you lose 3.5% vers to run it
#pvp
outer sky
stats WITHOUT 4 set
Stats WITH 4 set
so you lose like 3.5% vers to gain 1% crit and haste, and 2% mastery
but you also get 2 and 4 set
2 set is so trash we may as well not even consider it
if the 0.8s GCD during ADR happens at 25% haste then any haste above 15% is wasted anyway since we have TEBS for ADR
so it's probably really close but I think no 4 set is probably more damage
fallow rune
Is assassin or sub best for doing pvp?
potent pivot
Is assassin or sub best for doing pvp?
right now in the prepatch yes. might change when TWW launches though.
it's pretty likely that it'll change when TWW launches tbh.
fallow rune
right now in the prepatch yes. might change when TWW launches though.
Havent played rogue in ages, but is Assassin or Subletly the spec to go for open world and rbgs?
potent pivot
all 3 specs are fine for all content
unless you're going to be pushing high rating i would just play the one you find the most fun really
in bgs either could be considered better, depending on the situation
like assa is better in team fights/aoe dmg
fallow rune
Well it wont be much rbg, mostly casual bg's and world pvp.
potent pivot
yeah i would just play the one you like the most, that's what i do for wpvp/honor grind
like if we want to get super technical sub is a little better in 1v1s
spring bough
yall ready for this early launch on thursday??
potent pivot
no
spring bough
lol. i just want my rogue out of remix so i can play and just enjoy leveling it a bit
potent pivot
yeah i want my stuff off remix as well
i haven't bought early access yet tho
might not tbh
spring bough
i wasnt going to but i just caved seeing it starts before the weekend. get 80 over with and then work on my alt lol
spring bough
rogue is main and coin flip for hunter or dk lol
potent pivot
i'm prolly doing 2 rogues, dh, dk
fallow rune
Are rogues stronger than a fury warrior?
fallow rune
Well what would be best to group play with two shaman friends?
potent pivot
like, ele and resto?
fallow rune
Both are elemental. Its not for arenas or such.
potent pivot
ah
wpvp and bgs are kinda just do whatever you wanna do
the game is usually pretty balanced so like
there's not necessarily one thing being "stronger" than another thing
rogues have more CC
we have decent defensives
and usually do good damage
the only thing we lack compared to a warrior is self healing
lunar forge
just blind and heal đ„±
lunar forge
yeah ikr, 2 much sod
potent pivot
Both are elemental. Its not for arenas or such.
but yeah my main point is just; if you're not doing arenas, i wouldn't worry too much about what class or spec is "meta"
i'd just pick what you find cool and have fun
spring bough
how many weeks after launch do we gotta wait for the season. two?
spring bough
thats not too bad get my whole warband 80 and grind some honor
outer sky
hey @potent pivot should we run a dagger in the offhand as outlaw for more FF procs?
outer sky
it also makes poisons proc faster so there's no reason not to
My tmog đŠ
potent pivot
dagger/sword tmog goes hard tho
spring bough
My tmog đŠ
just gotta do the arti dreadblades if u want two swords lol
or thunderfury with the lego dagger is always a good mog
two legos goes hard lol
spring bough
OG TF took me two MC runs first two on my rogue lol
the goldish / orange dreadblades prob my fav skin color for those
spring bough
i bit the bullet a while back and bought the full tier 3 mog and i dont use anything else lol
spring bough
tier 3 + argent dawn tabard such an og mog
potent pivot
and some tcg stuff
i bought a couple tabards before they started handing them out for free
spent like 2m on tabard of the void
spring bough
i saw the white TCG tabard with the skulls** on it i believe the other day
i want that one so badly i missed the amazon promo for that 2 years ago
potent pivot
the swords on it part is throwing me off
spring bough
want that so badly
spring bough
just googled it some1 selling the card for $500
i got the frost tabard. need the fire one lol
potent pivot
pretty sure i bought fire for 500k on the bmah
i wouldn't spend real cash on a tabard
just get them off the bmah
now with warband banks n shit you can snipe any server i think
well bmah requires max level usually so maybe not
spring bough
i have a bid in right now for an unclaimed container
going to watch this thing like a hawk all day and pray a tabards in it lol
potent pivot
i've never tried the boxes
mounts just don't really interest me
the only mounts i really want are the ones i can't have
AH mount and spectral tiger
spring bough
i stick to my infinite timereaver now that i can skyride with it lol
dreadwake ship is pretty cool skyriding look too
spring bough
yeah its cool as hell the wings flap when skyriding
gonna be fun asf pvping on rogue again. plus my new rogues name is Combat doesn't get any better than that lol
potent pivot
spring bough
if only they named one of the hero specs Combat....
potent pivot
gonna be fun asf pvping on rogue again. plus my new rogues name is Combat doesn'...
i named my 2nd dh Dlt
(for delete)
spring bough
must feel good when DH is S tier and deleting people lol
potent pivot
@outer sky you don't have to run a dagger OH bud
outer sky
<@339519002961248258> you don't have to run a dagger OH bud
yeah but its better
potent pivot
it's not
i lied to you
FF is normalized
so you get the same energy regardless
you'll get faster poison procs
that part is still true
just wanted to let you know about the FF thing
just went n made sure
mb
jolly sierra
ugh vegetables
lapis escarp
what's the reason on beta cheap shot doesnt grant full cp with blades active on sub? doing the same rotation on retail and it works fine
potent pivot
what's the reason on beta cheap shot doesnt grant full cp with blades active on ...
huh? it does
lapis escarp
huh? it does
it grants 3 cp for me for some reason
the very first cs after kidney, second cs grants full cp
potent pivot
are you using First Dance or anything else that fucks with combo points?
