pvp

[potent pivot]

he's just being weird

[rose iris]

me being new to rogue understands even less

[potent pivot]

"now bad rogues can't DR their kidney with their own kidney" type shit

[rose iris]

dok

ty trickz

[potent pivot]

np

[narrow tangle]

nice meme tho

[potent pivot]

i really don't think the nerf is going to make that big of a difference

we still have insane cc

[waxen meteor]

early access is from the premium package of tww right?

sorry i kept asking dumb qustions

oh shoot, didn't follow the news, what was nerfed at kidney?

cd?

[wintry dew]

The most expensive pack afaik

[narrow tangle]

from 20 secs to 30 secs

[wintry dew]

20->30

[potent pivot]

i think it's the second most expensive pack

nope i'm wrong

it is the most expensive pack

[waxen meteor]

ok, let me check what i bought...

been a while..

[waxen meteor]

holy shit, 20s -> 30s?????????????

what the fuck, why?

[wintry dew]

Yeah, that's why the DR memes started

[wintry dew]

They gave a shit ass explanation about it

[waxen meteor]

this is too dumb

[waxen meteor]

cause lowby players cannot play their character?

[wintry dew]

Worse

To be on pair with other classes

Meanwhile cyclone/polymorph remains untouched

[waxen meteor]

ok i got epic

[potent pivot]

ackshually

[waxen meteor]

i hope it's the highest

[plucky escarp]

does the 7 point kidney last 8 seconds in pvp

[potent pivot]

those have cast times so don't need a cool down

[waxen meteor]

pffff

this is so dumb wow

[potent pivot]

absolutely not

[wintry dew]

says the mage casting and walking

[waxen meteor]

like literally brainless

[plucky escarp]

lol i thought so

[potent pivot]

kidney is max 5sec in pvp

[waxen meteor]

you do have 6 sec stun on wold monsters, enjoy

[potent pivot]

no

kidney is 8 seconds now

[waxen meteor]

pfff

what a buff

cc machine at open world map

to kill a crip

30second cd kidney is basically same as ret, isn't it?

[potent pivot]

mhm

[waxen meteor]

ret is 1 min cd, but every finisher reduces the cd

i feel overall it's about 30-40 sec depends on the fight

and it's ranged..

[potent pivot]

we have 2 different stuns

sap, blind, gouge

duel/bomb/disarm

pretty sure we still have the most cc in the game?

[plucky escarp]

SV might have more CC, but rogues have a ton too

I think SV has access to every DR type in the game. Disorient (scare beast lol), Incap (freezing trap, scatter), Stun (pet stun), disarm, root (tar, steel), knock (the new knock up trap), silence (chimaeral), taunt

[halcyon timber]

Dk has what 3 stuns, sleet for aoe disorient , 2 grips , sexual assault grabby hands (pulls you out of bomb), chains of ice root that is physical , , silence through strang

Remorseless winter stun and dragonblast stun and you’re rooted so frequently against a mage they can easily snowdrift stun now . Really debatable about cc as we are doing it to kill and if we have to do silly ass cheap shots we are just delaying it while some ret just me throw hammer durrrrrr

[candid tide]

is there any rogue rn equal or better than whaazz playing?

[wintry dew]

you mean streamers?

[candid tide]

stream or non stream player

[wintry dew]

there are multiple big dogs, you can check rankings in murlok.io

[candid tide]

you think they as good as whaazz?

[wintry dew]

Yes

[candid tide]

Pikafraud

Akroshalolz dang this dude played since tbc

[wintry dew]

you also have shadenox

[plucky escarp]

Honestly how different would it feel for you to play against pikaboo or whaazz? Both would destroy you (and most of us)

[wintry dew]

true and real

but pika would do it in a fun way

with the camera in the end

[plucky escarp]

There isn’t a rogue among us who hasn’t been sullied by a selfie

He even said, “down goes papa bologna” when he killed me after we killed his 2s viewer partner lol

[candid tide]

Raiku said once Pikaboo is more of improvising rogue during plays, a mongoloid rogue who knows how to kill
while Whaazz is more of a controlled calculated player

[plucky escarp]

Whaazz is just the best communicator in arenas imo. He is so fking good at knowing what is going on and telling people quickly.

[candid tide]

yeah his communication is really something idd, notice that during his streams

[plucky escarp]

If you’re playing below idk like 2600 I think they win 99-100 matches. Same with a lot of the top rogue streamers imo

[candid tide]

is Nahj on par with Whaazz?

[plucky escarp]

There all really good and we can learn from them. Idk how to compare these people. I’m just 2400 shuffle and a 2.2k 2/3s. Other people may have opinions but to me they are so much better than me and do destroy me when I play them

Playing Nahj / Aegis in 2s was the most humbling experience of my wow life lol

[candid tide]

its that deep huh

[plucky escarp]

I mean, they are better than me. I wear my baby in a carrier half of the time I play this game tho

[candid tide]

lol

but Pikaboo dont really perform like Whaazz in tourney right

[plucky escarp]

Whaazz has the best team in wow. And at that level it’s not like whaazz is soloing the tourney.

[wintry dew]

Pikaboo is a monster in tourneys as well

thats why he became known

he was like 14/15 (?) when his name started being hot topic

[candid tide]

Chan and Mehhx.... thats just fked really

[wintry dew]

Now i have a question

[candid tide]

but he never won

whaazz won 2x or some alr right

[wintry dew]

pika never won?

[candid tide]

idk did he?

like a big one, blizzcon or some

[wintry dew]

I dont REALLY follow the pvp scene, but i was pretty sure he won stuff

let me check

https://liquipedia.net/worldofwarcraft/Pikaboo/Results

[candid tide]

cool cool he won a bunch of smaller events

still legit

[wintry dew]

but whats this all about btw?

[outer sky]

Yeah he's doing something wrong lol

[candid tide]

idk i was bored i think

i like to compare players

[lime oar]

Pika also doesn’t really give a fuck lol

[plucky escarp]

pretty sure he makes 1000x the amount of money from streaming while cracking claws than he does at any blizzcon event

[lime oar]

I don’t watch much. But when I can pika is far more entertaining. Can’t stand whaazz voice either

[waxen meteor]

it's not really serious professional sport

but nowadays even some serious sports, being a streamer makes more money

[lime oar]

Man is doing something right I mean he’s got a house, gt3 and a GT-R

[waxen meteor]

common in this world, if you become top 0.1% of anything

[indigo hill]

Why can people in pve gear queue for Blitz and constantly die in a few seconds?

