pvp

[wintry dew]

idk i played 4 hours straight today and got lucky probably xD

[last jasper]

I should prob try it again. my priest is only 45 and its 6h before tww

[potent pivot]

if you can find a group in custom lfg it helps

[wintry dew]

can't pre 70

[halcyon timber]

Cranking out the C4s tonight boys

[wintry dew]

or 60

[potent pivot]

i think it's 50 sir

[wintry dew]

or 50

close enough

heheheh

[potent pivot]

it let me lfg after 50 on my priest

the wildest thing happened in the group i leveled in

some level 55 was XP locked

so everyone in the group started to get 90% less XP for like 20 minutes

until they kicked him

[last jasper]

fr. I completely forgot about phasing.

[potent pivot]

yeh i ended up on a dead phase a couple times when i was solo

[last jasper]

fuck you can't lfg below lvl 50

[potent pivot]

nop

[last jasper]

and Im on an empty event again

[gusty hedge]

why play one when you can play more

[blissful osprey]

Is good to have in the locker to escape an enemy offensive but if you think you can secure the win, I’d still just send it. Like if your in 2’s and you got em both under a tonne of pressure and the healer is close, and stun DR is off, just send it for improved garrotes on both and cheap shots

[candid tide]

fk it! les go!

[kind parcel]

Any advice for 1v1 vs disc priest or is it no chance without damp? I'm assassination

[halcyon timber]

Going to be a long rodeo on that one man. Wait for the Assassins to wakey wakey and ask them for sure though.

[kind parcel]

I tried sub I couldn't do anywhere near the damage I do with this I tried for hours

How's outlaw in pvp any good? I'll try that out next

But I can't get any conquest swords might wait for tww

[halcyon timber]

Lots of patience and wearing them down and finding a time to stun during their cast. Really just depends but it won’t be easy if they don’t panic

[candid tide]

sub is s++ in tww it seems

[waxen meteor]

wait it looks like game is still online now

there's no maint?

just open the gate in afternoon?

[potent pivot]

yeah idk about all that

it's decent in certain people's hands

[waxen meteor]

sounds like a B lol

[potent pivot]

90% of people that try it prolly will say it's bad

i don't like to put shit in rankings, tier lists are bad m'kay

[outer sky]

sub is pretty comp dependant so it's hard to really test it in SS

Good lord I'm trying to look up some stuff for the TWW launch on YouTube and this is literally happening with every fucking video I try to watch

[candid tide]

u gonna run assa?

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna play all 3 specs as always

[candid tide]

which u start out with

[potent pivot]

no idea

as far as leveling goes it doesn't matter really

once season starts ill prolly play a few games on each spec to see how it feels

[potent pivot]

ad block 🥶

[candid tide]

i mean what u gonna level with

[marble crag]

after having played a lot of assa lately, I have my sub rogue ready to level

im hyped to get back to sub

[potent pivot]

yeah idk. prolly just go with whatever i logged out as

[halcyon timber]

Dunno devs were guiding us on the stress test and they activated the stuff without any additional steps from our end. We have it all preloaded atm. They will likely announce if they need to take us down for a bit but the quests did just show up right on time and it was smooth as heck of a transition. There were a lot of people testing too for context.

[potent pivot]

leveling is gonna be so easy that spec just ain't gonna matter lol

[marble crag]

this

[last jasper]

is there were any changes?

[marble crag]

just level whatever you feel starting the expac with

[potent pivot]

wot?

[halcyon timber]

Not that we are aware of other than bug fixes (which they will continue to do so)

[last jasper]

easy leveling. Its not like it was hard before, but still

[marble crag]

same as dragonflight, no changes

just do the main campaign and you land on lvl 80

[potent pivot]

leveling is always easy

[marble crag]

changes for alts. Each char that ypu level gives you a 5% buff exp for your alts

[potent pivot]

i don't mean the amount of time it takes because i have 0 idea

[marble crag]

that is new

[potent pivot]

but killing mobs etc is easy

[last jasper]

ppl said campaign alone ends at 78

[marble crag]

dont know. Still a couple of dungeons and delvs and youre 80

if youre in a rush i guess you can just do dungeons as usual and will be lvl 80 faster

[waxen meteor]

how's leveling speed

is it like a 8 hour journey or 18

[marble crag]

they are saying 7-10 hd

hs

[waxen meteor]

i think i am gonna be doing quests on map anyway

i don't enjoy leveling from dungeon

[marble crag]

same

[last jasper]

I meant some specs are just faster(easier) to level (outlaw) . But it seems you are gonna just chill and enjoy with no rush 🙂

[marble crag]

leveling should be longer in this expansion imho. At least for your first

[waxen meteor]

for us, all specs shoudl be easy

probly go with sub or outlaw

[marble crag]

its not like theres anything to do until season starts

[waxen meteor]

you don't really need dot for creeps

[marble crag]

nothing at all until world lunch

[waxen meteor]

yeah

true too

[halcyon timber]

Immmaaaa creeeeeepppoo

[last jasper]

leveling alts. 2 weeks (even more) before the season starts

[waxen meteor]

gonna dot 2000 creeps at same time and see them die togetehr

[potent pivot]

i mean that's just false imo

[halcyon timber]

Radiohead

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah where's my NE rogue

alt !

[potent pivot]

willing to bet i can level as any spec and take the same amount of time

[pliant marsh]

Any professions that help in PvP and or world PvP for rogues like for example tailoring for bandaids?

[potent pivot]

no

[pliant marsh]

Just wondering what to take for TWW

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter

[halcyon timber]

Take what you like

[marble crag]

take what makes you easy money

Speaking of leveling

this just dropped

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tips-for-quick-leveling-in-the-war-within-346024

[potent pivot]

ppl forget assa can pull like 10 mobs dot them all and run down the next 10

😉

[outer sky]

I think I just queued into the lobby from hell

[last jasper]

Mm with a rogue. They’ve might have exact same thought 😂

[potent pivot]

3-3 at least surely

[outer sky]

I played kingsbane that lobby since I figured cleaving was impossible

it did 6m damage exactly

I pressed it 6 times

so

its garbage

as we all know

Man I wish beta had r1 so I could get the achievement to link lmfao

[last jasper]

I wish I could press evis 6 times with 6 mil as result 😂

[dapper chasm]

Mages should be your bitch, what kind of sub rogue are you?