because First Dance gives 4 which would force the next generator to give 3 but other than that idk
potent pivot
it shouldn't be causing anything weird
tbh
this is the first i'm hearing of this kind of issue
lapis escarp
hm, nope, didnt fixed the issue, the very firs cs gave me 4 cp instead of 3 this time and the second cs gave full cp :S
potent pivot
can you send a ss of your build and tell me the exact globals you're pressing?
lapis escarp
CUQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwDAMDAAAAAAY2MzsMNwmxwYMmZmZmZmxsMLzYmlthZYmxYMzyYAAAAYGGsY2mxsNDjFGWmZbahWmFGD
on opener - shadowstrike, snd, shadowstrike rupture, shadowstrike shadowstrike full cp kidney
during kidney - dance, symbols, tea, sepsis, evis, shadowstrike, secret tech, cheapshot (3 cp), evis, cheap shot (full cp), evis
blades active all the time, forgot to add
was testing on pvp dummy in sw
halcyon timber
Sepsis doesnât always grant full pts. (Been fixed and breaks between patches at times)
potent pivot
he's talking about CS not giving full cp
lapis escarp
ye, sepsis was working fine
halcyon timber
Dunno havenât experienced that but the statement was kidney in the example provided
I see the cs part though later on . Dunno weird man.
Havenât had that happen but def try another dummy to reproduce and submit a bug report
For science - can you reproduce it and see if it is just a cb pt visual error and hit an eviscerate? (Then do the math)
potent pivot
Dunno havenât experienced that but the statement was kidney in the example provi...
the cheapshots are at the end :d
halcyon timber
Yes saw that after reading again
potent pivot
lapis escarp
it seems like cs grants full cp in duel, at least in first duel i tested, ill do some more to be sure
halcyon timber
Was fixated on kidney shot
May be a ui error , i have had that happen during alpha
But for testing hit a finisher to see if it was working. /shrug
halcyon timber
Good deal
potent pivot
Still really weird regardless lol
halcyon timber
They have been placing dummy tags on the IDs lately in the change files so maybe that is something they will look at / is slotted in the next queued build . Who knows though.
lapis escarp
what i noticed is kidney lasts longer on "Pvp" dummy as well, maybe it's not so pvp
whole 8 or 9 seconds
halcyon timber
Yeh its not hooked up w the dummy flags like a player is
Might have to see in dornogal on Thursday
potent pivot
what i noticed is kidney lasts longer on "Pvp" dummy as well, maybe it's not so ...
Yeah thatâs why dummy testing is considered a little unreliable for pvp
Lots of weird buggy interactions
last jasper
not all pvp dummies are flags as enemy player. the one in valdraken works fine.
halcyon timber
Yep, only "new" one is probably only existing in the new areas such as Donogal + Beledar (Earthen Capital + Hallowfall Arathi capital)
graceful ravine
GladiusEX addon not working for anyone else?
potent pivot
yeh idk if there's an update yet
last jasper
GladiusEX addon not working for anyone else?
Whazz said he has a fix in his discord.
swift smelt
@outer sky still feeling outlaw is gonna be solid?
outer sky
<@339519002961248258> still feeling outlaw is gonna be solid?
If it went live as it is now it would be mid tier
swift smelt
If it went live as it is now it would be mid tier
thx, see how the first month shakes out, will level sin for now
graceful ravine
Havenât played for a full year, queued for a shuffle game with green honor gear
They put me in a 2500 lobby and I get stomped 0-6
Yup Iâm not playing til expansion starts lmaoo
Log off immediately
outer sky
They put me in a 2500 lobby and I get stomped 0-6
This is a very common occurrence which people routinely complain about. Not only does that suck for you, but it sucks for everyone else in the lobby knowing the outcome of the match is determined entirely by who's team you're on. But blizzard hasn't lifted a finger to do anything about this which to me implies they somehow think it's fine the way it is.
marble crag
Havenât played for a full year, queued for a shuffle game with green honor gear
why did you go in greens? lul
graceful ravine
How else am I suppose to get conq to buy epics lol
graceful ravine
This is a very common occurrence which people routinely complain about. Not only...
The solution to that is lose 5+ lobbies in a row at 0-6 to drop mmr but thatâs miserable too
Rather just log off and wait
they should apply a mmr reset if a character havenât played a game for 3 seasons
Or even 2 seasons
lime oar
Yeah the whole âwow someone on our team is in greensâ shit never makes sense to me
spring bough
any of yall done evo in pvp? just saw their set for TWW bout to make one to mess around lol
lime oar
People have to start somewhere. not everyone has friends to grind conquest in 2/3s in. So their alternative is rated blitz and shuffle. Expect to see returning or new players in greens.
graceful ravine
Did blizz end up fixing mmr to adjust for more inflation vs decreasing player activity?
outer sky
Or, the easier way, gatekeep MMR behind ilvl
marble crag
How else am I suppose to get conq to buy epics lol
Do the quests, play the battlegrouds, do the blitz etc
you should get out of that around 500-700 conquest for good gear
blitz is much more forgiving for low gear if you are good and rewards lots of conquest
graceful ravine
Do the quests, play the battlegrouds, do the blitz etc
Rather wait a week for exp at that point
marble crag
yeah i was gonna say unless you actually enjoy playing it, theres no point grinding it if you just want to do solo shuffle
surreal barn
This is a very common occurrence which people routinely complain about. Not only...
Iâd welcome it honestly
Two reasons, first itâs easier to get better playing with better people - and two I think itâs dumb as fuck we donât have to start in the trenches with the rest of the lower rateds at season start after weâve hit 2400
I mean yeah itâs easier but it doesnât feel fair seeing as how often the meta and skills change đ
Reset that shit every season.
potent pivot
honor transferring does a lot to fix that imo, for our alts at least, but does nothing for the new/returning players.
everyone's gotta start somewhere
almost feels like there should be some system for helping gear your first character
we also get conq boxes for our alts etc
surreal barn
I wouldnât mind them closing the gap more with honor gear and conquest
The power disparity is super obvious when it doesnât have to be
inner tartan
can u only get the glad mount from rated 3s ?
worthy crag
yes
indigo hill
Anyone know if honor resets when the expansion starts?
hollow carbon
Anyone know if honor resets when the expansion starts?