[waxen meteor]

cause they like

man this 30 second kidney still bothers me

[wintry dew]

PvP ilevel

In theory, you can pvp in PvE gear, outlaw PvE is pretty much Vers>crit>rest

[indigo hill]

Had a healer in the group with mostly pve gear and she was constantly dying.

[twin burrow]

Tarny you wont even notice it

i will gladly take damage buffs for KS and gouge nerfs.

"nerfs"

[waxen meteor]

i doubt we won't notice the kidney cd difference...

[lime oar]

It lines up better with offensive cd’s though

[waxen meteor]

20 sec just means you can push a small go between the two main go (that offensive cds), 30 sec basically means there are 10 more seconds rogue has to defend each go...

i am not sure if i am over concerned ...

[lime oar]

That’s valid

[waxen meteor]

also the dmg buff in exchange of cd, i hardly believe it's a true statement...

[steel scarab]

Kidney "lining up better with offensive cooldowns" is still a 33% nerf. With a 20 second cooldown, you could still hold kidney to use every 30 seconds. But you no longer can use it 33% more often, as an emergency defensive or to bait trinkets

[waxen meteor]

all dmg buff/nerf is extremely temp

[steel scarab]

It is much, much worse

[waxen meteor]

you get dmg buff/nerf by the general performance... yeah we might get a big dmg buff for kidney cd -10, and gauge -5 or sth
but the dmg buff goes away as soon as anyone cries

[steel scarab]

Anyone saying otherwise is crazy

We could do 5x the damage we had in season 4 and it wouldn't matter, nobody can kill anything if the healer is not disabled

[waxen meteor]

5x dmg is acceptable

jokes aside, i don't see high dmg stay with rogue, will rogue do same dmg like dh before s4 tuning?

reality is rogue will probably never get that dmg, but cd nerf will stay

don't buy those temporary dmg buff as trade off, it never works like that

[steel scarab]

Exactly

[waxen meteor]

---

so tww
rogue gets 30 sec cd kidney that takes 5 cp to do 5 stun, melee range
dh gets 30 sec cd stun that takes no resource to do a 4 stun, semi ranged skill

rogue has additional cheapshot as stun for 4 sec when rogue uses a main cd
dh has additional nova as stun that can go all the way to 5 sec for single person or use as a 3 sec aoe stun

rogue as gauge in melee range
dh has prison doing the same as ranged skill

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[steel scarab]

They're slowly chipping away at class identity

Soon Kidney is going to have the same cooldown as Hammer of Justice

[waxen meteor]

nice, another good time to quit

last time they made every class the same i quit that was mop

now with mop timewalk

they start to do same

[outer sky]

Looks like we got some mild buffs

[waxen meteor]

tbh if we lose our identity, i either quit game again or probably go dh, dh seems getting a legendary

[halcyon timber]

Paladin is 1min w cdr on hoj or did they change that to flat 30 too?

[waxen meteor]

it's 1 min cd, but every finisher reduces the cd

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

[waxen meteor]

in the end it's about 30-40 sec cd

[halcyon timber]

They will smoke you with or without anyway

[waxen meteor]

in current prepatch live, my ret kills everybody

[halcyon timber]

Def gotten popped for 450k several times by a ret

And 760k wailing arrow by a hunter

[waxen meteor]

i see this

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cURxFH_xZ33tvlVbb44xHt3q75fVyYEAc3ga_8Ny0wI/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/GUyMYh6W0AEnPkH.jpg%3Alarge?format=webp&width=1190&height=671

but tbh, if it's 30 sec kidney i probably wont care much about the game

[wise breach]

So I guess we can do a 2pt Kidney for max PvP duration now at least?

[halcyon timber]

Nope

[waxen meteor]

live in a dream

[halcyon timber]

Still the same, only change is foe the pve kids

For*

[wise breach]

Boo

[halcyon timber]

Dunno dc, ill gladly take the damage over being stun bot

[outer sky]

oh shit, they finally put numbers to Fatal Intent

Time to try it out

[halcyon timber]

I thought you were packing to go fish man

[waxen meteor]

that's true, but you know the story

dmg buff never stays

[steel scarab]

Why do tooltips never give percentages? Miss me with that "very high chance to apply" bullshit

[waxen meteor]

cd stays

[steel scarab]

Tell us the %

[outer sky]

I said "next weekend"

Its monday

[waxen meteor]

this weekend -> cincinnati open

[halcyon timber]

Ohhhh gotcha

It was late and i was reading x rays

Attention was split

[jolly sierra]

feesh

[waxen meteor]

btw, is that real dh getting a legendary?

[halcyon timber]

Wouldn’t surprise me

Might as well

[waxen meteor]

lol i was so certain i am gonna drop dh next expac

[outer sky]

did they nerf kidney again?

[halcyon timber]

Probably

Kinda like how they nerfed bhavacackra stun in pvp in ffxiv and never buffed any damage

That’s what all this reminds me of

Or in gw2 how they kept nerfing all the crit damage type stuff and then buffed warriors spin to win 40 yard bladestorm and mesmers

[waxen meteor]

the thing is anything related to dmg is always temp, whenever they find a spec over/under peforming, the easiest and laziest way is to tune dmg

this never chagned and will never change

so even if we do get a dmg buff today in exchange of kidney nerf, it won't stay

as soon as people start to cry we are good (by any chance/reason), the 'dmg buff' will be nerfed

[halcyon timber]

They will nerf it just bc and then say we were doing more tjan intended

[waxen meteor]

and your cd is not gonna be back

yeah

[halcyon timber]

Nope history repeats itself with diarrhea filled hands

[waxen meteor]

until you not only lose the cc bot identity and also do no dmg

[halcyon timber]

Warlock psyop works everytime

[crisp ridge]

wtf are they doing with kidney shot

[waxen meteor]

kidney cd from 20sec ->30sec

[waxen meteor]

welcome home my friend, we are DH now

[crisp ridge]

also the recent change

max kidney is at 3cp?

[outer sky]

It looks like it got nerfed again

[crisp ridge]

that sounds so fun to optimize

[outer sky]

no relax lol

I'm on beta rn

[waxen meteor]

you think we gonna be able to send 3cp kidney?

[outer sky]

either nothing changed in pvp or the tooltip is bugged

i think

[crisp ridge]

im having a hard time reading the notes tbh

[halcyon timber]

OR ... hear me out.. OR they just nerfed it anyway.

[crisp ridge]

3cp = 6seconds

so anything above 3cp is wasted no?