[lusty lion]

Does anyone know how the exhilarating execution talent works in conjunction with Rupture? it doesn't become a heal over time, does it? What about multi-target ruptures and crits? Seems like it'd would be a massive heal, no?

[outer sky]

the kind that applies poisons and bleeds and doesn't have shadow dance anymore

[potent pivot]

no one's been running it

[dapper chasm]

Arena is a lot like prison - you can go in strong but with your head down, like sub - or you can hope to survive by giving them your ass

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

You chose ass

[lusty lion]

so you're saying...it's sleeper op, right???

[waxen meteor]

never been into a prison yet, so couldn't tell

[potent pivot]

i kinda doubt it

5% of not a lot of dam

is nothing

[lusty lion]

5%head

[neat dove]

over 5500 deaths by other players according to warcraftstory.com

[potent pivot]

DKs gonna be fun to deal with

[last jasper]

yea, it also removes roots

[spring bough]

My three specs are outlaw ST, outlaw AOE, outlaw PVP

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Change between outlaw ST and AOE build literally two talents 😭

Exact same bars both builds lmao

[potent pivot]

there's too many fun classes/specs to limit myself to 1 spec these days

frost dk feels sick

[spring bough]

Played frost dk for a week and a half earlier this month and hit 2100 in rated blitz. Frost DW back big time

Pop all the CDs just watch health melt away it’s glorious lol

[potent pivot]

SP feels kinda dope as well

liked it a lot more than i thought i would

[last jasper]

I agree. A lot of specs are fun to play

[spring bough]

I’m going hard on rogue for a month atleast. Then it’s hunter / dk added to the mix

Both their sets are cool this season. Rogues is growing on me too. The non elite color prob the best looking

[potent pivot]

they kinda cooked on the rogue set for s1

at first glance idc about any of the other sets

i mostly just want to get better at multi classing in pvp

[last jasper]

Oh wow. I didn't saw non elite got a red tint.

[wintry dew]

I mostly just want to get better at multi classing in pvp

[potent pivot]

?

[wintry dew]

I was just rephrasing it for my own needs

[nova viper]

Ngl

[potent pivot]

get better at what tho

[nova viper]

Rogue is the best mele in wow

[wintry dew]

Game itself

XD

[potent pivot]

oh

[nova viper]

Change my mind

[potent pivot]

i see

[wintry dew]

I'm still a heroic andy

[potent pivot]

the best how

[wintry dew]

A m+10 andy

A 1800 pvp andy

I don't even care to parse anymore

[nova viper]

M10 is old 20+

So

U are not average

[wintry dew]

Yesn't

Put it this way

My gf enjoys pushing way above 10s

[nova viper]

I dont understand this english shit. Yesn't is like yes and no in the same time?

[wintry dew]

Yes

[spring bough]

My only issue w the rogue set is the pants being diff colors except for the mythic set

All about those monochrome matching sets 😂

[wintry dew]

It's like "you have a point yes but that's not what I mean"

[nova viper]

Okay

[wintry dew]

I'm not an average player

BUT

[nova viper]

Understand

[wintry dew]

On my circle of friends, I am average compared to them

[potent pivot]

mythic pants are also a different shade

[nova viper]

U must asking yourself - i must be better or like my friends? If not i dont see problem

[spring bough]

Yeah but they still purple shade. The elite set legs are a diff color than the chest lol

[wintry dew]

Ahahah you're totally right, I've never seen it that way, I don't try to be like them because I only play for a set of rewards and I'm gucci

[spring bough]

I’m def PVeing to get the achieve for the shoulder smoke for the red set and to get the mythic one lol

[potent pivot]

the lfr set legs are the same as the rest of the set

[spring bough]

I didn’t see that one yet. Prob gonna cop that too lol

[potent pivot]

i don't even mind the diff colors/shades. they fit well.

i'm a full set andy

[wintry dew]

My main goal with the s1 PvE is get all 5 tints of the set

(the fifth being the elite set)

[potent pivot]

i haven't gone back and farmed enough mogs to make a real mog lmao

[wintry dew]

((I haven't collected a conquest set entirely since SL))

[potent pivot]

isn't there 6 colors?

[wintry dew]

Yeah but I never farm the conquest set

I skip it entirely xD

[last jasper]

that is going to take some time

[potent pivot]

you're gonna do the entire raid? :o

or can you upgrade for mythic set

[wintry dew]

Heroic items yes

I never raid mythic

In theory you just need a full LFR set and a full heroic set to get all 4 sets

[potent pivot]

fuck me

i just erased the entire message i was typing

[last jasper]

ctrl z?

[wintry dew]

What was it about

[potent pivot]

shift-arrow key UP

i think

[potent pivot]

i'm trying to recreate wtf i did lmao

[wintry dew]

If it has anything to do with tmog I can help surely

[potent pivot]

i was just going to ask

lfr->norm and hero->mythic

through upgrading ye?

i wonder how many clears it'd take to get the heroic set

[wintry dew]

Yes

That's it

[potent pivot]

i'm sure i could tag along with one of my old guilds if i wanted to

but raiding

[last jasper]

dont forget catalyst

[wintry dew]

You can also do m+

[wintry dew]

That's the entire system yeah

Using the catalyst

[potent pivot]

ohh shit true

can you upgrade the pve ilvl of conquest gear to get heroic/mythic tints?