It does
So theres no point to hold on it
hexed spoke
Hi guys, what poisons i should be use for pvp how assa rogue? Thanks
wintry dew
Most of the times wound + crippling
hexed spoke
Ty mate, so deadly its not worth it?
wintry dew
It is
some times
You want wound most of the time for the healing reduction
but if you have another mortal strike effect on your team like p.e. warrior, you could run deadly
spring bough
so whats the deal again with weapons in season 1
we get a quest and we just auto get a set once we hit a certain conquest earned number?
wintry axle
Hi, long time rogue here but back after a break. How are we looking in pvp in tww? I saw we got some kidney nerfs and stuff
indigo hill
Hard to say atm since numbers are all over the place. Right now in prepatch Assa is doing ok, Sub not so much and Outlaw does absolutely nothing.
wintry axle
Was thinking on beta, I heard we're actually pretty bad, just wanted to hear what the community thinks
lusty lion
Was thinking on beta, I heard we're actually pretty bad, just wanted to hear wha...
Not bad at all imo, the cc kit is still as strong as ever, kidney cooldown increase doesn't hurt sub as much as the other specs since we reduce cd anyway. Blizz seems to start to understand that they need to balance rogue by adjusting the cc kit, not it's dmg numbers. Now they just have to tune the numbers back up a little. In blitz rogues are still super useful and top tier for objective shenanigans.
wintry axle
Great, thanks for the reply đ
lusty lion
Outlaw is indeed in a weird place tho, it's just a worse version of sub at this point
indigo hill
They should rework Outlaw, the whole go in and out of stealth system doesnt really fit them imo.
spring bough
they already reworked it in S3 of DF i think it was so we gonna have to wait on that one lol
stoic spruce
They should rework Outlaw, the whole go in and out of stealth system doesnt real...
Also an extremely buggy mess
steel scarab
Outlaw should have some sort of stacking buff in pvp that makes them stronger the longer they're out of stealth, with some sort of reasonable cap on it. That would be very thematic of the brawler theme, and make a lot more sense than the stealth nonsense the spec currently employs
potent pivot
we get a quest and we just auto get a set once we hit a certain conquest earned ...
we get them free week 3 or some shit
potent pivot
Outlaw is indeed in a weird place tho, it's just a worse version of sub at this ...
what makes you think that? it does a lot more dmg and has a more persistent, more cleave based pressure. it's better than sub rn.
potent pivot
i think most people enjoy stealth windows on outlaw
stoic spruce
Most in this server sure
potent pivot
i know i prefer it
stoic spruce
It's lukewarm elsewhere
Takenitnornleave
Whoa
Take it or leave it lol
Remember when outlaw had cdr on cloak?
I think it was only in legion
halcyon timber
SL conduit too no?
stoic spruce
Idr
lusty lion
what makes you think that? it does a lot more dmg and has a more persistent, mor...
It doesn't have more survivability than sub, not as much restealth potential and utility so there's no way to apply that damage consistently imo (I'm not convinced it's more than sub but I could be wrong, I guess without shadow blades it could very well be more). The only thing it has going for it rn is the huge mobility so you can just cross a bg map in seconds and troll ppl with caps
stoic spruce
Cdr on 2 charges of feint is kinda goated
halcyon timber
Love that talent
stoic spruce
Yeah huge fan
halcyon timber
Def helps a lot
potent pivot
It doesn't have more survivability than sub, not as much restealth potential and...
usually people say outlaw lives cases where sub dies, outlaw stays in dpsing damn near no matter what
stoic spruce
Any 100% feint uptime gamers?
potent pivot
outlaw is definitely out performing assa/sub in arena on beta rn
does more dmg, stays in longer, etc
it can run Float like a Butterfly into certain match ups as well
but in pvp a good offense makes for a good defence
if you can keep up enough pressure to put the other team on the backfoot
outlaw's doing damn near double or more dmg than sub rn
blissful osprey
It doesn't have more survivability than sub, not as much restealth potential and...
Outlaw has vanish every 15 seconds or so when your doing dps
blissful osprey
No restless blades resets cd
potent pivot
yeah that's what i'm saying
vanish is a 2 minute CD without restless blades
but realistically just going back to what Stippler was saying, Sub really doesn't have that much more survivability than Outaw
lusty lion
On paper sure, but like...my experience in blitz is that you get bursted down as soon as you run out of cc. I'm trash tho so 
potent pivot
like Sub has more access to use cheap shot/sap
lusty lion
on sub I usually manage to gtfo and at least burst someone down by the time I have to do that
potent pivot
and has Cloaked in Shadows on Vanish
Outlaw has Vanish pretty often though
you just have to keep your abilities on CD and keep DPSing
if you're not squeezing the value out of Restless Blades, then you're going to be dead in the water
surreal barn
I know man
potent pivot
2 days of remix left, 3-4 classes to go
potent pivot
i've leveled another nelf rogue, human DK, nelf druid
today my goal is human mage, then either human warr or pala
surreal barn
Am I an ass for reserving 3 Jaina names
potent pivot
idk i have hella names reserved
surreal barn
For a class I am godawful at
potent pivot
i think the only thing i won't have max level in tww is warlock
and evoker
oh and monk
spring bough
i like playing fistweaver when its a top choice lol
otherwise i cant play healer lol
just max dps and heal and hope everyone lives lmao
steel scarab
i've leveled so much shit this week
My fiance has legitimately leveled 12 characters to max in remix lol
potent pivot
My fiance has legitimately leveled 12 characters to max in remix lol
that's how it be man
i've only done like 5 or 6 in remix so far
but it's so fucking fast you've just gotta take advantage of it while it's there
a lot of my old alts were still pve races, and lvl 60 from SL
so i'm basically redoing my entire roster
spring bough
whats a good special race to pvp with
ive never done any of those quests to unlock the new races lol
steel scarab
I love rogue and I'd sooner quit the game than play another class as a main
That said, I've always loved the idea of being a holy paladin, but fiance won't let me do it because paladin is her main and she's afraid I'll "put her to shame" if I play pally lol
Her words, not mine đ
potent pivot
whats a good special race to pvp with
you mean an Allied race?
