pvp

[outer sky]

and its okay good inside ADR because of the reduced GCD?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[outer sky]

Is that really worth stacking a dogshit stat for?

[potent pivot]

that's what made haste's value sky rocket

[outer sky]

sounds like crit may be better

[potent pivot]

is just the change to ADR

[potent pivot]

this i highly doubt

ADR uptime for one

is really good

[outer sky]

can the GCD get reduced anymore than to 0.8s?

[potent pivot]

no

[outer sky]

so we have a haste ceiling

[potent pivot]

there's a certain % break point that makes it .8s

and it's somewhere around 25%

that's why i'm saying the take em by surprise uptime during ADR is so valuable

[outer sky]

ok so if that's the case

[potent pivot]

because you're at 16% haste

and take gives haste

[outer sky]

i should probably drop some haste

because I have TEBS

[potent pivot]

why

[outer sky]

and alacrity

[potent pivot]

alacrity can drop

[outer sky]

so I'm going over 25%

[potent pivot]

whats your alac uptime

[outer sky]

65%

[potent pivot]

take is based on your inputs alone, not procs/fall offs

so if your alac falls off

you get boned hard from dropping that haste

me personally, i'd stick with what you've got

but who knows

i just never want to have to worry about alacrity really

[outer sky]

TEBS is giving 12% haste not 10

[potent pivot]

that shit is an after thought for me

it should be 10 no?

take your cut is 10

wowhead says tebs is 10

i haven't seen a buff anywhere that i remember

[outer sky]

Watch my stats and buffs as I vanish

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

TEBS is dmg increase coming out of stun

[outer sky]

no thats turn the tables

[potent pivot]

waht

[stoic spruce]

Oh right

[potent pivot]

lol

[stoic spruce]

Take Your Cut is the haste

[outer sky]

the haste pvp talent

TEBS is the haste regular talent on the outlaw tree

@potent pivot what do you make of it?

[stoic spruce]

Oh my God I'm high as a kite rn lol

[potent pivot]

you're not wearing some embellishment or enchant?

because idk what to make of it ngl

[cinder elm]

so at 32 sec i reroll with loaded, and the bottom buff, BS turns into a 18 sec buff for some reason

[potent pivot]

i don't see any buffs on you

[outer sky]

no I have no embellishments as outlaw because I cant get them without dropping vers

and they all kinda suck

so not really worth

[potent pivot]

you have a lot of vers

didn't you drop a lot of vers for mast on sin

[outer sky]

yeah but vers is outlaw's best dps stat

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

even in PvE outlaw runs vers

[potent pivot]

all rogue specs run vers in pve homie

[outer sky]

but its like vers>everything else

[stoic spruce]

Run vers into heavy dr

[potent pivot]

well not anymore

[outer sky]

outlaw secondaries are so shit that the flat damage of vers is just the best thing to stat

stack*

[potent pivot]

because now it has to have 25% haste

[outer sky]

I got that covered though

[potent pivot]

naw i meant pve

[outer sky]

I guess I could blacksmith some swords with the stat proc on them

regardless

point is

I have nothing on my gear

to buff my haste

[potent pivot]

yeah

[outer sky]

all I did was vanish for tebs

[potent pivot]

idk why you're getting 12%

[outer sky]

and it went from 16>28%

[potent pivot]

that's really odd to me

don't think anything in the hero talents give it either

[potent pivot]

were there any other players at all hitting the dummy at the time?

maybe some weird shit from someone else?

i doubt it since it happened the same tick you got the TEBS haste

[outer sky]

nope

[potent pivot]

idk, maybe TEBS is bugged

[outer sky]

what do you think is better

1512 vers

while above 80% health

or

1850 vers

with 35% uptime

[potent pivot]

as outlaw prolly the health one honestly

check the uptime after some matches but it will likely have way higher uptime

[outer sky]

so this is bugged

to get the buff you just need to have it in your bags

[potent pivot]

yeah there's been a couple weird bugs like that with embellishments

some of them work in your bags but randomly the buff will fall off too

oh shit outlaw vs sub here we go

damn i caught it late

that's what i'm fucking talking about right there

fuck yeah

[outer sky]

whos streaming that?

[potent pivot]

cdew was the pres

[outer sky]

ah gotcha

there was so much CC in that lobby

like

so much

I'm amazed I went 3-3

because

i'd be CCd on my entire ADR lol

[potent pivot]

how did it feel vs sub

i didn't notice and start watching until round 5

outlaw is definitely looking crazy though

[potent pivot]

can i see the breakdown for that match

[potent pivot]

and the last round specifically if you can

that last round damage was wild

does details let you check individual rounds

[outer sky]

yeah

[potent pivot]

idr

[outer sky]

last round

[potent pivot]

doesn't look like that dps was due to fatebound high rolling

did you have a lot of good rolls or something?

[outer sky]

nah dude its the demo locks pets getting blade flurried

[potent pivot]

oh

can't you turn off damage done to pets on details

or was it only damage from pets that you can turn off

[outer sky]

Dont think so

25.3% of my damage was to his pets

so reduce blade flurry by 25.3%

[potent pivot]

that's still like

700k dps on average

[outer sky]

yeah

[potent pivot]

that's gnarly

[outer sky]

wait no I did the math wrong

its 25.3% of my damage to pets

which is all blade flurry

but BF is only 32.2% of my total damage

so 25.16m was to pets

[potent pivot]

yeah that's still 25% of your total dmg

[outer sky]

so reduce blade flurry damage by 78.6%

and thats what I did to the actual players

[potent pivot]

yea

still like 700k effective dps

[outer sky]

look at these coin proc hits

557k lol

[potent pivot]

yeah

what are dispatches/strikes/ambuches etc looking like

like max hits/avg

[outer sky]

sec

[indigo hill]

This from beta?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[indigo hill]

That makes sense. Was wondering how that damage came out on live. 😄

[potent pivot]

live doesn't have the fatebound dmg

and armor values are also still fucked so

[outer sky]

heres BtE

Ambush

Dispatch

[potent pivot]

pretty decent

[outer sky]

if you get CCd on crackshot it feels SO BAD

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm sure lol

getting CC'd during adr/crackshot prolly both feel ass

[outer sky]

you guys also have to remember that I'm playing without addons so I'm losing a lot of games I should win

like i'm for sure hitting into walls

100000%

[outer sky]

This is a 533k not crit BtE. So if it crit it would have done over 2m damage?