[outer sky]

in pve

[waxen meteor]

on creaps

[outer sky]

guys

[crisp ridge]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[outer sky]

chillll

[crisp ridge]

so nothing changed pvp besides the insane 30s thing?

[outer sky]

I'm about to find out

[crisp ridge]

sick

[waxen meteor]

incorrect, gauge got similar nerf

[outer sky]

This is the tooltip in pve

in pvp it goes back to the old tooltip

[crisp ridge]

wait what they do to gouge

[outer sky]

1s pet CP

[crisp ridge]

nice ty star

[outer sky]

CD increased 20s>25s and duration reduced 4s>3s

[halcyon timber]

Gouge is 25s for 3s duration

and chance to make you punch a hole through drywall bc of ape DK / Warr

[crisp ridge]

wow

blizz dont like us

[atomic adder]

yeah no way im reading that right that we will get a 7 second kidney ios pvp right? Becuse kidney caps at 4CP in pvp but like... 7 seconds?

[waxen meteor]

don't overthink

we are all like aged 40 now

[atomic adder]

but my braiiinnnn

[outer sky]

no

the tooltip changes

[waxen meteor]

i would believe it for 5 seconds when i was 20

[outer sky]

heres the pvp tooltip

nothing changed

everyone go eat a snickers

you're not you when you're hungry

[outer sky]

thats old news

[waxen meteor]

yeah, still new news for some of us 🙂

i am not watching patch notes everyday for not live version

[outer sky]

I need to get into a real SS lobby instead of a skirm to test how potent Fatal Intent is

30k damage per stack could be pretty juiced

its not doing shit in skirms because everyone is just dying in like 10 seconds

[halcyon timber]

I've heard enough, nerf dh.

[outer sky]

what the actual fuck

this is nerfed by like 2/3rds in pvp

[pearl dune]

8 second kidney

Lets goooooo

The complaints on the forums are gonna be delicious

[outer sky]

you are so naive

[steel scarab]

@pearl dune it's 5 seconds. It's 8 in pve

[pearl dune]

Oof

https://tenor.com/view/asuka-langley-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-23141277

[pearl dune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1083874929612693514/D8A8B87F-B859-4B0A-95A5-C2972C5E0566.gif

[halcyon timber]

hale yeh, makes sense.

[jolly sierra]

chat turned weird

[outer sky]

so Fatal Intent is legit useless

411k damage across 6 lobbies

highest hit was 70k

[wintry dew]

isnt it still bugged?

[outer sky]

this is what we waited all this time for

[outer sky]

no

[wintry dew]

oh damn

[jolly sierra]

so its a dead talent?

[halcyon timber]

an extra 411k for doing jacksquat isn't nothing.

wait individual hits ahhhh yeah sheet

thought it was was like sudden demise

[jolly sierra]

XD

[outer sky]

thats 411k across 5 other people for 6 games

[halcyon timber]

it's prob due to multi targeting and other possibilities

well sht in pants and call your neighbor fred

[outer sky]

so that's 14k damage per game per person

[halcyon timber]

friggin a well. yep.

[outer sky]

my lowest auto attack hit harder than that

[halcyon timber]

better than it being dumb doing 4 million out of nowhwere and getting nerfed to hell bc of one talent hijacking the whole kit

[outer sky]

16.4k average non crit

[halcyon timber]

There is probably something not seen / thought about here though

[waxen meteor]

so based on current beta, what spec will we be on

sounds like sin/sub?

[outer sky]

very hard to tell

[halcyon timber]

Probably outlaw again in all honesty

[waxen meteor]

[halcyon timber]

Subtlety and Assassination will get cried about for zero reason literally

[waxen meteor]

nice knowing you all

[halcyon timber]

Devs just have to do the right thing instead of listening to forum propaganda

[waxen meteor]

well

i had hope

[outer sky]

@potent pivot you around?

[halcyon timber]

Not going to doom but it's whatever, just really getting irritated with things lately. Esp after moron classes just blowing stuff up and its literally a-ok. When rogues do it? Its a problem and everyone lets us know it constantly until it gets changed then run it in nonstop. Its dumb and exhausting.

He probably finally went to sleep man

[outer sky]

I just queued into a lobby with 2 frost mages and /afk'd out

life is too short for that shit

[broken otter]

Frost is gonna get nerfed hard.

[outer sky]

what game have you been playing for the last 20 years? It sure ain't WoW

Mages are the poster boy for wow PvP

[broken otter]

No way the current numbers go through for Frost

Beyond a few weeks into season 1

[waxen meteor]

Mage is sort of not so good in DF pvp isn't it? at least compared to previous expacs

[broken otter]

Yeah.

Like Shadowlands Fire, I'm with you

[crisp ridge]

oh is this why my friend is playing frost mage out of no where?

i was like since when do u play mage

[broken otter]

Yeah Frost is stupid broken atm

[crisp ridge]

that makes way too much sense

[broken otter]

Fire is too but it's gonna get nerfed hard tomorrow

[crisp ridge]

whats got fire busted rn?

[broken otter]

Living Bomb

[crisp ridge]

ahh isee

[broken otter]

People doing unhealable AoE damage

On stacked targets

[crisp ridge]

lol

[broken otter]

But tomorrow that ends

[crisp ridge]

that ojn top of flamestrike it was kind of fun

[waxen meteor]

i always like mage

but i can't do mage well

[broken otter]

I'm a Mage main, but Rogue is second close favorite

[waxen meteor]

and i feel myself frustrated playing mage against casters and hunters

i think i did s2 or s3 for mage in df

[crisp ridge]

and dks

[waxen meteor]

it feels autolose against marksman

[crisp ridge]

yea its rough

[broken otter]

Yeah, MM is rough.

[waxen meteor]

and i did try my MM too s2, it felt auto win against mage

even in some high lobbies, there's a chance i kill mage before they block

[broken otter]

I usually get super aggressive vs MM. Get right in their face.

And loose with CD usage

(1v1 not arena)

[waxen meteor]

btw, hunter gets two stuns too

so they literally are getting everybody the same

[outer sky]

this is such a bad argument and mages have been making it for like a year. "I get kinda countered by one class, specifically one spec, so to balance that I need to hard counter every melee spec in the game to the point where even if I waste all of my defensives on getting out of petty CC i'm still not a remotely viable kill target"

Like

what

[waxen meteor]

that was not a complaint

[broken otter]

That's not the argument?