[wintry dew]

I have 2 rogues, 1 will serve to farm LFR + normal while chilling

[potent pivot]

or you need high m+ gear

[wintry dew]

Negative

Pvp items only translate to pvp tints

BUT

[potent pivot]

figured

[wintry dew]

Wpvp items do not

[potent pivot]

but the ilvl is lower on those right

[wintry dew]

So iirc you can get LFR tint from wpvp purple

[potent pivot]

ic

[last jasper]

with bloody tokens it was only 3lvl lower

[potent pivot]

yeah but that 3ilvl might hold it back from being upgraded to the next threshold

like for upgrading LFR->Normal

[wintry dew]

All that matters for tmog purposes is the rank of the item (veteran/champion/hero/myth) and the level (1-8)

[potent pivot]

yeah

[wintry dew]

Veteran 1-4 = LFR
Veteran 5+ = normal

[potent pivot]

i've never even upgraded pvp gear for pve ilvl so idk shit about it

[last jasper]

so you just run normal pugs usually?

[wintry dew]

The first weeks I run normal / heroic with guild usually

[spring bough]

Gotta get that 2k mythic score to get the item for the extra shoulders. I started doing that with Abberus sets. It was so worth it for the all white lfr set. The white smoke is 🔥

[last jasper]

oh, you have a guild

[wintry dew]

Then if I have enough time to level the second rogue, I'll just do LFR with him and that's it

It's not a race but a marathon

[last jasper]

are you playing on eu? 😄

[wintry dew]

You mean 2500

[wintry dew]

Yes

[last jasper]

yea, Im asking cuz with pugs it could take 1 hour before first pull

and then ppl leave etc etc

[wintry dew]

I raid every tier, and I rarely have those problems (people leaving is normal)

[last jasper]

I assume you raid mostly with guild?

[wintry dew]

Only until curve

Then it's everyone on their own

[last jasper]

oh, the last time I prob had a curve was in legion 😄

and the guild as well

[wintry dew]

I'm somewhat lucky because I found a guild of Portuguese people

Where...

My gm went to school with my brother

My main tank's sister went to school with me

So we all know each other's LOL

We sometimes go out for dinner together

It's pretty fun

Imagine going shopping for groceries and bumming into 2 members of your guild

XD

[last jasper]

Lmao

[spring bough]

Yeah. Easy still tho lol

[last jasper]

I used to play with a guy who mained tank

[wintry dew]

Just time consuming

[wintry dew]

They are either the best or the worst

[last jasper]

he used to butthurt a lot. But was a good tank.

[potent pivot]

you doing profs?

[wintry dew]

Lw+skin rogue
Bw+min warrior

[spring bough]

DK tank here from the original wrath run. I will never tank again in my life cause of all the shit some people would give u lol

[last jasper]

he is not playing anymore so lfg is a nightmare sometimes.

[wintry dew]

Ain't no way I'll pay for crafts / recrafts for armor and weapons

[potent pivot]

yeah i was trying to think of the best combinations

[spring bough]

No engineering??

[potent pivot]

because i'll prolly do herb/mining on my druid

[spring bough]

They doing any engi gear this season??

[wintry dew]

That wouldn't save me gold

And eng gear is niche

[potent pivot]

what about JC

[wintry dew]

Head + bracers probably

[wintry dew]

Rings + neck always good but I've never done JC before so eh

[potent pivot]

i was thinking i'd do LW+JC on rogue

crafted rings have been pretty big lately

[spring bough]

Hell yeah free socket

[potent pivot]

especially at starts of seasons n stuff

[spring bough]

I made rings every season lol

[wintry dew]

Same

[spring bough]

I hope they add the random teleport ring again too

[wintry dew]

Although in S4 I did everything I wanted in 3 weeks

[potent pivot]

i think profs will help level as well

[wintry dew]

Negative

[potent pivot]

though getting all the materials to do it would be difficult

[wintry dew]

They removed first craft exp

[potent pivot]

at first at least

[jolly sierra]

what a coincidence

[potent pivot]

oh did they

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[potent pivot]

i just saw a video saying they had it on beta

[wintry dew]

There was a post like 2/3 days ago

[potent pivot]

maybe it was old

[wintry dew]

Let me re check

[potent pivot]

ah damn

[wintry dew]

Ikr!!

[potent pivot]

that's kinda lame

[last jasper]

you sure, there was a post on wowhead saying it still there

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-first-craft-profession-experience-from-dragonflight-professions-above-level-346011?utm_source=discord-webhook
They updated the post

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

just for df stuff

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot they updated that post, it works

[potent pivot]

ooh

[wintry dew]

So you were saying the truth

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

I usually take a look on Wowhead wow posts as soon as they are released

I like to know what's up

Sometimes they get updated after being released

Fortunately that was the case

[halcyon timber]

How many warlock scalps you guys collecting today?

[last jasper]

wow, the beta is almost empty

[halcyon timber]

Surprised it isn’t closed today

[last jasper]

techically game release is 26th

well, actually its today, but globaly

[halcyon timber]

Yeh however there isn’t anything else to test. They collected all the data they were interested in one would imagine

Gonna skin some moonkin today.

[last jasper]

idk, some stuff is bugged and missing on a beta

[halcyon timber]

Right and it is probably a nightstalker approach

Who knows though msn

Man

[last jasper]

coup de grace is still with no animation 😄

at least as a sub

[halcyon timber]

Yeah im thinking it was turned off when up close due to shadowed finishers sometimes not working throughout testing

[spring bough]

Everyone’s napping for 6pm

Beta is no more we LIVE

[halcyon timber]

Down with the age of wizards, arise rogues. Awaken with purpose and rage!

[last jasper]

I'm still not sure if I want to start as a rogue :/

[potent pivot]

i kinda want to start with druid just for gathering gold

[last jasper]

Nah, im not that sweaty 😂

[potent pivot]

i'm starting to run low on gold

[wintry dew]

I'm at 1.3M rn

[last jasper]

[potent pivot]

i spent most of the gold i had leftover from boosting pvp on getting half my chars level boosted

like -350k and i'm down to around 50k

gonna be at least a month before i can boost anyone

[last jasper]

I had like 600k and went for a token to upgrade my tww into epic

[spring bough]

Is it sad if I have a timer on my phone for 6pm 😂

[potent pivot]

damn tokens have been really expensive rn too

like 300k per on NA anyway

i imagine they're even more on EU

[last jasper]

380k. Been like this since s4

[wintry dew]

I'd put it to like 6:44

So you avoid most people

[last jasper]

Or lags

[potent pivot]

just gotta get ahead of everyone

[outer sky]

@potent pivot did you see the dam I was putting out in BGB on beta last night as asssass?