[potent pivot]

it says max crit was 528k no?

[outer sky]

586k max crit

but I got a 533k non crit

[potent pivot]

no idea

imp bte is nerfed in pvp

still should do more though

[outer sky]

yeah so it would have been like a 1.5m hit

sometimes you just randomly one shot someone

[potent pivot]

no

200% dmg just means double dmg

pretty sure anyway?

[outer sky]

is it multiplying off the crit damage or the non crit damage?

[potent pivot]

honestly not sure

ah

the non crit dmg

[outer sky]

so if that BtE had crit it would have been like 1.1m dam

[potent pivot]

i'm kinda fried rn

[outer sky]

you're studying too hard

listen buddy I'm turning 30 on Friday

let me give you some old man advice here ok

[potent pivot]

bro

you're behind me

catch up youngster

[outer sky]

what

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

youre older than 30

[potent pivot]

nope

i just beat you there

[outer sky]

oh you just turned 30

[potent pivot]

i always have some shit on my second monitor while working/doing other shit

[blissful osprey]

bare in mind we only need 2 combo points for full kidney in pvp now

[potent pivot]

discord, streams w/e

[potent pivot]

you what now

[outer sky]

no. its the same in pvp as it was before

[potent pivot]

you're trolling right?

[outer sky]

that change did nothing in pvp

it doesnt exist

kidney functions in pvp the way it did before the change

but yeah, that school thing you're doing. It's all bullshit. It's better to get some sleep and have some fun. I dropped out of college 3 times and every time it was the best decision I ever made. I own my own business now and make more $ than all of those kids I went to school with that got fancy degrees and now work jobs that make them hate their lives

[potent pivot]

school thing?

[outer sky]

Arent you in school

I could have sworn you said you were studying

[potent pivot]

where did you get that idea

naw

[outer sky]

this

[potent pivot]

i just wfh right now and have other side projects

[outer sky]

thats why I thought that

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

it's actually kind of funny now that I'm a semi-successful business owner I realize how much hot air my business professors were blowing during their boring lectures

I took like 6 business classes

not once did they mention how much money you have to set aside to grease up the local politicians

[potent pivot]

all school is, is a business

they just give you a fancy paper that sometimes helps you get certain jobs

[outer sky]

Like I could not do what I do with my business if I didn't have bribe money for the zoning department

0 chance

but they dont tell you that in school

[potent pivot]

l0l

i can't even imagine

[outer sky]

btw this is mastery proc damage

Doesnt look like thats going to be very good

@potent pivot you take float over sting even into melee?

[indigo hill]

Those are the things we learn in practice.

The whole "know a guy" helps allot.

[brazen ravine]

Anyone knows if assa is a good spec for pvp? I never played in pvp and i can imagine that DOTs aren't the best things for OS someone?

[outer sky]

It was crazy good last season. And it's usually decent to very good. But right now on beta it's the worst performing rogue spec and all 3 of them are kind of underwhelming. They're all playable but def need some help

[brazen ravine]

Oooh ok i see thank you
I still don't know what to play between assa and survival since I want to raid, m+ and pvp 🥵

[outer sky]

Well survival is traditionally trash in pve

[brazen ravine]

Yes that's the problem xd
Well anyway I do raids with my guild and I like to be the most geared of them, so I guess as ling as I stay opti I will perform in general even with a Trash spec

[potent pivot]

usually depends on what i'm playing with

if i have someone with good burst on my team i prefer sting at all times

[potent pivot]

i would just pick whatever you enjoy more, rogue always has at least 1 spec that's good

blizzard has been doing pretty frequent tuning as well so i wouldn't expect something that's underperforming on launch day to stay that way

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[potent pivot]

did you ever try some BR

[outer sky]

Yeah

[brazen ravine]

I try to do more IRL than Wow even if that sucks xd

[potent pivot]

i feel like maybe the dmg it does would make up for dropping cto?

[outer sky]

I noticeably missed count the odds

[potent pivot]

mm

[outer sky]

Like with count

Sometime you'll just proc RP just before crackshot

And that's so nice

legit stayed up all night because I'm too excited for this trip to sleep

[potent pivot]

lmao

-# just waiting for next week...

[outer sky]

oh another pvp talent I really like depending on what I'm playing with is Thick as thieves

and with the kidney shot nerf

its 15% dam to your teammate every single kidney

[potent pivot]

i fucking hate dmg buff on tricks mechanics

[outer sky]

outlaw feels like it has the same problem it had last season

lots of damage but for some reason very little pressure

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean outlaw almost never has actual pressure

it's always done consistent dmg

you don't even have an ability like KB that you can use to slam 1m damage

but really if any of outlaw's abilities did that, it would be fucking broken

even if you had to ADR->GS->KS and that KS did a lot of dmg, it'd be busted

but that's also why i prefer sting

[outer sky]

in Season 3 DF I felt like I had pressure as outlaw

[potent pivot]

really?