[waxen meteor]

nor an argument

i was just describing my feeling playing mage alt...

it's a bit frustrated when you have some lobbies are like easy mode, and some become hell mode

normally you get into a new alt, you expect some learning curve and you see growth in the lobbies

when i play mage, i feel i am either god or dog

like when i first tried my SP alt, it was hell of a learning curve, and everybody trains me 247, but when i get used to it, i started to perform better and better each lobby, and you get some joy from it, isn't it?
for mage, my experience was more like a lottery...

[potent pivot]

am now, what's good?

[potent pivot]

really don't think you're going to notice it as much as you're thinking at all

[outer sky]

Just thinking, since we cant double dip on internal bleeding with rupture AND kidney shot, do we just leave that node blank and take MA instead?

[waxen meteor]

why do you want to pick MA

[potent pivot]

MA is pretty bad now

unless you're going to play KB and do some sort of tech

[waxen meteor]

i feel it's one of the worst talent now

internal bleed does some dmg, not game changer but seems a good source of dmg

[outer sky]

yeah...

I feel like 30% crit is kinda undertuned

It used to be 50%

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure that IB is also lethal dosed

[outer sky]

and also

MA only lasts 3 seconds

we dont even get it for the full subterfuge

[potent pivot]

[waxen meteor]

3 seconds of 30% crit for 150% dmg

for a dot spec

[potent pivot]

we got another +10% ambush dmg in tuning

also LD got buffed

i'm really leaning towards that shit being better

[waxen meteor]

what is LD

[potent pivot]

lingering darkness

30% nature dmg after deathmark expires

[outer sky]

still seems lackluster compared to SV

[potent pivot]

eh

going to depend

on how much env is actually going

30 seconds is really big

like +15% on shiv is more often

but 30 seconds of +30%

[outer sky]

the way ive always look at it is

"here's a talent you can take if you think you can kill someone with kingsbane in under 30s"

[potent pivot]

looks like rdru got nothing but nerfs

[potent pivot]

i'm just kinda hoping that using it will let you kb/env someone down if you tunnel them as much as you can while it's up

rdru tranq was the only thing buffed

[outer sky]

im trying to test Kingsbane with lingering darkness in skirms but people keep dying before deathmark expires

[potent pivot]

lmaooo

[stoic spruce]

I thank God for not letting blizzard listen to feedback from the forums and discord

Buff crackshot

[outer sky]

yeah no

kingsbane is still trash

it hits for around 1m

with LD

and full bleeds

2 set

trinket

[spring bough]

Be careful out here in rated blitz yall lol. All caps calling for people to move to a base or peel for EFC is apparently is abusive LOL

[potent pivot]

put in a ticket

[spring bough]

It’s crazy. I cleaned up my shit talking didn’t say one bad thing all weekend. Just a bunch of “PEEL FOR EFC” and “FK MID GET BOTH BASES” and I’m chat banned 🤦‍♂️

[outer sky]

I can't believe kingsbane hits for so little even when buffed by 30% with LD

[potent pivot]

maybe it's from older stuff if you were shit talking beforehand

[spring bough]

New account 😂

[potent pivot]

it's basically the same in pve, assa ST isn't as good, but aoe is busted

half ass expecting aoe nerfs

maybe some ST buffs

[outer sky]

idk why

based on the tooltips it should be doing similar dam

% wise

but with a 30% motifier

modifier*

idk whats going on

[potent pivot]

yeah idk

1m sounds better

but before it was doing same as live, that didn't make sense

[outer sky]

thats 1m with LD

on live we dont have LD

so it still is pretty much doing that

maybe like 100k more

[potent pivot]

yeah but on live it's like 400-600k

[outer sky]

I just did a lobby where I played 3 games with KB and 3 games without it and I lost all 3 with it and won all 3 without it

not saying that was the only factor

[potent pivot]

and from what you were posting like a week ago it was still doing the same remember

[outer sky]

yeah without LD it crits for like 650-750k

[potent pivot]

at least that's slightly more than live

but oof

[outer sky]

def not worth it

[potent pivot]

ambush/env/kb are like your only instant dmg to close out a kill

did you try with blindside

ik i'm prolly coping here

[outer sky]

I think into melee heavy teams and teams I'm going to try playing this

esp if their healer is a dragon

im finding it easy to maintain rupture on all 3 if the comp is right

[potent pivot]

what's your uptime on Momentum been like?

just need to see which one has more uptime

[outer sky]

ill tell you after this lobby

[potent pivot]

well FtB uptime is gonna be super comp dependant

Momentum should have a pretty baseline uptime

30% ct dmg does sound good tho

compared to 24% crit dmg

[jolly sierra]

fkn snowflakes

thanks to that we cant spit anymore

[outer sky]

get fucked mage

[outer sky]

between 30 and 40%

he blocked a kidney shot

when we werent even going him

so i was like

"nah fuck it you gotta pay for that"

Trained the living fuck out of him

[halcyon timber]

Its ok forum community council will make sure to get you nerfed for your warcrimes

[spring bough]

That statement right there in BG chat = ban nowadays 😂

[halcyon timber]

Dunno trash talking is useless unless you’re going to physically resolve it

[jolly sierra]

ye but im telling the truth

[halcyon timber]

Too many cool guys being safe behind monitors these days

[potent pivot]

this is the internet

[halcyon timber]

Yeah and people are too comfortable being cruddy

[potent pivot]

yeh some people deserve hardware bans irl

[spring bough]

I grew up in vanilla pvp

Trash talk was just fun lol

It was just the way of wow life back then lol

[halcyon timber]

A broken rib humbles all

[potent pivot]

no irl pvp

[halcyon timber]

Heh

[spring bough]

That may be true. Idk felt like it was fun back in the day. One game you’d win shit talk your rival next game they’d win and give it right back and that was the cycle of wow PvP to race for HWL lol

[halcyon timber]

People are excessive then decide to do childish stuff like get you falsely banned

[spring bough]

Seems like it gets taken too far nowadays and people can’t understand a lil fun competition lol

[broken otter]

Back in vanilla settling scores with duels outside Orgrimmar.

[spring bough]

That was always where it was at lol

[halcyon timber]

I just like to haunt people for a long time in stormwind for retaliation

[broken otter]

Mannoroth had this Undead female rogue named Girlz that would clown on people with no gear except weapons

[halcyon timber]

Just like how TWW launch will be Revenge of the Rogues

[tawdry imp]

I was wondering this

there's a rogue on my realm who kills people afk at the trading post

[halcyon timber]

For constantly gimping us to be “more fair” or whatever dumb rationale is being thrown out

[spring bough]

Bro that’s criminal LOL

[tawdry imp]

I killed him and he switched to an alliance alt to give me the whole "yeah see how big you are when I come back tough guy if you got the balls"

[broken otter]

I gotta get 1800 on my Mage asap in season one, then I'm going Rogue.