the only ones that are good for pvp are Dark Iron Dwarf and Mechagnome
Mechagnome has a sort of Cheat Death, but i have no idea how it works or whether it's good or not, no one really plays it though so i imagine it's not great
Dark Iron Dwarf is really strong
spring bough
bout to go unlock one of them since im bored lol
potent pivot
removes almost any debuffs
plus a bunch of main stat
but i think it shares CD with trinket or some shit
so be aware of that
spring bough
so then u dont need the pvp trink to get out of stuff and can get two offensive ones? lol
potent pivot
well the racial doesn't get you out of cc
i'm not super sure as i've never played one
it might work on roots, not sure about anything else
so you still want regular trinket
spring bough
any good horde ones for pvp?
potent pivot
horde allied races you mean?
na
they're all kinda trash
one of the Tauren's has a knockback stun or something
Pandaren has a stun that DRs as an incap iirc
the main pvp races in general are Human, Nelf, Orc, DIDwarf
spring bough
im pretty much just nelf and orc right now lol
lime oar
Damn I had no idea about dark irons racial, thatâs very enticing
spring bough
already on the quest for dark iron lol. what class is the question tho
wont play a rogue other than nelf cause of meld lol
potent pivot
Damn I had no idea about dark irons racial, thatâs very enticing
yeh it can be really good, the only issue is it sharing CD with trinket
lime oar
Ohhhhh nvm
potent pivot
but it's pretty damn good when bleed classes are meta
lime oar
Yucky
lime oar
I guess 30s isnât long to wait esp if u already popped trinket
spring bough
i might do pally cause that seems OP with bubbles too lol
potent pivot
human racial for example puts trinket on CD for 90s
lime oar
Google says 30 yeh
potent pivot
i might do pally cause that seems OP with bubbles too lol
yeah i was thinking about pally just because they have so many ranged abilities now lmao
potent pivot
Google says 30 yeh
yeah other racials tend to put trinket on CD for 90s i just wasn't sure
lime oar
Feels weird for that ability to share a CD w trinket tbh
lime oar
does meld as well?
potent pivot
no
potent pivot
Feels weird for that ability to share a CD w trinket tbh
well any racials that break some type of CC would be way too busted if they didn't
lime oar
I need to make a nelf I just like human too much
spring bough
question is remix for pally rn or just regular lol
potent pivot
wdym? to level it?
spring bough
yeah prob just gonna take 3 hours in remix lol
potent pivot
i'd def go remix, especially if you're already got the 100% bonus XP on your alt's cloak
hexed pewter
when should i use feint in pvp?
potent pivot
when should i use feint in pvp?
anytime you're going to be taking a lot of AoE damage
hexed pewter
anytime you're going to be taking a lot of AoE damage
im new to pvp, what skills should i be looking for?
potent pivot
yeah prob just gonna take 3 hours in remix lol
you only have to level to like 40 if you do a couple raids
lime oar
The CD is so short just press that thing on the opener when u have a chance
potent pivot
that's going to be something you learn as you go for the most part
but literally anything that affects more than 1 player
lime oar
Esp against other melee like I just hit it whenever itâs up and Iâm in the mix
hexed pewter
that's going to be something you learn as you go for the most part
i see..can you name like 2-3 that are very strong?
potent pivot
a lot of melee abilties passively cleave
potent pivot
i see..can you name like 2-3 that are very strong?
Death knight's Abomination Limb
lime oar
Bladestorm, blade dance
potent pivot
a lot of Warrior dmg
hexed pewter
tyvm
potent pivot
fire mage's ring of fire
and flamestrike
you just kinda get a feel for it as you learn
but really any time you feel like you're in trouble, you can press it
hexed pewter
you just kinda get a feel for it as you learn
what kind of pvp should i learn first as sin? 2v2? solo shuffle?
potent pivot
like if your CC is on CD etc
potent pivot
what kind of pvp should i learn first as sin? 2v2? solo shuffle?
i'd play whatever spec you like the most, and do BGs first
jump into shuffle when you're a little more confident in knowing what all your abilities do etc
lime oar
Can someone elaborate on rupture with sub rogue on live/on beta? Did it get buffed? I heard it ticks harder than assa? General explanation cuz I would use it a lot a few seasons ago but never a massive prio. Seems like people are saying itâs 100% necessary now.
potent pivot
it's ticked harder than assa's rupture for a while now
pretty much all of DF i think that's been the case
gimme a sec
i'll list some interactions
you've got Dark Brew:
spring bough
kul tiran any good for pvp or nah
potent pivot
then you've got everything that increases finisher damage for sub
spring bough
a beefy rogue seems kinda funny lol
potent pivot
like Mastery, Deeper Strat, Secret Strat, etc
all of these things combined make rupture go brr
even without Replicating Shadows (the aoe rupture+20%dmg), rupture does decent dmg
potent pivot
kul tiran any good for pvp or nah
it's pretty bad i think
i think it has some sort of stun
lime oar
Shit u right. Thanks for clarifying
potent pivot
Shit u right. Thanks for clarifying
np
you basically try to keep rupture up at all times now
it can help to have it on the KT before your go or sometimes you can apply it during your go even
you want to press different abilities for Danse Macabre anyway
and if you run First Dance you can use those 4 combo points for rupture
etc etc
lime oar
Yeah I definitely need to work weaving it in with sub since Iâve been playing assa for a while now
If u have a sec could u link whatever build ur running for sub
potent pivot
If u have a sec could u link whatever build ur running for sub
it's in the pins
lime oar
Thnx
last jasper
beta goes brr
potent pivot
beta goes brr
if you get too high CR you can make a new character to get faster queues
seen some people doing it that way 
once you get like 2-2.1 on beta the qs can get slower
last jasper
if you get too high CR you can make a new character to get faster queues
thats on a fresh toon. first shuffle
last jasper
seen some people doing it that way <:kekw:610125925413289985>
yea đ
potent pivot
thats on a fresh toon. first shuffle
oof
potent pivot
Assa PvP looking fire?