[outer sky]

yeah

[potent pivot]

i've never felt like that on outlaw idk

[outer sky]

that was before the nerf to BtE

[potent pivot]

like anything that does dmg has pressure to an extent

[outer sky]

and ace

I mean if you get a juicy BtE during crackshot, call that 500k+ the 50% dispatch

thats like

750k

[potent pivot]

i haven't really touched it enough since s1/s2

at least sub is hitting 1m+ evis

it just feels weird that you kinda need blades to land a kill

[outer sky]

yeah I hate that

[potent pivot]

i love that blades is more impactful

but playing for your second blades to win a match is kinda weird

then if they live it you're just kinda biding your time or depending on your team mate's dmg

[outer sky]

700k coin flip

[harsh kiln]

Thats rng if it happens or not?

[outer sky]

yeah but theres bad luck protection built into the hero tree

[harsh kiln]

Aight

[gusty hedge]

@eridian PS hittin. Is that without GSW?

[outer sky]

GSW?

[austere thorn]

Greenskin wickers

Capstone talent to the right

[halcyon timber]

Yeh if coin is disrespecting warlock cultists for 500k+ and dispatchio is doing well then that’s solid. Plus guaranteed 30% increased damage as cosmic on each crit too. Prob around 265k extra on a dispatch for 760k in total (fate intertwined). So as a whole dispatch is dealing 1M + FI for another 30% =1.2-1.3M ?

Thinking as a whole here

Greenskins aka george washington dealing with red coats “should” get some nasty hits too no?

[halcyon timber]

Cold blood talent in tree grants same side continuation, stealth / vanish gives 2 coins, dispatch / envenom as you consecutively flip has 83% chance +5% if not talented into cb . ADR / Deathmark grants both coin flips.

Then reaching 7 stacks another time makes the lucky 7 coin also do another hefty blast as well.

[foggy pebble]

Hi, sorry to bother. i've been playing alittle outlaw in the pre-patch and I'm struggling to actually do any damage, is it a me problem or is the spec still struggling a little without it's hero talents in comparison to some other specs?

[halcyon timber]

Armor is higher atm in preparation to be normalized at 80 for tww. From the Outlaw in here, they seem to be doing ok compared to the first few weeks of prepatch madness

Would have to ask them though

[foggy pebble]

Okay, thank you for getting back to me! I've been really struggling in pre-patch to do anything so it's good to know it'll get better.

[halcyon timber]

Def seen a few slamming

No sweat , don’t worry as this is all being tuned for tww. Prepatch is always crazy nonsense going on so don’t worry man.

[foggy pebble]

Okay! thank you alot ^^ I'l keep trying and seeing how things roll.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah man, it all changes in 9 days and we are off to new cool stuff

[outer sky]

I'm just not sure what would cause a group to want to bring an outlaw rogue over another kind of melee dps

[halcyon timber]

Dunno that’s a game 2 thing

[outer sky]

@potent pivot so just for shits and giggles I played a lobby with Greenskin and the breakdown looked like this

problem is it conflicts with crackshot

you end up wasting a lot of procs

because of ace procs

and also unless you have a pistol shot proc it only generates 1 CP so not worth pressing even with greenskin

[blissful osprey]

so anyone else been having fun in arena today on live

i've never killed so people in the opener at like 2.3k in 2s

crimson tempest absolutely slapping up

This build and sometimes dagger in the dark for ultimate openers is just insane.
Kingsbane doing like over 1m damage in some cases in the opener

does sin have a DR for mastery?

tempted to go dbl blue silken just for these 1 bangs

[versed saffron]

hello friends, which race do you think I should choose for pvp?

[blissful osprey]

nelf

[sick wasp]

for dmg in TWW it should be human

for utility NE most likely

[versed saffron]

Yeah, which one should I choose for TWW? human or NE?

[sick wasp]

are u asking me what u should choose??

bruh

its ur choice,u gonna play it,i cant say you what to play

play wahtever u love

its not a good answer bro..

NE can be better into certain stuff

human should do most dmg

dmg=/=better

[versed saffron]

I'm a new player in assas rogue trying to learn, sorry if I'm asking stupid questions 😦

[sick wasp]

dont call names on urself man

u just need to undertand stuff

its fine dw

[cursive sonnet]

didnt sy it was better, NE requires using meld correctly

[sick wasp]

[cursive sonnet]

Meld = extra vanish/defensive. Human = extra DPS tricket

do you want an extra button with great utility/defense or damage?

[sick wasp]

thats also wrong,u can still play with a pvp trinket+ will to survive

here are the race patchwreck sims https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/races/castingpatchwerk

everything is very close but human has the edge

5t sim https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/races/castingpatchwerk5

[cursive sonnet]

lmao linking patchwork sims in a pvp chat.

[sick wasp]

In all the accumulative secondary racial humans have gains hiigher value the more secondary stats accumulate

hence humans start winning other races in terms of dmg

[jolly sierra]

teldrassil burning didnt made enough w NE, i still see too much NEs in pvp fuck

hope they nerf meld soon

[sick wasp]

meld is kinda broken ngl

[waxen meteor]

Yeah meld is too good

Especially for stealth class

[sick wasp]

u can reset

yeah

very high value

[waxen meteor]

They need to have a horde version of meld

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[waxen meteor]

I don’t want to change my main to alliance

But it’s too hard to refuse meld

[jolly sierra]

damn im sure i would be 2k4 if i would played NE in s4

i was close af

and is still depressing

[waxen meteor]

S4 last weeks is a bit weird to me

I came back from long break

[jolly sierra]

cuz a fkn race makes u everything

[waxen meteor]

Did some games

It seems a mix of real pro and 1800 players in lobbies

[jolly sierra]

ye its weird af

[sick wasp]

the ques were f'd

yup

[waxen meteor]

I feel my impact cannot overweight the real pro nor real noob

[jolly sierra]

sometimes in high rating lobbies u had ppl which magically forgets how to use defensives

then a couple of wintraders

[waxen meteor]