[spring bough]

Camping the trading post is psychopathic lol

[tawdry imp]

I can't tell if he just finds saying shit like that fun or he's actually genuinely salty

[halcyon timber]

Good goooddd

[spring bough]

He def does it cause he finds it fun 😂

[tawdry imp]

I hope so

[outer sky]

@potent pivot I dont see FtB on my details auras

[spring bough]

Wish I met that rogue pvping lol

[tawdry imp]

though I can never tell when there's a presumably 30-something year old man sending me messages akin to MEET ME AFTER SKOOL ILL BEAT U UP

[halcyon timber]

Net gunning raids is pretty fun

[potent pivot]

you don't have live logging do you

[halcyon timber]

Or smoke pvers on their raid night for being in warmode

[broken otter]

I remember before DR was a thing in vanilla following people around perma-sheeping them.

I was a little psychopathic 14yo

[halcyon timber]

Nax pvp was fun in wrath

Or fighting in tol barad

Over the jail

[spring bough]

Vanilla PvP as a rogue stun lock killing people was my glory days

[outer sky]

no but I just tried on some training dummies and when I put rupture up 3x it didnt give me any kind of buff

[broken otter]

Tol Barad quest area WPvP was great, the game itself was kinda lame on offense

[outer sky]

and the tooltip didnt change for ST

[spring bough]

Pvping with tier 3 and kings fall and death sting would 2 shot people

[broken otter]

I didn't Rogue until wrath

[halcyon timber]

Deep tram to IF pvp

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

Lol what is that emote

Golden af

[broken otter]

If I get rich in the start of TWW I'm buying my Rogue full t3

[spring bough]

Oh you missed out you’d literally ambush, gouge or something hit a kidney backstab and the people were dead. Sometimes the first ambush would crit for like 2-3k and insta kill clothies lol

[broken otter]

Made like 5-6mil in DF s1 selling green pvp gear but I squandered it

I did main rogue in classic vanilla

[halcyon timber]

They add any ez throw grenades again? I didn’t check out engineering on beta

[broken otter]

I really liked the pacing of ticking energy

[spring bough]

Blinding people in vanilla PvP and they’d be stuck for a whole minute 😂

[broken otter]

Hahaha

[spring bough]

Sap too lol

[halcyon timber]

Auchindoun pvp was great too

[potent pivot]

might be a debuff on target?

[outer sky]

check that, nope it's not

[potent pivot]

idk maybe it's just a passive that doesn't show

but that's odd

[halcyon timber]

Which one? The triple bleed empowers next x use talent?

Its a buff for a single charge i think

[potent pivot]

it's not

[halcyon timber]

Well sheezin

[potent pivot]

it just straight up says +dmg% while 3 or more are afflicted by rupture

[halcyon timber]

Might be thinking about the black powder talent

[outer sky]

82,345

[halcyon timber]

Maybe a bug or it broke in thr build?

[potent pivot]

it is the black powder talent

[outer sky]

77,343

[halcyon timber]

Ahh mk

[outer sky]

ok

when I have 3 ruptures up

my FoK tooltip changes from 77,343 to 82,345

[potent pivot]

that's bad

[outer sky]

that's a 6.46% buff

it's supposed to be 30%

[potent pivot]

press shiny bug report button

[outer sky]

Already did

[potent pivot]

what about CT

[outer sky]

goes from 1.4m at 6cp to 1.5m at 6cp

and honestly

I think that's just scent

yeah

its scent

the talent isnt doing anything

[potent pivot]

you could check your cast dmg

on details

just in case

since you're not getting a buff on you, your tooltip might not be changing

[halcyon timber]

They reverted the buffs they gave to discipline for the abyssal revelry nerfs? Yeah we are counting our days too. Makes no sense .

[potent pivot]

but maybe it still works for some odd fucking reason

[potent pivot]

the only thing they did was unnerf disc

[halcyon timber]

That’s just a slash through a 5 no? Cant tell on my phone if that is -5

[potent pivot]

from -5 to 0

[halcyon timber]

Ok so it is a -5

Small phone w small screen

[potent pivot]

yeah it's hard to tell even on pc

[halcyon timber]

No mobility or cc then they need to make atonement pull its weight

[potent pivot]

yeah i don't think priest is in a good spot in general

[halcyon timber]

Wonder why thr buff to tranq?

Raid thing ig

[potent pivot]

who knows

kinda glad they got some nerfs

we really don't need any more rdru meta

[halcyon timber]

Resto is dumb

[potent pivot]

i like rdru

i just don't like when it's the best healer

[halcyon timber]

Fistweaving was too effective too

[potent pivot]

if we don't see pres nerfs

get ready for some shit

[halcyon timber]

Yeah by all means keep everything good, just don’t make crap busted

[outer sky]

I love when FW is good

they aways play with melee cleaves

[halcyon timber]

Yeah tokyo drift healer fly by

[outer sky]

all 3 nice and stacked

[halcyon timber]

Curious as to why pres is being favored

[potent pivot]

pres is doing insane dmg

dps levels of dmg

one shotting

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but discipline whos job is to crank isn’t allowed

[potent pivot]

yeah idk

design choices as a whole have been really weird

only thing i'm happy with in that there's been more consistent tuning

still kinda falls short of the mark though

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

Being too careful with some and clearly overbuffing others

[potent pivot]

yep

[outer sky]

nothing feels crazy overtuned on beta rn

[potent pivot]

don't think they have enough people on whatever pvp team they have

[potent pivot]

i think you have to see the right players on the classes

cdew on pres just one shots someone every other match

it's disgustingly broken

[outer sky]

i mean I've played with and against kavish, Nahj, Cvark, Pika, Drainer, Cdew, Partywaffles, and Venruki several times

If those aren't the "right players"

idk who would be

[potent pivot]

cdew on pres?