in prepatch yeah, in beta meh
shadenox makes some decent assa stuff on YT
other than that there's just your average pvp content creators like pikaboo, venruki (not a rogue), etc
currently TWW is looking like outlaw/sub season
plush umbra
Thanks! Much appreciated
lime oar
YT def lacking on current sub rogue content imo
lime oar
potent pivot
imo it's better to just ask people or watch someone on twitch
i think both nahj and kalvish don't require a sub to view their vods
tawdry imp
rogue friends, if you're 1v1ing a frost mage, you open on them and they trinket, DB into poly you, should I also trinket to get myself out of that and reset?
potent pivot
as what spec
tawdry imp
sin or sub, would they be different?
spring bough
i did a dark dwarf rogue screw it lol. two rogues to pvp with this season XD
potent pivot
sin or sub, would they be different?
ig it depends on the situation, if it's just a straight up duel with all CDs i think you do
tawdry imp
yeah just a straight up duel, was doing some friendly duels with a friend to learn and that was always his strategy when I'd open on him, couldn't see much way round it but also am bad
lime oar
hate runs deep for frost mage round these parts
last jasper
YT def lacking on *current* sub rogue content imo
Kalvish is pretty much the only sub who's playing beta rn.
potent pivot
Kalvish is pretty much the only sub who's playing beta rn.
eh?
nahj has been as well
lime oar
Yeah I briefly saw a clip of kalvish dueling the other day
last jasper
nahj has been as well
oh, my bad probably missed him.
indigo hill
Anyone know when the rating for blitz resets?
potent pivot
Anyone know when the rating for blitz resets?
prolly when the season starts
sep 10th
indigo hill
Good. Then I got time to get 50 more rating.
potent pivot
stoic spruce
That's so damn stupid
Yall
There's no I can possibly harass more
I need more manpower
My hate is spread too thin
potent pivot
We making another rogue
idk how good that'd even be in pvp
i assume you get double jump and glide, 1 knock up and 1 knock back that both slow by 70% for 4 sec
surreal barn
Their racials are good af
potent pivot
i just listed them
surreal barn
2.5% extra mastery too
potent pivot
ya i'd assume human is better
potent pivot
i feel like it'd be better than panda but worse than what we have now
surreal barn
lol imagine garrote into a kick into a gouge into a kidney, then letâs slap them with a tail and wings
Healers hate this one trick
potent pivot
n elf is also just really strong
surreal barn
You will die to every sub rogue
muted abyss
The only way they kill NE is by making shadowmeld not drop combat anymore
surreal barn
That will do it
muted abyss
They should honestly just get rid of racials entirely in pvp
surreal barn
Agreed
muted abyss
eh, not really lol
stoic spruce
I can't think of how it doesnt
muted abyss
Or just have an option to select your racial ability, ez fix
surreal barn
Itâs the opposite
stoic spruce
Then it's not a racial
muted abyss
it just forces people to play ugly races they don't like like dwarf
surreal barn
Everyone is a nightelf now
I liked seeing all the different races now you just see a couple
muted abyss
I literally leveled up nightelfs for every class because of how OP the racial is
stoic spruce
And most of the nelfs I faced sucked ass
muted abyss
that doesn't add depth, it just makes people play the OP racial
potent pivot
nelf isn't worth for some classes
it's only omega strong for rogue because we have stealth
halcyon timber
They are also increasing Knockbacks + Knockups of other classes and keeping Dracthyr racials lower
muted abyss
I really only play rogue, but having that pseudo vahish to dodge incoming cc is great
potent pivot
like DK already has so much shit to immune cc
stoic spruce
I have a win streak against nelf rogues
potent pivot
so they don't bother with nelf
stoic spruce
And I carve tally marks into my desk
80% of nelf rogues aren't worth their weight in salt
potent pivot
stoic spruce
You can't tell me I'm wrong
potent pivot
sounding like a blood elf over here man
muted abyss
what rating are you killing these nightelfs?
stoic spruce
2100+
muted abyss
and what ugly race are you playing lol
muted abyss
lol, you are basically playing without a racial then
halcyon timber
def sounds like sabotage bc dracthyr can be our class
narrow brook
If u play rbg ans def base, meld IS a must
muted abyss
the fear break shares cd with trinket doesn't it?
lime oar
Man dracthyr is just so goofy I hate it
potent pivot
the fear break shares cd with trinket doesn't it?
only by 30s
stoic spruce
the fear break shares cd with trinket doesn't it?