I was playing but I felt I was not really playing

Just like rolling dice for lobby

[jolly sierra]

then a guy which afks for being dumb

or a couple of low rated healers

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[sick wasp]

then the toxic fiesta begins

u meet again

another lobby thrown

[waxen meteor]

Also my MMR increased like 200 after my break

lol

[jolly sierra]

FKN KAZZAK PLAYERS

lol

[waxen meteor]

I might do another NE rogue

I just can’t change main to alliance haha

[jolly sierra]

i have one from remix

so ill play two

this season

[sick wasp]

u got 6 days to blast a rogue to 70 in like couple of hours

[waxen meteor]

I did a Void Elf DK in remix

[halcyon timber]

yeah people are being absolute moaners atm

it's irritating af, we get it that you are upset. Shaddup and fix it.

[waxen meteor]

I have all classes over lv60

[jolly sierra]

i did a worgen warr and put her the s2 elite xmog with a giant sword from CM

[waxen meteor]

Actually only shaman at 60 others all 70

[jolly sierra]

absolute beast

[sick wasp]

i have all rogue races outside cow

[jolly sierra]

moo

[waxen meteor]

Moo

[jolly sierra]

why not moos? too loud?

[sick wasp]

moo

idk i was bored tbh

ild love one

[waxen meteor]

They don’t look rogue

[jolly sierra]

XD

[waxen meteor]

They too big to stealth

[sick wasp]

its good man

WS pog

[jolly sierra]

but the rog trainer was hidden for decades until he revealed

how u cant say that is not stealth lol

[sick wasp]

lolol

[waxen meteor]

Actually I don’t recall rogue trainer lol

I remember where they are

[halcyon timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-gearing-in-the-war-within-early-access-caps-warmode-gearing-changes-345854

[waxen meteor]

But not who they are haha

[halcyon timber]

Good quick article incase you gents didn't see it.

[jolly sierra]

XD

[waxen meteor]

Reading it at lunch soon

[halcyon timber]

hope you are having hibachi for lunch :>

that would be filthy af

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/new-draenei-and-tauren-rogue-trainers-coming-in-10-0-5-330681

[halcyon timber]

freakin love hibachi

Def need to cook and study here in a little bit too. Very hungry.

[jolly sierra]

i need to breakfast

see ya

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I love it too!

[indigo hill]

Are they really new or just better at hiding? 🤔

[jolly sierra]

seems like the second one lol

[indigo hill]

For anyone else bg enemies and plater not working?

[waxen meteor]

do we know yet if we will need any pve items for s1?

[graceful ravine]

how are rogues in war within?

esp for bg blitz

[halcyon timber]

Same w elv on tracking flag carriers . Might be something similar to the keystone change where they can’t use addons to check progress? Could be a private aura hook up that they made to make people actually communicate and find FCs I dunno.

[halcyon timber]

We conduct business as usual and burn down houses after. Nothing crazy to report though.

[stoic spruce]

Ant

[swift smelt]

man, i enjoy the outlaw rotation and playstyle more then assa, does it just not perform as well?

like i’m not a glad pusher

bgb life

[waxen meteor]

do what you like

[swift smelt]

agree, wish it was combat but just curious why it’s not played as much

not managing bleeds is easier to pick up imo

[stoic spruce]

Because it's rarely as good as assa/sub

And assa/sub are easier

Most of the time it's a CC bot

[graceful ravine]

im old and washed up, are rogues still good

[stoic spruce]

All 3 soecs

Specs

[waxen meteor]

tbh outlaw/combat has not been the most popular spec in rogues

but there are seasons outlaw seems to be outperforming others

[swift smelt]

think it’ll matter much in bgb? should still do its role fine

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure, outlaw in bg been like warrior to me

[stoic spruce]

Yeah more of a team fighter

[swift smelt]

hmmm

kk ty gents

[graceful ravine]

anyone played bgb on beta? how is it

[stoic spruce]

I keep reading that as babygirl

[halcyon timber]

Friggin thing will bite you in the veener shnitzel

[stoic spruce]

Teehee

I got that

It's a carpenter ant @graceful ravine just in case you didn't know.

And veneer is a type of wood product

And Eri said veneer schnitzel

[wanton breach]

are you saying an ant cooked this veneer schnitzel?

[halcyon timber]

XD

[stoic spruce]

There's no fuggin way

[halcyon timber]

Btw popo, what kinda bbq?

Like bulgogikorean bbq? 😮

Bad af

[stoic spruce]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xCX9vIkiLqc

[halcyon timber]

LOL

Freakin yeahhh u ever tried bbq hammers

The hale kinda forest hobo honey nonsense was that girl making

[stoic spruce]

Idk but it looks like a syrup

[graceful ravine]

trying to understand context, rogues = ants?

[stoic spruce]

Buddy

There is no context

Just thought I'd let you know

[waxen meteor]

this doesn't sound convincing

[stoic spruce]

Seems you disliked the ant :c

[graceful ravine]

buddy im just tryna figure out what to play for TWW lol

dont care for ants

[waxen meteor]

just go rogue!

[halcyon timber]

Bgs are weird as they don’t pop often. Sat in a 2 hour queue . They have been asking for specific tests though. The boys have been doing shuffle lately though

[waxen meteor]

you can swap spec anyway

[stoic spruce]

Yes you do

[waxen meteor]

i am gonna to deathstalker anyway cause of the vibe!

[graceful ravine]

i hope its not that long 1 month after launch

i quit playing cos queues were just so long and depressing

[halcyon timber]

No sir its just focused testing on beta and alpha

Queues will he fast

Be

[graceful ravine]

1 healer for 7 dps ideally would bring down the queues

vs shuffles, 1 healer for 2 dps

[halcyon timber]

Devs asked for us to test certain stuff out at times so the other things prob weren’t hooked up to test at the time i dunno.

