreal barn]

79-80 took long bc I decided to do the starting quests at the end and it was a little buggy

[halcyon timber]

The people who are going to burn out (their own choice) are going to do it anyway on monday

I did get the collectors edition too the art book and pin is sick as always

The storm rider statue is pretty freakin sick too

[last jasper]

The worst part. I still haven’t seen the new bg map. And I’m capped on both my alts

[halcyon timber]

Oh yeh its pretty cool

[last jasper]

Tbf, I was at 3k honor at 75 as a rogue.

[halcyon timber]

The people w DF are building 15k anyway yeah? Or was that a global 4k cap?

[last jasper]

4k global.

[halcyon timber]

Right on

[last jasper]

Which is why I don’t get why cap it in the first place.

[halcyon timber]

Not a big deal

Bc monkey screeching

Just like anti rogue pamphlets

[last jasper]

I mean. I’m going to be full honor by the time ppl level their first 80 anyway

[halcyon timber]

Burn the ships

[last jasper]

Btw, you said you are fx artist?

[halcyon timber]

Yes

Animator and vfx

[last jasper]

The city where is a crystal in the sky is tanking fps like crazy 😂

[halcyon timber]

To be precise

[last jasper]

Literally 30fps swing back and forth. Dunno why.

[halcyon timber]

Hallowfall

[last jasper]

Yea

[halcyon timber]

You’re asking why?

[last jasper]

Feels like it’s not optimized and something is loading slowly. And I just got a new laptop month ago 😂

[halcyon timber]

For context

Depends how they set it up

Try reducing particles to see a change

[last jasper]

Nah. Just said they did it again. But not only in valdraken

The worst part. Dawnbreaker dung got affected by this. And the dung is awesome

[halcyon timber]

It depends how collisions and “dooddads” interact likely

Doodads*

[last jasper]

It’s hard to spot. Cuz it just spikes.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah depends how many things are instanced in layers and i would have to see when i get there in a little bit

[last jasper]

I can replicate by shaking camera

[halcyon timber]

Could be constraint functions on the engineering side, not sure atm . Im going to rebuild hallowfall for a fan made film and have to work on that by myself heh

[last jasper]

Awesome

[halcyon timber]

I have dornogal mostly layered atm but yeah there is a lot of cool stuff the devs built into that too

[last jasper]

Yea. The zones are super dope this expac

And most of the dungeons too.

[halcyon timber]

Im running around reading and finding all the lore bits they are hiding

Like the titan keeper button on the north east island that won’t activate and is a big shut down button

[last jasper]

Haven’t seen that yet

[halcyon timber]

Hidden pieces of nerubian conflicts in azj kahet from wc3 referencing escaping arthas too

( when i was in beta)

Have to see what other cool stuff they put in now we are live

Puzzle box of yog also said some new whispers recently

And i fished a new coin out of dalaran before ya know happened

[halcyon timber]

Try messing w volumetric lighting + shadow settings + ground clutter and such. Could be too many instances being calculated btw.

[wintry dew]

Depends on what you do

gold makers are really happy

theres barely any competition

while they increase their professions and flood the market with crafter items / crafting materials

[potent pivot]

big brains fr

i've never dived into the new crafting, looks confusing ngl

[last jasper]

yea, I agree here. But Im too lazy for that. And like trickz said its confusing 😄

[wintry dew]

I've been doing it since DF launch and it isnt confusing at all 😛

(okay it is a bit confusing at the start)

[last jasper]

well, I took herbs and mining. and this is pretty it. dunno what to do next 😄

i've heard from ven u should go tailoring. But I haven't checked that yet

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-dog-eyes-sad-saint-innocent-shrek-gif-5956398

-# please teach us the way

[last jasper]

so I went through all settings and there were barely any difference. Apart from view distance and foliage. Except this guy

liteally went ~25fps

[surreal barn]

What card you on

[wintry dew]

• top right your profession equipments (max quality is alwys better obviously);
• on the left all the crafts you can do;
• on the center the materials needed for the craft;

---

• on the right side you have recipe difficulty and right below that your profession skill;
• Concentration = resource that can be used to guarantee higher quality when crafted and slowly regenerates over time;
• Resourcefulness = chance on getting materials back once you finish a craft;
• Crafting speed = exactly that;

[last jasper]

4070 laptop

[surreal barn]

hmm I’m out of the laptop game a long time but it should be fine

Turn the light and shadows off

[spring bough]

1 cast of reapers mark on a boss as frost did 3 million damage

this is wild lol

[surreal barn]

The glare off too

[wintry dew]

these are:

• the crest slot (where you can increase the ilvl cap of the item;
• the embelishment slot (where you choose which embelishment you want);
• the secundary stats missive slot;
• the PvP crest slot

[potent pivot]

=o

i wonder if we should make a crafting thread somewhere in the server

for discussion, not for orders ofc

[wintry dew]

The icon shows the quality of the item you can craft with your current skill and the other image is the ilvl breakdown

[potent pivot]

does higher quality become guaranteed?

or is there some rng

[halcyon timber]

I'll have to see when I get there to play around with stuff. It all comes down to how the artists decided to load it all though in the end of the day. ex: materials / how the engineers hooked stuff up / intent yadda yadda.