[potent pivot]

yeah

i told you assa aoe was broken

did they just bring out blitz on beta yesterday or something?

[outer sky]

No it's been up all along

I just never bothered

[potent pivot]

ahh

[outer sky]

Oh also, I got a chance to test deadly poison. I did a solo shuffle lobby with this arms warrior that insisted I play it over wound poison. So I did 2 rounds with him and it did 6.5m damage

So if I played all 6 with it

It's that times 3

So just shy of 20m damage

[potent pivot]

i mean if you're playing with another mortal strike you always swap

i thought you knew that though

[outer sky]

I know that's what the book says

But I'm specced full AoE on beta

I can and do spread it

Warrior doesn't

[potent pivot]

yeah i guesso

[last jasper]

20mil from a poison. thats quite good

[spring bough]

Ricky Bobby said if you are not first you are last. Second this ish opens we out the gates. Questing and normal dungeon ques all night

[last jasper]

I’m getting bored waiting. Lmao

[surreal barn]

Crimson Tempest is bugged

It’s doing way more than it should and my guess is it’ll be patched

[potent pivot]

bugged how

[surreal barn]

It was never meant to multiply the damage in pve the same as pvp

After that buff I think they removed the pvp modifier

There’s no way it stays like this lol

[potent pivot]

says who lol

that's not a bug

they literally changed it to work like that

[surreal barn]

It’s gonna get the 🪓

[potent pivot]

i kinda doubt it

they might tune it

but it's not bugged

[surreal barn]

I can try to go back and find it but a lot has happened since then

They always label when a pvp modifier was removed and they didn’t

[graceful ravine]

does wound stack with shiv pvp talent?

[potent pivot]

no

you run hemo because it insta applies what would take multiple hits for wound to stack up to

also having Arterial Precision makes shiv aoe

so hemo is good even if you're running wound

[potent pivot]

when they do tuning yes, but not when they completely rework an ability i don't think

[surreal barn]

Alright hold up I’ll find it

[potent pivot]

it's also just been like that for quite a while now

feel like it would've gotten nerfed already

but either way, some sort of aoe nerf is likely coming

[surreal barn]

It went from 39% attack power to 52%

Either the pvp mod was dropped completely or they f’d up

[potent pivot]

you mean when they changed how it worked?

[surreal barn]

I’m easily dealing 3x what I was before

[potent pivot]

because it used to have an initial hit iirc

[surreal barn]

No July 23

[potent pivot]

do you have a link

[surreal barn]

This was when I saw the giant dps gains

[potent pivot]

where are you seeing this

[surreal barn]

I saw it on just wowhead news way back when but if you look at the spell history on wowhead it is updated there for every build

[potent pivot]

yes i meant the spell history

just the changelog?

[surreal barn]

In the comment section area if you click the changelog

When I get off work I might be able to find the actual post

[potent pivot]

yeah but it doesn't show pvp mods no?

[surreal barn]

The current is 1 and I’m 90% sure it wasn’t

[potent pivot]

they buffed CT by 19%

#pvp message

[atomic adder]

We leveling in war mode right fellas!?!?

[potent pivot]

[atomic adder]

Maybe I’m wrong about this but I play on a VERY high pop server so I’m thinking war mode will let me be on a shard with much fewer people and rogue is uniquely suited to succeed in war mode leveling I think

[potent pivot]

i don't think your server really matters

especially for the first weeks after a release you're going to see a ton of people regardless of WM

[potent pivot]

i can't find an actual spell data post

because iirc when they announced all that tuning was being pushed to prepatch they didn't have data mined spell data to post?

we'd have to go all the way back to when the change was made to the beta

[spring bough]

Yes

Ally war mode on Tichondrius is so amazing. Horde get deleted

[atomic adder]

I’m ally on A-52 so it might get ugly but I don’t care

[surreal barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-beta-build-55959-class-and-spell-changes-major-tuning-changes-345587

Is one, but I don’t see any pvp modifier data, idk what it was before

I feel like we shouldn’t be seeing triple damage from this though

[potent pivot]

i don't see a single post where it's had a pvp mod since the rework

i went through every one of them and am on the rework post now

[spring bough]

Zeiss got the Mandela effect 😂

[outer sky]

CT isn't bugged

[potent pivot]

ye we know it's not bugged

he's saying he thinks there used to be a pvp mod nerfing it in pvp and now there isn't one

but i think the fact is, when they reworked it, it did more dmg overall. plus they've buffed it since then.

[outer sky]

yeah I think I would have noticed that nerf

if it happened since BFA

[potent pivot]

it used to do 12% AP instant and 13% AP DoT

then they changed it to 36% AP DoT

and buffed it twice since then

so the fact that it does 3x what it used to do is correct

it's not quite 3x but yeah

it used to do 25% AP and now it does 62% AP

so like 2.5x

[spring bough]

Where does the intro quest start so I can stare at the npc for an hour

[outer sky]

0 chance it goes live right at 6 EST lol

[potent pivot]

i have zero idea but i assume in main city?