[stoic spruce]

You get faster queues when you queue with a healer

Which is what I'll be doing

[halcyon timber]

Yeah duo queue w a healer friend

[graceful ravine]

cool

rogue it is then

[outer sky]

Every class and spec has DRs for secondary stats. But mastery is so good for assass that it doesn't really matter. My rogue on retail has 113% mastery, unbuffed.

[blissful osprey]

Nice I’m gonna full send mastery for the lols last few weeks of season

Last few weeks of expansion**

[outer sky]

The amount of people that seem to just be okay with the fact that the game is borderline unplayable during prepatches is so weird to me. Like, I'm still paying my sub. The unless they make prepatch free to play it should still be at least somewhat decent quality gameplay

[warped gate]

Yeah, I feel you. If I didn’t pay for my sub for the year, I’d just let it lapse until TWW because PvP is ASS rn.

[broken otter]

That's why they always push the 6 month sub mounts right before the end of expansion content drought season, - lock people in.

At least they give the option of just buying the mount outright for $25 now.

[blissful osprey]

PvP is ass right now? Have you played Assassination today?

It’s giga fun

[spring bough]

fatebound outlaw looks like its going to be nice. leaning towards rocking that as the main for S1 of TWW. plus rated blitz is pretty damn fun too

[stoic spruce]

gamers

I cant crackshot with this pvp ace

its so ass

chatroom

I cant

[outer sky]

I'm gunna try a non crackshot build soon

My biggest complaint is how vanish becomes a dps CD

@potent pivot you around?

[stoic spruce]

im gonna try one now

[warped gate]

Why the fuck do I even log in to this shit?

Only other person I outdamaged was another Outlaw Rogue, and the healers.

[stoic spruce]

putting in some work ngl

[halcyon timber]

Hear ya, same time its all scumbag aoe slappy time nonsense. Still feels that we set the cadence while people are just screwing around deathgripping a kidney shot target that you were going to lay hate into

[halcyon timber]

That looks filthy actually

[stoic spruce]

its pretty nasty ngl

[halcyon timber]

Might be on to something

[spring bough]

is that live? lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

Just dks / casters and dilky shit tbh

[spring bough]

if crackshot aent doing so hot KIR might be good. just focus on keeping all them RTBs buffs up 100% lol

[stoic spruce]

CtO makes that very easy

[halcyon timber]

Cto def procs a couple rtb it seems

[spring bough]

and just be a dispatch machine

[halcyon timber]

Shit is filthy af

[spring bough]

yeah that looks pretty nice. just spamming dispatch lol

[halcyon timber]

Saw an outlaw crush a harry potter kid earlier

[spring bough]

last time i was on beta fatebound was my 2nd overall damage ability and that was before the what 20% buff lol

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw beats the crap out of warlocks it seems

[spring bough]

so that ontop of massive dispatches sounds real nice

[halcyon timber]

Dispatches should be doing serious work w the coin of fate giving it a jump

Resto afk healing is a pain in the butt though and mongos don’t follow up cc or just dr the frick out of all your stuff

[halcyon timber]

I wonder if triple reprimand finish + fate coin hits would break you guys away from crackshot and maybe throw in double cold blood?

[broken otter]

I feel this in my SOUL. Hahaha

[halcyon timber]

Idc what everyone else is doing but we HAVE to be effective man . Idc about padding nonsense and meter maid crap

[broken otter]

I haven't played much pre-patch at all tbf. I'm just talking about the braindead DK gripping my target as soon as I pop CDs haha.

[halcyon timber]

Oh yeah that shit makes me want to mail them my cat’s shit in a goodwill bag

[broken otter]

Lmfao

[halcyon timber]

Same w hunters doing derpy shit.

You blinded a healer
Does he trap? No he fookin sends his dog to bite his pp

[broken otter]

Haha

[warped gate]

Unfortunately.

If I was beta, at least I'd have that hero shit.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah 30% from fate intertwined replicating envenom / dispatch on crits guaranteed is cool

And the coin racking up for a fat hit is sick

[stoic spruce]

I recommend RC but I toom reverb for personal reasons

[halcyon timber]

Reverb is for the hateful hit right? Reprimand isn’t something i gravitate to.

Def play what you like for sure

[potent pivot]

Sup

[potent pivot]

That looks terrible

[outer sky]

Would we still want all that haste as outlaw without playing crackshot?

[stoic spruce]

I swapped to beta and it's doing pretty good with RC

[potent pivot]

I think so yeah

[potent pivot]

I don’t think there’s any shot we don’t play double van and that we play kir

[stoic spruce]

The CtO buff makes KiR extremely easy to play with

I was about to say we probably would still play double van for Uhuh

There is no prob

[potent pivot]

You also play it for Take em

Like I can see an argument for gsw

But kir is trash

[stoic spruce]

You're knocking it before you try it

[potent pivot]

I’m not

[stoic spruce]

Go try it on beta

[outer sky]

I've tried it, it's tradh

Trash*

[stoic spruce]

Skill issue

[potent pivot]

Playing kir in pvp is just bad

[stoic spruce]

Howso

[potent pivot]

How many uses are you getting in an arena match

Hmm?

[stoic spruce]

About 3 or 4

[potent pivot]

Compared to the dmg you get from other talents

It’s just not even close

[stoic spruce]

Like?