Yeah
If you play it smart. It's a non-issue
muted abyss
only by 30s
ah okay, I thought it just straight up shared it like human racial
muted abyss
might as well be lol
potent pivot
what
potent pivot
1.30 trinket rotation is insane
muted abyss
in arenas sure
stoic spruce
According to blizzard, that's BGs
potent pivot
is there any point in talking about unrated content tho
muted abyss
RBGs aren't unrated?
potent pivot
he's talking about regular BGs
potent pivot
RBGs are much less popular than arena
potent pivot
maybe that'll change with blitz, who knows
muted abyss
i think it will, gonna be even harder to find healers in shuffle and arenas
potent pivot
but shuffle and arena in general has always been the main form of pvp
as long as shuffle has achievements and titles
it'll stay popular
same with 3v3
blitz is mostly just going to be for people that farm 1.8k's
muted abyss
as long as 1.8k in bg blitz gives elite transmog it's over for shuffle imo
stoic spruce
blitz is mostly just going to be for people that farm 1.8k's
Literally me season 1
Hit 1800 in blitz and hit up bo6 until crackshot gets deleted
Wait no I need my mythics too
muted abyss
God, I can't remember the last time I did a dungeon or raid
potent pivot
the amount of people that push 1.8->3k aren't gonna care about blitz
muted abyss
the amount of people that push 1.8->3k aren't gonna care about blitz
yeah, they are also probably sticking to 2v2 and 3v3
shuffle as a healer is fucking brutal, way more fun in bgs
potent pivot
yeah, they are also probably sticking to 2v2 and 3v3
nah
as long as shuffle has a r1 title
people will play it
2s has basically just become conquest farming
3s has glad mount, r1 title
shuffle has r1 title
muted abyss
maybe I'm in the minority, I just play to have fun and not grind out titles and mounts
muted abyss
But you're burdened to play the best race?
Yeah, shadowmeld is a huge deal as rogue
muted abyss
Dwarves are not ugly
isn't female dwarf like one of the rarest race/sex combos?
stoic spruce
who tf wants to play as a girl?
muted abyss
You get to play dressup, it's great
muted abyss
Yeah, and male nelf is too lanky and bulky
potent pivot
But you're burdened to play the best race?
People like to play whatâs best no matter their skill/investment level
potent pivot
I used to be like you
In the older days 
When I first came back in SL s1 I made an undead rogue
stoic spruce
pre-crackshot 
potent pivot
Only to find out it was no longer bis like it was in tbc/wotlk days
So I went orc
stoic spruce
you were one of THEM
muted abyss
So I went orc
ngl, I literally stopped playing horde cause of the BE racial nerf
orc was just a step too far for me, couldn't do it
stoic spruce
I remember making LFG posts saying I wasnt taking Orcs
potent pivot
Orc was really good in SL
Before they nerfed the racial or kidney duration or whatever happened
spring bough
Gonna have three rogues for the season to choose from. Combat. Conbatant. Hispaniola. Nightelf, dark dwarf and human lol
muted abyss
People like to play whatâs best no matter their skill/investment level
Yup, I'm a dad gamer even though we are dink and just get to around 1.8-2k naturally and just have fun in bgs with full conquest gear
muted abyss
Gonna have three rogues for the season to choose from. Combat. Conbatant. Hispan...
I've just got 2 since sin and sub share stat proi for the most part
spring bough
Iâm going all outlaw lmao
stoic spruce
based
muted abyss
I've tried to like outlaw, is it mostly just good in arenas?
stoic spruce
yeah
spring bough
Donât matter if itâs good or not at the time to me either Iâm playing it anyways lol
But yeah itâs looking good season 1
stoic spruce
its a group fighter in rbgs and people dont like that
spring bough
Fate bound doing damage
halcyon timber
Gonna have three rogues for the season to choose from. Combat. Conbatant. Hispan...
Proper
spring bough
Blade flurry always underrated
muted abyss
its a group fighter in rbgs and people dont like that
which is kinda what sin does with garrote
potent pivot
Iâm going all outlaw lmao
We prolly all are ngl
stoic spruce
yknow
spring bough
Repping outlaw since before time đ
muted abyss
I'll prolly play human for my outlaw rogue
spring bough
Nelf gonna still be OP if we going crack shot again
potent pivot
I'll prolly play human for my outlaw rogue
Nelf pretty good for outlaw
spring bough
Meld is amazing
surreal barn
Iâm going human for sub Nelf for Assa
muted abyss
Nelf pretty good for outlaw
shieeeet, guess I level another rogue then
stoic spruce
I found a build on beta that doesnt use it but its weird and needs refinement
not kir
that ones still cooking
ho/gs
fatebound
spring bough
I always liked HO
atomic adder
Not gonna lie - for rated solo BGs been messing around with kultiran and you can use the knockback racial / smoke bomb to get some easy caps
spring bough
Double vanish instead of vanish/dance is amazing cause you get CDR on both now lol
potent pivot
Double vanish instead of vanish/dance is amazing cause you get CDR on both now l...
Only 1 cools down at a time tho
So you have less stealth access overall
spring bough
Damn didnât even think of that lmao
stoic spruce
but now it interacts with your kit more
stoic spruce
people have made weakauras to disarm crackshot so idk if it'll make much a difference
halcyon timber
Thatâs scummy
potent pivot
Thatâs how it is
halcyon timber
Yep
stoic spruce
only option is to not play it 
potent pivot
only option is to not play it <:dead:932888396316155934>
I think itâs still good
halcyon timber
Get outta prepatch nonsense
stoic spruce
obv its still good
potent pivot
CC the person that would disarm you
halcyon timber
Yeh
stoic spruce
that is a lot easier said than done given theres no context to any hypothetical situation
spring bough
unless they changed it
stoic spruce
you cant build
potent pivot
you can still cast BTE when disarmed?