[outer sky]

no Priest

[potent pivot]

yeah priest is ass

[outer sky]

i mean maybe on pres idk his name

[halcyon timber]

Priests werent smoking the raid but were nerfed several times

[outer sky]

only thing that's screaming "NERF ME!" is frost mage

[halcyon timber]

And dh out of principle

[outer sky]

ofc

[halcyon timber]

Demolish getting slapped was wise

Prob will get reverted though

[potent pivot]

"Samibad"

[potent pivot]

not sure if that was the actual pika

dunno if he's touched beta with a 10ft pole

[outer sky]

he has

Look at WW tier LOL

[surreal barn]

DH done , 2hrs15mins

I can see the appeal. Zoom zoom

[potent pivot]

i agree w/ frost mage

[outer sky]

WW needs a massive buff

the tier set is absolute garbage

even if they unnerf it in pvp it wont be played

[spring bough]

That sounds so poop

[potent pivot]

pvpers are weird and don't run tier even when it's good

[spring bough]

7% of the damage for AOE lol

That’s gonna tickle

[halcyon timber]

Hale yeh bruver

[outer sky]

even if you fully spec into tiger palm damage it only hits at most for like 350k and thats with every CD and proc

so nobody is speccing into TP damage because of that

[spring bough]

Yeah that’s so bad

[jolly sierra]

dude now wow classic players are ironically bad and oversensitive, i recalled a lot of them backpedalling w full pvp gear and threatening w report when they read something they doesnt like in world chat

[outer sky]

which makes 4 set entirely useless

[potent pivot]

things i think need buffs: healing priest, arms, enh sham, fire mage

things i think need nerfs: frost mage, presvoker, possibly ele/dk

[outer sky]

and 2 set is a 0.25% dps increase

[outer sky]

assa rogue needs a buff

[spring bough]

The outlaw set seemed kinda meh

Is that doing numbers or nah

[potent pivot]

you're joking right

[jolly sierra]

bring back old pvp set bonuses

[outer sky]

no

[halcyon timber]

Best they can do is nerf us and buff only the strongest of those man

[outer sky]

We need a button to press to secure a kill

[potent pivot]

if anything assa is more likely to receive a nerf than a buff

realistically speaking

but that speculation is pointless

i agree with what you're saying don't get me wrong

but i have tempered expectations based on what i'm seeing

[outer sky]

right now to do a ton of damage you have to chain vanishes and meld every silence DR or when your big garrotes fall off to maintain fully spread bleeds. Once you run out of ways to to get into stealth your pressure lets up substantially which will be even worse in real 3v3 because of the lower dampening. Add to that the fact that assa doesnt have a single button to help secure a kill and what we have is a massively undertuned spec. Either buff kingsbane by 50% or buff all assa damage by another 20% is my suggestion.

[potent pivot]

that really comes off as the most biased take i've read from you man

[outer sky]

and for the love of God dont nerf fatal intent in pvp to the point of irrelevance

[outer sky]

Oh I'm fully aware I'm biased

[potent pivot]

lmao

ok good

a 20% aura buff there's no shot

[potent pivot]

if they had any idea what they were doing they'd put pvp aura BUFFS on ambush/envenom

[outer sky]

but the grain of truth is what I said about pressure letting up once you can no longer spread big garrotes. you're just running around trying to keep ruptures on people. And coupling that with no big dam button def feels really bad

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean we're basically a melee aff lock

that has to work way harder than an aff lock for our upkeep AND be in melee

[outer sky]

actually aff has a 2.5m damage haunt combo now they can use to actually kill someone

[potent pivot]

i don't mean like aff lock right now

aff lock typically

or maybe older aff lock is just in my brain from when i played it

[outer sky]

yeah, melee affi lock that has to work a lot harder to maintain the spread pressure

[potent pivot]

last time i played aff was in SL

[outer sky]

and since we're squishy we have to run away a lot which means inevitably our bleeds will fall off

so then you have to go back in when you have 0 pressure just to get ruptures and garrotes on everyone

which takes a while because of garrotes CD and needing to build CPs for ruptures

not to mention the mobility required to spread it

and even then the damage is lackluster

[halcyon timber]

Random empowered shadowbolts from soul harvester i think (shared with destro) hits hard as fk

[potent pivot]

have you posted any feedback on the feedback forum

[outer sky]

any time you suggest doing anything with rogues on the forums aside from deleting them from the game you get trolled

[potent pivot]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-rogues/1870413

[potent pivot]

this is a forum specifically for rogue discussion

there's no trolling

[outer sky]

The only suggestion I've made on the forums is to make it so that deathstalker's mark cannot be reapplied until the current one has been fully consumed and to instead tie it to empowered garrotes from stealth instead of to ambush

[potent pivot]

if you make a detailed post like this - without any numbers attached to it, idk

[outer sky]

I will tonight

Those class feedback forums though

are heavily PvE centric

[potent pivot]

yeah because there's 10x more pve players

there's still a decent amount of pvp posts

[outer sky]

yes, I wish they'd further segregate the forums to include class specific feedback for pve and pvp

[outer sky]

@potent pivot https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/assa-rogue-feedback-for-pvp-on-beta/1917418

[potent pivot]

🔥

[idle sundial]

If I q as sub and lose a bunch of games, does it mess with my assass MMR? First time pvping lol

[potent pivot]

Did a good job at getting your point across I think

[potent pivot]

Depends on which bracket you’re queuing

For shuffle i don’t think so

[idle sundial]

Ooo makes sense, this is primarily BGB and solo shuffle

[broken otter]

BGB is spec specific MMR like Solo Shuffle, I think.

[broken otter]

Solid post. Bookmarked it. So, I can keep checking back.

[halcyon timber]

Just supported as well.

[hidden moth]

Kidneyshot 8 sec is huge W

[lucid citrus]

got to remind people lol

[hidden moth]

WTF

[outer sky]

You thought they'd give us an 8s kidney shot in pvp 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

They treat us better than shamans and DKs but we're not mages or DHs

We don't get the royal treatment

[wintry dew]

[potent pivot]

DH getting royal treatment? this is propaganda

mages and locks on the other hand ...

[wintry dew]

I swear im not giving anyone my treatment

[jolly sierra]

persona 5 royal was named after royal

[wintry dew]

Ikr!

(Tbf my full nickname is "Royalflux")

[jolly sierra]

i know i have u in BT lol

[wintry dew]

hehehe but trickz doesnt, i had to explain :3

[jolly sierra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

yeye

lol

[hidden moth]

Bruuh i just woke up and saw the changes hahaha

[halcyon timber]

Welcome to the future

[potent pivot]

frost mage nerfs just dropped btw

[outer sky]

WHAT

Link please

[potent pivot]

they're small

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-hotfixes-on-war-within-beta-august-12th-part-4-demon-hunter-345823

barrier nerfs

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

didnt know people look at those

xD

but fair game

[potent pivot]

well the fuckin better

otherwise they won't see our cool mini myspace pages

[wintry dew]

xD

[halcyon timber]

Good ol myspace

[outer sky]

This is the equivilent of slapping a 5% nerf on vial

[halcyon timber]

3 shields for mages technically no? Mass barrier double dip into any of that? I don’t speak mage but was jw

[halcyon timber]

Lol

[potent pivot]

i think it's slightly more than that lol

but yeh not big

literally the entire pvp community is trolling and thinking kidney is 8s in pvp now

i don't get it

[foggy quest]

I'm sure this has been asked a billion times but why do I keep randomly dropping stealth in bg's even when there is no one around

[halcyon timber]

Bc of random bugs with both friendly and enemy abilities

[foggy quest]

oh so it's actually just broken

[halcyon timber]

Yes sir

[foggy quest]

that is disheartening

[halcyon timber]

Yep, we adapt as always

Sucks but /shrug

Shields from friendlies aren’t keeping us stealthed either. That’s probably on purpose as well.