[last jasper]

Nah, it’s fine. It’s not like I’m lacking fps. It’s just these spikes feels awful. Even with g sync it feels like it lagging despite it doesn’t drops below 70

[wintry dew]

these three:

• Finishing reagent (1), where you craft an item using mettle that will add 30 skill points to your craft;
• Finishing reagent (2), where you can add misc stuff to the craft, isnt really important and i barely used it during DF.
• Concentrate is a new TWW feature. Imagine your craft needs 400 LW skill to go 5 stars (max rank), and you only have 350. You can ADD concentration pressing that button to fill the remaining skill needed to guarantee 5 stars.

[halcyon timber]

view distance and such, the world is layered a lot when we work on things so it depends how that is all implemented and how fast your rig responds to it all in the end. Sometimes we instance things and bake them (a technique) sometimes we don't and things have their own randomized particle system (pathing and such like the dragons in valdrakken do). It's common to use intanced things and more material based drivers on things but it gets complicated and easy to lose track of when working on it. Things break in game bc things like to randomly argue and that is out of the devs hands (they do fix things and it just sometimes crashes) WoWeditor is just their custom dev tools similar to Unreal engine / Unity / other programs. Coding gets weird when setting up stuff.

[wintry dew]

"But royal, what is skill and where does it come from"

[last jasper]

@wintry dew so where is the money button 😂

[potent pivot]

i'm saving a link to this message

[wintry dew]

And there it is, you can now properly start doing stuff with crafting

[potent pivot]

so i can come back to read these again

[wintry dew]

its pretty intuitive actually

[last jasper]

So you are buying materials for craft or?

[wintry dew]

I wont make gold selling stuff at the start of this expac because the markets are already floaded from early access players

so i'll go skinning / LW on my rogue and gather the stuff myself while leveling

then, when i level my warrior, i'll go mining / BS to craft my own weapons

((i didnt really talk about professions talents))

[potent pivot]

yeah the talents are a whole other story right

because you can't spec into everything iirc?

[dapper chasm]

I love mah alchemy - Jungian at heart here

[wintry dew]

you can

[potent pivot]

unfortunately alchemy is kinda useless for pvp right

[wintry dew]

it just takes a WHILE

[potent pivot]

ah yeah

[dapper chasm]

It adds the usual stat stick addon for PvP

[potent pivot]

you have to run around finding things in the open world too don't you

for knowledge or something

[wintry dew]

i remember i had LW + skinning FULLY talented mid aberrus

[wintry dew]

yes, but all the locations are on wowhead already

[dapper chasm]

Bitch, I smoke cos it gives me knowledge

[potent pivot]

can you make decent gold the entire expansion

is my big question

[dapper chasm]

Yeah

[wintry dew]

depending on server YES

[potent pivot]

i know the very beginning is huge

[dapper chasm]

Alchemy alone gives the P

[potent pivot]

and i remember people making good money throughout DF s1

[last jasper]

fuck me I guess

[potent pivot]

but no idea about after that

[wintry dew]

i believe it was one of our CF that specced into potions and multicraft during start of DF

and made a LOT OF GOLD

[potent pivot]

yeah

[wintry dew]

because of the HUGE multi procs

[potent pivot]

Guy

[wintry dew]

exactly

[potent pivot]

well

[wintry dew]

I was doing good gold during S1, selling max quality crafts early for 25k +

[potent pivot]

i definitely have enough characters now to do every profession

but from what i hear it can be better to just do a couple chars

[wintry dew]

You could start doing them just for the sake of it, learning

[potent pivot]

yeah

[wintry dew]

it isnt REALLY time consuming

[dapper chasm]

I got Engineering - for the ladies, but it can make some gold too

[potent pivot]

i need to figure out why my addons are so fucked for characters on other realms

kinda making it difficult to do anything on them

[wintry dew]

There will be a new set of grenades with eng

usable in m+

[dapper chasm]

L2Use profiles in addons better

[pearl dune]

can confirm as assa rn im doing more damage in pvp at 80 with fatebound

[potent pivot]

i have profiles, and they aren't working correctly either

[dapper chasm]

I don't fuck with dragons

[potent pivot]

legit all of my chars on my home server are perfect

[dapper chasm]

Then it's profiles

[potent pivot]

sec

i show

[dapper chasm]

Go on the profiles of the affected addons and save a new one called "Zana is right"

Then go on the funked server and select that profile there

[dapper chasm]

Save a new one

[potent pivot]

my profiles aren't even showing

on chars on other realms

[dapper chasm]

I still feel this is a skill issue

[potent pivot]

probably

[dapper chasm]

[potent pivot]

but what i usually do for alts

aka click addon->click profile

isn't workin

[dapper chasm]

Check your WTF for how the save is handled

I got a BG pop - bb gl

[spring bough]

finishing my last level with a 71 sin rogue in dungeon ques lol

this dude is doing 1mil dps

crimson tempest ticks 344k

[potent pivot]

the lower level they are = the more damage they do

[spring bough]

i love it lol

cant wait to level with 10% xp inc in a minute lol

[dapper chasm]

I'm proud to say that I played DF without doing a single dungeon or raid

[potent pivot]

same i'm pretty sure

[last jasper]

same

did few lfr for a tier once

[dapper chasm]

Pfff

I got something to show you guys

All my bar animations are complete - as you can clearly see

Why is no one awed?