[outer sky]

theyll delaythat shit for damn sure

[potent pivot]

don't expansions always start back in main city

[spring bough]

Usually just gotta find which. Prob dalaran

[potent pivot]

i'm not used to stormwind yet my god

[outer sky]

Org is so much more intuitive than SW

[spring bough]

Storm wind layout sucks

[potent pivot]

yeah i've always been horde until this expansion

[outer sky]

same lol

[potent pivot]

and i barely went to stormwind on my nelf rogue

i was always in vald

[spring bough]

I was horde up until we got halfway thru DF

[potent pivot]

yeah i was on my orc rogue most of s1 iirc

[spring bough]

I made the kul tiran commitment. Was launching people on random bgs last night

[potent pivot]

the prepatch event should stay open til the 26th shouldn't it

[spring bough]

I think so. Can do awakened raids till then too

[potent pivot]

noice

prolly snag 1 more mog from it

[spring bough]

I need this dk legendary drop

[last jasper]

Dalaran

You also need to finish quest in silithus

Or it will send you there first

[spring bough]

Nice I did that last night

That was the sili hearth scroll

[last jasper]

You are going to miss all the gold while doing that 😂

[potent pivot]

was only planning on gathering while leveling

not no lifing it lmao

why are my addons so fucked on my chars on other servers

holy shit

my lock still has addons that i've deleted for some reason

and others just don't work

[spring bough]

Better blizz frames atleast a dozen times a day blocks me from pressing keys

And they haven’t updated it in over a week 😭

[potent pivot]

bartender works on all my characters

except off realm characters

[spring bough]

Bout to open the case of this computer and hit it with the dusters and cans of air gotta be 100% uptime 😂

[surreal barn]

Nah it had a modifier

Damage lower hitting dummy even with higher pvp ilvl

I am not crazy!

(Most crazy people say this)

[spring bough]

lol yeah and sinbad def started in Shazam 😂

Mandela effect 😂

[potent pivot]

is warband bank across all characters

my dumbass thought it was only for the 4

[spring bough]

All characters

[halcyon timber]

For all characters

[potent pivot]

man that is broken

as fuck

[spring bough]

Gotta get that 500k gold slot

So if u get say a cloth warband item you put it in your warband bank. Go to your clothie alt. Take it out and you got new gear

[potent pivot]

i'm buying shit cheaper on other servers

[spring bough]

So some of that useless loot we get for one class we can warbank it and send it to another char

[potent pivot]

like getting all my new toons decked out with bags n shit

[spring bough]

That’s what I did for mine. Bought like 30 bags. Put them in the bank then just logged onto all the chars and set them up lol

[potent pivot]

i didn't even bother cleaning out my old char's bags and banks

i just made new chars of the same class

[surreal barn]

lol

Faster

[last jasper]

[potent pivot]

wanted better racials for pvp anyway

2 birds 1 stone

[candid tide]

do you guys think its necessary for rogs to utilize a123

does whaazz use a123?

[graceful ravine]

What does warband do

[potent pivot]

wdym

all your characters have a shared bank now, very similar to a guild bank

you have a character specific bank and a warband bank

[graceful ravine]

Why is that a big deal

[potent pivot]

because you can transfer gold and items between realms

[graceful ravine]

Can u share soulbound gear?

[potent pivot]

while auction house has a ton of server specific items

no

once you're equipped it you can't

[graceful ravine]

ah I guess u can buy cheap stuff on random servers

[potent pivot]

but a lot of gear is warbound now

[candid tide]

mogs

so if u farm mogs on ur rog and find clothes u can share it with ur lock

insane

thank god

[graceful ravine]

Are raid gear warband?

[potent pivot]

no

[candid tide]

omg wtf

so no mogs share?

[graceful ravine]

That would cause so much raid drama

[potent pivot]

mog unlocks are account wide now yes

[graceful ravine]

“I need this for my alt”

[candid tide]

it has nothing to do with warband?

[potent pivot]

you're still going to have that

[potent pivot]

i'm saying you can't send the gear to the alt i'm pretty positive

if you got the item like

[graceful ravine]

mogs are already account-wide since 5+ yrs ago

[candid tide]

but mogs unlocks are acc wide now u said

sorry im confused

[potent pivot]

if you're on your rogue and you get a cloth piece, your mage would have the mog

[candid tide]

just bought the game today again

[potent pivot]

not like this

....

[candid tide]

yeah, so u dont have to put the piece in like warband bank for ur lock to pick off?

[potent pivot]

you've never been able to pick up a different armor piece and unlock that mog

now you can

[potent pivot]

you don't

[graceful ravine]

ah

[candid tide]

if we find a cloth on melee ur lock gets shared isnta

100

[graceful ravine]

ive never played a cloth or plate class so i never noticed

[potent pivot]

that's how i've understood it yes

the only thing that doesn't share

is class specific tier sets

[candid tide]

hmmmn

[potent pivot]

but some class tier set tokens a Warbound

so if an old raid drops a token it might be Warbound

[candid tide]

so warbound bank is just another feature to share items acc wide

[potent pivot]

and gold

[candid tide]

gotcha

pretty neat

save all that mailing

[potent pivot]

ye

oh holy fuckkkkkkkk

didn't even know i had this

[candid tide]

i got 67k on rogu

will manage i think

[spring bough]

So I may or may not have never dusted the inside of my desktop computer since I got it in January. Just cleaned all 6 fans… can’t even hear it run now 😂

[potent pivot]

this is on my DH from fucking

shadowlands

lmfao

[candid tide]

better get some bankroll going

cause them enchant early start will be hilarious

[spring bough]

100k a pop for max level enchant inc

For wep atleast lol

Remember shadowed belt clasps? Those were close to 50k or something lol

[candid tide]

dem blueprints too for 500k a piece or some

[potent pivot]

i'd rather make them myself ngl

man i can't believe i just found that gold

we big chillin now

[spring bough]

Got 20 minutes to find something to do until it’s play until 2am lmao

[last jasper]

I hope the campaign is good. Cuz it feels I’m getting old for stuff like this. Almost 1am here

[spice lichen]

will we be able to buy honor gear after reaching max lvl? or gotta wait untill release? or season 1?

[marble crag]

Not sure. I know honour is capped at 4000 until release i think

whether you can buy during EA honour gear or not i dont know

[halcyon timber]

No honor gear vendors atm till after everyone gets in on the 26th

[marble crag]

oh well at least you get a head start with 4000 honour

[halcyon timber]

Yep better than nothing which is cool

[spring bough]

QUEST IS LIVE BOYS

3 min early holy shit

blizz ON FIRE TODAY

[halcyon timber]

Lets go speed bag some moonkins in the coinbox

[stoic spruce]

cant wear them though

[marble crag]

ARE YOU GUYS LVL 80 YET?