[foggy quest]

I'm okay with that, but the just randomly dropping because I got devo aura or something grinds my gears

[waxen meteor]

yeah those are so bad

[halcyon timber]

Yeah pom / crystalline reflection heals , and monk shields seem to break stealth

Druid bouncing gnats do sometimes as well

[potent pivot]

i really dislike how they keep editing the tuning posts after the fact

now there's brm and outlaw tuning on that post from earlier

[waxen meteor]

Subtlety:
After Shadow Blades expires, gain 30 sec of 20%30% increased Shadow damage.

[waxen meteor]

it looks like shadow rupture can be back to sub

[potent pivot]

it's been back

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAY2mZmlpB2MGGjxMzMzMzMmtZZGjlthZYmxYMzyYAAAAYGGsYWGYALglhJkZhxA

is what most are using on beta

[waxen meteor]

haha

yeah i think wowhead doesn't have the 8 sec does not apply on pvp part

[potent pivot]

why are we sharing this out of context picture

[halcyon timber]

Bad journalism for clicks

[waxen meteor]

this is literally on wowhead

i freshly took it

[potent pivot]

that picture has been shared in every class discord

or the same type of picture w/e

[waxen meteor]

wowhead cooks it

[potent pivot]

that's just raw data mining shit

[broken otter]

Yeah, like wtf is that shit? Lol.

[potent pivot]

there's actual proper information on wowhead outside of that

[waxen meteor]

dead company anyway

professionizm doesn't exsit

[potent pivot]

yeah i peeped you in the magician discord

[broken otter]

Like when I was 16 and made a WoW addon then published like 20 updates in 2 days, each one fixing a minor bug.

[potent pivot]

spreadin' and propagatin' propaganda with cvarks

[broken otter]

Hahahaha

Tbf, I corrected it as soon as I came here and got the real deetz

[potent pivot]

yeah i saw

[waxen meteor]

alright 10 days to wait

[potent pivot]

tarny been doomin' in the fel hammer

[waxen meteor]

was i?

[potent pivot]

😈

[broken otter]

Lol

[waxen meteor]

[potent pivot]

i really don't think the nerf is going to be that bad on sub

[waxen meteor]

sub is prbly fine, or at least better than sin, anyway get access to cs

[potent pivot]

sin is in a kinda weird spot

[waxen meteor]

i think it forces us to use vanish a bit aggressively

[potent pivot]

it does pretty good dmg

[waxen meteor]

or you are NE

[potent pivot]

just not enough effective execution dmg

as sin you basically have to be nelf

[waxen meteor]

yeah but i want to be a horde

[potent pivot]

sub can play orc/human/nelf

[waxen meteor]

Tyrande speaks in a way that makes me sick..

[potent pivot]

tf is tyland

some RP character npc?

[waxen meteor]

Tyrande

[potent pivot]

i keep all that rp stuff turned off

[waxen meteor]

but she kept talking in story modes

[potent pivot]

no chat bubbles, no npc text in chat, no sound, no talking heads

AYO @outer sky

real frost mage nerfs are in

[outer sky]

??????????????????????????????????????????

send it

[potent pivot]

same link from earlier

they just edited the post with more data mining

[outer sky]

so they nerfed their damage but not their mobility

[potent pivot]

idk if those are worth a fuck

[outer sky]

wtf is wrong with blizzard

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty doubtful their mobility gets nerfed

ngl

[outer sky]

thats all that matters

even if they do 10 dps

theyll kill you before you kill them

since theyre untouchable

[potent pivot]

are they playing shimmer over blink stun or something

[outer sky]

it doesnt matter

if you're rooted or slowed by 90% the whole game

remove blink completely and theyre still overtuned

just rp walk away while you sit a root

that they didnt even press

[potent pivot]

what if you just ignore them a bit more than usual

besides like step->cc step->kick shit

[outer sky]

it would be hard to ignore them more than usual

the way theyre designed you're kinda forced to play the game as if its a 3v2 knowing that it isnt

you cant do anything about them

they sit and cast outside of step range

and youll never connect for more than a global at the cost of all your mobility

so may as well just pretend they dont exist until you get one shit by an ice lance combo wombo

That's literally how I've conditioned myself to play against frost mages now

by just ignoring them the entire game because it does no good to do otherwise

[potent pivot]

whenever i'm watching sub i don't see them have that much trouble with it

don't get why assa would be any different though other than strike tele

[potent pivot]

i think ww got a small buff too

they buffed their mastery

SoO and WoO as well

[outer sky]

can you link me to the post about the mage barrier nerfs? I dont see it on that link

[potent pivot]

it's the same link you just scroll down further

there's 2 mage sections

gotta go to Part 3

it's the same post with the Deathstalker's buffs as well

no wonder people are asking about 8 second kidney

[outer sky]

I just told a mage main friend of mine about these nerfs and he says "oh thank God you're trolling me"

he said if I never mentioned it he'd never have noticed

with how insignificant they are

[potent pivot]

i mean

it's a 50% nerf to their sheild absorb under 50% health

for the spellslinger tree talent

[outer sky]

i dont understad these WW buffs

we dont have anima powers anymore

or covenant abilities

[potent pivot]

40% nerf on this is kinda nothing burger tho i agree

[potent pivot]

ww mastery got buffed

and RSK

[outer sky]

LOL

blizzard lmfao

Brewmaster has WoO

they buffed that

its meaningless

[potent pivot]

yeah i was looking in the ww disc

[outer sky]

okay so we got 2% increased mastery

and 3% RSK

[potent pivot]

for a spec everyone already said was doing well

outlaw mastery buff is kinda cool ig

[jolly sierra]

i would ask for a summary for day 0 tho

after all the fixes and shit

[outer sky]

can you link this actual video. I cant find it

[potent pivot]

sure lemme find it rq

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tbVdh_LW4

it's his latest vid

the pic just looks diff on his channel

the thumbnail or w/e

[outer sky]

ty

gunna watch this now

[indigo hill]

Ww is back? It's been good for like 2 seasons. 😂

[potent pivot]

what do you think about the last frost nerf bit

the free ice nova nerf

kind of another nothing burger

[tired crypt]

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

The monks have a thing or two to say about this lol

[potent pivot]

yeah stuff like that happens sometimes with content creators just wanting to put vids out

creates misinformation

[tired crypt]

[stoic spruce]

My favorite kind of information

[wanton breach]

i mean the knockup in the air is probably one of the most annoying forms of CC

[ocean silo]

Noob question: does DR timer start the moment I CC someone, or after the CC ends?