I yeah but you canât build cp properly
stoic spruce
well ps
spring bough
you can get lucky sometimes
go for like 7 straight if u have CP before disarm
or get screwed get none
potent pivot
Disarm isnât the only issue either
Getting CCâd in general is
Canât do shit sitting in a stun
spring bough
i usually try to cloak before a big go with crack or evasion
spring bough
Gotta use vanish just for offense đ
spring bough
Goal is to get it off cd as fast as possible lol
Only way to do that DPS lights out lol
If you all need a new race for rogue do it now a bunch of level boosters in remix random dungeons
This one guy just got me 20 levels
muted abyss
yup, and remember to do heroic dungeons, and download the nobonusexp addons
spring bough
I didnât even do the raids lol
potent pivot
if you have 100% xp bonus on cloak from lvling once already
muted abyss
Yeah, it's so quick now
spring bough
Just did random heroic dungeons. This guy did like 20 straight ques for us
potent pivot
i usually do the raids
lime oar
Conversely, if you have a non-remix character thatâs like a random level. You can spam the prepatch event quests/boss kill and u level every 2-3 quests and they only take like 30 seconds each
spring bough
Yeah thatâs fast too this is just about the same
potent pivot
then open mail at 40ish
i have an addon so i don't loot bonus xp from bosses
and an addon for opening specific items from mail
lusty lion
Which hero talents spec do Subs go on Beta for arena rn?
potent pivot
Deathstalker
lusty lion
Noice, ty
spring bough
I am gonna probably run the season without blade rush too for CTO. Gonna have to get used to playing without it lol
But KS is a nice pickup for losing it
potent pivot
yeah i think that swap is debatable
spring bough
Yeah prob doesnât prob as much in PvP but still pretty good with crackshot spams
spring bough
Isnât that one pretty bad lol
spring bough
Really? Is it still feint spam or did they change it
potent pivot
trickster is not close in pvp
stoic spruce
have you played beta?
potent pivot
i've seen it
spring bough
Isnât KS just a usual pick on any HO build now?
stoic spruce
no the vers talent and ks are almost equal dmg
spring bough
You can take both with the usual build
stoic spruce
you can but you could also put the KS talent elsewhere for an equal amount if dmg gain
though it does break roots
which is half of its appeal
spring bough
Where would you put KS into swift slasher then or improved MG
stoic spruce
are you online?
spring bough
Yeah lmao
potent pivot
no the vers talent and ks are almost equal dmg
what
stoic spruce
link me your build and I'll show you
stoic spruce
I couldnt believe it either
spring bough
where would i put the pointt instead of KS?
stoic spruce
lul slight of hand still exists
spring bough
i heard sleight is shit now
potent pivot
sounds like bs
stoic spruce
always has been
potent pivot
ima be real
stoic spruce
we dont have bladestorm
stoic spruce
ima be real
bro im telling you
halcyon timber
You have shitstorm instead
potent pivot
bro im telling you
3% damage is equal to KS doing like 10% of your damage?
you're trolling
halcyon timber
Where everything has a high chance to go on dr
stoic spruce
3% damage is equal to KS doing like 10% of your damage?
yeah
well specifically vers
but yeah
spring bough
I must be slow because I canât see how losing KS would be an equal gain with any node I can chose in that pic lmao
stoic spruce
because you want to think that an active ability does more than a passive
potent pivot
spring bough
Time to play riptose
halcyon timber
3% to everything all the time has to be decent no?
spring bough
Mastery outlaw season one inc
potent pivot
it legit DOES more dmg
stoic spruce
if it does, its not by a lot
but KS is never taken for damage anyway
so this entire convo is null
halcyon timber
For the dr and root break?
stoic spruce
yeah ig
potent pivot
you know they buffed KS damage right?
stoic spruce
yeah
potent pivot
it does like 10% of your damage
halcyon timber
By a good chunk
spring bough
i was thinking of even dropping vers talents for something tbh
stoic spruce
and vers buffs everthing
spring bough
at somepoint we gonna have enough vers thru gear right?
stoic spruce
i was thinking of even dropping vers talents for something tbh
thats your best stat
in s3
I imagine
maybe s2
S1 def running that
spring bough
so then its not equal to KS got it
halcyon timber
Why not both of them though?
spring bough
haste got better tho right?
stoic spruce
only until 25%
stoic spruce
thats a good question
stoic spruce
did they ever fix Enduring Brawler for HO?
spring bough
it didnt for all of DF
TT proccing for ambush that is. if it is fixed and does now. might be worth?
spring bough
it is lol. i play like im a fury warrior lmao
i know sting is preferred now but idt i can give up float and all the evasions i get
stoic spruce
float is still very good
both are good choices really
I think you have to be more conscience about what youre fighting in order to choose now tho
stoic spruce
warrior
muted abyss
warrior > hunter > pally
spring bough
i just leveled two rogues to 70 today lmao get more rogue races XD
blissful osprey
Warrior
spring bough
mechagnome
potent pivot
don't even have it :)
halcyon timber
Thats cursed
stoic spruce
something no one else has
muted abyss
female dwarf
stoic spruce
lightforged rogue
potent pivot
i just leveled two rogues to 70 today lmao get more rogue races XD
i already have 3 rogues
i've got a warr but it's belf from pve days
i've got an orc hunter which honestly is prolly fine
stoic spruce
lame sauce
spring bough
ever play BM hunter? they are fun to level and ez as hell lol
potent pivot
i pref surv
spring bough
i like the play right now but i dont like the buttons. i dont have 1 open button but like 50% of survivals damage is wildfire bomb. i dont understand it lol
my outlaw has like 8 open buttons now which is awesome
halcyon timber
Terrorist yard bombs
stoic spruce
Nail bombs
halcyon timber
Bbq hammer style
spring bough
everytime i pvp with survival i look at overall and wildfire is a minimum 50% lol
its crazy
potent pivot
i also like to lvl as the spec i'm going to play
spring bough
explosive is like 25%
potent pivot
so i can get used to it
stoic spruce
I personally like when the playstyle is just bomb hucking lol
"Think fast chucklenuts" x50
spring bough
that one talent that does the passive explosive shots is so OP idk why everyone doesnt have it
stoic spruce
Crackshot activating off adr presses would fix so much
spring bough
or just reversing DF season 1 FTE fix
i still hate them for that lol
everytime pistol had a proc it woulld be full 7 CP it was amazing
spring bough
does deal fate apply from ambush with HO too
halcyon timber
Si its inherited
spring bough
nicee we rocking then
stoic spruce
Bro is an ho GAMER
spring bough
played KIR like once all of dragonflight lol
stoic spruce
I played it in prepatch
spring bough
going for elite HO rogue again XD
stoic spruce
Can't wait to cook terribad builds in S1
stoic spruce
Yes
spring bough
i wish i could share the name of the monk i was in a group with earlier on here LOL
stoic spruce
That name has "when I lose in a duel, I have an excuse and when I win in a duel, you suck" energy
muted abyss
my outlaw rogue is named Pairetsu
spring bough
last one i did is Hispaniola for a pirate cove from back in the day lol
fitting for outlaw lol
halcyon timber
Its time boys to break into edwin vancleefâs grave and resurrect him
spring bough
i wonder if u can do vancleef as a name for a char or if its blocked lol
halcyon timber
Probably taken
spring bough
brb bout to make a fourth rogue lol
halcyon timber
Dude was awesome
He was anti gov, i dig it
I think the story was when him and the masons rebuilt stormwind they didnât compensate them so they revolted
spring bough
Iâm kinda digging the dark dwarf racial is a defensive and offensive in one lol
halcyon timber
Fireblood yeah?