[halcyon timber]

All you need is a fat 5 roll no? XD

[stoic spruce]

My rng is godly

[halcyon timber]

So you’re saying there’s a chance

[stoic spruce]

Feels like every 3 dispatches is a CtO proc

[potent pivot]

you're not playing Audacity/HO/TebS

not even crackshot

just GSW/GS

[outer sky]

Holy on

I'll get to the bottom of this

everyone stay calm

don't panic

[halcyon timber]

XD

[outer sky]

see even if running crackshot is more damage on paper

if another build is even somewhat close

it may be better just because

you dont have to worry about getting CCd during crackshot

which is the most troll shit ever

[halcyon timber]

Do it for the BBH

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm not saying crackshot is a 100% take

[stoic spruce]

Also I never once said it was better than a CS build

[potent pivot]

just adding up all the stuff being dropped

[stoic spruce]

Just that there are options mow

Now

[potent pivot]

to play kir

main gauche

[outer sky]

So without crackshot we just BTE on CD I guess

[halcyon timber]

Like in the patriot when he was smoking jits in the woods

[outer sky]

how do we feel about this

Could also drop improved BtE for Swift Slasher

Ace Up your Sleeve is a dead talent without crackshot

so you cant really get to fan the hammer to get to greenskin

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm just trying to tell you, i don't think kir is a valid option in the grand scheme of things

like you can prolly hit your rating goals playing any talents you want

but if we're actually talking about what does the most damage

[halcyon timber]

Not believing in him does the most damage 😦

[outer sky]

Actually

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

XD

[potent pivot]

i believe in popo

[outer sky]

I think with this build

you actually do drop improved BtE

and just never press BtE at all

so you can keep stacking Summarily Dispatched

[potent pivot]

with this aren't you taking sleight over crackshot

[outer sky]

yep

[potent pivot]

that just comes off as bad

ik the point is you're trying to drop cs

but is dropping cs actually going to stop you from getting cc'd during adr

[outer sky]

NGL @potent pivot it felt pretty good

breakdown

you have so much buff uptime

with slight and CTO

and obv with swift slasher my autos are doing giga dam

[potent pivot]

yeah but is dispatch doing that much more dmg worth dropping so much bte dmg

i liked the gsw idea more than this one ngl

and you're not pressing bte at all?

so you're just not getting any of the crit

[outer sky]

yep not pressing it at all

[potent pivot]

that sounds miserable to me

[outer sky]

show the gsw one plz

[potent pivot]

?

didn't you just play it today

i assume you just drop CS for GSW

[outer sky]

oh no that i didnt like

[swift smelt]

i didn’t realize outlaw felt so good

loving it

[potent pivot]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AttractiveBraveElephantTooSpicy-krl9KCxeny_AO_Kt

evis and env doing 500k dmg

meanwhile

bite doing 4m

[potent pivot]

you didn't like 500-700k pistol shots?

the breakdown looks decent at least

i think you're dropping a lot of overall dmg to play summarily dispatched, but the dispatch dmg isn't doing anything crazy

[outer sky]

look at the average

those happened but not often enough

[potent pivot]

yeh

[outer sky]

idk man....

results are results lol

Im having a hard time losing with this build

[potent pivot]

we'll see as the day goes on

not pressing bte means you're just doing less dmg

[outer sky]

well I'm about to get drunk on a boat so my gameplay is soon to tank

[potent pivot]

you're going to be playing wow while drunk on a boat?

[outer sky]

yessir

[potent pivot]

lmao

[outer sky]

so one thing I'll say about this build

I'm vanishing in a lot more IDGAF way

rooted?

Vanish

fuck it who cares

so I'm getting a lot more value out of my control and utility

that is for sure

[halcyon timber]

Don’t let mages see that, they will report you for having fun

[outer sky]

Yeah the fact that I went 5-1 in a lobby with 2 mages

Like

Playing crackshot

Actually feels so oppressive

Because you get punished so hard for using CC during your subterfuge windows

[halcyon timber]

Meanwhile ferals do whatever the fuckle doodle doo they want

[outer sky]

I remember when outlaw was the rogue spec that cared the least about their vanishes

[outer sky]

The upside to this is that they die to air now. As much as I hate cyclone spam gameplay it did make feral a lot squishier

[halcyon timber]

Fuck em

Idc

Done trying to be kind to other classses. Ive had enough of their propaganda and us getting turned to stun bots

[outer sky]

I mean there's definitely a lot of that but

Other classes have their problems for sure lol

With plenty of reasonable complaints

[potent pivot]

i guess some sub bugs got fixed as well

because it's doing a lot worse

[lucid citrus]

that isnt good lol

[halcyon timber]

Working as intended man

[potent pivot]

most of the known bugs were causing it to do less dmg

so idk what the fuck happened

[swift smelt]

making me so happy

[lucid citrus]

what were the bugs?

[potent pivot]

dunno

there's a list of bugs in the Threads of this channel

but most of those are causing less dmg not more

i know one little bug with Deathstalker was you could Evis before your first Strike and that Evis would still eat a stack of your first Marks

that's been fixed

[outer sky]

Maybe sub got nerfed and it just hasn't been data mined yet?