[spring bough]

thats some 4 K detail right there

[dapper chasm]

Yes, my shit is sharp - but it's the animations that took all the effort

[wintry dew]

Video or fake

[dapper chasm]

When the kids go to bed, maybe

Maybe...

[lime oar]

Default action bars

I stand by them

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-cowboy-im-ready-gif-14491236

[last jasper]

hd icons looks great indeed

[dapper chasm]

The HD was a bit over the top

That's actually rather zoomed in

You don't need that kind of resolution

Real men do, sure

But you don't

btw that's the royal "you" - aimed at all you plebs

[last jasper]

Some icons looks exactly like from hd pack. Still better than default tho

[last jasper]

Looks clean af. 🤝

[dapper chasm]

You have good taste, sir

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/bcfd-monkey-confused-gif-5786043144724365138

[dapper chasm]

Sorry, can't hear you from atop all this UI excellence

[spring bough]

my hunter is already 72 lol

took 13 minutes from 71 to 72

with 10% inc lol

[proud vortex]

do u guys know where i could see a good pvp build for sub rogue? idk if wowhead is a good source

[potent pivot]

the pins here

or murlok.io

the only thing not in the pins is hero talents, you just take Deathstalker

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAY2mZmlpB2MGGjxMzMzMzMmtZZGjlthZYmxYMzyYAAAAYGGsZWGYALglhJkZhxA

this has Deathstalker^

[proud vortex]

thanks sir

[kind parcel]

is there a list of essential weakauras every rogue should have? I am new to them and struggling to identify them

I am aware of wago.io the repository etc im asking about what you guys all use and specifically for pvp

For example an alert to use cloak of shadows when someone is targeting you and casting dangerous spells or evasion when warrior targets you and blows his cooldowns etc

All I know so far to do is show me kidney shot when its ready 😄 lol

[potent pivot]

a lot of people don't use WAs in pvp

the only ones that you kinda "need" are WA packs like Mes' WA pack, that warns you of what OTHER people are doing

[kind parcel]

ok what other addons do you guys use then instead of weakauras in pvp

[potent pivot]

betterblizzplates or plater

bigdebuffs, diminish, gladius

[kind parcel]

got that one

so you use the mes WA pack to let you know when people blow cooldowns then you use evasion/cloak/feint etc accordingly?

cant you make the weakaura suggest that you use feing/evasion/cloak depending on incoming spell/enemy offence cds being used and if u are targeted or not?

[potent pivot]

yes unless my healer used a CD

you should also use

omniCC, omniCD, omniBar

[potent pivot]

you should be able to see who they're targeting through your target/focus frames

it doesn't make sense to have a WA tell you to press a certain defensive

you have to use your own decision making based on the situation whether or not to use that defensive

based on what CD was pressed and the rest of the game going on at the time

[kind parcel]

ok thx man

[potent pivot]

if you're just blowing your defensives every time someone presses their CDs you aren't going to get very far unfortunately

[spring bough]

how are DH looking for season 1?

[kind parcel]

yes im new to rogue I will learn over time

thx @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

np

feel free to ask anything here

[potent pivot]

they're looking decent

and for some reason they think they're getting a legendary weapon, unless they've just been meme'ing

[proud vortex]

guys pvp vendors are not activated rn so how do i get a trinket? lmao

[potent pivot]

there might be a crafted one you can buy

[proud vortex]

i'll check ah

[spring bough]

i might level DH as my fourth and call it a day lol

[potent pivot]

once i finish rogue i'm prolly doing DK

[spring bough]

How about shaman how are they lookin for enhance

[potent pivot]

enhance is looking very bad

that's why i didn't bother leveling my shaman, it's still 60 lmao

i honestly might do SP after DK

it's between SP/druid/mage

[spring bough]

Fury looking any good?

If guardian has something cool I might try that

Always liked ez Druid tanking

[last jasper]

Fury is absurdly op

[spring bough]

Sold

Fury up next with the 15% inc

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say absurdly op

definitely a little op tho

[spring bough]

Hunter is doing levels in 18 min or less. Next one is 15 min or less lol

[last jasper]

Same level with aff lock

[spring bough]

I like the dual wield 2H

So many good mogs for it

[potent pivot]

naw not even close

aff lock and frost mage are on another level

[last jasper]

Agree to disagree

[potent pivot]

the best locks/mages vs the best fury warriors

the locks/mages win every time

[last jasper]

Bruh.