COME ON ITS BEEN 1 MIN

where the mimnaxers at

[spring bough]

so much kirin tor lore i feel like im watchingg the warcraft movie

this might be funny turing arachnaphobia on and see a sheep snag citizens down tunnels lol

[spring bough]

What are the odds Maexenna gets revived

[stoic spruce]

god fucking dammit they unnerfed crackshot in pvp

[spring bough]

What did they unnerf

[stoic spruce]

ace

but nerfed crackshot

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-early-access-hotfixes-august-22-2024-346050?utm_source=discord-webhook

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

Thats the pvp changes

[potent pivot]

rogue buffs galore

@outer sky

[stoic spruce]

hate em

[spring bough]

That’s pretty nice

Not gonna lie

Why would u hate that

[outer sky]

WHAT

[stoic spruce]

hate crackshot

can die in a hole

[potent pivot]

the unnerfed so much shit in pvp

[outer sky]

AH

my friends

[spring bough]

Yeah I’m gonna go make love to HO and get my crackshot pipe

[outer sky]

its a great day

[stoic spruce]

they also unbuffed almost everything

[potent pivot]

mut env and kb all buffed

[outer sky]

yessir

It all worked out in the end

[potent pivot]

what are you talking about

[stoic spruce]

dispatch, SS, BR, and MG arent increased in pvp no more

[potent pivot]

those things were REDUCED BY (X%)

[spring bough]

So the goal is to hit elite before they nerf all that lol

[potent pivot]

they weren't increased bro

they were reduced and no longer are

[spring bough]

Yeah it’s fire

[potent pivot]

literally everything on that list is buffs

[spring bough]

It’s one ability dispatch…

[potent pivot]

ah ok

[spring bough]

And they inc us like 20% overall

So yes they’d reduced dispatch being inc 20% in PvP because they gave us like 20% of buffs

Net effect prob 0

[stoic spruce]

I just showed you 4 talents

[potent pivot]

your pic is fucked

but yes strike BF and dispatch

outlaw was really strong anyway

[spring bough]

So sinister was +5% in pvp and they removed it after buffing the class 20% overall

[stoic spruce]

4 abilities rather

[potent pivot]

so it doesn't matter

[spring bough]

So we still net out a gain

[potent pivot]

mastery isn't an ability

[stoic spruce]

oh my god

you know what I mean

[potent pivot]

lmao

outlaw will be fine bro

[outer sky]

that dispatch nerf kinda sucks, it was hitting pretty hard. But I'll take it for unnerfed ace

[stoic spruce]

the conversation wasnt even about it being fine or not

it was about things being reduced or buffed

[spring bough]

Popo wants to play KiR tho and them buffs making HO better than it again lol

[potent pivot]

shadowstrike was nerfed as well

[stoic spruce]

outlaw has never not been fine

good

screw sub

[potent pivot]

screw outlaw

[spring bough]

Idt they will ever make KIR equal or above HO unfortunately

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

technically it is more ST damage

technically speaking on a technicality

[spring bough]

Yeah but the avg rogue can’t just pick it up

They mold stuff for the avg player usually

[stoic spruce]

press it at 5/6 buffs

there you go

[potent pivot]

you talking about in pve or something

[stoic spruce]

CtO uptime is insanely high

[potent pivot]

because a lot of that does not translate

into pvp

[stoic spruce]

I mean in general

with crackshot being unnerfed, you can def get more uses out of it

[outer sky]

@potent pivot did WW get any love?

[potent pivot]

i haven't checked, it was linked above

[potent pivot]

ill keep it pinned for a day or two

[spring bough]

This new capital city is nice. PvP area is pretty awesome with it being outside and they have tons of training dummies

[outer sky]

LOL no we are the only class that got buffed beyond bug fixes

[stoic spruce]

SPOILERS

alright

all of you get in a line

youre all pissing me off and im going to slap you all one by one

Sinnen gets a whoopin

[potent pivot]

we definitely need it the most

[spring bough]

Whoops sorry let me get back to leveling lol

[jolly sierra]

so, fkn DM was bugged?

lol

that changes a lot the things

[outer sky]

yeah, now it'll tickle a little more

[stoic spruce]

no unholy nerfs

im blastin

[jolly sierra]

finally, imagine it was wasting like 100% more dmg in prepatch

[stoic spruce]

also unnerf apoc. I want my ghouls back

[jolly sierra]

if it wasnt benefited from mastery

[potent pivot]

it doesn't

[jolly sierra]

it does if is working as usual

[potent pivot]

it's only the DM dot itself, not your duplicated dots

[jolly sierra]

wat

[potent pivot]

i promise

it changes nothing about DM

[jolly sierra]

lets see, tbh would be disappointing af

[jolly sierra]

if u are right

[outer sky]

nobody complain

please

[jolly sierra]

nono

pls dont

[potent pivot]

no ones complaining lol

[stoic spruce]

well everytime I complain they do the opposite of what I want

[outer sky]

I've already pinched myself 18 times and havent woken up yet so i'm beginning to think this may be real life

[jolly sierra]

i think is for that

lol

[stoic spruce]

huh

[jolly sierra]

if u complain for something, blizz does the opposite

[stoic spruce]

ohhh I see

buff crackshot

[potent pivot]

wdym

[outer sky]

It wasn't really buffed. They just tuned it to compensate for the dispatch nerf

[stoic spruce]

was in response to this

[outer sky]

I honestly think outlaw got nerfed more than buffed. Idk if 20% ace proc buff is worth the dispatch nerfs

Dispatch was hitting 5-600k

So now it'll be doing 100-120k less damage

And you press that a lot

[jolly sierra]

that if is just DM tick itself would be really a dissapoint

[dapper chasm]

It's nearly midnight, but I finally got mouseover effects for WAs

This will elevate my icon game to new levels

[spring bough]

We officially fatebound boys

[stoic spruce]

well

with the ace unnerf, the float nerf is justified

[spring bough]

How did they nerf float

[stoic spruce]

nerfed the cdr of evasion

[outer sky]

@potent pivot I don't think a 4% buff to mutilate and envenom will make us want to press them anymore than we already were tbh

[spring bough]

I thought it was always .5 per cp?