[potent pivot]

they nerfed Darkest Night

from 60% to 19%

LFMNAO

[lucid citrus]

damn 60 to 19?? that is crazy

[halcyon timber]

Jfcs fried chicken

[potent pivot]

yeah probably

[halcyon timber]

Holy hell

[potent pivot]

i haven't seen any posts

[halcyon timber]

Hmm

[potent pivot]

but nahj just showed me

[halcyon timber]

Warlock psyops are running their machines again

Remember only you can start house fires or whatever smokey the bear said

[outer sky]

I wish for once i could choose my spec based on which is best out of 3 good specs instead of which is at least viable out of 3 shit specs

[halcyon timber]

Im all for fairness but don’t do this nonsense and then leave others alone

In no way shape or form is a fuckin cat biting you dealing 4M ok

[potent pivot]

yeah the only hotfixes i see are from yesterday for season of discovery

so there's been no post yet

[halcyon timber]

Or a mage throwing popsicles for 450k+

[outer sky]

Nah it's better this way. I'd rather the game be imbalanced than be balanced around everyone being weak. At least this way I have the option to reroll to a stronger class if I want to

[halcyon timber]

Lots of words i cannot say here but yeah

[outer sky]

That's really not that huge. Outlaw is flipping coins on proc that hit harder than that

[potent pivot]

more changes are still going to happen

even up until season starts and beyond

but nerfing something that isn't broken is stupid

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but the difference is their core abilities do stuff. We have been asking for core having punch for a long time esp after the legion nonsense

[potent pivot]

cheap shot deez

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

XD

bEcUaz u Hab CC u nO cAn HurT Me

[acoustic wharf]

Are the PVP sections of the WoWhead and Icy-Veins actually good on learning rotations for a class?

[halcyon timber]

What in the cinnamon toast fuck is up most the time man

[potent pivot]

i don't know if wowhead even has pvp sections right now

iceyveins is good for getting started

[acoustic wharf]

Gotcha

Ty

[potent pivot]

np

they're doing a launch test on beta tomorrow

[halcyon timber]

Saw that prob going to be in class

Or studying for exam on fri morning

Same time, id rather keep it unknown so i can go oooo xalatath you dirty ook dooker

[gaunt elk]

realistically

how big is nelf

trying to cope myself into not needing it

[potent pivot]

pretty big for assa/outlaw

not as big for sub

[halcyon timber]

People are really still fabricating lies about 8s kidney in pvp

[pseudo fjord]

can i buy previous DF season pvp gear for transmog anywhere? (s2)

[halcyon timber]

Don’t think so man

[potent pivot]

you can buy it after TWW starts i think

but not the elite sets

only the conquest sets

[wintry dew]

[halcyon timber]

XD

[graceful ravine]

easiest spec to lvl to 80?

[wintry dew]

Any that is 70 already

Healer, tank, DPS, doesn't matter

[rotund pumice]

Yeah that darkest night nerf is looking rough AF

[wintry dew]

What nerf

[outer sky]

Yeah what nerf lol

Tbh darkest night is the kind of talent I'd like to see nerfed

If it's really good then it has the propensity to be explained for a cheesy one shot. So to keep that from happening blizzard has to undertund the ability associated with it

[rotund pumice]

60% to 19% bit drastic

[outer sky]

Link?

[rotund pumice]

No announcement but nahj was showing it on beta

[outer sky]

Has the tooltipped changed?

I've only been playing outlaw all day

So no deathstalker

[rotund pumice]

Yeah tooltip changed

[outer sky]

F

Yeah maybe 30% would be a bit more reasonable

[wintry dew]

In pvp only or overall?

[outer sky]

It's not like sub and assa were dominating lol

I hope this gets compensated for

[potent pivot]

this is what i was saying earlier

[potent pivot]

pretty sure just pvp

[halcyon timber]

pvp only

[potent pivot]

nahj only showed the tooltip in arena tho

but i'm sure it is

19% is too weird a number

to not be from a pvp mod

[outer sky]

I'm gunsn give a giga unpopular opinion here

Gunna*

[thorny nova]

Outside of pvp

60%

[outer sky]

I don't like that talent at all

I don't like that entire tree

Because

[potent pivot]

sure but nerfing it that much is ridiculous

[wintry dew]

@thorny nova thank you so much Lis for confirming

[thorny nova]

Ok bye bye #pvp

[outer sky]

As a rogue

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

When we do goes

I like to know how much damage I can expect to do

In those goes

[wintry dew]

Actually same

[outer sky]

ESPECIALLY as sub

And not have to consider random procs and shit that can be a game breaking difference

So ofc I don't want to see us nerfed. But God willing they take this as an opportunity to buff the more calculated damage

[potent pivot]

?

You could entirely calculate darkest night though

[outer sky]

But it's different in the heat of a game

I want to think "okay I have these cooldowns and they have these denfensives"

And if I get more damage than I expect great

But 60%

Because I consumed the last DSM

Is a huge variable

That I don't feel like I can always reliably account for

[potent pivot]

Yeh you just track the Mark

[outer sky]

I do track it and I still feel like it's hard to play around idk

I mean not crazy hard

But I'd rather have something more regular that procs off of a button I press or is added to my baseline abilities

As opposed to "do this, then this 3x, then when you do this, this happens"

Something like

"Your next eviscerate after activating shadow blades deals 40% increased damage"

Is more my tune

Also if anyone is curious

the pvp modifier nerf for darknest night

makes it about 1/3rd the PvE damage

the same is true for fatal intent

800k coin flip lol

[stoic spruce]

Hot

[worthy crag]

The challenge is to line up mark and finality: evis

Also gonna feel pretty awkward from time to time to hold onto having full cp once those two are lined up cuz long time subs are wired to spam finishers during downtime to trigger cdr on dance

[halcyon timber]

Steamed rice bowls w chicken teriyaki are hot too

[outer sky]

When I think hot I think Hent...errr.....anime

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

Harribo gummies

[graceful ravine]

can i transfer honor between characters?

[potent pivot]

yeah

i think they might have it turned off right now like they did with warband banks

they added the capability to do it this reset, and it worked

but i've heard that they have it turned off rn prolly fixing bugs

[graceful ravine]

wheres the option? the mailbox?