[potent pivot]

after the cc effect ends

[ocean silo]

thanks! in arena do you glance at nameplate DRs or arena frame DRs? which is better?

[potent pivot]

if you check the links at the bottom of the pins, there's a CC DR page linked there

[potent pivot]

no one can really tell you what's better, as it's up to personal preference. for me personally and for most of the players i know/watch, they use arena frame DR trackers like Gladius etc

i only know a couple of people who specifically use nameplate DR trackers

[ocean silo]

okay thanks I appreciate it

[potent pivot]

personally i like it on gladius because i've already got DoTs/CC/certain enemy buffs on nameplates

so it'd just be too cluttered for my set up

[ocean silo]

Is there a way to change the font on DR of gladius to match yellow and red with DRs?

the color font*

[potent pivot]

i don't remember if that's in the settings or not

i think it does it by default?

[ocean silo]

Okay I'll test it out again

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-meme-eww-gif-eww-brother-eww-eww-brother-gif-4303100356772739930

having the same info on UI more than once triggers me

[surreal barn]

So true. I think having them both up is fine as long as you notice which one you look at more often and delete the other later

[potent pivot]

i've seen too many UIs have information repeated 4-6+ times in vod reviews

that kinda stuff has gotta ruin awareness more than it helps

[steel scarab]

I used Diminish and loved it, an absolute shame it's going away

[surreal barn]

Kinda surprised more addons hasn’t been baked in sooner

[potent pivot]

It’s not

Someone else has started doing Diminish updates

[steel scarab]

Oh man, that is great news

Bless that human

[potent pivot]

Yeah if you look up diminish on curseforge you should find one called “diminish fix by xx”

Think it’s working for prepatch, but waiting until after TWW launch to update it for TWW

[steel scarab]

So uninstall diminish and get that then?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[surreal barn]

The name Powerchair was avail on Tich for my pally 😂

Gotta rep the wheelchair class aesthetic

[grave basin]

got a good chuckle outa me ngl

have you guys decided on what to focus on week 1

i think im gonna go the 4 agi leather specs

whateverfotmrogue spec, feral,ww and dh

[waxen meteor]

week1 is always rogue!

i probably will do only 1 alt tww s1

i was planning to do priest but now it looks like dh is getting a legendary, so alt might be dh again

[grave basin]

huh?>

where did it get leaked that dh might be getting a leggo

[waxen meteor]

not sure at all, but i saw in dh channel

[plucky escarp]

Has anyone done the solo shuffle war games? I have 6-10 friends who are playing right now and I think it would be really fun but I have no idea how to get it started. Does it matter if we are cross faction?

[gusty hedge]

wait you can do solo shuffle war games ? first time hearing of this!

[plucky escarp]

Yeah I know it’s a thing but the barrier is having 6 friends that play wow lol

[gusty hedge]

ahh shit lmaoo,

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-i-dont-have-friends-ive-just-got-one-benedict-cumberbatch-sherlocked-sherlock-holmes-gif-7521745

[plucky escarp]

I have a crew I’ve played with for a couple years, and we LFG’d another dude who had a crew as well.

[gusty hedge]

if u find out how to get started tag me , would like to see if any of the raid runners in guild would tap in

Crew Vs Crew aye that sounds like some good times. hut the underbelly and get wargames going

[waxen meteor]

My guild held an event to have all guildies in different solo shuffles

I am not sure how they did it, but it was really nice

[plucky escarp]

Yeah I see these is a “wargames helper” addon and it looks similar to what I’ve seen on streams of different tournaments

Maybe they used that, but if you confirmed that would be super helpful for me. I’m current in process of pressuring all my friends to do this lol

[dapper chasm]

I came to say that I read some of the UI questions here and I have all the answers

[wanton sorrel]

What race yall gonna play?

[dapper chasm]

But I don't frequent this discord anymore, so... Good luck

👍

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-gif-25117465

[waxen meteor]

practical stand point, it supposed to be NE

[steel scarab]

I play human, like a true Chad

Look at this absolute unit

[round willow]

[waxen meteor]

whats the update today even about

do we have anything new this week?

[jolly sierra]

the most boring race in wow overall

with all the chances u chose to be human and go like that again like irl lol

[steel scarab]

I literally look like my character irl lol

[jolly sierra]

see

u could be the biggest guy in ur group and feel strong af

[plucky escarp]

All non-Nelf races are deeply unserious.

[jolly sierra]

but idk being human in a game is a lot of fantasy loss

[jolly sierra]

disable racials for pvp

[steel scarab]

Same energy

I just need giant purple shoulderpads

[jolly sierra]

pick some berries and mash them in some cosplayer shoulder pads

[surreal barn]

What are we playing here

[jolly sierra]

seems like magic

dont think is pokemon cuz is aimed for a very young audience neither ygo cuz never reacted to us when we talked about that lol

https://tenor.com/view/g5-games-sherlock-hidden-cases-sherlock-holmes-sherlock-reaction-gif-5868682983672703770

[potent pivot]

👋

[potent pivot]

If you’re playing sub you can play orc/human

[jolly sierra]

orc was a very viable choice in SL

assa sadly is the one tied the most to NE xd

[steel scarab]

EDH, aka Commander!

[steel scarab]

You are right, it's Magic!

[surreal barn]

OG pvp

I have wanted to learn

[steel scarab]

It's very fun, and a lot less expensive than it used to be thanks to the endless reprints bringing down card costs. Unless, of course, you love fancy art / foils, then it can still be pretty expensive

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-henning-oooh-aaah-wow-gif-6077591

[jolly sierra]

i rlly wish to have the chaos confetti being legal

is hilarious af

[steel scarab]

That is a silly card!

[jolly sierra]

like having a lot of printed copies and just show ur original one and then proceed to torn down one of them

hahaha

[steel scarab]

I don't own any of these, but very funny card