[stoic spruce]

and it got nerfed

[spring bough]

What’s it gonna be

[outer sky]

It's .3s in pvp has been for a while

[spring bough]

Haven’t noticed it lol

[stoic spruce]

well youd def notice if it was unnerfed lol

you actually had to try to die because evasion was always up

that was also in the world of cloak dodge

[tawdry imp]

i main mage and playing rogue pvp has made me hate them

[winged sentinel]

canon event

[graceful ravine]

does assa play fatebound or deathstalker

[jolly sierra]

according to what i read in this chat all the time

its leaning to deathstalker

[graceful ravine]

which forces us to open with ambush instead of garrote

surely this cant be good? wtf

[jolly sierra]

the fkn mark

turns envenom into a bomb

[spring bough]

Fatebound coin already doing 7% of my dmg at 71 😂

[potent pivot]

what are you talking about? i'm definitely pressing mutilate now. infinite damage.

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty positive it's only the Deathmark bleed. not your duplicated bleeds.

[graceful ravine]

so... if i were to open on a healer to CC before swapping to kill target, my entire hero talent is wasted lmao

[potent pivot]

that bug has been known about for a while

[potent pivot]

just don't ambush them?

it's not wasted either way, the damage from it isn't that impactful

[spring bough]

Literally tanking a normal dungeon as outlaw lol

[jolly sierra]

fuck

[candid tide]

guys which one shall we go for

[spring bough]

I’m about to be married to fatebound

[candid tide]

fr?

[spring bough]

Passively critting now for 175k yeeeeeeeeee

[candid tide]

fk thnk ima do the same then idk

deathstalker first passive looks crazy too

[spring bough]

Visuals on this are pretty wild. They did a good job

[blissful osprey]

Everyone’s been dooming on the rogue hero talents

[spring bough]

I like that when the coin flips there is an actually coin flipping and hitting the ground

[last jasper]

I’m surprised someone thought rogues visuals are wild

[spring bough]

That little spell detail and the detail of these zones is what I was referring to lol

[last jasper]

oh, zones is the only aspect blizz never fail to deliver. thats true

[wintry dew]

art team op

[potent pivot]

did you see what i said earlier about my DH from shadowlands

[wintry dew]

I didn't no, point me in the right direction

[potent pivot]

i was going through all my old SL characters that are on other realms

and randomly found 350k gold on it

back from when i transferred it with 2m to a dead realm to get a t3 piece

forgot all about it

[wintry dew]

NICE its always welcome. I logged all my alts and transfered everything to the warbound

[potent pivot]

yeah i was doing that and checking other realms for cheaper stuff like bags etc

for all the newer chars

[spring bough]

Already 74 def 80 when I log 😂

[wintry dew]

Speed run any %

[spring bough]

Found a dungeon group lol

They are so easy can pull the entire thing

[quaint cedar]

I'm a bit late to the party
Sad that dispatch buff in pvp got reverted, but I'm so glad the Ace nerf is gone

[halcyon timber]

Ill play again later, gotta study my ass off

Staying up all night tomorrow though for sure.

[spring bough]

I’m going to buy a lotto ticket

Two rolls 6 buffs back to back in a row

[wintry dew]

Priorities my man, good luck with them studies

[quaint cedar]

That's actually kinda crazy

[spring bough]

I’m loving the fact u can go straight down hero tree and go to capstone talent

[halcyon timber]

Yep. Thank you, i have musculoskeletal and neuro exams to do

[wintry dew]

You'll do great, you can do it man. Focus up on them books for a while, game won't run away!

[spring bough]

You all see details added more data on the overall when u pull it up??

[wintry dew]

Negative, won't see shit for the next 3 days

Hehehe

[stoic spruce]

Please keep spoilers to a minimum please

Ty

Kisses

Muah muah muah muah

Also

[spring bough]

Details is an addon lmao

[stoic spruce]

@wintry dew hiiiii

[stoic spruce]

I know I mean in general

[wintry dew]

Hello popo

[lime oar]

Is sun also doing death stalker?

[potent pivot]

like what

[lime oar]

Sub*

[stoic spruce]

You're first in my slap line btw @spring bough

[potent pivot]

yeh

[spring bough]

Crit %, uptime and hits are all visual now next to abilities

[last jasper]

I just got party of 77 in a random dung 😳

[stoic spruce]

We could've had vampire rogues

Cowboys

And a cooler deathstalker

BUT NO

[stoic spruce]

What about assa

God I love the deathstalkers

[potent pivot]

no idea

[stoic spruce]

They're so cool

[candid tide]

Deathstalker is more involved spec

And fatebound more passive it seems

[lime oar]

I mean darkest night seems pretty wild

[candid tide]

Mby should went for deathstalker

See if can respec

[cinder elm]

is kidney capped at 5 cp effectiveness? so is that why im getting 2 cp back if i kidney at 7?

[stoic spruce]

Correct

[spring bough]

Yeah just hit 76

[quaint cedar]

Holy shit you guys are fast

[spring bough]

Dungeon scaling is whack

U could pull the whole thing up till about 75

[quaint cedar]

Really? So you're just dungeon spamming?