[potent pivot]

on your chatacter window

under currencies

click or right click the honor in your currencies tab

iirc

[outer sky]

someone needs to make an addon that numerically quantifies how much of your damage was attributed to stat based procs so that those kinds of things can be effectively compared to other options that do flat damage

[potent pivot]

i don't think this can really be done

if it could it would be an INSANE undertaking

stats do way different things for every spec and even every ability

not sure it's even possible to measure half of the things that you benefit from stats

like sims do a decent job of determining what gear combinations are best right

but to create an in game plug-in that actually reads and spits out the differences you're getting

i don't even think warcraftlogs does anything like that

[outer sky]

Look my guy

[potent pivot]

i'm looking

[outer sky]

We have pictures of Fucking Pluto clearer than my wedding photos

It can be done

[potent pivot]

brother

people were paid to make the things

that take those photos

[outer sky]

Then make it a paid add on fuck it I'll chip in $5

[potent pivot]

90% of wow stuff is made on a volunteer level

[potent pivot]

paid version of details

can you live log pvp combat

like wcl

[outer sky]

Buy once cry once and never have to second guess yourself again

I actually don't know

[potent pivot]

i know there's arenalogs

but its kinda ass i think?

[outer sky]

I have no doubt it is

[potent pivot]

it's only in chinese because that log was from CN server players

sec

it doesn't show much

basically the same shit as Details but it shows gear and talents as well

[outer sky]

am I on Cdews stream again jfc

[potent pivot]

Lemme see

Yep

[outer sky]

lmfao

blizzcon champ

get farmed

[potent pivot]

you finally beat him

fuck yeah

[outer sky]

literally fuck this guy

he talks shit about me on his stream lol

[potent pivot]

he read it on stream

i think he just has a grudge against rogues in general bro

you were just catching strays

which still isn't ok

but yeah

were you like

mid ADR when he gripped you out

the match you were with him and the DH

DH ended up dying not long after

[outer sky]

i think so

[potent pivot]

that was the only thing he said about you that i caught

that you "W'd back in" after his grip

pretty much anyone would W back in if they aren't actually scared of dying at that moment

[outer sky]

If I remember correctly, and I may not, because I'm drunk and sea sick at the same time, I think I had cloak

so I didn't feel the need to play super defensive

esp since we were on the losing end

[potent pivot]

i watched Nahj get gripped earlier today

mid Blades

he W'd right back in too

sometimes grips happen too early

especially when you aren't tracking your dps' major dmg CD like Blades/ADR

(which he isn't)

i genuinely might play healer man

you're not the KT more often than not

you just turret heals and sit in a bunch of CC

[outer sky]

Grips are troll but

nothing is worse than a bad cyclone

also not sure I'd put ADR on the same level as blades

I hardly even think of it as a CD

Mentally I categorize it as a buff I want to maintain as much as possible

[potent pivot]

yeah it's just as outlaw you want to keep pressing abilities for CDR

so like

forced downtime from your own team mate gripping you

feels bad unless it was actually necessary

[outer sky]

bro I feel like I can count on one hand the number of times my healer gripping me has actually saved me lol unless he pre-gripped a bomb or something or gripped me out of range of a chaos bolt

if he can grip then he's not CCd

[potent pivot]

sometimes healers have less healing

[outer sky]

and if he's not CCd and cant keep me up from 20 yards away hows he gunna do it from 5 yards away

[potent pivot]

especially disc priest

[potent pivot]

he's wanting you to line

not be closer to him

[outer sky]

but if he's in LoS to grip me then I'm still in LoS of the enemy team after getting gripped, right?

[potent pivot]

also playing with a DH

he needs to focus more on healing the DH over you

so if you can get a reset from lining it's good

[potent pivot]

yeah he's expecting you to run around the corner to line

[outer sky]

am I fried or did that map not have any LoS

it was ruins, right?

[potent pivot]

like almost any time you get gripped to a pillar/obstacle the healer wants you to line a second

[potent pivot]

that thing in the mid can be used to line

the big rectangular thing

you can line on the corners of it

[outer sky]

you ever been in a situation where you get gripped or even step your healer to line the enemy team and even after waiting like 5 or 10s your health still isn't going up and you start to think "umm...should I just afk here or run back in at low health so my team doesn't get 3v2d?"

[potent pivot]

i would just get a restealth if i could

and then go back in

basically

it's still situationally dependent of course

depends on what healer and dps you're playing with

and what's happening in the match

like if the DH was in turbo danger even with the priest healing solely him, then i'd run back in to peel

but the DH wasn't in turbo danger right then

[outer sky]

I just feel like it's such a crap shoot. Esp in SS with no comms. I'll be like, "okay, nothings happening now, my teammate is dying. Guess I'll go back in." And then I die and the healer goes "why did you go back in a low hp I had a big heal for you in like 2 seconds"

[potent pivot]

priest was just trying to get you out of the damage for a minute so he could catch up on healing

does that make sense

like he would've topped the DH, then you

[outer sky]

I'm also playing blind. I couldn't see his CDs

[potent pivot]

there's a chance it could have changed the way that game went

[outer sky]

a lot of the games I lose on beta are due to lack of information

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean it's beta and you don't have add ons

so it's not like you're playing your best no matter what

i'm just trying to tell you what i know dew's thought process was at that time

because disc right now is very like...

"i have a fuck load of healing" -> "i have some healing" -> "i have no healing"

it kinda rotates on and on like that

[outer sky]

def looks like S1 is gunna be an rdru, pres, rsham meta

[potent pivot]

disc is really good

everyone's saying it's second best healer rn

just have to play around the times it has less healing

[outer sky]

whats 1st?

pres?

[potent pivot]

yeah

pres > disc > rdru/mw/rsham/hpal

[halcyon timber]

Inb4 they buff resto for no reason at all

[potent pivot]

which resto

they already nerfed rdru

[halcyon timber]

Druieddddd

[potent pivot]

they legit just nerfed it

a few days ago

[halcyon timber]

Yeh but they won’t keep it that way

[potent pivot]

but it's still good lol

pray they don't buff it because rdru meta sucks ass