spring bough
Yeah itâs cool looking too
halcyon timber
It clears stuff off them and does what else?
spring bough
Gives base agility and then X more per disease and all that cleansed
And adds time for each one too
halcyon timber
Ah dang
spring bough
8 sec base but time for each item cleared i think
halcyon timber
Meanwhile im fishing for buffs trying to wipe off spell warding/ bop
spring bough
Bout to do a kul tiran for the fun of this last days of remix lol
halcyon timber
Or the anti stun thing rets do
Canât remember the name atm
Blessing of sanctuary or whatever
Kt haymaker does a good bit no? Sizable knockback + stun?
halcyon timber
Punch someone into an elite
spring bough
Give these dam shaman some of their own medicine
halcyon timber
Or into lava
spring bough
So tired of the knockbacks and the season hasnât started lol
spring bough
100 to 0 with one button
halcyon timber
And hunter bomb
Before the patch, i saw a monk ox kick a tank into the abyss
Was pretty funny
spring bough
Vaanncleef wasnât taken just had to add some extra letters đ
surreal barn
Vanquiff isnât either
potent pivot
WW monk is so bad lmfao
it's ok i'll carry u on my dk đ
outer sky
it's ok i'll carry u on my dk đ
I'm down
potent pivot
idk how tf to play dk but i'm gonna give it a shot
spring bough
Top damage by far was Karma
Let me just cloak of shadows that damage away from you
GG monks season one đ
Finally not deleting me instantly
outer sky
Let me just cloak of shadows that damage away from you
well any half decent monk won't karma the rogue unless he knows he doesn't have cloak
This is just hilariously undertuned though
spring bough
I try not to cloak for anything but that against a monk. Second they pop it cloaks on lol
outer sky
I try not to cloak for anything but that against a monk. Second they pop it cloa...
yeah but like I said if the monk has any kind of brains at all he won't karma you if you have cloak
halcyon timber
They karma your team mate instead heh
outer sky
yeah
I'd like to see the redesign Karma so that it's just a buff on the monk and does damage to to players based on how much damage they do to the monk
to avoid having to "karma someone"
The 20 yard range on it has fucked me many times against casters
halcyon timber
Like old ret thorns aura thing?
outer sky
yeah
halcyon timber
Killed ourselves with snd
Lord
Prob wouldnât be bad if it was an âauraâ on activation that split it between all enemies or something
surreal barn
Depends if he wants to bait an early cloak since cd is 30 secs shorter
halcyon timber
What else does monk have atm?
halcyon timber
Dampen harm still around?
potent pivot
oh it's an execute i am tripping
surreal barn
why can't i press this shit
Wym
potent pivot
lmfao
halcyon timber
Kek
surreal barn
lul
potent pivot
i only read the first sentence lmaoo
outer sky
Dampen harm still around?
nope
surreal barn
Just go mid and protect your hunter
outer sky
Our damage, mobility, defensives, AND CC all got nerfed lmfao
potent pivot
after today i think i'll have everything leveled except monk/evoker
warlock/shaman sitting at 60
outer sky
imagine thinking paralysis was too broken and needed to be nerfed from 4s to 3s
idk what these dumbass devs are doing over there
Like I'm actually confident saying monk is the worst class in the game on beta right now
healer is trash
ww is trash
potent pivot
Like I'm actually confident saying monk is the worst class in the game on beta r...
enh sham for sure
halcyon timber
Tab target rising sun kick sins caught up with wind walkers
last jasper
warlock/shaman sitting at 60
Diabolist is hella fun
last jasper
Yea. The one that summons random demons
potent pivot
The only lock spec I enjoy is aff
If aff is good then maybe Iâll play around with it a little
last jasper
Hellcaller the super instant cast nonsense?
halcyon timber
This one đ
https://youtube.com/shorts/zhDia9GQPFY?si=OE2wWoYOXSoZD6d1
Yep looks about right. Their shadowbolts crank too.
Diabloist is the metamorphosis type tree right?
Aff /destruction i think share it?
last jasper
Definitely destro. Not sure about the other one. Cuz I usually only play destro
halcyon timber
Just saw vids on it, keeping eyes on other classes is all for familiarization
outer sky
Is aff still basically ranged assa rogue?
No they have direct kill pressure now with haunt
halcyon timber
Yeah haunt can eff people up
spring bough
Kul tiran pretty cool being so bulky
Rocking the full pirate set from legion on this guy lol
muted abyss
Kul tiran pretty cool being so bulky
fat humans
muted abyss
Americans basically
potent pivot
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