[spring bough]

Yeah found a group and reque we’ve done like 10

Fatebound aoe talent just made me OP for these lol

Guy in my group just hit 80 lol

So 3 hours

[quaint cedar]

Hope it doesn't get patched lol

[spring bough]

This hunter in my dungeons mythic score is 3505

And outlaw doing almost the same aoe as this BM lol

[potent pivot]

i feel like dungeon spamming with a good group has always been faster than questing

someone will find some mobs that you can hyper spawn with a group to level in 1 hour

for sure

uh huuuuuh

i saw that

[spring bough]

Outlaw is ridic** rn

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

30 ilvls below this hunter and did 75k more boss dps

[potent pivot]

have you ever considered that BM is just bad

or the person playing it isn't as good

[spring bough]

He is 3505 mythicnlevel

This dude a god lol

Fatebound coin already doing top dmg on ST

[candid tide]

Darkest night seems wild

Infinite marks on enemy if executed right

[potent pivot]

wdym if executed right

all you gotta do is slam a max cp envenom

[stoic spruce]

Which means executed right

Imagine not at max cp

[potent pivot]

you get a long ass time to use a max cp envenom

how can you execute that incorrectly

[spring bough]

I feel like I’m swimming in combo points right now

[plucky escarp]

Don’t you shiv then 6 pt evenom with darkest night

Because shiv mods your next envenom

[potent pivot]

7 point

but yeah

[plucky escarp]

Sure the big dawg one

[potent pivot]

you also want to shiv kingsbane

[candid tide]

Think fatebound is going to be for pve

[stoic spruce]

For what

[candid tide]

Amd deathstalker for pvp

[potent pivot]

assa runs deathstalker in pve

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

iirc

[stoic spruce]

Literally just asked

Runs Deathstalker in everything

[spring bough]

Oh seeing BTE creep into the 300k crit range is amazing

[stoic spruce]

Used to be pistol shot

RiP Greenskin

[spring bough]

If pistol ends up doing a good percentage of damage

Maybe dropping cto for it would be good

1.67 million dps on an aoe pull 😂

[stoic spruce]

There's absolutely no chance in hell you're dropping that for gsw lol

I can't wait for the .5 patch

[spring bough]

Yeah most crack windows I have 6 buffs

It’s really nice

[stoic spruce]

I know the expac hasn't dropped yet but I'm feening to drop crackshot and a .X patch is my only hope

If RtB wasn't so addicting I would've dropped it already

Nothing compares to rolling a 5 buff

[spring bough]

6 buffs does 💪

[stoic spruce]

YOU CANT ROLL A 6 BUFF

But you can (and will) immediately get your 6th

Because CtO is so good

[cinder elm]

u can only roll 1 2 5 right

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[cinder elm]

even tho i feel like ive rolled a 6

prolly cuz insta cto

[spring bough]

Pretty sure I rolled two 6s earlier

I had every buff with max up time on them

[proud vortex]

i didnt notice any new visuals on the hero talents

did u?

[stoic spruce]

They're very very subtle

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Coins flip on the fatebound lol

[proud vortex]

i'm on trickster and i dont see shit lol

[stoic spruce]

Rogue got the short straw with visuals

[proud vortex]

F

[stoic spruce]

Coup is a thick yellow diagonal slash and an aoe looking shockwave

Why the Shockwave idk

[proud vortex]

Btw in pvp does it matter if the offhand is a sword or should i stick to 2 daggers as in pve

[stoic spruce]

It's not aoe

2 daggers but dealers choice

[potent pivot]

daggers yes

[proud vortex]

i wanted to tmog thunderfury on offhand

sadge

does it make a big diff in pvp? u dont auto that much lol

in sub rogue i mena

[potent pivot]

yeah you do

[proud vortex]

oh well 2 daggers it is

[grave basin]

is any1 level 80 yet

i wont even be able to level till 12 hours from now

sad

[last jasper]

I wouldn’t said it that big of difference

[spring bough]

Yeah warrior in my dungeon group hit it like an hour ago lol

[grave basin]

wew lad

[potent pivot]

most people use 2 daggers these days

[proud vortex]

yea i know i was just thinking if it was trolling using a sword

[kind parcel]

Cam someone confirm that having both stratagem talents (7 combo slots) could lead to waste since combo spenders spend aa max of 6 but make the whole 7 disappear? Or is that a visual bug and having 7 makes it do more damage than 6?

What about kidney shot is the max for that one 5 and 6 and 7 would be wasted?

[last jasper]

No, ppl take sword as stat stick

[potent pivot]

you talking about the tooltips? 7 definitely does more dmg it's just not listed on tooltips

[potent pivot]

if you want to get technical it is

shadow techniques procs are good

now we also run improved shadow techniques

[stoic spruce]

And kidney doesn't use 6 and 7

[kind parcel]

Yes tooltips

OK so what about kidney shot is the max 5 seconds at 5 combo or does it go up

Ah OK, so for kidney it's wasted

[stoic spruce]

No it's not spent

[kind parcel]

But for damage it works

[potent pivot]

it isn't wasted

[somber plank]

it just gets refunded, no?

[potent pivot]

it'll refund them

[proud vortex]

oh yhea now that i read shadow techniques

[kind parcel]

Ah OK

[proud vortex]

the energy difference could be heavy

[kind parcel]

Thx guys

[last jasper]

Yea, but with the mastery that low I think it’s going to be 50/50. Might be wrong, there a few auto talents in deathstalker

[proud vortex]

so deathstalker is the move for subrogue in pvp?

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's going to make enough of a difference

even people on beta were running improved stechs

[kind parcel]

Is it best to spend it at 5 consistently incase mutilate generates 8 and wastes 1 or wait until it reaches 6 or 7 before hitting it for higher damage?

[proud vortex]

which means daggers are way better?

[potent pivot]

yes except for when you need to consume Darkest Night with a 7cp envenom

[potent pivot]

ye

running a slow offhand for mastery only helps when you can reliably kill someone in your go

sub hasn't been able to do that really since shadowlands

and they've only kept making stech better and better

[proud vortex]

oh well

it is what it is

[last jasper]

Nahj, whazz wasn’t. I wouldn’t said sub is energy starved imo

[potent pivot]

nahj 100% was

wait no ur right

nahj was the 1 that wasn't

he ran 25s symbol

[last jasper]

Nope. They both went for shorter symbols

[potent pivot]

still think running a slow offhand is trolling

[proud vortex]

right

thanks for the info

and what abt hero talents for sub ?

[potent pivot]

deathstalker

[proud vortex]

the contrary of pve right. thats nice i get to enjoy both then

[potent pivot]

they're running trickster in pve? holy

i feel bad for them